Can Near-Infrared Light Repair Your DNA? The Science Behind Infrared Saunas

The sun can actually satisfy up to 70% of your caloric needs.

Light is feeding us or we're being starved from it.

The average American gets like five, seven minutes of sunlight a day now, like just going out to the car, basically going to work. And we know that we're beings of light. We're supposed to get this big dose of near infrared light from the sun every day. What I'm doing in sauna space is a recreation of basically our experience with the sun, but I call it the firelight spectrum. So it's the sun without ultraviolet light and blue light, extremely high frequency, high energy, down damaging wavelengths.

It's the closest thing we can get to a fire without actually lighting a flame.

Because of the light and the heat and the peace that is in there, you begin to remember, wow, I'm healthy. And your mind starts to heal and you become more clear.

So DNA creates light. Go into that a little bit. Because the body is literally and figuratively emitting light.

Light, the light of nature is, is the sun. It's incandescent light. It's light that comes in this distribution of different wavelengths that we were biologically programmed to, to love and enjoy. And so what I've done is I've said, let's, let's try to use light as natural as possible and keep it incandescent so that there's like, just like the sun, there's a little bit of red, a lot of near infrared, which seems to be probably the most magical part of the sun's spectrum. But there's also mid infrared and far infrared. So our bulbs, you know, there's kind of this misnomer that maybe we didn't discuss much in our last podcast that people are like, there's this really silly argument near for infrared, far infrared, like, which, you know, like, especially in the sauna world, it's so crazy how it's gotten. And the fact of the matter is our bulbs also emit far infrared. It's like 15 or 20% of it. So there's, there's a component of that because just like the sun, there's a component of far infrared. It's just that with our bulbs, just like the sun, there's more near infrared. But it's not like we don't have far infrared or we're, you know, we in the electric light bath side of, of sauna and light therapy, we don't have far infrared. We have that as well. Uh, it's just in a natural proportion that matches the light of nature. So, and that's in contrast to I, what I would call the Matrix light, the artificial light.

And this is where you talked about earlier, people choosing the AI artificial or the Divine God Spark.

And that's the beauty of, of free will is, is you get to choose. You can plug into the Matrix. And we need to have, or I should say we ought to have a compassion for those people. That's their sole contract. They've chosen in this lifetime to like plug in, play Fortnite, not worry about things. And, and, and, and that's okay, you know, we're not judging them. There's no need to judge anyone at all for anything. I though, choose to be more aware, to be more aligned with as much as I can be with the divine side of myself. And, and with that comes responsibility. It is absolutely an attraction. So you become attracted to high frequency practices and things like that. And the more you increase your frequency and expand your consciousness, everything that's low frequency and is not aligned with that becomes more and more starkly clear and in opposition to what you want to do. And you just look at those things, you're like, oh my God, goodness, I'm absolutely not doing that anymore. And, and then you look at other people and, and, and you have to check yourself and have compassion because like, you know, you can look at other people. Why are they playing Fortnite so much? You know, like, why are they eating like that? Yeah, and it's because they're, you know, they're in, they're plugged in.

We'll go, okay, we'll go right back to the DNA and the light connection. But what inside of you or what along your journey has allowed you to. When you see someone that's hurting themselves or other people and you know, because of the stage of consciousness that you're at, what makes you choose compassion over judgment in that moment?

Well, this is a lot of, you know, a lot of ancient teachings here. I think people can just start out with the four agreements. You know, if you want to really keep it simple, that's great. It's wasted energy there. There's no value or benefit that comes from judgment. And the judgment, what the judgment is, is its attachment. You're attaching importance to their actions as it relates to you and your reality. You're looking at them and Johnny, you shouldn't be doing that. You know, and like sometimes I look at my family members and you know, I still, I still sometimes have this tendency for sure. But then I'm like, you know, they're. My judgment doesn't help them at all. But my compassion can. It can provide a vehicle for them to feel and experience, hey, there might be something else out there. And so I have a lot of compassion. You know, I may make some jokes about it or laugh about it or. But mostly I live in my own reality where I don't do that. And I stand as, like, a quiet example of a different choice that they can make. Maybe it's still a challenge. I still get tripped up sometimes, especially with my mom and my dad, probably more than anything else. But, yeah, like, I don't need their validation. I'm. I'm there to love them and to. To express them, how proud I am of them and how grateful I am for them. My mom calls me her. Her greatest investment. And so I'm. I'm there showing her how much her investment is paying off and. And giving her the love that she deserves and really wants. That's all they want. All our parents really want is to be loved by us and. And, like, respected and honored and accepted.

For who they are with all of.

Their projections, all of their weird.

Their stuff they got from your grandparents. Yeah. As well.

And. And. And. And it's a beautiful thing. And so it's. It is kind of this leap. Like, I love what you said, you know, spend a week with your family to really, really test yourself. You. You get there and. And you realize how beautiful it is to. To even with them, just be yourself.

Well, let's go back to the light, because you are a man of light. And also, Sauna Space is my favorite light. It's actually in the studio right here. It's on the screen right now for y' all to check out. So there's a rebrand. There's probably came from some of the downloads you got.

I'd love to talk about this. So in the greater context of personal versus work and company, life versus personal life. Because work is this silly label that's, like, pregnant with all this meaning.

I hate that word.

And it's like, you know, I know. It makes me want to vomit. Work is not that. When I'm at Sauna Space. Sauna Space. Everything that people would call work or call my corporate life is just an extension of me. It's me. I'm me. I'm. It's me, Brian. I'm here with you now. And when I go over there, it's still me. And so the whole company is an extension of my consciousness that actually now has its own consciousness. Like, she's definitely. She's still growing and evolving and maybe not quite mature yet, but.

So it's your, it's your daughter or it's the female side of you.

She's definitely. Yeah, she definitely has a feminine. Feminine archetype. I mean, come on, Josh. After 12 years? Yeah, she's definitely one of my children.

Okay, so do you feel that the company is your child as an extension of you?

In a sense. In a sense, but it's also an extension of me, you know, as an adult, you know, as a, as a, like a fully sentient self aware being.

Yeah.

So the rebrand, what I've been working on for a year, is really an. A deep, complex consciousness expansion of the company. And, and it started out with sort of. We are. If you look at the biohacking space and a lot of the wellness companies, there's a lot of masculinity. There's a lot of like hyper masculinity. Honestly, a focus on like benefits. Like take this supplement or get this tool, like to, to get, you know, you, you gotta do this and go out to get X, Y and Z benefits. It's very transactional. It's, it's very like strong and I would say masculine in sort of the language of it.

Maybe it didn't help that Ben Greenfield was putting red light on his. That probably didn't help the narrative of biohacking.

Well, well, yeah, just the, the whole idea that you need to do, do you know, for your health.

Yeah.

And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, no, like, that's not what I did. My healing story was, you know, I built my electric light bath and all that. I didn't do anything other than build it. I just sat in there and I was just being. So I go in the sauna and I be. I don't do. And when you be, you step out of sort of the, the left brain and the transactional 3D world and you step into the infinite, into the divine side of things where we have all the things that we need to be happy and healthy inside. Like biologically, physiologically, it's all about maintaining and advancing and, and honing that harmony that we have internally and externally. And so I was like, you know, the language is not right. And so I went on this journey and I worked with a couple really smart, cool people to help me redevelop the identity of the company and the personality of it. So we worked on new messaging that is much more heart focused, you know, the explaining the science. Yes, people understand the science now and they know our product works. But what people want to Know is like, how is this relevant to me? How is this not just going to make me like, improve my health? How is this going to make me feel better? How is this going to change my experience and my outlook so that it will help me enjoy the things that I actually care about? You know, and so there's this like, work that I did for a whole year and developing new messaging that's more heart focused, more conscious, more validating of the internal perfection that we have. Like, you're not broke and we're not trying to fix you. We're just trying to help you remember you're a being of light. You have this amazing healing systems, like in the mitochondria and the cells, they work amazing. They just need a little bit of light, sound and symbols. And so for me, I focus a lot on the light aspect of that.

So it went from Photon to Glow.

And yeah, so we changed Glow. Yeah, I, we changed some of the names to be just more, more Saxon basically, and more, more warm and, and, and fuzzy and more feminine maybe a little bit, but not just Femme. You know, it's not like the brand is maybe leaning towards that, but really the, the goal was balance, you know, balance. It's all about balance between masculine and feminine and the harmony and the sacred union of the two. So the Photon, I came up with that name. It's very scientific, you know, it's very nerdy. And we decided to shift that to the glow because the, the light is not just this, this art, our portable light product is not just sort of delivering this light therapy. It's this presence, you know, that you have. It's the glow of the fire that you bring. So people use it, you know, for targeted therapy and for, for localized relief. But just as much, maybe more people use it to enhance their indoor environment, you know, for morning reset, for beautiful clean light after dark, for. For screen fatigue, you know, for all this crazy matrix light that we have, like correcting that so we can not be so crazy indoors, you know, when we're working at the screens all day long. So we changed that to the glow. The sauna panel used to be the tungsten. Also very nerdy. We shifted that to the hearth. And I love this word because it's Earth. It's such a beautiful old word.

Makes me want to drink cocoa by a fireplace.

I know we all used to have hearths. So that's what's also cool about some of the rebrand is a whole shift in the education of what people do with our products, not just what they used to do, but what they're doing now. So people have our hearth, like, on our pedestal or. Or just. Or. Or without. But they have it in the living room as a hearth.

Yeah.

Outside of the sauna, they have it as this. This, like, light, this fireplace firelight experience they have. You know, it's super convenient. You just plug it in and having a living room to replace the. And. And recreate that experience of the hearth that everybody had, you know, for thousands of years, even before homes, you know, with the fire outside. But everybody had a fireplace and a stove.

Yeah.

And that's all gone nowadays. So we're bringing that back. And not just the experience of it, but the therapy of it, too. You know, the. The. The nervous system relaxation that comes with the. With the firelight and the connection, you know, like, that's why they call a fireside chat, that it's where you go to talk.

It.

Light opens us up, so the light brings us back into ourselves. And the sauna experience, you know, does that. Like, you can go into the sauna space and the thoughts just kind of melt and you go, boom. You get grounded back into yourself. Whoa. I'm totally a being of light. And this feels amazing. And I'm amazing.

Yeah. The best way to do it is without your phone. Because a few times I've taken my phone in there and I'm like, wait. I'm kind of, like, getting away from the whole purpose of this. Let me just leave my phone outside of it. It's crazy. I sent you a photo of this, and I don't know if you remember, but. But my daughter Nya was born, and she had jaundice, and we had taken a couple of the lights out there, and so we were. I had her. Her mom hold the light above Nya. And this ain't medical advice, y'.

All. Right.

But this is just my own anecdotal experience. I swear that it helped her. I swear. Because it was 9,000ft, I had to get an oxygen saturator for Kerry Michelle going through delivery like it was wild, man.

I remember the photo.

Yeah, you remember the photo, right? So. So we used the light, that incandescent glow, to help her get through the jaundice. And, you know, in my heart of hearts, I know it helped. I'm 100% positive that it helped. And it's not just that it helps people heal. Like you said, it sets a vibration. So if somebody's looking to maybe feng shui their space or just create a space that's more warm and Inviting for you and your guests in your home. I mean, every single morning. In our old house, we had the sauna space. Actually our second sauna space. My son broke the bulb, so I get to get a new bulb from you. But we had in the living room. And so instead of a fireplace, because we can't necessarily burn fire in our home, that's not safe, right? There'd be like fire concerns. It's the closest thing we can get to a fire without actually lighting a flame. And I think that's the coolest part about this because there's so many benefits that not just from a conversation perspective where we used to congregate around the fire, right? The hearth. What are some of the other ways that it brings people together not just with themselves, but with their families. The cat, we have Cleo, she loves to sit by the light as well. There's gotta be something to that. There's so many ways that you could describe this, but on a high level, if somebody doesn't know anything about the hearth or this firelight, what are a few of the benefits to creating that good vibe in your space?

Well, one of them is that it's something else that you can do besides watching TV in the evening. So when we watch TV in the evening, we're literally plugging into the programming of the Matrix in whatever way or form. And that the, that's a big loss because the evening, especially for, for modern Western families where either one or both parents work, that is the time to reconnect. And I think people gravitate towards like phones and TVs because they're so stressed out and they're using that as this like stress release mechanism that is more dopamine related. And like short term, like it's getting you, it's stimulating you in a different way and it's still keeping you in kind of fight or flight. But it has an addictive aspect of it too, that people get used to that. So instead do this, you know, sit in front of the hearth and you, you're stimulating, you're stimulating the connection piece of yourself. You know, you're reminding yourself that I am a being of frequency. We're like, we're subject to frequencies. That's why the sun heals us and why we have all this amazing, actually frequency technology nowadays in, in the wellness space that actually works because we're subject to frequency and so we can use these subtle frequencies, this electromagnetism, to, to calm our nervous system and to open us up and get us out of our thoughts. And ease like stress and, and things like that. And more than anything, I think it helps remind you to just be yourself. And when you're being yourself and you're, you're a loving father and you have a family and, and like, you know, what could be a better use of your time than to sit there and, you know, connect with each other in the evening? So I, all of that kind of slowly happens, you know, once you, you bring this light into your home.

I remember when I was growing up, my grandparents had a red light in the ceiling in their bath, like a heat lamp. Right. But your tech is way different. So for somebody that looks at it and they go, I could build that myself. I could just go to Home Depot and get a red light bulb or. Which is, by the way, mostly led. Which led? That's a whole nother topic we can get into. This is very different technology. There's just something, the way you made, something about the way you made the bulb that allows for this healing capacity to come through. How did you design the bulb?

Yeah, I mean, the whole, the product from the top down was, is really intentionally designed to recreate this ancestral experience with light that we used to have and also be really, really calming and healing and balancing to like all the cells of the body and all the organs of the body and the whole holistically like us as an organism and also us as like multi, multi dimensional, amazing star beings. So, yeah, the bulb was like a four year development to redesign the filament to emit more light therapy. So to get to a higher Kelvin, that's like a little bit closer to what the sun does spectrally.

And what is a Kelvin?

Kelvin's a unit of temperature. It's a scientific unit of temperature. So the filament inside runs hotter than a normal heat lamp and that shifts the spectrum into more high frequency. So we get more near infrared and a little bit more red, but mostly more near infrared as compared to the standard incandescent bulb of old, like what Dr. Kellogg used 120 years ago in his electric light bath when he invented this concept, you know, in the early 20th century. We talked about that in the last podcast.

Yeah, I think 700,000 or 800,000 people saw the clip about you talking about sauna. Just that clip alone. So we know people are hungry for this, but many people are like, well, I'll just go make it myself. It's just not the case.

Well, yeah, I mean, you can. That's what I did 10, 10 or 12 years ago. What we offer, though, Is Yeah, is this 12 years of purpose driven design to create this experience that's really turnkey and easy for people to use. They don't have to think about it. And the approach, there's a lot of design considerations like with electromagnetic shielding because man made EMFs, some types like electricity, Wi Fi and Bluetooth are really toxic to us. That's also part of the matrix and the programming is that stuff. It's like the blue light and the 5G. So we've taken great measure to keep that out of the experience. And then the rest of it, you know, we're, we like beauty, humans like beauty. It's again like we don't. I don't want to just take a supplement to improve my health. I want to do something that also feels good and like is aligned spiritually. And so I want to be, when I do my sauna, I want to be in this like maximally nervous system relaxing experience where there's no distractions, there's no Bluetooth audio or anything like that. There's no track lighting and no LED stuff and there's no artificial light. And it allows me to maximally go within and activate this unlimited cellular like technology that we have inside. So. So yeah, the whole concept has developed over time, you know, is definitely what I, what I make now is kind of what have I envisioned and dreamed in the beginning and it took a long time to get there about. But the experience is really different than other saunas. Yeah, it makes you sweat so fast that people don't have so much time for anything anymore. And a regular sauna has to use the air to heat you up. So regular saunas, you preheat in an hour, you get in there for like, you know, 40 minutes to an hour. It takes, it's like a two hour time investment. So what I mentioned before in the last podcast is that you increase your health span, right. You reduce your risk of dying of all things non trauma related if you use sauna, ideally probably three times a week. So if it's a six hour investment per week, there's a lot of people are going to be turned off by that. With my sauna and especially our new super auna, that's a seven bulb system, it's a 15 minute session with no preheating. So I think almost everybody has time for that. And then when you get in there and there's the EMF shielding and the Faraday liner and like the light, it becomes a very transcendental experience. It's not just about healing, it's it's very meditative. It's a perfect opportunity to do some breath work if you, if you like that kind of stuff. I usually put on some kind of healing frequency. Lately I've been putting on ho'. Oponopono. It's a lovely, lovely.

I just got back from Maui. I'm all about.

Yeah, you're all about that.

I'm all about it.

I recommend that to everybody. It's really fun to listen to.

Yeah.

But yeah, you get in there and there's, there's so many different things going on that are healing you. You know, the, the disharm. We talk about health being the harmony in the internal external environment. The, the wellness of ourselves. The, the physiological component is the base of that, but it's also the most basic aspect. The emotional and energetic healing, as you know, is perhaps the most important things that are like challenges in our journey of health is like resolving those emotional and energetic things. And you can actually do that also in the sauna, like because of the light and the heat and the peace that is in there. It's bringing you back into yourself. The grounding mat like grounds you really, really awesomely. And you, you begin to remember, wow, I'm healthy. And your mind starts to heal and you become more clear. You know, you become more high frequency. Like we were talking before, when you're more high frequency, your awareness increases. Increases of what's aligned with your highest and best self. And then it really gives you the fuel to like begin to change other things in your life. You know, whether it's diet or lifestyle or maybe just like how you talk to your loved ones. You know, it really has this multifaceted effect on your health that happens over time. So if you go to our website and you look at some of our reviews, they're. They're just shocking. Some of them, they're. None of them are like it came quickly and arrived on time. They're all like these really life changing stories. Now it's not the only thing, but it is. We know that S is a fundamental tool for wellness in our crazy toxic world. And we know that we're beings of light. We're supposed to get this big dose of near infrared light from the sun every day. And with the modern lifestyle not getting enough sunlight, I think the average Western or the average American gets like five, seven minutes of sunlight a day now, like just going out to the car, basically going to work. We're really deprived of the things that keep us really resilient and also allow us to be really high Frequency and really multi dimensional.

Well, everybody knows that vitamin D is important, but when you take vitamin D, even if it's liposomal, it's different than when you get it through the photoreceptors on your skin. Oh, 100% science on that is really.

Yeah, yeah. And the melatonin too is really interesting. So melatonin is the body's number one antioxidant and in all the cells of the body. And the number one way that it's produced is it's not blood based from the pineal gland being released at the end of the day. It's absolutely made in the cell by a near infrared light. So the light of the sun literally fills our antioxidant reserves constantly, daily. And you can't get that effect with ingestible melatonin because it doesn't like go in as well into the mitochondria. There's something special about how the light creates it in, in, inside, deep in the cell that really activates and increases the, the, the production of cellular melatonin.

Do you know what that special is when it, when it comes to sublingual, even liposomal vitamin D versus photo receptors through the sun? Do you know the difference between the two or three? It's just special.

Well, I'm talking about melatonin and then, and then near infrared light. The vitamin D though, there's definitely, I'm not as familiar with that science, but the vitamin D is an interesting thing because yes, it's very important to get it from the sun, but the, the vitamin D comes from uvb, so ultraviolet light that's also ionizing, so it's also mutagenic, it damages our DNA at the same time. But you know, when we get sunlight, we get a little bit of that ultraviolet, we get the vitamin D benefit, get some mute DNA oxidation that's going on. But then the near infrared mitochondrial stimulation is going on at the same time and the melatonin's there as this antioxidant. So you got this, all this antioxidant production and you have literally the, the effects of light therapy of photobiomodulation. One of them is to correct gene transcription so to correct how the DNA is read. So the DNA and the epigenetics are being fixed in a much more powerful way than they're being damaged by, by the, by the sunlight, by the ultraviolet component of the sunlight. So we get that balance. But indoors, you know, with the, with the matrix light, it's only damaging light. There's none of the healing light anymore. So to bring ourselves back into balance, we need to figure out a way to get a lot more near infrared in, in our modern lifestyle. And that's, that's the incandescent bulb is uniquely presents itself as a way to do that.

So to me, when I hear you speak, and also just in my own experience, light is essentially food in some way. So light is feeding us or we're being starved from it?

Oh it's, it's absolutely, it's, it's so it's not just nourishing to us, it is our number one food.

It's a nutrient source.

It is our number one nutrient. Actually if you get a lot of sunlight in the summer, like three, four hours of sunlight a day, you know, shirts off, you'll find you're less hungry.

And that's, this is exactly what happened in Maui. I was in the sun at the beach all day.

You don't need to eat as much heavy dense foods. You know, you have some coconut water and some fruit and you're good. Yeah, the sun can actually satisfy like up to 70% of your caloric needs.

What do you make of these people that just sungaze the sun gazers, even the Breatharians where they're not eating food? There's studies and data on people that haven't eaten meals in years, which I'm like how is that even possible? But they're transcending biology in a way. Have you heard of this? What do you mean?

Yeah, yeah, actually I was in a. I was studying astro geomancy in Ecuador recently with. It was a course Stephen Young set up and Samuel Lee was there doing his own course. It was really fascinating. We're on the sacred land and when we were there there was a, there was a woman named Satya who was there as a friend of mine and she did just this, she did a sun gazing kind of experiment where she started out with one minute and increased to like 40 minutes from sunrise of over a period of I think weeks and maybe months to where she could sit there and stare at the sun for like over half an hour. And I met this woman, she's not blind or anything or damaged. She's like so, so aware, you know, such a conscious being. And so what I believe is that we're a lot more powerful than we think we are. We're programmed to think that we need to eat food all the time. And that's like with fasting. It's also a fascinating thing with fasting, like I just did a 48 hour fast. I used to be really scared of this. And I just did this for the first time ever. And it's so fascinating how conditioned we are to constantly put things in our mouth to eat and snack all the time. And we don't really need it all the time. You know, we eventually need it. Right. But we can go long periods of time without digesting anything. And if we have light, if we're getting lots of light, we can go even longer. So this, the sun gazing and the light eater cults, you know, where they, they just drink water and get sunlight for like weeks. That's a recognition of this innate light technology we have in our bodies and also an acceptance of the absolute and like a complete like, detachment from like the, the worldly, the moral coil and the worldly needs. You know, I need to eat things, I need to sleep. It's like, no, I'm completely infinite. I can produce all my own energy as long as I'm living in alignment with the way I'm designed to live, you know, by the divine. And, and light is like the biggest component of it.

What do you mean by moral coil?

Mortal coil.

Oh, mortal coil, okay. The trappings.

Immortal desires, you know, desires for, for food and. Yeah, and just mortal things. Sex, love.

You know, I can attest to what you're saying. Like when, when we were in Maui and we were just going to the beach, I, I don't think I ate till like 2 o' clock in the afternoon. But it wasn't like I was trying to intermittent fast and track my macros with my cgm. I was just enjoying the beach and being in salt water and being in the sun and. Yeah, you know, people are probably thinking like, well, I don't have a beach or you know, I don't have sun. Everybody's got sun. Even if the clouds are covering New York City, somebody can still walk in the street and just be there. The sun's still penetrating, right? It's still coming through the clouds. Yes, we're still getting that. I mean, it's not direct sun, but we're still getting some.

No, absolutely. The sun has this wide spectrum and water begins to absorb light at 980nm, which is in the middle of near infrared. But the light absorption is still poor. Once you get into mid and far infrared, you have 100% absorption of those wavelengths. So those wavelengths are not getting through the clouds. But guess what is getting through the clouds? The optimal heat therapy wavelengths are getting through partially, and the photobiomodulation wavelengths, 700 to a thousand. So the, the, the wavelengths that give us energy in our cells and activate mitochondrial healing, inflammation and reduction, and all the, the DNA repair stuff and the anti aging stuff that's getting through the clouds. So even on a cloudy day, you're getting the benefit from the most magical, nourishing component of sunlight, that near infrared component that not only gets through the clouds and the atmosphere, but actually also penetrates the most deeply into the body. So if you want to photobiomodulate your brain, red light doesn't get in. Deep red light is, is, is absorbed by melanin and hemoglobin, which we also have. We have blood all over in our bodies. The only wavelength that penetrates bone tissue consistently and, and, and deeply is near infrared. So we have mitochondria in our bones, but like the biggest, thickest bone in our body is our skull. And so nourishing, arguably the most important part of our nervous system is, is our brain. We need near infrared light to do that. So even on a cloudy day, you're getting that nourishment. And you know, when you use an electric light, like a, like a sauna space light, you're getting that nourishment.

So my Buddy had a TBI in 2012 and he just messaged me yesterday and I told him, okay, not only are you going to use supplementation for anti inflammation, but also use the firelight, use the glow. Have you come across any research on, you know, putting it approximately, like close to the head for tbi? And how can the glow light or this photobiomodulation help tbi?

Yeah, well, I can't make medical claims, Josh.

None of this is medical advice, y', all, even though the best stuff comes from podcasts.

But you know, we have, I have many customers who have had great improvement actually in, in traumatic nervous system injury, not just to the brain, with our products. One of them's this guy, Calvin Blaster, who fell off like a water tower. He's based in Austin. So he fell off this water tower, smashed his brain. He was in the coma, in a hospital for a long time and using sauna, the sauna, space sauna for, for a long time, for, you know, months and years, it slowly helped him to completely recover. There's some other things that he was doing too, but I mentioned that because if we look at the photobiomodulation literature, yeah, there's so much research in improvement of TBI and improvement of neuropathy symptoms. So when you have a tbi, you have damage to your nerve cells and your nervous system. Somewhere and then in the brain you've had this impact and there's literally that the cells are damaged. So light therapy comes in the near infrared light goes into the, and hits the mitochondria in the brain cell and it promotes regeneration and healing and inflammation reduction and anti aging. So it corrects the, the function of the cell itself. And on top of that, when you're doing all of the cells of the brain, it's helping to re establish connections and repair the interworking of all the cells together collectively. So absolutely there's such interesting research and improvement of tbi which conventional medicine says there's not a whole lot you can do after a certain period of time. That's absolutely not the case at all. But we need to use tools that are aligned with human biology and light therapy is a really powerful one. So it's not just TBI but also recovery from stroke, which is the same thing. It's damage to the brain and people who have neuropathic symptoms, like people who have Ms. And fibromyalgia and things like that, where their nervous system is not working right and it results in these strange sensations, gut issues like balance issues, movement issues. People are seeing amazing results from that using photobiomodulation and also with our products which include photobiomodulation. I would also mention though that heat has its own role. So sauna is also improving the functioning of the nervous system. And both the light therapy and the sauna therapy improve cognitive function. So what's going on here? One of the things is that heat promotes the production of brain derived neurotropic factor in the brain cells. And heat that's like miracle grow for your brain. It's very important factor in your, in your brain cells. And also the heat. One of the effects of heat is through the creation of heat shock proteins. One of their roles is to correct protein folding. So the proteins are these complicated structures that are, they're the kind, I call them the line workers in the body, the assembly workers are doing all the hard work and all the cells, most of them, as soon as they're generated by the ribosomes as they're coming out and when they're newly made, they're already misfolded, like 20 to 30% of them. And so there's this, it's, there's this built in system of correcting the, the workers that are made that are not like perfectly made is constantly correcting them with heat therapy, with sauna. And when you do that in your brain cells, you're improving protein Function and the proteome. So where the proteins are and when they refold, they, they're like lock and key mechanisms. Whenever they're talking to each other and doing things, all of those connections and all that communication is improved also in the brain. So there's a fair amount of research of improvement of, of like neuropathy, fibromyalgia and things like that with, with sauna use, which goes back to, I think I might have mentioned in the last podcast, is the other like huge amazing thing about sauna is that frequent use of sauna reduces risk of dementia. And those are, that's a, that's like a 30 year human study now in, in Finland that's, that's still ongoing with thousands of people and what's going on there, it's doing something to correct the resilience and the plasticity of the nervous system of the brain.

Dude, there's no one perfectly stated and living their dharma like you to lead this movement. I've always sensed that you have a deep sense of touch to your feminine side, but the way you can go from science to energy work, what can someone take away of light actually nourishing them on a, on a basic human understanding level?

Well, it's, it's definitely a challenging one. The more we're, you know, the more we're attached to the programming that we have, the less receptive we actually are. You know, there's, there's some people who use a therapy and they don't get well and it's like, why don't they get well? This therapy is clearly working for, for almost everybody. And it's a mindset, definitely it's a mindset issue. So what I love about our product and what we're doing is we're gently shifting the physiology and the consciousness of the person who's using it back into alignment with the highest and best selves. So we're removing the toxins, we're reactivating like, you know, we're promoting cellular rejuvenation and healing and it's a slow process that they don't have to do anything. They just sit in there and be, you know, they get, you know, use their sauna, use their light. When they use the glow light, it's like passive. But slowly but surely there's a shift that occurs and, and everybody's on their own journey. You know, it takes, everybody's on their own timeline. There's no rush in this. There's no nothing to like obsess over any kind of like goal. There's not really a destination, it's just an, an awareness of I want to be my best self. And how do I do that? Well, we need to purify the temple and create clarity and awareness of who I truly am. Once you get some of the toxic, you know, you deal with some of the basic physiological like dissonance, your clarity and your awareness builds and your awareness of your own self, it definitely, it grows and you can begin to explore other amazing healing tools that are out there. Like, the sauna space is not the only tool I've used. I've done a lot of spiritual and emotional work to correct and resolve the programming in so many ways. And I know you have too, and a lot of people in the space. But it like at the same time that some of those higher level challenges resolve a lot of physiological symptoms for a lot of people. There needs to be physiological improvement first to, to increase the capacity to cope and handle some of these like intense emotional and, and spiritual challenges that, that really everybody has in some way or another. Yeah, but, but the beauty of it is, is you don't have to do it and you don't have to force it. Your, your being naturally wants to be this way. So when you give it the things in a natural way and you change and you start eating more naturally and you start dealing with all the things that you talk about with all your amazing speakers that you have on the show, there's a shift that happens and then, yeah, you start to look inward. And what I would say is that I don't think my story is unique. I think that everybody has the answers within and there's different ways and different amazing guides out there to help you figure out yourself. But just know when you're with a guide or you're with a fascia worker or you know, a therapist or whatever you're, whoever you're with, they're only helping you remember what you already know. They're not teaching you anything and you're not missing anything and stepping away from that. You step into, you get into like really appreciating and using the unlimited nature of yourself. And like that's your divine side. Everybody has. It's all there. Nobody is limited and nobody's broken and nobody is prevented access to this. Everybody has access to this all the time right now as we speak. It's a choice. It's ultimately a choice. But sometimes it really helps to do some groundwork to realize, wow, I have a choice. I can do what I want to do. And the more you do what's aligned with your highest and best self. The more you're true to yourself, I would say, the more meaning you have in your life, the more purpose you have, the more happiness, the more health, the more connection, the more wellness and wisdom that you have. It all, it's all coming from within. There's another part of the modern malaise is focusing on helping others. And we all want to help others. I want to help others. You do. I mean, we're, we're, we have that natural inclination, right? We're, we're in it instinctively, like in the family. We want to take care of the family. The truth is though, when we let go of all those attachments and all that importance and we, we just work on ourselves, we have this oblique effect that happens where we're more present and available and influential and effective in actually helping the people we want to help.

I call this the personal trainer, yoga therapist syndrome, where imagine a flashlight. I'll speak in light terms because you're a man of light. So if I'm holding a flashlight and I'm a yoga instructor or a personal trainer or a therapist of any kind, and I spend my whole life dedicated to shining light on the darkness, I'm holding a flashlight, so there's still darkness between my hand and myself, I say, why don't we get rid of the flashlight and hold up a lantern instead? Because when I hold up a lantern, I get light shined on me and I shine it on other people. So I'd much rather shine a light on everything, including me, because then I don't fall into this trap of becoming the healer who's wounded, that's trying to heal other people. Because there's so much darkness between myself and really a noble pursuit which is being of service to others. So it's not a knock on personal trainers or therapists. I mean, there's probably incredible life changing people across the world that do these arts, but it's really about holding up a lantern so that I'm also being illuminated in my healing process as well as I don't have it all figured out. I've been doing this podcast for almost 10 years, like 700 episodes, right? I learn every single time, just like I've learned from you right now. And I think if we can just cultivate the curiosity while we hold this lantern, where we don't fall into the trap of just being of service to everyone else, which by the way, can be a spiritual bypass of its own man, our life can be great. We can be curious, we can thrive and we can actually see the parts of us that are being called forth to be healed in the darkness if we hold the lantern. Get rid of the flashlight, y'.

All. Yeah. And I would even go a step deeper and say that we actually are the lantern. And, And.

And that would make sense that you would say something like that.

And. Yeah, when you. When you shine. When you shine the light on yourself. Yeah, you. You reveal those. Those dissonances, those areas that maybe are not even dark, they're just out of alignment, you know, in one way or another, and you're called to address those. And, and there are some amazing lightworkers and healers out there and, And. And therapists and stuff like that. And those are the. The best ones and the most effective ones, the ones who've worked on themselves as a life practice, you know, not just like a one and done kind of thing. And they're continually. And. And being. Being, you know, having like, that childlike curiosity of, hey, you know, I'm just going in and having a matcha at this coffee shop, but this could be the best matcha I've ever had. And I could have this amazing experience. Every time we have this new experience, you know, it reprograms us. And we want that. You know, we want to, like, brush our teeth with our other hand and do things differently. And it's also with the. Using the. Our products and the sauna, you know, you want to vary it. The human wants the variety because our consciousness wants to learn through experience of. Of new things to. To incorporate that into this, like, growing perspective and understanding of reality.

Man, I know you learned this from your kids because Nova and Naya teach me so much about curiosity and novelty every day. They're just authentically themselves. There's no barrier between their conscious and unconscious mind. It doesn't fucking exist. He's literally him, and she's literally her. And it's so beautiful to witness. And I'm reminded to slow down. I'm reminded to be more present. I'm reminded to be a better man and to take care of myself and to be more loving and to not be in judgment and to have compassion and full, full understanding for the human experience. I got a really profound teaching once in an ayahuasca ceremony. And by the way, I'm not saying that y' all should go do plant medicine, but I remember I was sitting there, and in the morning, everybody shares afterwards, like, hey, this is what happened for me. And I just had this real moment of brutal truth that for, like, 37 years I was just pretending to be myself. And so I said to everyone, I just feel like I've been practicing to be myself. I've been practicing who I thought Josh Trent should be. And from that moment on it's been this understanding and this everyday loving, learning how to love Josh so that I can just continue to be Josh. This beautiful soul that came from the source where nothing is. There's no thing in everything. And that's been the most fun, dude, the most fun I've ever had in my life was learning the brutal truth that I was practicing to just be myself. I wasn't actually just being myself. And I wish that gift on fucking everyone almost makes me cry just even thinking about it. Like everyone needs to really look in the mirror. Are you being yourself or are you being this catapulted projected version of both societal and parental influence? And I think that is the greatest gift for our kids. That really, in a way you don't even need a plant medicine ceremony. Just be a parent and you'll get that reflected back to you.

Yeah, there's, there's and it's okay, you know, that it took time, like, oh, it took some time, you know, there's no, there's no shame in that. There's no regret, there's no frustration. That's what you sort of your higher self chose to take that path to learn that lesson. And so amazing that you're still young and healthy and you, you have this awareness now. Like, same thing for me. Like I was, I just poured my whole body, mind and spirit, blood, sweat and tears into everything I was doing with sauna space and to a lesser, you know, to a lesser extent, time wise also with my family. But like everything went outward into that. And it was a long lesson for me to, to have and it was a really hard lesson. But looking back now, I'm so glad I had that. I went to that side of the polarity, you know, so I could swing back and like be wholly and truly into myself. And I understand like what it is it to be, to be completely externally oriented. So that's also part of, of the experience and part of the game. It's like, you know that you have to experience the whole polarity, the light and dark of all of it to get out of it basically to level up in the game.

I feel like everything that you've eloquently stated and that I've offered to this conversation has been centered around actually being honest and caring for the physical body that we live in because that's essentially what the red light therapy and the infrared therapy is doing. It's caring. It's giving light, nutrients and food to the body. If that's dirty, much like I've given this analogy before, if you plug in a dirty outlet, the electricity is not going to flow. So if we ourselves are dirty or we're filled with toxins or we're not getting enough light, it's almost, I wonder how you feel about this. It's almost impossible to do the deeper emotional and mental healing work that's necessary if the body is blocking it so severely. Do you resonate with that? What are your thoughts on that?

It's very challenging. The, you know, we're frequency beings and we have those electromagnetic systems in our bodies, you know, cellularly at the quantum level, the meridians of the body, the blood flowing down the arteries, everything has an electromagnetic component to it. And any one of you know, these heavy metals goes in and disrupts that and limits our, limits our, our, our capacity and also our perception limits our awareness. So yeah, like I, even, even recently I found myself. I've started this new workout style. This, it's called G O A T A. It's like based on child movement. It's really cool. And I've been.

Is it like move now, like primal movement?

It's like this mobility approach. It's called Gota. That's. Anyway, it's only like 15 minutes a day. And I found myself really avoidant like over the last couple of months, like 15 minutes a day. And I haven't consistently do been doing it every day. And I chose this and I really enjoy it and love it and it's something I can do anywhere because it doesn't require like any props really. And I found, I found myself like all of a sudden I realized, wow, I, I was, I was totally avoiding this. Like for some reason my mind, I don't know, like Watiko or something. It was like totally, like totally what was avoiding this thing.

Why?

And I, I just realized that I, I still, even at this point in some aspect I was attaching more importance to like work and taking care of others and getting things done versus my personal care in this, in this one aspect. You know, I'm still doing the sauna, eating really well, you know, no alcohol and things like that. But like this one thing, it was, it was so funny that there's, you know, there's that limitation that can happen with everyone. So you, you definitely want to prime your experience by having the cleanest vessel possible. And then when you get really clean and you, you step into and remember your high frequency nature and your multi dimensional nature. It really allows you to perceive subtle dissonances and subtle things that are messed up, that require your attention that you absolutely had no perception or capacity to deal with before. No doubt the body is our most powerful instrument and taking care of it is not, is important. And I would say it's very accessible nowadays. Like everything, all these tools we have, all this awareness we have, this is not the 1900s. The Internet has allowed a proliferation of knowledge and an awareness that our forefathers, our ancestors could not benefit from. Like all the mystery schools and all the esoteric stuff that used to be controlled by the freemasons and stuff. That's all you know, it's all out there, all this spiritual science now it's all coming together. You have to look for it and you have to kind of see through the matrix because there's a lot of, there's a lot of junk out there. But it nonetheless is available to all of us. Without going to a mystery school for 33 years and like studying all this stuff, we can have it in the comfort of our home. It's such an amazing, beautiful reality that we live in right now where it's, it's just all at our fingertips and it's really accessible. And even a lot of the biohacking technologies, this, the concepts behind it are affordable. You know, like a sauna. If you can't afford a sauna, you can just heat your bathtub up really hot and get in there, you get a nice, you get a really nice sweat response and light, you know, like get out in the sun, you know, like if, if nothing else.

Yeah, no one has to purchase anything. If we lived exactly in the way that our ancestors lived, we would all be ultimately healthy. But the challenge is that we don't live in our ancestors world anymore. Yeah, it's a different construct.

I would also flip to the other side of that polarity and say there are because of the modern stressors, the EMFs, the cosmic toxicity that you talked.

About, the cosmic soup.

Cosmic soup. That there are some more extraordinary measures that we ought to take and so on is one of them. Light therapy is definitely one of them. I think fasting is one of them. And then certain binders. I'm also taking some binders now like, like EDTA with some kind of frequency and other. And activated. Their doctor group of global healing has activated ozonated charcoal to help detox some of the modern toxicins, the toxins that our Ancestors didn't have like nanotechnology graphene oxide. It's, it's in all the drugs now. It's actually used in agriculture now.

Is it helpful with Roundup detox as well? Glyphosate?

Well, sauna is, sauna is absolutely. Glyphosate's water soluble. So yeah, you can sweat that out totally. But, but these nanoparticles our body are actually, our human biology is not really well designed to deal with because of their size and their nature. And we're all exposed to this nowadays. We're all also exposed to, in the modern pharmaceutical era, genetically engineered E. Coli. Those are used to, to make drugs basically and make things like the MRNA vaccines were made in these genetically engineered E. Coli that are actually contaminating all of humanity. And these E. Coli are antibiotic resistant. They have gene strains, they have peptide coding in them, sequences in them that shut down cellular hydrogen peroxide production, which is an immune response. It's like really important. So it makes them really resilient and tough to kill. And it really, it doesn't matter you know, what your stance is on, on Covid and, and the different pharmaceutical solutions to that. Nowadays everyone has been exposed to the spike protein and the E. Coli that were used to make the spike proteins, whether it was in, in the, in the, the vaccinate, the, the, the vaccines or the, or the, or the manufactured virus itself. All of it we're exposed to when we breathe on each other. So we're all contaminated, our microbiome is contaminated with these genetically engineered E. Coli that conjugate in our microbiome and, and spread and then are producing some of these modern toxins like spike protein and then the graphene oxide that comes in our body that's we're also exposed to separately. They, when they're exposed to microwave signal like 5G and 4G cell phone signal, the graphene. The graphene oxide creates these fractal and structures that group together and spiral out in the blood and it causes like clogging basically of the arteries and, and coagulation. And so there's certain things you can take to remove this stuff from your body. Like EDTA is a really powerful one. And actually the combination, this is more recent research by one of my friends, Maria Kreisler, who's a parasitologist, is that you can combine sauna, sauna space or other sauna with red light, which you get with sauna space and a PMF to break up the, these nanoparticle structures that are, they're called hydrogels that like form in your body and your body, like can't get rid of the combination of the heat and a little bit of a electromagnetic zap from the PMF technology and then combining it also sometimes with EDTA to help bind it and grab it and get rid of it is really uniquely powerful in addressing this. This is another layer of the matrix that unfortunately like, needs to be addressed now is. But we have the tools also. One of the interesting things with the, the COVID virus is that it codes for these like snake venom peptides, right? There's this whole interesting other narrative of like, why. Why is the COVID vaccine or not? Excuse me, why is the COVID virus damaging? And a part of it has to do with it creating basically snake venom peptides in the body. And the snake venom peptides bind to the NAD receptors in your nerves and they cause symptoms of envenomation. That's how snakes, you know, the snake venom damages your nervous system. It's not the bite that kills you with most snakes. It's like these peptides in the venom that attach to your nervous system in your brain stem and like start to disrupt your ability to breathe and like to move and, and stuff like that. So nicotine is the only thing that binds more strongly to the NAD receptor. So there's people who have had long haul Covid symptoms who completely resolve them with a nicotine patch. It's really interesting. So, you know, like, why did, why did God create the tobacco plant? You know, and like, you know, this might be a reason for that, but it's just a continued awareness that as we evolve and the forces of consciousness, you know, become greater and things go well, so too does the Matrix kind of accelerate. And there's more and more things coming out that we need to continue to be aware of to keep ourselves, you know, happy and healthy. And the forces of, of good and consciousness are, I would say, are totally winning. And we're continually coming out with new tools to keep ourselves in alignment, keep ourselves true to ourselves in the face of what seems really crazy, right? All of this modern, like, biotech stuff that we're confronted with.

I watched this documentary that I've mentioned probably like 25 times. So my audience is going to be like, dude, we already know this, but it's really important to what you're talking about. It's a movie called Finding Joe, one of my favorite movies. Everyone needs to watch this. It's so powerful because there's one of the speakers, Gay Hendricks being one of them. And he says, you know, the Chinese symbol for crisis is danger and opportunity. So crisis, whether it's, you know, AI technology, the nanoparticles, plastics in our food, the subtle attacks of the Matrix, or the artificial realm that you speak of, danger and opportunity exists. So they're both there. So it still goes back to exactly what you said. It's a choice. I think. We're always in crisis, really. There's always some type of crisis that we're being attacked with, weaponized, monetized by. So really, at the core of it all, it does come down to choice. And the power of choice is always there for us. Yet depending on our levels of trauma or how much work we're doing on our emotional health and our mental health, which is, by the way, a byproduct of cleaning the physical first, it becomes so paramount that this conversation is shared. So please, y', all share this conversation. If you feel it's worthy, share this conversation. Because somebody could hear this, and their life could change in a month. Their life could totally shift if they start stacking the environment in their favor. And that's why we're doing this. So thanks for being here. All right, y', all be here. Thank you for having me share this podcast with somebody that you love, that you care about. Until Brian and I see you on round number three, when maybe he can talk about the vibrational aspect combined with the infrared and red light therapy, which would be super fascinating. We're both wishing you love and wellness. We'll talk with you soon.