EXPL0SlVE | Tamir Rice's Mother EXPOSES EVERYBODY! | Ben Crump, Shawn King, & much more!

If you have a child in America, don't mean it's yours. That's how Children Family Services could come in your house and take your child at a drop of a dime if, if you did not file and go to court and get legal custody of your child. That's anybody in America. The child is not yours.

That explains a lot.

Yes, ma'am.

Even though we're on the birth certificate Yep, don't matter.

All of these things I'm gonna name falls under your police department. Parks and Recreation, Boys and Girls Club, after-school programs, 501(c)(3)s, your nonprofits, your youth outreach, everything you want to do to help Black people over there. Man, I need to go apply for a grant. Guess where you got to go? Because it falls under their umbrella called public safety. It's a big umbrella.

All right, so I'm excited to have— I gotta say, this first exclusive, because you have not told your story.

Well, I haven't told it since 2015, maybe '16. I always tell the story, but I haven't been back. I haven't been in the media lately.

But you haven't been in the media lately. But too, like, when I go to, like, research you, there's very limited— it's like sound bites. Yeah, no one has ever sat down to really kind of unpack it all with you. Okay, they only take it related. And of course, um, I feel like they use the content to, oh, to raise awareness. Also, it could be used to rage bait because, you know, a lot of people like to do that just for the views of it all. But instead of understanding what something like this does to a family, um, siblings of, um, your late son Tamir Rice.

Yes, yes.

So why knows, this is Miss— is it Samira Rice?

It's Samaria.

Samaria. Is that what Tamir got his name from? Because it's similar.

Well, um, I didn't know that Tamir and Tajay were Arabic names, and my sister named them. I had already used all the T names I could think of on the other two kids because all of the kids' name is T. Okay, it was the T-A. Okay, so she named— she named— she named Tamir, and my cousin named Tajay. I didn't know what the name— name it. And they have the same— so we— they share the same father. So they're, they're always like two peas in a bucket. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah.

Okay, well listen, she's all the way down here from, uh, you said Cleveland, Ohio? Okay. And we're in Atlanta, Georgia. And, uh, Charleston White, because I know y'all don't like him, uh, hooked us up. Yeah. And thought that this would be the perfect platform for you to sit down, and I couldn't agree more. Thank you. Um, given the nature of what you've gone through and just the, the viewership that we have. They're mothers like you, they're women like you, they have, uh, brothers, they have dads, uncles. I mean, any— the thing that happened to you, and I think that's the reason why it was so shocking internationally, is because everyone knew that your son unfortunately was murdered. Yeah, by a police officer. Not shot, not, um, I don't know, wrongfully— no, he was murdered.

Yeah, executed.

Executed.

Yes.

Without any questions, without saying put your hands up.

Yeah.

Without saying put the gun down. Normally police have protocols.

Yes.

As to how they go about— you got 5 seconds to drop the weapon. You drop the weapon. If you don't, then of course they have probable cause to—

yeah.

Execute. But this was an officer that previously had been fired from a police department for misconduct. Yeah, breaking the rules, not following police protocol. Was rehired by another police department, and this was, uh, uh, Cleveland Police Department, where his dad was friends with, uh, our chief of police at the time.

And that's how he probably slid through the cracks.

He probably— I mean, we could say allegedly, but like, it's, it it takes someone to know somebody.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, absolutely. I got a friend right now that lives in Cleveland. Her husband's been a police officer for years, but he can't seem to get on the Cleveland Police Department, and he ain't got no murders or no bodies.

It's not what you know, it's who you know in Cleveland. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

But, um, executed, murdered, and over a, uh, play gun.

Yeah, toy BB gun.

And he was playing by himself, so it wasn't like he was a threat to anybody. For me, if I'm a police officer and I get a call because there was a call made.

It was multiple calls. There's multiple calls made that there's a kid there with a toy gun, um, from the guy that was sitting inside the gazebo. He was drinking a beer. So that's some things that the world don't know, that he was drinking a beer sitting inside the gazebo. He said, um, it's a juvenile and he think it's a fake gun or toy gun. And that was probably the second call because I got from my attorneys that two women on the street had made calls about a man menacing in the neighborhood. I think that's what the call was. So I didn't even know it was multiple calls to 911 that day till probably about 5 or 6 years ago. I didn't even know.

And nobody was hurt?

No.

No threats were made to anybody? No stickups? No robberies. It was like, we just see what appears to either be a man or a kid with a gun. Can you come check on it?

Yeah, basically.

Okay.

He was not a threat because if you really look at that video, and I have the extended video, and you know, we always have new evidence, but he was talking to people because that's the Rapid Station, the walk through the park. So he was talking and playing with people, um, going back and forth to the Rapid Station. They was carrying their groceries because the park area, then it's the residential living. And then you have the public transportation. So yeah, he was, he was playing.

And when they—

being a kid, um, his sister had just left him for a second because it was a lot of kids out there playing that day, and they had just went in the rec to get water and use the restroom. And Tamir just stayed out there by himself that day. Yeah, yeah, it was a whole bunch of kids out there playing that day. Like I said, when, um, When we get a new prosecutor, hopefully they'll want to open Tamir Rice's case and then I could present my new evidence. Because we know Timothy Loman never said, "Put your hands up." You couldn't have never said, "Put your hands up," with the window still rolled up. That's, with the window still rolled up, how can you do that? And just seeing the video like I did, I know my son was scared when they pulled up on him. And my daughter, she was 14 years old, she was She was the third person on the scene, the two police officers, then my daughter, and they tackled her and handcuffed her and put her in the back of the car. She was forced to watch her brother die. Yeah. So I just never thought to send the two children out to play, I'm only going to get one back. And then given an ultimatum by Cleveland police when I arrived on the scene to, 'Be quiet, relax, or I'm gonna put you back in the police car.' That's, that's what was told to me because I was trying to get to my kids. I got one child screaming in the back of police car. My 16-year-old, after getting a knock at the door, he runs across the street and they surround him, 8 police officers. Okay, I got a 16-year-old, a 14-year-old, and a 12-year-old. 10 police officers standing around my 12-year-old. I'm trying to get to him. They would never let me get to him. They told me to calm down or I was going to be put back in the police car. And then they gave me an ultimatum to stay at the scene of the crime or ride as a passenger in the ambulance with my 12-year-old. So I chose to go with the 12-year-old and I had to leave 2 kids at the scene of the crime. I never got a chance to touch him. They told me he was evidence.

Evidence?

Yes, ma'am.

And they had already known it was a fake gun at the time.

I mean, I don't know if they knew it was a fake gun or not, but I never got a chance to touch—

A toy gun.

Yeah.

I have to put that out there.

Yeah.

Toy gun, because you know they have fake guns that mimic real, but yeah, it was different between a toy gun and a fake gun because they use fake guns for movies and stuff.

So that gun was actually purchased from Walmart from Tamir's friend, actually asked him to hold that while he ran to McDonald's, which is not too far from where we was living at, at the time. And he was just holding it for him, playing with it, whatever. Um, but I questioned the young man. I was like, where did you get this gun from? He said his dad bought it from Walmart, and he re— and I guess he removed the orange tip on it or something like that, he was telling me. But, um, it wasn't Tamir's gun, it was a friend of his that he was holding.

Unfortunately, we want to say toy gun because I don't want no toy gun excerpts being taken.

No, absolutely, toy gun.

A 12-year-old, because you know how they like to paint them hoodlums, they're running around here. No, this was a, uh, a child that— let's Let's talk about Tamir's— like, your, your— I don't know, your birth of Tamir. You, because you have— you say you have 5 children?

Yeah. Wow.

What are their ages?

So I— let me see, 30, 28, 27, 25, and 23.

My gosh.

Yeah.

How old would Tamir be today if he were alive?

He will be 23. What, this year he's going to turn 24. Okay. Yep.

Happy early birthday, Tamira!

Yeah, June 25th. Yep. I'll be 24 years old. I'm hoping to have the Tamira Rice Afro-Central Cultural Center open.

Okay.

I'm hoping to have it open. I kind of set some long-term and short-term goals for myself. I think I'm right on it. It's been taking me some time to get this building together, but I'm hoping to have a grand opening by the summertime. Okay.

Well, tell us about, first of all, you're a great mother with 5 children. You busy.

I'm a super busy— I am super busy. Yeah, um, well, I was. Okay, now that the kids are empty now. Yeah, amen. Let me just say that. But having two kids in school at the time of Tamir's murder, it was not easy. Um, I had to kind of suppress my feelings and be that rock that my kids needed and not show any weakness just for them to get out school. Um, the schools at the time wasn't providing like therapy and counseling, so it would be kids to be coming up to my kids asking them when they going to get they cut and can they—

settlement money?

Yes, when they going to get they cut and, um, could you buy me some Jordans and stuff like that. And my kids would come home and tell me that, and I knew that didn't feel good to them, so I had to kind of intervene with the school and asking to put in some therapists in the school. It was a mess. It wasn't easy, but I did happen to get two of them out of school. My oldest daughter, she was already out of school, uh, just had a 3-month-old grandbaby at the time of Tamir's murder.

Okay.

Yeah, so, um, she was out of school, working to get the other two out of school after being lost around the United States with Ben Crump. Um, at the time he was my attorney, he was the one that gave Tamir the, I guess, the visual, um, notoriety or whatnot, um, when I obtained him as my attorney at the time.

Um, so he made it globally? So we would—

yeah, he made it globally. He, he did. He, he did that. But I did not continue to work with Ben Crump. Um, I think we worked together for about 8 or 9 months. What happened with that? Uh, it just These civil rights attorneys, I mean, it's just constructive criticism. Being at the time, I just didn't feel that he knew what he was doing. Um, I was getting phone calls from other attorneys stating that he didn't know the law and stuff like that, so I wasn't feeling good about it. And my uncle was just— he was like my help, right? Because I'm still distraught. I didn't get a chance to finish school and learn all the big words. So my uncle stepped in and helped me with my case. And we just wasn't getting the answers that I wanted or I needed. And I wasn't getting paperwork when it came to motions being filed or even contact. Anytime they contact with the prosecutor, I need to know everything was going on with my son. You know what I'm saying? Everything. And I combed this case with a fine-tooth comb. And that just wasn't sitting right with me. I didn't want to be tossing and turning saying, "Well, what if I didn't ask this or what if I didn't do this?" So yeah, it just didn't work out in the end. And then I called the movement out years later. I don't know if you know I did that, but I called the movement out years later and I just felt that he was avalanche chasing cases, to be honest with you. He knows that. I say it to his face all the time.

You said that to Big Grump?

I have told that. Yeah, I told that to him. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, they— him and Al Sharpton and them, and, um, at the time it was Tamika Mallory and Black Lives Matter and Sean King, like, all of these folks, and nobody is showing us how to get no indictments. You know, I had to let them know my son ain't no black— he's not a hustler. He, you know, his death is not a hustle. So I just got a little aggravated because I kept seeing all of these activists doing things in memory of people's children, and we wasn't getting no real justice. We was not getting no real justice.

So they were PR advocates, which are public relations advocates to— yeah, they bring awareness. Yeah, they bring awareness, which is rage baiting, race baiting. Yeah, I didn't know, but there's no there's no output.

Yes.

It's just like, yeah, there's a face, there's a name. Say his name, Tamir Rice. But like, when it comes to actually getting justice and suing the city, you had to go get somebody else to do that?

Yeah, I did. Ben Crump wasn't able to do that at the time. I don't really know what he's doing now, but, you know, I wanted to— well, first of all, yeah, first of all, you said a lot there.

My, um, When we're stressed out about anything, including debt, there's so many other detriments to our lives.

Our health, our family, our friends all can see it on us. And then when you become debt-free, you can start focusing on things that truly make you happy.

It really is true happiness. I've had many individuals make up with family members after going through bankruptcy because they don't have the stress. It really changes your mindset. and it allows you to have the freedom, the mental freedom, to take care of what's really important.

And, uh, I certainly recommend it for everybody because, as we all know, life is too short.

My wrongful death, um, docket was like 8 or 9 pages long with Ben Crump. Yes. So when my third set of attorneys had got it, it ended up being 138 pages, 139 pages long. So I don't know what Ben Crump was doing. I don't know if he had to skills at the time to even take my case where it needed to be. You know, I wasn't trying to get like just hurry up and settle out of court. I really wanted you to go in there and fight. And then, you know, they just say, um, he wasn't a great talker back then. So it— I just got— kept getting phone calls about him, you know, that he's not—

you saw it for yourself.

And I saw it for myself. He also— yes, it's a lot of times that I had to suppress my feelings, and I wanted to express myself when I was on Good Morning America or the Today Show. And I remember him telling me, nobody's going to pay an angry Black woman. So that's why y'all probably see me looking like a deer in the headlights, because I was not allowed to speak, you know. And I was just angry and mad, and I couldn't get it out. Yeah. So it—

he told you that no one would pay an angry Black woman?

Yeah, yeah.

Um, unfortunately it happens. We have, um, what we consider— and I'm not saying that Ben Crump is this, but you do have a lot of clout chasers. And we've seen the demise of Black Lives Matter and where all the money was going. And I know they used Tamir's name to raise money for the organization. Did you get anything from Black Lives Matter?

I was able to get something through my attorneys. Yeah, we was able to walk away with about $400,000 or $500,000 from Black Lives Matter for money that they raised.

Yeah, but how much did they raise is the question.

I, I probably could never know. I'm still waiting on Sean King to pay me the rest of the $100,000 he owed Tamir for doing whatever he did in Tamir's name without my permission. So who knows, that's probably why y'all don't see him no more, because when I called out the movement a couple of years ago, um you know, Sean King, and especially Tamika Mallory. And I never met her, but I was just seeing how she was moving, and I just didn't like it. I didn't like how she went from, I guess, uh, the Me Too act down to the Tatiana Jefferson, down to, uh, Breonna Taylor, then George Floyd. It just wasn't looking good to me. But when she did— when she went to Breonna Taylor, she, um did a, uh, the awards was that year, and she had went on the stage with Lil Baby. And I got the text, and that's when I called everybody— Evelyn, Chaser, Chow Clayson, and whatever. One of them Ivy League kids, colleges, one of them kids took that post and made it go viral. Next thing you know, I was being talked about in the Clubhouse, the Shade Room, and everything else. And I know nothing about it because I'm not a social media personal like that. And I had to get phone calls saying, you're being talked about in the shade room, you're being talked about on Clubhouse, because I had called the movement out. And I almost had a heart attack off of that. But at the end of the day, I was just expressing my feelings because I got tired of it. Like, why are you on stage with Lil Baby? Where is Breonna Taylor mama? And where's the rest of the families that need to be represented at that time? You know what I'm saying? So I just I don't like the clout when it comes to the activists and you out there speaking the name and we don't have no real results in the end. It's just for recognition, awareness. That's cool and all, but we need some indictments and we need some convictions. It's too many of us have lost our lives with no real accountability. And that's sickening. It's very hopeful for this country. I'm going to tell you that now. It's very hopeful. I'm not for sure how George Floyd and Sayyia Macy was able to get convictions, uh, maybe because there was a video. I have a video and I don't have no conviction, and my son was a baby. So at the end of the day, I don't know what's going on up in them courthouses and what favoritisms is going on. I don't know. But the state of Ohio was crucial. That's what I'm gonna tell you, is real crucial. I don't know if you know anything about the state of Ohio, but it's very crucial up there.

No, They got more babies hidden in basements that they don't know about than any other state in the world. When they had found them girls in the basement that had been living in the basement.

Oh, the Castro. Yeah. Yeah. I could tell you a little bit about that. Oh yeah. Because Cleveland tendency to mind their business, the neighbors tendency to mind their business, I can't understand how nobody And they sent police out there, but Cleveland police don't never do their job correctly. It's the summertime, it's boards on the windows, and you see somebody coming in and out. All the boards is boarded up. That shit had been a red flag there. All of that stuff that was in the backyard, the pool, how it was set up and everything— I mean, whatever it was, like a little baby pool— that should have been a red flag. Um, it's just, it's multiple things should have been a red flag. And then it takes for the guy to walk down the street To hear them say help, we would've never knew nothing if it hadn't have been for that episode to happen. I'm going to just be honest with you, because nobody kind of prying in each other's business, which is sad. But Cleveland police, they don't do their job and they still not doing their job. They still not even in compliance. We've been under a consent decree since 2015.

Because of what?

Because of the useful force in Cuyahoga County. They like to use useful force in Cuyahoga County. From my understanding, this is the 3rd or 4th consent decree within the last 30, 40 years. Meaning that the feds keep coming in, keep coming in, keep coming in to investigate them. Somehow they pass or whatever and they come back out. But this is the first time we had a federal judge over our consent decree. Are still not in compliance, which is— I don't understand how they're not in compliance with whatever they need to be in compliance with on that shit.

But can't they cut federal funding to the police department if they're not in compliance? Why do they keep funding them?

I don't know. Ohio is a different type of state. I don't know. I will hope that they could cut the funding and put some professors in there to teach some of these police officers when it comes to the delicacy of the mind and how delicate it is. Um, a lot of them need, uh, well, most of the police officers need like a sociology degree or something like that, um, for they can understand when you approaching a human being, it's a certain way you supposed to act. And that's what we missing.

The same training they do when it's, um, when kidnaps are involved and there's ransom, how they'll have somebody come in to emotionally stabilize the situation and de-escalate. And de-escalate.

So they seem to be—

escalation should be their, their main thing. Because when you do— like, I don't know if you travel a lot. I travel so much, but it's like the things that we hear about here in the States, you don't hear about that like in other countries. You don't see schools getting shot up. You don't see kids getting shot by police officers. There are some countries where police officers are not even allowed to carry guns. They're only, only batons or That's it, you know, because they're taught to de-escalate the situation. Like, we don't need to, um, use violence with violence, but because, you know, I guess the United States is built on, you know, we got the right to bear arms, they're afraid of us.

Yeah, it's a mess. I wish we didn't have no guns over here, but, um, and the people that do have the guns, they just need to be accountable for it, you know. Even if, even if Tamir was a grown adult, the NRA did not speak up for him because we live in an open carry state. They don't know if Tamir had a license to carry a gun or not if he was an adult. How do you just come up like you the Wild Wild West and take somebody's life? We live in an open carry state. They could approach him and ask him anything if he, if they really thought he was a grown man. He could have had his license, his little license, CCW license in his pocket. So they do not take accountability. And that's another thing, the NRA should have stood up and said something for all people that got shot by the police where they always say it's a gun involved, because they don't even know if some people have license to carry guns. So that's a good point to point out.

I mean, the NRA got a rude awakening with Charlie Kirk. You know, and Charlie Kirk was pro-gun, and he said, unfortunately, we're gonna have to lose some to gain some. And, you know, I feel like he was— he was self-sacrificing himself. Yeah, as a lot of people would say. But like, you know, that right there goes to show you. And, and to them, the way they're putting out the story— because I don't personally believe it, in my opinion, I just don't think a child Because anybody under the age of 25, to me, is a child mentally.

Yeah.

Could put— could pull off a shot like that in a crowd under pressure.

Yeah.

And I just—

I—

and, you know, hit a major artery to where it— there's no coming back from that. They did one and they were out. I just don't— I don't see a child doing that.

No.

And, and we haven't heard anything about him. Like, we hear about George, George Floyd's killer. We hear about uh, uh, uh, Breonna Taylor's killer, all, all the people who have died. But when it comes to his, it's just like crickets. Where he at?

I don't know why they—

UnitedHealthcare executor, like, you hear about him, but like, what about the dude that, that killed Charlie? That was one shot. That— yeah.

So yeah, I don't know what this world coming to, but I know it's at the end. I know it's at the end.

It's tough. But, um, tell me about Tamir's childhood. What type of kid was he?

Well, he was a loving kid and a mama's boy. He was a 6th grader at his passing. He loved to play the drums. He also was part of the art community because he liked to draw and paint those Beat Boy things. He used to draw Beat Boys and the kind of car lowriders. So he liked to do stuff like that. He also liked to play video games. Play sports, really like what the normal American child likes to do. Because he really was an All-American kid, from playing football, from playing basketball, shooting 3-pointers with the big boys, from helping the little kids at the recreation center or even at his school because he was almost like the tallest one in his class. So they would have to put him to work and have him reach stuff that some of the teachers probably couldn't reach. But he was a loving kid, very loving. Would still let me hold him at the age of 11. He was still playing with toys at the age of 11. He was still watching Curious George and the Big Red Dog. Like, he was transitioning, you know. He was only 12 for 5 months, so he was transitioning from, you know, a kid to almost like a preteen. So yeah, no issues in school?

No, got in trouble?

Oh no, he never got suspended. He just had his, his normal I think kids have their own behavior issues in school, but not never suspended. Um, just very energetic. Um, you, you have to put a program together for him because if not, he will put a program together for you. Um, but yeah, he was just the all-loving child, to be honest with you. Very loving, very, uh, affectionate. He suffered separation anxiety from me, um, because I had such a horrible pregnancy with him. I was homeless in a shelter, uh, just coming out of domestic violence relationship with his dad. And, um, that was probably one of my worst pregnancies. I cried for 6 months. I didn't gain no weight. Um, yeah, so I felt all that stress in the womb. Oh yeah, they feel it for sure. So he had separation anxiety. He ended crying when I had to take them to the daycare, ended up having a hernia from crying so much. I felt so bad, but I had to go to work. I had to obtain housing and get a job so I could get all my kids back. And I ended up working my case plan with Children and Family Services very successfully, ended up getting legal custody of my kids. Just because you have them don't mean they're yours. You have to get legal custody of them. I did not know that. And they wanted me Yeah, so I tell you about it, and they wanted me to be a liaison for, um, Children and Family Services, but I wasn't ready at the time, so I denied that one.

So because you were homeless, you ended up losing custody of the kids?

Yes.

And then you had to get legal custody? You had to establish legal—

Yes, ma'am. Yes. In America, if you have a child in America, don't mean it's yours. That's how Children and Family Services could come in your house and take your child at a drop of a dime. If, if you did not file and go to court and get legal custody of your child— that's anybody in America— the child is not yours.

That explains a lot.

Yes, ma'am.

Even though we're on the birth certificate?

Yep, don't matter. It don't matter. You have—

so you telling me right now, for any reason, if— because, you know, CPS gets called and they want to decide Right. They want to— the child is their property.

If you don't have legal custody, if you never went to court to file the motion for legal custody, it's not your child. They come in and take it just like that. So you have to file for legal custody in America for your child if you don't want Children and Family Services to come in and just take them right away. And don't get me wrong, some of these children might need to be taken. Under— because of the circumstances with their parents, their mom or dad, especially if they're not living in a house that don't, don't have anything. And knowing the mom get all of this or the dad get all of this and they still not taking care of the child, okay, I see, I see that. I'm not never, um, praising that someone, you know, that anybody take anybody kid, number one. But in some circumstances, if the child is being neglected and abused to a certain extent please come in and help. But for people like myself and others that go through hardships, Children's Family Services don't really help nobody. They didn't help me. The only thing they was able to do for me is show me what a shelter was. Yeah, and maybe write a referral for me to go, maybe gave me some bus tickets, and that's about it. I had to work my own case plan, which was domestic violence parenting class, Then I had to get housing and obtain a job. And I did all of that.

So you were ultimately punished by the state for coming out of a situation that caused you harm, your unborn child at the time harm, your other children, because you have 5 children. And they made you go through all of this to just get your children back and destabilize you. But where's the father? I got to say, you are the only one that has been able to get a formal statement from Brashear regarding the allegations that Blau had mentioned on our platform regarding Will Smith and Charlie Mack and Diddy allegedly raping, uh, Brashear Gray, you know, an enormous amount of times. And that's the reason why he was able to get on, uh, Empire.

But it wasn't until I saw your show and some other things that even seeing Bilal on the red carpet at an award show in the background where Brashear was speaking to the camera is when I realized that this— he was more than just a set assistant, you know. Um, so if this is just a set assistant and you're quick to say set assistant, why was the set assistant able to blackmail Brashear? And when I say blackmail, there were— Bilal had took pictures of Brashear's apartment that was disarrayed.

Well, I have 3 baby daddies, and, um, they were all established because they make you establish paternity when you have an open case. Um, that they all was paying child support at one point in time. Um, yeah, that's about it. And, you know, well, the children were placed with— so my oldest was placed with the grandmother, which is the dad's father. My mom wasn't around. And, um, my son's father, he went with him. And then my— then Tajay, my baby girl, she went with my cousin. I didn't really have nobody to take her. Her dad couldn't take her because we was in a domestic violence situation, so I had to let my cousin take, take her. And, um, yeah, so I had to obtain housing and a job in order to get my kids back, and that's what I did. I was able to do that. And I went to court to get legal custody. I didn't quite understand what they meant by legal custody, but when that paper said legal custody, I said, oh, this is what they mean. It got to say legal custody, because if you ain't got legal custody, don't matter what's going on in the household.

So if parents are out there watching now and they wanted to go establish legal custody right now of their kids, basically it makes it harder for the state to come in and take them.

They should just go file a motion. Motion for legal custody at juvenile court. Basically, that's it.

And I'm, I'm about to do that.

Yeah, everybody, everybody should do it. Um, yeah, because people taught me something new, you know. Yeah, so it's just really unfortunate how they take our babies and our babies don't even make it out the system, you know. Sometimes that you hear so much bad things about Children and Family Services and, um, certain institutions and stuff like that, and people don't even never make it out from neglect or having the wrong people over, over, you know, overseeing things, you know, because somebody— some of them foster parents, they're terrible.

They're terrible. Yeah, you go from one enemy to another. Um, as far as Tamir's dad, yeah, um, has he been a part of Tamir's life?

No, we don't really talk about him as much. No, no.

Even after— no, nothing.

It's a lot of bad, um, blood between us, so I just leave it there. Um, no support from him, the family, or anything. We have 2 children together. We have Tajay and we have Tamir. Even after Tamir's death, I have still not got any support. She's 25 now, but I still have not got no support, no nothing.

So he's behind on child support pretty much.

Well, no, he, he's not behind on child support. That's— I guess it's over when she turned 18.

It's not, because it could be rearage if he didn't pay when she was—

oh, well, you can go right now and still establish disability. So maybe, maybe they probably can't do anything. I don't know.

They can. They'll hit the disability check. Only reason I know this is because my mama got rearage, uh, from my dad, and I was 23 because I was pregnant with my daughter at the time and married. And he was like, hey, I need you to help me. Your mom, uh, your— I gotta go to court tomorrow and she says that I owe her. If I don't pay this, they're gonna put me in jail. And it's weird. So she was still collecting a check up until I was 23. I ended up buying it because I didn't want him to go to jail.

Wow.

You know, I stay out. They, they stuff— if she was to call me, ask the same thing, I would do it for her. Yeah, I'm just like, all right, Dad, I got you. Paying my own child support. But, um, yeah, you could still pretty much collect on that. It doesn't matter.

Well, Tajay was getting her own check at one point in time. She doesn't get it anymore because of the settlement and how she lives off of her, um, her trust fund right now.

And I was going to say, did he try to come around when you got that, that check?

Uh, what he got— he got, he got his portion. So in the state of Ohio, it doesn't matter if he never paid child support. From what they told me, they recognized that he lost a child. So from them recognizing that he lost a child too, he was able to walk away with some money as well. Yeah. Yeah.

In addition to the $6 million? Because that's—

no, no, that's, that's, that's addition. No, no, that's within the $6 million. Yeah, that's within this.

Oh, I would have fought on that.

I tried.

He don't have legal custody.

I tried, and that magistrate was not having it. There's some scary white men in the city of Cleveland, especially at that probate— that probate department, it's like a mobster being run down there. You hear me? It's scary. That's all I gotta say. If you don't know what you doing, you better find somebody that do, because when you go in that probate building, you have to know what you're doing. Them people do not play. And that's where all the decisions being made about money and property and assets and stuff like that— they give me— they give headache. I feel like I got to go to school to be a lawyer just to deal with them. But, you know, it's a lot.

They probably don't even know their job. Some of them courthouses, they got all their paperwork. It's like, do y'all know what y'all doing down here?

It's a lot to deal with. And the magistrate just wouldn't let up. But I don't think that magistrate is there anymore, so I'm happy about that. But we still have to deal with— Anthony Russo was the judge for us in the, in probate.

The, the person—

yeah, for the settlement case. Yeah, Judge Anthony Russo. So I probably will be, um, revisiting him in the future because my daughter is still, um, living off of her trust fund, and I need to kind of adjust it because when they did it she was 17. So I need to adjust it to now that she's an adult for things can run a little bit smoother. But, um, Cuyahoga County is very crucial. I'ma just be honest with you, it's crucial up there. I know we got a lot of states that's similar or cities that's similar, but ain't nothing like Cuyahoga County, Cleveland. I'm gonna be Cleveland, it's the trenches, man. It's like cutthroat. I heard somebody say that the other day, it's like cutthroat in Cleveland for sure. Cutthroat. It's like crabs in a bucket.

You know, I have a team member that's from Cleveland and he can't stand it. He said, I'm never going back, I'm never—

I don't blame him.

I can't do it. He said, and it's— and you could tell like he was raised with some type of trauma, not from his family, but from living in Cleveland. I'm a Black man, are they gonna— are they gonna come get me?

Yeah, that's scary, dude.

You safe, man.

You—

we, we incorporate America. What is you doing? But he still— you could tell by the way he was programmed. No, you don't know these police, you don't know In Cleveland?

Yeah, they, yeah, they real rough. And yeah, they're real rough. And well, how can I say to you, you don't know if you can get a bad one or a good one that day. Let me just say that. And the way that they train these officers, I don't think they training them correctly because, uh, how do you get what, 20 hours worth of firearms? Is that firearms?

Training.

Training. Is that it? 20 hours? They need more than 20 hours, and they need a certificate for them to pass a psychological test. I told them to take some of that money that people want to defund from there, go get a professor from a university and bring them in to teach one of them academy classes and get them a sociology certificate. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know all you had to do was have a high school diploma to be a police officer. They don't require anything. They need to require a whole lot to be police officer. So I— it's just hard. I'm only one voice in Cleveland, you know. It's Cleveland, you know, certain communities do stand up for me, especially, um, especially the, uh, the west side of Cleveland stands up for me. The west side of Cleveland is predominantly mixed. It's like diverse on that side. And then the east side is predominantly Black. Black. It's not too much diverse. So a lot of my support come from the west side of Cleveland, um, where they just come up and show out, show up for Tamir and myself whenever I want to do something in the city. And I'm very appreciative of that. Um, unfortunately, you know, I've been working on the Tamir Rice Afrocentric Cultural Center since 2019, and I have not had a chance to any type of support from the city of Cleveland, um, because I guess I'm not with the— I'm not with the whos or the whats, and I kind of just stand alone because I don't want to be, um, used by the city of Cleveland because they didn't use me so much. I don't want to continue to be used.

What you mean?

Um, I just think that that, you know, when it comes to— Tamir's political, right? So when it comes to the political platform, they will mention his name, they may use his face, um, and just acting like they all down for me, where I don't feel nobody in Cleveland, especially when it comes to, um, the council and the mayors that we have had, county council. Like, they— the community is just suffering. Suffering so poorly. And I come in there and I speak, and I speak in reference to what's going on in the community or what's going on with Tamir, if I may mention. We have an event, or I may mention something about the school that we just helped redesign, the park area that we just helped save. They hear all of that, but as far as any kind of single support, They don't help me uplift his anniversary, his birthday, nothing. So I just feel, I feel really alone out in Cleveland with like no support from any of the foundations or any of the, um, the small companies out there, you know, that should be coming in to say, hey, she's doing a great thing, let's support this lady. I ain't doing nothing but trying to do after-school programming because our school system them. Yeah, they said it's a C. I don't know how it was a C when it was just the F and the D 2 years ago. They closing half of the schools, they combining them, and our children just be on the corner. And I just didn't want to continue to see that, so I did the Tamir Rice Foundation, which we developed the Tamir Rice Afrocentric Cultural Center where we provide after-school free programming for our inner city children. Yeah, with mentoring, tutoring, expression arts, free music lessons, and we have a performing arts studio in the back. Tamir, one of Tamir's favorite things to do also, he liked to, he liked to act. So I will put on Sister Act or, um, what's that, what's the Ferris Bueller Day Off? And he would sit there and act that out, him and his sister. He would act out Money, Rush Hour. He would act out Rush Hour talking about, do you understand the word? Like, he would actually act everything out. So it was really possibilities to where he could have been. He could have been an actor, he could have been the next Kobe, LeBron, he could have, he could have been the next David Beckham because he loved to play soccer too. So he was really an All-American kid. In the 5th grade, he was on a soccer team at R.G. Jones, and he hit a couple goals, goalies, and they actually sent him a jersey from our soccer, women's soccer team at Cleveland State University. So he was an All-American kid. When I say that, like, he could have probably dominated any sport because he was 5'9" with an athletic little build. But I mean, he was a kid. It's not my fault he 5'9" and 180 pounds. His dad is 6'4" with an athletic build, so he was going to be tall, okay? And Tajay, she's, she's not that tall, but she's a little— she's— everybody's taller than me. But I knew he was going to be pretty tall because he he was tall. He was tall when he was born.

He was a handsome kid.

Thank you.

Tell me about your, your grieving process. Have you completed all phases of it?

No, I don't really get a chance to do a lot because I'm super busy, um, being a mother, a grandmother, a voice in the community, and still building Tamir's Afrocentric Cultural Center and, um, building Tamir Rice Foundation and and making sure I build his legacy correctly. So my grieving, I grieve every day because I don't know how I'm able to do this. I don't. If I had to do it, I wouldn't be able to get up out the bed. I know it ain't nothing but God and the spirit that's leading me because I'm not, I haven't had a chance to mourn my son. I've been fighting since I hit the ground, you know. So I have had some retreats here and there, but It always feel like business. I don't get a chance to just not let go. It's like I'm always worrying about something, especially if you're a mom and you have the fear of getting a phone call. And them kids be calling my phone, I be scared. So it's just like I'll be living like this for the rest of my life because of what the police has done to me. Yeah, I'm petrified.

Was there any remorse shown from the police department or the officer that did it? Did he apologize to you?

No, I just stopped him again from getting a job. Timothy Loman.

Well, actually, he was trying to get a job still.

So yeah, so after the death of Tamir, he— so let me give you his record right quick. After the death of Tamir, okay, he tried to get a job out in Bel-Air, Ohio. They contacted me and said, Miss Rice, could you please come down here and do a protest march? We don't want him in our community. Bel-Air, Ohio. I had got one of my attorneys, and we made phone calls into Bel Air, Ohio City Hall, the police department. They ended up letting him go, resigning. It's what he likes to do, resign. Once he found out that I'm on his ass, he resigns, okay? He was like— the second thing was he was acting like a first responder, and he was playing football with some of the first responders. Some of the Black guys found out who he was, and they was about to whoop his So he ended up leaving, leaving that. He went to Tioga, Pennsylvania, where I guess, I guess they didn't recognize who he was. And at this point I'm like, what, is his file following him? Because if his file is following him, they wouldn't dare hire nobody like this, that murder kids. Come to find out, the reporter contacted me. Now this was a small city in Tioga, Pennsylvania. With like less than 1,000 residents. I didn't know that, and they was Trump supporters, okay? I didn't know that they put my son's face on pictures in protests and they didn't want that man in their community. I didn't ask them to do that, but thank y'all.

Okay, thank y'all.

I didn't ask them to do that, but they did not want him in the community because of what he did to my son.

So him trying to move into communities when they find out that, oh, Oh, wait a minute, you living here?

And yeah, they contact me. I guess it'd be a reporter, it may be somebody from the ACLU. They always contact me. They contacted me when he went to West Virginia. He went to White Surfers Springs. From there he went to Montgomery, West Virginia. From there he went to Snowshoe, West Virginia, where I just found out over Christmas that he was working. And my team worked fast We made phone calls and my attorney attended emergency meeting where Snowshoe Resort is a small town with rangers and stuff like that. They decided to let him go.

They decided to let him go.

Amen. And then I have to see if he's out in Gilmer County where he was with Smokey. Smokey was the sheriff out there. He's a Black man. His name is Smokey. And he did not never return my phone call back. but I don't think that Timothy Loman is working out there with Smokey, because they call me. Somebody will call me and let me know, "He's still working, Ms. Rice." So I don't think he's working in West Virginia. Now, if he try to go somewhere else in West Virginia, I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised if he become an ICE agent, to be honest with you, because that's how corrupt he is and that's how corrupt this system is. So we should be careful and we should be aware. Um, it's, it's, it's not fun at all. And Frank Grambeck was the driver. He was the, um, FTO trainer. Um, he was like a senior trainer with Timothy Loman. He's second in command in the police department. He's second in command.

That's all I know. Is it because he didn't pull the trigger?

Yeah, he's second in command in that police department. He didn't really get no, um, ridicule against him. I think he got, what, a 5-day suspension? Yeah, I think he got that.

But did he draw his weapon?

No, he, he was the driver. He was the one that drove through the— over the hill, through the swing set, right to my son.

Oh, I saw that.

He was the driver.

I saw that.

Yeah, he was a driver. It was 2 police officers, Timothy Loman and Frank Grimeback is his name. And to be honest with you, the brake lights was still on when he shot my son Timothy Loman. So the whole case is messed up. They never even— they never even had a verbal conversation with the grand jury. They, um, the prosecutors was allowed to read statements. So Tamir Rice case was messed up because of Timothy McGinty. He was the prosecutor at the time, and he did not remain our prosecutor because of the misconduct in Tamir Rice's case. O'Malley is the prosecutor now. O'Malley promised— his name is Mike O'Malley. He promised to look into Tamir Rice's case because that's how he got into office. And when I called him after he settled on down, he got on in, I called him and he told me he don't deal with use of force cases anymore. But if—

so he used you to get votes to get in?

Yep. And I stopped his endorsement.

Yep.

Because he wanted me to come into his office to explain why, and he knew I couldn't come in his office without an attorney. So once I told my attorney— my attorney, my local attorney is Sabo Chandra— um, once I told Sabo, um, he wrote a letter and I was able to pass it out to the Democratic Party, and I stopped his endorsement. When he was— when, when it was time to put him back in position again. It was him between him and somebody else, but I stopped his endorsement. But he still won though. You— it's around like a mob. It's scary. Chicago and Cleveland is scary. They swear like a mob. From my understanding, Michael Malik and his whole family come from Chicago. What are you doing in Cleveland? I don't know, but it's around like a mob and I don't like it. I never liked it.

So you mean to tell me the officer that murdered your son has never showed remorse to you at all? Never said sorry? Never said— Nah, this is why I think, you know, mental health is important with police officers, because they do suffer a lot of post-traumatic stress sort of just from being on a job. I get it. And that is the reason why I feel like mental health departments need to be dedicated to these officers, because if they already have a certain perception based off of past experiences or maybe he was afraid for his life that day. I don't know what was going on right there. I, I think honestly, if I were in the political arena, which I'm not, I would probably push for they have to get evaluated every 6 months.

Yeah.

To see if they're even fit to carry a gun.

You ain't lying, because some of them ain't even—

imagine going 20 years not doing mental health. You're, you're— every day you're dodging bullets, you're, you're fighting for your life, you have built up perceptions your, your, your just everything just kind of changes. It's like somebody being in the military and they go to war and then they come back and they have to go to sleep with these images. Exactly.

Like, reload, you remember that? 137 shots. Yeah, no indictment, no nothing. So that goes to show you how Cleveland is. How do you get on top of the car and reload and reload and you— it's two, it's two Black— that, that, that right there crushed me. And also my son's murder, like those two in Cleveland crushed me the most. Um, and it was scary. We didn't have nothing with that. No nothing. No uprising, no indictment, no nothing. And it's, it's just like Cleveland is okay with being the way it is. Let me just say that. And I'm not okay with it. I believe that we have some powerful people up there, and if they know they was powerful, we should come together and kind of do an uprising, you know. But Cleveland ain't that type of city. It's not.

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Oh yeah, I did. I was in Charlotte for 5 years. I came back to finish my building because I came— I had ran into some bad contractors and a bad architect, so I had to— I'm in the process of getting ready to sue them because they made my project kind of go astronomical high. But yeah, I was, I was in Charlotte for 5 years. I just came back to Cleveland about 3 years ago. That was the most peace. That was the most peace I had during this whole 12 years. This is going on 12 years for Tamir. So it's a piece, the only piece I had for real. But I had to come back because they were messing me over about my building up here in Cleveland. Then my daughter had another baby. I was coming back to help her as well. But I'm on my way back out. Don't you even worry. Once I'm done with this building and putting everybody in place, I'm not going to be in Cleveland. They probably know I'm not going to be in Cleveland. I have a lot of things that I can always come back to Cleveland because Tamir Memorial was out there that the community and myself was able to put to pay for and we put it out there and it's over by his school. So I have that. It's a historical landmark too. So where Tamir Rice was murdered in Cleveland, Ohio, it's a historical landmark. We put a $120,000 memorial over there. Me and the community did that. So I always got that. The gazebo, the actual gazebo is in Chicago with Theaster Gates. It's at the Art Bank. It's on the same street as the Obama Library. So when people go see the Obama Library, they could come right down the street. To the Art Bank and they can see the gazebo. It's right outside. Fiesta was able to make a nice resting place for it, as, as he— as I asked him. So it's a black gate around it, it's protected. It's a spirit in there, it's a strong spirit of Tamir in there, and anybody that walk in there will be able to feel it.

Next time I'm in Cleveland, I'll be sure to—

Chicago. Yeah, that's the gazebo in Chicago, but The memorial is over at Cadell Park. Yeah. Okay. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Yeah.

Pay my respects.

Thank you. Yeah.

Real quick before we wrap this up, how did you get in contact with Charleston White? They hate him on the internet. I keep telling them Charleston is one of the good guys.

He's definitely one of the good guys. I just know Mr. White from mentioning my son's name, and I'm so appreciative of him mentioning his name. Speaking righteousness about his name, right? And trying to hold the community accountable and saying that y'all should be standing up for this baby as well. And I appreciate that. So that's kind of how I knew about him. But my bestie Kim, she actually been trying to reach out to him for over a year and a half. I think she was trying to reach out to him through Say Cheese TV. I had nothing to do with it. It was some Conversations transpired. We never got to Charleston White. And then she just kept reaching back out, kept reaching back out. And one day he finally called back.

Nice.

Yeah.

Because that's how we got connected.

That's how we got connected. Because she said, he always say, yo, she's like, he always speak about Tamir. You gotta meet him. You gotta meet him, Sam. They call me Sam. You gotta meet him, Sam. He always speak about your son name. I said, yeah, I know he always speak about my son name, but I don't know where to— I don't even know where to look for him at.

Charleston has put his life on the line.

Yes.

To help Black families, especially in Dallas.

Yeah.

Get justice.

Yes.

For people who were shot or wrongfully, you know, just murdered or jailed by the police. And, you know, he came through and told some shocking stories, and so did his mother. And she was just like, Charleston went outside, had guns sitting in front of the parents' houses, the to, you know, saying, oh, y'all gonna let them see their, their, their child, or this. Like, he is— and they've locked him up illegally for doing that, put him in mental health institutions. Um, but because of his mom, every time they lock him up, she go get him and she's like, bring my baby out there, my baby ain't did nothing. Because he does, um, raise awareness for corrupt police officers.

Yeah.

And people like that.

And so, um, he asked me if I had wanted to to talk to Timothy Loman, and I told him I don't know. I'm, I'm very— I'm crushed. I'm hurt.

Oh, that gave me chills.

Like, he said that I should try to meet with him, and I'm like, I have to think about that. That's very tough because he's disrespectful by still trying to be a police officer for the 5th or 6th time. Why am I the one trying— why am I stopping them. Like, why are y'all calling me? Say, Miss Rice, what is he doing out here in West Virginia? Ma'am, I don't know what he's doing. This is a, um, somebody reached out to me on Messenger on Facebook, okay, a community person, and asking me why is Timothy Loman out in, in West Virginia. I don't know, but I'll do what I can to make awareness, to make my phone calls, and make the to make the noise that I need to make, um, because they always want to go protest. Once anybody find out he's a police officer, they calling me, do you want to go down there and protest, Miss Rice? I'm like, hold on, let me get some more information first. So yeah, they always calling me to come protest when they find out that he's back trying to be a police officer. I have stopped him already like 5 or 6 times. I wish he stopped.

Why not I guess do this in reverse Timothy Lohman, which is maybe be an advocate against, you know, wrongful shootings for officers or going around to police departments to educate them. Why do you still want to— you, you can't be trusted with a gun around anyone.

No.

And to me, that, that is mind-boggling. I will continue to do that until So he flips the script and tries to be on the safe side. It was like years ago. This is before I had a public show. Well, it was public. It was on local radio, but it was no visibility to the show, which means only voice. I had interviewed an ex-KKK member, Klan member. And yeah, this man, you know, got bodies. He's been to jail. And he said, I was taught that. Like, it's not something that— I didn't get to wake up and be like, oh, um, I want to be this today. This is what was bred in me and my family. And, um, you know, after losing a few people— I mean, after, you know, you know, him experiencing and killing a few people and going to prison and having to sit with, you know, Black inmates in there, and, you know, he was stripped of everything that he knew, which 'cause the white supremacy, even though they had him in there, but it was like, y'all are the reason why I'm here. He said he always felt like it was wrong. And so he ended up partnering with, I think the Muslims in jail. And they forgave him, they educated him, they poured love into him. And now he dedicates his entire life to showing love and to see him, some of the tattoos, he's trying to get 'em removed. But 'cause you know, it's not just white supremacy, He said Nazis, Swats, and anything that wasn't white. He was, he was raised that way.

Wow.

And so to see him now, like, in pictures— I do see him come across Facebook. I may bring him back on the platform just to see how much he's transformed his life into, I'm going to spend the rest of my life giving love and to any and everybody as much as I can. I know I'll never be able to bring back the lives, but, you know, that have been taken, or just the the hate that I bestowed, but I'm hoping that love will overpower. He's such a, a good person.

Okay, well, I, I do believe people can change. For Timothy Lohman and Frank Grambeck, I, I would like an indictment though, because my DNA changed when my son was murdered, and my kids' DNA changed, and my family was destroyed. He should be held accountable, and I would like an indictment and a conviction You know, he should have never been a police officer. He was found unfit, undeaned to carry a gun. Um, he was careless with his, his bulletproof vest. He was crying on the gun range. His mama had to come and get him. Like, it was multiple red flags why he should have not been a police officer. Um, and within 6 months on the Cleveland Police Department, I had a dead son. So my life had changed forever. And, you know, I think he should go to jail. I would like for him to go to jail for the rest of his life. I would like some closure there. I don't have any closure with him on the loose. I don't have any closure because I just don't, especially what's going on now with all these ICE agents. You know, he might be one one day, who knows? I don't know if he keep getting denied police departments and they keep finding out and they call me and I work very quickly and I call down there. I call the police department and I, you know, I say whatever I need to say. I have my attorney call down there. Apparently they don't know, they don't follow his record or something. I don't know.

He must be a likable guy.

I don't know.

Or they just may be a shortage and they just hire him.

I don't know, but it's not, it's not cool. You know, people should be fearing for their life if he is in their community. I don't know if he had a chance to rehabilitate himself within 12 years. He hasn't reached out to me one time to apologize or anything, so I, I don't know. All I do is keep stopping them. You want to keep trying to be a police officer? I'm gonna keep stopping you.

As you should.

Yeah, that's just, that's just where it is at. All of the focus is focused on him, but with Frank Grambeck second in command at the police department. I just haven't had a chance to run into him yet. I don't really have nothing too nice to say about him, but he should be held accountable too. A year before my son was murdered, he beat up an African-American Black woman, and that city paid her $100,000. She wouldn't even talk to me because I was trying to build a racist case on him. Yeah, she wouldn't even talk.

Is she under an NDA?

Like, she probably— yeah, she might have, she might have been on like a gag order or something. So she wouldn't even talk to me because I believe that Frank Grambeck was racist. And that's just— or is— still is, or whatever he is. But I do believe that, um, because I was trying to build a case on him, but she wouldn't talk to me.

But, um, it's, it's, it's unfortunate because like you or me, like, I'm a Black woman, I have a son. Yeah, my son goes to the park and plays. My son plays, uh, you know, without my permission, I'm sure, water guns. Um, I don't buy him those things, but other kids just like have them and they think they're cool.

Yeah.

And, you know, and we have somebody because I believe in every city, county, state, there is somebody that the officer that took your, your child's life, and that could be one of us. And that's why my story— your story— I don't normally take stories like this because I don't like to ignite feelings in people that remind them of grief or put them in a state of grief. But at the same time, I have a platform that could hopefully educate enough. Yeah. To where even if they're officers, you know, or lawyers or prosecutors, that they'll, they'll see you and they'll see many women or just parents in general that look like your children. And, and when these officers or people get out of line, they will, they will take it serious so that if he gets held accountable, guess what, the next officer won't be too quick to do that. And it's sad that it took George Floyd for them to really kick in? Because you haven't really heard of anything since George Floyd.

We just heard about the Sayyam Macy case, and I was wondering, you know, where is the people speaking about that? And she just, um, it disappeared. So I just, I don't know, I just wish that we had a fair justice system. That's what I wish. And I wouldn't have to hurt and be in pain all the time. And be fear of my life. At the end of the day, it's about what's right and what's wrong, okay? I'm not looking at no culture or none of that. I'm looking at what's right and wrong. Now, if Tamir was a white boy, it's possible he could still be alive. But what's going on now in these day and ages, it's just a possibility, you know, because we don't know. We seeing everything unraveling right now. You know, nobody's safe in America.

I was talking to you about that.

Nobody's safe here.

Our, our pre-call, I said, you know, it's a dangerous world when white folks are dying.

Yeah.

For civil rights and nothing is being done about it. And they're making up stories as to how it was done. Oh, the officer that shot and killed— the ICE agent that shot and killed that woman in the car.

Yeah.

He had been hit and received stitches 6 months earlier, or the AI video that's going around of the doctor saying, you know, he posed a threat. And I'm like, it was for y'all. Like, how was there a threat?

Like, yeah, it's never a threat.

And you know, if they've escalated from us to, you know, them, it's like, who's next? And I say this, and you know, I'm, I'm sure that this may be taken the wrong way, and And it's, it's a lot deeper than what people think because like I said, if for years Black people were dying— oh yeah, now white people are dying. And it's like, who's behind the deaths? Who are the ones that are not dying? And this is why we have the uprising going on in the Middle East, because I personally feel, in my opinion, were all puppets to the, to the master, which are the ones that have their own schools. Yeah, they have their own healthcare, they have their own religion.

Oh yeah.

And you need to be purebred to be a part of it. And so you never hear them, no, but they own everything. And so when we're seeing this happen, it's like, what is really going on? And I, I want people to—

yeah, I told Mr. White, I said, uh, Mr. White, we are all we got. Literally, me going to the United Nations, talking to, um, I may have been 27 or 37 countries that I had to give a testimony in front of. Didn't quite understand why I was there. I didn't know why I had to give a testimony, but come to find out it was just documentation. It's documentation what happens down here in the United States. Nobody's coming to help us. So that's what I gathered from everything and talking to the United Nations, not once, not twice, but 3 times. Like, why are we giving testimonies? Are y'all sending people down here to check these police officers, and no one could give me an answer.

It starts from the top up, which is the government that, yeah, you know, employs, and the state.

And yeah, I thought they was going to send them to them, but we are a land of savages. Yes, you're right.

And rejects. And yeah, the rejects was rejected out of Britain, UK, and they came up over here and they took the land, and now they and everybody can carry guns because they knew one day somebody was gonna come back to collect.

Lord have mercy.

You can't shed that much blood and—

my God—

and not think that there was going to be a time where somebody was gonna have to answer for what you did. And so it's, it's, it's very unfortunate. And now, um, you know, yours is just one of many, but I just— yeah.

Yes.

The fact that Tamir has a mama, and you know, you're a Black woman, you— and that's the reason why you've gotten as far as you've gotten is because—

Yeah.

Black woman, you— it's like, I got time.

Yeah.

I got all the time in the world.

I got nothing but time. Yeah, for sure.

What we doing? Until something gets done. And Tamir is lucky to have you. Thank you. And I know he's watching down on and protecting you. Guiding you.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Um, it's a struggle every day, um, and also with my kids. Um, so I have 3 children, um, living now. Um, my first, um, child that I buried was stillborn, unfortunately, at 6 months. And like I said, that was a lot for me to go through because I'm 19, my baby fully developed, up and they made me hold him. And I just, 19, in shock, speechless, didn't really have a lot to say. I don't even really think I cried a lot because I was confused on what happened to my baby. I thought, y'all, the doctors, y'all supposed to be watching what's going on. So I ended up having a stillborn, and, um, I had my son after that, then I had my daughter, then I had Samira. So, and I had to bury Tamara at 12 years old, and that was the worst thing I had to do, to have to buy clothes for a child to get buried in and shoes for a child to get buried in. Um, that was the worst feeling in the world. Um, I don't wish this type of— I don't wish none of this on anybody. You really have to be a chosen one, and there's so many of us that has been chosen but I'm talking about a particular chosen one to kind of carry this torch out, to be honest with you. And for some reason, he picked me. The almighty Lord picked me to carry the torch. I don't know why, but he picked me to carry the torch, and I'm gonna carry it. I got a lot of fire in me, and I'm very fierce, and, um, I'm here to bring the drama and the noise if that's what they want. I just really need a team back. I need a big team behind Um, but I know how this world works, right? You know, we're gonna have some casualties of war, and it's just not a fair corporation that we live in. I'ma just say corporation because we know America is a— it's a business here, y'all. This is, this is a whole business. And I really thought that I was gonna get justice for my son. I did. I really thought—

what do you say to people that think, well, you got paid? Do you put a price on a life?

No, you don't put no price on no life. No, ma'am. Mm-mm. That money was given to me by the judge to say you could go heal your family now, basically. Basically, that's what they said. You could go take this money and do good by your family with it. Yep, that's what I was told. And if I didn't take what they offered me, they was going to make me wait a couple extra years, and it probably not have been 6 million, it might have been 4 million, and then they can appeal that. And yeah, so they— did these urban cities, they do do a job on you. I come straight from Cleveland, right out the gutter, broken home, and, um, I just never thought that I would be here today, you know. I thought I been to raise my children like I had planned I did have a plan for him. I planned everything out, but God had a different plan, and it could happen just like that. I planned everything out from there, for the colleges, from after graduation to their careers. I planned everything out for them, and God just took it, and he showed me who was in control, because at that point I was no longer in control. So life will chin-check you, and I thank Lauryn Hill for explaining that to me. You know, I seen an interview when she said, uh, life will chin-check you, and I felt that all the way. I felt it all the way, and it has chin-checked me, and it has turned me into the woman I am today. Cleveland has turned me into the woman I am today, to be honest with you. No hard— no holds barred. Believe it. You know, they They don't like to see me coming at city council, but I'm entitled to be there.

Here she go, y'all be on y'all P's and Q's.

Here she go.

And they sometimes look like they seen a ghost that walk in the room. I know my presence shakes up quite a few people in Cleveland, but I'm okay with it because I haven't done anything wrong. I'm representing for my son and the people, you know, and for the most part start. Just want to get this building finished. And Mr. White's going to come and do a comedy fundraiser show for me at the end of February. He's going to come and speak to some of the children at the library for me that's registered with our foundation. So I'm happy about that. I know he's a, um, he's an advocate for the youth and he can give the youth a positive direction. So I'm all for that. Um, and I'm grateful for him and you. And, um, I just want people to know Tamir is loved. And yeah, we did— we miss him dearly. Yeah, he could have been— he could have been the next Obama, to be honest with you. I really don't know what he could have been. America robbed him from me.

You know, I could tell you what he is. Yeah, he's a symbol.

Yeah, right now. Yeah.

And I know you would give anything and trade anything to have your baby back, including your own life. You know how we as mothers do, like, yeah, take me, leave him.

Yes, take me.

And I'm like that with my baby. Take me, leave them. I'm fine. I've had enough. I've seen enough. And Um, but what Tamir Rice stands for is, is so much bigger. Yeah, you know, I think he's bigger than Obama.

Yeah, right now. Well, yeah, he is. Yeah, you know, it's unfortunately when, oh, you know, so many people died on Obama watch, and I'm just don't understand how we didn't—

while he was out here fighting for the LGBTQ.

Yeah, yeah, so many, so many.

I know they're gonna get mad when I say that, but I don't give a damn.

So so many Black boys and Black men die under his watch. And I don't know, was that a punishment because he was a Black president? They wanted to show us in America that he didn't mean anything. I don't know why so many Black people died under his watch. And I don't know, I don't think Obama said or did anything.

I think if he was— if they were gay Black men, he would have stood up for them because he sure did pass a lot of laws. And I know the LGBTQ may get mad, but I'm just like, we're human.

Yeah.

And why is it an LGBTQ life above a human life? You are human first. Yeah. You're a woman and man first, regardless of your sexual orientation. And I just feel like, you know, symbolically he stood that, okay, um, we can do this. But at the end of the day, we all know who's the puppet master. And yeah, he was a puppet, and he made sure that we stayed focused on things that really, in my opinion, were just minuscule.

Yeah.

So, but thank you, Miss Rice. And for your organization, you want to give out the website where you can be found, contacted, donations?

Yeah, um, TamirRiceFoundation.org.

Okay. Yep.

And we have a PayPal link. You all can donate on there and just stay posted on, um, our upcoming events on Instagram and Facebook is probably where you can reach me at. And then on our website, we also have a contact sheet where people always contacted me to come and do speaking engagements or something like that. Um, so there is a way to contact me. Tamirricefoundation.org, or Instagram and Facebook. I love it. Yeah, Tamir Rice Foundation. Thank you.

You are beautiful.

Thank you.

And strong. And I wish everybody had a mama like you. Thank you so much, uh, Winos. And, uh, she'll definitely be back. And so just look at that camera and say, now you gotta go for now.

I gotta go for now, but thank y'all for having me. Bye.

Thank you, Miss Ryan. All right, now where's Charleston? Let's see. Cut.

Yeah, check.

And we was right on time too. Did Char—

did he, um, come?

Yeah, he landed. So he landed like right after you had landed. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah.

All right, one second. Uh, check. Let me stop you right now, cuz you got to take a look at these waves I got, baby, waving at you. Oh yeah. Yes, ain't that cute? Shout out to Honey Beauty, the only products that I use that actually moisturize my hair from root to tip. And as you can see, because my hair is so short, you can see the root and the tips. I love that it doesn't have any cancer-causing chemicals, no preservatives. And so stop what you're doing, hit the link below in the description box as well as in the comment section, and Google Honey Beauty right now so that you can start to love your hair. As I'm loving all these waves right now, that's waving bye-bye to y'all. Look at these, look at these, look at these. So, um, Charles, I don't know why my winos be— every time we put out an interview, you talking to him again, and they be like, oh, I love him. They have a love-hate relationship with you. They think you really the bad guy out here.

I'm, I'm, I'm they kid at school, and then I come home and fall in love again. So I'm the, I'm the kid that they sent out to school, misbehave outside, and then when they come home, he's like trackable. So I don't misbehave in real life, but I come online and do like—

I'm here to tell them, like, you set up this between me and Tamir Rice's mother.

Uh, I do a lot of, a lot of behind the scenes. Uh, I work with Dolby's mother, uh, uh, Lil Snoop's mother, uh, Mo3's mother, FBG Duck's mother, uh, the little kid Bibby out of Jacksonville with Julio Foose. There's a lot of and things that I work with. So yeah, yeah, I don't broadcast it because you need to. It's documented, so I don't have to. If it wasn't documented, then I would have to.

But I guess amongst the female audience, it takes away my notoriety.

I want to— I want to be a villain.

Okay.

Because most people come to play a sheep, but they're a wolf in real life. So most villains don't pretend to be villains. I wake up every day and intentionally go online and play a villain. I've never been to be a villain in real life. I've never harmed nobody in real life.

So why did you want me and Tamir Rice's mother to connect?

Part of my infamy centered around her son's death.

She said that. She said that you said her name and her son's name in a lot of interviews.

I couldn't believe when he died. Uh, between him, Trayvon Martin, I kind of understood Trayvon Martin because he was an angry kid, uh, who was sent away to deal with his childhood issues, his adolescence. So he was angry when George Zimmerman confronted him. He got an authority problem like most Black males. I understood that George said something to him. He kicked George's ass. George had to kill him.

He did whoop George's ass.

He whooped George's ass. Excuse my language. So, so, uh, George really wasn't looking to kill him, but he had to because that kid was gonna maim him. Uh, you cannot let an angry Black teenager, 16, 17 years old, get on top of you angry with violence. Uh, he'll hurt you. So I kind of got George. I, I didn't get Tamir Rice. I was still heavy, heavily involved in youth advocacy. I was working on capital murder cases with a mitigation firm out of Dallas, Texas, partnering with one of the best criminal defense lawyers in North Texas, a guy by the name of Mitch Nolte. So I was actively doing that. So when his death came, I was— and I hate to say this, you could have got me to lay my life down for that kid. Yeah, you could have got me to lay my life down for that kid. So other things happened after that where it ruined my relationships and my community partnership with local police departments.

Yeah.

So I literally had to be put in the mental hospital.

I remember I was telling Ms.

Rice that, that you put your life on the line. They had said, and I wasn't, I was just angry and frustrated, but I had convinced law enforcement of the courts, uh, and politicians, because they personally knew me, that I was homicidal and suicidal at the time. They thought I wanted to be killed by a police officer. And I was saying, what, nobody willing to die for our baby-to-be rights? Uh, and I was really trying to rally some niggas to die for it, including myself. Uh, that, that was a call I would have been willing to lay my life down for. Oh, I would want somebody to do it for my baby. So I had to accept as a black man that I'm a coward in America because we ain't willing to lay down our life or kill or spill blood for, for our rights and our freedom. So knowing that, we have to wake up and submit to the coward side of our nature because there's something— there's an innate nature in you to self-defend. And we've never self-defended ourselves. We attack each other, but we've never self-defended ourselves against anyone else. So I thought that was the perfect opportunity. Then here come George Floyd. Y'all mad the fuck at everybody behind George Floyd.

Yeah, I cried for days behind George Floyd.

I didn't give a damn about George. I thought George committed suicide.

I'm a woman. Well, you don't want to see no Black man, no Black child die like that.

I knew what George done before he laid down. George was a convicted felon that kicked a Black woman's door in, put a gun to her pregnant belly, threatened to kill her during a robbery, home invasion. That's what he went to prison for. So I already knew he was a criminal to us. I already knew he was— I saw the whole video. I don't know where I was able to see that, but I saw the whole video with him with the dope fiend nigga and the dope fiend bitch in the car when He digested the drugs. So I'm saying, big old nigga, go to jail. If you would kick a Black woman's door in in the middle of the night, put up— you see she pregnant, still put the gun to her belly. Why not kick and flop with that white boy on top of you, nigga? You a big old nigga. You just go lay there, nigga. You don't have no will to live. You don't have no will to fight, nigga. Make him get off of you, nigga.

Make him.

You just go lay there. So you just go lay there. The thing keep breaking off. Oh, so you just go lay there. That's what got me. So I saw a coward. I didn't see a nigga we supposed to fight and die for. That kid is what I saw we was supposed to do what we did for George. Yeah. So he was like the spearhead of really the Black Lives Matter movement, but he was ignored. Court. It was too hard for America to accept the fact that a cop was wrong for killing a 12-year-old Black kid. So me knowing history, that's our modern-day Emmett Till. We just didn't get the casket open. So I, I, I became his voice. Yeah, I became his voice.

Ms. Rice, you holding it together? You got some tissue? Let me get you some tissue. You're emotional.

Yeah.

What about what he's saying is making you emotional right now?

I wish it was more people like him.

There you go.

Because America is such a horrible, horrible country. That my son had to be a face and a sacrifice. And I don't even know how I'm able to get up out the bed after that every day. So it's, it's heart-wrenching and heartbreaking. I just wish it was more people like him, and I wish we had a just system, you know, because I'm never going to have no closure as long as Timothy Loman is serving 100% America. Yeah.

So, and, and to hear her say that, uh, I'm a, I'm a guy who believes in the court system wholeheartedly. I've never lost in the court system. So you got to think, I, I was, I was adjudicated. I was tried and adjudicated, not convicted, uh, because I was a juvenile who my crime stayed in family court. It didn't go to criminal court. So my murder case stayed in family court as a kid. It worked for me. My record is sealed. So I was a kid who made one bad choice and decision that cost me my whole teenage life. I was able to go in the system and still be a kid. I didn't have to grow up fast. It was a boys' home, boys and girls' home. It was secure. We wasn't getting raped. We wasn't getting stabbed. So I was fortunate only to get out and have my record sealed. Within a year after getting out, uh, there's a statistic that says 80 to 90% of juveniles are rearrested within the first year. So I got rearrested after doing almost 7 years on a murder case. Uh, I was going to go enroll at the University of Arkansas with my, uh, for my, my first year out. My cousin was selling weed. Uh, I'm playing big cousin and just drive the car, and we get stopped with 10 pounds. Week. So I take the case, but I remember my mother saying, you got a mom and sister too, why would you take a case with somebody? I said, no, Mommy, he can't make it. I had just done 6, almost 7 years. So I end up getting 5 years deferred adjudicated probation, uh, and 6-month prison boot camp. 5-year deferred adjudicated means these felonies are not on my record. So every time I've been in trouble and, and I I, every time I've been in trouble, whether it was a misdemeanor, traffic tickets, my presentation and how I walked in as a Black man and articulated myself worked for me because I know how to speak the language. So if you know, uh, if you know this system, you can win in this system. You just have to know it.

The officer that murdered her son, um, she's winning in the system.

She's just fighting by herself. If she didn't have to fight by herself this system works.

I forgot to share with you that when I went to the DOJ under the, um, Biden administration, did I share with you that Christian Clark— I went to see her at that time with my attorneys, and my attorneys sent the letter, uh, with Bryan Stevenson and Angela Davis' signature on it and some of her, um, Her colleagues, Christian Clark colleagues, said that you could go for willful intent, Statute 242. And she tells me that the career prosecutors know what's best and she choose not to take my case to the Supreme Court. So it's willful intent, Statute 242. That's what I need to go to the Supreme Court and she refused. To go because she said the career prosecutors know what was best. And I went to see her in DC with other— what, whatever her colleagues that was there— and then my attorneys, which was, um, from the Rockefeller Building in New York, and then Billy Mills from out of Chicago.

They, they can't do it because it just set a precedent. Oh, America, America relies on on his police to control. It's a tool to control. Do they serve? Yeah, they serve. Do they protect? No, they enforce, enforce laws. So when you encounter the police, typically it's not a friendly engagement, it's authoritarian. So very cops are mild and meek, they're authoritative as if they're dictators and you have to submit to their rule because their greatest power is their discretion. Discretion to write a ticket or make an arrest. Their discretion to fire a taser or shoot a gun. They have power. That's their power, discretion. So it's hard for— nothing in America changes till white America gets upset. They ain't killed the white baby yet. They ain't shot enough white dogs, white people dogs, during Alston. Care more about dogs if they, if they, if they they would have shot a dog like they shot baby Tamir Rice, I guarantee you he'll be in jail.

Oh, for sure.

If the police have shot as many dogs unarmed as they've shot Black people unarmed, it would have been stopped. I thought I turned it off. I'm sorry. But nothing— it's in the back. But nothing in America changes until white people's upset, until they're fed up. So we need more of our white brothers and sisters to just like they stood with George Floyd, man. How do you not do that for that baby? So a lot of my frustrations and a lot of my anger, and it really wasn't anger because I would pray and say, God, please don't let my heart become hardened toward my own people. But a lot of my frustration was, man, fuck them gangbanging niggas, man. I disrespected the Nation of Islam, the RBGs, the Crips. We ain't had nobody die and killed baby. It's some people— it's an innocent Black police officer got killed by some Black kids over TVs, I think in Cincinnati somewhere. So it's a lot of people lost their lives during the riots and during George Floyd. No single blood, no window was broken, no tire put on flat, no nothing. Not that I advocate and promote violence, but there's a conviction in all of us. When you see wrong, you stand up.

I mean, the Black Lives Matter movement was evolved because of George Floyd. So Well, they use her name, so they use her son's name.

Freddie Gray, Freddie Gray, Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Mike Brown, Mike Brown, Mike Brown, the young lady, Breonna Taylor, Breonna Taylor, the man, what's her name? Jefferson, Miss Jefferson out of Fort Worth that was shot in the living room. Tatiana Jefferson. But her son was the spearhead, then Freddie Gray, the Baltimore Ferguson riots. So how I became intertwined with her son's case is the FBI did what they call a national study at the time. They ran a pilot project after the Baltimore Ferguson riots. They looked out into America and they picked 6 cities that was possibly more likely to be another Baltimore Ferguson riots. So Fort Worth, Texas volunteered to do it. To do it. So I partnered with the Fort Worth Police Officer Association with a guy, the name at the time was Rick Van Houten. He was considered to be like the racist guy in the police department where all the Black people, political leaders hated him, but he wasn't. Oh yeah, I mean, white boy that is disconnected from nigga issues. Okay, that's understandable. So I went down there to connect us because I realized nothing changes and nothing is solved if we don't have good-standing working relationship with law enforcement. We have to have somebody that can go down there and talk, and talk on behalf of niggas and not just Black folks. All niggas ain't violent because they talking with their hand. So because I went and done that, I became a part of this federal national initiative. It was called New 21st Community Policing, where they They had the idea of putting beat cops back into our communities, building relationships where the police is out walking, saying hi to the neighbors, or you pull a mother over when she got 10 tickets with warrants and she got 2 kids in the back, give her some soap. They ran this for like a year or 2. So they came with this new police tactic that was called procedural justice. They trained me in procedural justice. An average cop from my city can't deal with me and I know procedural justice.

Justice.

I know the shit he know. So I would test him and go file a report on his ass because they done trained me and taught me. So they used me as a tool. Uh, this is before George Floyd. They used me as a tool to help teach and engage Black people, uh, about procedural justice and how to interact with the police. You get pulled over at nighttime, cut the inner light on, leave your hands on the steering wheel, leave your seatbelt on, don't move cool. Let all the windows down. Tell your partner, put his hands on the dashboard. And when the police get there, yes sir, uh, my wallet's in my back pocket. He know you did that for officer safety. That changes the whole dynamic of the stop. But we know we're not taught that, right? We're already reaching in the car. He ain't got a clear view. It's 3 heads in there, nigga moving. You got your seatbelt on? He got his gun. He don't know what's going on. He got to get back home to his family.

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Okay, so understanding those aspects and start to make friends with law enforcement— white, black, Chinese— you start to understand they just as scared of us as we are them. Because we see them as an enemy. We train our kids to see them as enemy. If one of them get shot, we ain't going to say nothing. And then if one of us get shot, we won't even tell them who done it. So how— who wouldn't be afraid of us when they don't live in this area and they have to come work in this area, and all of us seem to be a against them. So what mindset can they have to not pull that motherfucking gun when we do it to each other? So I feel like Tamir Rice was the— that, that was the— that was our Emmett Till. And, and not only did Black people miss the moment, white people did too. So, uh, I caught a case fucking with cats, saying, man, I don't give a damn about cats and dogs. They didn't care nothing about Tamir Rice, so I hurt animals because white folks don't care. So I would do— I would say all kind of wild my shit in the name of Tamir Rice, hoping it brought awareness.

I remember that online. I was saying, and they were trying to get me to expose you for fucking with cats and dogs.

But I was saying, I was saying white folk love, but they can kill us. They can shoot our baby. And I would always go back to Tamir Rice. I tried to mace a cat. Cat won't even let you mace it. Dumbass dog. They too. But dogs was dumbass. But white folks. This is what I found and learned about white folks from working with troubled children. They'll pet a dog before they pet a troubled kid. They'll walk by a strange dog, oh, your dog's so cute, and let the dog lick him in the mouth. But walk by a hungry, dirty Black kid, won't even touch it as if it's nasty. But be walking your dog and watch how much affection they give you for your dog in public or whatever. But be walking with your kids and watch how this, that, they're taking them backfire. So I start saying, man, fuck animals. I mistreat all kind of animals to get back at white folk. That's my reparation. And my cousin got all these goddamn cats over here, and I tried to mace all the motherfuckers and I couldn't. So one day I got some water. You can shoot water on the cat but not the mace because the mace give out a different sound. So I shot water on the cat and played like it was mace. Yeah, I got my lick back at white folk. This my reparation. And boy, they had some mean felony charges on my head.

They locked George Santos up for that. Remember, they tried to— yeah, because he said, I guess, said he was going to raise money for somebody, a veteran's dog that had passed, and he didn't do it. And so because he reneged on his promise, they ended up locking George Santos up. Remember the gay trans— I remember person that ran for office. Yeah.

What, what messed me up the most is also I had two aggravated assault charges that stemmed from the barbershop incident, right? The prosecutor didn't give a damn about them two aggravated assaults. He wanted me for the animal cruelty. They wanted me for the animal cruelty. They didn't care about me aggravating these two Black humans. They want about that cat.

Oh my God.

And they had been seeing me mace other people online. So they said, all he do is run around and mace people. I ain't maced that cat. Yeah, so, uh, I end up beating the charges though.

You are.

So, but I'm just— but, but so I was going to extreme measures to prove points behind Tamir Rice.

Yeah.

So that's how I got Gillies' attention, Wallow's attention, because the same kid, Pop Hunter, who's now in trouble for shooting somebody, that kid was 12 or 13 years old. He had the hottest record in the country at that time with Uzi Vert. He was 19 at the time.

Time.

Gilly and his son went out and put out this kid's paperwork where he witnessed the murder. Him and his mom witnessed the murder, and his mama made him go tell the police what he saw. They made him a snitch. So I got— that's what— that's where me and Gilly beef come from. That's how I got to say TV interviews. That's how I got—

them some bitch niggas.

That's how— that's how I got my So that's how I got my first 18 TV interview, because Sean Cotton called me up after that rant. That's how I got my first 18 TV interview, because they shamed that kid. I said, nigga, you need to go put the mafia coat on the nigga with his mama. He gonna go against his mama. Gillie and his son did that. Lil Uzi Vert, the one that got killed.

Oh wow.

So, so his son playing gangster. He ain't no street nigga. And he just popped Corvette, Corvette. That. This was the hottest song at the time. So I'm working with kids, so I'm knowing who all the hot niggas is. So when I get wind of it, I said, man, I go ape shit crazy online. That's how I end up— that's how I got a say cheese TV interview. So Gilly, Gilly, they shamed the kid, went on a whole terror. Uzi Vert got off the album. I think, man, the kid's record sales dropped. He quietly went into a mental depression, tried to commit suicide. Oh, he ain't no street nigga. This is what getting them pushing on him. You fast forward 5 years later, that kid shot somebody the other day trying to live up to this shit. So I'm saying, I don't got—

man, nigga, that nigga, you, man.

So I'm mad about the George Floyd shit. I'm mad that they still tricking the kids with this bullshit. You got a 12-year-old kid outside playing and get killed, nigga. You niggas still pushing street codes. So that's how— that's where me and Gillie beef originally stem from. So when I done the Say Cheese TV interview, uh, I said, nigga, what Lil Uzi Vert known for? He ain't known for toting no Uzi. So that clip went viral. He took that and put it on a song. Shout out to Capitol Records, they paid me good for it too. Uh, so Gillie got in my inbox and said, you got a problem, Goofy? When I see you, I'm gonna slap slap you. You ain't never slapped the nigga that'll kill you. Now, you don't know where you've been. You ain't— don't know if y'all— you ain't never— because grown men don't take slapping. You got to kill a grown man to slap him. And when did you niggas start thinking y'all can slap a grown man? So I was insulted by that.

It's just amazing how they got all this energy for our own community, but when—

so, so then King Von and Lil Durk got on there.

Oh yeah.

Now I done connected with Tooka Mama. So I done went from Tamir Rice, man, I never directed nothing to her because I don't interfere with grief and a mother's grief.

But she appreciates, because she was saying like every time you turn around, I think it was you and your daughter, you said that he always— always Tamir Rice's name because you were essentially calling out our own community to say, listen, man, I got medical reports for me standing against the police.

When the police pulled me over, I had over 300 rounds of ammunition, just bullets, 2 different guns. I had all type of gun literature. I had been going to the gun range practicing my long-distance shooting. So they've been watching me do this. I've been stockpiling weapons, all kind of shit, man. I got a 50, man. I got some shit, uh, storing up for war because I met some Republicans, some real conservative right-wing Republican who had 300,000 rounds of ammunition. So I started hanging out with the Republicans, the RPTs, the Republican Party of Texas, and started, man, what these white boys— so I started mirroring what they was doing, going to the gun shows with them. I started hanging— I got my gun license, my license to carry, from Sheriff Bill Waverly, the sheriff for the county. He won the baddest sheriffs in the country, man. I went and infiltrated the police department and stole knowledge and information. Nation and came back and teach these niggas. They didn't want to take it, so they laugh at it. So I fuck you niggas, keep it to myself. Now, I haven't lost to the criminal justice system, never, never. And I ain't snitch to get out no trouble. I don't do trouble in groups. I don't break the law in a group.

Does Charleston know what you went through with attorney being Ben Crump.

I know Ben Crump, so she ain't got to tell me what she went through. I know Ben Crump, I know Jasmine Crockett, I know Lee Merritt, I know Kim T. Cole. I know all the prolific Black civil rights attorneys in, in the country who ain't never stepped in a fucking courtroom and beat no law like Johnny. I know Ben, I know all of them. My cousin Jesse Taylor, him and Ben rode to Austin talking about fucking Kim in the car together.

He looked like the fuck hole.

Lee Merritt too.

I helped Jack— I, I tried to help Jack—

Miss Jackie Craig, may God rest her soul, the, the mother who was arrested when her son got choked. I tried to help them to consider that. That woman still didn't get no money. So I know, I, I know they am— they ambulance chasers.

Ambulance—

so what they do is, what they do is they find somebody, boots on the ground, because it's illegal for them to reach out to her. So they'll call somebody like me, say Hey, now before I knew what I knew, who wouldn't be excited as a community guy who you think is a civil rights attorney to reach out to— hey, Ben Crump, say, can you go over there and holler at that family for me? So what Ben— while you go over there, Ben go find him a puppet lawyer, one of them low fine bitches he can fuck with a law degree, put them out there so they can get the recognition and the fame, but he gonna get the money. He pushed them out there for it because He can't practice law. Lee Mary can't practice law in court. They only got licenses in their states.

I guess that explains your 9-page, uh, lawsuit.

And I was getting phone calls from others.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fly talking Jazzy too. She was— what, she was an ambulance chaser too? So I had a 15-year-old kid by the name of Nakia Stevenson get killed at a party. Get killed at a party. I did the fool with Lee Merritt and all them, Jasmine, because how y'all tripping with these white folk and our babies out here dying? Yeah, we got some of the most— we got the highest youth violence numbers that we've almost seen since the beginning of the gang era. So how y'all fucking with these white folks but we don't never see nobody get no money? At the time, y'all had Sean King all the dope for me was going through Sean King. I wasn't even here. I know the game. They tried to bring me in. They tried to bring me in. I wouldn't play ball. I've never— I've never asked for a dollar. I've never posted a cat. I've never took no money from my people. I looked at them niggas who sold dope. I looked at the hoes who sold pussy on the streets. Y'all give me something. I never asked nothing from my people, so I couldn't play well with Sean King, Lee Merritt, and they tried to discredit me. Lee Merritt was the first person to go publicly and say that I worked for the police department. Now, nigga, I got some pull because they know I come down here and do the fool behind these women and these kids. I got Jackie Craig in the office, or I had, uh, the chief, the chief's, uh, uh, counselor, advisor, whatever. Man, let's settle this. Don't fire the white boy. Put him over here with these niggas and let him work with these niggas, these nigga babies. Babies. Let him work over here with these nigga babies since he got a problem. He'll learn us and we'll learn him. Don't fire him because we can't always ask for their head. If he mistreat a Black woman, who want his head? If they shoot a 12-year-old, who want his head? We gotta have some range. We can't always ask for their head. And then, since y'all so loving and Christian like Black folk, when do y'all start forgiving? When can we put some forgiveness down? I ain't seen them do that. I've never seen no Black Lives Matter people be forgiving. They always was angry. They ain't lost nobody. She got that right. Not the group of people protesting. They ain't lost a goddamn thing.

She is emotional sitting here.

Well, I, I said, man, I said, we can't win the fight if we look angry. So she got to do a lot to compose. I ain't never buried a baby, so I don't know what it take. I might go I would lose it. So I don't know what a woman have to do to bury something that come out of her. Uh, I just know I watched Tupac mama, I watched Coretta Scott King, I watched Malcolm's wife, I watched Biggie's mother, I seen Trayvon mother. I know the one we don't want to walk with. That's why you ain't never seen me— I get away from the ones that I ain't supposed to walk with because I call them a bitch. My spirit will, but I couldn't call her that because of what I seen. I'm going to respond to what I see. There's no other way. You can't demand it, you command it. Your presence, your actions, your dignity, your integrity, your words, and your nurture. So that's what I've seen in Emmett Till's mother. I saw it in Tupac's mother. I saw it in Biggie's mother. I seen it in Nipsey's mother. Few of them mother, they— when they bury their kids, you can't see that spirit in them. And them ain't the hoes we need. I wouldn't try to get a bunch of them. Took a mother was the closest thing I seen. I, I help pay her bills, I send her money. And I don't mean to put that out there, it's whatever come in my spirit, I just send it.

There was a lot Ms. Rice, you want to respond to anything that he said?

He's right. He's absolutely right. Um, some of the families that I have worked with in the past, um, it hasn't been peaches and cream, let me just say that. And I don't understand why we can all can't be on one accord. Some families think they get in more than others, and when it comes to recognition with our child, our loved it's always a tug, a fight, or something. I have been disrespected by a lot of mothers in this movement, disrespected by a lot of organizations in this movement. I don't know why we can't get it together, but he's absolutely right. I mean, I was telling you, it's certain chosen ones that has to be picked, and I don't know why God picked me, but he did.

Um, that's why she was hidden from us. Yeah, and we've seen all the other mothers That was discredited.

She wasn't going along with the get-along.

No, I'm not going with no shucking and jiving. I'm not smiling and grinning. I do care who at the other end of the gun. And I asked, um, I asked Trayvon Martin's mother, I said, do you care who at the other end of the gun? I think she said no. I told her I do. I'm actually fighting the police. I'm not standing and taking no pictures with them, no Congress people, none of that. I don't want to do that. I want justice for my child.

See, that's what I— if something happened me. And this, this is what used to get me. We get riled up for these shoes, then the family take the money. If a motherfucker kill me, don't take no money. Don't take nothing but the motherfucker that done it to me. Then talk money with retribution. Everything has a reaction to its action. The laws does. So how can this happen on the moral fabric of this. Man, uh, the, the court of public opinion have shaped many things in our era. It got R. Kelly put in jail, Bill Cosby put in jail, Harvey Weinstein put in jail. That was the courts of public opinion. If we would have done what we did for George Floyd, for baby Tamir Rice, George Floyd would still be alive.

Yeah, for sure. I believe that.

I do want to take credit for the R. Kelly movement. That nigga is in jail because of my—

I sure hate y'all got his ass in there too, man. Shit, I feel like— yeah, but hey, the law is the law though.

Hey, that whole documentary that TLC put out, that Lifetime, that was all me. That was all me. So yeah, we worked on that vigorously for a couple years until them crackers responded.

Yeah, what, when he was running around the last 2 years doing them. You were— you was on his ass.

Oh, I was on his ass.

He was pulling his pants down.

He tried to sue me with the Department of Justice.

Yeah, you was on his ass. I didn't like you then. You like men.

Look, you like men more than you like little girls, cuz the way you treated little girls and you took their childhood from them. Stay in jail with the niggas that can play on your ass. They are willingly doing it consensually. That's where he motherfucker belong. We can still—

a little rough in there though. Yeah, I don't think you need to make love. Yeah, I don't think you need to go slow.

Not by choice.

Yeah, not by choice. But I'm just saying, so we have the power to persuade and move the needle of the law if we want to. But when it comes to America's police force, as you can see, they can't let them take too many hits. You got Amber Guyger. Mother, uh, who in prison, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed little white girl, all the way wrong, probably was fucking a nigga. They know she— but yeah, so he come up there, they can't explain it, but they did everything in their power to try to.

This is how you know the woman that entered the wrong apartment.

This is how you know.

See, ice cream, that was, um, Bolton, Botham John.

Yeah, Botham John. That was Dallas. The only time we've ever seen law enforcement collectively come out and say they wrong, or ours is wrong, when the Black cop shot the white woman. He was like a Jamaican or Haitian police officer about 3 years ago. He shot a white woman outside her house. They immediately got his ass, and nobody made a fuss about it. That's how you do it.

But that's setting precedent.

Well, he's Black, she's white. Shot, completely innocent. He was at the wrong house. They did a white man like that in Fort Worth. They got the police, changed some policies. They didn't make no noise. You get more money if you don't make no noise, basically.

But I wasn't having it.

The woman whose daughter was found in the freezer, they hushed her. She don't make no— she didn't make no noise. She got more than what she ever got, spent it. Now she want to make some boy, don't take the money if you believe in justice.

I wish I'd have knew.

If you believe in justice, don't take the money.

I wish I'd have knew.

Because even when I'm wrong, I can take enough money to court and buy justice.

Even when I'm wrong, you can.

I can go give my lawyer enough money, pay his secretary, because he— I ain't telling him what to do with this extra money I'm giving him. But he let me know he's going to go have a meeting with the prosecutor and the judge too. Matter of fact, they all been in this courtroom all year together. The kids go to school together, so they have these conversations. They know if they do something wrong that they're going to pay us, but they're not paying us out of their pensions. They're paying us out of our pockets.

So you got taxpayer dollars?

Taxpayer dollars.

Yeah.

The taxpayer's paying.

Taxpayer.

Yeah, the taxpayer.

Because I know when I look at tickets, like especially if I get pulled over here in Cobb County or something, you can see where the money is going. Um, sheriff's retirement fee, lawn care fee. Oh, it lists out exactly what, you know, we're paying, how it's going, where it's been allocated.

But, but, but, but what you're not seeing is they got a $700 million budget. On top of what they taking in from the government. From the government. So, so that's why Trump said, if y'all don't do that, I'm not— so a lot of federal funds, the more drugs, the more gun convictions, that's bringing the funding in, like bonuses.

Yeah, incentives.

Yeah. So, so, so just for instance, uh, LAPD, when I was living in LA in 2019, they had just got their, their biggest budget of all They had a billion-dollar budget. That's the military's budget. So that's why you see our police have to act like military motherfuckers. They budget to that big. They got these toys. Where else they gonna use them at? On us. The military using them overseas, sending them back over here, sell them to local law enforcement. They got to use them on us. We're not that bad as American citizens where they have to do this to us, but they want to use these toys. Toys, right? So out of a billion dollars, $600 million is the police departments. The other $400 million is the communities. But man, I don't talk to the police. I don't fuck with the police. So if we can keep y'all over there, guess what we get to do with all this extra money? That we, we gonna send some to Parks and Recreation. We're gonna send some to Parks and Recreation because all of these things I'm gonna name falls under your police department. Parks and Recreation, Boys and Girls Club, after-school programs, 501(c)(3)s, your nonprofits, your youth outreach, everything you want to do to help Black people over there, man, I didn't go apply for a grant. Guess where you got to go? Because it falls under their umbrella called public safety. It's a big umbrella. That's your Parks and Recreation, where you most your gangs hang out at your park. So all that money, but because this community won't send nobody down here to talk to us, boy, we get to apply all kinds of toys and, man, to stage some conferences. And that's what's happening.

We don't get enough liquid D3, we don't get enough vitamin D. And so, um, I personally have to supplement. This particular vitamin D that I travel with all the time, and I make sure that I never run out of, is, uh, 10,000 IUs, gluten-free, vegetarian, has a vitamin E D and vitamin C base, okay? And so it's very highly absorbable. There are some fantastic reviews on shoptkdeals.com of women who claim that they couldn't even like lift their arms, and by taking vitamin D3, which helps your body to absorb calcium, and the calcium feeds the bones, um, they can now raise their arms, they're less pain and things like that. So who do we go to? Because I, I know we got to wrap this up.

The police department. So if you—

who do we designate from the community? People such as yourself that Tyre Rice's mom can reach out to and say, hey, will you help me go and fight my local police department? My son was murdered by a police officer. Who do they go to?

Because there's got to be nobody.

There's nobody out there.

Because, because if you make that call, you go bring a bunch of emotionally responsive niggas that's gonna come disrupt the meeting.

Well, so do we need lawyers that are qualified?

Well, I thought that's what we needed. I thought that's what we needed because I was trying to follow Johnny Cochran's path. That's why I went to law school, or that's why I went to Texas Western to go study to become a lawyer. And this was in my early 30s. I was on my way to go take the seat she sat in at the United Nations in Philly for Black people in America because it's an open seat for us. They have already deemed us, our treatment to be inhumane, but they documented it. I knew they said—

The administration just left the United States.

But he's told them, fuck y'all. And this is why he's saying that, because they're telling him we are a nation of people that's in bondage. We are not a race. We are a nation of people who have been stripped of everything. So They can't acknowledge that. So guess what they do? Hey, we pulling out the United Nations, say don't take all that shit down with them straps on their back to remove the remembrance of it. Because the world have cried and said this to us, we won't stand up and fight. So we keep trying to go to the White House, and the White House said, look, we done already made two agreements with you guys. We got you out of slavery, and we damn near killed one another. We gave you rights. You on your own like the immigrants. Stop coming to us, fucking with us. You ain't built nothing. So I said, nigga, we can't go to the White House. They're our allies, but they're also our captors. So why would they free us?

It makes sense.

So, so we're their niggas. They gave us the name niggas. We their niggas. They can mistreat us, do whatever, and the world can't say nothing. These niggas. We tell y'all what to do with y'all African, but don't nobody tell us what to do with our niggas. We do what we want to these niggas, and they're our spoils of war. If we lose a war to China, if we lose a war to Russia, if we lose a war to North Korea, we ain't got no gold in Kentucky. We got plenty of niggas that's valuable human resources. They spend all their money, so all the goods they make, shit, y'all— so we're a commodity. We're the spoils of wars. Our pain, our tragedy produces money for the American system by the boatloads. Our tragedy and our pain, they cap— it's monetized for America. That's why you can rap about it. That's why it's put in movies. So when she came back and said, I've been to the— man, I cried on the phone. I don't cry in front of nobody. I don't let nobody know I cry. Man, I went in the closet and cried. She heard me. I said, man, you telling me we on our own? We ain't got no help. Mm-mm. The United Nations said, man, all they gonna do is die. If they put us back in slavery right now and 200 niggas hang every day, they're not gonna send the United Nations police.

Mm-mm.

They're just gonna write it and say America is doing this, they're wrong. And they're gonna document it for history, but they're not gonna stop stop it.

No, they're not.

That scared the shit out of me. So I'm looking, yeah, they're not our greatest allies, our white brothers and sisters. We understand their language, we understand their law, we understand their constitution, and we ain't done nothing to them.

Do you think now with the uprising of ICE killing white citizens, well, now I think now we can mesh as one.

Oh, I keep trying to tell people, uh, because, because white folks really ain't our enemy.

It's the one that's controlling.

Yeah, but the white folks, uh, it's a small fraction that's allowing America to be invaded by everybody. That's not all of Americans. It's not all of Americans who are bringing these people in. Every time we have a war with the people, all of a sudden we go rescue the people and bring them over and set them up, and within 10 years they're more vibrant than us, and we've been here 400, 500? How is that even possible?

Because they, they come over here and they study our ways and our system.

They come over here and they get put into position, and rather than America giving them something, they give us them. We're the spars of war. Hey, y'all come over here, open up your businesses in our niggas' neighborhood, because they don't go in white people neighborhood. Neighborhood. You don't see a bunch of Arabs in Mexicans' neighborhood, a bunch of Pakistanis. Where do they get the— where do they get the business loans? Do the— how do they get the zoning contracts? Who, what, when, how? So what I'm saying, man, it broke my heart. So I said, man, it ain't nothing we can do but enjoy life. Teach who you can teach and wait to die. But we can't change these conditions. It's going to have to take a catastrophe, or it's going to have to take another phenomenon like slavery to change these conditions because we're comfortable in oppression.

Mhm.

Got to be broken down to build up.

I got to have another interview with you. Um, it can't be the—

I don't be wanting to get this deep. I want to just be the funny man.

Listen, I didn't want to be funny. You are going to be in Cleveland, Ohio.

Um, you got a comedy show there the 27th.

Okay.

And then I'm trying to get everybody to come. So I reached out to Corey Gamble, QCP, Kanye West. Uh, so I got all these people's personal numbers in my phone. Oh yeah, I'm gonna lose friends if— if— yeah, I, I—

yeah, if they don't show up.

Yeah, I ain't— yeah, well, you know, uh, I'm gonna take it personal. Yeah, yeah. I, I watched him give to I watched them niggas give to niggas who done kill or who come up dead. Uh, I watched them give to, man, all kind of shit. I watched Black people give Carmelo Anthony when they found— when I knew he was a Black kid who killed a white kid. It was the same, around the same time the little rap— the rapper and his daughter got killed. I brought that to Black people's attention. I said some more kids got killed up at the high school, but y'all don't care about that because that's a rapper's daughter, a thug nigga's daughter, a nigga who had been robbing gambling spots and still in the same car he was robbing in with his daughter living at the motel. These the niggas y'all raise money for, only for his mama, only for the mama to hold her friend all on live with Hennessy bottles, Dos E bottles. My baby gonna be buried. This who y'all raise money far. So when they found out that the kid Carmelo Anthony, the kid stabbed the white kid, black people gave like crazy. When I saw— when I saw all them same people that was around her go stand with that family, my heart turned cold toward that kid. I start believing what the media was saying, and the media was lying. That kid didn't take a knife to school. The kid was being attacked by two big brutal guys who trained in mixed martial arts since they was 5, had already broken their daddy's arm, rumored to be on steroids. But so these were some violent big white boys who was picking on a little old— so I took the white folks' side because I didn't like Lee Merritt. Don't you know all those same black people is the reason why this family is hurting right down, got him to raise all that money. And every black lawyer tried to take all the money.

Okay.

When they couldn't get the GoFundMe money, they left him. These people had to move 8 times out their house. This man had to quit his job. The daddy called me. He said, man, I just want to talk to you. I heard what you said about my son. But he wasn't angry. Nigga, I don't want to meet with you, nigga. You might be trying to— He said, man, I just can't— Can you— Will you allow me explain as a father. When he told me the situation, uh, I've been financially helping that family. So I, I went out public and made the white— I made myself a target to them white folk. All them, uh, Sarah, whatever that bitch name is, uh, yeah. So I made myself a target. If y'all do me how y'all know, I got all the guns, you white folk. Now do me like that, come find where I'm at, come to my house. So The kid got a Jeep that he had just gotten for graduation. The white folks had put a hit out on that Jeep trying to find this. They done moved 8 times.

The judge who lowered the bond then had to move because he knows that kid don't belong in jail.

She's a Black woman. But guess who doing this? White folks. Where these niggas at, man? These is white folks threatening these people like the real lynching days. So I said, nigga, I got guns, nigga. I come hold security. Matter of fact, let me buy the truck. I got the boy truck, y'all catch me in it. But I don't come online and do that. Uh, I'm still for the people, just not for Black people. I ain't for Black people, I'm for my people, my kind of people. There's a difference between your people and your kind. Uh, how you recognize your kind? By the action. A mama who ain't gonna stop fighting. I won't— I, I tried to put a team of mothers, men. I wouldn't got FB men, men.

Oh, that's how you do that.

But you can't go get nobody God don't want.

That's why I said we got to have another interview.

Noah didn't go pick what needed to be on the ark. He just built the ark, and he didn't stop building. Everything came to him. I would stop building to go pick people. And ain't how it go. They just show up.

And this is how she feels.

Yeah.

Thank you. So I love you. I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

So, so, and I didn't want to bring this up out of respect for her because I don't want to put her in no drama, no mess. I want to keep her, uh, untainted, uh, with my mess. But I could not continue my relationship with Say Cheese TV after speaking with her.

Is it true that they declined your interview?

Um, that's what my best friend said. Yeah, my best friend Kim, she had reached out. She did the initial reaching out, um, to Say Cheese TV, and I guess they denied that.

He wouldn't put me in contact with her, denied to try to link up.

But it keeps up enough beef in our community, like Vlad. Come on, say cheese.

That's what— so, so he had me in some beef at that time. He So I'm saying, I didn't know nothing about this guy. He bring this guy up to me. I'm saying, why would you put me in this shit after the Charlie Kirk shit? And we got this.

Yeah, you lost a lot behind that Charlie Kirk shit.

I lost a lot, but I gained more. It allowed me to break away from an old mindset, make right some wrongs that I had done, and rebrand. Rebrand myself. So I was able to step away, uh, from what I thought was helping me but was really hurting me. So when I would look at just the person— so, man, you know, man, we at the bottom looking, so we can only look at a level parallel. I mean, some people at the top, they got an aerial view on our life. Even when we bag our cars up, we'll never get an aerial view if they don't show it to us. So I didn't know the area of view until they showed it to me. When they showed me my area of view looking at, say, TETV, everything about his titles was negative for my image and branding and likeness. Everything, everything. It was not one positive title, nothing. And so they, they even got snippets or where I would say right things and he would go against it, and So I said, it's like you be trying to trip. I got you. But 3 years ago, you not growing. I'm growing. I ain't gonna have the same tune today that I had 4 years ago when I first came.

Well, listen, I'm glad that we finally got a chance to meet. And I did want to say something. Trayvon Martin's mom was supposed to be here today, but there was some factors at play here.

Well, Charleston White's one of them.

I'm glad that she wasn't here. I've said some things.

I've said some things not putting Trayvon Martin down, but I believe if Trayvon Martin— and I hurt their feelings when I said that— I believe if he was a manageable kid, he'd still be alive.

Would you meet with him?

Of course I would.

Okay.

I don't have nothing bad to say about him.

Me neither.

This is what I know. The average Black boy is walking around angry, angry, and he'll punch his daddy. Daddy, he'll punch his— he might not punch his mama, he'll flinch up at her. I ain't never done that to my mama. So I've been watching and studying. I'm a disobedient child, days were shortened. Why you think so many kids are dying? But her baby wasn't being disobedient, baby was just playing like kids do. When you look at the circumstances from the top to the bottom Man, it's just an innocent baby like Emmett Till. Don't know what's coming to him.

I know.

So, so, uh, yeah, so I, I, I'm not speaking against the parents. I, I just know, uh, conflict resolution, uh, kindness, politeness, manners, uh, have beaten them all for us when we use them. How you think we got here to be so disrespectful? Disrespectful?

Our parents?

Yeah, they wouldn't— them kind of people, we couldn't have got here to be this disrespectful if those before us were like us. So what you think gonna be for the ones that's coming after these disrespected motherfuckers? They gonna be back in slavery. They gonna be back in slavery. Yeah, we can still be voted back into slavery. We don't have no permanent rights in this country. They call them amendments. We can be amended back into slavery.

You know, I know we gotta wrap this up. I know, cause she got a flight, but I do want to end on this note. Two notes here. One note is I was live the other night and I did tell my audience, I said, I don't think we have rights. And I could not find that amendment cause I knew I had read it somewhere and it was just like, you don't know what you're talking about.

We don't have permanent voting rights.

Yeah, you're ignorant. And then like, if you see the comments, I can't believe she didn't know that we were permanent citizens and we have rights and stuff. And I was like, no, we don't. So I'm glad that you spoke on that. And I am going to make sure I put that amendment up for the receipt so they know that. Because a lot of times, you know, our platform, wine, gossip, and comedy, it can get misconstrued. But I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Black Americans will never have equal rights.

Exactly.

They'll never have equal equal rights and equal protection till they re-identify.

Thank you. And so, um, as for the comedy show, it's February 27th in Cleveland?

In Cleveland, Ohio.

Okay. And where's it— where's it at?

Platform 13. And that's, um, like 75th and Cedar. And it starts at 5 PM. Um, get the tickets on Eventbrite at Tamir Rice Foundation.

Okay, we'll put that link below in this video. Ladies and gentlemen, why knows Um, Miss Samira Rice, thank you. Charleston White, I'm glad I was able to bring you guys together. And I feel that things happen for a reason. Absolutely. And it was a reason why you weren't supposed to be on Say Cheese's platform, um, and you were supposed to be here. Um, and you know, I just don't believe God made a mistake at all with this meeting and to help you, um, as the years are to come. Because I am friends with everybody that I sit down with. Okay, yeah.

mama used to tell me and my brother, I can still come see y'.

All.

So that, that's what made our time, that's what made it easier for her to Deal with our choices. She can still come see us.

Your mama text me every day.

Yeah, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so. Talk to her and hear her.

I got you.

And she still got the fight in her. It's been how long?

What, 12 years.

12 years.

She still got to fight.

And listen, I believe He was 12 years old when he was murdered and now it's been 12 years. And when you started talking about Ben Crump and Sean King, and I was just like, oh Lord, this—

Man, she took us back. She took us back.

I already knew it was going left, but I said, but it has to go left in order for it to go right.

But because they benefited more from the Black Lives Matter movement than Black Americans itself.

And you can't find Sean King profile nowhere on social media. Money and fucking rent.

He went and got him a nigga taper fade. He went and got him a nigga taper fade. Looked like he was Mike Bibi's cousin.

He went live from the hospital saying he had done contract. I mean, it was a lot of shit that he had going on. But thank you so much, Johnson. I appreciate everything that you do.

And so for the foundation, man, I hope y'all come out. I'm inviting more comedians. Calamar White, I think 607, I'm going to make some appearances. Shannon Briggs. I reached out a lot of people. So I'm having a Black jeweler by the name of KD Custom Jewelry who make my pieces, and they heavy. So I had a messed up chain, so I had to get some more chains. So I'm having her piece made for me, right?

Oh, nice.

Yeah, it's gonna be heavy too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look at you in your eyes.

But, but it's going— I want her one, but I want one to go inside the foundation so his spirit can wear hanging on the wall.

So you got to go down there and see his memorial.

I'm going. Yeah, I'm gonna make monthly visits. Yeah, I'm gonna make monthly visits.

All right, I got you. Thank you so much to the both of y'all. I appreciate y'all. I gotta say, you were the only one that has been able to get a formal statement from Bashir regarding the allegations that Bilal had mentioned on our platform regarding Will Smith and Charlie Mack and Diddy allegedly uh, Brashear Gray, you know, an enormous amount of times. And that's the reason why he was able to get on, uh, Empire.

But it wasn't until I saw your show and some other things, and even seeing Bilal on the red carpet at an award show in the background where Brashear was speaking to the camera, is when I realized that this— he was more than just a set assistant, you know. You know, um, so if this is just a set assistant and you're quick to say set assistant, why was the set assistant able to blackmail Brashear? And when I say blackmail, there were— Bilal had took pictures of Brashear's apartment that was disarrayed.