EXCLUSIVE | Jay-Z EXPOSED Years Ago by Reporter Liz Crokin | Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, & more!

All right, so listen, listen, before we even get into what we need to get into, all right, so we got, we got, we got my husband going across the street to get a special bottle of wine because we got a special guest in a wine cellar. I guess somebody like you, like, it is, I was just like, she does not, you haven't done interviews in so long. And when you do do interviews, it's not, it's like, I'm like, there's so much that people could be talking to you about and they don't, you know? And I just told you before the interview started that you walked so I could run. Like, real talk. 'Cause people compare me to Wendy and I'm like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Uh-uh. Liz Corkin.

Aw, that's so sweet. I appreciate that. Well, thank you so much for having me.

Anytime. And like I said, Shout out to Angela Statton.

Yes.

Okay, um, Angela Statton did put together this interview. She said you do not do interviews really with anybody.

Yeah.

And, um, I'm glad that she dropped my name. I'm glad that you, you know, you did your research on me and that you're here today. And I'm telling you, the winos are going to show mad love to you. You have no idea.

Okay, I appreciate that. Well, I'm happy to be here.

So we're gonna get some wine for her. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it nice. Nice. Now listen, Not like you have been doing what I do legally because I'm not even certified like to do. I'm a news personality, right? You know, comedian, all that stuff. But you are an actual journalist, right? You've been in Hollywood's ass.

Yeah.

For more than 20 years. Yeah. When I tell you there's, there's no stone that hasn't been uncovered by you.

Right.

And they have. I've learned so much about you just in the last few minutes of talking to you because there's a lot of stuff on the internet that I cannot find. Like I'm talking to you about my legal battles that I go through with Hollywood, with Hollywood's elite, and you have surprisingly gone through the same thing. You said they have tried to destroy your life when you were working for columns like, um, US Weekly, Star Magazine, US Weekly. Yeah, I always say US Weekly.

Most people do. Most people still have no idea. Even people that work for US Weekly still call it US Weekly.

Star Magazine, National Enquirer, the Chicago Tribune. You were the gossip column that people read every day, right? Or heard from, okay? Everybody called you when they needed tips or they needed to get to certain sources. And, you know, I'm gonna name drop just a little bit just to kind of get them in, right, you know, to this interview and what this is going to be about. But like, you just caused a stir on the internet surrounding Jay-Z. You were the last journalist that Kathy White, his alleged mistress, spoke to and was going to do a tell-all to before—

possibly, possibly. Fully committed yet, but she was considering it. And she implied that she was strongly considering it when we last talked on the phone.

Okay, a very healthy, athletic woman.

Yes.

Okay, she was a business owner. She, she ran like a PR firm. She was college educated, right? So she wasn't like some type of jump-off, like she was an educated— was she Black, Blasian?

I'm not sure if she was a mix. I'm not sure.

Okay. She was very beautiful, but she was the alleged mistress. And I have to say alleged because I wasn't there, to Jay-Z. And then, you know, I covered the story recently here because I got into it with one of her, I guess, alleged best friends, Claudia Jordan, who has since denied knowing Kathy White. But— Oh yeah. Oh my God. Listen.

Wait, wait, wait.

Claudia came for my neck. Claudia Jordan.

Now she's denying that she ever knew her.

She's saying she's only met her a handful of times, but they were not best friends. They happened to be in the same place, but they weren't close at all. Now let me tell you, I had dinner with Claudia Jordan and her friends, okay? I didn't even ask Claudia about this information. She said I was friends, best friends with Jay-Z's alleged mistress. She just said it. I'm like, I had no— like, I'm meeting her for the first time. Yes, we've had conversations back and forth through the DM and on the phone. But coming to a dinner with somebody and you just tell somebody like Latasha Kebe that information, what the fuck you doing? You know what I'm saying? And so I didn't come out and just spill it, but it was when you, when the Diddy allegations resurfaced. Well, now they're in stone. They're in stone. The feds are definitely looking into bringing a case against Diddy. All this you spoke of, you know, now she, you said, hey, listen, It's not just Diddy, it's Jay-Z. You brought up Kathy White again. Claudia Jordan being— and Kathy White speaking to you saying that she was friends with Claudia Jordan. Claudia's— I'm like, why are you coming for my neck? It's Liz online.

Are you saying that she initially said that she was good friends with her and now she's backpedaling it?

She was associates, but they weren't that close, is what Claudia is saying. I've only met her a handful of times. We weren't friends like that. Less than a year. I think she said 9 months.

Okay, sure, whatever. I mean, listen, I wasn't investigating her friendship with Claudia Jordan, and I've never met Claudia, but from what I've heard going back years, like, they were pretty good friends.

So they're, they're in pictures. Yeah, they're in pictures. It's called dissociation. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, pictures of her sitting on Diddy's lap, but she's out online calling Diddy out for the things that he did. It's like, what are you doing sitting on Diddy's lap?

Yeah.

If you knew all of this stuff and all of these people that were around Diddy was your friend, why are you sitting on Diddy's lap?

Right.

You know? And so she's, she has decided to, oh, I'm not friends with Tasha. We were never friends. Stop it. You know, we had conversations back and forth as media personalities. Like you don't have a degree in this. You didn't go to school for journalism. You don't get, you know, you don't do the thorough research like a real journalist does. Like you do.

She said that to you? Yeah.

Oh my God, like, you have no idea.

Like, that's very interesting. Yeah, that sounds like gaslighting to me.

Okay, it's gaslighting. I call it a mistress— the mistress magnet, because she seems to only attract mistresses. Because Gary Owen's wife, uh, came out and said that, you know, she was best friends with Gary Owen's mistress. And then her best friend Sabrina Hutton was just outed online for taking somebody's husband. And I met that best friend that night at dinner, and I had no idea that she was going to be in the middle of a scandal so big. And then of course the Kathy White—

yeah, link.

Okay, so, well, we got a special—

what I will say though is that I don't know specifically about her, right, or Kathy, but what I do know is that a lot of these women that do go to these parties with big celebrities, they work in rings, and a lot of them get paid to attend these parties. A lot of them are escorts. A lot of them are kept. A lot of them, you know, they have their sugar daddies that buy condos for them. So there's a community of these girls that, you know, are paid to go to these parties.

Mm. Interesting. And I definitely agree with you because I've spoken to a few of them and I have one that's going to, that's going to come and she's going to sit down later this week. But she was at a Diddy party here recently and she does allege that her drink was, was drugged. I mean, was laced. She was like, I drink all the time. I'm a party girl, but to get that wasted off of one drink and I can't go home. She was like, anything could have happened to me. So she said that was her first and last Diddy party. But that's just a portion. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's kind of what gave us, gave me the, I need to talk to Liz. And I hit, Angie was like, I know her. And I was like, please get her here. You know what I'm saying? And she said, like I said, she said, you don't fuck with a lot of people, but Like I said, you are, you were and still are a journalist that has covered these stories. You're not someone that just says, oh, it's gossip, but without doing your research. You were speaking to a lot of people that were connected to these circles and even in these circles to write the stories that you wrote, to even to the point where they have pushed you out of the media because they want to— they wanted and intentionally wanted to silence you for the things that you were saying.

Yeah, absolutely.

Liz Corkin, welcome to the wine cellar. That was a hell of an intro, wasn't it? That was a good intro.

I need a glass of wine.

I know. We got the Don Paula Estate Malbec. Okay, this is in Argentina. How's that?

Perfect.

All right, cool. Let me let you taste it.

I've had that bottle before.

Oh, God. I'm about to break it. Look, let me let you taste it. It looks really good. I love the color.

It does look good.

Yeah. Tell me what you think. Yes. That's good. That's very good. All right, let me go ahead and top you off. We just popped the bottle for you. All right. She, interesting enough, said, because, you know, we are winos, you don't drink wines from California.

No.

Why is that? Tell them.

Well, I realized that after I would drink wine from California, I would always feel sick the next day. I would have a bad hangover. I'd have a headache. And so I started researching and I found that they put Roundup in a lot of the, like, in, you know, in the vineyards, they put— they use Roundup and Roundup is a chemical that causes all kinds of health problems, including cancer. And so I just stopped drinking California wine after that. And I, I try to only drink South American wine or, you know, wine from Europe because they tend to not have as much, not only like chemicals in the wine, but just additives and stuff like that. I just find that it just, it just, you just don't get sick the next day. You don't get a hangover, you don't get a headache. But, you know, and every once in a blue moon someone will be like, oh no, just try this bottle of wine from California, you know? And I'll have a couple glasses and like, sure enough, the next morning I feel awful.

So even if they are organic wines, the Roundup is still in the soil.

Like, that's—

it's hard to get it out, right?

So that's the thing, when they put a chemical like Roundup in the soil, if you have an organic vineyard, the chemicals can blow over. I mean, if anyone that's been to California knows how windy it gets there, so the cat— so They actually did testing on the organic wines from California and they still found that Roundup is in those wines, even though they don't put it in the soil for those vineyards. So even the organic wine, you know, even if they, you know, go outta their way to try to make it, you know, not to have these chemicals in them, they still find them in there.

And that's why I do New Zealand wines. They have one of the cleanest vineyards. They don't even wear shoes on their vineyard. Like to go and harvest. They don't wear shoes. You're not allowed to. So that's how clean they keep their soil. And you can taste it in the wine.

I got my husband for the first time. I hope their feet are clean.

They are. They haven't put plastic over. But I remember my husband was like, you always drinking them, what do you call them? Old lady wines. You know what I'm saying? The Sauvignon Blancs and stuff. The ones that you drink during the day at the bar, you know? And I'm like, okay, you talking shit. So I gave him, you know, a half a glass of Kim Crawford. It was a very basic one. He was like, this wine is fucking hitting like shit. He didn't wake up with no headache. He wasn't tired. He could go to work. He was fucked up, but he could still go to work, you know? So cheers. Welcome again to the Wise Elements, Liz Corkin. And your last name is Corkin.

Crokin.

Crokin. Crokin. I'm sorry.

It's okay. People always mispronounce it.

Just like you said, as we—

I mean, after this bottle of wine, it may be Corkin.

Mm-hmm. So, Miss Liz, tell us how you got into journalism.

Well, I always was a truth seeker, even as a child. I was— I hated liars. And I, you know, whenever I had friends that would lie to me, I would always go, you know, go out of my way to figure out if they were lying to me. You know, I mean, I would be like secretly recording my friends if I knew they were lying to me and then bust them in a lie. Like, I did that as a child, just like naturally I had that like truth seeker in me. And I was always interested in stories and the unknown. And so I was always at the library checking out books. And, um, so I just had this passion for just seeking truth and learning. And I always wanted to be a reporter. And so in high school, I did a senior project that enabled me to get an internship at Fox News Chicago. So I was 16 or 17 years old when I got essentially my first news job. And so I worked as an intern at Fox News Chicago, but I was doing journalism, I was doing reporting, I was doing news packages, I was doing, you know, a, you know, a ton of journalism even back then as a teenager. So then I went to college.

Pretty dope to get an internship like that at 16.

Yeah, yeah, it was— no, it was, it was amazing. It was a dream come true. I got very lucky. And so, so I did that, and then I went to University of Iowa. I got a degree in journalism and political science, and I did many more news internships.

State that again, because people try to call you like a self-proclaimed journalist.

So the mainstream media, once they— once I started exposing too much truth, specifically about elite rings, that's when the media attacks started. And they love to call me a so-called journalist or self-proclaimed journalist, conspiracy theorist. I don't even mind because conspiracy theorists as much as so-called journalists or self-proclaimed journalists, because I literally worked in mainstream media for two decades, and I have a degree in journalism. And as I said, I got my first news job when I was 16 or 17 years old. And so for them to write that in an article, just— I mean, that discredits them immediately because they're lying about my extensive journalism background. Now, they can disagree with the content of what I'm reporting, but at least be honest about who I am. But they, they don't do that because they don't want to do anything that lends me any credibility, because at the end of the day, they know what I'm reporting is the truth. And if it wasn't the truth, they wouldn't be bothered by me. They wouldn't care about me. They would just think that I'm some, you know, quote-unquote crazy conspiracy theorist, and they wouldn't give me the time of day. But that's not what they do.

Preach, Miss Liz! Please, please preach, please.

Yeah, and you know, so, okay, so I did all these internships while I was in college. One was with Bill O'Reilly at Fox News Channel. I learned so much just from him. I would stay late every single night to watch his show just to learn from him because back then I, I felt that he was the best journalist there was out there. And so I wanted to—

it was pretty big though, would you say? I said Bill was pretty big.

Yeah, he had the number one show for years. And I, you know, I, I learned so much from that experience and I was just a sponge. I wanted to absorb everything and just learned, you know, how he reported the news and how he did his research and connected dots. And so I did that and then I graduated from college and I got an internship working in the White House, but I was working for the State Department's White House correspondent. So back then, the State Department had a news agency, which I don't think they still have, and they had a reporter at the White House, Homeland Security, you know, the Department of Justice. And like, each reporter would be the official, you know, reporter for that division of the government or whatnot.

And I remember when they used to do that, right?

And they were— their job was supposed to be just to attend briefings and press conferences and just write stories that were verbatim what happened. There was supposed to be no spin, no narrative, no opinion, just the basic facts of what happened at the press conference or the event or whatnot. So when I interned for the White House correspondent for the State Department, she was over it. She's like, oh God, I don't want to go back to the White House. And I'm like, I'll go. And so I got to go to the White House every single day. And so I got sit in the White House every day and sit through the White House briefings and, you know, um, meetings in the— well, I snuck into a meeting in the Oval Office. I wasn't supposed to be in the Oval Office, but that's not easy to do.

I would have done that shit too.

I only managed to sneak the Oval Office one time.

Did they catch you? Um, I—

you know who caught me? Vice President Dick Cheney. It was Vice— it was— okay, President George W. Bush. Yeah, when I first started the internship, it was So Bill Clinton was transitioning out. Oh, okay.

Oh, shit. Did you— did you cover the semen on the dress?

Well, that was what was so fun about it is because when I got there, you know, the White House press corps stays the same throughout the administration. And so, you know, everyone had all these stories about what a pervy was and, you know, his just like predatory behavior. And so, like, when I got in there, Bill Clinton was fine.

So I could see him being like a ladies' man.

Oh, yeah. They would just tell me stories about how, like, you know, like whenever he would come in the press room, like he'd always, like, focus on the hottest girl in the room and, like, give her the eye and, like, give her looks and that it was like the same thing every day. So they told me all these stories.

What did he see in Hillary?

Oh, what did he see? I'm like, do we want to go down this rabbit hole?

Yes.

Let's see. Do you really think that they are in love with each other?

Absolutely not. That is a business arrangement.

Exactly. So that's what he saw. But I don't think he really understood what he was getting himself into when he married her.

Oh, we're gonna, we're gonna swing back. We're gonna spin the block on that. But go ahead.

But working, you know, working for the wife. I don't think she was ever really bothered by what he did because it was a business arrangement. So if her husband's cheating on her, having affairs and sexually assaulting women, then Why does she care? It's a business arrangement. And her goal was always to get to the White House herself. And one of the best ways to do that was through another president and marrying one. Right. But we can get— we can get back to that. So when I got into the White House, I— yeah. So they were transitioning out and George W. and, you know, Cheney were transitioning in. And so I went to events in the White House and there was only one day that I was able to sneak into the Oval Office. Now, when they do an event in the Oval Office, it's so small in there they can't fit all of the pool reporters or all the White House reporters.

Okay.

So they send a pool. So they'll, they'll take, you know, ABC's camera person and then CNN's, you know, reporter, and they'll take a handful of people because not everyone can fit in there. And so, you know, one day when I was— I think it was towards the end of my internship, I was I was like, I haven't been in the Oval Office. I'm just going to kind of like mosey on in with the pool and see if I get kicked out.

And Vice President Cheney saw you? Yeah.

And so I was like, doo doo doo. And I got away with it almost the whole time. And then when I was walking out, Vice President Cheney was like, I know you. And I was like, oh no, what did I do? He's got me busted. And so I thought, yeah, I thought he was going to scold me for sneaking into the Oval Office knowing that I shouldn't have been in there. But instead he said that he recognized me. And I'm sitting here thinking like, what the heck? Like, what does he recognize me from? Because I hadn't seen him once in the White House my entire internship because, you know, obviously he doesn't live there. But, and he didn't go there that often, at least when I was there. And I'm like, oh, you recognize me? Like, what is he talking about? I was just kind of like, huh? He's like, yeah, I recognize you. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, he's like, when I was in the hospital, I was watching— they had me watch tapes of my speech from the Republican National Convention. And he's like, he's like, that camera focused more on you than me.

Oh, he was focused on you.

There was a cameraman during one of his— from one of the networks, because, you know, every network aired it, I believe, back then. But there was one network where the cameraman— I was in the front row— the cameraman kept panning over to me. And so apparently he was watching that tape, and so he recognized me from just sitting in the front row at his speech at the Republican National convention. So that was, that was kind of funny. Anyway, so we talked a little bit and then, and then the Secret Service, you know, tried to scoot me out of there. But so, yeah, so I, you know, I got a great experience, you know, living in D.C. and being able to go to the White House every single day. Then eventually I moved back to Chicago where I'm from, and I started working for the Chicago Tribune's City News as a reporter, which they do the local breaking news, which is just, you know, hard news. So fires and murders, gang-related shootings.

Think of the reporter— he put me in his book. He was the main one that received the tapes of R. Kelly and that 14-year-old girl. You know who I'm talking about? I cannot think of his name. He put me in this.

Is he from the Chicago Tribune?

Yes, he's— he was from the Chicago Tribune. I think you guys probably, probably cross paths. Not off the top. Okay. And it's funny because he did— he was— he thanked me in this book for all the research that I did on R. Kelly and everything. And yeah, even though he had been doing it for years, but they didn't start listening until, you know, I was really into that shit. And that shit was dark. It was heavy. It was heavy. But, um, so I was just wondering— I was gonna throw his name out there, but I can't even think of it. So yeah, I, I'm sure it'll come back to me later.

But so you worked at the Chicago Tribune, and so I was Initially a city news reporter, so just covering, you know, boring city stories, right? And then I was trying to get my own column. It was my dream to have my own column, so I was pitching the editors of their new edition, a new newspaper they had called the Red Eye Edition of the Chicago Tribune.

Okay.

And this was more New York Post-y, you know, because they had more fun headlines like the New York Post does. And so I was pitching them kind of a dating column, and, um, long story short, they finally one day said, we're going to give you your own column, but it's going to be a gossip column. And I'm thinking, really? Because I didn't necessarily want a gossip column. I never was super into celebrities or anything like that. And they're like, we're doing this because, you know, you come to the office every other day and you're like, oh yeah, I was at the nightclub in VIP, and you know, I saw Cameron Diaz with Justin Timberlake and they got into a fight. Or, or like, you know, I'd come in after going out the night before and, you know, to some event or some party. And I, and I have all the gossip, and they're like, you know everyone, you can get into like all the clubs here in the bars, and so you have the gossip and you should have a gossip column. And I was like, all right, you know. But I'd never intended to cover Hollywood or celebrities for that matter. I wasn't even really interested in celebrities or Hollywood that much.

So what were you interested in?

I, I, I liked I just, I like, I like politics a lot more than, you know, celebrity gossip, you know.

So the gossip may be in politics with the dating and—

yeah, I was just, I was way more into political reporting and hard news.

Okay.

You know, investigative pieces, those kinds of things. You know, Hollywood was just, you know, I wasn't super interested. You know, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't read the magazines. I wasn't, I didn't watch a lot of those shows everybody would watch. And so when I got the gossip column, I did like to go out though, so I would go to parties and I would see celebrities, but I didn't really care. Okay. And so, but My friends all made fun of me because they're like, oh my God, you don't even know who, like, any celebrities. And like, now you're a celebrity reporter. And I'm like, I guess.

Yeah, I got to make it work.

Yeah. But it doesn't really matter what you're covering. You just have to be good at— a good journalist. Right. And I was. So whether it's politics or celebrities or whatever, you know, if you're a good journalist, then that shouldn't matter. And I actually think it benefited me that I wasn't, you know, a Hollywood fangirl. Because I've— a lot of entertainment reporters get into entertainment reporting because they're obsessed with celebrities, and that's, that's not good.

And the celebrities love that because it's like they get to have someone that favors them, and whenever they need to put something out, it's always in their favor, right? And they use people like that to discredit people like me and you, and it's like, uh-uh.

Yeah, exactly.

We've been talking about Diddy, uh, bitches for years. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He'd love Dr. Now. Get out of here with that bullshit.

Yeah, it's true. I mean, there's a lot of journalists out are more interested in, you know, becoming friends with celebrities, kissing their asses, and, and the perks than actual journalism. And they shouldn't be in journalism, you know. If, if that's, if that's how you're behaving, like, then you shouldn't even be in journalism. So I fell into Hollywood Reporting because apparently I was really good at bringing gossip, you know. And so I got my own gossip column, and then right away I was breaking stories. And, you know, and the, you know, the Chicago Tribune's Red Eye edition— I was breaking stories that would get picked up by magazines like Us Weekly and Star and E! News. And so they all started calling me, and next thing I know, you know, I'm getting job offers from magazines like Us and Star and In Touch Weekly. And they— it's my first job with a magazine was with Us Weekly. And like practically overnight, I became their most traveled reporter, and because I was really good at what I did, but specifically on the ground, on the ground reporting. So I have traveled all over the world covering celebrities, and then eventually I ended up moving to LA and worked in Hollywood for, um, Us Weekly, Star, National Enquirer, and in Touch Weekly. So that's 4 different magazines during my time in Hollywood.

So was it— I guess, was it, was it good? Like, I mean, did it become fun to you?

Yeah, I mean, I love the travel. I loved getting a tip and being, you know, my editor would call me up and say, there was one morning I woke up and my editor called me and he said, we got a tip that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are in the Galápagos Islands and they might be getting married this weekend. And I was like, okay. And he's like, that's all I know. He's like, we have no idea where they're staying on the island, like what hotel, like when they got in. And but that's all I knew. And so, and I love that because I'm like, this is a challenge. Like, I have to find them, you know? And so instead of going to the office that day, I had to switch gears and like pack a bag real quick and go straight to the airport. And, you know, like a day and a half later, like 3 airplane rides, a boat ride, you know, I'm in the Galápagos Islands and I'm like, you know, but and by the way, back then I didn't have a cell phone. So when I got to the Galápagos Islands, like the hotels I stayed in, they didn't have phones.

The long distance was like real long distance calls.

It was. And I couldn't— I don't even know if I brought a laptop. I remember I had to go to this little cafe to type up my stories and, you know, and so, but when I got to the Galápagos Islands, they could be anywhere on the island. Right. And so I love like the challenge of like that, you know, trying like having to find them and like, what are they doing here?

Did you find them?

I found them literally like within 15 minutes of—

it's probably the people talking on the island because, you know, when a celebrity come, they know.

I actually— my boss was trying to get me to check into this 5-star resort because he was like convinced that they were staying at this 5-star resort, and my gut was telling me that they weren't there and there wasn't a room available. So he was like just find a room somewhere else and go straight to that hotel and just sit up by the pool. And I'm like, I've just been on a plane for an hour and a half— and no, or not an hour and a half, a day and a half. And so I, I just— but I knew that they weren't there, and so I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna check into my hotel and just start asking around. And sure enough, I just find this random hotel, the first one that looked cute, you know, in the bay there. And right when I walked in, because most people there don't speak English at all, so I had to speak Spanish, I asked the woman in Spanish if she heard about Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie being there. And she told me yes. And she like was just pointing like right outside the window there. And I was like, no way, they're staying here. And sure enough, she was pointing at this home like, like right like across the bay from this hotel that was like very close. It was very like a very tiny little, you know, Bay where there's old boat docks and stuff. And she's like, "Yeah, key, key." And I'm like, "Really?" And she was telling me they're in that house. And I was like, "No way. Did I really get this lucky within like 5 minutes of landing in the Galápagos Islands?" And so I go up into my room and I get a drink and I'm just sitting and looking like out the window. And sure enough, like there's Brad, there's Angelina, there's Maddox, there's Shiloh, and they're all like hanging out at the pool. And so I'm taking pictures and I'm like, "Oh my God." Jackpot, I found them.

All right, damn, that was a big story.

I mean, they didn't end up getting married, so it really wasn't a big story. Nothing like that scandal happened there. But you know, sometimes when you— when you're told a celebrity is in this country or in this city, but that's all you're told, it could take 3 or 4 days before you actually are able to find out where they are. Keep in mind, like, this is before people had cell phones, so they could, you know, they could kind of get around more easily without people knowing where they were.

Get around more easily. There's a lot of shit that's coming up nowadays that was not even documented.

Yeah.

You know, like with the Diddy and Jay-Z and just all that shit. Kanye, like all this stuff was not documented and now everybody's starting to speak because, you know, now it's the time to. So like, yeah, I could definitely understand that now. So you're on the move. You're one of the hottest celebrity columns out there. Was Wendy— would you consider Wendy Williams a competitor of yours?

No.

Why not?

Well, when I was working for the magazine.

Or just throughout your career? No.

I mean, she had her own TV show and I didn't have a TV show, so I wouldn't—

Well, she had a radio show at the time.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it was like, you know, she was really getting a lot of beef from like Puffy. Puffy was getting her fired and stuff because she was reporting on a lot of his gay rumors and accusations and things like that. And yeah, beating Kim and all that shit. So, you know, and you were reporting some of the similar things. So I didn't know if you guys had crossed paths at any point.

Like, no, I don't think I've ever met her. Yeah, no, not really. I mean, a lot of people— a lot of the stories I broke, a lot of people have no idea I broke them. You know, the bylines in these magazines were so small, a lot of people have no idea that so many of these stories were broken by me.

So you're breaking stories. Like I said, that you said there's so many different ways we can go with this, you know, like the Kardashians. You knew that Bruce Jenner was trying on— was already cross-dressing before the public even knew about it. How'd you know about that?

Oh, we had a source tell us, you know. So basically when I was working at the magazine— so I started at the magazine, I want to say 2003, to 2004-ish.

Okay.

And then I was working for these magazines until 2012. And during that time, there were so many stories that I heard back then that was kind of common knowledge, at least maybe not with all the reporters in the industry, but at least with the with a handful of them. And one of the things that I knew years before Bruce/Kaitlyn started transitioning, like, whatever— I don't know what to say.

He's anti-trans. He's a trans and anti-trans.

Anti-trans.

Yeah.

But, you know, I knew that he was trans before, you know, it ever went public because we had sources telling us that, you know, he was secretly cross-dressing in this, like, and this is before he started growing his hair long and all that stuff, because there was a period of time where it was like, like, oh, like he's looking more feminine.

Like his eyebrows, fillers.

Yeah, he did it over, you know, like years, right? Like he was slowly, I think, trying to come out and like maybe get his family used to the idea of him becoming Caitlyn. But before he started growing out his hair and started— yeah, the fillers and all that stuff. Um, and I think he got rid of the Adam's apple. But yeah, I gotta hear the Adam's apple. Yeah, I think, I think he shaved it. I think you guys should shave it. But so, you know, I knew that he— I knew that he was trans, you know, years before he came out. You know, we had sources telling us all kinds of stuff, and that was one of the things. And so it's just— it's so interesting because there's a lot of things that I knew years ago, and then years later it comes out and everyone's like, oh, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, well, they monetized it when it came out.

So I'm— Kris Jenner just didn't find out about that shit. Like, she'd knew, you know. So when they put it on the show like it was this big thing, they just marketed it, they monetized it. You know, Kris Jenner knows how to make her money. She don't give a shit who she's selling. No.

Yeah, well, including her daughter, because it was Kris Jenner that got Kim Kardashian the sex tape deal.

And Kevin Blatt told me. Yeah, you know Kevin?

I don't know Kevin. Okay, but I had a source that saw the contract Oh, and this source read the— this again, this is years ago. This is before Ray J started talking about it, right?

Oh shit.

So we're talking years and years, like I want to say.

So this is before Kevin Blatt even got it.

This is like 2010, I want to say. Okay, I'd have to pull up magazine, but yeah, this was probably 2010, maybe 2011. So like 14 years ago. And so I— and this was a cover story I did with Star Magazine. Um, I believe it was a cover story. I'm pretty sure it was a cover story. So my source saw the contracts and she said that, you know, this wasn't leaked, this was all staged. And, you know, it was Kim Kardashian's mom who brokered the deal for the sex tape. And this source took and passed a polygraph test. So years later, when people started buzzing about it and Ray J was, you know, being more open about it, I was like, yeah, I like— that was my cover story years ago, right? So there were so many different stories that I've done years ago, you know, and then I don't know, people just kind of dismissed them or, you know, maybe didn't think twice about them. And then, you know, years later, it's just confirmation after confirmation.

That's how that— and that's exactly how it Anything on Khloe's daddy?

So, yeah, I do think I worked on—

I have to ask, Liz, you was around before I was. So listen, I have got to know anything, 'cause that girl don't look nothing like them other kids. They got very distinct looks. They look like their mama. Kris Jenner even look like her sisters, her grandmama, her mama. All of them look the same. What happened to Khloe? And Khloe don't even look like the daddy. Who's the daddy?

Okay, so yes, that was top. We did do stories on that. I don't think I specifically—

she big too. Everybody, all them other girls is little.

Oh yeah, well, and they also— I was so— and you know, Kris also tried to monetize off of that too.

Yeah.

And she's like, oh, I'm gonna prove it, like, you know, you are my kid. And then she like did a DNA test but just on herself. And, and I'm like, hello, like, the mystery is Not if you're her mom. Mystery is like, who is her daddy? Nice, like, deflection there. But, okay, I will say—

I'm taking you out of my bedroom.

I will say that this was kind of a debate in our office. And there, you know, because there's lots of theories on who the dad is, but there is one guy that that in all of our opinions we believe is most likely to be her father, and I can't prove it.

Who is allegedly— who is it?

I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, I believe it— the guy is a hairdresser.

Her hairdresser! I knew it!

Oh, so you know what, you know who I'm talking about.

Yes, she looked just like his ass. So yeah, he was Kris Jenner's hairdresser.

Do you know what I'm talking about though? Because Kris Jenner did some like cheesy video years ago, or she's like, she did a music video. There was some video that she did. We were all like analyzing it. Again, this was probably 15 years ago.

Yeah.

And we were analyzing it. We're like, that's the dad.

Like, so this shit been going around. This ain't no new stuff because like that girl don't look nothing like them kids. Them kids have a very nice— what do they call like oval faces? Like how you got, you know what I'm saying? They're very— what do you call it? Where they from? Armenia? What the fuck?

Well, yes. And, and I mean, Chris Kris has admitted to having a, like, an affair on Rob Kardashian. So it's like, like, does one—

she want Khloe to be an actual Kardashian? So I think it's kind of like, I don't want to devalue her, right? Yeah.

Well, Khloe doesn't like to talk about it, you know. Like, whenever they've brought it up on the show, Khloe gets really uncomfortable and she changes the topic. And so You know, I— it's kind of sad. I mean, if Robert was alive, you know, at the end of the day, like, this is a theory we all had in the office, and I didn't work specifically on this story. Other people did. I can't even remember. They may have gotten evidence, um, proving that it was true. I honestly can't remember because we did have reporters collecting DNA. I mean, you know, people—

y'all was doing it like that. I heard that National Enquirer had like a vault vault of archives of receipts.

Yeah. So National Enquirer, they actually— one of my colleagues there, he broke the John Edwards love child story.

Oh, shit.

Like a year before the mainstream media picked up on it. And so he broke it and basically got no credit for it. And then a year later, the mainstream media catches up, which is always the case, right? Yeah. The reason why he was able to break the story is because he took a dirty diaper from a bathroom and got a DNA test.

He took a what from the bathroom?

A dirty diaper from the baby.

That's some hella fire journalism right there.

But see, can I tell you something?

That's some shit I would do. I ain't gonna lie.

But see, here's the thing. People look at the tabloids, they're like, oh, it's National Enquirer, it must not be true. You know, like—

No, the actual part was true.

No, actually, Like, they were, uh, they were always ahead of the curve. And all of the stories that I worked on at National Enquirer and/or Star Magazine, which is owned by the same company, American Media, they went to the greatest lengths to ensure the validity of the stories. So speaking of Bill Clinton, they had Bill Clinton's lawyers from, I believe, when he was president. They always insisted— so if it was a very salacious story that would be possibly litigious, like an affair story or a love child story, like you had to have— you, you had to have someone on the record, someone off the record, you had to have physical evidence. And then like, and if it was a super salacious story, then they would insist on the, um, sources taking and passing polygraph tests. Now, I've worked before for mainstream media outlets such as the Chicago Tribune. I also did a lot of investigative pieces with the New York Observer and other mainstream places. And I can't tell you one mainstream media outlet that I've worked for or even know of that goes to that far of great lengths to ensure the validity of a story. So—

and that's why they're still around to this day.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, when I wasn't there that long, but when I was there, I met some of the best reporters and they were very thorough. The lawyers are very thorough. It was just like you had to have all your ducks in a row. And so—

and they were hot. I mean, you would be in a grocery store line looking like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, every time. And the marketing was perfect because Everybody got to go buy food.

Yeah.

They made sure their magazine was right there. And you looking like, what? Whitney? Is that Whitney lit up like that?

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, you can go back and look at so many different covers and see that there's so many things that they broke years ago that people thought, oh, there's no way, you know, and they were true.

So what about Bill Clinton's love baby?

That black boy, Danny.

Yeah, yeah, true. Is that—

I think, I think it is. Yeah, I looked into that in, I think, 2017. I— yeah, I think that that's his one. I'd say one of his love children, because I'm sure Bill Clinton probably has many.

Oh yeah, okay. So those were the rumors back then that there was more, like, because he was just— I guess he was a ladies' man because he was a very attractive guy and he happened to be— I think he got elected president because of his looks. I'm gonna be honest you like?

Well, he wasn't just a very attractive man. He had that charm and charisma that a lot of politicians don't have, especially these days.

Obama had it though.

Obama did have it. Absolutely.

Yes.

So he had that, you know, je ne sais quoi, you know, that, um, but you know, Bill's a predator. He's an evil man and he has raped multiple women.

Wait, who did he Well, Monica Lewinsky?

No. Okay, I would say that he took advantage of her and groomed her, but she's never said that. But there's been multiple—

and that's alleged, by the way.

But yeah, yeah, well, Juanita Broderick, you know who she is?

No.

Yeah, Juanita Broderick, um, Paula Jones. Like, he— yeah, he sexually assaulted multiple women, and some of them very violently. And there's also been allegations made against him that he's raped minors.

Now, how— who— how'd you— where'd you get that from?

There was a story that a colleague that I have mutual friends with was covering in, I want to say, 2017, 2018, and she had a source that claimed that she was— or that he was a he— that he was raped as a child on a yacht at a party with elites by Bill Clinton.

Was this Jeffrey Epstein? Does it have anything to do with it?

Probably. It could. Okay. I don't know if Epstein was there or not, but so she was working on this story and they— they— she collected all the evidence and she got— she interviewed the victim, or I should say alleged victim, but she interviewed this person. Next thing you know, she ends up dead.

The journalist? Yes, because I was going to ask you to put me in contact with her.

No, she, she died.

It's just the gravesite. Oh wow.

Yeah, um, yeah, so, you know, it's just, it, you know, reporters that cover these kinds of topics surrounding the Clintons, you know, pedophilia, child sex trafficking, um, a lot of them end dead.

So let me ask you something. So all this Jeffrey Epstein shit—

and by the way, you can research her yourself. Her name was Jen Moore.

Jen Moore.

Okay.

All right, cool. Um, I'm writing her name down now. Um, before this Jeffrey Epstein shit hit the, hit the fan, was there anything like— were you getting tips on him?

You know, back when I worked at the magazines, I basically just did the stories that they asked me to do. And, you know, they typically, you know, you were asking me about Harvey Weinstein. And it's interesting because when I was working at the magazine, you know, I knew the Weinstein Company, you know, every year that the Weinstein Company had a big Oscar party that everyone wanted to go to and whatnot. But I didn't hear that much about Harvey Weinstein. I don't remember ever. I don't think I ever heard one Harvey Weinstein story. But What I do know is that my bosses only wanted me to cover stories that would sell magazines, right? That's how the business works. So if it's not a name that people know, you can't, you know, because I mean, there's predators all over the place in Hollywood. And so if it's, if it's, you know, like a big, you know, even if it's just like a director, like a movie producer, like, like most people don't know the names of the people behind the cameras, so they weren't interested in those stories. They wanted stories with A-listers. That's it, because that's what sold magazines. So I didn't hear a lot of stories about Harvey Weinstein. I don't think I heard any, you know, years ago. It wasn't until much later that I started hearing things. But— and I heard a little bit about Jeffrey Epstein, but I didn't really start researching, you know, Jeffrey Epstein and his elite ring until 2016.

Yeah, these rings, I mean, before it was just taboo. You heard about it, nobody speaks about it, no one knows. Like you said, I don't know if you saw my interview, um, regarding Will Smith. Like, his best friend of 40 years sat down, uh, Bilal, and, um, the things that he alleged in that interview that he saw with his own eyes, like, you know, and then talking to you and you saying before the public even knew you knew about the sex parties that Will and Jada would have and the cheating. I'm like, how do you cheat if y'all having sex parties? Like, how the fuck does that work?

Yeah.

Like, what did you hear?

Yeah, I remember hearing, you know, again, like, I'd say 15 years ago that they, um, had sex parties and, you know, like, I don't know if they were like orgies or what, but like, I heard that, you know, they like swapped partners, swingers, like, you know, that they were in really wild stuff. And that was kind of not really that big of a secret in Hollywood back then. Like, a lot of people knew about it and talked about it. But so yeah, because they went to the parties, I guess. Yeah.

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Crazy to me because that's a lot of money. Britney is money.

That's the thing. And that, that's why they— Britney was worth, before they stole all of her money, by the way, was worth so much money, right? And there were so many people that became multi, multi, multi-millionaires because of her, right? And so when she started saying no to them— I don't want to do that, I don't want to do that, I don't want, I don't want this manager anymore, no, no, no— when she starts saying no, uh-uh, hell no. You think they're gonna allow someone like Britney Spears to tell them no. So they had to figure out a way to control her. And they do that for all these celebrities that once they, you know, start saying no or stepping out of line or they don't stick with the narrative that they're— that they're told to push, then they gotta come in and control them. You know, Kanye West would be another perfect example of someone that needs to be handled. You know. And we learned that Kanye West did have a handler. It was his fitness trainer, Harley Pasternak. Oh, Harley Pasternak, his quote-unquote fitness trainer. Well, it turns out that he's former Canadian intelligence who specializes in mind control. And brainwashing. And he has repeatedly threatened Kanye that if he doesn't do what he's told, then they will drug him and they will throw him back in the psych ward, which they have done. And that's exactly what they did to Britney Spears. So if you—

do you think that's why her dad stepped in?

Her dad was more the fall guy. Don't get me wrong, her dad's a horrible person, and I believe her mom, her mom is too. But they used her father, Jamie Spears, who really is just like a drunk and a lost man, an abusive man. They used him as the fall guy, you know. They, they used him as the, the guy that they blamed for this illegal conservatorship that she was put under. He was just a patsy. The real mastermind behind her conservatorship and the trafficking and all the crimes that were committed against her— the illegal surveillance, the drugging of her— they forced an IUD in her against her will. They, they were taking blood from her from this medical clinic. Why were they taking her blood? No one, no one ever asks these questions, right? The mastermind behind all this was a woman named Lou Taylor. Now, Lou Taylor owns an entertainment management company called TriStar.

I've heard of TriStar.

Who are some of her clients? Diddy, J.Lo. J.Lo may have parted ways. The Kardashians, Kylie Jenner. And so when you look at this woman who we know was involved in the legal conservatorship of Britney Spears, where she was abused, trafficked, you know, tortured— I mean, they did a horri— her full story has not come out yet. So she was a mastermind behind all this. By the way, they stole her money too on top of that, and they may have used Kylie Jenner's cosmetic company as a front for that. This is all— I did documentary on Britney Spears's conservatorship called Slave Princess, so I detailed all of this in my documentary below.

We'll link that below this video.

That's why I'm very well versed in this topic. I, um, know everything about it because I researched it, I think, for like 8 months straight. But is it true?

I was, I was speaking to Corey and Kyle Massey's mother, Ashley Massey, and, you know, they came out with that, that whole documentary Quiet on the Set. And, you know, her sons work with, with Dan and all that shit. And she says she knows Jamie, and she said she feels that Jamie's a good person. But that judge that was over Britney's case took the conservatorship from Britney's father and gave it to her friend. She said, look it up, Tasha. I still haven't had a chance to go verify that information, but you're like the third person that has told me, even though Jamie's a piece of shit, he was actually trying to protect her from a lot of the shit that was going on.

He was not the mastermind behind it. He is— it was Lou Taylor. And yes, she befriended Jamie. There's rumors that they were sleeping together. Who knows? They got baptized together in Israel. There's pictures. Oh, la la la.

Oh, shit.

And Lou, you know, you know, runs these charities for abused women and children, which, by the way, they had to shut them down and then rename them and rebrand them because there was all these abuse allegations within the organization. She's a complete and total fraud, and she's an evil monster. She slithered in to Britney's circle like a snake, cozied up with Jamie Spears, who's a weak link. You know, he's an alcoholic, he's a mess, whatever. She saw that, probably never had no prey upon that. And Britney always hated her. She would— Britney called her a stalker. She would send notes and gifts and stuff to Britney's home and, and was always trying to get in touch with Britney and You know, Britney's written letters and said that she did not like her. She was afraid of her. She was weird. She was a stalker. She knew she was bad. But yeah, she was slithering her way, you know, into the circle, you know. And she, she woos Jamie and she woos the family, you know. And she argues the conservatorship and, and everybody gets money. Oh, she's in a conservatorship, we'll pay you this, you know, keep everyone happy. Meanwhile, Britney's, you know, can't even— they won't even give her enough money to buy a pair of Skechers shoes. She didn't have a phone. She had— she didn't have a phone for years, you know. She's never controlled her social media. She still doesn't. What they did to her is awful, and people still really don't understand, like, how bad it really was. And that, in my opinion, she's still in a conservatorship because the last court records that I saw What they did is they, they didn't, they never ended the conservatorship.

They transferred it.

They tra— yes, they, they, it's, and I can't remember the exact legal terms they used. I, I think what they did is they called it a care plan and then they sealed the records. So they were like, you know, people were starting to figure out that they were abusing her, that they were trafficking her and they were doing all these horrible things to her. And the movement organically grew, right? And so people start figuring that out and it's like, oh shoot, like we gotta, we gotta get all these free Britney people to calm down over here, right? So they usher in like the white knight, the new lawyer Matthew Rosengart, who's by the way tied to all these shady people that are involved, you know, in the criminal activity against Britney. So whatever, I try to give him the benefit of the doubt and he hasn't done anything to get justice for her and what happened to her. And what they did is they did this whole, oh, Britney's free. Yay. Free Britney. She's free of her conservatorship. But if you actually read the court documents, she's not. The conservatorship never ended. They changed it from a conservatorship to a care plan.

And what's that movie? I Care a Lot.

Oh, that's Lou Taylor. That's actually like a nice version of Lou Taylor. Like imagine that woman. Times like a thousand in levels of evil. That's Lou Taylor.

What was she doing with Britney's blood?

With Britney's what?

Blood. Why was she taking blood?

Yeah, I'd like to know that myself. But Britney said that under oath in her testimony, and I believe that's the last time we actually heard from Britney. That the stuff that you see on social media, like, Britney hasn't controlled that in years, and she still doesn't. So, you know, people are like, oh my God, like, so all that's spinning around and shit, because it does make Britney look— of course, that's like she's crazy.

So every time they post, like— but I've never seen her go live. She's—

yeah, because she's still— she's still enslaved. Remember, they, they turned it from a conservatorship to a care plan. Care plan. Never defined what a care plan is. So is that just like a nice way of saying a conservatorship? And then they sealed the records. So we really have no way of knowing what the truth is because they sealed the records. And if she's free, why would they need to seal the records? Okay.

And you know, there was a lot of outrage behind Wendy and that conservatorship. Like, they took it from her family, gave it to some, some woman that happens to be a conservator. Like, she's a lawyer, she's an estate lawyer, but it's like, why would you not communicate with the family if you're a conservatorship? Like, if you are a conservator, why would you not want to communicate with the family about the health and wellbeing but you are getting a cut. You get paid from this money. So why not talk to the family that's involved to let them know how she's doing or, or what she's up to and things like that? But they, they have gotten nothing, you know.

No one in Monie's family, because it's a criminal scheme to take control over a person, their wealth, their money, their star status, you name And I haven't dug deep into Wendy Williams' story, but I have done some research on it, and I see all the same markers of her story as Britney's. I feel that she seems to be someone that started telling too much truth, so they had to move in and get her under control, which is exactly what they tried to do to Kanye West. They tried to put him in a conservatorship. They tried to do the same thing to Lindsay Lohan.

Was orchestrating that, wasn't she? Yes, is what I heard. Yeah.

Yes.

Because she would have been in control over the money.

Yes, yes. And I, at the time when he was thrown in the mental institution— it was the same hospital, by the way, that Britney Spears was thrown in— I had a source that was on the phone with someone that was with Kanye as this all was happening. So he was literally in the room with Kanye as he was being told he was having a mental breakdown, taken away. And my source was on the phone with them as it was happening in real time. So this, this was a— this is some— this is a good source I've known for a long time.

How was Kanye able to escape though? It's almost like he had to give up his star power to do it.

I think he got help. I think he got help from people that he knew would help him. Do you remember the first place he went after he left the psych ward?

I can't remember.

There's one place that he went straight to as soon as he left the hospital.

I have to look that up.

It was Trump Tower in 2016. He went straight to Trump Tower. And Trump, you know, they remember this is before— this is when Trump had won, but he hadn't been sworn in as president yet. So Trump was, you know, getting his team ready at Trump Tower, and there would be people ushered in all day long at Trump Tower doing meetings with president— well, president-elect Trump. And he let— he left the psych ward and flew straight to New York and met with Trump. And during this time period, whenever someone would meet with Trump, like TMZ, like all the cameras would be out there. Oh, how was your meeting with Trump? Like, what did you talk about? Are you going to be part of his team? Are you gonna work in the White House? You can get a cabinet position. So Kanye shows up like right after he was in the psych ward, and Trump came down with him after their meeting. And he, and he, you know, he said something along the lines of like, oh yeah, we want to like, you know, like we're talking about how we can, you know, make things better for the Black community. And it's like, he just left the psych ward. Like, come on, you really think that he's going to meet with Trump to talk about politics?

Yeah. So, and I remember Kim, Kim was sitting in Trump's office, and it's like he brought the family along. So obviously there was some type of deal made.

Well, I will also say this: when he went so-called crazy I was told that he was drugged, and he has, I believe, he has posted text messages from Harley Pasternak, so the fitness trainer, aka his handler, with the former intelligence background, a Canadian intelligence background in specialization and mind control. Um, so I was told that he was drugged. They put something in his drinking like, I think he was like in the, like, working out at the time when, when he went crazy. It's not like he was out partying, like he wasn't drinking alcohol or anything like that. I think he was drinking like a pop or like maybe even just water, but they put something in his drink that made him go like hallucinate or whatever. So he appeared to be going crazy, and that's what he had.

We had, we had all those outbursts in the, in the media of him on TMZ and—

right, and yeah, and yeah. And then Harley, he did Kanye did post text messages, um, from Harley when he was basically threatening him and trying to put him back in the mental institution. And I think he may have also posted a message where he's trying to drug him again. And Kanye's definitely talked about it, but they were trying to get him on lithium, which is what they forced Britney to be on, which she did not want to be on, but that they used lithium as a way to control her, you know. And I, and I would argue to mind control her as well, because again, these handlers like Harley, they specialize in mind control. Now, why is someone that's just Kanye West's fitness trainer threatening to throw him in a psych ward if he doesn't toe the line or push a certain narrative? Does that make any sense to you whatsoever?

None at all.

Like, I mean I've had a few trainers in my life and they're like, okay, like, what's your diet like? Yeah. Like, did you get enough sleep last night? Did you get enough water? Like, did you work out? You know, when we missed our appointment the other day, like, I've never had a trainer that's like, you know, like, push this narrative or I'm gonna throw you in a psych ward. And like, come on. So what happens in Hollywood is you have people like a boyfriend that's dating Britney Spears who she thinks actually likes her and that they organically met, when in reality he's being paid to be her handler. Or you have Harley Pasternak, who allegedly is Kanye's fitness trainer. You know, I'm sure it was one point he really believed he was just a fitness trainer and that's it. And it's like, no, that's actually the, his, the COVID for what he's really doing.

I mean, because fitness trainers, I mean, they— I've had you know, like fitness trainers, they can bring you from one mood to another. Like, it's not that they specialize in getting you in shape. It's all about really mind control. Like, can I make you disciplined? Can I make you responsible? Can I motivate you when you're unmotivated? So I can understand how the two would— why they would say a fitness trainer as opposed to somebody that's Canadian intelligence. I'm gonna have to look that up. Like I said, Liz, you blowing this shit out the water. I'm like, oh my God. Like I said, you walk so I can fucking run, but I got a long way to catch up. You understand?

Like, it goes much deeper than that. And these, you know, this corruption, you know, and this, this evil force of people that's working in tandem in Hollywood to control celebrities, you know, they work with a lot of people in Hollywood. Like these webs intersect. So, you know, you have Lou Taylor, who was a mastermind behind Britney's conservatorship. Well, she also tried to put Lindsay Lohan in a conservatorship. And oh shit, yeah. And I, for my documentary, I interviewed Michael Lohan, and the only reason why she was saved from that is because Michael Lohan stopped— her father stopped it because he knew this woman was evil and she was just coming after Lindsay's money. But she tried to put put many celebrities into conservatorships. And you know what else she went after? She went after Prince's estate.

Prince? Because I'm gonna be honest, it shocked me that Prince died so early. He was extremely healthy.

Yeah.

So to hear that he all of a sudden had a drug problem and he was addicted to pain pills, that threw me for a loop. I'm gonna be honest with you, that's probably— yes, I cried when Michael Jackson died. However, when Prince died, I said, how?

I don't—

I've never—

do you believe that that's why he died?

No.

Yeah, Prince— you go back and you listen to things that Prince said. I mean, you go back and you listen to old interviews of Prince, Michael Jackson, and it's like, oh, now I know why they had enemies. Oh, now I know why they were targeted. Oh, now I know why this person was probably murdered. Because you can see who wasn't willing to toe the line. Who wasn't willing to just push whatever agenda they wanted them to push. And like, I've always believed that he was a good one. And the fact that this evil monster, who I know is behind the illegal conservatorship and all these horrible things that happened to Britney Spears, including stealing all her wealth— she went after his estate as well. And so like, this woman connects to so many people in Hollywood. You know, and she's—

and Prince was— when I tell you, he was probably one of the only artists that I think Hollywood was threatened by because of his education. And he was educating other artists on how to escape the system and how to own your shit. And he would talk about it. I remember meeting, you know, talking to so many different celebrities, and they said they had conversations with Prince about things that they need to, you know, to do in order to you know, have longevity in the music industry. He always talked about health and wellness. So to hear that he had a pain pill problem—

yeah, I don't believe it. I have met him before too.

I was just like, how the— like, he was just on The View.

I don't even think he drank.

No, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Like, so when they said that, I was like, okay, so that sounds too familiar. The Michael Jackson story. But Michael was not administering his own— Michael was— uh, IV was put in Michael's arm to go to sleep. Where the fuck do they do that at?

Right. Right.

Like that, that to me is bizarre. You needed this to go to sleep? Yeah. They could just give you a pill and you go to sleep. Why do you need an IV of one of the most dangerous narcotics out there to go to sleep? When he went to sleep, his estate was worth almost a billion dollars more than what it was when he was alive. He was worth more dead than alive.

Of course.

And Prince as well. And Prince ended up like, he was under the ownership of the labels. He got his ownership back, said the name, I'm just gonna use the symbol, people still gonna refer to me as Prince anyway. They wound up taking the shit back again after he died. I mean, he— I was like 50, Prince was like 55. Like, what the fuck?

Yeah, he He was a good guy, in my opinion, and he was helping too many other people and shining a bright light on too much truth, and he couldn't be controlled. And if you can't be controlled in Hollywood and you have that much fame and money, then you need to be dealt with, you know. Look at all the celebrities that have died under suspicious circumstances. Chester Bennington, Chris Cornell, Avicii, Anna Nicole, her son, by the way, as well. Um, the, you know, Brittany Murphy, Whitney Houston, you know, her daughter. Oh, that's a good point. Her daughter too. What are the odds of that? Do we believe that story or both those stories? You know, so when you look at all these celebrities that have died under like suspicious circumstances. Anne H., she's another good example. Did you see the footage of her after her car accident crawling like out of a— out of the gurney?

I didn't see that. No.

Oh, it's the most horrifying thing you've ever seen. And they said that she died in a car crash. They said that she was wasted. But I dug into it, and the last person to see her was this guy that was at she stopped at some costume shop or something, buy some kind of costume. And the last person that saw her, which was like 10 minutes before the accident— we're not talking like an hour, right? The last person saw her said she seemed stone sober. And so she gets in this car accident and there is street footage of her car going like, I don't know, like 70 miles per hour down an alley. It's crazy, right? But as someone that's investigated you know, intelligence files have been dropped by WikiLeaks. Like, I know that the CIA has the capability to remote control your car, and that's one of the ways that they can assassinate someone, right?

So that's when I see those things, and that is very true, by the way. It is true, but they try to paint you as a conspiracy theorist when you're literally stating the facts and stating, listen, I just don't think that this death was a clean death, right? Because people have the capabilities. And if this person has this type of money, right, they're in these conservatorships. Like, people have something to gain off these people being dead.

Well, Anne Heche was doing a lot exposing sex trafficking at the time.

Oh.

And she used to date Ellen DeGeneres.

Oh.

And Ellen DeGeneres has a lot of problems. I think I would say that she has a lot of skeletons in her closet. And it's not just that she's a bitch behind the scenes on her TV set, which she was that too, but she was exposing sex trafficking. She just did a movie, you know, for Lifetime on sex trafficking. But there were some intelligence reports that came out. Now, I don't know if they're true or not, that she was working behind the scenes to take down not just child sex trafficking, but like higher-up elite pedophiles. So that would be an incentive to get rid of her, right? And so, you know, the last person to see her, she seems stone sober. And then you see the car going 7 miles per hour. I know that they have the capability to remote control cars. And then you see the photos from inside the car and it's like all these like mini little bottles of vodka. Look, it looks staged to me, but the most horrifying thing is that the ambulance comes. And there was a news helicopter covering it. This was, you know, in LA, there's always news helicopters flying around. And so they're filming the accident as it happened. And all of a sudden you see, and like, you see like a gurney with like a sheet over it as if it's a dead body, right? All of a sudden you see her pop up and she's crawl, trying to crawl off of it. Like she knows they're trying to kill her. And like, as if she knows, like, oh my gosh, if I get to the hospital, I'm a goner. It's the creepiest thing. Next, you know, and she, then she's dead. And it's like, she was like on the gurney, like wide awake, like trying to like, you know what I think?

I remember that video and I turned it off because it was just like, what the fuck is this? It was like something like a scene from a horror movie.

It was. And it's, and it's, if you, and it was in day, it was daylight. It was broad daylight. And And if you— that's not normal. I'm sorry, I don't care if you're Anne Heche or just a random person. I do remember that.

I do, I do.

And but if you question it, then they call you crazy. And it's like, no, no, it— what I just saw was crazy. So are we gonna believe the mainstream media? Are we gonna believe what they're saying about this, or are you gonna believe what you just saw with your own eyes? Because a woman that's supposed to be dead looked fine and alert and looked to be like fighting for her life trying to get off this gurney because she knew that she'd been targeted, you know. And so it's— there's just so many incidents of celebrities just dying suspicious deaths when, you know, they're— again, they're not pushing a certain narrative or they're they're taking it— they're, they're not allowing their handlers to control them.

Let's talk about Kathy White. Yeah, very— she was a college educated— she was college educated, very beautiful. Um, she ran a PR firm, and it was rumored that she was in a relationship with Jay-Z, right, at the same time he was in a relationship with Beyoncé. Matter of fact, I think he was engaged to Beyoncé, if I'm not mistaken, or if not already married.

I believe they were already married at the time. This is when Beyoncé was pregnant, you know.

I—

well, yeah, we'll get to that part.

Allegedly, I mean, because I see Beyoncé pregnancy, but I'm like, this don't look like no real pregnant woman. Like, the, the, like, how, you know, when you pregnant, your face get fat, your titties get fat, your nose get— Beyoncé look like Beyoncé up here, and then her stomach look—

yeah.

It didn't look— and then she wore wide dresses so you couldn't get a paint of the body.

Well, what about when it deflated? I know. I mean, I'm still trying to— like, how do you— how do you rationalize that? That's again, like, are you going to believe the mainstream media or are you going to believe your eyes? And keep in mind, a lot of the stories that you read about celebrities, guess who the source is? Their publicist.

Yeah, I know.

Okay. It's not like, you know, the source is the publicist. Or damn near the celebrity. Yes. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, sometimes the sources are the celebrity, so like they will just feed lies and lies and lies, and it's the media's job to investigate what the publicist is saying to see if it's true or not.

Yeah.

And but yeah, so I don't know if they were— I thought they were married at the time, I can't remember, but she was definitely pregnant with Blue Ivy.

And yeah, because Kathy died in September. Blue Ivy was born in January of that following year, because I did look that up.

Yeah.

So how did you meet Kathy?

I never met her in person.

Okay.

So what happened is, this is when I was at Star Magazine, and my boss said, hey, you know, I, you know, I want to do this, you know, Jay-Z affair mistress story. Um, he's allegedly having an affair with this woman named Kathy White. Can you find her? Can you get a hold of her? Uh, blah, blah, blah. And I said sure. And, um, so at the time I got a hold of her and she— I was told that she was living in California, but then by the time I got a hold of her, she was in New York working for a company in New York.

And I can't keep talking, I'm Googling something while you say—

I can't remember the name of the company. I know you said that she had her own PR company, but that the company she was working for was not her own company.

Okay.

Because one of the things that stuck out to me the most is I talked to a couple of her colleagues, and one of her colleagues was very chatty, and her colleague was not happy that she was working there. And she'd just been transferred, you know, to New York. I say transferred because I— it was my impression that, that Jay-Z had her moved there.

There.

Oh, that—

because he was— yeah, they— him and Beyoncé had an apartment in New York at the time, and I guess it would be easier.

I, I was— the impression that I was given by multiple sources with was that she wasn't qualified for the job that she got. I, I know it pissed off her colleagues because her one colleague went on and on and on about it, and she's like, you know, it doesn't make any sense that she the position that she's in, like she's not qualified for it. And like, she just came out of nowhere. And I'm like, well, did Jay-Z get her the job? Like, you know, is this like part of their deal or whatever? And she didn't know for sure if that had happened, but she believed that that was highly plausible because it just didn't make sense. She came out of nowhere and she didn't seem to be qualified. And like, the whole thing was just really strange. So she was working for this other company at the time, and I got a hold of her. At her office. And initially when I talked to her on the phone, I said, you know, there's been blogs, the Hollywood Street King, that have reported that, you know, you're Jay-Z's mistress and you've had an affair with him. And she said that she didn't even know him. And I was like, come on. I'm like, so you're saying that you've never even met him? Or— and she's like, no. And then she proceeded to tell me that she'd never even been in the same room as him and she'd never been to one of his concerts. Like nothing. And I was like, all right. And then after we got off the phone, like I did more digging and I found pictures of her with Jay-Z.

Mm.

You know, and one of the pictures was, I believe, her at Tao in Las Vegas at— with, with Diddy as well.

Yeah.

So at that point it's like, like, okay, well, if she's lying about this, that, you know, the fact she's lying about knowing him, obviously, because I have the photos and never even been in the same room. Yeah. So now, so it's like, so she's probably lying about the affair too, right? And so I called her back and I was like, hey, Kathy, I'm like, I have— I'm looking at pictures of you with Jay-Z, you know, you're like at a party with him or a nightclub or whatever, and it's clearly you. And so, you know, I know that met him and you've been in the same room as him and you denied that before. So in back then, at the time, we had sources telling us that yes, they were having an affair and she is his mistress. And so I said, you know, my boss wants to run this story and you can tell your side of it or you cannot tell your side of it, but we're probably going to run the story regardless. And so I said, if you want to tell your story on the record, you can. You could tell off the record, it's up to you, but you know, we're probably going to run this story, um, one way or the other, and it, you know, it's your choice. But I know that at the minimum, like, you've been in the same room as him because of these photos, and then you lied about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and at that point she just, you know, was like, all right, you know. And she wasn't denying, you know, okay, yeah, like, I was in the photos. At that point, she was like, she knew that, that she was busted, right? And so she was like, okay, yeah, yeah, um, let me think about it. Let me think about doing an interview with you. And so she was considering doing the interview with me, and it would— and, you know, after I brought the photos, she didn't say, oh well, you know, I was at this party with him, but, you know, I'm not his mistress. You know, there was none of that. It was just All right, how did Claudia Jordan's name get in there? And with who? With her?

With Kathy? Because I know you, you stated in one of your tweets that, uh, Kathy had told you— did you say that Kathy had told you that she was friends with Claudia Jordan, or—

no, but I think it—

I—

no, but there's been other reports about Claudia in other blogs and stuff like that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah.

So I was trying to figure out, because I knew they were in pictures together and I was trying to figure out how you got in. Like, how did you come to that, that knowledge? Or even if you did, because, you know, no, I didn't— that there's so many different versions out there.

Yeah. I never, I never talked to Claudia. I've never met her. I never— I don't think I even tried to reach out to her.

Okay.

Um, but, but yeah, there, I mean, there was a blind item in Crazy Days and Nights saying that that, you know, that, you know, it was a blind item. So it was like, you know, the mistress of this, you know, A+ rapper, um, like her best friend believes that she was murdered years later, and then the blind item was revealed, and it was revealed that the best friend was Claudia Jordan according to Crazy Days and Nights.

Okay.

And so that's why I, you know— okay, Crazy Days and Nights is usually pretty, pretty solid. They usually I mean, they've been over the target for many years and ahead of the curve on a lot of these stories for, for years.

So, um, well, shout out to Crazy Days and Nights.

Yeah, they're right. So they, yeah, they published that blind item in I think 2021. So, you know, um, so yeah, no, I never talked to her and I just talked to Kathy. And, um, so she was thinking about doing the story and the next thing I know I'm trying to get a hold of her and I can't. And again, this is before cell phones. Most people didn't have cell phones back then. And so I'm like, I kept trying to call her work and, you know, so I called her colleagues and I said, do you know what's going on with Kathy? This is so weird, you know, I haven't heard from her. She usually answered her phone. And her— the one colleague I got a hold of first was like, yeah, she's dead. And I was like, what? And she's like, yeah, she's, she's dead. I'm like, what do you mean she's dead? You know, like, what happened? Like, was she sick? Was there something wrong with her? And she said she was just— she was— she's like, I heard that she was just found in her apartment dead, and, and they didn't know what had happened, you know. And so at that point in time, like, that was very disturbing for me to hear. Because, you know, intuitively I'm like, oh, you know, there's something more going on here.

They said it was a brain aneurysm.

Yeah, they said it was a brain aneurysm. She was 28. She was healthy from what I've been told.

Um, she was a fitness—

and, you know, initially, like, you know, there were sources saying that police did believe that it could have been a homicide, and there were signs of that at the scene, and And the next thing you know, it's the coroner lists it as an aneurysm. And I remember telling my boss, I'm like, I think she was murdered. Like this, there's way too many red flags here with the story that aren't adding up. And then, and then there was other blogs like reporting that I, and I didn't, blogs that I had not spoken to, by the way, I wasn't talking to anyone. And there were other blogs reporting that. That, you know, a reporter from a tabloid, you know, reached out to her and she was considering like doing, uh, telling her story with this reporter. Well, they were talking about me, and so I don't know who their sources were. I found that out because I didn't talk to them, but Kathy must have told some of her friends that she had talked to me and then the next thing, so it was, you know, it's getting around. And then some of these blogs reported that what happened after I talked to her on the phone is that she went to Jay-Z and said that I reached out to her and she told him that she was considering doing the story. And then some other people wrote and/or speculated that she gave Jay-Z kind of an ultimatum, like, you know, give me X amount of dollars or else I'm gonna tell this story. Now, I, I can't prove that because I was never told that by anyone, but I read that, you know, on some of these blogs. And, you know, they, they, they did have it right about my part of the story, you know, me reaching out to her.

So obviously the rest had to be right.

So, so I don't know who they talked to. Um, and so, you know, you know, there were so many red flags with this death. Like, none of it made made sense. And, you know, and, and I told my boss at the time, this is, this is, this is shady, you know, like, this doesn't add up. I think that this could be him. And I'm like, we need— I'm like, we need to pursue this. Like, we need to investigate this more, investigate this, you know, find out what really happened to her. And he didn't, he didn't want me to pursue it. He didn't want the magazine to pursue it was really weird, you know. And then the coroner came out and said it was an aneurysm. And yeah, anyways, but then over the years I met with other sources that were kind of on the inside of this, so to speak, and they told me that they were very confident that she was indeed murdered. And they had more information on what went down behind the scenes. And they told me that it's their very strong belief based off of the information that they were able to gather. Again, these are people that were on the inside that Jay-Z, you know, potentially hired someone to fuck her. And they went into detail explaining to me how people like Jay-Z are able to commit crimes very easily because they have law enforcement in their pocket, they have coroners in their pocket, they pay people off. I was told that to pay a coroner off to list something or rule something as a natural death, like an aneurysm, as opposed to a murder, like, they, they're like, oh, like $1,000, like $2,000. Just a few thousand, like nothing, like chump change. And so it's always been my opinion that she did not die from an aneurysm, and it's always been my opinion that she was most likely murdered. And I do remember the time thinking he already— he had a bunch of mistresses back then, by the way. A bunch.

And there was one that came out, she made a music video. She's a blogger now, but she threw shots at Beyoncé because she was— she said, I'm Jay-Z. And like, I can't remember her name. Shit, she made a whole music video just dissing Beyoncé and was talking about being a mistress of Jay-Z. I mean, beautiful girl, she looked Native American. This was probably like 10 years ago.

Okay, so that would have been like 2015.

Yeah. Yeah. So I can't think of her name right now. It'll come to me.

But, um, well, when my story came out about Kathy, it just was a blurb in a bigger story because obviously she didn't do the interview and my boss didn't want to pursue if this was a potential homicide or not, which really bothered me and has eaten away at me.

Like, he had something to do with it? Like Yeah, he knew.

I wanted to investigate this. To me, this was— maybe he got a call to be like, well, that's what I wonder that as well. I wonder, I wonder that.

So, you know, there's been— that's, that's crazy. There's been speculation that Jay-Z is Beyoncé's handler. And I got this from a very, very, very credible source. And allegedly, like, you know, Jay-Z is 10 years older than Beyoncé. And, you know, he— if Aaliyah was still alive, there would be no Beyoncé. And so, like, when we see Beyoncé go on tour, let's say, for example, Jay-Z is the one negotiating those tours. Beyoncé doesn't have a deal with Live Nation. Jay-Z does. She has to go through Jay-Z to get major deals, tour deals, and things like that. Even her Verizon deal. And to see that she's worked more than Jay-Z, longer than Jay-Z, and she still hasn't made Forbes.

Right. I've never looked at it that way, but that makes a lot of sense.

Never made Forbes. This lady is on tour every, if not every other year, every other 2 years. She's always dropping albums. He hasn't dropped an album in—

I know.

Since what, his Confessional? You know, when she made Formation and everybody knew what Formation was. It was kind of like her way of standing up. And even when I listened to her country album, like 16 Carriages, it's like that, that song is like she's lost a lot of her life because she went from her father to Jay-Z.

Yeah, that would make perfect sense. And it actually—

those are just my opinions.

Well, and it also helps me like put puzzle pieces together with what may have happened with Kathy because I do remember the time thinking there are several women that are having affairs with Jay-Z. And again, like, the Kathy story ended up just being a blurb in a bigger story about another woman he had an affair with and allegedly a love child with. And, and I guarantee you that that story was accurate because, like I mentioned earlier, Star Magazine, like, they, they'll collect DNA, like, the stuff they do to verify a story like that, like they, they can't have a story like that on Jay-Z not being true, right?

Picture real quick. Go ahead.

So, but now this baby mama didn't go on the record. Okay, okay. And keep in mind, this is before there was TikTok, and there were, there were a ton of blogs. Like, most people are still getting all their celebrity news from just the magazines. And so you, you have to understand that whatever, whatever the magazine said, like, carried the most weight, and they either uplift a celebrity or it can just crash the whole world with one issue, right? What is this?

We're trying to figure out who that little girl is with Jay-Z.

Are you talking about Blue Ivy?

The other little girl.

Oh, um, yeah, that, that could be. So yeah, the, um, yeah, one of the baby mamas, she was living in Trinidad. His name was Chanel Scott, I believe. I can get you the article.

Oh yes, please.

See, this is another thing. A lot of our stories were only in the magazines. We didn't put them online, so that story isn't online, but I have the magazine so I can show it to you.

Yeah, because we're trying to figure out who is this little girl with, um—

yeah, that could—

that she looks like Blue Ivy.

Yeah, I know that, you know, I heard that the one in Trinidad, I believe that they would go there often to visit.

Yeah.

But so, you know—

And Beyoncé knows about these, these kids. But only her kids are, I guess, because I guess her kids are claimed publicly as Carters. No one else can be claimed publicly.

Yeah, because they're Carter. Because according to the other story we did, and I didn't work directly on this story, the other mistress that has a love child with Jay-Z, allegedly, I didn't work on that story, but the reporters that did reported that, you know, she was paid, you know, very well to basically shut up, you know, and not say anything bad about them and not acknowledge that, you know, she had an affair or this is Jay-Z's kid or whatever, because it would devalue Beyoncé. Well, that's what— yes, and that's what I'm about to get to, is that back then it's like, okay, he's all these mistresses, but like, why would he— how would he fuck Kathy? He has a bunch, right? He can't fuck all your mistresses. And like, what would be the incentive? And when I was first interviewing— or not in— not interviewing, because I never officially interviewed her— but when I first started just calling her, telling her I wanted to interview her, um, what I didn't realize at the time is that Beyoncé was pregnant.

Pregnant.

The news had not broken yet.

That would make a good We Can't Have a Mistress and Beyoncé.

So, and I also didn't realize that they were crafting one of the biggest publicity stunts to announce Beyoncé's pregnancy on stage at the VMAs. You know, it's her performance at the very end, she turned— oh look, oh my God, she's a baby bump! She's pregnant! Like, no, I didn't even know, and I was like working in the business. I did not know she was pregnant.

So then this was like a few months after—

no, I was talking to Kathy before the announcement.

Yeah, so it's like—

so when I'm talking with Kathy and, and Jay-Z and/or Beyoncé's PR army is planning one of the biggest publicity stunts to announce her pregnancy, which that's a big deal for a celebrity because that's going to get you like great press for the next like 2 years, right? Oh, like, you know, like getting ready for baby and, you know, we did tons of baby covers.

But a mistress coming out. So that's possibly pregnant.

So that's the thing.

Talk about it, Liz.

So that's the thing. And that's when I was like, oh.

Cheers. Oh my God, this is so chipsy. Cheers. Like you're not even drinking, girl. I'm drinking for you. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Well, go ahead.

Listen.

And so that's the thing. I was thinking, And I, I, I'm pretty sure that she died before Beyoncé did.

Yes, she did.

Yes, but she did. But there are reports that, that she was found after the VMA performance. But I'm pretty sure that she— I knew she was dead before Beyoncé announced that she was pregnant.

I'm pretty—

I know it was 15 years ago. I could have that wrong, but I do remember thinking Why would there be a major motive to this mistress? Yes, if she's gonna— if she's gonna give me an exclusive on the record, that's a huge problem because none of them had at that point in time. But then I'm like, why? Like, why would— why would there be an incentive to her? And then I remember thinking that, and then I watched the VMAs and it's Oh boy, what did you say to your boss then?

What did you say to your boss then? Like, this is you. I mean, even if you don't have absolute concrete facts at the time, just to put it together, like, just to say, okay, I'm not saying it's him, but there's a lot of elements to—

there's a lot of questions.

Yeah, like, okay, she— you, you talk to her, Kathy White. She said she didn't know Jay-Z, never seen him, never been in a room with him. You call her back, here's some pictures, y'all in the room together. So we, we pretty much know. Are you gonna talk or are we gonna have to run with it? I think she had a conversation with Jay-Z. There's no way that she did not have a conversation with Jay-Z.

And here's the other thing of dinner, allegedly, like, yeah, things are different now, but back then it was very different, right? They they could not have a story like this overshadowing the publicity stunt they'd been planning probably for years, probably for years, knowing like how these publicists work. They could not have anything overshadowing it or dominating the news. That would be devastating to the public image back then. Because back then, like, you know, the, the stories we did do about Jay-Z, like, they— I think a lot of people just kind of like, I don't know, because there was no one that went on the record, you know. But if this woman went on the record and we got her, we would have made her take a polygraph test and pass it, and, you know, and all that stuff. Evidence, you know, show, like, send me text messages, like all the fair stories I ever did. I had get like phone records, text messages, emails, like, like physical proof that happened, not just your word, right? And, and we would have done that if she was willing to tell her story, which she was considering. That would have dominated the news, not the fact that Beyoncé was pregnant. And that would have been devastating to them at the time because the culture was a little bit different. You know, I remember when Jesse James was having an affair on Sandra Bullock, you know, everyone was like, oh yeah, Sandra Bullock, girl next door, yay, she finally— you know, like, I think she— they end up getting married, I believe they were married, and then he had an affair. And that was like one of the— that was In Touch Weekly broke that story, and that was like one of the biggest bestsellers for In Touch Weekly ever. And it— and that story dominated the headlines for like months. So if this— you know, now it's like people hear about affairs and it's like people like don't even flinch. But back then, these things were really scandalous. So that would have been absolutely devastating for their brand, and they knew that.

I'm telling you, like, the sources that I have, like, like, just even talk— let's, let's talk about the alleged lawsuits that Jay-Z has settled, like, under Roc Nation for sexual harassment, sexual assault, for the— for the, the— is it 40/40 Club or 4/4 Club? Yeah, the nightclub. There was alleged lawsuits that he settled there for alleged R'ing women and stuff. And even like the allegations surrounding Foxy Brown. You know, like, I think, I don't know what his game plan is gonna be when they come to collect, because they're coming to collect. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if Beyoncé is leverage because she is right now the moneymaker, her and Taylor Swift. They're making the most money in the music industry. No one is making money like them. I don't know if that gives him kind of an umbrella or a shell if he stays connected to that. I was told that this particular album, it wasn't even supposed to be named Cowboy Carter. This was a last-minute decision. This was supposed to be her finally stating on record that her and Jay-Z are not together. Hmm. Who buys? Liz, come on now. You a journalist. I'm a news personality. I talk to people every day that deal in Hollywood. When they bought that second house in LA after owning a house that's over $100 million, you and Beyoncé together are only worth, um, a billion together, right? And then you go and buy another home for $200 million that's like 40 minutes away. Why would you have two houses that are worth that much, right? That's almost half of your net worth, right, in the same city. I can understand you owning a house in New Orleans or New York, but in the same city 40 minutes away? You remember when they announced that they bought that second house?

No. When was it?

It was, uh, hold on for a second. Hold on, I'll tell you exactly when it was. I think it was like 2 years ago. So, and they said Jay-Z and Beyoncé buy second home, but they never sold the first one. The first one is almost— I, I want to say $175 million. And at this time, they weren't even worth close to $600 million together. So you go and buy a house that's half your net worth, and then you go buy another house, uh, that's down the street, 40 minutes away, that's worth $200 million, that's just as gorgeous, just as big as the first one. That, to me, plain as day, that is a separation.

I mean, sometimes celebrity couples will get a place 40 minutes away that's in Malibu on the ocean. So that's like, you know, their, their beach home that's 30 minutes away.

And this is—

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Yeah.

And 30,000 square feet, $200 million, and their other house that's 40 minutes away is $200 million. Yeah, that's— that to me is not vacation house. You don't buy a vacation house that's worth more than your—

it is bizarre.

Regularly.

And TMZ is the absolute worst.

I know they're the absolute worst, but I'm just like, when I saw that, I was just like—

Just assume everything that they post is directly coming from their publicist or like Jay-Z himself. Just forget.

Don't even get me started with Harvey Weinstein because I mean, not Harvey Weinstein, but Harvey Levin. Harvey Levin. Oh, don't get me started. You know, it's Hollywood. He's a gay man. Ain't no telling what parties he's been to, allegedly. Let's not get into that. Okay. But yeah, it just makes you wonder like, okay, what are you feeding? And when you hear 16 Carriages, she is directly stating that her entire life— she recorded this album years ago, but her entire life, summers, her whole life has been taken away from her. She wants freedom. And now Jay-Z is all of a sudden the name of the album is Cowboy Carter. And he's traveling. When I tell you—

What a narcissist.

Everywhere. Everywhere with her. She stopped posting pictures of her anniversary years ago.

She's the next slave princess. She's like Britney. She's trapped. She probably can't get out, and she knows it. And she knows if she tries to get out, they'll do to her what they did to Britney Spears. Because any musician with that level of fame and power, they will not let you go.

It's not working. He ain't really got no artists under Roc Nation. What does he own? Like, think about it. Like, when you look at Jay-Z's— yeah, okay, the Ace of Spades champagne. What else does Jay-Z own? He don't own no ball team, right? Like, they were trying to say that he owned the ball team. No. Like, right, that stuff, that's all— he's like, you know how you buy shares into something? You buy shares into it. But I'm talking about true, like, money. Like, he— it's on Beyoncé's ass like everywhere that she goes. And yes, my husband follows me too, but this is, this is together. We, we're together, we're a team. But that, I'm like, he ain't worked in years. Like, she is slaving. How do you just get off tour and you're about to announce another tour?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he's on, uh, was it the Grammys? On the stage now all of a sudden trying to take up for like this young lady. Has worked hard and she still hasn't been given Album of the Year? How do you have the most Grammys? Yes, how does she have the most Grammys? Why do you need this Album of the Year, right? Why is it so important, right? So now you want to come for Taylor Swift's spot and enter country? I want to see how these ticket sales are gonna go. I really do.

You know, you asked what does Jay-Z own? Well, it sounds like people, that part, you know.

It's true though, but I'm just like, what does Beyoncé is clearly her own artist.

Yeah.

Why did— why doesn't she have a direct deal with Live Nation?

He's not gonna let her go. There's no way. He could absolutely hate her and he still would not let her go. Like I said early in the show, these people, all they care about is money and fame, specifically the handlers. There are a lot of people in Hollywood that are just pure victims and they're slaves. And they can't get out of it even though they want to. She went from her daddy—

she went from her daddy to Jay-Z doing the same thing that her dad did to her mother and Jay-Z is doing to her.

Yeah, yeah. And so many celebrities have been through it.

And you know what, Matthew never speaks on Jay-Z ever. He talks about everybody else, but he never says anything about Jay-Z.

Well, money talks, right? And money keeps a lot of people quiet as well, you know?

Yeah. Diddy, and I don't want to spend too much shit time on this real quick, and then I want to talk about your legal issues and shit because they came after you hard. They're coming after me. Kevin Hart's whole empire is coming after me. They're mad. I have a direct personal assistant on record stating the very things that was speculation in the news, saying I was there, I saw it, here it go. That's who he gave it to. Boom, boom, boom. Let's talk about Diddy. Now, did you— what were some of the things that you, I guess, came across as your time as a journalist working for these publications about Diddy? Like, anything?

I never heard back then that he— I never heard any allegations against him that he, you know, was involved in trafficking or sexual abuse. I mean, I did hear a lot of rumors about not just him but other musicians potentially being gay, but in terms of, you know, potentially running a trafficking ring for potentially the purposes of blackmail, I definitely never heard that when I was in the business.

Um, you know, so do you think this is something that's new? Um, like maybe it kind of evolved over time.

Yeah. Well, so if you look at Jeffrey Epstein— Jeffrey Epstein, I believe his operation started in the late '90s. And when I say his operation, I'm not just talking about the child sex trafficking. I'm talking about the blackmail operation that he was running for intelligence agencies like the CIA, Mossad. Oh, so, and what he was doing is basically sounds like what Diddy allegedly is doing as well. I mean, very similar.

So you believe that the Department of Homeland Security went and raided his houses because they were going to extract shit? Well, in order for it to not be found? Well, like when they heard it was cameras all over them houses, go get them.

Like, I— there's a lot of people that, you know, I get it, a lot of people are really frustrated, like me more than anyone else, because I, I focus on exposing elite rings, right? There's a lot of people super frustrated, and, you know, they'll say things like, you know, when are we gonna get the Epstein list? And like, like, we'll never see it. And, you know, you know, we had Jeffrey Epstein You know, he was arrested and then, you know, you know, committed. And then Ghislaine Maxwell as well. And that's it. And but we know that the ring was massive. So there should be dozens, if not hundreds, maybe thousands of co-conspirators and clients. And people, you know, think that he was just kind of used as the fall guy and she was the fall girl and everyone else is protected. And, you know, rogue law enforcement intelligence, FBI, you know, Homeland Security, you name it, is protecting all the other people in the ring. I don't believe that. I'm more optimistic. I think that there are definitely really bad elements in the three-letter agencies, in law enforcement. I know that for a fact because I've been the target of a lot of their bullshit, right? But I also know that there's a— there's really good people people in positions of great power that are working behind the scenes to take down these pedophiles and to break up these ranks. So I am very optimistic that this isn't just, you know, wag the dog, or, you know, like, let's have Diddy be the fall guy, or let's pretend like we're raiding his home and we're not really gonna do it. I don't believe that.

You think that?

And, and maybe there are bad people in the deep state, the cabal, you know, law enforcement, whatever, that are trying to make that happen. But I don't think they're going to succeed. I think that the good guys are going to outsmart them and we're gonna see this out— this— we're gonna see this thing unfold and play out over the next few years. But going back to your original question, I, I'm comparing Epstein's ring to Diddy's because they have very similar markers, right?

Like He's the Black Jeffrey Epstein.

Right, there's a song, like Jimmy Levy, like Jimmy Levy's doing a song, did a song on that, like Epstein. But, um, down to cameras in the toilet. Jeffrey Epstein had cameras in his toilet. So did Diddy, allegedly, from what I've read in my research, she did too. And I mean, think of— so think about that level of surveillance. And, and by the way, like creepiness, like how creepy is it that there, there's a camera in the toilet. That's, that's disgusting. So Epstein's ring started in the, like, late '90s, I'd say, because when you go through the court transcripts and the depositions from, you know, um, victims and witnesses and whatnot, he never had any of the girls over that were trafficked until Ghislaine. Came into the picture. And who was Ghislaine's father? Her father was Robert Maxwell, who was a massage super spy. So who was—

talked about that, like, so who was really running the show?

Was it Jeffrey or was it Ghislaine? I'm putting my money on Ghislaine, right?

It was Ghislaine. Her father, she did the same thing for her father, right?

So yeah, so now, so this is in the late '90s, right? Okay, so There is another woman that barely anyone in mainstream media has talked about. Her name is Rachel Chandler. Now, she is allegedly another Ghislaine Maxwell, except worse, for Jeffrey Epstein. She allegedly trafficked the younger victims, the children, for Jeffrey Epstein. This woman's evil, and she's dark, and she was running a modeling agency that many believe, including myself, that was just a front for child sex trafficking and/or human trafficking. And that all the models, which if you look at the model pictures from the website, they all look malnourished. I mean, they all look like trafficking victims. Like, these, these people look— they do not look well at all. So this started coming out in, I think it was 2018, about Rachel Chandler. And a lot of people were buzzing about her, and a lot of people were exposing her connections to Epstein and Bill Clinton and the ring and whatnot. And she just disappeared, you know, like, she didn't deny anything, she didn't sue anyone, she just like, like disappeared. She has been photographed in public forever. Now, she was very close with all the top celebrities. And there's—

when you say top, how top we talking?

Diddy.

Oh, shit.

So she was photographed with Diddy when she was still 14. So I believe that Diddy and his alleged sex trafficking ring could have been a part of Jeffrey Epstein's ring because there's connections there.

Listen, I've said it my last show on Diddy. He is the Black Jeffrey Epstein. Comparing the cases, the allegations, even— I am the only, only publication that has a sex worker of Diddy's, a male escort on record stating the things that Diddy made him do, paid him to do.

When, when, when are your sources saying that a lot of this nefarious alleged sex trafficking started taking place? Because what could have happened—

he's been on Diddy's payroll for about 10 years.

Okay, because what could have— I'm just theorizing here for all the fake news places they're going to write hit pieces. But I don't care. I'm used to it.

Me too. So here's— then they come back and be like, when I put out that Wendy Williams had dementia, they— her whole team was like, she's lying. She's good. She's good. Now in a documentary, oh, she has dementia. I was the only publication that put out that Wendy had dementia. What?

Yeah.

Years before it came out. Now all of a sudden they're like, oh, she calling herself Wendy Hunter. She don't know where she at. That takes years to develop. It doesn't happen overnight.

No, it doesn't.

Yeah. Fake news. We'll say it's fake. All of it's fake.

It is fake.

Okay. Keep your lawsuits away. All of it's fake. Let's go. Let's go ahead and go.

So I research elite rings for a living. So there's like, I've seen your research. There's all different kinds of rings, right? So there's like rings with like really, really high profile people, like some of the most powerful people in the world. And then there's like smaller rings with like like elite people, but we're not talking like billionaires and just maybe millionaires, right? So, and, and, you know, they're, they're regional and like they have their codes and, you know, their ways of transporting people and whatever. But I do wonder if, because there's connections between Diddy and that circle with Jeffrey Epstein's circle, I wonder if in 2000 2006, they— that's when they first raided Epstein's home because he was arrested twice, right? He was arrested, um, you know, for sex trafficking and/or, you know, you know, like sexual acts with a minor. He was given a slap on the wrist. His house was raided in 2006. I think that he was charged then too, and then, you know, he was thrown in jail for a year and a half, but it was a very cushy deal. But I'm wondering if potentially they moved his operation into the hands of someone house, like Diddy. I mean, I'm just theorizing. I'm just theorizing here, but like, there was a spotlight on him, you know, after the first time he got arrested. So maybe people— and because these— let's be, let's be honest here, these rings, they're sophisticated. And cameras and toilets, these are not— some of these rings are very sophisticated.

Is this the sophistication level? Is it to blackmail people in powerful positions? Is that what it's for? So did he host these type of parties in order to get leverage over these people to stay rich?

Yes.

Because it's like, how do you continue to take out— who takes out 8 mortgages?

Blackmail rules the day, you know, and this has been going on forever. The— I mean, you have all these different intelligence agencies from all over the world and they're all running blackmail operations, and they all, you know, their, their agents come here and our agents go there. And, you know, they recruit assets and from people and traffickers and pedophiles to run blackmail operations. That's the best way to control someone is through blackmail.

And so it's not that Diddy— I mean, because even though I did hear from the second— I mean, Diddy is pretty brutal. I mean, the drugs, he would go in what they call like ketamine holes or K-holes, allegedly from all the drugs that he was doing and stuff. But, um, you ask yourself and like, just to hear you speak, it's like all the stuff that I'm getting like over the years from sources like Diddy taking out 8 mortgages on 2 houses. Now, you know, you've owned a house, right? How many mortgages they let you take out? Probably no more than what, 1 or 2?

Yeah.

8?

Yeah.

And they just keep giving you money like they just push the loan through knowing that you do not have the money, right? To pay for these houses. And so, and you wonder, like, because all the royalties, like, um, that he had stole from all of his artists, that he had gave back to his artists and put his artists on NDAs saying that they couldn't, like, do interviews and stuff or, or pieces on him, like, they had dried up. So Diddy was broke. Deleon, I mean, he wasn't— the type of money that Deleon, or the company that was, uh, marketing Deleon and distributing Deleon as well as Ciroc, they weren't giving him that type of money. Like, he, he was essentially broke, living off of loans. And how would you go and, and continue to get loans and continue to— and how are you getting this money to host these parties? What is the, what is the reason for hosting these parties? And it makes you think it's for leverage.

Well, yeah, it's always for leverage, you know.

They—

did you— are you familiar with The House of Hammer?

Yes.

Did you watch it?

I couldn't get through All of it.

Okay, but you know, but basically it's about Armie Hammer. It's just another, yes, predator type that basically was very sexually abusive with the girls that he was dating, physically abusive as well.

And that's— it's like Diddy, it's the same thing.

Like, and he was also telling them that he was a cannibal and he wanted to eat them. Yeah, like literally he was looking for a surgeon to remove one of the girls he was dating. He wanted he was looking for a surgeon that would remove one of her ribs so he could barbecue it and eat it.

Yeah. So I don't think I got that part.

Yeah.

I mean, but you know what it makes me think? Because I was just reading— damn, I cannot remember this author's name, but he just had a New York Times bestseller on cannibalism. Like how popular. Let me read it. Let me, let me pull it up because I was just— and I was going to order the book because I'm like, why would he be writing about Oh, because they're trying to normalize this stuff now. Yes, they're trying to normalize it. Cannibalism and how popular it is and how I'm like, so who is finding people to eat?

Well, Chrissy Teigen was just gross.

You know what I'm saying?

So, but getting back to Armie Hammer, his—

Bill Shutt.

Do you know the name of the book?

Cannibalism.

Just Cannibalism?

A Perfectly Natural History. A perfectly natural history. You know how they have all these fad diets and shit? He's trying to introduce cannibalism as a fad. Like, oh, you can eat keto, you can get superpowers.

Well, it's not just him. There's like, there's like, there's— this is the cabal, you know? They're trying to normalize pedophilia. They've been trying to normalize cannibalism. Like, they, they've been doing this for years. If you're paying attention, if you read articles about cannibalism and pedophilia over the past last, you know, 10 years, you'll see that they're trying to normalize all this stuff. But back to, um, Armie— like, speaking— yeah, back to the cannibal. Um, his grandfather— it was either his great-grandfather or his grandfather— was a really powerful oil guy, like, just like filthy rich back in the day. His name was Armand Hammer, right? Well, guess what he was running? Another blackmail operation. He was best friends with like, you know, members of the royal family and presidents and just some of the most powerful people in the world. And he would secretly record all of them, and he was running surveillance on all these people. So like, you know, and, you know, and there is the— that whole family is a mess. Like, they were in a dark occult type stuff as well, and there's, you know, child sexual abuse, all kinds of abuse.

Everybody in the family got cancer, right?

Yeah, I know, right? But But, you know, he was— he was— and I remember when I was watching that, I'm like, wow, so like there's like all these mini like Epstein-type rings where there's all these powerful people that are, are running surveillance operations. And let me tell you, most of them aren't doing that them alone. Most of them are working for an intelligence agency. The question is, who is it? Mossad? Is it the CIA? You know, is it MI6? Like, who are they working for? Like, that's the bigger question. But most of these people aren't doing this on their own, and they're not smart enough and/or sophisticated enough to do this stuff on their own. What was happening to Britney Spears? Go to, go back to Lou Taylor and, you know, who's tied to Diddy. And by the way, the woman that worked under Lou Taylor, Robin Greenhill, she was the one, according to court records, that was paying Diddy's sex workers for him because he's one of their clients right now. Who do they work with? They worked with, or they still do, I believe, a firm called Black Box Security. Well, who founded it? A guy that's former Israeli intelligence, Eden Yemini. What did he do to Britney Spears? He ran illegal surveillance on Britney. In her bathroom, in her bedroom. This person was supposed to be protecting her. He, like, they were supposed to be her security. And this was even in the New York Times. This is not fake. They can't say fake news on this because even the New York Times acknowledged it. It was, it was actually a good story. But they were running surveillance on Brittany. Do you, do you see, like, the, the dots connecting here? You know, and so I'm telling you, most people that have their houses, you know, bugged, bugged like that— I mean, Playboy, hello. Do you think Hugh Hefner was just some pervy dude that like had a popular magazine?

He had intelligence on some of the biggest names, right?

But he, he was secretly recording. He was doing the same thing. He was secretly recording all these powerful people, just like Diddy, just like Epstein, just like Armand Hammer. You think he was acting alone? No. Or was he working in conjunction with possibly, I don't know, the CIA or another intelligence agency? This has been going on for years. It's just, you know, it seemed very far-fetched to most people just a few years ago.

And now it's— but it's more very much a reality, right?

It is. And I think that— I, I think there's going to be a lot more exposure on everyone that was involved in this ring and/or Epstein's ring. And maybe, maybe Diddy's ring is a part of that ring. There's, there's definitely connections. I found connections. But I think there's going to be a lot more exposure this year that's going to come out about this ring and other people and who was involved, what was really going on. And it's dark and it's, it's messed up and it's gonna really freak people out, but it's time that people face this.

And you just ask yourself, like, why is every— almost every big name attached, attached to some massive bullshit? It's like— and you know, I was— I was— when I was talking to Ashley Massey, um, Kory and Kyle's mom, she was like, Black Hollywood is like so small. You can name on two hands how many Black celebrities there are right now. White Hollywood is extensive, but as far as Black Hollywood— so when you hear, it's like, it could seem like the people that we— Bill Cosby, Diddy, Jay-Z, I mean, the list goes on. All of them are, are connected or interconnected somehow with this because they all run in the same circles. And then when you see Jay-Z canceling events that he's had religiously for years, you know?

Right.

Diddy is not there. Him and Diddy were like this. Kanye, what happened to him and Kanye? Like, what is going on? It seems like the only one that's playing by the rules is Jay-Z thus far. And it's because he has something as leverage. He has something that's like worth so much. That's leverage. It's Beyoncé, right? You have Beyoncé.

Probably is that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Very good point.

And so I know, and you know, we've been here 3 hours, right? And I hate to keep you this long, but Liz, I'm like, if I get you in, I gotta get you in because they don't tell them when you coming back. What are some of the things that you've gone through exposing this level of information over the years? Because I see your videos, they try to label you as crazy. Yeah, they try to label you as some lunatic a conspiracy theorist, that's not a real journalist. I'm sitting here with you today, you're barely even drinking. You're— it's not like you're saying, oh, I know that this has happened. This is like, you're like, there's definitely a correlation between these two things.

Yes.

You're not stating it as a fact. Like, you're, you're speaking how trained journalists speak. Like, you can't say for a fact because you're never there. However, just putting this together, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck.

It's called common sense.

Yes. You have gotten so much backlash over the years. They have banned you almost from social media.

Yeah, they've banned me almost everywhere. I mean, name a platform, I've been banned. Twitter, I've been— I was banned on Twitter for 5 years.

Are you banned on Twitter?

Well, I'm—

When Twitter— Elon let you back in? Elon let me back in.

Thanks, spaceman. Elon let me back in, but they banned me in 2018, and so I was banned for 5 years. So, uh, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, um, I never even used Venmo, like, really ever. Never asked people to donate to me on Venmo.

That's okay.

I just— when I just wake up, I'm banned from Venmo. I'm like, what did I do? Like, I don't even use it. Like, banned from Venmo, banned from PayPal. I like any business I set up, but they shut it down. I had stores on Shopify, stores on Etsy, like to the point where they wouldn't even let me sell a t-shirt that read Child Lives Matter. So they've shut— Buy Me a Coffee, I mean, Instagram, name a platform, I have been banned from that. I think I'm the one of the most banned people in the country.

I thought Alex Jones had you beat though.

I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't have a nice studio like he does. He's definitely living much larger than I am. And let me tell you, if they don't want you to live large, they will make sure you do not live large, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I do.

You know, and so, so yeah, I've been banned everywhere. And, you know, when I first started exposing elite rings and Pizzagate in 2016, that's when the hit pieces started. Um, actually it was before I started covering Pizzagate. I did— there was one story that I did in 2016 where I went too deep, and that— this is when I was working for the New York Observer. So in 20— like late 2015, 2016, like in— there was a time period for a few years where I wrote my novel Malice. So a lot of the stuff that I've been talking about, I— it's in my novel, but it's, it's, um fiction inspired by true events. So if people want to check it out, it's on Amazon.

No, we're going to link all that.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, but I— but one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about exposing, you know, child sex trafficking is because I was a victim of a sexual assault.

Oh, wow.

Where I almost died.

Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. And, um, it was horrible. And, you know, it was someone I was in what I thought was, you know, loving and, you know, um, committed relationship, and it didn't turn out to be that. And it was abusive relationship, and, um, I was abused in multiple ways, including sexually. And long story short, his, um, the sexual assault that was committed against me, um, I almost died from what happened to me, long story short. So I wasn't able to work for years, and it was rough. So during that time period, I worked on my book and I wrote my novel and I started, you know, picking up the pieces. But after that happened to me and after I figured out like everything that happened to me, that's when I decided to become an advocate, you know, for sex crime victims. And so I started, you know, doing, you know, charity work and whatnot for victims and become an advocate. And fast forward to 2015, 2016, the election's getting really exciting. And so I wanted to get back into reporting, but not Hollywood, not gossip. I was so over all that stuff. I just, I wanted to do like investigative pieces and cover politics and, you know, and so I started doing that and I was working for Town Hall and the New York Observer and my stories were going viral. I mean, they would get millions of views. They'd be, you know, they'd be on the front page of Drudge, which is like the main hub where everyone went to get their political news. They, they, I was becoming a star in that field. And then I did an investigative piece exposing how Hillary Clinton's campaign was stealing money from her poor donors. So they were running this money fraud scheme on her campaign that involved a bunch of the big banks. And, and I had people on the record, I had receipts, I had, I had everything to prove it was true. And I worked on the story for a very long time. And it was a very explosive story. So the story comes out, it goes crazy viral, and you have a lot of really high-profile people sharing the story. And at first I was really excited. I'm like, oh, this is great, my story is doing so well. And then I was like, oh, it is about Hillary Clinton, it's doing a little bit too well. And then I started getting nervous. I had a really bad feeling, and I'm like, they're, they're gonna start messing with me. Like, I went— I poked the bear too much. And the next thing I know, my dog was poisoned and, um, he went to anaphylactic shock and he almost died. And I was able to get him to the animal hospital, um, in enough time where he didn't die. But the Clintons have a track record for killing pets. They've done it before to people that have blown the whistle on them. It's nothing new for them. So I was very worried when the story is starting so big about my dogs. I had a feeling that they would either come after me or my dog, and that's exactly what happened. My dog survived, but that was the first really threatening thing that happened to me. And I know that— I know how they operate. I know that was meant to be, here's your warning shot. Like, shut up or we're gonna mess with you worse. And, you know, my response was, go fuck yourself. I'm not gonna stop. Like, I— like, God put me on this planet to be a journalist. I'm not gonna stop doing what I do best or be bullied by a bunch of demons or demons that are trafficking kids. So I continue to do the work that I did, and then I fell on the— I read the Podesta emails and read all the evidence that they were involved in child sex trafficking, and I started covering that.

The Clintons?

Yes.

Damn.

Oh, the Clinton Foundation, that's just a front for child sex trafficking. Yeah, that was— they actually were cited for crimes. The foundation, Hillary Clinton and foundation, they were cited in the Inspector General's report in 2018 on page 294. For crimes against children, among other things. But the mainstream media won't talk about that, will they? This is the official Inspector General's report that came out in 2018.

You know, Black people are more entertaining.

What did you say?

Black people are more entertaining. So Diddy's more entertaining right now.

I know. We don't have to get into that. But anyways, go ahead. So just— but you understand that people like Hillary Clinton, like all these politicians, they hang out with celebrities, actors, musicians. They're all— a lot of them, they're all in bed together. They're all on the same side. So you mess with one of them, you kind of mess with all of them. A lot of them are involved in the same rings. Jeffrey Epstein's ring, let me tell you, it's big. There's going to be names that come out. There were clients and, and/or co-conspirators in his ring that will shock you. And when I say you, I mean you cover this stuff, so I doubt much shocks you, but I guarantee when the full truth comes out about Epstein's ring, there will be some names on that list that you'll be like, whoa, I'm shocked to hear that. So, so yeah, so I've, you know, they've, they've just, they've just basically deplatformed me. They've made my life hell, you know, they try to kill my dog. They, um, they harass me constantly. You know, my stuff's constantly getting hacked. Um, they literally pay people to spy on me, you know, and they will compromise people working for me, like doctors, lawyers, you name it. Um, like anything they can do to make my life hell, they do it. And they try to make it impossible for me to you know, do the work that I do and make a living for myself. That's why they had to cancel me from PayPal and Venmo and then take me off Instagram and YouTube, because, you know, if I have no platform to talk about my reporting, then how am I going to make money, right? Because I'm independent. So they've done that to me, um, for years now, but I'm still standing. I'm still here. I'm still working. And as long as I feel that God wants me to continue doing this work, I'm going to do it, you know. And a lot of the things that I've been reporting since 2016, 2017 that I was called crazy for are being proven to be true. So who's the crazy one now? Is the girl that was telling the truth about people doing crazy things, including to children and women, or was it Liz Crokin?

Cheers.

Cheers, girls. This has been so much fun.

I know. Like, Liz, I was so excited to have you. Shout out to Angela Statton for linking us up. I know you guys are really close, and that's my dawg. That's Angela's my dawg. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I— it's just what I tell you, you just snatched my wig, and I don't even wear a wig, like, at all. Like, I'm just I'm just floored because you know what, like, you know, I don't go as deep as you go, but I go pretty deep, you know. And when I tell you the, the amount of power they have put towards me to try to take me down—

oh, I can't imagine. I mean, you're speaking truth. You're a woman and you're Black, but I'm a lot—

but I'm a liar. Like, I'm just like, you know, like, I was sued and it's just, it's mind-boggling to me that people will even say, well, the court said you were lying. And it's like, first of all, how many, let's just say Black people in general, have been tried before a court and have been found guilty or liable of things, right? And only for years later for it to be true, you know? And so did they, did they, so did they put you through a trial?

Oh my God, yes.

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And you would think, like, you know, I am— I've never been in trouble with the law. You know, I've been doing clean work. I stand on the side of the truth. And I do not like when I tell you the oversexualization of images that are fed to kids. And I talk a lot about, about that. I talk a lot about that shit when they have to protect vested interests, like I'm just like, I stood no chance when you're up against a major record label who's funding a particular artist and she has unlimited money to do what she wants. She's, you know, her lawyers are getting meetings with the judge, which are called ex parte conversations. Well, it like, it, the whole thing is just like nothing in a million years because of the receipts that I had would have ever, I would have ever thought that I would have lost the way that I did. When I tell you they thought that I was going to like exit social media.

But see, here's the thing, when they can't get you to shut up, they go after your pockets. Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

And they will use lawfare tactics to do that.

Yeah.

Because that's, that's one of their favorite cards, right? So with my situation Uh, well, I've had people like John Legend and Chrissy Teigen like trying to sue me, and I knew it was— they knew they never would because everything I said about them was true and it—

and they didn't want to remind us what you said about them, child.

Well, what I said about— what I said about Chrissy initially was really nothing. She was on a plane that turned around in 2017 and made all these videos talking about how the plane was turned around like midair from like California.

I think I remember that shit. Yeah, right.

And then— but then she was talking about, oh, they let everybody go except for me and John. And at that time, I knew that there was people being taken down behind the scenes.

I remember you calling her ass out about that shit.

Yeah, but all I said was, I, I'm like, I, I wasn't really paying attention to her, but then when her plane got turned around and I knew that there's operations going on behind the scenes, I was like, oh, I wonder if, you know, they're busting her or whatever. And I'm like, well, let me look into her. And then it's like, I find all this pedophilia shit. She's been promoting pedophilia for years, like in tweets, just openly, like promoting pedophilia in tweets.

Like, I remember she got canceled for a lot of that shit too.

Yeah. And so, and she had all the symbolism because I know all the symbolism, all the codes. Like, this is what I do. So I know all of it. She's just like, she has it all over her pages. And so I did one tweet just and I said Chrissy Teigen posted, you know, A, B, C, and D. I posted 4 pictures. Because I know people that like follow me follow me would know what I'm talking about. I didn't say you're a [MASKED] or anything like that, and just— but at this point I was starting to get a decent following.

Very pedophilic.

Okay, yeah, I just said she just posted ABC and D and, you know, whatever. And next thing I know, she did a tweet basically saying, I'm pretty sure this person's saying I'm a [MASKED]. Like, she's on this crazy rant.

A hit dog hollered.

Well, she— and it was all coordinated too, because like Chelsea Clinton, and then literally, like, no joke, the Church of Satan and Hooters, and then Jack Dorsey, they all chimed in at the same time. I think it was New Year's Day in 2018. So I was like, um, and, and I'm like, oh, this is a coordinated attack because they can't figure out how to shut me up, so they need someone like her to just be like, you know, to like make me look crazy. And, and, and so anyway, so she managed to get, you know, my verified blue check mark taken away. And then a few— and then like, I don't know, 8 months later, 10, 9 months later, my, um, Twitter was just completely taken down. But, you know, at the time, you know, John Legend's like tweeting, oh, like, we're gonna sue you. And like, they— and then the Today Show's covering this, and that's the— they're one of the ones that called me like a so-called journalist or self-described journalist? The Today Show. I'm like, no, like, the simple fact that you don't know that I'm a real journalist with a journalism degree means you're a so-called self-described journalist, right? Um, so that was a coordinated attack that they did against me to— because they— because, because my background is so solid, they can't have someone with such a solid background exposing the rings. Forget it. And so they had to—

for your shit to come true.

So I know, right? So they had to— so they had to launch this like attack. They used Chrissy Teigen as an asset, you know. It was like, oh, it was all stupid. And they were threatening to sue me, and I knew they weren't, so I doubled down. And I'm like, oh, and then all these researchers found all of her tweets. So like, it had the reverse effect that they were hoping for. And then eventually she having to delete 60,000 tweets. But the story I'm getting to is they never sued me. But a year later or so, like, I was in a— I was taking a surf class, or I was taking a surf lesson at the Hyatt Hotel, and I lost my fingers, my fingertips. Okay.

And girl, I didn't even notice.

Most people don't notice. Um, so I lost my fingers And the reason, long story short, the reason why I lost my fingers is because it's very simple. I signed a contract when I took the lesson and I was supposed to be provided, this was in writing, a surfboard with a leash because I was taking a class, right? I was given a surfboard without a leash, which never happens. And I'd taken surf lessons before and I was always given a leash. And so when I got my surfboard and saw there was no leash, I asked my instructor like, why doesn't it have a leash? Like, does Did something happen? And he was like, yeah. Like, was there like something bad? Did they deem like leashes are no longer safe? Like, did something weird happen? He's like, yeah, something like that. So like, he's an instructor, of course I believed him. Well, they didn't— they gave me a surfboard without the leash, and a surfboard has a board string on it. Yeah, that's supposed to connect to the leash, but it serves no purpose if there's no leash. If If you're not using a leash.

Because you use it so that you don't, you won't lose the board.

So, so they, so they gave me the surfboard without a leash. And I think that the guy just lied and he was like, yeah, we're no longer using leashes when they really were. Because it wasn't the contract. I should have had it. I should have had a leash, whatever. So because I didn't have a leash, my fingers got caught on the board string and they severed the tops of my fingers. This is one slice, just like that. And I type for a living, I'm a writer, and I can't type. I can't type now. I couldn't type for over— for 2 years. So it, like, it was— I'm giving you— I'm giving you the short version, but I had so many lawyers like begging me, can I be your lawyer? It's like such a clean-cut personal injury case, like, let's just take it like an easy settlement, it's the Hyatt Hotel, it's worth billions of dollars. They wouldn't give me a penny. And I'm like, of course. And my lawyer's like, this is so weird. Like, I don't know, this is the strongest case I've ever had in 40 years. And like, I don't understand why they're not settling. They ended up spending, they ended up spending probably $2 million, at least $2 million fighting me in court when I was asking for like, like less than $500,000, much less than $500,000. To cover prosthetics. I had to get surgery. I was in the hospital. I couldn't type for over 2 years. Like, you know, they spent like 8 times— oh my God, they spent 8 times the amount of money to fight me in court. And my lawyer's like, I don't understand, I don't understand why this is happening. And I was like, someone's got to them. But I'm like, God, like, it's like the Hyatt. And then a year later, after I got my surf accident, and like I— my— the demand that I was asking them originally was like— a lot of lawyers were like, that would have been like ridiculous for you to take such a, like, a low amount of money or small amount of money, whatever. Anyways, so they refused to settle, and, um, a year later after I got in the accident it comes out in the news that the chairman of the Hyatt Hotel allegedly was a client and/or co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein's ring and allegedly raped Virginia Giuffre. And I'm like, now I know why they won't settle with me. This is— they know who I am and they will happily pay millions and millions and millions of dollars to, like, not give me a penny and keep me bogged down in court. And that's what they did for 7 years. And they rigged the whole trial. They tampered with evidence. They all lied under oath. They, like, evidence went missing. I think they paid off a juror. He, the guy that swayed the whole jury, happened to be a fed. What are the odds of that? Go on and on and on. So that's what they do. So that's what they do.

Liz, I would hate to give you the research on my case. You'll be like, hold up, wait a minute. I'm telling you, I was just like, one day everything, everything always comes to the light. So I don't have to worry about it. I don't spend my energy trying to prove anything. I'm just like, let me just focus on my work, focus on my reputation, and making sure that I'm as factual as I can. Be.

Yeah.

And when we're wrong, we say that we're wrong.

Yeah.

And, um, we'll just take it from there. And, you know, it's just— it's amazing how karma has just flipped the script with this particular person. And it's like, oh, but I was— I was sued for saying the very same things that, right, the entire world is saying about you right now.

Yeah.

You can't sue the world.

Exactly.

So yeah, I'm quiet because I choose to be, you know, but it's like So I don't have to worry about it. I don't have to prove anything. I don't have to say, oh, but I do understand how I'm like, why are entertainment lawyers spearheading a defamation case? We're the First Amendment. You know, as a journalist, we have First Amendment, not entertainment lawyers, right? Who are you working for?

Yeah, exactly.

You know what I'm saying? So thank you, Liz.

I— you know what, the fact though that you managed to, you know, get through this, and their goal was to silence you, right?

Still is. I'm in a lawsuit with Kevin Hart right now.

All right, well, tell them they can go fuck themselves.

I do.

Don't back down because you have an amazing voice. Everyone loves you. You're so popular.

Yes, and thank you.

They hate that.

They hate that.

And you tell truth. That's what they hate the the most. You tell too much truth.

I'm telling you.

But you have— you have God on your side. Like, to me, truth is God. Like, that's what God means to me, is truth.

So I tell everybody I work for the light. Work for the light.

They can throw all these slings and arrows at you, but at the end of the day, you're going to prevail. Just don't let them get to you. No, don't let them get to you. And just take it as a badge of honor.

Thank you.

Because if you weren't doing fantastic work trust me, they wouldn't be messing with you. That means the fact they're coming at you this hard means that you're powerful and you're effective.

And I have— and I think what— thank you so much. And I think it bothers them that, you know, they'll have— when I tell you, even with the Kevin Hart case, he has had so many people call me on behalf of him trying to get me on record to state a number. Like, I'm like, you real— to state a number, he claims that I extorted him. That's his lawsuit. Tasha tried to extort me so she wouldn't go forward with a story if I paid her.

Right.

Really? Me, baby? I get paid to post stories, not, not keep them, right? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And so he ends up filing a lawsuit when he can't— his lawyers cannot get me on the phone. When I tell you he wanted to talk to me, no. There's nothing to talk about. If you want to talk, talk to my lawyers. When he couldn't get through to my lawyers, it was like, well, she don't want us to talk on her behalf, so now you go file a lawsuit. When I tell you the legal team that we had to go get is the legal team that represents the New York Post, you know, Washington, like Ballard Spahr. It's a huge law firm, you know what I'm saying? This is what they do. And so luckily, you know, all the tactics that he's tried has been thrown out. You know, we got this last little bit of piece that we're working on, but it's like they stop at nothing. Like, he has people lying under oath.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Like, have submitted affidavits stating that they talk to my team.

Yeah.

What?

Oh yeah, like they, they had probably at least a dozen people under oath at my trial. It's— that's normal for them.

Yeah. I said I cannot believe— like, and I'm looking at the people and I'm like, okay, so I got their names. And I'm like, all right, so you don't lie under oath for Kevin. It's gonna come a day, which is a felony, by the way. Yeah, I know. It's gonna come a day because if you're lying like that for him under oath, ain't no telling what else you're lying.

Oh yeah, exactly.

For him about what is he really trying to protect?

Exactly.

Like, the stuff that I've talked about has been public, so what are you— what is this really about? I don't know.

That's a good question.

You know, so Liz, listen, I understand you. I am you. Thank you so much for all of your hard work and dedication and just staying on the side of the truth.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's not easy out here to do what you do. And like, when you show me your fingers, I gasped. I was like, wait, what? And I'm thinking like, she's a journalist, she types, she writes. And that's your right hand.

Yeah, like they wouldn't even pay for my hospital bills or my prosthetics. The Hyatt Corporation, which is worth billions of dollars, and it was completely their fault. Like, so, but that's what we're up against. They will come at you any way they possibly can, Liz. But God is greater than everything.

He sure is. Cheers to that. And Jesus— they said Jesus made wine. Look, go ahead, get you some more if you want some more, child. Go ahead, pour you some more. Yes. Um, tell everybody where they can find you, follow you, email you if they have any questions. Cheers, cheers.

Yeah, people can find me at— well, my website, LizCrokin.net, has—

oh no, no, the mic, the mic. Look, we're fucked up. I'm fucked up, so I'm like, oh shit, the mic. Go ahead, go ahead.

My website, LizCrokin.net, has all my work, links to my sub Substack, my documentary Slave Princess Britney Spears, which I was talking about, Out of Shadows. And then you can just follow me on X @lizcrokin, L-I-Z-C-R-O-K-I-N. All right, thank you. Thank you so much.

Now we gotta go. Bye. Um, we don't get enough liquid D3, we don't get enough vitamin D. And so, um, I personally have to supplement. This particular vitamin D that I travel with all the time, and I make sure that I never run out of, is, uh, 10,000 IUs, gluten-free, vegetarian, has a vitamin E and vitamin C base. Okay, and so it's very highly absorbable. There are some fantastic reviews on shoptkdeals.com. Of women who claimed that they couldn't even like lift their arms. And by taking vitamin D3, which helps your body to absorb calcium, and the calcium feeds the bones, um, they can now raise their arms, they're less pain and things like that. Clips out there about you sometimes do show you a very angry Black woman kind of life. I am an angry Black woman. I am angry that my sisters are dying at ridiculous rates of heart disease, maternal death. I am stressed. I am angry that I live in a nation that lies to us and has been, and people still aren't sure how to make it make sense. You've never heard of Candace Owens? I don't know her. Your messages are very similar. I am a radical leftist. Do you date? Who's gonna date me? There are other people like you that you can date. Name them. I'm not a matchmaker. I have 5 cats and a dog. I love being a cat lady. And the other day I was driving and I had like my dog and my 3 cats in the car going to the vet. And I was like, wow, this is the life you chose. I haven't had sex or been kissed in 2 years. Do you think that has a lot to do with your anger too sometimes? No. I think that's actually very unintellectual for you to ask. No. Yes. Because as Black women, we have to release. So I don't have a vibrator? They covered it as a Malibu beach home. But the price tag on it