Regeneration Requires Power, Not Hope

You know, that's the thing that I love is, you know, you can look at like peptide signaling pathways that you talk a lot about and like mitochondrial crosstalk. And I love, you know, we've talked about BPC-157 and TB500, right? And, you know, thymosin beta-4 and thymogen alpha-1. The cool thing is improved mitochondrial biogenesis, new production of mitochondria. Enhances the repair functionality of those peptide, peptides like downstream.

Welcome to the Peptides and Longevity Podcast. Each week we'll dive into groundbreaking science, innovative therapies, and the future of health and longevity alongside visionary physicians and experts. We'll explore how peptides, cutting-edge medicine, and lifestyle strategies can redefine the way we age. Get ready to transform your health, optimize your vitality, and unlock the secrets to a longer, healthier life. Let's get started. Hey everybody, my name is Michael McNeil. I'm the director of education for NHIS, and we want to welcome you back to the Peptide and Bioregulator Summit. Joining me today is one of my most dear friends at the top of the list of best friends. This guy is ranking by far the highest. We've known each other in the industry for such a long time. We've had the privilege of working together and of just really like helping to fuel each other's entrepreneurial passions. This is Dr. Drew Kidder. He works for Cellcore Biosciences. They are a pioneer in the supplement world when it comes to mitochondria. And Drew is one of the most intelligent and kind men I know in the industry. So Drew, I'm so stoked to get to talk to you today.

Likewise, it's an honor to be here. It's super cool for you and I— I mean, you and I normally geek out on this kind of stuff just on the phone in all things mitochondria, all things peptides, but have not done it in this format. Right.

This is exciting. Yeah.

And I'm just— I'm honored to be here and for you to think about me and ask me to be here. So, yeah.

Yes, sir. Let's go. I love that. Well, I'm gonna kick it off and I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you to sort of like treat me as a layperson, not as an intelligent practitioner-minded man myself, but what are mitochondria? Why are they important? What does it mean to have a powerhouse of the cell and why do our body need them? Like, what, what, why, why do our body need them? Why do we need to utilize them to create energy?

Well, our brains and therefore fueling our tongues definitely need them. So, you know, we can start with that.

So, okay, appreciate it.

Michael needs a little mitochondrial support as we speak, but I really do. No, I just, you know, oftentimes when I speak, whether it's in person or webinars or podcasts like this, you know, I, I will present it in a way that, you know, almost asking a, a question, right? Or a fill in the blank. Mitochondria are, and most people, regardless of their education, regardless of whether they just learned about mitochondria through, you know, middle school or high school class, or they have significant postgraduate training, you know, chiropractic medical training, nursing, whatever, most people understand mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell, right? They're these beautiful little kidney bean-shaped organelles within every single cell of our body, every single organ, gland and cell with the exception of red blood cells. And they're necessary for the production of ATP, which is the currency of energy in our bodies. But they're necessary for so much more than just energy, right? They're necessary for, you know, neurological function. They're necessary for our memory and thoughts and, and, you know, obviously energy, but enzymes, right? Enzymes that are converting, you know, hormones, that type of thing. Detoxification, as we focus on with, with Cellcore, a big part of what we do. Regeneration, right? And you're in the space of regeneration.

Yep.

With, with peptides and what we're doing to regenerate tissues and organs and cells. You know, there's so much buzz within the integrative functional medicine root cause space nowadays with, you know, biohacking and longevity and anti-aging and, Everyone's talking about autophagy and mitophagy. And so what do we do to upregulate the mitochondria in, again, every single cell of our body? And what I like to geek out— I'm a numbers guy, you know that, you know, in me.

True.

You know, I geek out on the fact that there are— and I don't know who's counting them, but, you know, anywhere from 35 to 40 trillion cells in the human body. Right, which that number is staggering in and of itself. But within each and every one of their— those cells, there are mitochondria, and they're anywhere from hundreds to 2 million mitochondria in every single one of those 35 to 40 trillion cells.

Wow.

Our liver has 2,000 mitochondria per cell. Our heart has roughly 5,000. Our brain has, you know, 10,000 on average mitochondria in areas like the substantia nigra, which is necessary for things like dopamine, right? Production has, again, upwards of 2 million mitochondria per cell. So do you think they're kind of important? I think our body leaves clues. 100%.

Yeah.

So if there are that many mitochondria, don't you think that regardless of the, the health challenge that people are dealing with, that before we can fix a tissue, before we can fix an organ, before we can fix a hormone, we have to focus on, you know, supporting mitochondria.

Yeah, I agree. I think my first kind of delve into the mitochondrial sphere is when I read a book called The Body Electric, and this was back on my healing journey. Yeah, there's another book called Healing is Voltage, and there was like a direct association with the electrical potential of our bodies because we're a big electricity generator, but at the core of every cell they're its own electric generating its own field. And the state of your health is the state of that energy potential. And most every disease state falls on a lack of energy where the cell starts to degenerate itself. And they're just genius people like Todd Watts and Jay and, you know, all the crew at Cellcore and the scientists and everything who have found a way to basically hijack the science behind that voltage and bring something into the body that every cell of the body can basically get plugged into a DC battery, but starts to get that current flow back. And that's why when you see like, I mean, I know from my personal experience over the last 7 years of using Cellcore products pretty much every day is that you feel that mitochondrial enhancement almost right away. That cell charge. I used to call it innate energy boosting. It's not caffeine and it's not B vitamins. It's something solely unique to the way that y'all have used humic and fulvic acids and all PQQ and all these different, you know, unique ingredients. And every one of our cells recognizes that energy and uptakes it to utilize it almost right away.

Yeah.

And so it's, it's powerful.

Well, it's, you know, you speak to something that's so relevant because what are we starved for nowadays, which is so evident in our society, right? We're starved for energy. Yeah. It's, it, look at what everyone, you know, migrates toward with, you know, caffeinated drinks, whether it's coffees, teas, you know, yerba mates, you know, kombuchas, you know, anything. And you look at now the energy drink section of stores. It's ridiculous. Even going into a, you know, a gas station and But that's exogenous energy. Mm-hmm. That's what we put in from the outside. And like any other fuel source, no different than putting gas into your car, it's gonna use it and burn it quickly. But what can we do to help with endogenous production of, you know, energy of ATP? That's what our body produces it on its own. And that's mitochondria. Yeah. So, you know, focusing on what do we allow the body, again, that self-healing organism to do? It's all charge. It's all the transfer of electrons, right? Yeah. And that's what, for every physiological process in the body, it's the gaining or losing of electrons. And, you know, you mentioned just quickly, you know, kind of foundationally with Cellcore, our use of humic and fulvic acids. And again, I'm a numbers guy, right? And I geek out on the fact that one molecule of fulvic acid contains 14 tetra trillion electrons. Okay. That's the number 14 with 21 zeros after it. So that is the potential of that fulvic acid to start or stop chemical reactions in the body. Wow. And you know why I'm excited about this? Because, you know, I'm a huge peptide fan. Love peptides.

Let's go.

There are a lot of peptides that are out there in the market that are shown to increase mitochondrial function.

Yep.

But then we also know the flip side of that is true where upregulating mitochondria is necessary for the, the proper utilization and efficacy and effectiveness of the peptide. Right. So yeah, let's talk about that a little bit.

Well, and I, I, I love the fact that like you're, you geek out on the fact that there's so many, you know, millions and thousands and different numbers of mitochondria at every cell. But the reality of our body is they've found that we're generating thousands of peptides that are helping to regulate different body processes. And so the one that I like to use is sort of the overarching example is the pancreas's ability to secrete insulin. And insulin is a direct correlation to how your cells use you know, glucose for energy and, and that whole conversion on a very high level. But if you delve deeper into the science of, let's say, what are the pancreatic cells needing to function correctly for you to use insulin correctly? Well, at the end of the day, it's mitochondrial energy, right? So there's a whole host of mixing. I can't tell you the amount of basically I call it like supercharging a peptide's ability to adhere into a tissue and create that rapid healing state where I've used MitoActive, BCAA, ATP. I do a combo with like the Wolverine peptide stack, which is BPC-157, TB4 Frag Max together. Those 4 for someone who's dealing with like tissue degradation, maybe they have poor recovery in the gym, they're taxing their CNS and their adrenals, and they just need something to bring them back into homeostasis. You put those 4 into your body, delayed onset muscle fatigue will be cut in half. Like, you, you will feel invincible. You'll be as big as you— and now I'm getting there, Drew, a little bit— but as big as me.

It's hilarious because you're talking my stack, right? You know I'm a huge fan of the Wolverine stack, and what do I do? I include BCATP and MitoActive to help with mitochondrial, not only just mitochondrial production, but mitochondrial protection, right? Because we have to— why do our mitochondria become damaged? Because we're exposed to toxic burden. Yeah, we're exposed to toxins in the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat. And where do those toxins typically attack? You know, what do they create damage? It's the cell membrane and the cell membrane, the mitochondrial membrane is where ATP is produced.

Yep.

Right. So when we start kind of peeling back the layers of the onion, we go, ah, this makes sense. Right.

True, true.

You know, we, we can do as much as we can to mitigate toxic exposure, but then just the toxins that we are exposed to because we go outdoors or we work in an office environment. And who knows what's in the air and the, the carpet and all of those things that are damaging our mitochondria. We have to protect them from oxidative stress, but then we have to produce new mitochondria.

True, true.

You know, like you mentioned, MitoActive, you know, containing PQQ, pyrroloquinoline quinone, actually helps extract the, the code from the DNA to produce new mitochondria. So we used to think that the only ways to really stimulate production of new mitochondria with these either fasting, cuz when you're fasting, your body's not getting that production of glucose to produce energy. So it's like, ooh, uh-oh, we better try to produce new mitochondria. Or it was really through exercise because when we exercise, we deplete our mitochondrial stores. So it needs to kick, you know, back in again, but. You know, we've discovered these compounds like PQQ that through this PGC-1α, geek out on all of that, extracts that code and produces new mitochondria. So it's, it's super, super cool.

See, I love that. I love the aspect of recycling, but also creating the new and, and just in like basic peptide function, peptides work at the cell surface of every cell.

Right.

So the way that they're going to give off the signal for your cell to turn on a healing factor, that cell membrane's health, the healthier the membrane, the healthier the response from the peptide.

Yeah.

So if you're charging that cell membrane, if you ever looked under your blood under a live darkfield microscope, there's literally a bioluminescence that is around your cell. The energy potential of your cells literally shown under a darkfield microscope. And the higher the mitochondrial potential, the higher that, that resonance of that luminous light is around your cell. And so if you put something like a peptide that's influencing the cell surface, so if you mix the high energy potential of a cell's ability to turn on its action, that's the energy it takes for it to function correctly. And guess what? That's to get infections out of the cell. That's also to help get nutrients into the cell. It's all based on the electron transportable ability of the permeation of that energy membrane. We used to think it was all about fat, but that's kind of old school news. It's actually more about energy than anything.

Right.

And that's something that I find an interesting correlation. Let's say with something like thymogen alpha-1. I don't know if you're familiar with thymogen alpha-1. It's something that, you know, delving into the research, when you look at thymic peptide utilization and the thymus gland in general, it starts to involute or go away by about age 45. You lose your thymic gland in your body to produce thymic peptides, and it's a direct component to how every one of your cells regulates immune cell activity. So there is a need that starts to happen around age 45, which this is also a direct correlation when age-related diseases started to accumulate in the body and immune system challenges get at an all-time high. Well, I think there's a direct correlation between, between senescent cells increasing, organ systems starting to involute from like an epigenetic factor. The fact that we used to die around 45, that was considered old age like 100 years ago. And now we'll consider, I'm sure for you and I, Drew, like 120 will be like the beginning of our old age. Yeah, that's the goal.

Yeah, yeah.

But if you, if you take something like, like a MitoActive or something like BCAA, you take thymogen alpha-1, that is the restoration of a balance of immune cell activity that for patients who are dealing with acute infections or even chronic autoimmune conditions, you give the energy and the balancer at the same time. And your immune cells will get out of that SASP type of creating inflammation. They'll go back to creating energy. And that's why I like the synergy. A lot of energy synergies going on between peptides and mitochondria. They're a match made in cellular heaven.

Well, that's, you know, that's the thing that I love is, you know, you can look at like peptide signaling pathways that you talk a lot about and like mitochondrial crosstalk. And I love, you know, we've talked about BPC-157 and TB500, right? And, you know, thymosin beta-4 and thymogen alpha-1. The cool thing is improved mitochondrial biogenesis, new production of mitochondria enhances the repair functionality of those peptide peptides, like downstream, right? Because if we look at like greater ATP availability, right? The greater energy from a mitochondrial standpoint is going to be for like BPC and TB, it's improved tissue healing, faster regeneration, right? Faster regeneration of those tissues and those cells. But then ROS factors, I, you know, I mentioned like damage of oxidative stress from environmental toxins and that type of thing. With reduced ROS factors, you have less peptides that are wasted, if you will, on combating the damage that's occurring from ROS and allows them to be focused on healing. Yeah, right. So let the mitochondria do, you know, the damage of getting rid of or reducing the damage and allow the peptide to do the healing. Right. That's why it's such an amazing synergy with including the, you know, mitochondrial and peptide strategy.

Yeah, I love that. And in everything to say that, like, we're constantly on the verge of trying to combat anything that creates the age-related inflammation.

Right.

And I think part of the ROS quenching, the, the inflammation stopping in its tracks is actually at the core mitochondrial issue. And it's something that until the Cellcore universe existed, I didn't hear a lot of practitioners— because I've been in this space for a long time like you have, Drew— but I didn't hear a lot of them putting emphasis on how important it is to enhance mitochondria and enhance the energy of the cell. And that's actually part of the anti-aging process.

Right.

Can you imagine, like, we're influencing an epigenetic and DNA level ability to utilize energy correctly. And the thing that I like to think about is like, like for me last night, I didn't get good sleep and I've been tracking all my sleep and yeah, there you go. Yeah. But like, I notice a direct correlation to like how, how I recover in the gym, how my brain functions. I've been on calls all day. You may like fumble words and stuff like that. And I just ran out of my MitoActive and BCAA ATP, so I gotta do a re-up with you. But, uh, but I, I notice even in times like that where my energy level dips, you can still pull on those innate helpers and get that cognitive boost back. And that's how vital it is even when you feel like you're in a low energy state. And that's when you're dealing with patients in chronic illness positions, one of their number one complaints is that they don't have enough energy and a lot of times they don't even have enough energy to want to go through the healing journey. And so the thing that I like about Cellcore and the thing I like about peptides is the synergy is that they come in only to influence the cell's ability to heal itself, to be supercharged, to really give you enough potential so that you feel your shift, like you feel the state of your body shift. Fairly quickly.

Right, right. You know, I wanna touch on something that you said early on because, you know, a lot of doctors now, it's becoming more mainstream, at least in our world. And sometimes we go through our world with blinders on thinking that everyone is talking mitochondria because we are. But I lectured last fall at an event in Chicago and I, you know, I knew it was primarily a, a medical doctor attendee, you know, audience. And I said, hey, how— by a show of hands, how many of you are MDs? And the majority, I would say 90% of the audience raises their hand. And I said, okay, I'm taking away your MD credentials, your medical doctor credentials. And I got this look like, no, you're not. And I said, no, I'm going to still allow you to be MDs, but now you're, you're mitochondrial doctors. And they all were like, oh, they like that, you know. And so I really feel like in so many ways that the doctor of the future is a mitochondrial doctor. Yeah. Just like we're looking at, and thank you for pointing out, cuz there's so much misinformation on peptides. Yep. And we know there's a certain category of peptides that has gotten more publicity, uh, over the past, you know, few years. You know, it starts with a G, ends in a P, and has a dash one in it. Sure. And And yet you pointed out a great point that insulin is a peptide.

Yep.

We've been utilizing peptides for decades. Yep. And it's unfortunate that, you know, certain powers that be want to attack it because now it's competition for the pharmaceutical, you know, options. But I truly feel like if people are not addressing the combination of mitochondria and utilization of peptides, they're missing the mark, right?

And yeah, I agree.

You know, for an audience, in, in some cases, that's more patients. Like, if you're not working with a practitioner who's talking to you about mitochondria and peptides, maybe find a new one.

Yeah, I agree. Because you— I always say this, if I had in my healing journey 18 years ago, in the condition that I was in, mold exposure, type 2 diabetic, Tourette syndrome, I was an absolute wreck, two traumatic brain injuries. You know my story, Drew, but I would have probably, you know, cut my healing time in half if I had to tap in. I mean, I was on the very, very beginning of the supplement journey, which was like magnesium citrate, and I was taking some adrenal supplements and just everything that you realize that you do is such way upstream that we've delved into what is like the most powerful thing that actually influences the cell, and where you want to heal is at the cellular level, because that's the influence of the potential for your whole body to come in homeostasis. So I'm glad we have the ability to do things like this because we just offer the access to more people. And, you know, education creates expectations. So it's like, if you've never— I usually tell people the amuse-bouche peptide is BPC-157, right? It's, it's the starter peptide. And I would say probably like one of my favorite supplements that Cellcore's ever created is MitoActive. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love it. Like, I literally feel a complete shift in my body when I'm staying consistent with MitoActive. Yeah. And I've just felt such a, like, I mean, regeneration for me. I've been killing in the gym. I've been lowering my body fat percentage. I've been like more in a heightened mental state having to basically be the peptide preacher out there and like, you know, do a lot of mental gymnastics with questions. And you know how it is too. It's like new concepts require a lot of like mitochondrial potential just to put it out there. But I love that in the Cellcore universe, there is the energy that we're giving the body is going to lead to the freedom in things like detoxification. It's going to support— peptides support all of those. Pathways. Same with the mitochondrial support at Cellcore's Core. And if you guys have never checked out their parasite cleanse or their detoxes when it comes to binders and getting rid of what's causing all these reactions in the body, you've got to go delve further into Drew's world. Reach out to Drew. Cellcore has the cornerstone on things that There's not a patient that comes in that I won't recommend their parasite cleanse, their lymphatic cleanse, their Lyme protocols. You guys really have it laid out really, really easily and really well. And so, thanks, Drew. I'm gonna kinda tee it up to you. Where do people find you, your information? How do they get ahold of Cellcore products? Like, where do they go to find you?

Yeah, you can— Cellcore is easy. You know, cellcore.com is just C-E-L-L-C-O-R-E dot com. Great information. We are a firm believer in just like this, why Michael and I invest the time in education. We're an education brand, right? The more educated patients can be, the better results they're going to, to get. And that's a trickle-down, right? The more educated a practitioner is, the more educated their patients are, better clinical outcomes they get, you know, as well. As far as, you know, getting in contact with me, I'm not a big social, social media guy. You know, Michael knows my social media tends to be just like little motivational snippets. I don't dive deep into like this clinical stuff. I leave that for, you know, personal. But I don't know, I— what am I on social media, Michael? Dr. Drew Kidder?

Dr. Drew Kidder.

That's it. Something like that. I don't even know, you know, mine, mine are like 30-second little snippets from the front seat of my truck at 6 o'clock in the morning.

But I like that. It's good for my mitochondria. It's good for my mental health, right?

Exactly. Exactly. I love that. So, um, but yeah, I mean, just kind of in wrapping up, you know, you, you hit the nail on the head, your love of like MitoActive and what a pivotal change. I, I love still the BCATP with the utilization of the Fulvix and the Humixx for driving that protection of the mitochondria. But I love the, the PQQ in the MitoActive to be producing new because it has to be that balance. Again, it's the protection and the, you know, production of new mitochondria that finds that, that balance. So, yeah.

And I went on a healing journey and Drew knows this story. Just I'll close with this because I think it'll be real tantalizing to your mind. But I wound up contracting a C. diff infection that made me go sepsis and I almost died from it. And I had a lot of cardiovascular issues after this incident. And part of rebuilding the rebuild process is I literally just went in for full body everything. And I'm telling you, I'm in a— according to all the tests, I'm in a 100% healthy state. Like no blood calcium, no cholesterol issues, no arterial anything wrong with any ventricle, any vessel, nothing. And guess what it shows me? It shows that I tapped into the regenerative power of the cell itself. I use things that helped encourage new growth, new blood vessel growth. Peptides are really good at that. Mitochondrial supports like myoactive BCAATP, that's really like adding the fuel to the fire of regeneration in my body. And lo and behold, today, according to the test I just ran, I'm healthier today than I've ever been in my life. And I just love the fact that I have that as like a marker because you, Drew, have seen my health go, woo, all over the place. And so it's just nice to come to a balanced state just utilizing tools like this. So if you're encouraged by listening to our voice through this, just know that you can regenerate, you can come out of low energy states, you can come into healing states and radical healing. I feel like hearing it is important. There are people who, like you Drew, spoke healing into me by encouraging me and helping build healthy practices as a man and as, you know, a brother. You built me back up. And so I feel like these platforms are important for for people to grab that type of information, whether you're a practitioner or you're our client listening to this, or someone maybe who's never delved into supplements. Let this be like the motivation for you. Um, you don't have to listen to Drew's Instagram. We'll do it right now. Like, you get out there, go to cellcore.com, get a couple bottles of MitoActive BCAA, pick a BPC up, and just start to shift your state today. Like, It, it, it's really that easy. That's how it starts.

Just, and it starts at the cell. I mean, we're not to be redundant. Everything that we talk about, whether it's a peptide or, you know, mitochondrial support, it is focusing on healing at the cellular level. So that is, that's our focus.

Let's go. Well, Dr. Kidder, I appreciate your time today.

Likewise.

Thank you everyone for joining us. I'll have all of Dr. Kidder's information in the show notes. and I'll have all the special and goodies that he'll provide us from the Cellcore universe. And you guys have an amazing day. Thanks for joining us on the Peptides and Longevity Podcast. If you enjoyed today's episode, don't forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps us reach more listeners passionate about optimizing their health. For more insights, resources, and updates, visit our website at www.peptidesandlongevity.com. HoltorfMed.com. Together, let's embrace a future of health and vitality. Until next time, stay inspired and keep thriving.