He Was Preparing to Lose His Bladder. Then Something Changed.

It is incredible because I experienced the results. I mean, I shared earlier how I struggled to go up the stairs, my, the skin tone. Once I started these therapies, I was reinvigorated. I had like this youthful vigor now. And it was like, I went from waking up prior to it, I'd wake up in the morning and it's like a giant picked me up and threw, would throw me against a brick wall. And I was like, really in really discomfort. And I experienced like, wow, this is what it feels like to age. I'm only 63. And I was feeling like really old and struggling going up the stairs. But then once I had this IV ozone therapy and some of these other therapies and peptides.

We only had what, 30, 40 treatments for you?

A few. But I got, I got real results.

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Hey, everybody.

My name is Mike McNeil, and I want to welcome you to the Peptide and Bioregulator Summit. And today we have an incredible treat for you. We have joining us, we have Jean-Philippe Raymond, an incredible patient here at Holtorf Medical Group, and And we have the amazing clinician himself, Dr. Kent Holtorf.

Hello.

And today we are going to talk into John's testimony of being a patient, receiving remarkable care, and the journey along the way. I believe that out of everything we record for this summit, this is one of the most important interviews that you need to tune into. This is something that has changed my life as I've got to know John through his journey, and it's changed our life as the way that we practice really functional medicine. What does it mean to be that type of practitioner and what kind of success can you really see? And you're a living success, John. So why don't we kick it off by your story, John, and how did you, you know, get diagnosed with your cancer? How did you come to find Dr. Holtorf? Kind of walk us through what you went through.

Thank you so much, Michael.

You're welcome.

For that introduction. Yeah. So I think it all, I, I should start with last year. I was diagnosed with bladder cancer now. What, what led to this was earlier in the year, I had a severe case of kidney stones. Now I didn't have to have surgery for that, but I did recover from that. It was pretty traumatic to go through that, to be honest with you. I mean, I had hematuria, pain. It was really discomforting, but I believe I was being prepared for something, something that was to come, unfortunately, but it would be a blessing also. And after about 6 months, I had a routine CT scan. It's, it, they call it a kidney protocol. And they, when they got the results, they, they found a mass, a 1-inch mass, a tumor in my bladder. Now I had no idea, and if it had not been for that kidney stone situation, I may have even died from this because come to find out it was a, an aggressive cancer.

Mm-hmm.

And very likely invasive as well. And so did they do a scan when you had the kidney stones? No, this was after, this was the 6 weeks after. Okay.

So it was probably there before. Correct. Yeah.

Yes. So now I do wanna say that I would have, what led up to that, I didn't even know that I had it. But I did experience symptoms, like when I would sit down for a long duration of time, I had pain. It's like something was not right there. Right. So, but that was, you know, that's what I realized later, but I had to have surgery. I had to get this tumor taken out. So while I was waiting for the surgery, during this time is when I met Dr. Hultor and it was through my sister. She knew Gina and someone very close to Dr. Holtorf.

It wasn't in the clinic.

Right.

She was helping us with a contractor.

Oh, nice. That's awesome.

There you go.

Very cool.

And she had asked me to, you know, come in and take a look and meet Dr. Holtorf. And he was very pleasant and very knowledgeable and so forth. So, yeah, I, that's how I really got started.

Wow.

That's incredible. And we, and, and I heard you talking earlier, John, that there was something that Dr. Holtorf told you that inspired you to trust him in the journey to handle something as complex as a cancer diagnosis, which can, I'm sure, bring all types of fear and anxiety and, and it can be pretty overwhelming. What was the one thing that he told you or what built that trust or rapport from you directly to him?

Great question.

And, uh, I'm glad to share because, uh, I was dealing only with Western medicine, you know, uh, surgeons that just remove and, and do surgery and then offer chemo or what have you, but they don't have any, they don't, they just tell you, hey, just prepare for surgery. We just got to take it out and then we'll see what happens, you know? And he, and he would tell me, hey, I think we've, you've waited too long, John, you know, so this and that. And so once I did have surgery, they found that this tumor had grown, doubled in size. Okay. I was down. I was really down with that news. I had to process it. I was processing life and death. And I, and I actually went to go see Dr. Holtorf after this. And I was really inspired because what I heard him say is we have to stop. We're going to do everything we can to stop this cancer.

But I, I wanna interject.

Yeah.

We do not treat cancer. Okay. We do not cure cancer. We get the body, we help the body fight the cancer and go along with whatever the oncologists say. Now with, with Jean-Philippe Raymond, we did a little something different. We have our private membership and, and medical association along with institutional review board. So IRB.

Okay.

So that we can do some different things and we went we went through our affiliate in Mexico. So we could do a lot of different things.

Yes.

That weren't directly from us, but, you know, all, all coordinated. And again, we, we don't tell people ever to not, you know, do what their oncologist say. They usually question their, what their oncologist say, but we, we never, we say you gotta, you know, talk to your oncologist and see what they say. Right. Just wanna interject that.

Yes. Thank you. However, they, they didn't offer much. And I can say that as the months went by, I was not feeling well at all. I mean, I struggled, I was struggling. This, this cancer actually was wreaking havoc in, in my body. And I found out through Dr. Holtorf as well. He did a lot of other tests, had me do some other tests, and they found out that really my more my issue was really digestive.

Mm-hmm.

It was, I wasn't eating properly and so forth and not, I didn't have the proper vitamins and my immunity was really low.

Mm-hmm.

And if your immunity's low, that's not good for cancer. If you're, if you're, if you're eating a lot of, if, if what you're eating turns into sugar, like the carbs, that's not good for cancer. Mm-hmm. So I had been doing that. I thought I'd been eating healthy. Doing everything, exercising healthy and so forth, but I was struggling. I got to a point where in my house, I couldn't go up the second story level. I only have 16 flights of stairs, but I was struggling. And I would wake up in the morning and look at myself in the mirror. And the, my skin tone was greenish gray, and I knew something was really wrong with me. And I was processing this disease. And so I began the treatment.

And, or, or let me interject.

Yeah.

Because, yeah, so basically his oncologist gave him really no, no treatment options, not even chemo or none radiation. And said, we are just gonna take everything out, right?

Yes.

That's pretty disturbing. Like you're gonna have to, you know, have no bladder. You're gonna just have a tube that comes outta your skin. And so first thing we did, we, we used a lab that's in Greece. In Germany and RGCC, and they do a number of things. They will look at all your genes, but not, not genes in the sense of you have these static genes, what genes are upregulated, which ones are downregulated that either directly or indirectly cause, allow this cancer to grow. So, you know, as you know, bladder cancer is a, a disease associated with poor immunity. With aging, with toxins. And, but as we found out, and, and this, this test is, is great. It'll show you what natural things will kill the cancer, suppress the cancer, what things are needed for the immune system that are upregulated, downregulated. And, and when you look at this test, it's like these cancers are like super intelligent, but it is random, you know, basically methods. But it has, it would, it would basically secrete its own peptides to stimulate itself, right? Okay. And so we found that he had all these upregulated genes that caused activation that suppressed the immune system so the body wouldn't even see it. Mm-hmm. He had tons of inflammation, which, which suppressed the immune system. No mitochondrial function. Yeah. His natural killer cell function was so low that, you know, that, that is what basically fights the cancer. So you think of the immune system, it's very complex, but if you break it down to two sides, think of Th1. It's stuff inside the cell teaching the stuff outside the cell. And so this kills cancer and this causes inflammation. And as you get older, it goes like this, or stress or toxins or chronic infections or autoimmunity or other inflammation. So he had, was very poor at fighting the cancer initially. And once it takes hold, it starts acquiring these genes that it just, it, it was so amazing. Like everything that it, it did was a benefit. They could hide from the immune system, could, you know, survive the, the typical attack. Now we found that it did have some vulnerabilities. It could not repair the DNA. Mm-hmm. It could, it had low heat shock proteins, so it couldn't survive stress or oxidation. So right there, you know, ozone, hyperthermia, but we wanna lower that and lower the inflammation, but we want like, Uh, basically inflammation like high-dose vitamin C, ozone, but we don't want chronic inflammation, which is very different. But boom, uh, attack it. So, and they will give you a list of natural things that actually will directly or indirectly hi— inhibit the cancer. And then they'll give you synthetic things and they'll even tell you what chemotherapy would work. But it, you know, basically those are so toxic that, right, you can just, you know, limit it. Due to, by dose. And now why aren't oncologists doing this test? Like it's just one size fits all. Here's the protocol. Wait, we don't know if it's, if it has those genes, if it's needed, if it's gonna work or not. Well, Bob, it didn't work. This, we know ahead of time what's gonna work, why it's gonna work. And in addition to that, they have another amazing treatment called oligonucleotide therapy, or else called SOT, that they will find a gene that is in the cancer. That's not in the regular genome, and they will make a, uh, basically a messenger RNA that will bind. So when the body, when the cancer replicates, it basically has to, uh, uh, basically transcribe these genes so it can replicate. So it'll make a messenger RNA, which then goes to the ribosome and makes a protein, and then it, it does whatever it needs to replicate. So they will make a, basically a, a messenger RNA that binds to that. Piece of messenger RNA and it floats around, so it's stabilized for about 3 to 4 months. So anytime that cancer wants to replicate, it can't because that piece of mRNA binds to it and now it just dies off. But we do that also a lot for Lyme disease and other chronic infections. So they have a, a great program and it just, and, and that's what we based the initial on. Then there's a second company. That's Nobel Prize stuff, and which is Neo7. And they also look at the epigenetically, but they go one step further and make custom peptides, unique peptides that bind all the, basically either activate or suppressor of these genes that either are good or bad, which we just started a couple of days ago.

Yes.

But we got all this change in his, his condition before we even did that. Wow. Yes.

And it is incredible. It is incredible because I experienced the results. I mean, I shared earlier how I struggled to go up the stairs, my, the skin tone. Once I started these therapies, I was revigorated. I had like this youthful vigor now. And it was like, I went from waking up prior to it. I'd wake up in the morning. And it's like a giant picked me up and threw, would throw me against a brick wall. And I was like really in really discomfort. And I experienced like, wow, this is what it feels like to age. I'm only 63. And I was feeling like really old and struggling going up the stairs. But then once I had this IV, IV ozone therapy and some of these other therapies and and peptides.

We only had what, 30, 40 treatments for you, right?

A few. But I got, I got real results because it was interesting.

The same genes that were upregulated are the same genes associated with aging. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, he had things that suppress senolytic. Mm-hmm. So, you know, you basically, as you, as you get older, the cells becomes kind of damaged and they go into what's called senescence. And they're not— they normally, the body should get rid of them. But what happens is the way the immune system is with the low Th1, you can't get rid of those senescent cells. And so they're still around. Instead of doing what they're supposed to, they're causing problems. They're secreting all this inflammation, which then recruits more senescent cells. But we have ways to selectively get rid of those. They call 'em zombie cells. And just doing that for anti-aging is the same thing that we need to do as one of the therapies, again, multi-pronged, that one thing was helping your cancer survive.

Yes. And that's an added benefit. I mean, it was great.

That's awesome.

It was really great. It's, it's all exactly just like Dr. Holtorf just mentioned. But then I started noticing my skin looking better. My family even, my family even started saying, hey, it looks like your hair's growing back. You know, it was great. So, so many benefits. But what was happening was, yes, the, it was treating my cancer, but then I was getting an added benefit. It seemed like it was helping me with my skin, even my hair. And the greatest thing was throughout this early therapy, I realized, I mentioned earlier that I struggled going up and down the stairs, but once after the therapy, I was blown away. The next day I had to go to a job where there was 103 steps and I didn't even think about it, but then it was not going down the steps that was so bad. It was going up this, up the stairs, up these steps, 103 in Corona Del Mar. And I thought, I thought, oh my gosh, how am I going to do this? It's going to take me forever. But after the meeting, which lasted only about an hour, really thought I was running up the stairs.

Wow.

Wow. And I got up to the top and I was like thinking, wow, this therapy that they have at HMG really works. I was like blown away.

Well, because I was like, because of the, much of the things that your, that your cancer secretes was suppressing your mitochondrial function, causing the heart could not squeeze very well. It got stiff, which is the same thing going on with people with cardiovascular disease, congestive heart failure, which I had myself.

Okay.

And had high human trans growth factor beta from chronic Lyme stimulated that in me. For you, the cancer stimulated that, causes fibrosis of the heart. You know, I, I could not walk upstairs, I could not stand up. And so same thing, you had a mild version of that, but the same thing, it reversed that fibrosis and the mitochondrial dysfunction. And so all these things that work for the cancer actually are the same things that work for anti-aging and multi-system illness.

I agree.

Because as you know, we treated so many different areas that were abnormal, cuz it's amazing all the things this cancer either stimulated or suppressed to keep it from, keep it so it could keep growing. Right. And again, the oncologists go, oh, here you go. It's like, you know, you have this, okay, you got this, like, Like, did they even just look at that test by any chance?

All I can say is they do nothing for me. They were doing nothing for me. They only had dire, dire—

and when you went back to go get— I was worried when you go back the second time, right?

Right.

They were planning to take everything out. Yes.

He was—

and I'm like, oh no, even if it's so much better, they will take everything out because that's what they do. But it, but yeah, tell us what, what happened during that visit.

So, yes, thank you. It was a miracle.

Mm-hmm.

It was really a miracle. So I had the second surgery and it was probably, I would say about 3 months later from, from the first surgery to the second surgery. And they took 4 tissue samples. And at that time, the doctor or physician, uh, the surgeon said that it looked kind of, from the first surgery, potentially invasive. He really thought, he really believed that it had gone into the tissue layer, which was not good.

Well, it was shown to be even on the microscopic level to be invasive and aggressive.

Yes.

Yes. Correct.

And so based on that, he was prepared to confirm on my second surgery, we gotta take everything out.

You just take everything out. Yeah.

However, there was a different outcome, thankfully.

And I really believe it was, I mean, I, so, so he got in there and he's like, well, wait a minute, what's going on?

He was astonished.

Mm-hmm.

He was, he was surprised. He was surprised when he got the biopsy results. There were all 4 came negative. It was a miracle. I mean, I thank God Almighty for that.

And what did he say to you about that?

He said, you must have gotten really healthy all of a sudden. You must, something, something just must have happened to you, but you got healthy from the first surgery. I was really understanding that you had to have, it was really bad that you had waited too long and so forth.

And who's blamed you?

Yeah, actually.

And so did you mention anything you were doing or anything like that? Or he goes, it must be your, yeah, your healthy eating or— I, I, I, I did mention that, uh, no, we, we kind of, you know, we leave it up to you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I did mention that I, I was seeing, uh, a very good dietitian, which I was, and I had, uh, excellent physician, of course.

Excellent.

Um, and it was by divine appointment really that I met Dr. Holthorff. If it had not been for him and his assist, really, I would've had a different outcome. Mm-hmm. I know I would've.

Friend that had diagnosed at a similar time with bladder cancer.

Yes. Yes. I have a close acquaintance, a year younger than me, had the exact same, almost exact same bladder cancer. He had his removed. And the, when the, the stitching, when they sewed back the, the bag, got infected. He got sepsis and died of that.

Yeah. And see, but nothing happens to them because that's a, an, a potential side effect. And it's kind of when they're saying, well, yep, the surgery was successful, but the patient died. Yeah. And, and I, I just, I don't understand it. And like for myself, when I had the, like, heart disease, I mean the heart failure. I couldn't stand up, couldn't walk. And they said maybe in 10 years you get 10% better with, with intensive, you know, cardiovascular rehab. And I come back less than a year later standing up and he's like, that's interesting. And, and you don't think, oh, it's normal. Did he ask me one thing? I did. No. Wow. But yeah, so it, it just, it just blows me away. You know, they're just kinda like, okay, that's it. Next, next, next. And it's kinda like, is it the system? Is it the doctors? I think it's a combination of, of the two, but tell us about your, your mental journey, like how you felt with that diagnosis.

And I was devastated. I mean, I kept it to myself. I, I'm a man of faith and I was really thinking maybe it is my time. You know, I now know God had a different plan. He wanted me to be under Dr. Holtorf's care. And my heart—

we're not done yet.

I know, I know. But I, I know, but my heart overwhelmed, overflows with—

because when, when we looked at your, your initial RGC test, like he had so many cancer cells in the blood, right? He was the highest risk level.

Yeah.

For metastatic. Yep. Um, or basically the thing was pumping out cancer stem cells. Yep. Which we needed to get rid of. So all these things. And so we're, we're, we're gonna keep the pressure on and add, we just added the new custom peptides under, under IRB and it's this review board. So it's all reviewed by a panel of, uh, of doctors to be safe and effective. And, but that's the thing, we're just gonna keep the power on and the stuff is nontoxic, right?

Right.

Uh, compared to chemo where you're just feeling horrible, you feel better.

Mm-hmm.

And, and so what I'm, I'll do for people that are interested, I'm gonna follow up with a PowerPoint to kind of go into more details, which I think probably, you know, too much to, you know, uh, to absorb here. But, you know, just for people that maybe have a loved one or themselves, and, and this whole system works for so many things, including so many different cancers. Again, we're not saying we're taking the place of the oncologist, but we're getting the body so it can fight the cancer itself and, and kill it.

Yes. Now there is a place I have to, I appreciate that. Because the oncologists do have a place. Surgery. I mean, I needed surgery. Granted, I, I get that.

Where, where I f—

where I would not have had hope is waiting for just the second surgery and yeah, then tell me, hey, we need to take your bladder out. That's where it was really important for me to, to, to stay. With, uh, Dr. H's, uh, protocol.

Okay, John, I'm curious if you could, if someone's watching this, is there something you could tell them that you wish someone told you? I mean, I know Dr. H's words were like hope fuel to you.

Yes.

And this goes out to a lot of people and a lot of people that are probably dealing with the things that Dr. H, you know, has a protocol for something. But yeah, I know it comes different from us talking about how we treat, but what would you say to someone who's on the fence or maybe they wanna look into someone like us or come to HMG or what would you, how would you encourage someone? I'm just curious to hear.

It's very stressful because you have your standard doctor says one thing and if we say something else, oh my gosh, what, what do I do?

You know?

Yeah.

And well, let me just say that, um, I respect the oncologists, but my hope was through HMG. And so I knew I had to have the tumor out, but I knew they weren't going to do anything to stop it. So I believe you have to be at the, I had to be at both places, right? I had to resolve that. And I just want to say something here that, and to others listening, course, is that I was skeptical. You know, I had no familiarity with protocols, with these therapies and so forth. They were just foreign to me. But I saw immediate results. I realized that this is where I needed to be. I truly know that.

Okay.

And I'm thankful for it. I'm really thankful and I encourage everyone to seek. I would love to say, hey, go to all, everyone go to HMG because that's really where I got the best assist, really. That was life-changing for me.

And that is kudos to you to make that leap of faith. You know, it's like, oh my gosh, well, like, you know, we get the questions all the time. Well, if it's so great, why isn't everyone doing it? Right? And, or I used to bring lab slips to every party. I had to, 'cause people would come up and go, oh my gosh, I'm sick, or my daughter's sick, or my husband or wife.

Right.

And then I'd talk to 'em forever and then, you know, go, okay, this is what's going on, da da da da. And then they go, well, my doctor says that's, that's not what, what's happening. Like, how's that working for you? Right. You know? And so I would care more about them than they would. I'd give 'em lab slips and they would go to their doctor. Now those are unnecessary. Like, okay. You know, so I, I stopped doing that. So people have to, you know, make some effort to, hey, you know, here you go. And we'll send like, you know, basically 50 tests. I don't know a doctor who even knows, they go, oh, this isn't necessary. If you don't know what it means, it's unnecessary. Right, right. And most doctors will do a CBC, a chem panel, you know, maybe a TSH if you're lucky, and cholesterol and try to put you on a statin. Which is the worst thing you can do for like 90% of the people. And, and they don't understand physiology anymore. It's the insurance company says we put you in a little box, right? So standard medicine is great if you're in a little box, if you break your leg, if you know, and like with autoimmune, they'll go, oh, you got this thing, now we're going to give you this med, which has all these side effects. We have found that everything's a vicious cycle. And all these conditions that go along with aging. I just gave a, a talk where aging is basically treating aging, the same thing as treating acute illness. Right.

Interesting.

And, and this is like you said, so what, what's, you know, aging versus cancer? They're actually one and the same. Yes. Right.

Yes.

And the same things are upregulated and downregulated. And so we found that it works for every neurologic diseases, chronic infections, You know, the most multi-system, like difficult to treat. If you break it down, they all have the same dysfunction. All the veterans, which when we start treating the veterans, you know, it's like, oh my God, they're gonna be all over the place. And what caused it? 'Cause they, you know, toxins and PTSD and traumatic brain injury. They were all basically like the sickest patients that come in, but they were accelerated. Yeah. You know, they had the lowest telomeres, shortest telomeres, like they were in good shape, but they were like 108 in telomere. Wow. And in, in biologic age. Wow. And they all had the terrible immunity. They all had Lyme disease. And it's a big, uh, story that we'll, we'll talk about when we interview, uh, uh, Jesse. But it, it's the same whether it's ALS, whether it, you know, congestive heart failure, dementia, Parkinson's, chronic Lyme, Sears, you know, just all these conditions, autoimmunity. You know, we're kind of an immune modulatory clinic cuz that's part of everything. It's that immune dysfunction that sets everything off.

Yeah.

And, and same with cancer we're finding.

Yes.

And I remember this integrative cancer doc came up to me and says, why are you still treating Lyme? Treat cancer is so much easier. But, but it's kind of, it's all the same system. Right. And you gotta look at the multi-system illness and we have the benefit of having these amazing tests, which will tell us Before we even try it, you know, we've started like with, with ivermectin and fenben right off the bat.

Right, right.

And the studies are showing that works very non-toxic and works. So, you know, we play percentages. We did not have the exact whether it would work for your particular cancer, but it worked for so many different cancers and very non-toxic. Mm-hmm. And turned out it did, it had the genes that did work, that you have upregulated or downregulated that the cancer is, is living off.

It was definitely aggressive. And without that, I, it would've gotten much worse.

Well, if I could summate, I feel like I have a saying that's come to me is that in order to get unconventional results, you gotta go an unconventional way. And I know that Dr. Holtorf, you paved a way to make the unconventional acceptable and understandable.

We're probably— but you know what? I disagree. I don't think it's unconventional.

It shouldn't be.

I, it, it's, Evidence-based.

It's like the most intelligent way to treat.

It is the most progressive evidence-based, uh, there is.

100%.

The other is not evidence-based.

100%.

Can I say it's effective?

Let's go.

That's it. It's effective.

And, and so our new model, I wanna just bring up is that the big problem we had was we treat these very complex conditions, you know, and it's like, okay, take this, this, this, this causes this because of that. Patient's like, oh my God. It's like, what was I supposed to take? Like they, they understand cuz I'll do 4-hour visits easily and they understand, but then they go home and go, your husband or wife goes, well, what, what's going on? I don't know. You know, I don't know. He said something, you know? So what we're doing now is, is having the patients basically, we'll give them a 35 to 50 lab tests to do ahead of time. We will, we will get that. We will actually do a protocol and we'll do a PowerPoint. So we did like 3 PowerPoints for you. Yeah. So you have something to refer to and we can do that. And these are for complex illnesses. So, so that, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, there's 20 things that— okay, well, aren't— isn't there going to be side effects? Well, if you do 20 meds, you're in trouble. But 20 peptides together, they actually— when bioregulators especially, You know, is that they actually work better together.

Yes.

And the lack of toxicities that, yeah. So we'll actually do protocols, spend 4 hours with the patient, and then if you ever need, you know, we'll keep doing more updates, of course, as we get more information and, and things change. And, and we find PowerPoints is, are, are great so the patient can understand it because we really need the patient to understand why they're taking this. They may not have to know exactly the mechanism of action and that, But we don't want people, I take the blue pill in the morning, we take, oh, here, why are you taking this? And really, I think that patients need to become an active participant in their healthcare because if you don't, you, you won't get good healthcare.

No, I agree. And I was informed all along, well-informed. As a matter of fact, I, I consider myself, my family sometimes says, hey, you're, you're practically, uh, a doctor.

Let's go.

I love that.

No, it's all good. Yeah. Now it's, uh, it is true. There's no cure for cancer.

I mean, you mentioned that earlier, but I believe it goes away, but we're not saying it's here, but I do believe everyone has cancer in the body all the time.

Right. Correct. But I do believe that this, your approach, your multilayered approach is essential. To getting to the core issue, getting to stop this. I mean, we're talking at the DNA level, we're talking, uh, messenger RNAs. This is, this is fantastic. This is, this is really noteworthy. Um, and breakthrough, uh, as far as like the Neo 7, it's just amazing technology.

Yeah. It's not well priced though.

I really believe it is way ahead of our time. I think your approach is way ahead of our time. I think you will be the norm.

Oh yeah.

In, in, well, you know, in the future. Yeah.

I wrote the article, uh, uh, 17 Years Ahead. Yeah. So the Annals of Internal Medicine and the New England Journal of Medicine found that most doctors are practicing 10 to 20 years what's behind in the medical literature. Mm-hmm. So they said, why is that? One, doctors don't read medical journals. They don't, they, they don't have time. If they do, they'll read an abstract, but they don't even do that because why should they? They just basically have to do whatever the insurance company says. So the, it takes on average for a proven, proven new therapy to get, to get accepted to mainstream medicine takes on average 17 years unless it's a new drug. If it was a new drug, they have a sales force that come in and go, oh doctor, here it is. And what, what freaks me out, if you look at a, a, a product insert for a medication, okay, what's the first thing you look at? Mechanism of action, right? Because we look at physiology, mechanism of action. Doctors don't, they go, well, what's the dose and what's the indication? It's on the mechanism of action is number 12. It's down there. They don't even get to it. They don't know the mechanism of action. So it's like, oh, you got high cholesterol, I'll give you a statin. Well, what's the side effects of that? Why are you giving that? I don't know. That's because it, it's approved for that. And, and it, it's really bad. And so, yeah, so it takes on average, you know, 17 years. We have a whole thing 17 years ahead where we, you know, talk about new upcoming therapies, but it's, it's bad and it, it's getting worse because of the, the model because doctors have to see more and more patients and, you know, they don't want a, a complex patient coming into their, you know, in the waiting room and have to see 'em like, oh geez. You know, just give them a handy depressor and get them out because they don't get paid more for that. We have an incentive. They don't have incentive to get you better. They have incentive to see more. Wow.

Right.

And keep you out of the office in general unless they can do some high-ticket, uh, procedure.

Mm-hmm.

But if we don't get patients better, they ain't coming back. We're outta business. Right.

What I do realize and appreciate is the personalized care that you provide. It is one of a kind. It is really the very best that I, I, I can ever imagine. It is, it is, it is amazing to me that, that it's just like an assembly line for the, you know, Western medicine. It's just an assembly line.

They're just like, and it's getting worse. I'm telling you.

But the, the, the personalized care is just out. Now I recall I like to read. And in days of old, you know, that's what people did. You know, they read stories and shared stories and so forth. And it was a different time. It was a time when physicians would come to the house and you'd have personalized care and those folks would get better. They didn't need the med, the Western medicines, pharmaceutical, pharma, big pharma that we have now. One fix for everyone. Chemo for everyone. And the personalized care is just amazing to me.

I, I was gonna resonate with that too, John, that, okay, in my functional medicine journey, you know, there's a, a doc just like Dr. Holtorf back in my day when I was 16, 17 in my conditions, and they gave me hope in a similar way. But I've been in the functional medicine community now for like, well, almost, I'm gonna push 20 years here pretty soon. But I've never met someone like the Holtorf Way that is so comprehensive, tailor fit to you, the patient, that does things with an intelligent approach, right? From the first day you walk into the clinic to the time that you leave. And I think education creates expectation. And so I just really appreciate you, Dr. Holtorf, bringing education to patients. Yes. And just like you said, they don't need to know everything, but they need a clear path to an end result.

But it wasn't this altruistic vision. It was out of life or death for myself. It was a very selfish reason to get myself better. 'Cause I couldn't function. I was gonna, you know, end it. Because I was very evidence-based. I'm still very evidence-based, if not more. And it's ingrained in medical school that anything alternative, integrative, functional means no evidence. And I was dying. I couldn't see patients and they had nothing for me. So I snuck off to the integrative conference. I'm like, they've been lying to me. It's more evidence-based than what, what they're, you know, the stuff that they're teaching us. And, uh, and now it's so complex because you look at, you know, half the studies now are wrong and they can just, they do these huge studies that, that basically just tweak one little thing and now it's like, oh, this is, you know, a great drug and everybody starts using it. And even when it's shown to not be, you know, basically efficacious, it stays on there. And people like, look at statins, they're showing, you know, all the meta-analysis now showing the higher your LDL, the less likely you have heart disease. So I mean, it's just crazy and stuff just keeps getting perpetuated because that's the way it's been done.

Yeah.

Yeah. So question, you know, you got to question everything.

True that.

I've had many added benefits. One was what the doctor mentioned as far as CBC. I went to my PCP and she says, John, your cholesterol is a lot lower now and your blood pressure's also a lot lower now. So you don't need a medication.

You got some side benefits going on.

They're like, what do we do now? Yeah. Right. What?

Less and less to treat. Where do we—

now I can't give you anything.

It's so crazy. It's just crazy. What I do want to say is that I feel much better now. I know that I'm on the right path. And, uh, yes, it's a journey. It's not easy at times. There was times, like I said earlier, you know, I would wake up and it was rough, but then I've, I've seen the other side that there is hope and there is places to go. Yes, Dr. Holthorff is, is gifted.

Well, John and Dr. Voltor, thank you guys so much for joining us today on the summit. And both of you guys are a blessing to me, and I'm sitting at a table of pioneers, so I feel honored to be here, and I just appreciate both y'all's time.

Likewise. Yeah, thank you much.

Same here. Thank you.

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