Don't Be a Yield Snob—How Low Should Your Profit Go?

Hey, it's Mark Podolski, the land geek with your favorite niche real estate website, www.thelandgeek.com. today's roundtable is very small and intimate. We've got Dude Buddy, the nightcap OG Scott Bossman. Scott, how are you?

I'm great, Mark. I'm trying to stay warm.

Yeah, yeah, it's 80 here, but what's it, 17, Wisconsin.

17. Yeah, it's a little unseasonably cold right now.

Yeah, I feel for you. I feel for you. We've got. I love it when you call me big Papa Tate Litchfield on the mend. Tate, how are you doing?

Well, nice weather here in Vegas. Wearing shorts today and a short sleeve T shirt. So, Scott, get on a flight. Come on baby, let's go to Vegas.

That's right.

Yeah.

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It seems silly that we even talk about this, but I get this all the time. And that is sometimes, like you may have been sitting on a property for a while or maybe it's your first property and you have the opportunity to sell it, maybe wholesale or sell it to somebody and your profit might be like $300. Or maybe it's a property that you bought for 300 and that you can sell it for 600. But is the dollar amount too small to do the deal right? Like is the dollar amount bad? If you're only going to make, let's say $300 on the deal? Is that a train wreck? So I'd like to pose the question to the group. Should we even avoid deals that we're going to only make a couple hundred dollars on?

Scott, I got a follow up question to add to that. What's the lowest amount of money you've made or the least amount of money you've made on a deal as well? Okay.

All right, we'll add that to the, to the question.

All right, well, Tate, let's just start with you then, since you're jumping in.

All right. All right.

So.

The least amount of profit I've made on a deal was, I think it was about $150. I bought a property, it was on a Monday, and I flipped it on like a Wednesday. It wasn't great money, but, you know, it paid for my mailings, it allowed me to go back and buy more of them, and I sold to a trusted colleague who ended up buying more and more properties from me. So it was a good deal. So I guess to answer Scott's question, no, I don't see any problem with it. And it's something that I think a lot of people get hung up on. They buy a property, they know it's worth maybe $2,000, and they just can't bear the thought of selling it for 100% profit. And it's silly because I'm in the business of selling land and making money. And if I can buy something and flip it and make 100% on my money or make a couple hundred dollars, I'm going to do it all day long because it makes sense. I keep the money moving. This business is about velocity, and the person who can sell the most properties the quickest is going to win. That's my opinion.

Yeah, money loves speed, for sure.

But 150 bucks, Tate, that can't be worth your time, right? Like, no, that's probably my time.

It probably wasn't worth my time. But what they're, they're not realizing is it wasn't the only property that I sold, right. And I forged a relationship with this other guy who ended up selling that property for close to retail. And he came back to me and said, if you have any more of those, I'd be interested in picking up some additional lots. So I did some mailing, ended up buying 10 more of them and flipped them to them again, made my $150 on each lot and turned 100 and, you know, made basically $1,500 profit. Now that one was worth my time. That was worth the energy that I put into it. But on the smaller deal, I was able to roll that money back into the business, buy some more property, reinvest it, and it wasn't huge profit. I don't do them every day at that price point. But the way I view it is I made money that day, and I made money by flipping property very, very quickly and easily. So there's no sweat. Why wouldn't I do it?

Yeah, I mean, Scott, would you do it? Which Scott Todd, Would I do it? Yeah, if you're Tate, or would you have held on for dear life?

I wouldn't have held on for dear life, that's for sure.

Everything Scott has is for sale. I know this. I've called him before, and it's like he's in the business of selling land, too. I've made some ridiculous offers on his property, and I know he's not making a ton of money on him, but he always is willing to work with me, so. So I think I know his answer.

How about you, Scott Bossman? What are your thoughts on this? Is it worth it? Only make a couple hundred bucks.

All right, I'll go with Tate's question first. So the least amount of money I made on a deal was probably 100, 150 bucks. Like you, Tate, I bought a property early on. It was in a subdivision that I had bought and sold other property successfully. And it just so happened that one street over the road was impassable, and I purchased basically a slab of rock. So I didn't do the best I didn't have. I didn't get boots on the ground. Right. These subdivisions we work in, they're so cookie cutter that, you know, every once in a while the street over, maybe things will be a little bit different. Well, it ended up being a little bit different. It was very difficult to get to the property. So after sitting on it for quite a while and getting frustrated, I kind of. I packaged it with another deal about three miles away and basically said, buy this lot, get this one free, and just kind of packaged it in the deal and came out ahead maybe 100, 150 bucks, something like that. But so there are creative ways to, you know, if you're sitting on a property that you're having a hard time getting rid of, There are some creative things that you can do with marketing. You know, throw it in a package deal, move it that way, finance it for 50 bucks a month. Over time, you'll make some money. But I agree with you. I think money loves speed. It's all about velocity in this business. And if you buy a property and you're having a hard time moving it, and you're getting burnt out on the thing, and it just, like, you cringe every time you see it, why not sell it for a couple hundred bucks and move on and just redeploy that money in your business? Sometimes that's the best thing to do is wash your hands of it and move forward.

Yeah, really good point. Really good point, Scott. Todd, how about you?

Well, probably the lowest dollar amount I've made on a property is I probably made about $200 profit on a property. And on that particular one, what happened was I bought it in an area that I thought would sell well. And eventually that area did start to sell well. But I got a little panicky, and I decided to take it to ebay. And I saw other people selling these properties for, like, let's say, $4,000 on eBay. And I was into it for 200. I'm sorry, 2,000. I was into it for 2,000. I thought, well, that wouldn't be too bad. So I put a minimum up there of $2,000, which would cover my cost plus, plus another hundred for the ebay fees, whatever. And the property actually sold for 2,300. But then I also charged a DOC fee of 495. So technically, I made a little bit more than that, Even though I didn't count the doc fee into the profit. So I probably made about $200 on the property. So, I mean, it wasn't a terrible deal, but it's not necessarily one that we like to, like, really talk about. But I agree that, you see, a lot of times what happens is people make decisions about properties or whether they should sell or not, Especially when it comes to, like, wholesale on a property, because they're like, it's only $200. Well, $200 is not about the $200. Okay? The $200. Look, I hear you. It may not be something that moves the needle, but, man, if you could do $200 a week of just profit on a deal, well, that's 800amonth. What does 800amonth do for somebody's lifestyle? Right? You see, we always think about, like, passive income. Oh, I got my passive income to whatever. Well, if you can sell a property every week with consistency and make 200 bucks of profit, well, you could use that to pay expenses. You could use that to pay your mailing cost, your cost of your, you know, running your business, your overhead. And in fact, there's an area that I work in that we routinely sell. You know, we call them singles. We routinely sell these singles. And you know, we, we, we probably make about when, when everything is said and done with profit is probably about 350 bucks. And we sell about two of them a week. Okay. So that's 700 a week, you know, $2,800 a month. That look, that's a lot of money. Okay. Like, it adds up. So if you can find these things, don't be ashamed to sell sometimes the lower end properties. But, you know, like I was looking at a land business website the other day and they love to show their success stories and they were showing a. I made $20,000 on this property, and I made $18,000 on this property. Well, those things happen, but in my experience, they don't happen with enough frequency in this business that you're going to profit out at a $20,000 cash sale right off the bat and they're showing the checks. That's like getting lightning to strike. Okay. Like in my experience. So, you know, I think you have to kind of be careful with sometimes your expectations. Think, think about what the money can do if it adds up or if it's repeatable over time. Because, Mark, if you can sell two properties a week and you're making 350 a property and generating 700 a week, and you can do it consistently even though it's not passive income. I would beg to differ. That it is passive income. Right. It's passive profit because, you know, you can do it every single week.

Yeah. Especially if you're using like LG Pass or Geek Pay. You've got VAs, you've got systems. There's nothing wrong with a system of a $200 profit a day or a week. Because that's really not that passive. I mean, if you look at your effective hourly rate, and it took you 15 minutes of time to close that deal, talking with the person, you know, LG pass paperwork takes what, a minute, 30 seconds?

Fast as you can refresh it.

Yeah.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I love, I love. You know, sometimes, you know, you talk to somebody like, oh, you know, it's only $200 or $300. It's not really worth it. Well, let's reverse it and let's say that you had to invest $100,000 to make $10,000. Well, you'd be like, oh, $10,000 is way better than $300. But if I could invest $300 to make $300, my risk is so much lower, I'm staying in the game literally forever. I'll never get knocked out of that game where. How many times, how many hundred thousand dollars deals can someone realistically do? So, to Scott's point, yeah. If you flip the piece of property, you made a $20,000 profit. I don't care about your profit. I want to know what was your return? Because if you invested $200,000 and you got back 220,000, well, I'm not that impressed on that.

And what's the time? How long did it take you to do that, too?

And the time. So it's not telling the whole story. Now, if you invested $100,000 and you made $200. Yeah, not great. Not a great deal at all. But if you're buying it for 200 and you're flipping it for 400, 600. Okay. And you continually do that and you've got the velocity, I don't see anything wrong with it. Personally. Mark.

I was going to say that, like, the other thing, too, is that sometimes the worst return that you can get, in my experience, the worst returns I'll get are. Are on the larger properties. Right. You know, like, you buy a property for. Like we bought a property for. We bought 330 acres in northern Nevada. Sounds. Sounds like a dream, right? You know, we paid $30,000. It's a bargain. I loved it. Okay. But to find a buyer for that thing, okay, that. That buyer is not our typical buyer. Like, that buyer is not the same type of buyer. And it took us, I don't know, we just sold it. I think we bought it. I think we bought it about a year and a half ago. We just. Okay, about. I guess about eight months ago. And we just sold it. And look, we sold it for $88,000, and the guy's gonna pay it off in 12 months. So that's not a bad deal. But when you look at the time to sell on these bigger properties, it's not as good as the, you know, like, the smaller properties, that will sell faster, in my opinion. I'd rather get the cash flow going immediately.

No, absolutely. It's all about cash flow. And in moving that money, nobody wants that money sitting. And I think if you're looking at this and like, oh, you know, if I can only make $200 on a deal, and you're missing the really, the big picture. You know what a billion dollar company is, the dollar store. They're buying this stuff for 20, 30 cents, and they sell it for a dollar. They're just doing big volume now. Think about their overhead. They've got to buy the land. They've got to build the building. They've got to have employees, and they've got to be buying constantly to stock those shelves. How many of those things they need to sell for a buck, but they're doing it. Is that a bad business? Would someone look at it like I only made 70 cents?

Hey, Mark, over the weekend, I was. I was home not feeling well. I was crashing on the couch. Start YouTubing stuff. I don't know how I got into this. This thing, but it just pops up. And it's like, this guy is going to. This guy and his wife. They go. And they're playing the retail arbitrage game, right? So, like, his specialty was shoes. So he's showing like, okay, I'm gonna go. He maps out a day of going to Ross locations, the Ross store locations, and he's looking for shoes that he can flip and sell on ebay. So he's going out there and he's finding these shoes, and he's showing you, like, okay, let's punch in this code into the ebay app. Let's see what the sales of the shoes are. Okay, well, this pair of Shoes is $17, and it's selling on eBay for $40. $20. I'm in. Okay. So he's buying these shoes where he's gonna make $20 on it, right? And it was kind of addicting to watch because, you know, like, he's, like, shot. It's almost like a trigger hunt.

Okay.

Like, he's going hunting for shoes. At the end of the day, he put in, like, 10 hours of driving around to all these raw stores. 10 hours. I think he bought, like. I think he bought, like, 30 pairs of shoes. I think he spent, like, $500 on shoes, something like that. And he was estimating that he was going to sell them and make about five or six hundred dollars on the shoes. Okay, so think of it. Like, I think about this, and I'm like, man, this guy is driving around town for 10 hours to go make $500. Well, man, I could easily buy a piece of property and sell that thing. Even if I wholesale it and make $500, you can pay for whatever you want without having to go driving around to every Marshalls or Ross that there is, looking for pair of shoes that you may get stuck with.

Yeah, absolutely. And the nice thing about this is these are kind of anomaly deals. It's not that this happens every day. We only make two or three hundred dollars. You throw in the recording fee, you know, we'll pick on Eric peterson of only 250. Now you're making, you know, 455, 50 on a deal and use that capital and make your 300 to 1000% on the next one. Just keep that money moving. Tate, what are you going to say?

Well, I was also going to say, we got to remind people that this isn't the only piece of property that you're selling either. This is one of a dozen. So, yeah, you might sell it for $200 profit. Okay, good job. Not a bad day of work. But at the same point, you might have six other properties out there that you're marketing, that you're getting leads on that are going to generate you $1,500 in passive income. So if you can free up some cash and then redeploy it to get properties that are more in demand, you should do it. Absolutely. And one of the things Scott talked about that rings true to me is that mental fatigue.

Right.

We all have a list that we look at to see what of our property is still for sale. And every single person has one lot on there that it just makes you cringe every time you look at it or it defaults. You're like, no, it's back. I hate this property. And sometimes I look at it and I think, if I could just get rid of this and break even on it and not ever have to look at that APN again, I would be happy. It would be worth it to me. So there's value there. I mean, maybe it's. It's certainly more than $200 if it gets to that point. So it's not that this is just the only way you can sell land. Hopefully you've got a lot for sale and you bought a dud or something that somebody values significantly lower than you do. Okay, sell it, move on. Learn from it. Take that data and roll it into something better.

Yeah, absolutely. Scott Boston, final thoughts?

No, I just think. I think so many of us, you know, we hear the. We hear the rock star stories, and we're maybe afraid to get an F on the land geek report card. That's not the case. Right. As long as you're. As long as you're moving forward and you're able to make a couple hundred bucks on a deal, the bottom line is you're moving forward and, you know, you might only make a couple hundred bucks on the deal, but there are a lot of people, myself included, who had A job that, you know, it took me four or five hours of painstaking work to make $200. Now, if you're at home and you're spending in total an hour or two on this deal and you're making a couple hundred dollars, you're still coming out ahead for a lot of us when we're first starting out. So I would say don't be afraid to move it, especially if you're feeling that fatigue. And with every sale, especially when you're a beginner, it. It motivates you to do the next sale. So you prove to yourself that, hey, I never thought I'd be able to get rid of that property. Look, I got rid of that Property, I made 200 bucks, and now I'm going to do it again. So proof of concept helps, too.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's people out there literally risking their lives. Mike Zaino going into a fiery building. And look, it's noble, it's wonderful that someone. We need someone to do it. But at some point, you let those young guys do it, right? And, you know, you go into something like this that you shuffle paper and you make money. The worst thing that's going to happen, you get a paper cut. And that's if you're not using a simple file county. If you're using a simple file county, there's literally no pain. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, think about, you know, what was that, that show Derby Jobs?

Oh, I love that show.

Yeah. I mean, this is like the easiest thing ever in low risk. And no one's getting hurt doing it either. Either way.

I gotta tell you, man, like, it's. It's crazy when you see what people are out there doing for money. I mean, I got like a crash course on what people are doing for money over the weekend just from YouTube. And I'm looking at, like, man, it seems cool. So many things seem cool, but I'm like, they're not. It's not worth it to me, you know? Like, I'm watching one guy, he's. He bought a. He bought a. A coin Laundromat. So he's like showing. And this is very addicting, by the way. He's videotaping that. He goes into the laundromat and collects all the money. So if you can imagine, he's opening up, he's going to each machine and dumping the coins in this big thing. And it's like, that looks like the coolest thing ever. It's like watching, like, Vegas slots, like, dumping out all this cash. And he goes and he collects it, and he's like, okay, well, my week's take is like $500, $600. And I'm like, hold on, man. That doesn't sound like it's worth it. You got to drive there. You got to deal with all the maintenance of the laundry equipment. You got a probably going to get mugged after you're showing everybody how much money you make on YouTube. It's just a matter of time, you know, that they're staking you out. And then he shows for one month. He shows like, the P and L. And, you know, the P and L on this thing is like a train wreck, you know, it's like the profit on the whole thing is like, I think his profit, after all expenses and everything, it's only like 800 bucks for the month. He's got to deal with customer service. He's like, ah, I got to send them checks when the machine takes their money. I'm like, that sounds like a miserable mess. Even though it's fun to watch him collect the cash. So I think it really all just depends on what you're trying to do. But, man, there's a lot of easy ways to make cash. And like I said, if I can sell a property with routine for a couple hundred bucks a week and do it regularly, it's like money to pay your mortgage.

Absolutely. Tate, final words, final thoughts.

Nah. Don't be a yield snob. Don't be a prophet.

Don't be a yield snob. I think we've got a title for.

Our podcast, Be make the Money Be Happy. Realize that if you're making a profit, you're on the right track. The unicorn deals are out there, but the only way you're going to find them is if you're constantly doing the basic things right. Stick to the bread and butter deals. I know I speak for Mark, but I'm pretty sure Scott and Scott will agree with me. The bread and butter deals are almost more exciting than the big ones, right? Because you just know, like, oh, $150 a month. I love getting paid $150 at a time. Doesn't sound like much to many people, but for me, I've built a lifestyle around $150 a month payments. And I wouldn't trade it for any. Any other thing out there because this is safe. It's safe. What I do is safe. It's consistent, it's predictable. And if you follow the land Geek method, that's what we teach you, right? We teach you how to build a business that is steady, consistent, without surprises.

Yeah, I mean, the longer you do this, the better things go. I mean, you know, we. We know a guy in his 70s has been doing this. He's like a. He's like the OG in land. This guy's got what, 4,000 notes?

Yeah, told me the other day. Yes, 4,000 notes. And this guy's running like he's running a big business. Right? And the potential in this business is incredible. And by the way, he's in one county.

In one county. And his notes aren't that big.

They're not, man. I think. I don't know the exact average, but it's not huge notes. Okay? They're not huge notes.

Right. So the moral of the story is we're playing the long term game here. This is not get wealthy fast. This is get wealthy slow. And again, if you're like Roberto Chavez, it's not even that slow. What was it, 13 months? He was at 15,000amonth in passive. Just depends. I mean, who cares how long it takes once your passive income exceeds your fixed expenses, does it matter?

Here's the thing. If you can add, say, $500 a month in passive income, I mean, that is amazing, right? At the end of the year, you've got a passive income of six grand. Two years into this. 12, three, four. I mean, if it took you four years to replace your day job and then have total freedom, isn't it worth it?

I don't know.

I mean, it's just. It's a silly question to ask because of course it's worth it. So you don't have to, you know, quit your job in six months in order to be successful here. Take it slow. Like you said, it's a get rich slow program. And if you just stick to the basics, it can happen.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So that leads us to our tip of the week website. A resource, a book, something actionable for the audit of passive income listeners to go improve their businesses, improve their lives. Oh, what is it, Eric? Mimi, our tip of the week people aren't even on the call. So we're going to ask you, dear listener, to go to the Land Geek official wealth creation and motivation page on Facebook. Leave a comment saying, we want Mimi and her tips back or Eric in the tip of the week back. We'll take jot not pro from Eric at this point. Whatever you want to leave as a comment, please do. We got to motivate them to come back on the roundtable. Just the tips of the week, the tow. So please do that.

That is probably the best tip of the week ever, Mark.

It really is. We've got to, you know, get the community rallied around the fact that the four of us are not. We've just spoiled. We're spoiled now. We're not going to research the way those two do for the tip of the week.

We're waving the white flag.

Tag them. Tag them. Tag them in your comment. Tag them, because that will that, like, they'll be. They'll, like, be crying for mercy. Please stop tagging me.

Yeah, please do it. Also, give us three little favors. If you're getting value from these podcasts, you got to subscribe, you got to rate. Review the podcast. Send us a screenshot of that review to supportlandgeek.com we're going to send you for free the $97 passive income launch kit as well as the cherry on top, the new wholetailing course, how to double your money 30 days or less. So please do that. Scott Bossman, any announcements?

No, we got. Well, we got something exciting coming up. On the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving, Zaino and I are holding our second annual Land Geek Lounge event. So last last year was kind of cool. We sat in a room for like three hours, sat in a Zoom room and had 30 or 40 people come in and ask questions about land investing. And we didn't know we'd have that many people the night before Thanksgiving, but we had a lot of people interested. So it was our chance to reach out to people and just educate them about the business. And it was a lot of fun. So the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving, my mouse isn't working. I'd show you what the date is, but I can't get.

27.

27.

So that's from 7:00pm Eastern to 10:00pm Eastern.

All right, mark your calendars. And it's not like nightcap where you have to have a cocktail. It's nice if you want to have a cocktail, but it's not mandatory, right?

Correct. It's not mandatory.

All right, when's the next nightcap?

Next nightcap is. Well, we've moved to every Wednesday night at 10pm Eastern. So tomorrow night the 13th will be on and then the 20th. I think Mike's working, so we'll be off here for. For a week or so.

All right. Check the Facebook group for those announcements. Thanks, everybody. One, two, three. You know, that's pretty good. It's not bad. We of us, can't. Can't complain.

I think we could be a little bit more Coordinated with just four of us.

Maybe we should. Maybe we should record this thing, like when we're all together and then we just pick up.

Yeah, that'd be a good idea.

And then now we're getting geeky. Perfect.

But we won't tell anybody we did that.

No, we won't say a word.

We'll put ourselves on mute. We can still lip sync it for the video. It'll be perfect. No one will ever know.

Like it?

I really. I really like it. For sure. It's a good idea.

Have you gone to Cheesecake Factory or Panera Bread this week?

No, you know, I did. I did have some cheesecake delivered to the house via Uber Eats from Cheesecake Factory. So, yes, I guess I, you know, I don't have this beef with cheesecake. It's just so loud in there that I don't like eating there. Their food's actually pretty good. No problem. And their cheesecake, I mean, that's. Talk about getting a home run with the missus. Hey, what's at the door? Oh, it's your favorite cheesecake. Who would have sent that over? Yours truly.

What if she would have said, like, Mark?

Well, Mark sent stuff to my room before. I don't think that we can't discuss that on this podcast before.

When Karate ninja chop the employee at the hotel.

Yeah.

Mark learned a very valuable lesson that night, that sending really nice brownie desserts to people's hotel rooms at 11:30 at night isn't always well received. Didn't you, Mark?

I really did. I haven't done it since, so I've learned my lesson for sure.

Seriously, the greatest story ever. We got to share that at boot camp sometime.

Yeah, I think I'm going to do something more creative. But, you know, sugaring people up is sort of one of my favorite things to do.

Yeah, it's your specialty, for sure. You're really good at it.

Although I have been trying to cut back on sugar the past two, three weeks, and I feel pretty good.

That's going to be hard coming up on the holidays.

Well, that's why I'm doing it. So I can just. Guilt free, literally, just try, you know, death by, you know, pumpkin pie, something like that.

Didn't let it go.

There's worse ways to go, for sure. So, you know, my question is, though, speaking of Thanksgiving, of the food, which is your favorite? Is it the turkey, the potatoes, the stuffing? Then you got the cranberry thing going on, and then you got the desserts. Like, if you had to choose just one of Those. The sweet potatoes with, like, the marshmallow stuff on top of.

We make twice baked sweet potatoes. They're amazing.

That's decadence.

Sounds good. I'm gonna say turkey.

The turkey.

Yeah. We deep fry a turkey so it comes out so delicious and moist. It is. And it takes so long. And you're just out there in the sun. Right. It's like 75 degrees outside, and you're just basking in the aroma of. Of deep fried turkey smoke. It's amazing. So, yeah, turkey for me, Scott.

Not so much the turkey, more of like the mashed potatoes or the, like the sides. You know, mashed potatoes, like the green beans, sweet potatoes. Anything that has like, anything that's bad for you, like high carb, probably. That's my go to. And then nothing like jumping right into the desserts.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I really try to be surgical about it as far as the energy. So not too much turkey because it's going to make me tired and I really want to save all that energy to get that. And then. And then crash. From the sugar.

Yeah.

Not the turkey.

The other problem. It's not really a problem, but the other issue I have is, like, you know, we'll have like, Thanksgiving lunch, and I will tend to eat a lot at the lunch. I mean, you know, that's what you do.

Right.

But then for some reason, my wife doesn't, like, eat a lot, so, you know, like, there'll be food all around and we'll get home and she'll be like, I'm really starving. I'm like, I'm about to puke. I'm so full. How are you starving? And she's like, well, I didn't really eat too much because I was talking all day, and I'm like, let's talk more food, man. So then she's like, what are we going to eat? I'm like, I can't even think about eating. Seriously, I'm going to die right now. It's kind of like this thing I got this year. I got to do a better job of preparing for a second meal later on.

Yeah, yeah. By the way, is it poor Thanksgiving etiquette not to completely stuff yourself? Like, if you're not kind of like unbuttoning your pants at some point in the night? Like, it's just. Is that just sort of a Thanksgiving foul?

It might be un American.

Is it un American?

Yeah, it might be un American.

Yeah.

You should eat till it hurts.

That's like tradition, right?

Yeah, I think that's just kind of standard protocol, right?

Yeah. Because if you're. If you're the cook and you're hosting it and everyone's sort of not eating their fair share, do you feel offended? I don't know. It's a dangerous holiday.

It's a dangerous holiday.

It's a philosophical question, isn't it? How much is enough?

I get a little upset when I make a meal and, like, people don't eat it. So if I was making a huge feast for Thanksgiving and people didn't eat it, I think it'd be. My feelings would be hurt a little bit.

Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's being polite, right? Yeah.

Not cool, man.

Not cool. All right, so we're all agreed. All right. Well, speaking of, I'm gonna go eat some lunch. Leftover turkey chili. Very excited about it.

Nice.

High protein.

Yeah, that's nice.

All right. See you guys.

All right. See you guys.

See ya.