S*x Worker Sparks Fed Case Against Pimps - Pimpin' Ken, Grand Master Virgil, & Magic Juan Named!

Well, listen, Sierra, welcome to the wine cellar.

Thank you for having me.

Okay, I wish we were here under better terms, but according to you, um, you're here to expose a major trafficking ring that you were a part of.

That's right.

Okay, that's right. And so the people who— and I have to say allegedly because I wasn't there, but I mean, they are pretty boisterous about what they do. They do claim that they are pimps. Uh, Don Magic Juan, Grandmaster Virgil, as well as, um, uh, there's one more. Hold on, I got it on the tip of my tongue. Pippin Ken. Okay, it's a lot of names going on. And so you allege that you were, uh, trafficked from 2023 all the way up into 2024. That's right, with these men. So even though they are doing interviews, like self-snitching, I guess, on past, um, they're still currently pimping.

I would say so, yes. They never stopped. And so that's the thing, their whole claim to fame is that, oh well, this is what we did, but this is what, you know, we don't do that anymore. Uh, we want the youth to follow after, you know, our footsteps steps and go a different direction. You know, this is the facade that they've created, um, you know, for whatever reason or purposes that may be, you know.

Wow. So, um, you know, I've never— you know, there's not a lot of women that typically come forward on, you know, powerful men like this, and, you know, uh, who run very organized sex trafficking rings. And like I said, they do plenty of interviews. They've been on No Jumper, they've been on Off the Porch.

They—

I mean, they're everywhere doing interviews, like how these rappers are sitting on Vlad and talking about all the bodies that they got and all the drugs and shit that they done sold, and feds are just taking footage and building easy cases. And so you're here to expose them, I take it?

Right. Okay. And the thing about it is, uh, Miss Tasha, is that the situation, um, as I told you before, is already, um, under investigation. Oh. Um, you know, currently awaiting, uh, true bill or no bill with the, um, grand jury.

Oh, so this is being heard right now? An investigation out of California is being heard right now on these 3 men?

The investigation is specifically on Grandmaster Virgil. Okay. Now, are there others who were implicated As well, yes. And that goes beyond, uh, the Grand Master. So a guy out of St. Louis, a guy out of Chicago, and then Pimp 'N' Ken, uh, Bishop Don Juan— these are people that he called on the phone while we were together. So the investigation itself is specifically for Grandmaster Virgil.

Okay. And so are you a key witness in this?

Yes.

Okay.

I'm the only witness.

So you brought a case against him? You went to the police?

Yes. Well, let's start from the same day that it happened. Yes.

So let's, let's, let's start from the beginning.

Yeah, let me have a sip of wine.

Welcome, welcome to the wine cellars here. Shit. See, I'm like, hold on now, we, we at the grand jury, the indictment is coming down. So, um, let's start from the beginning. Like, have you worked in, I guess, as a sex worker before? Was this—

yes.

Okay.

All right.

So, because I don't know a lot about you, so I'll let you know. Okay.

Um, this started when I was 16, not with the Grandmaster, but it started when I was 16, when you started working in as a sex worker. Yes.

Okay. And, uh, how How old are you now, if you don't mind me asking?

27.

27? Yes. And so you've been doing sex work since you were 16?

Yes.

All right. Uh, on your own, or were you ever with a pimp when you started? How—

so that's another situation, but yes. Um, and in Texas, so, um, that individual as of now, um, has received, um a true bill indictment.

Okay.

Um, also, and, um, we're waiting to see if he's going to take it to trial or not.

Okay. All right. And I take it you were a part of that as well too? Okay.

Yes, only witness there.

So you just snatching the pimps off the street? You work for the feds?

No.

Yeah, no, I don't.

Look, I don't.

Oh, it's all good. I mean, hey, hey, hey, you know, listen, um, Let's start from the beginning. Like, what was your childhood like for you to end up working as a sex worker? Like, what happened?

So, um, big family. Okay. A lot of family. A lot of my family is up north. All right. Um, also in the West Coast.

Okay.

Um, so, um, but we moved around a lot. And, uh, I'm originally from Des Moines, Iowa, but I've been in Texas since I was about 9 years old. So, um, And then of course, that's how I met the pimp in Texas.

At 9?

No, I met him when I was at, uh, about 16.

Okay. But I mean, what was your childhood like? Like, you know, most kids— like, my daughter, she's 17, about to turn 18, she's going to college. You know, I worked my ass off so she ain't got to sell no celebrate it, you understand? What happened in your household to where you felt like it was a big family that you had to do sex work?

Well, I had 3 sisters. I'm the youngest of my 3 sisters. I have another sister who passed away before I was born.

Okay.

But, um, with that, you know, my mom was a single mother majority of the time.

Okay.

Um, outside of our father's, you know, whatever assistance she received from them via child support or, or, you know, whatnot. My father passed away when I was about 10 or so, right, when we moved to Texas. And so, um, you know, I would see, you know, my mother struggle, um, to make ends meet. Um, a lot of things we did not have. So, you know, transportation-wise, uh, furniture, uh, lights, food, just the basics, you know. And so that is what kind of, um, navigated my path into that. It was more so, even though I was very young, seeing the money and having money was, um, at that age, to me, like, wow, you know.

Well, okay, so your mom is struggling, and, you know, we, we get this a lot. You know, I, I grew up same, same thing. Um, But who gave you the idea to sell your, to sell your body? Because it sounds like you didn't come from that, right? Like, were you molested? Were you molested?

Were you? Of course, yes.

Okay, so this one I'm trying to get to.

Yes, from a young age I was molested by a family friend of my grandmother's.

Okay.

Um, in Iowa, and I was 4 years old. Um, he did that up until I was about 5, and Yes. So, okay. Yeah.

So you went to school, were you— was it pretty normal in school, or you just—

oh, here's the thing, Tasha. At about 9 years old, yeah, I started running away a lot.

Okay.

Um, yeah, all the time.

It makes sense because like, you know, yeah, we can jump right into the pimps, but I'm like, girl, like, we gotta figure out like, how did it get to this?

Yeah, I ran away a lot, and you know, some of that was because of the issues going on at home, you know. Sometimes a lot of favoritism, you know, between my mother and, you know, sisters and things like that. And, you know, where did you go at 9?

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Have you ever noticed that since hitting 35, all the young men with their pants sagging off their asses want to push up on you? I'm Kassim, nice to meet you.

I'm Maya. You couldn't pay me to date a younger guy. I mean, what can you do for me?

That's thick as hell.

Will you please stop using the word thick? So tell me about this man friend. I'm old enough to be your aunt. He's just a baby. I think he's 22.

Well, I'm not like most men my age.

Or any age.

Young men can be pretty fun though. Hello? Shit.

Who's there?

My girlfriend.

Your girlfriend?

You gay?

I'm not some lonely old cougar looking for some young stud to take care of.

Dinner is on me today.

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So it started off small. When I would run away, I would go to like a park without asking, or, you know, go to my aunt's house without asking. It started really small, but still, at the same time, my mom be like, where is she at? Where were you at? You know? And then as I got into junior high, high school, that's when it became I would go to Shreveport, Louisiana, you know, with some friends that I just knew, you know, in some apartments next to mine. And I think I was about 14 when I did that. And then it just became, you know, constant. I would meet girls or friends, you know, who were very fast, you know, a lot faster than I was, you know, but they were getting into clubs, they were going out, they had the makeup, the lashes, you know, the whole thing, wearing heels and stuff. And, you know, we were probably like 15, 16 at this time. And so, um, yeah.

So how would you get money back to your mom? Or you just kind of left and didn't send her money? Like, because you said you guys were struggling.

When I would get money, I would come back home.

Okay.

If she hadn't called the police on me by then, because most of the time she would. And so, um, from the time I first went to detention in the state of Texas was about 13, and, um, I went all the way up until I was 17, and that's when they finally, you know, released me from that.

So you was just bad as fuck at a certain point?

Yeah, he's one to an extent. Yeah, one to be grown.

Yeah. How did you get that? Like, it's just sex work, so like Okay. And so, all right. It doesn't— it's not my life, it's yours. And I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but as to how we got here, because you got a major pimp on an indictment. And this is not the first time, I take it. So the first pimp that you met, how did you meet him?

Do you remember, do you remember a site called Backpage?

Yes.

Okay, well, you know, later on it was seized. I think that was March or May of about 2019 or something like that.

Um, a lot of the sex workers would, would solicit, and they caught a lot of pedophiles on that page too. I used to watch it with Chris Hansen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the reason they shut it down was because a lot of underage girls were being trafficked. As well. Obviously, I was underage on there. So that's how I met him. Because on Backpage, not only did they have like the escort services, they also had a— what do they call that— kind of like a forum where people would put on there almost like a job type of thing. And so that's how I ended up meeting— I'll say his name, or what they call him, is Mickey. That's how I ended up meeting him.

Okay. And how long was he your pimp for?

So his, uh, program ran more like a, um, service. So it was like, uh, you know, like the girls in Vegas or something like that. So that was always like a 50/50, um, split where he wouldn't take all the money, but it was split.

Okay. And so you were with him for how long?

All the way up until November of last year.

Oh shit.

Yeah, so that's why I'm telling you, all this moves pretty fast. And once we get into it, it's like boom, boom, boom. It, it moves pretty fast.

So you were with him for almost 10 years?

Just off and on. Now he did have a place where, going back to that, he provided home, shelter, you know, food, what, you know, just the basic things.

And you would have the servicemen in the home that you lived in?

Out.

Out.

So he ran a service, him and another woman by the name of Carla. I don't know her last name, okay, but at that time, um, a lot of people would know her. She had the biggest escort service out of Texas, and they were doing over a million dollars a year, and he was very close with her. There is also another guy by the name of Rome. A lot of people would know him, um, who also knew Mickey, and they would get a lot of Carla's services.

And so the split was 50/50? You keep 50%? How much would you— give me a typical charge for like just—

because so back in the day, or you know, when I was younger, the— it was going for like $250. Okay, for the hour.

Oh, wow. And so you, you were definitely underage, and so you were sleeping with a lot of grown men. Did they know that you were underage?

They never asked, you know, in that type of life. They don't ask those questions, you know, when they see a girl, you know, if they like the girl, you know, then they want to see the girl.

Okay.

Or multiple girls. So at the time, there were other women there, you know, it wasn't just me.

Yeah, I'll take that.

Yeah. And majority of them were already older or grown, you know. I didn't know everybody's age specifically, but, um, I remember the first call I did with Mickey, there were two other girls there, and we went to this Omni Downtown Dallas. And because he knew I was underage, he had them go up first, and there was probably about, uh, 4 or 5, um, white-collar, you know, white men. And, uh, Then they called down and he said, "Once they check it out, make sure it's not the police and everything, you can go up." So when they called back down, it was like, "Yeah, it's good," or whatever. He sent me up.

[Speaker:LATASHA_RINA_KEBE] Oh, shit.

[Speaker:JESSICA_NABONGO] Mm-hmm. So that was the first call I did. I was only there for the first hour. Now, they did keep the girls, which, you know, they made more money, because the longer you stay, the more they pay.

[Speaker:LATASHA_RINA_KEBE] Because it's by the hour.

[Speaker:JESSICA_NABONGO] Yeah, but I think I was so timid and quiet, and I didn't really know how to do things the way they did it. And they were just kind of like, yeah, we'll, we'll see y'all, you know, she, she can go. Yeah.

Okay, like this is a whole different world.

Yeah, it really is. It really is. Mm-hmm.

Okay, and so that's how organized it was. Did he charge you guys for room and board too? So like, so just 50% split, you get to live in the house, and he was making a million dollars a year off you guys. So that means if he was making $1 million a year— well, he's got multiple girls, it's just you. So you would make about, what, $200 grand a year?

I made him good money.

But you never made good money for yourself?

At the time, what I had got, and because I was so young, so it was like I didn't have rent, you know, car notes, bills, things like that. To me, it was. So I remember, um, I can't really— you know, something was going on. You know, but after school, I had walked around the corner to, like, the nail shop. I went to the Family Dollar and got, like, a Tracfone. You remember the Tracphones they used to have with the little minute card and stuff like that?

Yeah, and they would be in a plastic.

I had got that and went and got a little MP3 player and some clothes. And so anyway, I went home. And I was sitting there. You know, my mom was sitting on the couch. And she looked at me and she said— she said, "Where did you get that at? Where did you get your nails done at? Where did you get the phone and stuff from?" Because a lot of the time she would take away phones, communication devices from me and things like that. So I said, "Well, I'll buy my own." And you were 16 doing this?

Mm-hmm. Oh my God. I just—

A little bit younger then, but yeah, because I was still in junior high at that time.

Where's your mama now? Right now?

In Texas.

Okay. Mama, if she said she's sorry, I'm sorry. I just couldn't imagine what you put your mama through.

It was a lot. It was a lot.

Jesus. Because all we do is we want to protect y'all from yourselves. And the one thing I'm sure that, um— so she, she didn't— she had no clue as to what you were doing?

Not at first. But eventually, yeah. And what was her reaction when I finally got off of, uh, uh, you know, like, kiddie papers, you know, uh, when I was, uh, 17? She just told me, like, you know, now— because the thing about it is I kept going to detention for specifically running away, you know. And so in the state of Texas, 17 is legal, so You know, she just told me, like, you know, you're grown now. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. OK. So you're with Mickey—

Yes.

—for 10 years. OK. He's now on papers. It seemed like everything was going great. Mm-hmm.

Until it wasn't.

So what happened when it— when things— like, when did things start to turn not so great? Before we get into the other guys, because I know why you're here, but like— You know, we like to know what led up to this particular point, because I know you're going to unload on these niggas here that you got the indictment on. Absolutely. But what happened to make you just say, "Fuck it with Mickey," and put his ass in the feds?

A situation happened where threats were made toward myself, toward my children. And with that, you know, it was like all bets are off at that point. Yeah.

No, what, what, all the way up until last year? So what, what happened? Like, what changed? What went from, you know, you were with him 10 solid years, obviously you made a lot of money over those years, and then shit just hit the fan? Like, why would he threaten you?

You'd have to ask him, you know. Did you want to leave or something and go with another pimp? What? No, I just, I don't know. I really don't know. He would get in these moods at times and say things, do things. We'd fall out, go our own separate ways. That's why I said it was off and on because I never really just lived with him consecutively during that time. My kids' dad is a whole nother person. And so, yeah. But that was what happened. A disagreement took place. As it had always before, and it just sparked, you know, some nasty things being said. And what do you say, he was gonna kill you? No, he didn't say he was gonna kill me. This is what happened. I'm gonna give you the detail, okay? We, uh, always worked, as I told you before, on a 50/50 split, okay? Also, um, if a girl would receive tips or if a guy wanted to pay her more, that was hers. That had nothing to do with him or anybody else. Okay, so a situation happened where, um, I went to a call— not a call of his. One of the girls said she was out of town and had a client, and, um, if I could go do that call. Okay. He let me know about it and was like, well, you know, you talk to her, she's gonna do all that. You know, he made it seem as if he had nothing to do with that part. Okay, okay. So I went to the call. What the guy gave me, I sent her half of it, which is what was fine, which is what we've always done.

Okay, if you take her client for— and she can't make it, just for you making extra money.

Yeah, okay. And, uh, after that, the guy, you know, wanted to spend more time. Okay. And, um, he paid for that extra time. Okay, after that, the next day she calls on the phone. She's like, oh yeah, um, you know, because, you know, they call me honey. So she said, oh yeah, honey, um, I just got done talking to so-and-so and did you get, you know, paid that amount? I said, yeah, why? She's like, oh, I just think that's effed up and that's slimy and, you know, you know, drama. And I'm trying to understand where is that coming from. You know, where's that coming from? How much did you end up making?

Do you remember?

He— $1,500 total. Damn. Okay. Wow. Yeah, he was good.

Okay. And so you gave her half of the—

it was booked for $400.

So you gave her half of that $400, and then the extra money that you made for the extra time. Yep. That's yours? Yeah. That's like a tip? Yeah. Okay.

And so did he tell her how much he paid you or something and tipped her and Yeah, because, uh, that was her client, so she had been seeing him for some time. So, like, you know, she felt comfortable enough to call him or just be like, hey, did you enjoy yourself? You know, was everything fine? You know, and I guess he told her yeah and whatever else she asked him.

Oh, so she was a little jealous.

Yeah, that's what it was. And she was like, but you know Mickey and all this. And I said, well, listen, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna call Mickey, okay? And I'm gonna ask him what he thinks about it because it seems like you're coming at me standing on some type of principle about Mickey. And so let me call him straight up and ask him, you know, what's going on, what's the problem? Well, when I talked to him, that's when I knew, you know, he was in on that. And it wasn't just her, it was like 2 other girls that he had there.

So they all wanted you to split that $1,500?

Yeah, you know. But the thing is, talking crazy, you know, making threats, things like that, you know. Now the thing about Mickey is he has this woman, and this is going to come full circle when we get into the Grandmaster, the Bishop, the guy out of St. Louis, the guy out of Chicago, and Pimp 'n' Ken. Okay, so this lady, her name is Kat. She lives in St. Louis. She's always been what I would consider her to be, is a madam, and she's had, you know, other things in the past that would support that too, you know, not with me but with other girls. Okay, okay, so when things happen or whatever, when it comes to Mickey, she's always like kind of that person to be like, hey, or, you know, kind of his mouthpiece, you know what I mean? And so she did that in that situation too, you know.

And so, you know, so she called you and tried to rectify the situation and shit turned. Yeah. Yeah. And this is all over money, $700.

Yeah, whatever the difference was exactly.

And so threats were made against you? Yes. And then you decided to go to the feds on his ass?

Yes. Because by then, you have to understand, 10 years. So, you know, we've had falling outs and disagreements and different things like that, or, you know, we may go time, you know, I'm talking months, 3 to 6 months without even communicating and things like that, you know. So it was just at point, and then you bring my kids into it, you have to understand a lot of the girls that were around, I was very, you know, like, to myself, so to speak. I didn't get into hanging out with them. You know, none of them would say she was my friend. You know, we kicked it, none of that. It was really just a business thing, you know. And so when they brought those personal things up, I'm like, It has to be coming from you, Mickey. OK. You know? OK. Because they don't know me well enough to know anything, you know? So that's how that happened.

So you felt betrayed, pretty much, him telling those girls your business. Yeah. So you decided to put on—

Yeah, don't mention my kids, you know? And it was over right there. And I told him that too. So it wasn't like a surprise. He wasn't blindsided. I told all of them what I was going to do.

And what did they say?

Well, and I have voicemails and all that that you can listen to for what they said. You know, she was like, you know, calling me, I mean, that's fine. He's not talking about you to other women. And y'all just, you know, bickering and all that. No. You know. So yeah.

Stand on business.

Yeah, you have to.

You have to. All right. Well, Mickey, do you— Hope you getting your affairs in order, because he ain't in jail yet, is he?

Oh yeah, he was arrested. So this happened in November. Okay. I think I made the report like early November, November 11th or so, but he wasn't arrested until the 10th of February.

He had been trafficking you for 10 years?

Yes. But the thing that the detective said, she said, I'm going to tell you something honestly, is it a part of the story, yes. But she said, I don't really— I'm not gonna touch on the trafficking part of it. What I'm here to do is address, were you working for him when you were a minor? And I said, yes.

All the way back. Damn. Okay. Yep. This is a big one for the detective. These are political moves. You have to understand, these are promotional moves. Okay, so you done gave her a big fish and she just— so you and the detective, y'all, y'all doing good. So this same detective, is she the one that is bringing the indictment against Grandmaster Virgil?

No, because that was in Texas.

Okay.

The indictment against the Grandmaster Virgil is in California. So how did you meet Grandmaster Virgil? Okay, so in January of this year, okay, I left Texas and went to St. Louis, right, within, uh, with the named Ron. Okay, okay. Ron is how I even got introduced to the Love Hip Hop cast. Okay, and that, that's another thing.

Love Hip Hop, which franchise?

Benzino, Mama Dee, Atlanta.

Okay, Atlanta. Go ahead, go, go, go, go.

Okay, and so that's how I met them was through him. Okay, so from there, St. Louis he sends me to New York, okay? When he sends me to New York, I am to send him a profit on whatever he spent sending me to New York and what he gave me to even go to New York, okay?

Okay. So who were you going to New York to see? To work. Okay, so he already had people set up for you?

No, I was going there. The Airbnb. Oh, the flight. Okay. The, the food, the clothes, the, you know, things you need, transportation, all that.

That's a lot of money he invested in you. Okay, so if you were to go to New York and basically get your own clients— yes. How did you go about getting your own clients though?

So there's, um, websites for that. Okay. And some websites are better than others. You know, you have those websites and, you know, I— the wording, I'm trying to use the right wording.

Okay.

You know, but if I was just talking to you straight out, I would say there are what I consider to be bottom of the barrel type of websites like Backpage, like I was telling you earlier.

New websites now. Yeah. Okay.

And so there's websites where you get or you may have more elite clientele. You know. Um, and so that's what I was, uh, working off of. Okay, so like escort services?

Yes. Okay. And so, um, so you're in an Airbnb, he— Grandmaster Virgil's taking care of it?

Well, no, that was Ron.

That was Ron, my bad. Ron's taking care of it out of St. Louis. He's taking care of it, taking care of your flight. So basically, as you're making money, you're sending him money back and keeping some for yourself?

As I made money, he was still sending me money because I would explain to him that the overhead was still more than what he had initially gave me just to get there. You know, New York is expensive, right? You know, it's expensive. Airbnb a day is like $150, and that's just like, you know, the basic, you know.

Okay. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I mean, I know I go— I just came from New York. It's, it's quite, it's quite costly to stay there.

Yeah. And I flew into LaGuardia when I first flew in. Okay. And so to go from LaGuardia all the way to, um, like the Manhattan area, uh, the district— I forget what it's called, but the district something, um, you're gonna spend over $100. That's just to get from point A to B. I mean, it's expensive.

Right. So you would basically set yourself up on websites and invite people in, get your, get your money. And so, but it wasn't picking up as fast as it, it should have been. And so the overhead, he had to keep supporting because you weren't making enough to cover your expenses.

That's right. And another thing I'll tell you is that, um, it's always me going out, you know, it's never someone coming to see me. Okay.

Because I was gonna say that could be kind of dangerous.

Very. Well, It's all dangerous, but that is, you know, how I was always taught, was to go out.

Don't let them know where you stay. Right. Okay. So, um, how long were you in New York?

I was only in New York for about a week and a half, and he— Ron had plans to drive up to New York, okay, um, to meet me there, and then whatever he had planned after that. That's when I met Virgil.

Okay. All right. And so when you meet Virgil, how did that meeting go?

So there's a guy from Chicago by the name of Ravel, you know, they call him Romaine. And, um, I spoke to him. I was talking to him. Um, this is from Facebook. And okay, he saw, um, he said, I'm gonna get you in touch with my friend, who I didn't know him at the time, and it was Virgil.

Okay. All these guys are, like I said, are very, uh, active on social media. Oh yeah, they talk about their pimping escapades and things that they used to do, they no longer do now, but they're out here somewhat educating. But yet you say without a doubt that you recently worked for them as of this year.

Oh, well, it's facts. Yeah. And the thing about it is, you know, I mean, it's been under investigation, so everything that I'm telling you has been ran through detectives, you know, officers, and then now up to the district attorney. Okay. You know, so I'm not telling you anything that's just fabricated or, you know, throwing stuff out there.

Yeah, I got you. I got you. So you meet Virgil And, uh, because you had mentioned something about the Love Hip Hop cast. And so did you service them or something?

I did not. Okay, Benzino ain't buy no pussy? No. Oh, because he had a girlfriend. Oh, you know, and so when we were there, I was told that was her house, you know. And I have videos and pictures, you know, of being there and stuff too, because the whole thing of it, uh, Benzino and Ron, you know, after we kicked it and chilled for a little bit, um, they went to the studio And I stayed there with his girlfriend, Benzino's girlfriend. Okay, I met her before in Atlanta on FaceTime.

Okay, um, all right, the dark-skinned chick. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so, um, shout out to Benzino, he's a friend of mine. So, okay, um, but, uh, all right, so you meet Grandmaster Virgil and, um, in New York. In New York.

So we were talking on the phone. All right. And he said, okay, I'm gonna send for you to come out here, which is to California. Okay. Okay. So when I flew into California, it was a late flight, probably about 11 to 12 midnight. Okay. Got in and, um, he came to pick me up from the Sacramento airport. Okay. From there we went to like the store to grab, you know, some stuff, and then went to his his apartment. All right. One of his homes in Dixon, California. Okay. Um, from there it was so late, and you know, the flight and everything, I was tired. You know, I don't know how— if he had been up or not, but I took a shower, got in the bed, and went to sleep. Okay. Okay. So the next day I wake up, he was in the kitchen making, like, you know, breakfast. And after that, you know, we had a brief conversation, and he was like, I have to go take care of some business. And he left. And I didn't see him until 3 days later. That's some heavy business.

Mm-hmm. OK.

So what did you do for those 3 days? I called him. I was like, where are you? You know, what's going on? Because I'm sitting here in the house. I'm like, uh, where's the food at? What's going on? Yeah, you used to being taken care of. Yeah. Okay. And none of that. And I'm just like, what?

Mm-hmm. So he comes back 3 days later.

What did he tell you he was? He never said.

All right. And so nobody's in the house but you?

Right.

Okay.

And, uh— Well, I can also tell you when, uh, there was a maintenance guy who came by, and when he came by, um, he said a name and he was like, Habib, you know, some type of, uh, what do they call that?

African name?

Is it African? I thought it was African. Okay, so that's what he said, and I was like, who? And he was like, Habib Samir, is he here? And I was like, no, it's just me. But he had to fix like something in the shower or something like that. So anyway, I let him in. And so that was, you know, my first notion of, you know, who is he type of thing, you know?

Okay. All right. So yeah, Habib Samir. Yep, that is very African, West African. He could be Senegalese, you know, or Mali. You just never know. Okay. So, um, What— after he gets back for 3 days, do you instantly go to work? What, what happened?

So in hindsight, I can tell you that what he expected me to do, and based off the brief conversation that we had, he expects his girls to be on autopilot. And what that means is whatever that woman has to do, to just go do it and bring him money. And I'm not— and I, I don't— I've never— I don't even know what that, you know. So you go out there, you—

he doesn't fund you or support you, you're just gonna make your money and bring it back to him, right? But he's not providing anything for you, right? Okay. And so And like, did he discuss that with you before? No?

No. So when we had the brief conversation on the phone, he went into, you know, I'm taking a chance with you. You know, we need to do things so that basically nothing comes back to him. You know, when he talks, he's very like vague, even though he could be talking directly to you. It's like, okay, I'm the person who's working for you, so be direct with me, you know what I mean? But no, he just— he was very vague. He didn't get very, you know, like clear on what his intentions were, detail, until he came back after those, uh, 3 days. Okay.

And so that was a conversation of basically he expects you to get it how you get it, right?

I think when he came back after those 3 days, he was disappointed.

Oh, so he left you—

he left you in the house to work? Yeah, without telling me that though, and I didn't know that. Okay, you know, because you got to explain the contract, Virgil. Yeah, yeah, because someone of his, um, status— status he feels like that should just be something, you know, you already knew, right?

And you're like, I'm a kept girl, right? Okay, Virgil. All right, so here's the thing. No, your story is absolutely mind-blowing. I gotta tell you, I, I interview a lot of people, and I gotta tell you, this is probably one of the top 5, right? Um, it's just the transparency of it all, you know, that— and that's, you know, that's what the platform is about. Is the transparency of it all. It doesn't matter what walk of life you come from. We're not here to judge. We're here to learn and let you, you know, get out what it is that you need to get out. And so Virgil had you fucked up pretty much.

Pretty much. OK. In every way.

In every way. Yeah. And so what was the conversation like? What did you— what did you say to him after he told you, like, where's the money? You were supposed to be making money. I left you in this apartment.

It was just like, I don't know what you're talking about. But what he would say is he would say something like, anything came through yet? Or he would say something like, um, uh, you, you have, you have a date yet? I'm like, no, none of that. None of that has happened. I haven't talked to you. I haven't seen you in 3 days. You left me an apartment with no food. Virgil. You know what I'm saying?

So that's not— so you know, social media capping like he, he got it and all this.

And we're gonna get into that because right now I have a very prominent lawyer who's handled a lot of high-profile, uh, cases, okay, when it comes to women and things like that. And so that's, um, you know, in the works right now too, okay?

So basically he's sitting on social media like he, he got it running down like that, but he's not giving y'all no, no instructions. He's not y'all, he not feeding y'all, he expects to just come collect half. Like, Mickey seemed like he treated you good up until the last year.

It was what I signed up for, what I agreed to.

Okay, but you've had better than Mickey? Who, who was— out of all the pimps you had, who was the best?

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Have you ever noticed that since hitting 35, all the young men with their pants sagging off asses want to push up on you. I'm Kassim, nice to meet you. I'm Maya.

You couldn't pay me to date a younger guy. I mean, what can he do for me?

That's thick as hell.

Will you please stop using the word thick?

So tell me about this man friend.

I'm old enough to be your aunt. He's just a baby. I think he's 22.

Well, I'm not like most men my age, or any age. Young men can be pretty fun Hello? Hello? My girlfriend. Your girlfriend? You gay? I'm not some lonely old cougar looking for some young stud to take care of.

Dinner was on me today.

Oh, nah, I got mine. Is that why you're dressed like somebody out of Love Hip Hop? What's wrong with my outfit? It's a little young, don't you think? Watch this full program and other exclusive content on www.tashakalive.com.

My kid's dad. Oh, shit. Wow. Okay. So I met Mickey about 3 months before I met my kid's dad.

Mm-hmm. Okay. So how long have you known your kid's dad?

I met him when I was 15, but that was through, like, internet talking, texting, phone type of thing. I didn't see him until I was about 16.

Okay. And, uh, obviously your kid's dad's older than you, correct?

Oh yeah, when I met him, he was about 53.

Mm-hmm. And you were how old?

I was about 16. And you had sex with him? Yes. Yeah.

Okay. This is definitely some pretty—

it's a lot to take in. Yeah. But the thing about it is my kid's dad, he was— he had everything that— Like what? As far as what I told you that I felt like I was missing at home. And things like that, you know. He had a lot of money, um, you know. He—

so he was a pimp, but he took care of you?

Oh yeah, he was that go-to person, you know. You know, him and Mickey never met, but they knew about or of each other.

But I thought pimps don't share their girls.

Well, and, uh, in Mickey's case, he would say something like, uh, you know, back in the day he was like that, you know, where it was like he was checking a girl's whole trap, taking all of her money, things like that. But as he got older, he said that's when he changed it to be like, you know, just make an agreement.

And yeah, okay, it got a little easier.

Yeah, yeah, he felt like that.

50/50, I gotta look for you. Yeah, I just helped set up. We run this like, uh, like you ran a hair salon booth from me, right? Pretty much. That's how Mickey ran it. But your, your kid's father— how many kids you got with him? Two. Wow. Okay, when'd you have your first baby? 19. Okay, and then your second?

About 20. They're 3 years apart, so I was about 22.

Okay, and your kids have always lived with their father? Yes, because I was gonna say you seem like you, you're on the go a lot. A lot. Okay. And so you just stop in, they know you mama, and—

Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I left from living with my kids' dad when I was 21. Okay. I wasn't living with him anymore.

All right. And you left the kids there because he was obviously—

Well, no, I took my kids with me. Oh. Yeah. So he wanted to go through a custody battle, which I still have custody of my kids. Kids, but he wanted to, um, you know, he sued me in court, uh, for taxes on the home. Um, y'all bought a house together? I was paying the taxes on the home. Okay, but my name was not anywhere on that house, so that didn't go.

Y'all must have something in writing.

No, we didn't. Okay, that's just what I did every year. So when I left I was no longer doing that, and he went and filed a lawsuit, uh, against me. Did he win? No, it was dismissed. Okay, okay.

All right, so, um, back to Virgil. We'll come back to your kid's father in a little bit. Damn, girl. Um, so back to Virgil. So Virgil basically is asking you, where's the money? I left you here for 3 days, right? So basically it was your apartment to stay in, to work.

I don't know. And then another thing is, Tasha, that entire apartment had girl, woman stuff in it, like the bed, the furniture. Everything in that apartment was very feminine. So in my head, I'm like, whose house is this? Whose apartment is this? He said it was his. Really, I was hoping another woman didn't come over because even in the bathroom, there's you know, hair stuff for women, women hygiene products, you know.

Maybe he had it outfitted for you so when the men came over it looked like it was a woman living there.

Yeah, I have no clue. So when did shit turn left?

Like, when did things get bad to the point where you had to get the detectives involved? Okay, get an indictment on Virgil, right?

Exclusive shit, right? So when he came back from being gone for those 3 days, he came back, you know, ain't nothing happened, you know, you haven't did a day yet, blah blah blah. I was like, No, you know, and I told him, uh, I'm hungry, you know. So he went out, um, and when he came back, he didn't come back with food. He came back with a condom.

Like, if you hungry, go work.

No, he want— we had sex.

Mhm. So you, you, you had sex with Virgil? Right. But you was still hungry. Right. OK, so what happened?

So after that, he gets on the phone. This is when he starts making calls. He has it on speaker. And we're sitting on the bed still. Right. So this is when he starts calling. He calls his nephew. He calls a few people out of Atlanta. He calls Bishop Don Juan. He calls Pimp 'n' Ken and a few other people. And this was just like, I have a girl here. You know, uh, say hi. I'm like, hi, you know. And he gets to talking to them and, and things like that.

And he— you need work, is that what he's doing? Yeah, basically. Yeah. Okay.

And so, um, did he get you some work? So what he said is, um, he got off the phone, you know, went in the living room or whatever, so he was still talking And when he came back in the room, he said, "I'm going to send you to Salinas, California." So he wanted me to leave from Dixon, where we were, to go to Salinas. And he said, "You're going to meet somebody there. You're going to work with him and his girls." And I didn't want to do that.

Why?

I just didn't want to do it. It didn't seem like— I don't know. To me, it felt like he was in this, you know, I don't know, just mode of like, you know, give me some money, give me some money, you know. And just to be frank with you, you know, when a dude is like that, he's not thinking straight. And so he'd put you in any situation if he thinks that that's going to generate income or make him money. Things like that.

Girl, you are exposing the fuck out of this guy.

Yeah, I mean, it's just the facts. It's just the facts. And I later on found out, you know, from someone else. This lady told me, she said, you know, you've never been there, but I have, and Salinas is not— there's nothing city about it. There's nothing, you know, she's like, it's just a bunch of hills, dirt roads, you know, maybe oil fields, cattle. She's like, I don't know what you would have done out there, you know? So I don't know. Okay. So anyway, but I tell him, so, um, you know, and I'm sitting back. So the whole time, uh, just to interject, I had a couple, you know, some change on my Cash App. Okay. And I walked around to a place called Andy's, uh, off around there somewhere and got me something to eat, you know, while he was gone for that period of time. Yeah. I mean, but that was it. Okay. Yeah. So, but in his mind, this wasn't important to him. You know, me not eating was not important to him. He left out the house and came back with a condom to have sex with me.

Why did he want to have sex with you?

I don't know, ask him.

Do you think he was trying to test you out?

Maybe that too.

Why, why did you end up having sex with him if he didn't feed you?

He just wanted to have sex.

Was he good?

No, it wasn't anything to be like, oh wow, You know? OK. I think he— you know, he's so old. Virgil is 79. You know that. No, I did not know that. Yeah, Virgil is old. There's nothing— you know. His dick still get hard? No, you know? No, and that's why it was like, you know, a hard time. You know what I mean? That, you know— yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Um, so how did the indictment come into play?

Okay, it came into play.

It seems like he gonna die in jail if he's 79. Like, yeah, pretty much.

Okay. Um, and that's what other people are saying too. Um, but the thing of it is, is that, um, so when he did that, I just like let him do whatever he was doing because at that point, I just felt like, you know, he's gonna do what he wants to do, you know. And I honestly felt like I was at his mercy because I'm in a place that I don't know. Um, we were pretty far from the airport. I don't remember the exact distance, but I know we drove a while from the airport back to where we were. Okay. You know, and it was nighttime, so maybe it felt a little bit longer. But, um, so anyway, um, got in the car and he went to the Amtrak, uh, station in Sacramento and bought an Amtrak ticket for me to go to Salinas. Right after he did that, we went to a strip club in Sacramento. I can't remember the name of it, but he went in there and talked to the people. I stood at like in the walkway in the door, but he said he knew the people, um, there. Okay. And so he went in there, talked to them or whatever, came back out, we got in the car, we left. So, um, yeah. And then after that, we went to the casino. I think it's called Thunderbird Casino, something like that. Thunder something. And that's when he told me, get out the car and go in there. And I was like, and do what? And he's like, that's where all the money's at. That's where you're gonna find all the tricks at. You gotta get out the car and go in there and find somebody. They're gonna get you a room and everything. They're the ones who's gonna make sure you get it, all this type of stuff. I said, you want me to go in a casino with no money and find a trick?

Yeah. So tell me real quick, because, you know, I'm oblivious to this lifestyle. You know, I hear about it, and, you know, I've I, you know, talk to girls who are working girls and stuff like that. So you have a pimp. The pimp is supposed to provide certain things for you to be able to work. So they're like, right, your investor, right? Say, right. So they ensure that you have a room and board, you have food, you have the things that you need in order to work, and then you guys split what you make.

It depends on whatever that person's program is. You know, I'm speaking to you in a way that I feel like people can I understand it. But if, you know, just me and you speaking, or if I were to use the terms that they actually use in the game, it's whatever that pimp's program is. That, that's how it goes. So what did Virgil—

what did Virgil tell you his pimp program was?

Oh, he collects all the money. So why'd you go with him? I didn't know that until we had that conversation at the apartment.

So when Ron gave you off to Virgil— Ravel. Ravel. When Ravel gave you off to Virgil from New York, right?

And Ron didn't know that I had left New York to go to California to be with Virgil. He still thought I was in New York. Ron did.

But so he just took you? Yeah. Away. Okay. And so you There wasn't no discussion, prior discussion, as to what the terms would be before you went out there? And you just went? No. OK. I just went. Because it's always been good terms, or doable terms for you with other pimps. So you assumed that he knew what the game was. Right. But being that he's 79—

Someone to be, yeah, with the status that he is, and to claim to know the things that he knows, or indulging in the things that he indulges, is yes, I just— assumed that, you know—

and this man almost 80 years old.

Yeah, he's 79. Do you think his birthday is actually tomorrow, August 2nd? Damn.

So do you think that maybe because of his age he's a little out of touch with how modernized things are?

Well, when we fell out, Ravel Romaine, you know, was the mediator, and he, you know, called me a lot of the time. And, you know, he's going through a lot, and, you know, he just lost his sister and all this type of stuff. Which I told Ravelle, I said, listen, for someone whose sister is dying in the hospital, and however that's affecting him, you know, mentally, emotionally, physically, however, why would he drive me to a ditch and tell me he's gonna kill me and throw you know, cut me up and throw me out in the ditch. Virgil told you that? Oh yeah, that's when it all blew up.

So yeah, he ate it. He's strong enough to do that.

He is. He, he works out every day. He does, even though he's old.

And you know, but he said he won't cut you up and throw you until nobody can find you. Oh yeah, he said, I'll be right back.

No. So after he did all that, going to, you know, the Amtrak, the strip club, the casino, because I called him from the casino and I'm like, come pick me up, you know, I'm ready to go, you know. And you also have to know there's a lot of security and things like that at the casino. Yeah, so you can't be tricking, you know, I mean, if they'll put you out, you know, or what, if you're not gambling. Yeah, and a lot of working girls would tell you it's called, you know, they'll 86 you out for that. Okay, so anyway, I called him and I said, you know, I'm ready, you know, come pick me up. He came to pick me up, same thing. Did you get it yet? What happened? Did you get a date? I said, no, none of that. Nope. So this is when he went through the whole, you know, he just did a lot of talking, you know, and I was just quiet majority of the time, you know, and things like that. He called his nephew on the phone and put him on the car speaker and was like, yeah, I think this one gonna blow, I think this one gonna blow, and all this type of stuff. I don't think this is gonna work out, and all this different types of stuff. So no, seriously. And So when we got back to his apartment, and he was sitting on the bed like he was finna get cozy and comfortable, and I told him, I said, hey, I'm ready to go. I need you to get me to the airport. I'm ready to go. And he jumped up and he was like, oh, you want me to take you right now? I said, yeah. And he's like, oh, okay. He put on his shoes and his little jacket and everything. He's like, you got everything and everything? I was like, yep, I got everything. I'm ready. Get in the car. In the car on our way to the airport. And this is when he starts talking. I mean, I'm saying it's like, you know, I thought you was gonna be down with me. I thought you, you know, things like that, you know. And I was just quiet the whole time. So when I knew there was a problem is he got all the way to where the exit sign said Sacramento Airport. He kept driving past the airport where it said Los Angeles, as if you're going into Los Angeles. And he just kept driving and driving and talking crazy, you know. I knew it was fixing to get bad right there.

When you say fixing to get bad, what you mean?

Why are you passing up our destination?

Okay. And so he was—

And he was still talking crazy.

And he was hurling out threats, something like he was going to take you out and put you in a ditch.

No, he wasn't saying that yet. He was just talking crazy. I mean, I thought, I mean, you know, you said you was going to be here for me and all different type of stuff. I mean, what kind of game you playing and all this different type of stuff. He— you know, that type of stuff, you know. So, um, he keeps driving, and I notice we're on a small back road. It's dark. There's no lights other than his headlights are leading the way. And we get— he turns into a little part, you know, like gravel, because you can't drive all the way in because there's nothing but grass and then field and trees, you know. And he cuts off the car, and he turns to me, and he says, are you the police? And I said, what? That's what he said. And I said, what are you talking about? You know, and I told him, which that's what set him off, okay? But I told him, I said, I'm not out to get you. You know, was that the wrong choice of words?

I don't know.

Well, that's what I said to him. And he said, "Bitch, what did you say to me?" And so he start slipping his hand down in between his seat on the driver's side, between the door and the seat. And he just kept putting his hand down there. He never pulled anything up. So I don't know if it was a gun. I don't know if it was a knife. But I'm sitting on the passenger side. While he's doing all this. And I, you know, look out the corner of my eye, I see him doing this, you know. But I felt like the best and the only thing I could do right there was just to keep my composure and to continue to be silent. Because you have to understand, him driving and talking and all that, and then it was like, I say one thing and now you're reaching for something. So I figured, like, there's nothing I can say. That, you know, other than piss you off or set you off for whatever reason, you know?

I mean, I'm sure you've learned over the years intuitively how to maneuver in situations like that, so you can kind of pick up on the energy, right?

But I can tell you one thing, Miss Tasha. I have never been in a situation like that. Never. Ever. I mean, you know, just never. So what happened?

Did he decide to take you back to the airport?

So he was like, no, what he did, he said, you know, what you mean by that? What you mean by that? And I said, well, what I'm saying is, I had nothing but pure intentions, you know, in dealing with you. That's what I told him. You know. And so his hand was still in there and he was like, give me your ID, give me your ID, give me your ID. And I'm like, what? And you know, my ID was in the back seat, you know. So I tell him like, it's back there. So he goes and rummages back there and gets my ID and he's just staring at it for at least 30 seconds to a minute. He's just staring at it. I don't know what he wanted to see on there. I told him I was from Texas, I have a Texas license. I don't know if he was looking at the address, which I no longer reside at anyway. You know, most people don't, but, you know, I don't know what he was looking at, but he wanted that ID.

And so you gave him that?

He got the ID, then he handed it back to me, and, uh, you know, he told me, he's like, yeah, you know, about 10 years ago— that's the specific number he gave— about 10 years ago I'd have, you know, I'd have cut you up and threw you out in that field. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I just stayed quiet. And I was looking straight ahead out into the darkness, you know. And so what he did is he flinched at me. But like I said, I'm looking straight ahead. So I never even looked at him other than when I looked down like that out the corner and realized his hand was in between the seats. Feet, you know, reaching for something. And so when he did like that, you know, flinched at me with his hand, I jumped to the, you know, window door side. And, and then, you know, I finally looked at him, you know, and I told his friend, you know, Ravelle, and I'll tell you, I saw a pure demon, you know. Whoever that was in that car was not, you know, the person I had been talking to. That's not the person who came and picked me up from the airport. That was, you know, a demon. So how did you get back to the house? So, well, after that happened, from there, he starts the car after doing all of that, starts the car and takes me to the airport.

OK. And then you call, you get on a plane? Who got your flight for you?

Exactly. So I get to the airport. Now, in the midst of this happening, OK, there's a lot of detail, right? I'm giving you the gist. But what I can tell you is that in seeing him, I had a person, a client that I knew in Texas. Was send me money, okay? In the midst of all this, okay, that is what I sent to him. So it wasn't as if I didn't give him any money. I sent it to the Cash App that he told me to send it to.

Grandmaster Virgil. Virgil, yeah, just to satisfy him.

Yeah, to shut him up. Yeah. And to satisfy him. Yeah.

And how much was it that you sent him? $70. And he was happy with that?

Yep. Oh, shit. So you would think someone— that's why I was just like, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. And here's the thing. Even when he was talking about sending me to Selena's, he wanted to put me on what they call the track or the blade. Trade, or the whole strobe. Yeah, streetwalker. I've never done that in my life. So if I had known that, I also would have told him no, no, no. You know? Yeah, never. So, um, yeah, drops me off at the airport and keeps on going. Actually, he did say, um, call me back when you get some stuff together. Call me back when you get yourself together. Okay. So when he dropped me off at the airport, I text him and I said, listen, you need to get me a ticket out of here, or number two, send me back the money I sent you. You understand? Because what he didn't understand is that even when I buy a flight and then when I get to my destination, I have to eat, I have to pay for a roof over my head. I have other things to do, you know, which is not his concern at that point. But send me back what I sent you. That's what I told him. And I told him— he— well, he stopped answering the phone. He, uh, you know, put his number on like do not disturb to where it was just going, you know, to voicemail ring a little bit. So he was avoiding me. And so I left him a message, a voicemail And I said, you either send me back the money, pay for me a flight, or I'm calling the police. And what happened? I called the police. Okay. And I got on the phone and I told them I called the Dixon Police Department. And, you know, I told them, I said, I said, I'm here in Sacramento. I'm at the airport. Okay. I'm not from here. And I have no way to get back home. Oh, well, I was involved in sex trafficking. Okay. And I need help. Oh, damn. They said, we're going to put your call in the queue, you know, and we'll get you a call back. That detective called me back, Miss Tasha, and said to me, where are you at? I said, I'm at the Sacramento airport. He said, stay there. I'm going to come pick you up. OK. He came and picked me up personally. And this was like about 2:30, 3:00 AM in the morning.

And so here we are.

And here we are. But he did also ask me on the phone, he was like, what is it that you're wanting? You know, and I told him I need to get home. And he said, okay, I'm going to come pick you up. I want you to have a conversation with me, and I promise you I will get you home.

And so you, you, from there, charges have been rendered. Yeah. Okay.

So what actually happened while I was talking to the detective, Virgil got the voicemail and he called my phone while I was in there with the detective. So they were able to bring out the recorders and everything and record that conversation that he wanted to have with me about that.

Virgil, you done fucked up. Yeah. Yeah.

And he got on there.

All you had to do was feed her. Goddamn.

Okay. He got on that phone, he was like, I got Beverly Hills lawyers, girl, don't you know we get on your head? And, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, talking about you gonna call the police, we don't play that, we don't play that, uh, you know. And then, you know, just talking crazy like he had been doing before, you know. And so, you know, after they recorded it, at a certain point the detective was just I was like, you know, cut the call, you know, we got too much. And I cut the call.

Okay. All right. So, um, so basically you want to come to the internet to let the internet know that Virgil is not who he is out here proclaiming to be?

Well, here's the thing, Virgil Bishop Don Juan and Pimp 'n' Ken as well. Pimp 'n' Ken, if you saw just a week or two ago, did an interview on The Breakfast Club.

Yeah, I did see that. Yeah. Okay.

And, uh, what's the, the girl's name? Jess Hilarious. Yeah, Jess Hilarious. And she was asking him, you know, how many girls did you have at a time? You know, how many? And I think he said like 11 or 14, somewhere between that, right? You know, you know, if it ain't snowing, he ain't going. You know what I mean? Things like that. And I said, you know, they talk about it, but then in the same breath, they'll sit there and say, but you know, I don't do that anymore, and you know, that ain't my style, and you know, I want other people, you know. And it's just like, these people are narco-paths, sociopaths, and psychopaths who have created a facade, and they wear a mask. Why? Because this mask gets them access. Virgil, he gets to go to be around these people. I don't know if you've seen or not, but he was just, uh, with Mama D. This is, I think, about a week ago, maybe, maybe a month ago, sorry, hanging out with these people. Bishop Don Juan gets to get in movies, Pimp and Ken. And the whole thing of it is, although we made ourselves to be who we are off of the abuse, the backs, the struggle that women have went through, right, to make them who they are. But at the same time, they'll claim this is not what they do anymore when it is very much what they do.

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Different strokes for different folks. Because then, uh, you know, uh, Ravel Romaine, yeah, uh, had been calling me and things like that, and he's the one who initiated the threats toward me and told me, you know, uh, yeah, you talked to, to Virgil? I said, no, I haven't talked to Virgil. Oh, well, I talked to to him. Yeah, yeah. Uh, and, uh, he got a lawyer and I got a lawyer. And, you know, I have all this stuff in text message, you know, and voicemail stuff too. And, uh, this is when he told me, you know, you're so young, I just hate that you're in this situation, you know. You're just so young. Um, um, you know, I mean, one day you may be out and somebody, you know, may be like, there goes that girl that told on, you know, them, you know, Virgil or Pimpin' Ken or the bishop. And, you know, and, and you'll be looking down, you know, I— he said something to the effect of, you know, you'd be looking down a gun barrel, or, you know, a gun will be in your face or in the middle of your head, or some, some shit like that he said.

And, and so you, you definitely took that to the detectives, correct?

Oh yeah, yeah. And then when, um, like I said, I hadn't talked to him, he'll reach out. So, you know, I changed my number, you know, a couple of times. But, um, he reached out and whatnot, and that following day the detective, uh, called me and he said, I just wanted to let you know that if they are reaching out, it's because we executed the search warrants. Because I guess there was like a 90-day something approaching, and he said, so they're going to be reaching out. Don't answer your phone, don't take any calls from them because they can track your location. You know, yeah. And then I also found out from Ravelle Romaine that Virgil, you know, his businesses, his books, his websites, and things like that, if you notice, there's a woman's name on that. And her name is Margaret. I believe it's Tolliver. And she also has a Facebook as well. But how can you say, like a front person? It was her Cash App that he had me send the money to, is what they found out. And when the search warrants were executed, she has also been implicated in what's going on here. Here, you know.

Okay. Yeah. So, um, this is an incredible story, and, um, I've never met anybody like you before in my life. Yeah. Yeah. Never.

Yeah.

You know, I think you should teach a class on how to treat a lady? I think if people had your skill set, not as far as the skills that you derived by way of unfortunately selling your body, there's other negotiation skills, your follow-through, your determination. Like, you really mean business.

Oh yeah, you have to, because the thing about it is— and then Ravelle's gonna say— see, you have to understand, Ravelle is like Virgil's mouthpiece. So Virgil's not getting on the phone, he's all, man, that man is scared. And then like, remember what you said earlier, when a person says, you know, it's not funny, but Ravelle said, uh, that man is old, he's dying. Yeah, I said, so because people are old, they get to go out and wreak havoc on other and treat people any kind of way. All I've dealt with since I've been— you know, since I was younger is older guys, older men. And that's not how you treat a lady. I mean, the thing is, you don't treat anyone like that. Because the whole thing is, I don't really want to get into, you know, this or that. Because how I think about myself and how I view myself, I'm going to think that. And I'm going to view myself that way. And I could care less what other people say. Say. You know what I mean? And so after a conversation that we had, and going back to what I tell you, when Ravelle said that, oh, people are dying left and right in his family and all this type of stuff, I said, so why do you think— why would he think, why would Virgil think that who are you to inflict that pain on someone else? I'm somebody's sister, just like your sister's in the hospital dying. You can't think straight. I'm somebody's mother. I'm somebody's daughter. So you think that was the thing to do for you to even think something like that? Because the whole thing of it is, and I can tell you like this, in the pimp game, because Virgil likes to go around on the Shark Tank and all these different, you know, interviews and, uh, the Soft White Underbelly or something like that and tell telling these people, oh, this gives the game a black eye. No, you gave the game a black eye. Because what gives the game a black eye is that everybody knows in that lifestyle, the game is by choice. It's never by force. And when you step into the realm of forcing, coercing, manipulating, threatening someone into doing what you want them to do, it's no longer just, oh, I got a girl working for me like that. No, it's, it's sex trafficking. It's human trafficking because you are forcing someone to do something against their will, and you know it's against their will. You're aware it's against their will. Why? Because you have to threaten them to do it.

And see, that would— you already answered the question I was gonna ask, like, because I was just like, but you're willing to sell your body. Like, you're willing to do this, but I was—

you was— I was— when I initially went out to him, I was— I knew who he was once we talked on the phone, conversate. I looked at his Facebook, different things like that.

So when you changed your mind and said, I don't want to work under these terms, now you're starting to coerce me, to manipulate me.

Well, the whole thing is force me, right? But, and, but, you know, and that's kind of the unspoken thing, because when I tell you, oh, this isn't going to work I'm ready to go. That's where it should have stopped. That's where it should have ended. When you said, take me to the airport, that's where it should have ended, and it didn't.

So it's legal to do what you're doing, to sell your body?

It's not legal to have sex for money. That's a crime. Okay. It's also illegal to travel across state lines to do anything. So when I was with Ron Ron sent for me to go from Texas to St. Louis to be with him. That's fucked up. From there, he was on the move, on the go a lot too. So we didn't just stay in St. Louis. We went all over. We went to Tennessee. We went to Atlanta, which is, of course, when I went to meet with Benzino. We went to Miami. Miami, a town outside of Miami. We went to just different places around Chicago. We moved around a lot, and we maybe would go back to St. Louis for about 3, 4 days at a time.

And so Ron is not implicated in this at all?

Not in the state of California, no. But? But in St. Louis, yes. But that was when I told them where I was at the time, which was in California. I just think that was something that they just kind of— Now, the guy did tell me on the phone, because I called his job and everything, but the guy did tell me on the phone, he said, well, we don't want a person person like this in our community, because he actually lives in a very nice community. It's, uh, uh, like St. Charles, which is one of the most upscale neighborhoods in that area. Okay. I believe. And, um, that's what he says. He said, I'll have somebody call you back, blah blah. I've never heard nothing about it, you know.

So out of all these indictments you're bringing, you're not— you're not in trouble? No. No.

And when I— Oh, bitch, I like you. Yeah, when I spoke to the detective, yeah, when I spoke to the detective, he said it outright. He said, I just want you to know to be open and honest with me, you know, let me know the story, let me know what happened, you know. And I'm telling you right now, you're not immunity. Yes. And I'm glad you brought that up because I am in a safe house location. Okay. So that's why I can't, you know, divulge information. And we want— we will never— but yeah, I'm in a safe house while all of this is going on. Okay.

Do they know you're doing an interview? The detectives?

Yes. So I called and spoke with him, um, and I asked him if it would be okay, um, I asked him if that would, you know, interfere, you know, the— and then he said no. No, because they bought them with a barrel of niggas. Yeah, he said no. Wow. It wouldn't stop nothing. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, but I did make sure to get that clearance because I was gonna say, girl, what the fuck?

Like, how did you do it? Like, I'm inspired by you. I don't get inspired too much, but, um, I'm, I'm incredibly inspired by by your ability to play chess and win. It's like you sitting here is like checkmate. So Pippin Ken takes his ass on a breakfast club. It's interesting because I just had a conversation about this the other day. The Breakfast Club, just hilarious. She's supposed to be enjoying a baby and she literally posts Tasha K because we posted another girl who did porn who alleged alleged that we did our interview, um, that she was trafficked by Diddy. She sued Diddy, she sued Jacob the Jeweler, and the interview went viral. So The Breakfast Club says to me, I have a great platform, a loyal following. Sure, I could get better caliber guests than, I guess, somebody that's selling their body.

That's what they said to you?

That's what they said to me. However, they have pimp sitting on their platform, Pimp and Ken, bragging about underage Black girls and Black women, right, that they allegedly traffic. But that is a better caliber guessing. You're here to say everything that he said, yeah, partly is true, but they ain't doing it like how they, they claiming they doing it.

That's right. That's That's right. Bitch. That's right. And so a lot of the time— and another thing is, Latasha, when it comes to women and girls and things like that, I just want them to be aware because let's not act like the sex trade is not big business. We know it's big business. It's been big business for a very long time. The only difference is is that a lot of it has moved to the internet, and not so much so just out in the open on the street. Now, if you go to places like New York, even in California, they do have— and then in Texas a while back, it was called Harry Hines. A lot of people know about that. But on the Stroll, you know, or the Blade, you know, not everybody moves like that, you know, anymore. But it seems like Bishop Don Juan, Pimpin' Ken, and Grandmaster Virgil, they move like that. And my whole thing is like this: if you guys are at the status that you say you're at, let's be real, I don't care who she is, any woman going to have sex on the blade is not— that would be like crumbs to to you at the status you're at. Just like I said, just like you said, did you just send him that? I mean, what's $70 to someone quote-unquote like you?

Yeah, you're supposed to be at escort level.

What is that? But the thing about it is, um, and, and the attorney that I'm working with, um, you know, uh, you know, Virgil has a $5 million, uh, net net worth, you know. But it's still— I'm just like, make it make sense. So is it really the money for you guys, or is it the thought of degrading a woman?

If he has a $5 million net worth and they are doing a slew of interviews, why— my thing is they're charging for these podcasts. You know that, right? Like, when So there's this other world where they pay people like Pimp 'N' Ken and, you know, Don Juan and, you know, Virgil to sit on their podcasts and tell these stories. Like, Sapphire Underbelly pays his guests. Oh, yeah. So they're making money off of exposing this lifestyle that's so taboo.

See, I never knew that. Yes, I never knew that.

Yeah, yeah. So The Breakfast Club may not have brought— like, I don't think they paid him because The Breakfast Club doesn't pay their guests, but they, they will fly them in and stuff like that, put them in hotels. But that is just more exposure so that they can go and charge other small podcasters money to bring them on. So they are making money now off of these stories regurgitating.

I'm sure they've been doing that for the longest. You know what I mean? That's what they do. And the whole thing is, is get it how you get it. If that's what you do, I'm not here to judge. Just like, you know, I wouldn't want people to judge me specifically, even though they do and they don't. I could care less. But I'm not here to judge them. What I'm saying is you're lying to people, and you have people believing This is not what you do. This is not who you are. You're not this monster of a person, you know? But you are. And that's the whole thing. But what I told you in the very beginning of the interview when I mentioned the lady named Kat that knows Mickey— yes, coming full circle with Ravel Romaine, which Ravel, you know, he also did an interview with the Underbelly. Yeah, you can find him on there. But he makes a call to me. And he says, remember I told you the name Honey came from when I was working under Mickey, right? He called me on the phone. He said, hey, Honey, And I was like, what? He's like, I mean, I can find out about you. It's not that hard. And I'm like, what? Because you have to remember, he's in, in Dallas County. And just to let you know, he's being held without bond only because he caught a, um, sex offender case when, you know, back in the day when I think he was in his 20s or something, younger girl and older. And we're talking about Mickey?

Yeah. Okay, so him trafficking you when you were underage is just—

he gone. That is his main charge, which that bond is set for $100,000 surety. He's being held on his second charge of the failing to follow his registered sex offender, uh, um, regulations. He's being held on that without bond. So even if he somehow came up with the money to pay the $100,000 surety, he still would be, you know, held without violation of his— right. So he's not going to get out until he either pleads or takes it to trial. But either way, he's going to be in there to see the whole thing through. And the thing about Ravelle full circle again, when he called me and he calls me honey, I said, there's no way you could have known that. You're all the way out of Chicago. But that's why I also kind of said that the sex trade, the sex industry, and the sex trafficking is very almost cult-like in the sense that, you know, people know certain people, you know what I mean? I mean. And so anyway, though, um, there's no way he could have known that I went by that name. So he has a Vietnamese— uh, Romaine says, hold on, and he clicks in this Vietnamese or Chinese lady on the phone. And I can tell it was authentic because of the accent. It wasn't like a, you know, fake made-up play person. And she, she told me, she said, oh yeah, you honey, you honey, you know. I'm like, who the fuck is this? So whatever he's doing. And then I found out that Kat, who's up in St. Louis, is still out and about. So I said, there's no way you could have heard it from him. Maybe, maybe not. But you heard it from somebody. And you want his ass too.

Ravelle? Yeah.

I mean, he did it to himself. When you— I mean, you know what I mean? It's not even— I'm sorry, it's not even so much about me wanting these people. They're doing it to themselves. Oh shit, they just need to leave you alone.

Yeah.

Yes, thank you for that.

Thank you. Yeah, leave this lady alone. Let her sell her pussy in peace. Look, damn.

Yeah, it—

yeah, yeah. So, so, um, exclusive, everything is out. Yeah. So next steps is you're just basically waiting to either go to trial or for them to plead out. But in the meantime, you know, you're kept safe and, um, yeah, yeah, you're living your life. Are you, are you able to see your kids? Yes. That's good. And you and baby daddy are on good terms?

Yes. Okay. As good as it's gonna get.

Okay. And how are you supporting yourself?

So, well, they take care of my needs.

So you got the federal government taking care of you right now? Sure.

Thank you. I love my job.

I love my job. Anything else you want to add?

No, just that, you know, you You know, when other things happen and things like that, we're going to be talking about the Love Hip Hop cast members that were aware, absolutely, of what was going on. They were around it. They supported it. And they condoned it. Did I have a sexual interaction with them? No. But did they know what time it was and what was happening? Yes, they did. Uh-huh. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Honey, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. I'm drunk. Yeah. And you treat your guests very well. I try.

I appreciate it. I try so hard.

We had a great time.

Gosh, Jesus, you have to give up business class. Thank you. You have to. You have to. You have to. Okay. So, where can people— do you want people to find you and follow you, or? They do. Tell them.

Empress Sierra Lawson. E-M-P-R-E-S-S apostrophe S-I-E-R-R-A Lawson. L-A-W-S-O-N. I am on Facebook, so you can find me on Facebook. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. I've never been lost for words, but I think you have— I think this is probably the number one interview that we've done this this year. Wow. Yeah, Sierra, it's, it's like that. It's like that. So cheers to you, cheers to that, all your endeavors. Okay, and look at that camera and say, now you got to go for now. Bye-bye. Goddamn. Boom! Wow, I had No. Wow. Shit, I want to talk to you every day, but I got work. Shit. Wow, that was explosive. Mhm. Thank you.