Your Nonprofit is Your Side Hustle

Saturday. It is Saturday.

It is Saturday. I mean, like, I know people are going like, wait a minute, where have they been this week? It's been a different kind of week.

It's been a different kind of week, and I love it because we're able just, just to flow with it, you know. And life is life, and everything is not going to be every— the way you expect it to be.

So all the time. Exactly. Which kind of goes right along with what we're going to talk about today. So, uh, this is the beginning of our podcast and we are so excited to, uh, share and spend some real quality time with people. And so today we want to talk about your nonprofit is your side hustle. Yeah, I thought that was so cool, but I think people need to understand what are we trying to say. So take it away, Vanessa, tell Tell them what we're trying to say.

What we're telling y'all is this, is that, you know, people, they get their 501 in their hand, they're like, hey, I got my 501, I'm gonna get money instantly, I'm gonna quit my job, I'm gonna, I'm gonna use all the resources in my bank account, family, because I am getting this business off the ground. And what I want to say is that as you're building your nonprofit and you're getting your 501, your nonprofit has to be your side hustle, not your main hustle for your bread and butter. Yeah, you know, a lot of times we quit our job and we, we get our nonprofit because we want to do for better good, and we should because we love what we do. It's our purpose and our passion. But we have to stop and think about home first. It's like, who is relying on you for your income? Who's relying on you? Do you have elderly parents? Do you have children?

Yeah.

Are you the primary breadwinner?

Yeah.

Please don't just go and quit your job or start— or get— start acting funky because you got your 501 on your job, right?

Right. Well, and I think also, you know, like, let's, let's just start right there with that point. So a lot of times people think, you know, like, I want to start a business, and they do— they take the steps that they need to in order to start a business. And I know everyone has heard this before, it takes money to make money. And when you run a nonprofit I think that is quite evident. So what's the easiest way to make money to help your nonprofit? And the easiest way to do that is to continue to do what you've been doing, right? Right. Yeah. And then invest in your— invest in your nonprofit.

Yeah. Yes. And you have to be— you're the first— you're the first volunteer, you're the first donor, right?. And so in order to be the first volunteer, the first donor, you have to have resources. And so you can't expect people to be your first donor, your first volunteer for your nonprofit, for your idea. And that's one of the things that I see a lot is so people get their nonprofit and I hear this a lot. It's okay, how do I get money? I'm online and I have— they've thrown up this donation button and they've thrown up, it says donate to my organization.

It's like, well, why? Right, right, right, right, right.

And so when it comes to hustling, you— it's when you talk about a hustler, a hustler is out there hustling. They're doing a lot of work and they're doing it themselves and they are getting it together. I remember when I started my nonprofit, girl, I was a hustler.

Yeah.

And back then in the day, I really don't even think we really use that term as a hustler, but we— I was hustling. I would work my full-time job during the day. I was here, I had a son, I was raising my son, and at night I would sit up and from like 10 o'clock to 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, I would be working on my nonprofit, get a few hours sleep, and then go back to my main job, right?

Yeah.

And even when I was working my main job, okay, I was doing a little hustling for my nonprofit during that time. It's like on my lunch break I would set up meetings. Yeah. I knew that I could not quit my job until I was able to replace my income that I had, right? Otherwise I, I personally would fail and my nonprofit wasn't going to get off the ground, right?

So I think too that that's a good point that you made right there as well. We sometimes, I think, in, in this, uh, what we call this first world, uh, first world scenarios, instant gratification is, you know, top of the list of things that we think we're entitled to. So we make a plan, we do our 501, and Let's even talk about that for one quick second. And let me just say, you do your 501, you really have done a lot of work because that's, that's a big hurdle to get over. So kudos to you who, you know, to those of you who do your 501s and get your nonprofits like at least established.

And I'm glad you said that. I am so glad you said that because I want to take a step back on for, for people when they're thinking about, I want to start a nonprofit. I hear, how can the government or someone give me money so I can start my nonprofit?

Yeah.

And it— now there's so much to this, and this is going to be a little long because we're taking a step back. Let's start at the beginning of your side hustle. So you're thinking, you know what, like everyone, every single business person said, you know what, I want to start a business. And some people are saying, I want to open up a store, I want a for-profit, I want to start a law firm, or I want to start a non- a 501 or whatever. But we all start with we have a passion, we have a purpose, and this is what we want to do. So there's no one really that's going to say to any business owner, oh, you want to do that? Well, let me pay for you to get your business license, right? Oh, you really want to start a business? Well, let me pay for you. That is where the money— the first part of your money comes from is when you need to start your 501. You can't expect anyone to give you money for you to start your business because this is what you're doing.

Right. And, uh, so I, I run a virtual assistant business, and fortunately for me, a virtual assistant business is very low overhead. But guess what? I still have to pay for internet. I have to build a website, you know. I have to get some, you know, a few office supplies and those sorts of things, do some marketing. There's money that I have to been, but there's no one I can reach out to to say, hey, can you give me, you know, like a grant for $5,000 to get my— not to get my virtual assistant business started? So you're absolutely right. There is what we call in doing business, there's something we call the cost of doing business.

That's right, that's right.

And getting your business started is the cost of doing business.

That's right. That's right. So when you start to form that entity, when you, when you go through all the steps to get your 501, that's you. That is you being the first donor. Now you may want to go borrow some money from someone, but what— I love the words you said, entitled. And some of us think, oh, I'm gonna start a nonprofit, I'm gonna help people, so I'm entitled for people to help me. It's like, no, this is something that you want to do. This is something that's— you're birthing out of yourself. So you need to come up out of yourself, come up yourself. And you can do things like— some people are like, I don't have any money to start a nonprofit. And then that's the thing, you know, we talk about our side hustle. It's like you got to have 2 or 3 hustles, right? Because you have your family, your, your core that you have to take care of that you're already working for. If you don't have this extra money, then you say you want to start a nonprofit, which is your side hustle, then you may have to have a side hustle to support your side hustle. And some of the things that I had to do for my side hustle to support my side hustle was I had to go out and sell candy. I got me some World Famous Chocolate Candy. I was, I was selling that candy to get the money that I needed to get my baby started, right?

Yeah.

So your nonprofit might not even be your first hustle, maybe your second side hustle. So you may need that first side hustle to get money for you if you really want to do this.

Yeah.

You know, this, this is not a, uh, no business is really that's any going to do any good and legitimate, any get-rich-quick scheme. I mean, get it done quick. And you may not even think of, oh, I'm gonna start my nonprofit as a scheme, because most people don't think it's a scheme. But there's no business that you're gonna— you're just gonna automatically just wake up one morning and say, okay, look, I got my tax ID or I got my business license, everybody give me money because what I'm doing is wonderful, right?

Okay, right. Yeah, right. I love this conversation because I think sometimes we do, you know, like even you and I, we get kind of caught up with the people who come to us with their great nonprofit ideas and we're like Yes, let's make this happen. And now I think that, you know, even part of our due diligence for them is to say, how are you going to afford to keep this going until you get it off the ground?

Right.

But, you know, and not that we're going to stop anyone, you know, like we're not policing you, but it's like it's a good big sister question to ask. To help you to think through these things as you're starting to get your nonprofit up and running. Yeah.

And you know, I don't hear a lot of people having these conversations, and that's why I like our— this podcast, but the Nonprofit DIY, you're going to do it yourself.

Yeah.

You know, we hear a lot of people saying, oh yeah, rah-rah, start this nonprofit, it's going to be easy, you get this grant money, you can get this, you can get that. But what I love about how this— for our podcast is set up is that we'll be talking about real 4 things. What it really takes to start a nonprofit, what it takes to keep it going. I've had a nonprofit for over 35 years, since 1987, and what did it take to get it started, and what is it taking me today to keep it going after all these years? And these are the things that people need to know, the real about starting and building a nonprofit and doing good. It is wonderful to do good. It is wonderful, but it's a hustle, right? When you're first starting, it is a hustle, and you may hustle for 1 year, you may hustle for 5 years.

Right.

You know, there's some people that are still hustling after 10 years to get their nonprofit off the ground, right?

Right. And, and that is another good point to make too. Um, we always— we're taught as kids not to compare ourselves to others, and it's really hard to do, especially if you are a sibling. You know, you can't help but to compare yourself to, well, why does she get that and I didn't get that, or whatever. Everybody's business is going to look different, so don't sit and compare your business to somebody else's business or even expect to have what someone else has, you know, because each business is different, right?

And your hustle with their hustle. You know, I had a, a lady when I was building my nonprofit, they was building theirs too, right? And they were like, well, I'm, I'm doing all this and I'm doing all that, and we were all hustling. And fortunately, I was one that was more successful, right? And but we were all hustling. So you can't expect your hustle to be like someone else. All our hustles are the same. So why they're like, I'm hustling through the day, why I hustled all night long when everybody's still sleeping. I'm up hustling.

Right?

And so you have to look at what you're willing to do. You know, sometimes like, oh, I'm so tired. But then one of the things that I didn't do when I was doing all that hustling, it was I wasn't taking care of myself. I was working my job, I was taking care of— I was taking care of myself financially, right? Because I knew I had to do that. I needed to keep a roof over my head, by my son's head, and food in our mouths. But I wasn't taking care of myself, uh, mentally and emotionally and physically, right? I wasn't working out. I wasn't meditating, which has taken me years to learn how to meditate. I'm just getting that meditating now, which I wish I would have known it throughout the whole process, you know. I wasn't eating right. So there's things that we need to do as we're doing our side hustle, and there's so many things that we could do while we're doing our side hustle to help us build so many different things. What you mentioned was, you're like, you know what, when I— when I'm doing my, uh, my business, I got to get my website up.

Right?

And that's something can cost you pennies on the dollar. Yeah, you don't have to wait till you get somebody to give you money. And I'm going to be honest with you, if you don't have money to get your 501, if you don't have money to get your website, if you don't have money to start your social media, I wouldn't recommend you starting your nonprofit right now. I would recommend you saying, okay, you know, I'm gonna put this on the back burner, I'm gonna make sure I get enough money. Because one of the things that we do when we get our nonprofit status is we get out there and we start telling people, oh, I'm, I'm a nonprofit. No, you're You got a piece of paper that says you have a 501. You're really— you, you have a legal formation, but you're not an entity yet, right? And what you don't want to do is get out there and start telling people in the community that you're here, this is what you do, and you have this whole long list of things that you say you're doing. Yeah, you're not doing any of them. You start losing credibility. And so one thing, as you're doing your side hustle, you have to really think about how am I going to do this, because I got people to know, love, and trust me in the process.

Yeah.

And you have to— and that, that takes time to build that. So you may get your 501, and that side hustle may just be, I'm just going to go to a couple meetings and just sit. Even before you get your 501, I would just go to the community and just sit and survey and see what's going on and start building relationships.

Yeah.

And that right there, it could be the first tiny part of your, your hustling for your nonprofit is getting out there in your community and seeing really what's going on.

Yeah, and also that helps too, uh, because there'll come a point in time when we'll talk about grant writing, and you need to know the people you're serving like, you know, whatever it is you know about yourself very well. I, I like that Bible verse that says a man will look at himself in the mirror and then turn around and forget what he looks like, you know. But it's like you want to remember what you look like so when you know, your doppelganger shows up in front of you, you go like, oh my gosh, you look just like me, because you know what you look like. But that's also how you need to be about your, your audience that you're serving, the, the people who are in the community that you've decided you want to reach out to. You need to know them very well. So that's an excellent way to get to know them, start being— becoming a part of the community Joining community activities, hear what the community is shouting about that they need the most, you know. Awesome, that's awesome.

Yeah, and so, and another thing that, uh, could be really good when you're starting as this being your side hustle— we talk about that second side hustle while you're working your job— if you don't have experience or know what's going on in the community, you may want to volunteer for another organization, or you may want to get a part-time job or a sometime job at another organization so you can see what it's like and what it's doing, especially if you don't have any experience in the nonprofit arena. Um, and I, I know I've worked in the nonprofit arena a lot, um, for doing various different things, and so I was able to see what they were doing, um, and get my— get my building my feet wet as I was doing, because I didn't just get my nonprofit status and be like, booyah, I got my nonprofit. It took me years before I was able to really get it, get my foothold and get it off the ground, because life happens while you're living, right? Yeah. And so sometimes while you're living and you're hustling, you got to put that to the side, put your side hustle to the side, and really focus on your main thing. So what I really want to encourage people to do— and Antonette, I know you have stories when you started your, your virtual assistant business, you were still working your job.

Yeah.

So you didn't just say, oh, okay, I'll be a virtual assistant, I'm going to quit my job, you know. Um, and you have to get customers to know, like, and trust you and want to work with you. Yeah, right. And that's the same thing. And I think what we do, um, which is a no— a misnomer, is that a nonprofit is a—

it's—

as we talk about, it's a business. But the difference between a nonprofit and a for-profit is the tax status.

Yeah.

But you still have to do the exact same things you need to do for a for-profit. The difference is, is the money— where the money's coming from. You get money from donors Or you get money from investors, right? Investors usually invest in the for-profit, donors for the nonprofits. Like, how do you get donors? And getting donors for something that you don't have established is hard because at least with the for-profit, they can say, hey, if you give me X amount of dollars, this is what your return on your money is going to be, right? As getting donors, there's no return on their money. Only they think that they can see is that your organization is going to be doing a great job. Yeah, but if you haven't established anything but you got a piece of paper— so many people got a piece of paper that says they have a nonprofit or they have a good idea. People can say, you know what, oh, that's a good idea you have, well, can you give me money? No, I can take my money, I give it to the church because I see what they're— that they're doing something more than just having a piece of paper. So it takes a while to build your nonprofit. So please, please do not think that as soon as you get your nonprofit status that some people do it, that you're going to automatically be able to quit your job and you're going to be able to get money instantly and start building your nonprofit.

Okay, nonprofit. I'm sorry to talk over you just that second, Vanessa, but, um, that's a very good point that when you get that, that status, some people are able to just quit their jobs and jump in. I bet if you survey those people, they have banked enough money from that first job, you know, to be able to support this side hustle, to now make this side hustle their main thing. They've banked enough money. So you're absolutely right. I started my business in '99 and I worked a part-time job. I worked actually two part-time jobs, and I did my business part-time. And then one day, just like you said, my business grew enough that I didn't need the second part-time job. So I left the second part-time job, kept the main, you know, kept the, the one part-time job, and started growing this business to the point that I actually converted one of my, my last part-time employer into a client. Okay. And converted them into a client. And then that was when I jumped into this both feet. But, you know, business ebbs and flows. So when the economy is great, my business is awesome. As soon as we get a little bit on that shaky downward slope, my business starts to fill it. So I mean, this is— this may be a little advanced for just the, you know, beginning side hustle conversation, but so how do you— and we'll talk about this in another podcast— but how do you now save, plan for when you are in the business and you put all your eggs in this basket. Now we'll, we'll talk about that, like, okay, now all your eggs in the basket, how do you plan and keep this thing afloat when the economy or the funding starts to, you know, become questionable?

Yes. So yes, because when I know— I remember in 2009, 2009 when the crash hit.

Yeah.

A lot of nonprofits, they lost money. I know our nonprofit had a line of credit with the bank. The bank's like, thank you, we're taking this back. And everybody started taking everything back. It's like, okay, what do we do, you know? Yeah. So, but so when you're thinking about and you're starting a nonprofit, you have to have a plan. And please don't let your plan be your, your, your savings, right? You know, don't, don't deplete all your savings.

Yeah.

On your nonprofit, because you— it's like an investor. There's not— you're not going to get a return on your money. Okay, immediately you're going to feel good, which is nice, but you don't want to be in the position as the people that you're trying to help. If you're helping homeless people, you don't want to be homeless. Yeah, you know, so, and then you don't want it to put a strain on your relationships. So sometimes we're like, you know what, my husband's taking care of me, we got money, I'm going to use it to build your nonprofit. But sometimes it's honestly, sometimes when you first start your nonprofit, it's a money pit. Yeah, you're gonna keep putting money in, and you're going to keep putting money, and you're going to keep putting money, and you may not see a return on your money. So some of the things that's really important and that we work on in the club is people say, how do I get donors? You have to cultivate donors. You have to make sure you have a product or a service that is appealing to a donor. Just like an investor, the donor wants to know, prove to me that my money is going towards good, because there's 1.25+ million organizations in the United States alone, right, that I can possibly give to that's already doing good, that I can see my money. So it's going to take a little bit of time for you to build that know, like, and trust. And so being part of that hustle may just be, like we talked about earlier, getting out there and getting people to know, like, and trust you and to hear about your organization. But don't just step out there asking them for money because A nonprofit goal is more than just asking for money, right? Provide the service and then the money will— it's going to come, you know. And then another thing, I know I talk— I could talk about this forever because I love nonprofits, I love the work, I— this is, this is my jam right here. Another thing that I would recommend, I know when I end up getting my first grant, I was working and I was working a full-time job and I learned how to write grants and, uh, as on the side, not my job, on my side now. I was working for a nonprofit and they were kind of nasty, especially when you have a— you're not working in whatever, okay? They're kind of— they were really kind of thinking that, uh, I wasn't as competent, right? So they would never give me these big assignments. So I was like, cool, I didn't want it anyway because, you know, I'm over here and I'm doing this and they're nonprofit. So I end up leaving and wrote a grant. So, you know, nonprofits always need grants, right? So after I left and my nonprofit started growing big, the president of the company reached out to me and he said, well, why didn't you tell me you had these skills when you were here? We really could have used you. Can you come?

No, right?

But what I could have done, and what you may think about doing, is this: if you want to learn how to write grants and you're working for a nonprofit, go to them and say, you know, I would love to learn how to write grants and be a part of your grant writing team. Okay? And then depending on the relationship you have with them— one of my employers knew that I was starting my nonprofit, and the president would let me come and talk to her about it. This is another job, not the one that said, well, you, you had these skills, right? And she would let me come and she would talk to me about it because she's the one that started her nonprofit. So she kind of took to me. But you can say, you know what, I would love to write a grant. I have this nonprofit on the side that I'm working on and I'm going to— I wanted to grow. You could be very transparent with— so I would love to write grants and I would love to write my organization in as a partnership with your organization because this is what I do. So you're writing a grant for them and a little bit of the money is going to go to your organization, which depends on the relationship that you built with them. But you want to be transparent.

I'm gonna stop Vanessa right there because Vanessa is getting deep, y'all. And sorry, and I'm gonna tell you, that right there was a gold nugget. If you didn't catch it, you better, you know, like write it down. That's a gold nugget. But we're going to cover that in a later podcast.

Yes, we are. The things that you can do, we got some nuggets, I'm telling you guys. Got some nuggets that you all can take, but it takes time and it takes that know, like, and trust.

Yeah. And so I want to just kind of go back and wrap up what we're saying to you today. So this will kind of be like the Cliff Notes of our conversation for today. You're starting your nonprofit. There are hurdles you're going to have to jump over in order to start, starting with your 501, you know, setting up your website. Those are at least, at the least, the two things you must do when you start your nonprofit. The first advice we give you, or suggestion we've made to you tonight, is if you don't have the funds to either do the 501 paperwork you don't have the funds to do the website, we're recommending that you reconsider starting your nonprofit. If you decide to go forward, we are here for you. We support you 100%. This is not a do as I say, do, and then we're here to help you. That's not, that's not who we are. So if you decide to start your nonprofit, Anyway, know that we have a Nonprofit Founders Club, and Vanessa will put the link at the bottom of this, um, video. The Nonprofit Founders Club is there for you. It will help you to, uh, get— it will help you to, um, I lost my train of thought, but anyway, it's there for you to help you answer questions, give you all the support that you need. The second thing that we're also suggesting to you is just to remember that starting a business does not guarantee you will be making money in that business right away. So we're telling you, hold on to your money-making job while you build your nonprofit. So that's why we call it Make Your Nonprofit Your side hustle. Do what you have to do. You heard Vanessa give examples of, you know, working full-time during the day, getting the work done she needed to take care of her family, and then spending her nights and early mornings working on her side hustle. And now you can look at Vanessa and you can see Vanessa is the, um You can see Vanessa is the, uh, poster child for it works. She did that side hustle, she made that nonprofit her side hustle for several years, and then she was able to transform that baby into it being her main thing. 30— what did you say, Vanessa? Like 33 years?

35 plus years.

35 plus years.

Yes, because the more years I count, the older I start aging myself. People like, she's what?

So I— so we just are encouraging you that, you know, there are tools, there are people, we're here for you, um, to help you to get your nonprofit off the ground. But we're also encouraging you to Don't throw, uh, don't just throw yourself completely into your nonprofit and think, oh, I got that paper, I'm not a nonprofit, the money is going to come.

No, no. Yes, and, and think of things that you can do, you know, think of things that you can do, but don't put put your stuff— this is going to be a very challenging, rewarding journey. It's going to be rewarding, um, depending on how you, how you internalize it. It's going to be a journey you're going to be on, and so you don't want the journey to be stressful and add any more stress than necessary. So when you start spending your money, all your money, depleting your account, um, you know, letting it affect your families, you don't want to do that. But you want to be able to hustle, baby. I'm telling you, it's a side hustle. It's a fun hustle. It's a side hustle. There's so much to do, there's so much to learn, and you can do it. Yeah, and enjoy it along the way. You know, I'm a hustler, baby, you know. And, uh, and it's good because you're going to be helping people and you're going to be teaching people what they need to do to get their lives into better. And that's what we want to do, and that's what I want to do. I want to take all my years of experience and show you how to do it, but I want you to take the baby steps. Don't just jump in because So many— now I look online, and because I love nonprofits, I look online at the IRS and I see all these new nonprofits close, close, close, close, or they get their 501 revoked, revoked, revoked, revoked, revoked. So what I want to suggest— I have so many suggestions for you, but this is one thing that I really want to suggest to you. Whether you did the nonprofit paperwork yourself, whether you had someone else to do it for you, go back and learn what it's all about, because you want to really understand the legal mumble jumble. You don't want to be shaking, shaking your head, you're talking about what? And you don't want out there and do things wrong that you shouldn't be doing as a nonprofit. And when people ask you, you want to be— you want to know what is all a nonprofit entails, not just you got a free paper and people give you free donations. Like, what is the legalities of the nonprofit? What is it that I can do? What is the true benefit of it? What's the benefit of it for me? What's the benefit of it for my board? The board is so powerful. So I'm not going to get into all of that here. I think I'm excited about the new podcast. It's called Nonprofit DIY, Do It Yourself. A lot of times you're going to be hearing from Antoinette and I. Sometimes you're going to be hearing from me. I'm going to give you, um, snippets. Our podcast is usually 30 minutes to an hour long. We're going to have guests on here sometimes because we want you to learn. And it's going to be talking about technology, your board of directors, your books, your, your QuickBooks, your financial books, whatever books you're going to use to keep everything legitimate. So there's going to be so much that's going to be on our podcast, and we're excited that we're able to be able to do this. So grow— we're growing. This is our— we're growing, and we want you to grow with us as we build our Nonprofit DIY, because you're going to be doing it yourself. Even when you're 35-plus years old in your nonprofit, there's still things that you are going to be doing it yourself. You're gonna be like, forget it. You know how you hear people say, if you want it done, do it yourself? Yeah, you're still gonna be doing it yourself. So don't, don't think you're gonna have people helping you, but you're still going to be doing a lot of it yourself. So don't think— a lot of people think, oh, I'm gonna start my nonprofit and it's my last. A lot of people think, okay, but today this is my last. A lot of people think, I'm gonna start my nonprofit, I'm gonna get all this money, I'm gonna have all these people doing all this work for me, or I'm gonna have the board doing it and I don't want to do— I'm not going to be doing nothing. Because it's going to be so big, I'll be making all this money. You can make some money though. You can make money. You can get a paycheck. So anyway, that's another story.

Yes, I go on. Vanessa keeps giving away all our goodies. All right, so we enjoyed, um, spending this time with you. Um, enjoy the rest of your Saturday or Monday or Tuesday, whatever day it is you're listening to this. Enjoy the rest of your day, and we'll be back next week.

Yes. And as you look on the, on the, um, the link, I put our Facebook group. It's called Nonprofit Empowerment. It's a free group. Come on in and join us. Uh, we'll be talking about different things. And let us know what type of things that you would love to hear on the podcast. Some things I'm going to be doing at the end, and I wish I had— let me see if I can pull one out real quick. I'm gonna ask Antoinette a question. Okay, I have these cards. What is the last thing you took a picture of?

Um, I'm sure it was probably myself. Um, we did, uh, my husband and I went to the— we live in Maryland— we went to the Maryland Chicken Wing Festival. Festival, and we were encouraged by the, um, uh, the band. We were listening to a local band play, and we were encouraged by them to take a selfie with the band in the background and then hashtag them on Facebook. And so I'm a very compliant kid, and I did exactly that. So, all right, that would have been the last thing I took a picture of. How about you, Vanessa?

The last thing I took a picture was, was this morning. I have a huge dog who— she's just turned 10 months today and weighs way over 100 pounds. And so she jumped up on the bed with me. Then I have another one that weighs about 7 pounds and she jumped up on the bed. And so the big one is laying on my lap and the little one is there next to me and I'm sitting on the bed and I'm like— and they're both asleep. And I took a picture of that.

Oh, that's a good—

me and my fur babies.

Yeah, yes, excellent. Well, share with us what was the last thing you took a picture of. That would be fun to hear, right?

So go on over to the group, sign up to be a member of our Nonprofit Empowerment Group where we empower you, and let us know what was the last thing you took a picture of. Yeah, so thank you, and, uh, we will see you on our next podcast.

Yep.

Or we'll see you in the club.

That's right.