From Youtube Star To Russell Simmons' Protege: The Journey Of Comedian & Poet Spoken Reasons

Katt Williams came out and set the fucking industry, like the whole internet on fire. You did a video 5 years prior to that nigga saying basically the same shit he was saying, but in a nice way.

What video?

Why I Left Hollywood.

Okay, that was a big one.

That was a big one. But you were a comedian and still a comedian, okay? Artist all the way. Songwriter, uh, spoken word artist, all the above. You've been doing this for a long time on the internet. Like, you were the first— basically, I wouldn't even have this chair if it wasn't for you. Yeah, like, when I tell you— what was your video?

I mean, I appreciate it though.

No, I'm serious, spoken.

I'm serious, I appreciate it.

No, don't, don't appreciate it.

I'm just saying.

No, just look, just say I know. Just tell these niggas I know.

Well, you know, if I say that—

No, no, it is what it is.

I don't have no problem with saying that. I know that. Well, look, see, that's that thing. Like, I don't grew. I don't grew, man.

Like, I grew, but the facts are the facts. You've been doing this shit 20-plus years. You was the first African-American comedian, spoken word artist to take this shit to the internet and not only take it to the internet, but take it to Hollywood. And then by choice, you left Hollywood.

Yeah.

Came back, put everybody on game on what's out there. And not every— I'm seeing YouTubers. I remember when you used to make the parody music videos.

Yeah.

Everybody started making the parody music videos. Yeah. You were doing motivational.

Well, hold on. Parody. Oh, okay. But parody was already out. Prior to me. There was a whole nother generation before me, but, um, it's only maybe like maybe one or two that made it out. In my generation, that was like the, the golden era.

We were only watching you. 50 million, 60 million views. Yeah, on parodies. There wasn't an artist you didn't rewrite and make it comedic and send. Sometimes your fucking parodies will be bigger than the songs. That the artist wrote. You knew that, right?

Yeah, I'll be doing a lot of stuff. I just be chilling.

And it's amazing.

I had a phase, I had a phase where it was more so like, um, in the beginning, in the beginning I took, I took my field more so like sports because I grew up watching sports and I played sports. Like, played baseball, football, basketball. I played all that before high school. So by the time I got to high school, I wanted to kind of ice out and figure out what kind of person I wanted to be. Then I went to college. I used college as an excuse, and the next thing you know, I got into what I got into, and I just wanted to figure out my way out. So when I got into the actual internet game, it was more so like a— it wasn't personal, but it was more so like, I'm coming for your head. And that's— I think people felt the steam, but they didn't really know what I was really doing.

We felt it. We all felt it. Faith, consistency, and hard work. Yeah, winos, welcome Spoken Reasons to the motherfucking wine cellar. That was your intro.

That was it. That was my intro.

All right, I told you, look, I was serious.

Now what is this? What is it?

This is a white wine. This is Sauvignon Blanc, okay? Actually grown. It's 20% lighter. In calories. I like Sauvignon Blanc.

Okay.

Rich white women taught me about this wine because I was like, how are they drinking so much wine?

It's a little dry.

Yeah, but you got water, you got 3 bottles.

You got it, you know.

I'm like, how do white women drinking all this wine and they're not gaining no weight? And it's because it's so light in calories. So cheers. I'm so excited. I'm honored to do this.

Appreciate it, appreciate it.

You know what I'm saying? Because there's a lot— like I said, I wouldn't be here A lot. I mean, just a lot of us would not be here doing what we're doing if it wasn't for big motherfucking Spoke.

You know, the crazy part is I've never actually been on any type of platform where I heard it this type of way. Like, I've heard it in the mall because they haters. I mean, you know, they're haters.

I'm going through it right now. They're fucking haters.

Well, Well, don't haters love you on the low?

They do. That's what I'm saying. But here's the thing, how do we encourage others to be inspired by art if we're not respecting art? It's not about respecting the artist, it's about respecting art.

Yeah.

You are an artist that has created some dominant fucking art that shocked the internet.

Yeah.

You went through so much with YouTube and being on social media as a whole.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Them sometimes not monetizing your videos. I mean, we're still going through it now, but letting white creators get all this money. You the only Black creator getting more views than white creators. Yeah, like you went through it. You took your show from YouTube into the comedy clubs. Yeah, I know your business. What? I know your motherfucking bit. Now, not your personal life. I don't care about all that. I care about the art. All right, I don't care about all that. Any side bitch or whoever is fucking on Spoke, so, so get somebody else to do it. Wisdom. Okay, you're a legend and you're only 35.

Only?

You just getting— you haven't even started into your second phase yet.

Nah, well, I think I'm walking into my 2.0. I'm about to— if I'm not, I'm at the tail end of my last, my 1.0. Like, I call it 1.0, 2.0. Yeah.

'Cause you know, through our 20s we have a phase where we're trying to figure it out. You accomplished what a motherfucker, what people in lifetimes work to get to.

Yeah.

And then said, fuck you, and walked away. Yeah. And now you're 35, and I'm like, he gearing up for his second phase because I got back into media and radio after walking away for a little while at 35. And it was hard. It was not easy. I remember you used to be counseling me when the motherfuckers was coming for me, like hard, you know what I'm saying? And here I am, about to be 42, 2.0.

Yeah, it take a while for you to get there because, um, like I started— like, people don't— like, I edit, edit my own videos. I do pretty much everything. Like, I know about all the camera equipment.

Preach!

I got drones. Yes, all types of things. I got microphones. I know how to work it all, but it took a while. I never went I originally wanted to go to Full Sail. You know what Full Sail is?

Yeah, my lead of video production, he graduated from Full Sail.

Yeah, my mother, she took me there and, you know, it cost too much to go. So that's how everything pretty much started. Like I said, when I first went to college, I didn't go to college to be an artist. I went there because I didn't know what I wanted to be. So I went there for criminal justice. Yeah, I went there to be a correctional officer.

No fucking way.

Yeah, because my mama— look, because my mama always told me, she said, look, nobody got degrees. You know how I go. Nobody got degrees around here. We need you to get yours. I'm like, I don't really need no degree to be no, you know, what it is.

But so, first generation graduate.

But I've had like 19, 20 jobs before I actually pretty much went to college.

What kind of jobs you had?

Starting off with cutting grass.

Okay.

I was working at Winn-Dixie. I was working at the car wash. I was working at Sears. I was working at Ross. I was doing all types of things. Like, I was working at Chuck E. Cheese.

What age did you start?

I was working at Chevron gas station. I said that before.

Was you pumping gas?

I did everything except cashier and food. I worked at the— I was a cooler boy. You know, the person where you go get your juice. Yeah, the people that talk junk behind. Yeah, yeah, that's always me. I just want to use to pull that jump back. Yeah, and talk shit before you even shut the freezer, the freezer door. I was one of them.

Yeah, where else you work?

Uh, man, I worked at, uh, Prime America.

No way!

I worked at Prime America.

Yeah, what was you doing?

I worked at FedEx. I worked at, uh, now FedEx has some good benefits, but that was— oh, I worked at the Center for Drug-Free Living. That was one of my last jobs I worked at. Okay, I probably named like probably 12 or 13.

So that was a rehab. Did you work the night shift?

Uh, I did all— I worked from— I, I did 2 to 10, or 2 to 10, 10 to 6, and, and 6 to 2. Now you had them girls trying to fuck on you? No, I didn't work around the girls. I worked around kids. Oh, I started off like—

I guess I ain't no real fan because I didn't know that.

Well, you know, I'm just saying, like, you know, I don't expect for everybody to know me. Yeah, because to me, I still see myself like I'm new. Like, I walk outside and people be like, man, that's you, man, you, you. I like— I know it's me, but I don't expect for everybody to know everything what I do. Like, there might be some people that know me for Soulja Boy, there might be some people that know me for Sandra Bullock and all the other stuff. So I gotta take it for what I take it as. At first I used to get frustrated when I used to listen to like people like 50 Cent. He'll, you know, all these major artists, they'll perform all the biggest hits. And but then all the people in the crowd, majority of them don't know there's all the other stuff they did in the lab. So that's pretty much, you know, um, how it all came down to me. I, I, you know, I was just going around trying to just find myself. And I started off as a volunteer at the 33rd Street Jail in Orlando. And then that transpired into me working with kids for like 5 to 6 years. And then—

So at Risk Youth, pretty much.

Yeah. I was already a poet and everything in between. I was like a poet, you know, in between jobs, living off of unemployment. Going from my mama's house to friends' couches and stuff like that. And then it just all transpired into like what it was.

At what moment did you discover— because I know you said you were doing poetry in between— when did you recognize that you were an actual like artist? At what age?

I'd say about 19.

19?

Yeah, 19.

Was you bad as fuck in school?

Nah, really? I was more so quiet. But all right, my real friends know I'm not quiet. But they know I'm quiet, if that makes sense. Okay, like I'm quiet. Like if you take me around other people, like, like me and you know each other and you take me around your other folks, I might not— I may not say nothing. Okay, I'm just observing. That's just who I am. But I, I talk, I know how to hold a conversation. But I wasn't bad in school. I got into my fights, I got suspended, I went through the whole nine.

Okay, because I was gonna say you from Florida now.

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't want to be fucking bad. I wasn't a bad kid.

Okay.

I wasn't a bad kid. Everybody thought because I look— I'm smart, but I was a smart kid who just was lazy in school.

Okay. Because you were— I think, you know, you probably didn't know it at the time. You were an artist. Yeah. And you needed to be inspired.

Yeah.

To work. Otherwise, you know, you get lazy. But when did you start with poetry? Is that— is that when you— like, when did you start to write poetry?

That started When I was 18, 18, 19.

You started writing poetry.

Would you want to be a rapper or something else? Everything was— no, I never wanted to be a rapper. I didn't want to be everything what everybody else was.

Well, you was good at it when you was doing your parodies and stuff. Look.

Well, coming from where I come from, you know, you either gonna be a football player or you see everybody else trying to rap, trying to make it out. And I knew for a fact, I'm like, bro, if I rap, they gonna think I'm Kanye West or something. And you know what I mean? So let me go somewhere where I can be accepted and around some people that's like-minded. Because I don't expect for people, and there's no shade to nobody that I grew up with or nothing like that. It's just the fact that I don't expect for everybody to understand who I am in the process of me trying to become who I want to be or I need to be.

Now, were you doing spoken word at like open mics and stuff like that when you started writing poetry, or was it just something you just kind of did and kept to yourself?

I just woke up one day and said I want to do poetry. That's all it was, because I got tired of, uh, switching jobs.

So you said, was poetry gonna pay the bill?

I got tired of switching jobs, so I just woke up one day. Well, what originally happened was this, because I'm like, how was you making money? I was switching jobs. I wasn't making no money off it. I never made money off of poetry, ever, even Now, to this day, I can, but even then, it's not— it's still not a thing. And that's part of some of the reason why I'm kind of here too. But, uh, going back to what you say about— about— what's the question again?

Yeah, no, no, like, damn, I forgot the damn question.

Oh, how I started?

Yes, how you started.

Well, I just pulled up— I just pulled up one day, and, uh, it was a girl that shit on me. She got tired of me wearing the same clothes and shoes. And, uh, after I realized that she said that to me. She said— because I had a new job at Prime America— I said, I got a new job. She said, oh, congratulations, boo. Uh, maybe you could use some of that money and get you a new pair of, you know, new pair of shoes. Yuck. And then I got— I went right back to the lab in my room, and I ain't cry nothing, but I just use it as, as a, as a stepping stone.

Damn. So she gut punched you right there?

Yeah, but I wasn't hurt though. I was hurt, but I wouldn't hurt. I knew I was young.

How old was she, man?

I'm like 20, 19 years old. That don't matter.

Was she older or was she your age?

Uh, she was one year older than me. So imagine me being 11th grade, she in 12th. Okay. And I'm in 12th and she moved on and go to college, and I— and kind of play the waiting situation a little bit.

Okay. So whenever you got angry or just kind of frustrated, you would just go and write poetry?

Whenever I got angry and what?

Frustrated.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never, I never, I ain't no arguing type person.

That's kind of weird. It's like, and I get it, now people just wake up one day and say like, you know, Sexy Red, I want to be a rapper, and it's like, uh, that's not right. You got a, you got a beat that we're gonna dance to anyway and a hook. Yeah, okay. Um, but for you, it's like looking at how your create, your art came together with you knowing how to edit because people always ask me, like, how do you do all this? I'm like, I learned every aspect of my business and how to do it and did it before everybody else came on board to help. You understand what I'm saying? Even, even though my husband was in production years before I got into it. And so, like, when you put all the elements of your art together and, and to see you kind of take that to the internet and bet on yourself, yeah, after working, you saying, all these damn jobs It's like you had to be creative before you knew that you was creative.

I was— I was— I used to— I used to record— I used to have a karaoke machine when I was 12 years old, when Tyler Perry, uh, came out with Madea and all that. And I used to make my own parodies of cassettes and have my own cassettes of Ricky Smiley prank call tapes.

See, that's— there we go. I knew it was something. I was like, come on now, you ain't just like wake up at 19.

Nah, but I've always been weird. Everybody thought I was weird, but weird to me ain't a bad thing. You know, people think weird is bad. Nah, it's just everybody weird. Everybody weird. I don't give a damn who you is, everybody weird.

So looking back on that now, you do realize that you essentially belong in the position that Rickey Smiley and them are in?

Uh, yeah, I know I belong here. You see People want me to say what I really want to say, man.

I'm trying to get you to say it.

Like, I know I belong here. I kept telling y'all a long time ago, I ain't shit yet. I said I ain't shit yet, but now I, now I say I ain't shit because, you know, because I got tired of people saying I ain't shit. Well, I don't like saying I ain't shit because now people, they walk up to me and be like, hey, Spoke, what's up? You ain't shit. I'm like, goddamn, that shit kind of hurt my soul a little bit.

Like, they got it from you.

Hold on, you know, I know where you get it from, but hold on, bro. As you get older, you're like, well, I'm trying to get You said the words have power. Yeah, I know. So I don't really say it as much anymore.

So you was already doing the spoofs, the prank calls, making it funny on the radio before they brought it?

Yeah, it's a lot.

It's a lot that come writing plays, maybe.

No, I never wrote plays.

Okay, but you did write a hell of a lot of fucking skits.

I wrote short film.

Short film?

You know about the short film?

No, I don't know about the short films.

Short films. Relationship Games.

Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what I'm talking about, like the skits.

Relationship Games 1 through— no, that's not a skit, that's a whole short film. That was around the time when Issa Rae and Insecure, her thing on YouTube was kind of buzzing. Yeah, we kind of came in around that same time, and I did Relationship Games 1 through 4, and she was doing her, I think, Awkward Black Girl or something like that.

Yeah, okay.

And then, uh, I had— I got other short film called Sex and Friendship. I'm telling you, these are real live. This ain't no, oh, this too big. No, this is for real deal. Like, this is that— there's a— there's so much about me that people don't understand. My short film is like a whole nother saga about that. Put a— that made people not think about me when it comes to skit. When I started doing short films, it was like, oh my God, he can actually do this.

Now you're gonna make me go back and watch all these short films. Yeah, me and my husband love short films. We're always on Vimeo watching short films and shit because they don't put them as much on YouTube as they used to. They're now on Vimeo.

I don't want it far as shopping my films to Asians and all that stuff. Like, I think when people— when they— when they— when they—

like, why Asians?

Why agents?

You said— oh, others said Asians.

Oh, I said agents.

Oh, agents. Okay, I was like, why Asians?

What the hell? I shot my scripts to like agents in different studios and stuff like that, but I think that people— if I think that folks, they look at it and say, well, you only did one movie, how come I haven't seen you or nothing else? And now that you look at it, you see Neil Long, you see everything coming out.

Mm-hmm.

And now people are starting to, the, the consumers are starting to get a better understanding of how it actually works. I don't expect for them to completely understand it. Hell, I don't even completely understand it. But at the same time, I think that it, it, it's just, um, you know, I would ask that the consumer just be a lot more patient when it comes to public figures because At the end of the day, you don't know what these people going through. You know that.

I do.

You don't know, you know, you don't know what kind of financial situation they may be dealing with. And because we live in a microwave era right now, everything is so quick, so instant that we just, we put so much pressure on our own Black public figures, so much to the point that they don't even want to do this shit no more. A lot of them don't want to do this no more. A lot of them be, a lot of them would rather, I tell you, I'd rather go be a construction worker and, and, and, and live in my peace than to try to do this every day and try to satisfy people.

But I think that's where we get it wrong. And for me, I'm kind of— I'm very fortunate to know and to have early on that I'm doing this for me, because if I was doing it for other people or trying to satisfy them— I remember when I first came out, I had more dislikes than I had likes on my videos. Like, people be like, why do you do these videos? Because it's for me. I don't give a shit. And I got a reaction out of you. And so they're asking me like, oh, she enjoys this. I don't enjoy people hating on me, but I don't give a damn. It's my art. Yeah, it's what makes me happy. And if I can't do this, I don't want to be here.

Yeah, exactly.

And I don't give a fuck what you say about it. So Let's start, because when you brought your art to YouTube, in a year you took off. You, you took off real fast.

I started in 2008. Yes, my channel started in 2008. Well, yeah, I would say within 2 weeks I blew up because I got fired in early February. And if you look at the track record, well, I think late January or early February, and within that time I blew up. And within like 2 weeks, I was already ready to go.

What was your first video?

Uh, my first video was when I was picking at Baldwin Hills from back in the day. I was doing a reaction video. Okay, just a reaction video, that's it. And then it went from something— I pretty much utilized all, all these different videos to do what I wanted because the channel was Spoken Reasons, but I had a plan behind it the whole time.

And YouTube really wasn't that popular back then.

It was popular, but it wasn't as popular as it is now.

It was kind of like they had this saying in mainstream because, you know, I'm too busy trying to get hired at radio stations. They will always put you on the street team. Oh, you're gonna go to the internet where the rejects go. So it was still kind of this taboo. Yeah, where people who weren't accepted in normal society would go. So I guess that's where you say people always call me weird, you know what I'm saying?

I've always been a YouTube baby anyway. Well, not baby, but No, you are. Well, okay, when you say baby, like, I probably started watching YouTube when I was maybe 11, 12. That's a baby. But now you got kids born into it for real. I remember coming from the analog days of cassettes and all that. I recorded my own mixtapes off the radio. I've done it. I've been around 8-tracks around my grandma. Vinyls around my daddy. Like, I'm saying, I'm an old school cat. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Yes, I see what you're saying.

You still consider that baby?

When I think of in terms of YouTube baby, for me, like, you—

I'm a baby.

You, you made YouTube popular when your videos started circulating. I don't remember why, man. I remember watching Just the long faith, consistency, and hard work. I probably watched that thousands of times.

You know how many people got tattoos of that on their bodies?

Man, the inspiration. It was just the motivation. It was like all the years that you had grinded was put into that one fucking video. I watched it all the time. And this is when I was living in Hagerstown. I was in my first bankruptcy. And your— that video, oh my God, it was just like— I would just watch it whenever I got discouraged.

That— that—

I'm gonna put a clip of it in here.

And what does that stand for? Faith, consistency, and hard work. Those are the only keys you need to make it in this game of life. That brand was created on Jay-Z's birthday.

Really?

Yeah, 2011. Okay, December 4th, 2011. Oh, I'm a Sagittarius.

Okay, you knew that? No, I did not know that.

Why you laughing?

I don't get into like—

okay, my bad, my bad.

I mean, I know I'm a Pisces and I'm creative.

Yeah, so, okay, all right.

Yeah, now you're like, oh, okay, my mama Pisces. Give me that glass. Come on, let me see. You're getting low there. Yeah, it makes you relax. I do have consent. Right.

You got consent. Consent. Consent. You know, you know, you know, I had something too, you know, where, you know, since you want to bring up the whole consent thing, what's up? Uh, you know, I want to go into this real quick. It's been a tough month. It's been a tough 3, 4 months, uh, for, for, for, for Black men. And I want, I want to say from what, September to December?

You talking about with the Diddy shit?

Oh, 2023. You seen it?

Yeah.

Now I came up with this thing and I said this. Oh, here you go.

No, I'm listening. I'm listening.

I came up with this thing. I said, you know what, man? Obviously we know the ratio to Black men to Black women is going down on sexual charges and stuff like that and assault charges. Black men is like, it's almost like it's 9 to 1. It's almost— hold on.

Okay.

Now I said this, I said, you know what, if they ever give me another movie or if I ever walk a red carpet or something and I catch a woman to grab my dingaling, I'm calling the police.

You should.

I'm dead serious.

Nobody should be doing that, especially if it's a public figure.

I'm going for $90 million.

They'll settle in. I want everything.

I want everything. Everything.

Everything.

I want everything. Please grab mine.

Now they're gonna use that against you in court. He told me to grab it.

Why you did that?

See, I deal with this shit for a living. Well, you kind of told her, so I mean, it's really—

hey, you gave— hey, I do not consent for anybody touching my— don't, don't grab me, I'm calling the police.

It's true though.

And I don't want to hear all the blogs or whatever coming out talking about, oh, he weak. No, no, no, bro. No, City Boy's up.

Crunch it, boys, up!

Nah, bro. And so, hey, and this is not making jokes about like real situations, but it's just like, hey man, if you can't get it all across the board, I don't really want to hear nothing. I'm exhausted about all this stuff out here.

Listen, everybody got to get their money. They got to get their money.

So yeah, I see it.

I ain't hating on them. Get it. Okay, now back to that video, fake assistant and hard work. So When you enter the YouTube space, like, what— that was your first video. You said you put it up to a reaction video. You put up a reaction video. How often were you making videos after you did the reaction video? Was it something like you just did once a month, or was it kind of—

maybe every, I don't know, 2 times a month.

Okay.

And then when it got for real, I did it 2 times a week.

So how long did it take it to get for real? Before it became like a real thing?

February 2011.

Were you monetized?

Yeah, I've been monetized since, since, um, 2010.

What was your first check on YouTube?

I didn't beat the threshold.

You know what I'm talking about?

I didn't beat it, so I had to wait like, you know, a couple months. Yeah, I don't know, maybe like $300.

Okay, that's more than what my first check was.

Yeah, mine was $100 and I want to say about maybe $300, something like that, maybe $200, $300. Yeah, I can't remember. It was, it was low, but it was cool.

Okay, and so did they, they gradually go up or was it just kind of like the same until that year? So they were $300, it was like $300, $600, $7 here. Okay.

But it didn't really go up until I actually quit my job when I said I'm doing this full time.

That happened to me too. Yeah, I was making $150, then $300, and then actually I had no choice but to quit because they were gonna fire me and I didn't want it on record.

Because I look at it like this, my whole motto was I'm like, all right, well, I'm already paid, I already got a side job waiting for me to go, and I want to make it my main. How do I go about— how do I go about doing it? If I'm already— I'm looking at my peers in college, they spending 4 to 8 years in college doing what they do. They, um, studying overtime for exams, you know, you know how hard they work. They got sleepless nights. Yeah, you know, barely getting by, broke, all this stuff, got jobs and everything. And I'm like, you know what, roommates, I'm like, you know what, if I can put that same amount of energy of what they put into somebody else's stuff or what they want to do outside of college, you know, you know, yeah, and put that in, then I know for a fact I can do it in my lane. So I pretty much applied the same schedule. I was already working from 2 to 10, 9 to 5. I had like 2 jobs I was working for real, for real, like with college on the side. I would— I wasn't getting no sleep.

So it just gave you the inspiration to just say Imma bet on me.

Yeah.

And how old were you?

I was 22.

And see, a lot of people at 22 don't have that type of push.

Well, my mama, she wasn't playing that shit. So what you mean she wasn't playing that?

You ain't gonna lay up at her house?

She was one of those, uh, you know, when you turn 18 you get not type. But I was the type, I wasn't arguing with her, I wasn't going back and forth with her. It was more so like a And she wasn't abusive or nothing like that. It was just that when you turn 18, you're my only boy. When you turn 18, you gots to go. My dad had already died when I was 10, so I was already the man of the house.

How'd he die?

He died of a heart attack.

Oh gosh.

When I was— when he was playing, uh, basketball at the St. Petersburg Fire Department.

So he was young.

He was 50.

That's young. That's really young.

Yeah. Damn, I know I'm smiling and everything, but you know, I was gonna say— no, no, you know, I'm just— it's just other stuff, you know. We good.

You happy?

No, I ain't happy about it.

Okay.

Nah, nah, nah, nah. When you say young, it just— I remember saying that to my grandmother when, when, uh, when I was younger. I thought 50 used to be old. Like, I'm 10 years old, so I'm thinking 50 is old. But that's my stepdaddy too, though. They ain't my real daddy.

Okay, where is your real dad?

Where's my real dad? He's somewhere around here.

You met him?

Yeah, I met him when I was— I met him in 2018 for the first time. Well, I knew him, but he left when I was 2.

Does he look like you?

He look just like me. Hey, I try to say he look— I try to say I'm like— I look like my mama, but, uh, is he—

why did he leave?

Everybody keep telling me, yeah, Your daddy's your twin.

Why'd you leave?

I wish I had my phone.

Hey, I know he looked like you.

He looks just like me. I'm a junior, he's a senior.

Okay, so you have his name?

Yeah, but my stepdaddy, we all had the same name. I got it.

John, John, John.

Yeah.

So your mama just loved Johns?

Well, hold on, Mama, we ain't gonna go here, but hold on. My stepdaddy name was Johnny.

Okay.

My stepbrother name was Johnny as well. He was a John Jr., a Johnny Jr. as well.

Okay.

I'm— I got a John Sr.

Okay.

And I'm John Jr. It's 4 John.

My daddy named John.

Damn.

He named my sister— he named my sister T'John Duh. Goddamn, that's crazy. Oh shit, he ain't get no boys, so he said I just had to add to the Johns, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. It was just funny. I was gonna say, does he look— I could just tell him.

He looks just like me. He just got freckles and he got— he light-skinned. Okay, funny, because I'm like picturing your dad, a lighter version of me but with freckles, and he got a full-blown beard.

Is he silly like you too?

I don't know.

Okay, your mom ain't never tell you?

Well, we— when I, when I met him, we got like very similar traits. I can tell why I am the way I am though.

Okay, so it gave you that closure?

Yeah, but I wasn't looking for him though. I wasn't looking for all my siblings.

You got a lot of siblings in Florida? That's why I never dated nobody in Florida. My great-granddaddy had 27 children. My dad, I don't even know how many my dad had. We got cousins, uncles.

I found all my fat motherfuckers was fucking. I went looking for all my siblings except Uh, one of them, my baby sister.

How many?

Two sisters. And, um, we can meet my daddy or my—

wait, all together? Well, it ain't that bad from what he told me. Uh, the ones he claimed I got—

you talking about in total?

Yes.

His or just in total?

All in total.

Now, now, when I say brothers, do I— if I, if I got two, do I count me for three?

This is— ladies and gentlemen, you witnessing what it's like to be raised, born and raised in Florida. Cuz I can't count. Go ahead. Florida is like a mini Africa. Hold on, be fucking. They got shit to do. Oh, just be fucking. Can't fuck like that in New York, it's too expensive. Hold on, let me get one more. Hold on, hold on. You can't even— he trying to count like my lips peel. No, no, I'm watching, I'm watching.

Okay, um, From the last time my dad told me, and this was maybe a couple months ago, I know I had— I know I, I got 4, I got 4 sisters, 2 brothers, but I count, so okay. But he say he got more out there.

Now see, and that's why I never dated nobody from Florida because there's a chance I could have fucked my brother and never knew it. My brother.

Well, I will say this.

Has a baby with my first cousin.

Well, I will say this and I'm not going to go too far about my dad because I do love my dad. But I will say this. He a playboy. Because he was at E-Boy City one day and a girl DM'd me. You know, you check the back end of the DM. I wonder, I'm just scrolling down just trying to see, yeah, what's on here? She said, hey, is your dad such and such? And I'm like, I ain't know whether to say yes or no. And I was like, yeah. She said, um, yeah, he was a sweetheart. Um, he ordered drinks and food for me and my friends and everything. And I just wanted to make sure that this was your dad because he said that he was your dad. Oh, and what I did was I said, hell yeah, that's my dad. Yeah, they're right, that's my daddy.

Oh, the fact that he out here like, that's my son. Yeah, my son. Yeah, my daddy be doing that. He'd be calling me on 3-way though with girls he'd be trying to fuck.

But I think he'd be doing it like he kind of flipping the police back.

'Hey, spoken reason daddy.' Yeah, I swear to God, like, yeah, they do. They be using us to get pussy. They— yeah, my daddy, he had me like, 'Hey baby, what you doing?' I was like, 'I'm good.' And the girl was like, 'Oh my God, it's Tasha K!' And I was like, 'Dad, who the fuck you got on the phone?' Like, for real. Okay, so obviously your dad had been watching you and you didn't even know it.

He's my daddy. My father is the one that died. That's the one.

All right. I understand that. However, but your biological father had known and had watched you just like we watched you grow before our eyes on YouTube.

Yeah, he found out eventually.

Okay. All right. Now let's go back to the YouTube part of it. So you quit your job, you're making $300, $700, $800. You quit your job. When did them checks start to get Hey, spoken reason, Daddy.

My dad just say shit. I swear to God, like, yeah, they be using us to get pussy.

Yeah, my daddy did the same shit. He had me.

He's like, hey, baby, what you doing? I was like, I'm good.

And the girl was like, oh, my God, it's Tasha K.

And I was like, daddy, who the fuck you got on the phone? Like, for real? Okay, so obviously your dad had been watching you and you didn't even know credit to. All right, Along the year.

What's the most you made though? Let's go, let's go, big spoke.

Well, I've said this online before, and here's the crazy part.

What's up?

I've said this on another platform. I've only said it one time. It ain't shit. I ain't made nothing. $60,000. What is that?

$60,000?

That's it.

For you, what was that, like 2011, 2013?

It was around that time.

And you were an African American young man making more money than Black.

But I would say before that I was making probably around, on an estimate, between maybe $10,000 to maybe $20,000 a month, something like that, just alone before it actually boomed. And that $60,000 didn't last long.

But here's the thing, you were making more money than Black talent was making in Hollywood.

Yeah. I had a whole team running and everything. I was basically, I was moving around like, like that, like a young boss.

At what age?

What age?

Yeah.

22.

That's a lot of fucking money.

With like a roster, maybe like, I don't know, maybe 9 to maybe 12 people.

22.

That don't include my agent. I got maybe— when I started my agency with UTA, I automatically had 3 agents off rip. I had my manager, Steve Rifkin.

You know, did you have to pay all them?

Do you know, do you know who Steve Rifkin is?

No.

You understand? Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, you'll get to it later.

Okay.

Uh, Russell Simmons, that don't— that, that doesn't include a cameraman. I probably got like 2 or 3 of them. That don't include my assistant. That don't include, you know how I go with lawyers. It may be like, maybe at least about 12 people. Yeah. Yeah.

So you were paying all of them?

Yeah.

You were paying Russell Simmons?

Russell never really made money off me like that. He made money off my head, but he, but he wasn't like on contract with me for comedy. Um, Russell was, was like, this is where we go into the ADD thing.

Okay.

All Def Digital.

Yes.

You've heard of that?

No, I didn't hear about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

See, okay, uh, it was a whole company that got started by, um, by Russell Simmons and Steve Rifkin and also another director named Bryan Robbins. Bryan Robbins started, um, Norbit, Kenan and Kel, all that, the whole '90s Nickelodeon.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, he was a part of all that. He did, he did A Thousand Words. Um, he's been a part of a lot of things. I think he owns DreamWorks or whatever. Yeah, the studio. He was the one that took me into— look, people don't understand how deep this is. He took, he took me into my agency and said, this our boy. Not boy like I was gonna say. Yeah, not like that, but not like that, you know what I mean?

Like, this is, this is, this is—

we co-sign them.

Okay.

Yeah, it's way deeper than what people think. Like, the Spoken Reason thing is way deeper than what people think. Like, so how long I've actually been in it, but not on some crazy shit though. Like, I've never— let's go ahead and get straight to it. I ain't never seen no crazy stuff. I ain't never seen nothing. The most I probably, probably got close to seeing is me walking in the room and I smelled badussy in the doggone room. And me and my homeboy was like, what the fuck is that smell? And then, you know, we ain't see nothing. They just took us in a room and we just had a meeting. We walked out.

So you're saying the Illuminati doesn't—

Hold on, hold on. You said Illuminati now. Here you go. Oh, here it go.

Or these orgy parties. I wasn't gonna get it.

I've never, I've never, I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it.

I was trying to unwind the fake consistency of hard work.

Oh, well, let's go back.

Let's go back. Since we're here now, like, because I mean, I was gonna eventually get to that, like, what was your experience in Hollywood? Because There's so many things that— look, fuck it, put it on the table, Tasha.

Nah, but I ain't never— you know, I know people, that's what people want to hear.

So, but you did say in one of your videos as to why you left Hollywood, and you said it, and one thing that caught my attention was I didn't have to do no fucking coon-ass shit by wearing a dress and emasculating myself and doing no fucking dumb shit like that to get put on. That's what you said.

Yeah, yeah. Never had to do none of it. I came in.

But you had the owner of DreamWorks walk you right into UTA.

But you understand, all right, Steve Ripken, Steve Ripken. And like I said, this is no shades or nothing. Yeah, yeah, I'm still with the white man around here. Yeah, I'm with the white man too. We all are.

Yeah, that's nothing too.

Y'all got I'm not with nobody. Look, brother, I'm 100% independent. No, you ain't.

No, we're not.

Because guess what? While you think you're 100% independent, where you going to upload it at? Where is you going to upload it at? You over here talking about I'm 100% Black power independent up in this joker, and then next thing you know, you put it on Snapchat and them white folks snatch your shit down.

I said you don't own nothing around here.

We don't own boats. We don't own planes. We don't own none of that, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes. Like, come on now, like, what's really going on? If we were really— if you're really 100% independent, focus on your website and don't go to Patreon.

Shots fired.

What?

Shots fired.

Not to you.

It's a lot. Not to me. There's a lot of niggas out here that's on Patreon. I understand. That's still owned by the white man and they've been in the industry for a long time.

But guess what though?

When I saw Noriega talking about, but Joe, how do you start a Patreon? Nigga, what? Upload, bitch. Exactly.

It's easy because it's already there for you. But guess what? Your website is just you.

It's just you.

You pay for your domain, you pay for everything, you pay for the, uh, the designer, the, the person that code your whole entire website, your, your app. That's all you. You own that. They can't do nothing about that. So if you really want to make a big difference for real, there's nothing wrong with using third-party platforms to do what you do. To get whatever you need to maximize whatever your goal is. But never forget, the real power is where your website is at. Yes, GoFundMe and, uh, Patreon and all these— OnlyFans— yeah, they may pay you, they may help you, but at any given moment, y'all already know, and this is 2024, at any given moment it could cut off like— all they gotta do is say, I don't like this person. Hey, Hey, can y'all call up, um, uh, Sarah Such-and-such in the Such-and-such department? Okay, hold on. Hello, this is Sarah. Uh, hey, this is Dave Mackinsfield. Uh, we just want to make sure, um, you know, um, uh, have you heard and been aware of this type of situation? Uh, I've heard a little bit about it. Hey, hit the button. Do it now. That's all it takes. Next thing you know, you're looking up from behind your computer and your phone to my Girl, I just got demonetized today.

The way it was, the way you said it ain't funny because it does happen.

And then, and then they, and then they go calling us. It's like creators thinking that we gonna call, we gonna put some phone calls in. Like, I can barely get shit for myself. I'm only in one movie.

I had to tell a creator one day, she got demonetized. I went through her channel and I said, girl, you got to delete all this shit. You have to. What? I say, you got— if you want to be remonetized, you got to delete all this shit. She did exactly what I told her to do. They remonetized her.

Exactly.

They remonetized her. That's why I'm about to get out here and start teaching this shit because like there's a lot of Black people that really solely depend on this and I'm like, yeah, Patreon shut me down.

Oh, for real? Yes. Oh, so I just, what I just said was real? Oh, so that's why you was sitting there. Hey, I didn't even know that.

Patreon shut me down. Somebody put in, look, that's all it takes. It was not true.

That's all the time.

All the viewers that I had moved to their platform, they were making money off of me, and they said bye-bye.

And this is why I tried—

that was the last time I was on it. They, they released me and asked me to come back to my— oh, we're sorry. But you, you held my money for 30 days. 30 days over a fake complaint. And you wouldn't even have a Patreon if it wasn't for creators busting their fucking ass to bring their audience. Who would be going to Patreon if it wasn't for our audiences? It ain't like they just got content just over there like YouTube.

But, but, but the thing is too, it goes a lot deeper because a lot of folks feel like, like I say, OnlyFans, the Patreon, that's where it ends at.

No, Patreon froze Selena Power one day.

That's what I'm saying. So this is why All right, the only— all right, let's go back to the old days where you had, uh, Media Takeout. Yeah, gossip, NicoleBitchy.com, um, Sandra Rose.

Blogging, blogging.

Remember that? Remember that? You know what I'm saying?

Like, don't think I don't know.

Now, straight from the A's. Come on now, family. I know, I know, the YBF and all that. Come on, come on now. That was blog, blog. But those were that were getting killings from companies that were coming in and saying, hey, you know, they could have came up with their stuff. And what happened was over time was they got shut down because of all the other platforms like the Instagrams or whatever, the Snapchats, the Twitters, the Vine. People started uploading news on those type of things, right? And then once it's on there and people know that it's free, you got so many people doing work for free, slave work, You create a gazillion amount of those folks to the point that, well, you raising like a 9-year-old, a 12-year-old, 15-year-old, 31-year-old, they looking at it and they might grow with you over time. So they look at your platform and say, well, why would I go to nicolebitchy.com when everything's right here when I open my phone? It gets crazy. So now the marketers, those people really eating back then, like when they had a website, they were really eating. And they said, you know what, let's take it away. Let's put it through our people again, and then we're going to use— if y'all don't get y'all cussing and stuff right, we're not gonna pay you. So now they got us really under control, under some like, under some like TV stuff, or what it was back in the day when we first came on the internet. We could cuss how we wanted to. You can if you want to, but you know how it go now. It's more so like, all right, now that we don't strip all that away from y'all Now we got y'all back on our platforms. Now we got y'all and showed y'all that the rules need to be regulated. We will suspend your channel, whatever the case may be. What we gonna do is we're gonna show y'all, hey, it ain't no different from what it was on TV. Now y'all can't say nothing outside of ass, hell, and damn. Anything outside of that, then you got to be like, I don't know if I should say that on this because I might get demonetized. Like, it's really crazy.

I'm telling you, I literally— they get mad at me on YouTube. They're like, you give us the watered-down shit. Them crackers said, oh Lord, I can't cuss.

Go ahead.

I can cuss on other, on websites. Yeah, talkshakelive.com, I cuss it the fuck down. Yeah, just like they coming into a real comedy show, like open raw show, like, yeah, yeah. But they have to understand, like, I'm not going— I'm not one of those niggas or Negroes that's got something to prove, you know what I'm saying? Like I got a whole family and, and people that depend on me that, that, that lives off of this. Yeah. So just because I'm trying to prove a point, fuck these, I don't need them. I'ma cuss, demonetize it, and before you know it, how many times—

inflation going on and everything, like, you know what I'm saying? We got job— look, you need internet these days. Anybody say, bro, if you ain't got your own, if you ain't making— you know how like Joe, um, what's the dude name who got kicked off of, um It ain't Joe Rogan, it's another, uh, Alex Jones.

But he had his website, so he really wasn't gone. His fans just was like, oh, we're going to the website.

If y'all wanna— if y'all look, I'm gonna give y'all one tip. I'm gonna give y'all multiple tips, but it's gonna be one of the main ones. If y'all want to win off of social media, create your own website and figure out how to get Google AdSense on your website. That's one of them. I ain't gonna say too much.

They gotta pay you for it.

Yeah, they should. That's it. And that's normal. That was happening years ago.

They should. So they should pay you for it.

And they got other stuff out there too, like info links and stuff like that too, as well.

So let me ask you something. When you— because you were doing really well on YouTube, inspiring us all, making us all laugh. You had the creator beefs. I've had the creator beefs, whatever. Then you enter Hollywood. And it's sort of like you kind of walked away from your channel straight into Hollywood. That's not what happened?

That's what happened because that's what you saw. That's what happened. It happened. That was more so like a, um, when I first got into mainstream Hollywood, it wasn't like Like, I wanted to be in a movie, but I didn't hope and pray, but like, I want to be the biggest star. And I never thought about that. I just wanted to be in a movie. So when I did the movie with Sandra Bullock and I came back—

what was the name of that movie again?

The Heat. The Heat with Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy.

Okay.

Marlon Wayans in it too.

Okay.

Um, when I did the movie with her, I went back home and my manager said, you need to move to LA. I was going to get a house built here in Fort Lauderdale. Yeah. Oh, I was just like getting it all set up and everything, and I, I had a meeting the next day, and it was between getting my house built here and going to LA.

You still should have did it.

No, but I know, I know, I know. You right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I think about it, it's for real. But also, I was like, you know what, cuz I don't like attention. A lot of folks, they looking at me like, man, this nigga lying. How you out here and you doing entertainment and you don't like attention? I really don't like attention. I like the thank yous or whatever the case may be, but that's pretty much it. But, you know, I just went from there and, you know, that's— this wine hitting. I wasn't gonna talk stupid. I wasn't gonna catch myself up like this. Nah, I wasn't gonna do that. Nah, what is it, peanut?

What is that?

No, I wasn't gonna— I wasn't gonna go no further. I felt that, you know how you feel it coming when you— when it hits you? Nah, bro, you ain't gonna catch me. No, I already know. I'm—

look, you know what's so funny? My husband used to laugh at me before it go too far. No, it's for real. I swear to God, just recently. My husband hates wine. He's like, you always ordering this stuff. He drank two glasses. His ass is like, oh shit.

Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I said, that white lady wine got you fucked up.

You said— what you saying now?

You was building a house. That's the last part. But you did build a house. I wasn't gonna talk stupid.

I wasn't gonna catch myself up like this.

No, I wasn't gonna do that. Nah. What is it, peanut? What is that? No, I wasn't. I wasn't gonna go no further.

I felt, I felt that. You know how you feel it coming when you. When it hit you? Nah, bro, you ain't gonna catch me. No, I already know. I'm. I'm. Look, you know what's so funny?

My husband used to laugh at me when I catch before it go too far. Got tired of the fame?

I went home and I started realizing everybody was getting old. My grandma getting older, my mama getting older, you know what I'm saying? I'm missing out on shit like that. I know other people, they like, man, fuck my goddamn family, I don't care about that, I'm gonna go to Hollywood. This shit ain't real. Like, so when I got there, I'm like, bro, I'm already like a Florida boy. When you're a Florida boy, when you from Florida or you from the South and you go to the West Coast The only people I hang out with, hang out with over there for real that's on the West Coast are people that's from the West Coast that's really from there. I don't hang out with people that's out there trying to chase the dream. It might be maybe one, maybe two, but the rest of them, they're locals. So I don't really get into all that. I, I went there because I was on a mission to try to see what was there for me, and then all of a sudden, you know, I'm like, you know what, let me go ahead and catch my peace. I got tired of going to like 5 different meetings, 5 different auditions in a week, and you sitting there, you got to sabotage your YouTube channel in order to chase somebody else's dream. I'm already doing my thing over here, so why would I— you know, okay, I'm living a life that nobody ever seen before. Right now, the only thing people know is what they see. If they don't see a movie, uh, he out there wasting time or whatever the case may be. No, I had to go on like Me and my partner too, we had to go on like maybe 4 meetings a day for like 4 or 5 days a week. And then I probably get like maybe 3 to maybe 5 auditions within a week. And I had to— sometimes you'll get them the night before. So while you already planning your videos, trying to get it going, you got this Hollywood script sitting here waiting. Now you gotta pick and choose. Now you don't already drop about $5,000, $10,000 on a production for yourself. Now you gotta pick and choose which one is more important. Now you got your agent and everybody else getting mad at you because they're like, you know what, dang, why you ain't doing this? I'm like, bro, I'm trying to do this. So now you got other agent— an agent looked me in my eye and said, do you want to do YouTube forever? And I said, nigga, yes. He looked at me like I was crazy. He stopped representing me right after that.

He stopped?

Yeah, but I still had other agents though. I got one main one. I didn't fire the agents. That I have. I'm still with them, I'm still tapped in. Yeah, I'm gonna always be tapped in, if that makes sense.

No, I understand what you're saying.

They can't— they won't let me go because you ain't really just—

you ain't really got started yet.

Look, when you look at Tyler Perry, Tyler Perry couldn't be a millionaire by himself for that long. You can't be a millionaire that long by yourself. Somebody gonna come in and knock on your door. I didn't go knocking on Hollywood's door, they came knocking on mine. They I didn't ask for none of that. I'm just a nigga in Florida just chilling. I want to take care of his family and just have fun. Then it became business. Then everything started looking different. That's when all the Dr. Reasons and everything started coming around. Dr. Reasons is the only thing I've never edited.

Why?

Why? It ain't— it wasn't mine. It don't belong to me. They belong to ADD. All Def Digital. Oh, they could literally create— back then they created a whole YouTube channel, like a lot of moguls, like for real, Jay-Z, like remember those old YouTube networks? Yeah, YouTube gave out a lot of money to a lot of moguls back then, and they all were trying to build up their stuff, like Vice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so this is why you were seeing creators back in the day Maybe like 5 years ago, 7 years ago, whenever you see people like maybe like an A-list actor or something like that, they'll say, hey, DC Young Fly, we need you, you know, or Jess Hilarious, we need you. Come over here, let's put our arms around you so we can blow our stuff up. We might give you a couple little skits, give you a little couple hundred dollars, and we're going about your way. And that's why you see what you see. A lot of them didn't make it though. It's only a few that's still around.

Like who? Who didn't make it? Let's just start. Let's just— who didn't make it? You giving me shit I didn't even know.

I know a lot of shit. You know all them Forbes?

Yeah.

Okay, you know that?

Yeah, before you talk about the, the—

you know I had two, two record deals?

No. Who you had a record deal with?

Universal.

Really?

Yeah. My biggest album is called Understanding My Flowers. That's the only— my biggest album is the one that really pays me the most, and I've never had any video or any visuals or nothing behind it. I just made it just off the scratch.

And you still getting paid from it to this day?

My music still does what it does. That's what people sleep on too. I do everything. It ain't just comedy. Like, it'd be some months where certain lanes pay me more than certain lanes. You know, I got a successful, uh, YouTube channel, uh, uh, a podcast channel. No, it's big on Facebook called Unspoken Truth.

I did not know that.

Yeah, that's my biggest thing what I'm doing right now.

Really? I'm gonna go on over there and follow.

It's on Facebook now. On YouTube it's still going, but on Facebook it's been there. It's crack over there.

How often do you upload?

Every day. Sometimes I might, you know, no, no, type in Spoken Reason.

Spoken Reasons. Okay, gotcha. I didn't even know.

See, I'm not really— I, I don't, I don't like to be loud about how I make my money.

And I'm following you.

You follow me?

Yes.

Oh, okay. And I'm not getting it. Yeah, well, people get it. I'm more viral on Facebook right now than I am on any other platform. So when people say, where he at? I'm somewhere, you just don't, you know.

So do these creators work under you?

No, fair use.

How you do that?

Reactional videos, fair use. You have a right to fair use.

Okay, no, I didn't think that was you right there.

Yeah, that's me.

Oh, oh, that's why I was like, who the hell is this nigga? You look like a Rastafarian.

That's me. What?

Hey, you know what I noticed too? Because when you had grew them dreads, and when you started out, you started out like this, very clean cut, you know what I'm saying? Then you grew them dreads. I got mad when you grew them fucking dreads. And then now you come back in like the spoken reasons we fucking knew, okay? Faith, consistency, hard work.

But I started my dreads before I— before all this stuff, so, you know, y'all, y'all caught me in the prime age of my, my haircut, though. It's all good.

This shit's as funny as fuck. Damn, you got content. That Facebook check hit harder than YouTube. It do.

People don't know— I will say this too, people don't know how to wash their mouth on Facebook. You got to watch your mouth.

Like, like some platform people, they, uh, you have to edit every cuss word out. They don't play.

But it's, it's way deeper than just the cuss words. You got to really read all the rules on Facebook. If you don't, then you gone. You out of there.

Thank you.

Yeah, man, Facebook don't play, bro.

I know they don't.

YouTube is a public library. Facebook is the family reunion slash cookout. Twitter is the cafeteria in the lunchroom.

I ain't never seen nobody put it like that. That's funny as fuck. What's Instagram?

Instagram is the yearbook.

It's the yearbook. So before this wine get you tore the fuck up, what happened with Russell Simmons? That nigga living in Bali somewhere right now.

He a grown man. I don't know. I ain't— I don't know nothing about cuz.

No, I'm saying what happened between y'all work relationship?

Oh, it's just things just split apart. One thing I know about life is all good and bad things must come to an end.

Did you like working with him?

It was cool. I mean, I ain't really worked with him like that. He was just— I look— when you look up All Def Digital This ain't nothing like PeeWee. Okay, the shit— the channel started off the, the back of me. Like, literally all my fans started All Def Digital, and then all the other creators— and can't they—

did he pay you for that though?

Of course. Okay, yeah, I got paid for it. Okay, nobody—

no residuals or anything?

Nobody get paid? No, nobody get paid what they worth though. Most people don't get paid what they work. You might feel like you want $80,000, you might get $62,000. And sometimes you gotta play the negotiation game and figure out what you want.

But they were definitely playing white creators more, not 80D.

Yeah, yeah, well, YouTube at the time, yes. But, but, but when during the time when 80D was around, when the creators were getting all effed over, even me— this is why I'll be getting mad about, you know, a lot of situations when it comes to like how people perceive creators, and it really ain't like that. A lot of them are really out here really trying to get it in, and they doing it trying to die for y'all. And I tell niggas quick, I ain't trying to die for none of y'all niggas.

What's the tech guy named? Marcus Brownlee. He just made a video, a reaction video, to a lot of creators that had been on YouTube for years that were leaving YouTube because of the burnout.

Wait, say it again.

Marcus Brownlee, who does all the reviews on the phones, the white— the Black guy, you got them big hands. He's like, okay guys, so this new phone— you never heard of Marcus Brownlee? There's a huge following in the tech industry, right? Only Black guy. Um, and he pisses me off too because I, you know, he only puts on white people when it comes to like his shows and stuff. And I'm like, you Black, put us on, you know what I'm saying? And so, um, he ended up doing a review of other YouTubers saying that they were quitting YouTube because they were burnt out, you know. They, they enjoyed it, but it was just too hard to keep up with the algorithm and trying to stay relevant and coming up with new creative ideas and stuff like that. And so he was just like, you know, YouTube, you know, it, it's essentially a stepping stone, you know.

It all is.

It all is.

Look, man, I'm gonna go down deeper than this.

Please.

If you really want— look, when you on social media, I don't give a doggone what platform you on, you ain't got no retirement plan for this whole thing. The only retirement is, is that you hope that you get enough money to leave enough, leave around for your kids and your family and everything else. And then you hope that— hope— and everybody got different programs, so don't think about me or her or Think about all of us. Some people, they die, they ain't got nothing. Their family try to break into their account and try to repost their videos and everything. And unfortunately, depending on what type of content you had, if it's not timeless or whatever the case may be, or if you wasn't really like out here, it's going to die eventually. Don't nobody really got real true retirement plans when it come to online. So the best thing you could do is create your own because when you create your own, that is your intellectual property. That is your intellectual property. It's almost like that's no different from owning a house. It's no different. Like, like, but they can still come take your house though. Just like, say for example, yeah, they can take that shit too. Like, you don't pay your domain, they're gonna take that, they're gonna take it, right? But it's the same thing. But you know, you got to pay regardless. But what I'm saying is though, at the end of the day, man, people got to realize like you can't escape having your own regardless in the realm of trying to do social media. You got to have your own somewhere. Just like you said, it's a stepping stone. But how do I get to leave something around so my family can eat for the rest of my life? Some people got investments, some people got, uh, properties, some people have videos and movies waiting and ready to go. If you look at Tyler Perry, whole body of work— Tyler Perry was the only person, one of the few people, I'm not going to say the only person, that when he came out, he not only shot the play. He put a price on it and he sold it to everybody, and now he got a catalog. Now you got a Black man running around here with a catalog, and white people like, dang, he making millions off that joker, bro. We gotta, we gotta snatch him up. We gotta put him on Lionsgate. Why you think every time Tyler Perry, when he do movies, he don't go past Lionsgate? Lionsgate is like the Black— it's like the Black-owned— it ain't Black-owned, but that's like the studio that they send the Black people. Yeah, when they do social media, I mean, when they do them and Deadmau5, Mercury, when they do film, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, all that went through Lionsgate, and there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, I'm just saying, people be thinking all this stuff and it's really deeper. Like, I got a lot to bring to the table and really say to folks, but it's like when I hear people talking and I read these comments and people saying such and such about residual checks and how Hollywood ain't paying and this, that, and third, I'm like, half y'all don't even know what y'all talking about. Because these people, they get up on here and they show their checks, but they only show the 49-cent checks. They showed a $300 check. Tell them to show their biggest check they made that year, and then let's see how— So you think it's everything ain't Hollywood fault, bro?

Everything is about money management.

It's money management as well. When you're an actor, it's very hard. And if I sound cottonmouth, y'all, my bad. But when you're— when you're an actor in Hollywood, that is probably one of the most hardest jobs ever. Because I can't imagine being an actor full-time and say, this is my life, and you living from couch I think being an actor is way worse than maybe being a musician.

It's the worst job in the world.

I think so, because, because I'm serious, man. Like, while you see somebody on TV and y'all been hearing about it over the years, actors say, man, I was living out my one-bedroom apartment during that time when y'all was, uh, you know, bragging about me or whatever, uplifting me, whatever. But that is not— when you see folks in a position where they at, they either struck gold real fast Or they stood around the paint for real and they deserve that joker for real. Uh, that is not something where I felt like I was like, I know I can do it, but I'm like, bro, I'm not going to sit here and waste my time and die for this shit. Cause then I'm, then my son gonna miss out on me. So what am I going to do? So now I bought, now all of a sudden I'm supposed to be weird because I'm home living my life. I'm, I'm stable to my, to where I want to be. And I'm just taking care of my family and going fishing.

I know I had a 3-hour, almost a 3-hour conversation with Taryn Manning, and you know, you would think that her life is set. She would be like, I will be filming Orange is the New Black, I will have an apartment, we will be done filming. They don't tell you if you're coming back, the checks stop, they don't tell you when you coming back, so I can't take any other projects.

Yeah.

And it's like they play with your time like that. And she says, well, you know, she went in on Taraji real bad. She was just like, you know, we're gonna be dropping that here soon. And she was just like, Taraji got paid, probably got paid more than me on Hustle and Flow because I still ain't got paid.

Yeah, uh, you know, like, and Terrence Howard came out and said that he made $12,000 for Hustle and Flow.

She said he was lying. Terrence Manning said that. Now hold on, she said that nigga, but she said he lied.

Hold on, I don't care about that. But, but what I said from my end, I've never had a starting role like that before. Not a starring role like that. I've never had one like that. So I'm like, you know what, okay, he said he made $12 up front. I made $30 off the Heat, and I made way more than that.

That's what she said.

Hold on, but hold on now.

That does not—

but that does not mean that she's right as well. Now here's the Here's the part what I'm gonna say. You don't get to dictate like what them folks do on the back end. Like them folks, it's a whole nother thing. Like if they want to make up their numbers, they make up their numbers. Ain't nothing you're gonna do about it. And then you have the fans say, well, you signed the contract for this, that, and the third, bro. What are you going to tell somebody who living out of a bus for the past 3 years when they got a— they finally got a role where it could take them somewhere, but at the same time they know they're being effed over money-wise? Guys, they're gonna take it anyway just to try to— because one thing we know, that niggas love clout. So you're gonna take my clout first, and the clout from y'all responses off of social media is gonna put money in my pocket. For real, that's what's gonna do it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy.

But I kind of got upset because I was just like, all this, this money— like, when I see Taraji, she obviously lives a very, very different lifestyle. So when she sits in front of common folk and says that, I'm tired, you have got— even though we may not have thought that life was glamorous, but I mean, not— you may not have thought, she may not have thought that life was glamorous, but the way she shows up on social media, she's got PR, she's got makeup, she looks great all the time. So we're like, life is good. Yeah, but behind the scenes it's like—

and imagine how hard it is for a woman Who I think is a catch-22, because for a woman it's hard for her because, you know, she got so many different things she gotta take care of, take care of as far as maintenance— her hair, her nails, yeah, makeup, clothes, make sure every— like, it's on. Just being that in Hollywood, that's hard. Hell, just in, just in general. Then you think about the guys, you know, why you got women that can do that, they could probably stay at a, at a man house or whatever and go do a thing. Trying to make it in Hollywood now. Hold on, that's, that's what I'm saying.

Yes.

Meanwhile, you got a guy, he ain't got to do all that, just make sure he got the script down. But it's a lot of other lions that he dealing with, and then it's like he can't stay at everybody's house. That nigga on— he living on, you know, whatever that— he living on Skid Row somewhere. This is why when you look at the whole Hollywood thing, more women Or a lot of, a lot of Black actresses, when they're in Hollywood, when they start to hit their 30s and their 40s, they tend to move on to athletes, or they tend to move on to somebody like a producer or somebody who got real money.

Getting that $32,000 child support check.

Well, they do it because it's really, really hard. They already competing against each other in Hollywood anyway. So if I'm already who I am, and I'm walking outside and somebody at Walmart say, hey Nia, hey Nia, you know you don't belong in Walmart. You need to go somewhere. Now I'm not, I'm not disparaging it. Let's take it to Target. I'm just saying. Okay, so she, she's going to put herself— you've been, you've been on TV your entire life. You're not going to put yourself in position to date somebody who worked for Home Depot. Like I'm not saying that's not the lick, but at the same time, that's typically the story for Black women. And for Black men, they just, either they get out here and they get it, get married, or they gonna just be single.

Or they go bag groceries. I mean, Tyler Perry got one of them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually the women are more taken care of in Hollywood, as far as Black women, than Black men. I would say that Black men, they get out here and God knows what happened to them. They might get drug charges and all types of things going on.

Yeah, because I mean, we are seeing, especially recently in the last few years, a lot of our top Black talent dying of overdoses.

Yeah.

And damn near almost the whole, uh, uh, what is that damn show? It's a white show. Jasmine, what is that show? The one where they talk— the kids are doing drugs and shit like that.

And I don't want to show you—

what is it? Euphoria. Damn near the whole cast done died of a fucking real like ODs. It's a show about kids doing drugs, selling drugs, and then the actual talent is dying outside of filming. So they having to extend the filming to replace these roles because they getting high. Because, you know, one, COVID hit. Two, they not working like that. Three, they don't know— it's a lot of stuff.

COVID didn't bother me at all. No, I love COVID.

It didn't bother me at all either.

I stayed home. I was with my son. I was with my son for like 3, 4 years. I was good. I wouldn't trip them.

A lot of people was though. There was a lot of people that were.

Yeah, yeah.

I had a baby during COVID so I got to spend time with my son.

Okay.

Yes, so that was, that was amazing. I had a quarantine baby. Yeah, he was outside. He couldn't go past the yard, didn't want him around nobody because I didn't know they had that damn counter clock. And I was like, I'm not going to be the next body on that. And I was like, where they putting these millions bodies at? Yeah, I'm like, I didn't see no mass graveyards. I didn't see no burnouts, you know, where I pass no factories and shit was burning up. I was like, where they put these bodies at? I need to know, y'all.

This Tasha K, right? Tasha K, y'all.

I just— I need answers. The millions of bodies— they remember the counter they had? It was on every fucking website. It was on every news show. And as the reporters were talking, the numbers just kept going. Another one died, another one died.

I hear you.

You remember that shit? What the fuck happened?

I don't know.

And I was trying to find somebody, if I knew anybody that died from COVID Nobody. I don't know anybody.

Nobody?

No.

You know, I kind of kept it to myself. I lost my photographer over COVID.

You did? But did his family bury him and have a funeral?

So what—

so everybody was just having funerals during quarantine when we weren't allowed to go outside because they said—

that picture that I told you about of that album that I told you about, Understanding My Flaws, my picture is on that, and he took that picture. Okay. And he's actually in one of my videos, and it was a funeral skit, which was so fucked up.

Oh damn.

Yeah, I know. We did a fake funeral skit and he was in the casket. He died by whole year later. Now I can't watch the skit no more. Don't bust out laughing. Hey, don't do that. Hey, don't do that. Don't do that.

That's some Machiavelli shit. That's some Tupac Machiavelli shit. That's why motherfuckers gotta be careful what they say and what they put out here. It is a contract. With the universe. That's why I don't COVID death and shit on my channel. I don't COVID death, I don't cover, uh, you know, kids or disabled people and stuff. I leave that shit alone. I don't want no parts of that. I want to enjoy life while I'm here. I don't want to talk about the other side until I'm on the other side. Then I'll talk about it when I'm there amongst other people that are there with me, you understand?

I don't talk—

how was your time? It was good.

I don't talk about sex, religion, war, and politics, and I barely talk about education.

Why?

Those things I do not get into.

Why?

Because it's a never-ending—

You need more wine?

It's a never-ending battle.

Yeah, you'll never—

When you talk to somebody about that, you're never gonna end up, um, hearing the end of it. Like, if it's about religion and I talk about how my God is this and your God is that. Yeah, I'm always arguing with somebody because it ain't no right or wrong to it, and it might be a right or wrong to it, but you're never going to be able to win in those categories.

You've been doing this 20 years.

20 years?

Hold on. So you started 2008. 2008.

What is it, 2018?

Oh, so 13 years. 13.

13 years. Hold on now. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

You know how many years you been doing? Goddamn it, how many years you been doing this shit?

We over here looking crazy. Let me go.

You know why I got 20 years from? Because I had my—

All right, it's 2024.

Okay.

2008 is when I started.

Yes.

2018 is 10 years.

Yes. And then plus 6.

19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. That's plus 16 years.

16 years. Okay, cool.

Hey, hey, you know how we look.

I was just rounding it up. But I got the 20 years 'cause I had my husband calculate how long I was in the restaurant industry before I moved into media. So he was like, "Yeah, 20 years." I was like, "Oh, so the dog was like, 'Yeah, so you've been doing this 20 years?'" That was right before our interview started. So I can add and I can read. Anyway.

I was an honor roll in school for a little bit.

For a little bit?

Yeah, for a little bit.

Like one semester?

Uh, no, no, no, I was in that joke all throughout elementary school until my dad passed away, and then I felt like I just wanted to do everything on my own and kind of just be a badass, something like that. Be disobedient. I'll say that.

You know what I gotta give you? I ain't seen no women come out here and try to like shit on you. You know how they be like with every fucking celebrity?

Did you go looking? Be honest.

No, because it normally comes to me. I didn't look.

You ain't look?

No. Why? Your baby mama out here?

The mother of my child.

The mother of your child?

Yeah.

I forgot, he's a poet.

No, no, no, the mother of my child. No, dead serious though. The mother of my child.

Okay. I mean, she put you out on blast or something? She what? She put you out on blast or something?

No.

I ain't seen you blasted, but what I'm saying is like, I haven't seen any women like I got good shit, you know.

I got good discernment.

What do you look for in women? How do you know what to—

what I look for? Yeah, like, I look for what I like.

What do you like?

I like what I like.

What do you like?

Hey, no, but dead serious though. When people— everybody different, so People like what they like, right? I will say this. Oh Lord, here you go.

Go.

Now you know how you hear Black men say, oh, I need my woman to have real hair, this, that, and the third?

Yeah.

I never seen my mama or my grandma without, uh, without their real hair. I grew up that way. Okay, so pretty much every woman I get with Got their natural hair. Yeah, and I don't have no problem with weave at all. Just don't wear it all the time.

Roleplay. Listen, I'm serious.

And what I'm saying is what everybody— my husband would lose his shit with me having a weave if I had a weave. Oh, for real?

No, because he met me bald head.

You know what, I agree with that too. I've said that to people before. I've said that, you know, however I met you, that's how I want you to stay.

Who are y'all to be determining how the fuck we should stay? Look, well, I guess because I was just like, we got them dreads.

I said, who are y'all to determine how we— which we we talking about? Because I'm gonna get word on this. We not gonna do this today, Tasha.

Y'all don't own that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You putting us— you putting us trying to blend in with the rest of No, this is you and him. Hey, we gotta— hey, we gotta come up with word— word cutting in 2024. One thing about me, I don't say bitch. I say bitches, women, hoes, sluts, and, and that's pretty much it.

Okay.

And it pretty much— it's only women and the rest of them— women, dusties, thots. That's pretty much it.

Okay, and bitches. You said bitches already.

And the reason why I'm saying is because the reason why we've been arguing for the past 5, 6 years online on podcasts is because a lot of these folks, they have great points of views, but they don't know how to use their words to get what they want across.

Everybody's not a poet, like spoken reasons though.

I don't care, but I'm giving y'all the gems, like Like, when I get up there, I don't say, women, y'all gotta chill the fuck out. Women gotta figure it out. Now, that don't mean that you're not gonna be a bitch at one moment and a woman in a second moment. You know, you're human. You go through your little, you know, your righteousness and your, and your, you know, your satanic energy at times.

You calling us demons?

Everybody go through. I'm a demon as well sometimes.

I can be very demonic. Go ahead.

We all got demons. Ain't nobody perfect around here.

Yeah, fuck with my bread, I become a demon.

But yeah, y'all gotta decipher it, bro. You can't be calling girls women, you can't call women girls, you can't call bitches women, you can't call women bitches. Like, and then when you say that, it automatically, you know, it takes away all the other energy of people that's gonna come and say 'Well, not all women.' 'Well, not all men.' 'Well, not all this.' You already classified yourself.

Okay.

I don't never had that problem on my platform.

I know you don't.

I don't ever, because I'm really—

No, but I'm talking about women exposing you, like saying, 'Oh, Spoken did this.' For as long as you've been in the industry, I haven't heard your name get thrown in any of that.

Because I don't mess with nobody. Because I don't mess with nobody who in the game. Okay, not one of them can come out and say I mess with them.

Why? You don't like celebrity women?

They all look alike. Not all.

How?

You get what I'm saying?

I was trying to put your ass on the spot.

You ain't even get me a bit.

Listen, okay, so I, I, I was joking a little bit.

All of them don't don't look alike, but for real, for real, I ain't got time for that shit.

Most of them do.

Why would I want to work with my potential coworker?

That's true. And then your coworker gonna be spilling your business on her platform. Yeah, it always happens like that. Them YouTube couple relationships, we done seen them all just go downhill. Now I can sit here forever and talk to you because there's just like a wealth of knowledge, and hopefully you'll come back. Because I know you know, you know how to guide a lot of the youth that's coming up, you know. Like, let's, let's just take Tommy Sotomayor, for example. That motherfucker's had like 10 platforms. I know he's, he's been taken down every which way, but you, your original platform is still there. Not a lot of people can say that shit.

Yeah, mine was still around when people getting their stuff snatched away, even way back then before everybody came along.

And they said that yours should have been snatched.

But I was— but when my platform came in, it was more— it had rules against it, but for some reason they let me cook.

Do you think it was because of your connections?

I think it was because of the money. Yeah, the money and all that. I was bringing a lot of money.

Okay.

They're like, oh yeah, this is too much money.

I mean, you were very likable too. I mean, you're very charismatic.

I look like the American Negro. I mean, obviously made it okay for white people to laugh at Black people. Um, they feel more comfortable when they see people like me. And so I guess it is kind of to answer your question a little bit, you know, but they'll— I don't think it matters about if they look like me. I think it matters more so like um, just in general, who, who allows that to happen? Like that whole dress shit, I don't believe in that dress shit like that. I think most of these niggas do that shit because they just want to.

Marlon Wayans says art.

That nigga full of shit. Now hold on, it is art technically. Yes, yes, technically, but Bro, you'll never hear somebody trying to shit on they win. So when you winning and something that went down in box office numbers and made historic numbers and stuff, and you don't did your thing, it's going to be hard to find somebody who actually had those accomplishments to try to diminish what they've already done.

And I said that he's the wrong person to have this conversation.

Exactly.

Because he did what he had to do for his career.

His entire family did it.

Yes, they all played women and all of that. So, yeah, but I think it's more so when I said this last night, I said it's more so about representation. Well, you know that there have been direct shots and direct organized campaigns to emasculate Black men, to institutionalize Black men, to put Black men in predicaments to where when our kids are looking at Black men, we see them in this way. And it's going on now. Every Black woman feels that every Black man is gay.

Whoa, I can believe that.

That is insane to me.

I can believe that shit. I can definitely believe that shit because, you know, like you said, there's so many people out here, so many Black men out here that play so many roles, the prominent roles that you see, like Tyler Perry's of the world. And people said at the time, or let's just say Jamie Foxx, um, Wanda, or Martin Lawrence, um, uh, Shanaynay, or you see J— you see Will Smith that played that, that, that woman character in Wild Wild West.

Yeah, he played the gay character as well too.

Yeah, I was saying, especially when Tyler Perry came around, Tyler Perry came around, I was like, you know what, that's the only thing where it kind of woke up. I think that's when it really woke up Black folks, where it was some people like, you know what, this jump funny, but why do he got to be the person that do it? Look here, man, he's— I don't judge nobody. Look, I ain't gonna lie, I judge motherfuckers. Hey, I ain't gonna lie, I judge them. But I also know how to— just because I don't find something funny, that don't mean it ain't funny, right? I just don't really get into all that, bro. Oh, you know, but you got to say it for what it is.

Everybody was trying to bang— oh, is he gay? Is he not gay? He's the biggest Beyoncé fan in the world. Come on, who? Tyler Perry. Niggas don't like Beyoncé unless they think she's beautiful. But you ain't singing no Beyoncé songs. It is, it's, it's sashay.

Shit, I got Beyoncé's first album, uh, when she had the bees around the stomach and shit.

That's because you wanted— you were sexually—

I bought it.

But think about it, Beyoncé was very—

the number one song I like, I like on that album would be Like My Daddy. Something like that.

Okay, but you ain't, uh, if you like it, you ain't doing that. Come on.

I didn't.

But you like Beyoncé, you think she's attractive.

I didn't say that.

So you don't think Beyoncé is attractive?

I didn't say that. I'm not— but you're not gonna get me cased up with Jay-Z.

It's the Beehive you got to worry about.

I didn't say it.

Listen, when are you going— are you going to enter? Because I know you were doing comedy, you were doing comedy tours and stuff like that. You've done tons of tours and it seems like you just kind of stopped and now you're just kind of back at home raising your baby, you know, doing, you know, doing your podcast and stuff like that. Are you gonna get back on the road and do more comedy shows?

Yeah, I got, um, like maybe 3 to 5 shows I'm doing at the end of the year.

Okay, here in Florida?

I'm gonna do one in Tampa, one in Arkansas, one in Chicago, and the other two I don't really know yet, somewhere on the Carolina area. Okay, but so you're putting your tour together and then I'm gonna go on tour next year. Okay, so I'm doing 4 or 5 good ones, 3 to 5 good ones. Okay, I'm gonna put it out and then I'm gonna go on tour.

That's what I'm talking about, Spoken. Come on now, you just been out here fishing. No, I got being a real Southern nigga, you know what I'm saying? Country ass nigga.

I got, I got way more than that. I got, I got like music and all type of stuff I ain't put out. I got short films I ain't put out. I got stuff like 9 years old in my hard drive.

Yeah, you ever want me to like play a role, I'll do it. As long as it's comedy. I love comedy.

Oh, you want to do comedy?

I love comedy.

I got you.

Yeah. That dramatic shit, I'll be like— even though I play those good, but it's just like, I hate memorizing lines.

Okay, you want to do dark comedy? You know, dark comedy, I love dark.

As long as they know no Tiffany Haddish shit.

You said it, not me.

That was way too dark, way too fucking dark. But listen, spoken— besides the you going on tour, anything else? I mean, you, you're just like a wealth of knowledge, and I'm gonna get you to really, really open up, but I know you do it a lot through your art, through your comedy, through your videos and stuff, you know what I'm saying? And it's rare that you really do interviews. You don't do them like that. So because you was just like, what you gonna hit me with? And I was like, nothing. I just want to— I want to sit with the goat. Yeah, I really want to sit with it.

I got you. Yeah, what's up?

I'm just saying. So that's what we can see coming up. You're gonna be on tour, people gonna be able to purchase your tickets. You're gonna, you're gonna come out more and embrace us and, and step into your 2.0.

It'd be so hard for me to answer questions like these, man, because I've never been a person to tell people my moves.

Never.

Like, you're not supposed to because they automatically say so, so negative energy to your—

and then you be doubting shit. You'd be like, why am I doubting?

My lip crusty?

No.

Okay, I would tell—

I'm looking at— you told me to look at your lips the whole time. All right, cool. Is she looking at his lips? He told me to look at his lips. Go ahead.

I don't like telling people my next moves. I've never done that. So whatever I say, that's dead serious. But I got a lot of stuff. I'm talking to Tubi and all types of stuff.

My man, my man, come on now.

I know a lot of times people, when they be outside—

outside— let's get it though, let's get it though.

Nah, but dead serious though. So, uh, like, I got stuff I'm— I got running. I just don't like telling people stuff. I got you.

I just— I'm a—

yeah, I'm a serious person like that.

Yeah.

So whatever I said, that's dead serious. I'm doing like maybe 3 to 5 cities end of the year.

Yeah.

I want to— I know this interview is timeless, so they gonna be like, man, 2024, that was 9 years ago, bro. Like, your daddy, bitch, old. Yeah, we know it's old, nigga, and we still looking at your ass.

But yeah, we got to do that, you know what I'm saying?

But yeah, that's pretty much it. Take care of my son, take care of my family, that's about it.

Um, you going to have more kids?

I want about 9.

The government will love you.

No.

More babies for them to fuck with.

Look, if I could have 9— if I could have had 9 a long time ago, I would have done it.

Okay, you gonna do it now? So if there's any—

if I don't make— if I don't make it past 72, Okay, I'm done.

All right, Robert— was it Robert De Niro? He just had a baby.

I think James Brown died when he had a newborn. Yeah, I think he did.

He did.

He did.

I know Robert De Niro just welcomed the baby, 80 years old.

You know what, people talking about these old men with these young women and stuff. Look here, man. Look here, man. You get the money, we get the— we get gratification, but it works both ways. You're not gonna hate on me when I'm 80 years old. And because I— you my age and you, you trying to tell me I can't go get me when I know I got the money? It ain't right. That disrespectful.

Okay, now when these young girls bring your ass into the grave— no, that's what they gonna do.

If I was 80, I'd probably go by 39.

Why knows? Thank you. For welcoming spoken reasons, a wealth of knowledge, man. You are a true fucking artist. I don't even like dealing with y'all like that. I know, your artists, they've got— they pissed me the fuck off because I'd be like, I know you being an artist right now, can you just be normal?

What, was I normal?

You somewhat.

I'm normal.

You, you went in and out your art and you came and you was like, oh shit, then I— he spent some game, then he went right You are, and then you came and then you spit some— I'm telling you, I'll be doing the same shit too.

It's all her fault. Appreciate y'all, appreciate y'all, appreciate y'all.

Let everybody know where they can follow Big Spoke, Spoken Reasons.

Hey, Spoken Reasons on all platforms. Whatever you type in, that's Spoken Reasons. If you see a verified check, whatever the case may be, it's me. Uh, even if it's a fake page, follow them too. You, you'll know how to get to me. Yeah, man, you know, people, people, you know, people don't, they don't listen. I know they don't listen.

Thank you. I'm honored. Thank you. I hope you'll come back.

All right, I got you.

I'm serious.

Next time I come back, I'm gonna spit a poem.

Can you spit one now?

I tried to save it. I'm gonna save it for you. Let me come back. I got you.

All right, here he go. All right, thank you so, so much. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.