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Your.

Your husband was sticking his tongue out.

Yep.

At your was a gay friend?

No, no, no, no.

They were straight friends.

Straight friends.

Like, did they notice that he would be looking at them?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We used to all do music and stuff like that, and it was just little incidents like that. And then the. Like, I go to the family, like, hey, he's sleeping with this guy, giving his money all to this guy. crazy. They don't say anything. I'm like, yo, he says he feels like a woman. Nothing. They're like, oh, you know, that's fine, don't worry about that. Jamal be joking and stuff like that. They didn't take me seriously, but they knew I was not lying. So his revenge came.

Jamal.

Jamal. And the family funds it because my ex-husband, like I said, I never got certified divorce papers.

It's okay. Let me know what I need. That's it, girl. You're safe. You're safe, okay? So you reached out. That's a step. That's a huge step. Okay? Relax. I'm the homegirl, okay? We just talking. We just kicking it. I'm not here to put you on, to interrogate you, to question you, to— You know, you— this is a platform that allows people who are voiceless that happen to be connected to people who are very bad people who need exposed, or, uh, to select celebrities who, you know, misuse the platforms against people such as yourself who don't have a platform. So this is essentially what the Wine Notes is about, right?

Yeah.

So welcome to the wine cellar, Miss Harris.

Thank you.

All right, cheers. You look great.

Thank you.

Okay, I can tell you got a little money, child. I can look at you and tell.

Now, got the updo, look like you a good old That woman.

Uh-huh. So listen, you are essentially a part of a very, very famous family, a family we know to— we've known for many years. We rarely ever hear anything crazy about them. Now, I do know that Shaquille O'Neal and his ex-wife Shaunie O'Neal was very public. And, you know, she's kind of made a brand off of Shaquille O'Neal's name. And she's since gone on to marry a pastor. And, you know, her life is different now. But you were Were you still married to Shaquille O'Neal's brother?

We're not.

You're not married anymore? When did you guys divorce?

Well, I never signed any divorce papers. I was never served.

OK.

I was never served. I was— they literally emptied out the house.

They what?

Emptied out the house.

OK.

And kicked us out. Me and my husband.

Who was us?

Me and my kids, me and my 3 other kids that I had from a previous marriage.

Okay.

So you—

so Shaquille O'Neal's brother, let me— because I want to establish a foundation here. His name is Jamal.

Yes.

Right. Okay. We're gonna need you to— are you too tall?

Yes.

All right.

So just move back a little bit.

Hold on for a second. Shaq, bring the mic— you're gonna bring the mic closer, but I need to make sure your camera's in focus. Stay right there. Get comfortable. But like, um, bring the mic closer like this because she says she's tall, her legs are in the way, so she wants to sit back. Yeah, get us comfortable. Okay. All right, now bring the— all right, gotcha. There you go.

Okay.

All right, so you want to focus in on the camera?

Okay, you good. Okay.

All right. Let's start with something that makes you happy and not nervous. Where you from?

I'm from New York.

What part?

Manhattan.

Okay, I can hear it all in you.

Love it. Washington Heights. All right. I grew up there, and then I moved to Florida, lived in Florida for like over 20 years.

What part of Florida?

Winter Garden, Windermere area, and Orlando.

Okay, okay. Now, your nationality. Are you Dominican? Trinidadian?

Dominican. My dad is Black and white. My mother's from Spain and Dominican.

Okay, because I can, I can hear it on the tongue. Okay. Okay. You look great, by the way.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I'd say keep yourself up. Thank you so much. And so childhood was pretty normal?

I had a great childhood.

Okay.

Childhood, always played outside.

Did you play basketball? Because you're tall.

Basketball, football, stoop ball, handball.

Wow. Wow. Did you ever play professionally?

Oh, no.

Okay, because I was gonna say you're very tall, very in shape, so thank you so much. I didn't know if you had moved into, uh, the professional part of it.

And so obviously you, you're a pretty normal childhood, not a pretty normal childhood, never been abused and stuff like that. Um, always love music. Okay. And stuff like that. All right. I started working doing promotions for DJ Nasty and Pro Style on 102 Jams back in the days. Okay. And that's how I met Jamal, actually, at work.

Okay.

I used to promote for DJ— oh, everybody. DJ Khaled. One or two jams. It was a very hot radio station.

How long DJ Khaled been out here? People say he been in these streets a long time.

Yes, a long time.

Really?

Over 25 years in Orlando. Damn. Yeah. And I had a great experience. I never got— I never got— I never felt uncomfortable. Nobody ever tried me. They always made sure I got into my car safely. Like, it was a great experience.

[Speaker] Okay, that's good. 'Cause a lot of people, you know, they be like, "I had some issues being around them celebrities," you know? And, you know, they were touched or inappropriately, like, you know, just kind of messed with and things like that. And they don't have many good stories. And you say that's not the case for you.

[Speaker] Nah, not for me. Not with my experience.

[Speaker] 'Cause you know, you were they type. Tall, you know, big legs, big hips, you know? Nice little shape Dominican. You sure they wasn't trying to get up on you?

No, like people, but like the DJs themselves when we were at work.

Yeah.

We was at work.

Oh, okay.

You see what I'm saying?

Yeah.

They never hit on me. I never felt uncomfortable. I was like, we were like family. That was before We The Best.

Okay. All right, cool. So, cause I promise you, I didn't know. He popped up out of Florida and I was like, who's this guy? Yeah. So apparently he's been out here for a long time.

Shout out to DJ Khaled.

Yeah, let's see if he stay up out of the controversy because, you know, they coming for a lot of the legends and they really are. A lot of them deserve it, like Diddy and things like that. So, but, um, so you met Jamal Shaquille O'Neal's— nice. He the baby brother?

He the baby brother?

He the baby brother?

Yes. Okay, there's 4 of them, 2 girls and then Shaquille and himself.

Okay, all right, cool. And so you guys met at what age? Um, get your wine, girl, get your wine. You good?

Lex, like, in our mid-20s.

Mid-20s. Okay. All right. And, uh, early 20s.

Early. Yeah, right before 25.

Okay, so you were young and in love. Young.

Um, I was in love. All right. I really was. He was a nice guy, funny, you know, we got along, everything was cool at the beginning. You know, it's always good at the beginning. You know, it was good at the beginning. Everything was cool. You know, he used to come to work with me all the time. Oh, yeah.

So he didn't play basketball?

He did. But then he caught a seizure.

He had a seizure while he was on tryouts. Oh, wow. So he was trying to go pro like his brother.

But he couldn't make it because he has epilepsy.

Oh, shit. Okay. Wow. So how long after you guys met did you get married?

I'd say like 2 years.

2 years?

Probably like around 2 years.

Okay. That's decent. A year and a half, 2 years.

It went quick. But we was together every day. We just had a good time. We were in love.

When did you have your first baby?

In 2005.

Okay. And what was your relationship like with Shaquille at the time? I heard he's very nice despite his brother.

But I know you would probably have something else to say. Possible. Yeah, but at the beginning, very nice. Um, we lived in his house.

Okay.

All the houses that we ever lived were in his home.

In Shaquille O'Neal's home?

Yeah.

That's very generous of him. So you didn't have to pay any bills?

Nope. He paid all the bills.

Damn. Shit, I didn't know he was balling like that.

He pays all the bills for his sisters. None of them work. None of them work.

That's a lot. That's why they say he owned— like, I was looking at, um, I guess his— they say he owned like maybe, I don't know, a lot of Five Guys restaurants, car washes, all kinds of stuff that I want.

At one time, I was telling my husband at the time, you know, you're gonna have to get a job or something, because how about if one day he decides not to pay all the bills, you know? Let's start a business. Let's do something to where we don't have to depend on him anymore.

So he would send y'all a check?

Um, he would give money, like a good lump sum of money every month. He pays for the house, pays for the lights, pay for everything. And then, um, he'll give my husband money for, you know, things around the house, whatever we need, and gas and stuff like that.

So did you work?

Yes.

Oh, so you just basically got to keep your money and—

No, but then at one time, um, when I started having my first kid, um, he was like, oh, I don't want you to work. I just want you to stay home and take care of the kids. And I did that for a little bit, and I just felt empty because I love entertainment. That's what I love to do and stuff like that. I've always worked. You know, so that was something kind of like, okay. But I still felt weird because it's like another guy is paying all the bills and stuff like that.

And I'm just trying to figure out what that dynamic is. Like, he takes care of the whole house, tells his brother he does not have to work.

And his sister.

And sister. Takes care of all the kids. So the kids need school clothes, Uncle Shaq got it.

Everything under his insurance. Health insurance. What? Car insurance. All the cars are in his name.

Did he add y'all as employees or something?

Mm-hmm. He had my husband, he'll put him in a fake dummy business, and he'll pay taxes like that. But he literally stays home, plays video games, and does absolutely nothing. Shaq!

You know what, I had a girl come on the platform a couple months ago, and she had one encounter with Shaq, and he left her $1,000 on the table and told her she was his type, just, you know, keep it tight for him when he came in town. She was shopping one day looking for furniture. She had just moved to LA. She was at Bob's Furniture. He said, "Leave there and go to Ashley Furniture, get you some new furniture." Bought furniture for her whole house. And you know what the bitch bought? A queen-size bed. I said, "Shaquille O'Neal bought your furniture and you bought a queen-size bed?" Bitch, you stupid. You know? So I heard he's like that. Everybody that's in his circle is—

He is in control of everything.

Is— does he make you feel guilty for, like, does he throw it in your face? Like, I know this for you.

He doesn't throw it in your face, but it's like, it's just common sense. You gotta work or do something, you know?

Yeah.

Just staying at home every day. He used to just play video games and stuff, but nah.

Okay. So when did things start to break down? Because you guys have how many kids together?

Two. 2 kids together.

Okay, you had 2 kids prior? 3 prior?

Yeah, he had 3 kids prior. I had 3 kids prior, and then we lived together in the home.

Okay, and so there's 2 extra kids. So that's like—

it was just 5 kids. It was just my 3 and the one we had, the ones we had together.

Okay, and then he still had kids?

Yes.

So it's like the Brady Bunch.

Matter of fact, he had a baby while we were married.

Oh, with who?

And with his ex-girlfriend, and it passed.

Oh, I'm sorry. Damn, that's Well, how did you feel about that?

I mean, I felt bad for the baby, but then I found out, hey, you still cheating on me, you know, having babies and stuff like that. So, but then he started cheating on me with guys.

What?

Yeah, it got really, really, really ugly.

Okay, so when did it go from— hold on for a second. So Shaquille O'Neal is basically financing your whole life. Your brother can go and come when he wants, take flights when he wants, do anything. His brother is taking care of all of the household, of us.

Yeah.

Okay. So then he stays home. So he doesn't have anything to work towards.

Nothing. No goals, no nothing.

Just put the mic, put your mic, you know how to just take it just like this, girl. Whenever you go with it, if you go, let it go with you. That's all. So you're good. I just want to make sure we get it because you do speak kind of low.

I'm sorry about that. It's okay. No, that's why we got the mic, girl. You good.

So, all right, you're good. You're having babies with him, and he's at home playing video games. When did he stop going from being like the person you fell in love with to somebody— you started to like notice changes?

After we had children. Well, I was noticing little things here and there. Like what? Um, like he would look at my guy friends. Sexually. And I'd be like, yo, what the fuck is your problem? Are you gay? He'd be like, no.

Speak up now. Speak up.

Yeah. Oh, I'd be like, what the fuck is your problem? Are you gay? Like, if my friend catches you looking at him like that, like, you're done. He was like sticking his tongue out.

Your husband was sticking his tongue out?

Yep.

At your— was they gay friends?

No, no, no, no.

They were straight friends?

Straight friends.

Like, did they notice that he would be looking at them?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We used to all do music and stuff like that. And it was just little incidents like that. And then he introduced us to this man, looked just like his dad, like 50-something years old, military, bald. They even drove the same car. And next thing you know, it was a quote-unquote friend. Okay. Oh, he needs to do a business deal because we're going to present a deal to Shaquille. And stuff like that. And then little by little, they're dating. Yeah.

How did you find out they were dating?

I'm looking at the emails. I'm looking at text messages. The lover confronted me that wanted my husband.

He confronted you?

He confronted me. That's my man. Um, I'mma kill you. He was trying to kill me over my husband. Yep, over my husband. So then I go to the family for help.

Okay, so you go to Shaquille and Mama?

The money that he was giving to us, Shaquille, he was giving it to his lover.

The old man. Okay.

So next thing you know, little by little, things are not— there's not that much food. Like, there is— you see everything declining. Okay. And because he's giving to this man, he bought him a car, he bought him a Mercedes-Benz, paid off his credit cards. At that time, everything's like through emails.

Now, your son— you're not just saying your husband's younger than this old man, correct? So he started tricking on old men? What the fuck?

Yes. The motherfucker looked just like his dad. I was like, oh shit. But check it, his dad was gay too. 'Cause you used to go to his house, and what do you smell? Crack. They smoking crack. The dad got red lipstick on with stockings and everything. And when I told the cousin, when I'm like, "Hey, look—" You talking about the O'Neal family?

Yes. Oh God, we gotta say allegedly. Hell no. Oh Lord Jesus, have mercy. Oh my God.

And the cousin was like, "Well, Lisa, you should've known. Look at the dad. They all gay." All of them are gay. You should just shut up. Okay, so I was in shock.

Them some big niggas to be gay.

Big ass niggas. Like, he's like 6'8". My ex-husband. He's 6'8". So, um—

Oh, dear God. It was bad. So you had another man confronting you over your—

Confronting me. That's my man. You know, you Dominican.

You Dominican.

I start talking in Spanish, cursing him out, whatever. So— What I did was I went to Shaquille. Okay. I said, "Hey, you know the guy that Jamal brought over to do a business deal or whatever?" Excuse me, I got a bad toothache. You good, you good. "That guy's been threatening me that he wants to kill me." Okay. "And that's his man or whatever." Honestly, I really thought, that he was— that Shaquille was going to put everything to an end. Honestly, I really thought. Now you got this man threatening to kill me, wanting my husband. He's taking all the money that Shaquille's giving for the house to the man, buying him cars, buying him everything. Which, you know what, honestly, if he would have just came out and said, hey, I like fucking guys, I'm gay, You know what? You do you, I do me. Let's raise these kids together because you can't control who you love. Okay, that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do. But the way he did it was nasty and it was just evil. So basically what they did was when I go to Shaquille, I'm thinking, okay, we're good. He's going to put everything to an end. He's going to put everything back in his place or whatever. And That's not what happened. What happened? What did Shaquille do? What Shaquille did— me thinking, like I said, that he was going to put everything in his place. Okay. I guess—

let me put this coffee on.

At that time, like, coming out is a big thing. You see what I'm saying? So I guess my punishment for telling and opening my mouth was locking the house up, taking my kids, and, um, kicking us out.

Wait a minute, so who kicked you out?

Shaquille. It's his home, he pays the bills, and when I go to the gate, they emptied out the whole house and took my kids. So what I did— when was this? That was like around 2008, 2009. So what I did, I'm thinking, oh, I'm just gonna go to the police department, you know?

They can't put you out, they can't evict you like that. They have to get—

The thing is, I didn't know my rights. I didn't have a lot of family at the time. Like, I do have family, but everybody's like living their own life, doing their own things, you know? And, um, I really— we really thought that he— I just didn't know my rights. Come to find out, that's abandonment. That's abandonment. You can't abandon your wife and your children and lock up the house and leave. You can't do that. I didn't know that, you know.

And, um, did you tell Shaquille you knew about his daddy being gay too?

Don't tell me. They all knew. They all knew he was gay. Okay.

I think maybe he got a little confused.

'Cause what happened was, when we walked into the house to go visit him in, um, Alaqua, that's in Longwood, in Florida.

Okay.

So we go in the house, I smell the crack. I already know he does crack because his sister, Shaquille's sister, Latasha's husband is the one that supplies the drugs. Oh! To him. So he was always welcome and loved because, you know, He supplied all the drugs for the dad and the family. Okay. Right? So, you know, he's the best or whatever. See, I don't do crack, so I was whack.

I wasn't cool because I don't do crack.

Right? So, um, where was I at?

You walked into the house. Oh, we walked.

Okay. That incident. Shaquille O'Neal's dad was allegedly in there smoking crack. Yeah. You smell the crack. That's when I—

you smell the crack when you walk in. And Shaquille O'Neal paid the bills there too? Yes.

All the houses are his, and he knew his dad does crack. And we walk in and he has— you see the color of my lips? My lipstick was some stockings, some pantyhose. And Jamal saw my face like, "Oh, shut the fuck up." And he said, "Keep walking, just shut up. Fix your face." See, that was normal to them. That was something normal. You know? That was something normal. And here I am fucking shit up. Here I am, he's comfortable in his own little world, not working, playing video games. Like the sisters, I used to be like, why don't y'all open a hair salon? Like, why don't y'all open up any businesses? Like, do something to produce, you know? No. And they're just comfortable. And you know, that's their right. Who am I? Who am I to tell them start a business? Or let's, you know, so, um, Yeah, that day. And I would see him plenty of times with lipstick. And that was just their thing.

That was— So did your husband ever talk to you about what it was like coming up with his dad? And did he ever talk to you about his sexuality? Like, your husband?

Yes. And what did he say to you? Because I started—

The baby brother name is Jamal. Jamal Hasim Harrison. Hasim Harrison. Okay. He happens to be the baby brother to Shaquille O'Neal. So I just don't want Shaquille's name to be used so much to the point where It's like, what was the brother's name again? So your husband Jamal, did he ever have a conversation with you about his sexuality?

Well, I talked to him about it. I was like, so what's going on? Like little episodes, like little, a lot of little things will happen.

And this was after you had both kids? Yeah.

So I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Are you gay? Like, what the fuck is going on? You know? And he's like, oh, you know, sometimes I feel like a girl. I have multiple personalities. He started shitting and pissing on the floors. We'll save that for later. So he's like, so I'm like, yeah, you feel like a girl? Yeah. He was like, yeah, sometimes I feel like a girl. And I'm like, oh, okay. Come to find out, I see, you see, if they would've just got him help, they should've got him mental help. And just got him help, I think he would've been okay. So one day after we have kids and stuff, we at, um, Shaquille's dad house and he come out the shower, right? Mm-hmm. Mind you, I ain't even ask him to show me anything. Um, it's just a normal day. He's coming out the shower. Now we already have kids, right? He bends over and he has two assholes. He's hermaphrodite. Who? Jamal. Wait a minute. Yeah, that part.

So you married to this man? Yeah. Got two kids with this man?

Yep. We've never had anal. We've never— he's never shown me his ass. So he just come out the shower. I'm in the bed with one, okay? Okay. Um, the maid just left or whatever. Yeah, I'm in the bed. And he comes out the shower and he still has like soap, right? And I'm like, yo, you gotta rinse, you still got soap. So he goes rinse off, he comes back. Pardon me. When he turns around—

Come to the mic now, come to the mic.

He turns around, he says, "Look at this." And he turns around and he spreads his ass. Sorry, he spreads his ass apart. And he has two assholes. And I'm like, "What the fuck is that?" And he's like, "I was born this way." See, I gotta go to the Mayo Clinic and get that other hole drained. Right? At that point, I'm like, what the fuck am I fucking? I'm sorry, God.

You're good. No, say what you want to say. I'm like, what the fuck? Are you saying that he had a dick?

Okay, he had a dick, right? And you didn't go further? No, I've never gone further.

You never licked the balls or nothing?

Yeah, I licked the balls. So the balls covered. Yes, but I've never gone past that. You see what I'm saying? I've never gone past that. I don't know what urged him to do that. We weren't having sex. We wasn't even talking about sex. He just comes out and says and tells me that. I'm in complete shock.

So is that why he said he feel like a girl?

Because he has girl parts? Yes. Yes.

So he has a dick and a vagina. And an asshole. Yes. Oh my God. Hold on for a second. Hold on.

If you Google two assholes, there's nothing but porn is going to come up.

No, no, no. I'm not going to go. I was just going to say, but if it's an hermaphrodite, yeah, they can have both. But I thought sometimes the hermaphrodite— I've never seen one that they have a vagina, but it's just bigger. It's like on the outside. It looked like two little assholes.

And then he told me that the other hole, he has to drain it. They have to go to the Mayo Clinic and drain it. So that means the whole family knows. So everybody knows that he's sick. That, um, and look, if that's how he was born, like, you know, that's how he was born.

Do you think maybe his dad was allegedly born like that or something?

I don't know. Only Lucille would know. His mama. His mama would know if he has two assholes. So what is that?

Murphy's Law. He has a vagina, a dick, and an asshole. So it's not two assholes, it's a vagina. Yeah, it's okay. But I get what you said. I was like, oh my God, like, what is their defect? But so that's why he said sometimes he feels like a woman.

He feels like a woman. So I'm trying to play reverse psychology to see how much I can get out of him, right? Next thing you know, he has multiple personalities, okay? Oh no, it wasn't me, it's my multiple personality. Oh no, it's not me. So I go to the family, what the fuck? Like, I go to the family like, hey, he's sleeping with this guy, giving this money all to this guy, and he has two assholes. And they looking at me like I'm crazy. They don't say anything. I'm like, yo, he says he feels like a woman. Nothing. They're like, oh, you know, that's fine. Don't worry about that. Jamal be joking and stuff like that. They didn't take me seriously, but they knew I was not lying. They knew I wasn't lying. They knew I wasn't lying. So his revenge, okay. Jamal. Jamal. And the family funds it? Because my ex-husband, like I said, I never got served with divorce papers. They locked up the house, took the keys I don't know how— what judge you paid off to get custody. What judge did you pay? Because I never received any paperwork. Why? Because you locked up the house. We was like bouncing from— we was homeless.

So you're talking about the kids that you have together. He doesn't have the kids that you didn't have together?

No, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. We good on that. Okay. But the two y'all share? That we took. Okay. He went to his dad's house in Longwood. Right? Um, so he takes the kids, he goes to his dad's house in Longwood. I'm thinking, like I said, oh, I'm thinking New York mentality, to be honest. I just gotta go up there with the cops and I'm gonna get my kids back, right? No. In the state of Florida, um, is considered a civil matter when you have issues with kids and stuff like that and you're married. Well, that's what they told me, right? I called the police. To show up at the house to get the kids. And they're like, no, we can't take the kids out, but what we can do is do a baby well check. You can go and check to see if the kids are okay.

How old were the kids at this time?

Um, 5 and 4. Oh, 5 and 3, 3 and a half going on 4. Okay. And, um, the cops is there. They call him, um, Butchie, which is Philip, which is their father. And they wouldn't let me through the gate. Right? Like I said, they said, it's considered a civil matter. You got to get your own lawyer, whatever. Okay. I try to get— nobody wants to touch it. As soon as they hear O'Neal, they don't want to touch it. Or they want $20,000. At the time, I didn't have it, right? Meanwhile, I'm trying to communicate with him, and they're threatening me and telling me, "You're not gonna get your kids back." Who is they? The mother, Lucille O'Neal. Shaquille O'Neal. Shaquille told you this? Yes, over the phone with Latasha O'Neal Harrison Jackson, his sister. Because when I started, like, um, texted him a lot on social media, he'll send his sister to calm me down, right? Or to shut me up. And I'm like, you know, yo, give me my kids back. Like, this shit doesn't make any sense. Like, give me my fucking kids. The state didn't take my kids away. You guys took my kids away. But it was out of spite. It was to hurt me because I embarrassed him. By the way I see it, I see it as like, for me outing him, or they already knew, but for me making it public and like telling the mom and telling the dad and telling everybody, my punishment was to hurt. Which was, how are you gonna hurt me? The only way you can hurt me is if you take the kids. That's the only way you can hurt me. You could fuck 30 guys if you want. I'll help you get dressed. I don't care. You could, you know what I'm saying? Like, the only thing that can hurt me is my kids. Okay. So what happened? When I'm looking through the courts to find out, and I find out that Lucille at one point had custody. Lucille and my husband. Why? Because he's mentally not all there, you know. Um, he, like I said, he was shitting and pissing on the floors and blaming it on his other personalities, you know. And sometimes, um, saying that, oh no, that wasn't me, that was Sierra. Mind you, at that time, my daughter's like 4 years old, she's like this big, and he's 6'8". You see the urine From the wall coming down. What? Of my husband, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It was really bad. It was really scary. Then what happened? I go to the courts. Oh, we can't get 'em served, we can't get 'em served, we can't get 'em— that was their excuse. Oh, we can't get them served, which is bullshit. Live 20 minutes from the courthouse. Shakil's an officer in Florida. He's a cop in Winter Garden. So everybody's on their shit. Like, he has Florida and the South on lock. Okay? They really do. Okay? So what happens? I lost track. I go to the courts, nothing. Emails, nothing. I start knocking on doors. Right now, mind you, I'm scared for my life. I have terrible anxiety. I can't sleep. Okay, I could go 2 days without sleeping, and I don't do drugs. Okay. It's been— it's just been a nightmare.

It really has. How long have you been going through this though?

Like, since 2009.

So how old are your kids now? Oh, my daughter's 18.

She's 19, she just turned 19. And you still haven't seen her? No. So check this out, right? Through over the years, we've been in communication through social media. Okay. I found it through social media, right? Oh, she remembers everything. She remembers how he was always never there, and when he was, it was like, oh, it was an argument. And she remembers, um, Little bit of food, how it declined, how it went from us having everything that we wanted, going to restaurants, and then you see it declining. Okay, it makes sense because you're giving all the money to your lover, you know? So, okay, what happens? Me and my daughter are in communication. Mom, I missed you. I love you. I never forgot. I used to dream and think how long it would be that I would see your face. Right? So— Pardon me, I'm sorry. It's okay. She's like, "Mom." Mind you, they're bouncing from house to house. One year they're at Shaquille's, one year— and I have all court documents to show that. And one year they're at Shaquille's, one year they're at, um, a cousin— uh, no, an aunt's house with their cousins. One year they were at that grandma's. Anywhere but me. Mind you, I'm alive, I'm well, okay? I'm working, right? Let's say I was a crackhead. I see crackheads with their kids. If I was such a quote-unquote crackhead, why you ain't put me on the rehab or something? Put me in a program. You're rich, right? Right? It's all about the kids, right? Okay. Just let you know that their hatred towards me is so big that there's no way you can say you love those kids because you're looking at those kids every day, whining, crying, yearning for their mom. Christmases, New Year's, Mother's Day, they're being left out. They're getting treated like shit. Okay, my daughter— this is my daughter's telling me everything. Okay, my daughter's telling me everything. His sister, Shaquille O'Neal's sister, Lucille, she's telling me stuff as well, that the kids are not living right. Okay, they're not eating right. Um, at one point, he's— he— which I have the video that I'm gonna show you— he's with a crackhead. You could tell she's a fucking crackhead, right? Um, they were living in this house with a whole bunch of guys, the house that I just started knocking. Hey, I'm your mom. Right? It was your mom. Be giving my kids or whatever. I'm sorry, I just lost my train of thought. It's okay. Knocking on doors. So my daughter, at this time, after I'm knocking on the doors, right, they're sending me pictures with heads cut off. Bitch, I'mma kill you. Now they've been sending me threats throughout the years. Okay, you're never going to see them. You need to wait till they're 18. Now, compared to them, I'm poor. Okay, I don't have the power and pull that they have. Okay, I don't. Okay, so I'm kind of— I'm happy because I'm in communication with my daughter. You know, we're talking or whatever. And she's like, at one point, she's like, Mom, you know, we're getting abused. Like, they paid a lady which is his baby mother, which I have a picture of, to make pretend that that's my son's mother. Okay, how sick are you? That's to show you, you don't love your kid. There's no way you could tell me you love these kids at all. Okay, and I would tell my daughter, why the hell you don't tell them that I'm his mom? Oh no, they'll beat— they've beaten me. They threatened me that if I tell Elijah that we have the same mom, that, you know, they'll beat me up. They hit me. They've hit me before. I can't say anything, right? Because, um, there were incidents where his sister and my daughter has told me that the lady that they pay to pretend is his mom, he will argue with my ex-husband Jamal because they have a kid together, right? And she'll be like, ah, you get to Get the fuck out my house and your fuck-ass kids, right? And my son, because he thinks that my son and my— his sister Sierra, my two kids got different moms, but they got the same dad. So he's like, and then get— take that motherfucker with you. And my son will cry, oh no, Mommy, don't kick me out. Don't leave. Mommy, don't kick me out. Don't. You know the emotional abuse that is? I know, I know. These kids, no matter how much money, it don't matter. You know how much counseling we have to do? Like, you won. You won. You hurt me already. You won. I missed out on everything. Okay, give me my fucking kids back. This shit makes no fucking sense. Now check this out. My daughter's telling me, Mom, we're not eating right. Mind you, the sister told me, um, yeah, Jamal was asking me for $1,300 for his light bill. Do you know what he do with his money? I'm like, well, looking at the picture of the girl he's with right now, she looks like a crackhead. So it looks like, you know, he does what he does, she supplies, you know, they comfort each other, she accepts his ways. You know, and he pays for everything. At that time, they had like 5 guys living in that house. It was like a 5, which I have video of and video of the house and everything, and me knocking on the doors. Um, she was sleeping in the, in the living room while they had private rooms. My daughter was sleeping on the couch downstairs while everyone had their own bedroom. Okay. There's a picture of me in— there's a picture, like a family picture, in Lucille O'Neal's bedroom, right? And my son, every now and then, my daughter's telling me, "Who's that lady? Who's that lady?" And they'll tell him, "Oh, she's nobody. She's just a friend of the family." She said, "I'm your mother." "Which to me, I'm just a friend of your family. I'm your mama. Why are you telling these, my son, your grandson, your son, your nephew, your nieces, that somebody else is his mom? Knowing that the bitch can't stand me, 'cause I had kids with Jamal, you know?" Okay. So my daughter, like I said, she's telling me, I'm not eating, we're getting abused, I want to go, Mom, I need you to come get me. Mind you, at this time they already sent me pictures with heads cut off. Bitch, I'm gonna come get you, you're not safe in that little Jeep. All that shit, right?

How old were your kids at the time when they were telling you that they were getting beat and abused?

Oh, that was like 5 years ago, 4 years ago, recently, right? Okay. So I already took the pictures and the emails and everything, and I sent them to the courthouse. You know, I'm like, finally, because technology is better now. Back then, we didn't really have like the phones and stuff. Stuff wasn't really as modern as it is now, right? So she's like, at this time, she's 15. She's about to turn 16, right? And I say to her, Mama, don't worry, I'm gonna go to the court. I already, I already went to the court. I have a court date coming up. We finally got 'em. They're threatening me. Right? But she tells me she's gonna kill herself if I don't pick her up. As a mother, what do you do?

I go get her.

But I thought— that whole time I knew I was gonna go to jail. I had a feeling I was gonna go to jail, but If I didn't get her, she was gonna think that I didn't love her, that I didn't want her. And I didn't want her to hurt herself and I didn't want her to kill herself. And I got videos of everything, right? So I'm like, oh shit, I gotta get her. If I don't get her, I'm gonna lose my kid. All right. I get a ticket. At that time I'm living in Jersey. Mind you, they don't, They've been stalking me. They know everywhere, every place I rest my head, they know where I'm at. I've never— when I lived in Jersey, nobody knew my address. Like, nobody, right? I told my nephew, come watch the girls, I gotta go get my daughter. I go on the plane, I have everything documented, right? She's planning it out. She's like, Mom, I'm gonna leave out the window, I'm gonna cut, I'm gonna— Hide the camera. Now mind you, this girl has never had a real birthday party, okay? She's always been enclosed in the house. Why? They're gonna ask for your mom. Where's your mom? Okay. I go get her. She climbs out the window. I get the lift. She's in Georgia. Because when I started knocking on the doors, "Hey, give me my kids back." "Hey," whatever, right? They picked up and moved to Georgia. Okay, they picked up and moved to Georgia. The sister, Latifa, was trying to help me as much as she could, but not that much because, you know, they're cut off. She had to stop helping me because she was like, listen, bitch, I'm about to get cut off. I can't keep helping you. You know, we're gonna pray about it or whatever. And she was like, and Aisha passed away, so maybe, you know, being that Aisha passed, Mommy's heart was softened and Shaquille's heart was softened and they probably wanna, they'll give you the kids back because Sierra wanna go with you. So I get on the plane, I go get her, we're on our way back. I got video of everything, right? We go to Walmart, I said, Mama, pick whatever you want. No, we get to the house first. Hey, we dropped off the bags or whatever. I said, we're gonna go to Walmart. She's like, really? I said, yeah, you pick whatever you want. Really, Mom? Because we don't go food shopping like that. We don't. I've never— we— okay, when we get to the store, you pick whatever the fuck you want. Pick anything you want. We fill the cart up. Walmart's like 15— no, no, Walmart at that time was like 5 minutes away, right? We get to the house. The house is swarming with cops. I'm like, oh shit. How the fuck did they know? They been stalking me. They follow me wherever I go.

I mean, do you think they had a tracker on her though?

No, 'cause she turned everything off. She turned the tracker off. Like, she really calculated this escape. 'Cause that's what it was. It was an escape. And another thing, when I moved somewhere else, they started going in the cars. Weird cars started going over there. I had took pictures and everything. I had to leave that there also as well. Okay. We had to, I go pick her up, we hugging, 'cause it's the first time we haven't seen each other in a long time. Oh, Mom, we crying, crying, crying. Oh no, no. That's when I went in first, got, I'm sorry, cops swarming everywhere. So I'm like, oh shit, okay. I gotta get in the house, right? they're not at the door. There's like two, like two cop cars. But the police station was walking distance. It was like a two minute walk. I lived in a nice little town, right? So I go in the house with the bags. Two minutes later, they banging on the door. I'm not opening it right away. I'm Pat. I'm like, Oh, shit. Now, mind you, before I went to go get her, I called Children's Services of Georgia. I said, listen, my daughter's being abused. She wants to commit suicide if I don't get her. I'm gonna go get her as a mom, whatever, right? For protection as well. And, um, they banged the door down, guns in our faces. My daughter's screaming, my other 3 little girls are screaming and crying. This is this big scene because I lived in a real nice area, predominantly white. Okay, I was like the only Black girl there. Next thing you know, I was so embarrassed, cops everywhere. I'm like, all right, all right, come down, come down, come down. They bust the door, they broke the door down. They got in the house. We need Sierra to come down, we need Sierra to come down. I'm like, no, no, Sierra's crying and screaming, no, I want to stay with my my mother. I want to live with my mother. I want to stay with my mother. They're like, we got to go to the police station. We got to go to the police station. I'm thinking, okay, you see that the girl went as far as running away, like she actually packed her bags and ran away to be with her mother. Okay, let her be with her mom.

Okay, did they have a custody agreement?

Like, what is that? There's no custody agreement because we never went court? Who did you pay to get a divorce? Because you— I never got served. I never got served with divorce papers. I never got served saying you got to go to court. And what judge gave you custody without the mother being there? Like, it just, it just doesn't make sense. And then you give my daughter to Lucille O'Neal? Like, I'm not dead. I'm not in jail. You know, okay. So what happens? Oh no, we gotta go to the police station. I'm thinking, okay, because their family's from Newark, they got family in Newark. I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna take her and just go home. They come to the police station, she's screaming and crying, throwing herself on the floor. I want to be with my mom, I don't want to go back there, I want to go with my mom, I want to go with my mom. Okay. She leaves, right? I'm thinking, okay, I'm about to go home now. The officer said, I'm sorry, ma'am. They started crying. One of the ladies started crying because they felt so bad for me. They said, I'm sorry, ma'am, you can't go. I said, what you mean I can't go? It's the O'Neals. They charged you with kidnapping. Wow. I said, "Me? They charged me? Kidnapping my own kid?" They were like, "Yeah, in the state of Georgia. She's 15. She can't, that's—" Excuse me. They put my other 3 girls in another room so they won't see me get handcuffed, right? They was like, "Ma'am, I'm so sorry, but you can't go home." I'm like, "What do you mean I can't go home?" "Let her go back." And he was like, "Like I said, it's not us. If it was up to us, we will let you go. But it's not us, it's the O'Neals. Like I said before, they're pressing charges, kidnapping charges." I said, "Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, it can't be, it can't be." I said, "Oh no, these motherfuckers reached a new low. You done abused us, you kidnapped my kids." You paid the judge. You paid somebody to get custody of those kids and to get a divorce. Okay, you've been threatening me this whole time. We already missed out on each other growing up, like, a period. Like, we missed out on so much, right? You would think that, okay, she ran away, let's just let them be. We won. No. They take me to Middlesex County Jail facing, they put me in jail. Not, oh, you in jail for kidnapping, you're gonna get up to 30 days. No, minimum 10 years. Minimum, not up to 10 years. Minimum 10 years in jail. For kidnapping my own kid. Okay. Pardon me, I'm so sorry.

You're good. No, no. Okay. Take your time.

So I'm like, nah, this can't be real. This just can't be real. So I go to jail, right? My whole family's going crazy because every judge they talk to, every lawyer that they speaking to, they want like $30,000. And the minimum is 10 years. There's no ifs, ands about it. She's doing starting 10 years. 10 years. So I'm in jail, I'm going crazy, like, in the sense that I'm like, wait a minute, no, the story can't end like this. This is not how the story is gonna end. So I get to jail and, um, they fuck up my, um, commissary. So I was already pissed, right? So I'm in jail hungry, they're giving me like, um So many pills, like anxiety, blood pressure, and stuff like that. But at one time, they was just giving me too much, and I would spit it out. I got rearrested for like a drug charge, right? Fuck you, Miss K. She fuck with everybody. She's the worst fucking CO on the planet in Middlesex County. I hope one of the inmates, I swear to God, beat your ass up, because she was so fucking nasty. She's such a bully. So, um, everybody say, "No, no, no. 10 years, 10 years, 10 years." I spent 30 days. I gotta get transferred from Jersey to Georgia because the charge is in Georgia. The kidnapping charge is from Georgia. They're just holding me in Jersey until they transfer me to Georgia to serve my time, to start serving my 10 years, right? I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no." I have so much faith in God, and I also chant. And I'm like, "No, that's not how the story's gonna end." I was hungry. I was losing like a pound a day. But my faith got stronger and stronger. So the second time comes for commissary, Miss, they fuck up my commissary again. So that was the first time everybody see me cry, 'cause I'm starving. Like, I'm hungry. Like, I'm so hungry. And then on top of that, they giving you medication. And then if you don't take the medication, they giving you the medication on an empty stomach, so you're throwing up all day. Plus the food is like shit, right? Then I'm in the hole for not taking the medication. You're just giving me pills back to back. Okay. And Waka Flocka's brother's baby mama was the one that said, 'Cause that's the first time I started crying. Uh-uh, why Lisa crying?

Uh-uh, what's wrong, baby girl? What's wrong? She was in jail with you? She was in jail with me.

Okay. Right? She gave me food, juice, my other girl too. They hooked me up. At the end, I sent them a whole bunch of packages. And every time I needed a— there was this lady next door to me in my cell that she was the only one with a Bible. There was no Bibles. But there were certain times that I wanted a verse. Next thing you know, she's like, "Lisa, I don't like nobody using my Bible, but if you wanna use it, you can use it." I'm like, "All right." So I start reading the Bible and stuff like that, thinking positive. Everybody's crying and crying and crying. Next thing you know, "Okay, pack it up, let's go." I'm getting shipped to— Georgia. Take the plane in handcuffs, humiliated. I was so humiliated to walk in the airport with handcuffs and 2 cops escorting me. Okay. We get to the jail in Georgia. It was the worst jail. that I mean.

Where they put you at? Fulton County?

What other county? Fulton and what else?

Cobb County. I mean, Cherokee County. They got a lot of counties.

I think it was Fulton, if I'm not—

it was like one of the worst. DeKalb County? I got the paperwork.

Okay. I'll show it to you. Okay. I get transferred over there, right? I'm still like, nah. The officer, everybody's feeling bad for me. Oh, I'm so sorry you're going through this. All the officers were treating me so good because they couldn't believe my story. As a matter of fact, at the police station, they were like, I want— in Jersey, I— okay, if you make a— when you make a movie about your life, I want Tom Cruise to play me. Like, they were saying shit like that. Like, this is like out of this world. This is like a movie. Okay, I get to Georgia. And Okay, they keep saying that I got a girl in front of me, she's about to do 18 years. There's one that's about to do like 11. I'm about to do 10. Right? But I still in my head was like, this is not how it's gonna end. This is not how it's gonna end. So what happened?

How did it end?

They go to fingerprint me. Mind you, I have no bond. Nothing. I'm about to start my— so it's like 10 o'clock, 10:30 at night. Yeah.

You didn't see a judge or nothing?

Check it out. I was supposed to see a judge the next day, right? But while I'm getting fingerprinted, the officer says, "You know you got a bond, right?" I'm like, "Bitch." Yeah, 'cause you can't have no bond in New Jersey 'cause they didn't have jurisdiction over you. Yeah. And yeah, they was just holding me to transfer me, but still, Pardon me. You're good. Even when I got transferred to Georgia, I was supposed to sit there. Yeah, I was supposed to see the judge the next day, but then sit there, wait for my trial, wait for this, wait for that, right? All the lawyers wanted $30,000, $20,000, or whatever. So I'm fingerprinting, the officer's like, "You got a bond, right?" I'm like, "She—" No, he says, "You know you got a bond, right?" I'm like, "Yep." Mind you, I didn't know I had a bond. Everybody's telling me, even the lawyer's telling me, when you get there, you're gonna see the judge the next day. You don't have a bond, right? Okay.

I'm like, yeah, I know I have— How much was your bond? It was only like $1,200, right?

Oh, I had on my card, but nobody has access to my money, right? So they were like, yeah, but you got to get bonded out before 12 o'clock. If not, you're gonna have to wait and see the judge the next day. I'm like, oh, hell No, I don't want to see the judge. If I see the judge, I'm going to stay, right? I'm going crazy. I start calling my mom and my sister. They were able to post the bond at 11:58. At 11:58, they were. I'm telling you, that was all God. At 11:58, they were. Now, mind you, when I got to that jail in Georgia, they had no supervision. All the crazy people with the murderers, everybody's together. I was like, oh, shit. I'm about to get— this shit is serious. I got to get the fuck out of here.

So you got the bond?

I got the bond. And I got out.

So when you get out, what happened with your case?

When I got out, they just gave me my paperwork and they said, you're free to go.

Okay, but you still had to face the charges though.

No. They haven't sent me anything.

So were the charges just eventually dropped? I guess they, they didn't pursue that.

I think they— of course, it makes sense. They didn't keep going, right? They didn't complete, like, yeah, because you—

in order, if the state didn't pick it up, yep, then they have to pursue it. So obviously they didn't pursue it. They didn't pursue it because it would have been, it would have been public. Yes. So the O'Neills are charging you, it would have been a public scandal. It was too much. So it was basically just to scare you. Yeah, it was to scare me.

And to protect themselves, that, well, let me scare her like that. She'll leave us alone.

But your kids are almost grown. I mean, you're 18 and 17, right? And so your daughter now, she's free to live where she wants to live.

No, it's not like that, because mentally they got a hold on her. You know, they threaten her all the time. She's in college. She calls me. We contact— we call all the time. Okay. But, um, Every time I post on social media about my situation, I want my kids back or whatever, they charging me with harassment. They keep charging me with harassment. And harassment, like how?

Like, are they sending papers or something?

That's considered bullying, that I'm bullying them, that I'm trying to shake them down for money, that I'm putting stuff on the internet that's not true.

So what are they doing, getting your posts taken down or something?

Or, um, no, they actually took took me to court. It actually took me to court. I gotta go back to court on the 24th because they want me to do jail time for posting, hey, can I have my kids back?

So when's the last time you spoke to Jamal?

Years. Oh, well, directly, no. In court the other day, but we didn't speak directly. But on the phone, like, on the video when I confronted him and I said, hey, you kidnapped my kids. My kids doesn't— my son doesn't even know I'm his mom. What kind of sick shit is this? It's on the video. After that, that's when all the pictures with the heads cut off and the family threatening me. Then I spoke to the sister and I'm like, yo, this shit is not normal. Like, give me my kids back. And she's like, well, you know, you, you know, you gotta go by what they say. If they say 18, you gotta wait till they're 18. There's nothing really that I can do about it. And then they told me on the phone through her line, I'm like, yo, give me my fucking kids back. And he's like, no, you gotta wait till they're 18. You gotta wait till they're 18. Why? Why I gotta wait till they're 18? That doesn't make any sense. Why do I have to wait till they're 18 for me to see my kids? Why are you threatening my family, my kids, like everybody that I love? Why? Why? 'Cause I exposed you? Because I told you you were gay? Like, I don't get it. Everybody, a lot of people are gay, you know? There's a lot of support groups. It just doesn't make sense to me. It would never make sense to me. So you on TV talking about God and preaching about the Lord. Who, Jamal? Um, no, Lucille. But you got my kids. Then you see Shaquille giving bikes to people and caring about other people's kids, but you got my kids hostage.

Yeah, yeah, we're about to wrap up.

Okay. So, um, basically the purpose of this is being that I've tried begging, pleading, knocking on doors. I've tried the legal system. I've tried the courts. I've tried everything. And you still won't give me my children back.

So you're just here to just let it all out?

I'm here to let it all out. I have video, I have, um, look, it doesn't matter. It just makes no sense. It just— there's no excuse in the world for you to separate a mom and two kids. There's no excuse in the world for you to, um, abuse this kid, letting him think somebody else is his mom that don't even give a shit about him, that treats him like shit, that shows him no love. Okay, when I'm here to give him all the love he needs, to give him all the love he wants. It just makes no sense, Tasha. Just give me my kids. Let me be free. I have terrible anxiety. I can't sleep. When I work— I work in the film industry as well— I'm always looking over my shoulder, scared that somebody might pop up, or I'm looking at strangers, like, when they're looking at me, I'm paranoid. Are they really looking at me? Or what. Like, when we used to be in the house, Shakir used to come to the house to check on us or whatever, and he'll bring these two little scrawny little guys with two Desert Eagles, two big-ass guns, and he'd be like, "Yeah, that's my killers. So if anything don't go the way I don't want to, I got killers. I got killers." I just want to be free. I just want to be able to be with my children. My children need help. They need therapy. We need family therapy. We need group therapy. We have a lot of healing to do, you know. We got to get to know each other again. So you— all of this out of spite, all of this because of your ego, all of this because you're able to do it because you, you feel powerful because you have money. And in your eyes, I don't. It's all a power trip because you don't love them. Because if it was about the children, if it was about the quote-unquote kids, they'll be with their mama, right? Point blank, period. There's no excuse. There is no excuse that anybody can give me to justify why my kids are not with me right now.

Well, hopefully now that they're coming of age, they'll start to prioritize and say, you know what, I'm going to go stay with my mom, and they'll get the courage to do it. And I'm sure that they'll probably watch this interview because, you know, all the kids are on social media now. And, you know, it'll give them the courage to say, you know what, Dad, I love you, but I also want to be with my mom too. And so what I hope is that you guys can— you know, nothing can erase all the pain and everything that you went through, but going forward, because you know, really, that's all the kids know is that you will be able to coexist. Because I mean, a lot of times we could choose our family, and sometimes we can't, but you guys will be able to coexist as one family. Despite everything that has happened for the betterment of the kids, because what you don't want is the opposite to happen, whereas they were raised to hate you, right? And then they weren't able to see you, and now they're with you. But all of their childhood memories are erased. And, you know, it just starts to— it's like flipping a coin to the other side. So they need some sort of balance. And like you said, yeah, there needs to be therapy, there needs to be healing. And hopefully one day you and the O'Neals could come together and hash out and have some really, really hard conversations.

No, they're evil. These are the most evilest, heartless people that you will ever meet in your life. For you to get on the line, for you to separate your kids. That's your bloodline. Forget about me. I'm nothing. I'm sorry. I'm nothing compared to the kids. I ain't shit. Okay. What you did to those kids, looking at them every day and separating them from their mom for your own selfish reasons. You're a monster.

Well, I think they did it to try to cover up what you found out. In my opinion. Yeah. I wasn't there. But it just sounds like according to what you're saying is that maybe they were just trying to keep the family secrets together. Right. And so, and a lot of people like you don't have platforms, you know, and so that's why I'm here. And I'm, you know, I hopefully it does, you know, get people to just start acting right, you know, and You know, children do deserve to be with their parents.

And I even told my daughter, when you come live with me, this is how fair I am, because it's all about the kids. You still can see them. You still can visit them. Because it's not about me. If you're coming with me, I'm not gonna do the same thing that they did to me. At the end of the day, they spend most of their time with them, right? So you know, they'll have to go back and forth. You know, I know it's okay. Don't fuck with them. I Fuck them. Fuck them. You guys are evil, nasty. All that fake shit on the internet about family is fake. You going around buying bikes for people and shit, fake. You crying over, oh, if Kobe's kids need anything, contact. How about you release my children? How about you give them their mama back? How about that? Oh, well, damn. Okay.

How about that? I think on that note, like, this concludes the interview. We can leave it right there. Okay, anything else you want to say besides that? Because I think that kind of said it.

Fuck you, Lucille O'Neal, and Shaquille O'Neal, and Jamal. Fuck you all. Give me my kids back. You're nasty. You're evil. Okay, and I hope the whole world— because this is the thing, that's all you guys care about is money. I ain't want to go public. I got my own life. I got my own career. But this is the only way that I'll have a chance to see my kids again. Because you either want me dead, dead or in jail. So if— mind you, everybody, if I turn up dead, I didn't— I don't, I don't, I don't do drugs. I didn't kill myself and I don't party. They did it. Okay, Lucille O'Neal and Shaquille O'Neal, give me my kids back. That's it. It's enough. It's enough. They need to be with their mom. Okay, it's enough. What you did was inhuman. Okay, those kids didn't deserve that. We didn't deserve that. Okay, when that kid finds out that I'm his mother, he really got a mama. Okay, his whole world is gonna crumble. I feel sorry for my son. And at least my daughter knew who I was, you know what I'm saying? But my son, when he finds out that the people that he was living with this whole time, that's all while we're protecting you, you've been lying to him, lying to him and lying to him over and over and and keeping him away from his mama for no reason, 'cause he wanna suck dick. Hmm? 'Cause they all gay. All of the motherfuckers is gay. Give me my fucking kids back ASAP. Give me my kids back. I want justice. I want this to go viral. I need lawyers. I need everything. But I want this to come to an end. That's all I gotta say. Give me my fucking kids back. You could suck all the dick you want to suck. I don't care. You can suck it from the back if you want to. I don't care. Give me my kids back. I don't want no money. Just give me my children back. We need to heal.

All right, on that note, thank you so much, Lisa. Thank you so much, Tasha. I hope that maybe You know, this, this interview will do what you need it to do. And hopefully all of you guys can find some type of middle ground because this is really messy. Yeah, it's fucking messy in the ground.

It's muddy. It's fucked up.

Look at that camera and say, now you got to go for now.

Well, I have to go for now. But I see you guys later. And hopefully next time I see you, there'll be some kind of resolution. Bringing our family back together. All right, bye. Thank you so much.

Oh, that was a lot, girl. Oh shit.