Garrain Jones | Harmonized Human: How To STOP Suffering + Create The New 2.0 Version of YOU
A long-form YouTube interview (Josh Trent hosting Garrain Jones) about personal transformation through embodiment, expression and vibrational work. Garrain recounts a traumatic childhood (father murdered at age 4), time in prison (12-year sentence, later released), homelessness and recovery (living in his car, large debt). Turning points include a homeless man telling him "change your mindset, change your life," repeated reading of self-help books, and pilgrimage experiences (Egypt). Core themes: forgiveness as a frequency, harmonizing masculine/feminine energies to create a "human 2.0" or "harmonized human," using art/music and community to release trauma, daily practices (breath, "release" ritual, frequency work), and fatherhood as motivation. Practical tools include a multidimensional counting exercise and a guided breath/singing permission practice.
Questions this video answers
December 17, 2024
Episode 700 (Josh: "This is episode 700").
Living in his car for about two and a half years; about $200,000+ debt (referred to as '200 something thousand dollars in debt').
Smuggling 6.2 kilos of heroin; he mentioned serving a 12-year sentence.
Speaking in '90 something countries' and to 'more than 3.7 million people.'
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In the right harmonic resonance, any trauma can be lifted. There's trauma, and there's a vibration underneath the trauma. It's just an energy that never felt safe enough to express itself. And majority of the world are suffering in silence because they've never actually expressed their true voice.
Garrin Jones went from prison to Hollywood to homeless. Now he is a millionaire. Helping others liberate themselves through the expression of art. You're in jail, you almost die. Took your own life. Yep. Your life was almost taken from you. At 4, your father was murdered. That's a very, very challenging road.
Yeah.
You could have at any point in time said, I give up.
Whenever you give meaning, you'll be right. So when difficulty comes, I literally welcome it with gratitude. Those who control the music control the people. So I found a new game called teaching you how to play your own music through your own vessel so you can't be controlled. Inside of every human, they're vibrational beings that emit a frequency. So just like in music, there's no such thing as a bad note. It's just surrounded around the wrong combination of notes. You can bring all these different people together, and then you produce this note called the transcendent frequency. There's just potency of love without borders. So we're now shifting into Earth 2.0. There will be a human 2.0. It'll be the harmonized human, and that is one who is in harmony with nature as it was designed. Everybody is out of balance, out of all these energies, masculine, feminine energies. Everything is all off balance.
So I wonder, what is the antidote? Garen. Welcome, man. We merited on this for two years.
Let's go.
Oh, my gosh.
You're the perfect Time is the perfect time.
Dropping so much wisdom, I thought we'd actually turn it on, man. Thank you for being here.
Thank you for having me.
From one father to another, What a freaking journey it has been. Come on. Can we just exhale into fatherhood right now?
Let's go. We are raising the next generation of humanity, and may every father that watches this level up and be the highest representation of who you will pass the baton onto one day. And don't settle for lacking, because I feel that the greatest way to make an impact on our future is fathers that are, like, radically present and that are willing to do the work to, like, really, really be great examples.
So true. And we have these pseudo examples like Andrew Tate and his brother, which I think which I. Or even Goggins. Right on. On the scale of maturation. They play a nice part in the theater.
Yeah.
Like, they. They actually serve a purpose. Yet true, embodied fatherhood can only come in my experience.
Yeah.
Through knowing it's opposite.
Absolutely.
When you don't know your father, when there's no masculine presence, the universe creates a vacuum for your growth. And I'm sure that's how it's been for you.
Yeah, it. It was for me to. It. There was a. A lady by the name of Niz. She does murals, large mural paintings all over the United States for. With really inspirational people. Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa. She's. She's doing all. She asked me for a photo, and I didn't know why. Next thing you know, everybody's like, hey, I saw your mural. And it's like, right next to Jim Rohn. I'm like, what are you talking about? And I started crying. And then the. The photo. What she said is, Garon Jones is the representation of the divine masculine. I love his family. And I just started crying. I'm like, bro, I was the person that cheated on every girlfriend I ever had, slept around, had leaky sexual energy, and now I'm a devoted husband, a committed father, whether my wife is around or not. Like, you won't experience that energy from me. What it took for me to rest comfortably in just really loving being a dad and a committed husband is the greatest work I've ever done in my life.
Yeah. I can relate because I've never had so much beauty and so much struggle all at the same time, man. Like, the parts of myself that needed to come online, that were called forth to come online, were so massive in the way I could hold the responsibility that I could have even. I never could have even predicted it when Carrie first got pregnant with our first child. And so I'm even wondering this out loud. Never thought about this before. When you're in the presence of greatness, great things come through. I wonder if I didn't have all the struggles that prepared me. Our son being in the NICU for 10 days, having to go to a different state to birth our daughter. Because that's where the midwife was. The challenges of how children even come into the world prepared me to hold them in the way that I hold them now. Energetically, physically, spiritually, emotionally, financially. Like the journey you've come from, man. And I know you've talked about this a lot.
Yeah.
But I. I would love the clean slate where you are now. Forget about every podcast you've ever done. Forget about every speaking gig or every stage presence or anything that you've put out into the world in this moment, what can your heart be grateful for? For being put in a dryer and. And told that you were going to Disneyland because the man that you thought cared for you wanted to take your life. I can't even imagine the vacuum that would create. When I first read your story, I had that cry feeling. I truly did, because I was like, I don't know what that's like to go through that. And I don't think it's always necessary to go through so much pain. But yet, in this moment today, as you sit here on the podcast, can you have love for that man? Can you hold that child back then? And can you see it all happening for your good? Not in a spiritual woo woo way, even though you and I know everything spiritual, but in a true way of spiritual guidance connected to God, because that was the only way you could have showed up and been at the level of service you are now. That has to have rang in your.
Listen, I, I forgave the two men who murdered my father more than a thousand times. But not forgiveness as something that you check off the list, forgiveness as a frequency. When you embody it and then you become the kind of person that is of forgiveness. And those are two completely different things. And I'm in Boston, 5,000 people doing a keynote speech, and I remember this hot energy coming across me and I was like, you know what? There's one thing. And this had nothing to do with my talk. So something is coming through and I just feel the need to share something. When I was 12 years old, two men murdered my father. And I wish death upon them and their families all this time. And I'm ready to let it go. And when I was on stage and I just cried and I let it go. By the time I got off stage, a man was looking at me. He's like, thank you. And I was like, for what? He's like, Man, 20 years ago, I murdered someone. And I was in prison for the last 20 years. And I just got out yesterday, I was going to murder the man tonight, but because I saw what freedom actually looks like, I'm truly a changed man. So I want to apologize on behalf of those two men who murdered your father. Thank you for changing my life. And I was like, oh, that's how it works. And I just cried because the emotional closure that I'm about to cry again that I wanted when I was 12, just like, why, why, why? Forgiveness as a. This is just who I am doesn't allow Hate to stay in my body doesn't allow resentment to stay in my body. It's like a self sustaining filter filtration system. And when I saw how fast it works when you are in an elevated state. Why would I want to keep pesticides in my body when it can be filled with love? And so this is where I started my journey of really not holding that energy in my body. And that's what I've taught people all over the world. They were like, but you don't understand, I've been molested. I'm like, no, you don't understand what you're missing out on. A hot air balloon doesn't leave the ground unless you release the weight. So because I hold myself to that state, it allows me to see and feel into a completely different aspect of the world. That it's not necessary for me to get all up and down with my emotions because I'm always filtering myself. Even when I go poop in the morning, every single morning, I leverage something I'm already doing. I call it the release. I go number one, number two, and I say I forgive myself for. And then I have something physical that I create an anchor. So either poop comes out or pee comes out. And I'm like, I forgive my mom or I forgive this thing. Or if you and I were riffing and I was like, man, I forgive Josh for holding this thing. And then it just is always filtering through my system. And then all of a sudden I don't have to hold density of energy that keeps me down.
So the density is really, you know, it's interesting, we have a mutual friend, or maybe you've met him, Aaron Abke, where he talks about the laws of density.
Yes.
And so density is this construct where the vibrational molecules are spinning, but they're closer together, they're more dense, but everything's moving, everything's freaking moving. Everything, including energy. And I, I think back to the World Surf League physician that I interviewed, Dr. Tim Brown. He's like, you know, your body's either a river or a damn. It's either flowing or it's not. And I wonder for you, like as you sit here now. Yeah, father of three. Yeah, right. Two on the newer side. There's got to have been a through line in all the pain, in all the challenge. Yeah, that actually was completely for your good the whole time. Yet in the moments of pain we ain't feeling that. Yeah, it's not like we're feeling. But today as you sit here, and that's what I'M saying I want this to be a brand new fresh podcast. You've done so much speaking right with the. With what God has afforded you with these two beautiful children and also your older child.
Yeah.
There has to have been a through line 100 where you flex that muscle of forgiving yourself and others to be able to be of service in the way you are.
Yeah. Well, you can't see the picture while you're in the frame. So sometimes life has to show you things. And most, most of the time you can see something familiar and not even recognize it because you're on your own like little path. My favorite thing to do is in the world has put puzzle pieces together so I see sequences and patterns all day long. That's why I'm so good at facilitating retreats with, with healing. I'm not a healer, but I can facilitate the frequency of healing and get. Raise people into it. But I see these sequences and patterns all the time. So for me, the through line was when I started recognizing patterns that matched. It's kind of like you go, you go to. You're in school and then you have pop quizzes and then you have, you have midterm ex and then you have final exams. When you were in kindergarten, first, second, third, fourth, they had a final exam that tests you to see if what you wanted is what you really wanted. You fail it. It seems like the same thing keeps happening even in video games. At the end of the round, you face a dragon. So when I learned how to gamify life, anytime I start seeing certain things break down that match a pattern slightly different, but match like this, you know, the seasons are a pattern that match. This season of my life, I go through this momentum. All this stuff is great, everything is good. And all of a sudden there's a series of obstacles I need to overcome. I can either use those obstacles to prepare me for the next level, or I allow the obstacles. Oh my goodness. I had all this momentum, but. But then I keep falling down. And why, why can't I just stay in momentum? You don't even realize you're literally preparing for your next test. So I kept seeing the test inside of every single one of those iterations. And now because the, you know, you create a game that you actually like playing. I've gamified my entire life to be able to see certain things. I designed my office. My wife holds me accountable. I don't have any yes people in my life. Oh my goodness, Karen. I'm like, no, tell me this shit that I need Here. And I give you full permission to hold me accountable. So. Because I don't have yes. People in my life, and my life is designed to be able to spot the tests and for me to be able to acknowledge any level of effort or progress, because when I know I'm progressing, I know that I'm succeeding. So just being aware of how growth looks at all turns and being willing to be surprised by the stuff that, I don't know, like a boy that comes up in a new baby. I had no idea what I was in store for, and I was here for and ready for it. And it's still the same sequence of patterns. It's just going to look different.
Yeah. I've read that Jesus used to put children in his speeches because they had the beginner's mind. They would have an open heart to everything. So at 45, do you really feel like you have a beginner's mind? Do you have the heart and the joy of a child? No matter what adult responsibilities and challenges.
Come your way for most of the time. So it's. It's weird because I think Conor McGregor said it best. It's like most people, they'll sleep on a win. Like, when they start winning, then they forgot how they got there.
Yeah.
So they'll sleep on a win, and then they'll wake up with a loss. Not realizing when you're winning is where you got to double down on what got you there. But you got to know what got you there. You know, you. You start doing all these flyers and you start saying yes to a bunch of things, and all of a sudden you stop doing all of that, and you think that what you're doing now when you're in the momentum, is what's creating the momentum. No, you don't plant a seed and it grows overnight. Only thing that grows overnight is a weed. What you did last season. What you did last season.
Yeah, yeah.
You're actually harvesting right now. So you got to remember what you did last season, and then you got to do more of that Right. While you're winning so that next harvest season and you can keep the sustainability. That's why people get. Get money, lose it, get love, lose it, lose it, lose it. Because they don't know how to sustain that vibration over a long period of time.
I heard Michael Beckwith say this. He was being interviewed by Oprah. He's like, some people, they get wealth and they lose it because they're not a vibrational match for it.
Correct.
I mean, I can, like, I can feel that in my throat, my heart, when I, when I share it with you. Yeah. There's been many times where I've had money and I've lost it. I was $80,000 in debt. You've been in debt. Like there's some weeds that we had to clean out in order to be of service. Right. But the courage that it takes, man, and I want to be respectful of everyone's process, the courage that it takes to, to, to have the self love and to have the fortitude to actually rip the weeds out can be so fucking confronting because then you have to change everything in your life that you've built a house on sand for.
Yeah.
That was your deal in the music industry.
Absolutely.
You were bouncing around, you were Ludacris, you made all this money, then you were living in a car.
Yep.
I mean, touch on whatever parts of that journey of your life resonate with you now.
So at that time, I just never had anybody in my corner. There was. I didn't believe in mentors. I thought I could do everything by myself. So I didn't even know the power of the ego. So I just relied on talent. But skill versus talent, two different things. I would take an unskilled, I would take an untalented person that is willing to develop the skill over a longer period of time than I would just a talent person because it's only going to get you so far. Now if you have talent and you're willing to develop your skill, that's where the, the unicorn like person starts to happen. I only relied on talent because if my talent and this is good, everybody pay attention. And I noticed this with a lot of people. If my talent was a little bit better than other people around me, perfect place to hide because then I would get off on, oh my goodness, Garen, you're crushing and everything. So there was this unconscious deep need to feel needed by other people around me, which where I know where it came from now, but back then I didn't know. So I'd stay. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm the man. Yeah, I'm the man. Yeah, I'm the man. Next thing you know, what happened to everything? I, I don't know what happened, but I got it. I got to get back there. But then you're so used to people seeing you a certain way. Oh gee, I'm just trying to be like you. No, you have no idea. I want to kill myself. And I'm just going to keep smiling because I want to save face. I'm going to keep this mask or over justify. When I look in the mirror and the truth shows up deep down on the inside, I actually don't like myself. I was trying to impress you so I can fit in because maybe I think I'm a weirdo, maybe I'm afraid of my real self. These are real conversations that go on inside of the majority of the suffering of humanity in the world and I work with them. I have these conversations and you can take it all the way back to a broken child or a child that never felt, seen or heard or like they mattered or hey, what do you want to do? I remember being little, my mom said well that doesn't match and you can't grow your hair out. And I just remember yelling I'm six so I don't even know what I'm fighting for. I said mom, ask me if I love it. And I think my hard headedness and didn't get trapped into do what I say to do, do what I say to do, school, do what I say to do whoever is why I am where I am today. My hard headedness created a pathway where I had the power to choose my own destiny.
Is it hard headedness or is it really just a clean crispy connection with your soul?
Well, if I connect the dots looking backwards I was called hardheaded. That was literally my, that was the label. When you follow my mom and I love, I love her to life. I'm not going to say love her to death, I love her to life. She's like why you got to be so hard headed? All right, well I'm hard headed. That's, that's the name, that's the label. And it doesn't help that at the time I had a speech impediment and diagnosed with delayed learning. So it would normally take you six days to learn. Take me six months to learn. Even right now, you give me something new it, my process is much slower. I turned it into superhero power because most people go fast, fast, fast and they got to go back and course correct. I never have to course correct because my process is like this so I don't miss anything. So now the trained instinct is to see a lot of fast things but my process sees everything like this. So for that I've learned how to reparent myself and tell myself what I needed to hear. It took me 30 something years but if I did it I will probably be dead right now based off of what was going on inside of my brain.
The fruits of that are so clear I think it was 2016, 2017, you put your mom through fashion school. Is that true?
Yeah.
And when you did that, you also, as a byproduct, created the man that now is a parent to two beautiful babies and an older child. So you're healing this generational pain. But it happens in ripples. It's almost like as you peel the onion, you just keep crying. Because onions make you cry.
Yes.
So you peel in the family onion, you keep crying, but then when you get to the heart of it all, there's just more Garen. Yeah, there's just more you. And it was actually there the whole time. And this is a concept that if I really feel into this, I think about how much time that I used to judge myself for wasting on not having a podcast on not starting it. I sat in the corner for, like, three years, from 2012 to 2015. Like, should I do it this back and forth? Are you really good enough to do this now? You can't make any money with that. The. The game that I was playing was so low vibe. It was so resonating based on all the. The imperfections that I was focusing on instead of realizing that those imperfection are just me.
Right.
There's just more Josh with the imperfections.
Absolutely.
But yet, when you put your mom through fashion school, there had to have been a deep, deep healing. Not from your ego. Look how cool Garen is. He put his mom through fashion school. There had to have been another part of that onion.
Well, here's the crazy thing that I haven't shared about that story. I always had. I always had a vision of retiring my mom and winning five Grammys and everything. But I was like, when I was 13 years old, and that was through music, and when I left the music industry, I was like, for some reason, I still feel like I'm going to win five Grammys and retire my mom. So I just held the vision, and I held the vision, and I held the vision. I was in the wellness industry, and I ended up being, like, one of the top Wellness Entrepreneurs, an $8 billion company. And it was like, the award ceremony, and it was. They called me. They're like, congratulations. They take top 250 wellness entrepreneurs, and they're gonna give them a huge bonus. And I'm like, cool, where are they hosting it? And they said, the same place where they hosted the Grammys. I ended up winning five awards. I'm walking on the red carpet with my mom. I was like, oh, my God. This is. This is what I felt when I was 13 so I'm walking on the red carpet with my mom. I get to the end of the red carpet, I said, mom, this is 2015. Call your boss. And I just gonna fill into that the look she had on her face working a 9 to 5 job, just eating her life away. And I said, mom, call your boss, tell him you're not going back to work. She was like, what? What, baby? Mom, I'm retiring you. I'm retiring. And I didn't know. I was like, I gotta find her something to do. She can't be bored. In the midst of me retiring her, I was like helping her, like, clean her house. I found this journal. My mom never threw anything away. And I gave her so much shit about like being a pack rat. This was one that really paid off. I found a journal from when she was like in college or something like that. I mean, old, old, old. And she wrote this list of goals, things that she wanted to do before she died. Mind you, my mom is almost 70, you know, so I'm like looking at this list and one of them said, become a fashion designer. And I want to make sure that. But I'm going to give that up so that I can make sure that both of my boys become successful. And I'm holding this journal. No, she was out of college, she was in real estate school. And I'm like, oh, my God, I can fulfill my mom's dream. So that's where the Fashion Institute came from. And I can't tell you how many people are like, man, I want to do that for my mom. I was like, and you can, but you have to understand, every action that I took, I thought about my mom having a smile on her face. So things I didn't want to do, I did. Books I didn't want, courses I didn't want to go to, and I did at times, I didn't want to wake up getting healthy. And I did it and I did it and I did it. And I was like, oh, I had to become a different person that felt worthy, that could actually hold and sustain the kind of life that can provide for my mom in that way, because she never had a man do that before.
So then the constitution is really what we're talking about. It's not just like physical. So health is huge. I love how earlier you were saying that you can have talent, but it's a perfect place to hide. Yeah, I totally agree. I think that that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work for sure, because there's a lot of people that really don't have to try to be great. Basketball speaking. Have you always been a great speaker? Has that always been a natural thing for you?
Not with somebody. The youth that talked like this. I had a speech impediment.
Okay, so. So you grew that part of yourself because you wanted to be of service to your mom. Was that the whole guiding light the whole time?
Well, was my mom and developing a relationship with my daughter who I didn't have. Yes, I didn't have a relationship. So I'm like, try them maybe. See, she'll see that I change. I try. Yeah, go ahead.
Because you have a natural talent for speaking. Right. And it came from vocal cords that had trouble expressing earlier, which I find so fascinating. You know, Aristotle says that nature hates a vacuum. So it's like you. There was a big ass vacuum created for you.
Yes. So the type of person that could adapt into speaking in 90 something countries to more than 3.7 million people. I didn't accident my way into that. Like, I practice and practice. That's when somebody tells me, oh, I can't speak or I can't sing. I'm like, yeah, you can. You just forgot what it took for you to go from fetal position to crawling to get up, fall down, get up, fall down, get up, fall down about 70 something thousand times until you adapt into the upright position, which is not even our natural state. The fetal position is. All of that is adaptation and evolution. And so I approached speaking in that way and I just was like, okay, try it again, try it again. Speakers bootcamp. Try it again. Get feedback. Try it again. Over and over and over. Now put me on any stage, any podcast, any TV show at any time, and the conversation is going to move, the crowd is going to move, somebody's going to be healed, there's going to be a new insight because every single word, Every word. And I'm very picky about the words because I don't want wasted space. And every word that comes out of my mouth. I wholeheartedly believe in.
The trust that you have when you speak, I believe is based on the experience of tumbling, failing, getting bloody, and then realizing when you're authentically expressing yourself that that's where abundance comes from. We just did a team retreat here, the first retreat I've ever done. And I got more healing as the leader than my team got. And what came through for me was my game. So my game is I'm emotionally regulated and I give abundance through authentically expressing myself. Yeah, that's my game. I'm Regulated, I express Josh. And abundance comes. Now, just because it's easy doesn't mean that it's, like, gonna happen overnight. It might be simple to hear, but that's the game that I'm validating with all the ways that I seek for evidence to validate it.
Yeah.
So along your journey, there had to have been a moment where you stepped on a stage and you were like, how the hell am I gonna do this?
Well, here's the thing that never happened, because I found a game to get on stage.
What's that game?
Most people, their nerves are speaking, and I kind of just was. I was so nervous, I would literally run around, like, where people were sitting, I would run around and high five people, not knowing that I was working out all of the nerves. So by the time I got on stage, I was hyped up and ready. So it took me a while to get on stage, but I was practicing long before I got on stage. Plus, I was doing a bunch of YouTubes and I don't like it. And I did another one. I don't like it. I did another one. So the reps got in. But when I got on stage, I just. I remember seeing Tony Robbins. He was like, all right, I command the audience. He hit himself. I started running, and I'm like, oh, I feel good. And so they were hyped up in the running. That cheering of me creating that happy vortex was coming right to me and I was like, let's go.
This is episode 700. It's no. It's no surprise that it just worked out like that. I didn't plan it. I looked at the calendar today. I was. This is going to be episode 700. 700 podcasts. And here we are talking about the art and really the mystery and the science of how to just express yourself.
Yeah.
Isn't that what people are most hungry for? When people tune into a long form, two hour, three hour podcast, they're just looking for little nuggets that they can feel in resonance with their soul because it gives them fuel to keep going.
Absolutely.
So what do you make of that number seven? That's an inch. We're at 700. What are you making?
Well, I'm just hearing 700. All I hear is durability, sustainability, staying power, vision, focus, grounded in a mission. And so I'm just sending that all to you because I don't hear. I don't often hear that number. So the fact that you can just. And I think you had mentioned something about, like, you went through a whole Rebranding. You got it. Lost it and everything.
Oh, yeah.
But you're at 700. People get in there like, oh, I got to do something else. I got to do something else. And this is like the. Not the little engine that could. This is the. The.
The.
The. The engine that's doing. And so now at 700, I'm just. Salute, brother.
Thank you, man.
Yeah.
Ah, feels good to receive that. Thank you.
You're so welcome.
Yeah. Because when I started, much like the hero's journey that you've been on, which really set you up to be, like, broke and asking a homeless man who then departed the craziest wisdom on you, which I want you to share that right when I'm done, because I remember you told me that story in your kitchen two years ago. Remember when I came to your house two years ago? It took two years for us to sit here. It's perfect because it's 700. But what happened for me was I had to understand that my ego couldn't be the one running the show anymore. That just couldn't. It's not going to work. And so that's why wellness and wisdom. I changed the word from force to wisdom because I'm not trying to force my life.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to be here and be Josh Trent, the serious podcaster and make sure that we have the customer journey perfect and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. I just want to share and learn publicly so that I can be the best father, the best podcaster, the best man that I can be.
Amen.
But I get wisdom from people like you who sit at this Perota table, which, by the way, is the wisdom keeper of the forest in Costa Rica, which was told to me by Teal Swan, Rock my world. When she told me that there's defining moments that we have. And it was a defining moment for me in 2015 when I had a huge, dark night of the soul where I just had to actually give up and give in to God. You had many of those moments, but the one that hit me the hardest, that I'm just flashing back on from two years ago when I was in your kitchen, was you said there was a homeless man that gave you wisdom that literally shifted your life. You'd had many waves of shifting, but he shifted your life. He had more money than you.
Yeah.
He had more money than you. Can you tell that story?
Yeah. I was already at my rock bottom, and it was. No, I don't remember exactly what it is. I'VE told the story so many times. I think it was like November 2011, and I was just in the lowest point of my life, and I'm just yelling at this male and more parking lot. I'm like, okay, I'm tired of fighting. And I was already living in my car for two and a half years. 200 something thousand dollars in debt. So that was going on. My girlfriend had just broken up with me, my daughter pretty much disowned me, and my mom was dying in the. All of that was happening simultaneously. So, like, fuck my life at that time. I'm tired of fighting. I don't want to fight anymore. I just want to be happy. I just want to be happy. I just want to be healthy. I don't want to be surrounded by nothing but positive people. And I just want to inspire people. I want to make a bunch of money, but I want to make money with something that I passionately believe in, that I would do for free. I'm going to say this again, anybody who's listening. I want to make a bunch of money with something that I passionately believe in, with something that I would do for free. Just show me a sign. That's what I said that night. A week later, I'm at the gas station and a homeless guy asked me for money. I said, you have more money than me. And he said, change your mindset, change your life. Which went on to be my company. You know, book that sold almost 500,000 copies, that's out on Amazon in Spanish and English right now. But that word, change your mindset, change your life. Something hit my soul in a way that it never hit before. I call it a conscious interrupt. It interrupted every lie that I'd ever told to myself up to that point. Change it. So if my mind is set on something, that's why the result is what it is. Change your mindset, change your life. So I literally started teaching myself how to do the opposite of in every area of my life where I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy with my health, I wasn't happy with my mind. I wasn't happy who I was dating. I wasn't happy in all these areas. And I was like, so what's that? What's the opposite of chasing women at a nightclub? Well, probably chasing a better version of myself and reading these books. And I literally, one by one, started doing that. I am 14, almost 15 years removed from that time. So my life skyrocket. Going down, tied to two anchors in an elephant is now skyrocket. Going up with Elon's 10 rockets that you can catch like you there. It's all going to. And it's effortless. That word, effortless.
Norman Vincent Peale was the book. Oh, yeah, that was. So did you read that before the homeless man gave you the wisdom on.
Three different occasions, not realizing that what I was reading was causing me to then take different actions, which was causing different results to happen.
So you before the parking lot of the gas station. Yeah. You had already read that book.
Yeah, and I had read it before I went to prison, and I had read it another time.
This is the same thing. See, although different men. Your journey is unique and the signature of your energies are the same. Khalil Rafati, where he wrote that book, I Forgot to Die, he was reading the spiritual books. His life wasn't a manifestation of it. Yet you mentioned Conor McGregor. He was using Law of Attraction before he ever attracted shit. Right, Right.
Yeah.
So by the time you got this homeless man that drop the bomb on your soul, you had already prepared yourself, which goes back to what you already said. It's. It's the fruits of your labor that come back around to give it to you back to give it back to you on a different part of your journey.
But the thing about it is, I didn't know, because you can't see the picture while you're in the frame. I didn't know that all of those books were preparing me. I had no idea. I'm just kind of just aimlessly going through life and like, cool things happen and then things stop happen. It wasn't until I started going to like, seminars on wellness and leadership seminars and personal growth. And they were like, if you find a really good book, keep reading it. And I was like, oh, there's like. Because the weeds. That's like the weeds of your mind can be overtake by the garden of your. By the garden of your past. So you got to keep tending the grass with developing. And I was like, that's why. That's why my life keeps going up and down, because I stopped reading, I stopped applying. But I didn't know that 15 years prior, when my life went up in modeling and music and down and then up and down and up and down. But ever since I got into personal growth, I was like, well, I'm going to go up forever. And even if my up doesn't show up as results, if I'm growing, I'm evolving. So however I got it, however difficult it is, I'm never going to stop reading books. I'M never going to stop. I turned my car into a university on wheels. And all I do, I don't even listen to music. All I do is listen to personal growth in areas of my life where I'm working on. So I'm getting way more than 10,000 hours of development. It's nonstop. I wake up, I listen. I work out, I listen. I do dishes, I listen before bed, I listen. When I go for a walk, I listen, Listen. Sana cold plunge. I'm listening. So when you're like a little kid that keeps listening to a song over and over and over, you can't stop singing it. Well, my new song came everything that was constantly developing my life and giving me new awarenesses and different ways to look at the same in the same direction.
What are you listening to right now?
A lot of wavelength and frequencies and theta. Lot of vibration. The, the, the, the, the. The frequency of pink, the frequency of purple. All of these different sounds because I'm just fixated on the resonance of the body.
And this came in part from your time in Egypt that you were sharing with me.
Yes. So it was about 30 something people who were 14, about 14 days in. In Egypt. And we went to 19 to 20 different pyramids. One of the last pyramids was the king's chamber. We were, we were in there for about 12 hours. And the majority of the time we were in there, we were singing the entire time, just singing. And I'm just like feeling things just retune in my body and I'm just like, man, this is wow, this is extraordinary. I lay in this, the king sarcophagus, and there was two voices at the end of the sarcophagus and two on the other. And they're just making this O sound. All of a sudden I get this download. Garen, we are now shifting into Earth 2.0. Just think in terms of an iPhone. They don't go from iPhone 6 to 7 to 8 and keep the same exact buttons and processing speed. So we are now shifting into Earth 2.0. There will be a human 2.0. It'll be the harmonized human. All of this is downloads that are coming through. And that is one who is in harmony with nature as it was designed. Everybody is out of balance, out of all these energies, masculine, feminine energies, Everything is all off balance. Garen, your job is to restore balance to nature as it was designed. It's not about making people wrong. It's about holding the line. Because, Garen, there's a reason why you were raised by all women. And then there was the, the, the streets and jail and prison raised your unhealthy masculine. You moved to, to Austin. You start loving, loving your father and your brother and everything. And then that groomed the healthy masculine so that you could become harmonized. And most the part of the men that they let in is the feminine that you fully accept inside of yourself. But you look like them. But they haven't accepted women in there like that. And the part of the woman that they've accepted you in is because you represent a level of safety in a masculine man they've never encountered in their entire life who doesn't want anything. And so you're the harmonize that sits right up in the middle to bring nature back into balance of everybody. So all of this was coming through and he said, garen, teach people how to activate their throat chakra. Because what's it, what allows you to flow and express what you authentically want to express comes from your power, your sacral chakra, your power belly. So if you don't have confidence here because you stuffed it down because you didn't want to speak up because your dad was overted and knock you down, that means you had to choose a different voice. And majority of the world are suffering in silence because they've never actually expressed their true voice. Like you said what your game is. My game in everything I've ever done was the person that, that gives permission slips because he's himself. In every room he goes into, he's authentically him. When he wants to sing, he'll sing. When he wants dance. When he wants a drum, the Next, you know, 300 people are dancing. And so that's how I even got into creating my, my company artist power. Because it was like, Karen, start with art, then take them to transformation. Because art is when they first learned how to exercise expression.
Well, I have to tell you, we have a new caretaker for our children and it's Elise, one of your students, which is amazing. So the energy that you've rippled out is already impacting our family. So shout out to Elise on the podcast.
Yes. Her art came online through that whole process.
And I can feel her genuineness and this genuineness. If you've done enough work on yourself, you have the esoteric knowledge, you have the non verbal language that allows you to see when someone's being authentically themselves or not. She's that way. And I think it's a testament to your work because everybody wants to express themselves, everybody wants to be authentic. But sometimes, man, in my Life. I'm figuring out in the moment what's authentically real for me as I share it.
Absolutely.
So I don't think it's.
It.
I think it's a disservice to this word authenticity.
Yeah.
Where one needs to hold themselves to being perfectly authentic at all times.
Absolutely.
Because I'm different than I was five minutes ago. To quote Alan Watts. Give yourself permission.
Yeah.
To be different. Five minutes.
Yeah.
Than what you were before. So I wonder, for you sitting here today.
Yeah.
This. This term, authenticity gets thrown around, but it's. It's weaved in the tapestry of your work.
Yeah. It gets thrown around by people who are not authentic.
Exactly.
And so when people who are not authentic throw it around now, the perception of authenticity loses its resonance. But then when somebody is actually authentic, that doesn't have to say it. When it does two things. What is that? Oh, my goodness, I'm intrigued. Or he's displaying a part of myself, of himself, that I haven't accepted inside of myself. So I'm gonna make up all kind of weird shit. I've been there before.
Yeah.
And so I used to know this. And so I would limit my real self. Like, my real self, the one who has a big personality, loves fashion. And it's like, okay, well, I'm going to position myself this way so maybe I can get on this person's podcast and say all the right things. I would do that.
Was it like that for you when you went on Impact Theory many years ago? Were you embodying that behavior then?
No, I had busted out, and I said, I need to be myself. And the first week I said, I need to be myself. I get a call from the.
That was it.
And I was like, that's my first podcast I was on. People try to go years, they tried to get on. My very first podcast was Impact Theory, and them reaching out and saying, we don't have any stories like yours on there. And I was like, this shit. All right, well, then maybe this personal development thing. Maybe this is the thing. If this is how we're starting off. So when. When. When people who are not being authentic then say, you need to be authentic, one, it creates great space for me to just be myself and not like I'm trying to be authentic. It's literally me simply being myself. The only places in my life that are not working are the places that don't lack my full presence. In order for me to be fully present, you have to have fully Garen. He fucks up, he miscorrect Mistakes, words. You know, sometimes fricking. He works all day and he shit and. And his wife has to come in and be like, Aaron, you smell. But Garen's being Garen because Garen's working all day. So he's not. He didn't think about food, he didn't think about all the. But it's just me.
Yeah.
I was at Genius Network annual event put on by Joe Polish. And it's. I mean, it's one of the most powerful business minded rooms in the country. And they gave me 10 minutes to do a 10 minute talk on their main stage two days ago. And I'm shitting my pants because I'm like, all right, so you got this guy as the owner of the Cincinnati Reds and this person, whatever. And I know what happens when thousands of people come and sign up for. For my containers. They know what they're going to get. These people had no idea. And a lot of people function from their analytics. And so I was just like, you know what, what would the real Garen do? He would create a safe space where the little kid inside actually feels like they can express themselves probably for the first time in their life. So what did I do? I went straight out there and I was just fully me and I just started singing, doing the pentatonic scale. I was like, sing with me. And next thing you know, you see these people in suits and ties singing. And I get them to stand up. All of a sudden they start chanting and people like, yo, what's happening? Next thing you know, within 10 minutes, all of a sudden, there's all these people that are like, man, I was on the verge of divorce. Something came came up through that song. And you. I always wanted to sing, and it's like, you gave me permission. I was like, no, you gave yourself permission. I just created the safety and the example of what that looks like just by being myself. So what I got was I can be myself in any room and that is worthy of being seen by myself. So for that I am seen without even trying to.
There's this illusion that I believed for so long. It's actually on the microphone right now. It's on the screen, y'. All. The upside down triangle, water, feminine energy. I put it in the logo of the podcast because that is what I am in process of mastering. I can't be something that I'm not.
Yeah.
And for me, I rejected the feminine part of myself for so long. Yeah. That part that is expanding and glowing and singing and playing like, that's the part of us when we're a little boy that's actually on fucking line. We just learn online.
And you don't run out of energy or ideas.
We just learn to disassociate it, because that's not what's going to make me a good football player.
Boys don't cry. I mean, all the ways in which we're programming, it's crazy.
So. So the way that you showed up on the polished stage wasn't polished. You weren't polished. You were integrating an experience based on every experience that got you to there. And you were probably fully tapped into the feminine energy that lives in your body.
Fully tapped in, bro. Fully tapped in. I've learned to accept because you. Here's the thing. Be like, oh, I'm embodied. You can't be embodied if you don't use your full self. So if we're all made up of masculine feminine energy, but you disconnect from the feminine part, you're gonna embody parts of yourself. And so I've learned that I get to love all of my parts. And the more and more I was able to, like, really accept and tap into my feminine energy, it actually allowed me to understand my wife a greater deal. I'll never know what it's like to be a woman, but utilizing that, I'm like, oh, wait a second. That's why she's always floating around. She goes to get her hair done or something, and I'm like, oh. Cause there's something that makes her float around and everything. And I'm just. And I'm looking. But the same. That same energy is the same energy that can hold space for a soul who's three years old and she's a little girl. And I can be protector provider at the drop of a fucking dime. And, baby, are you sad I'm right here? That's not masculine in you. When I'm like, oh, I'm right here. Meet her and her emotions. No, that's not. That's not masculine energy. That's the range of being able to oscillate between all energies, to connect with a whole human.
This is so good, what you're. I love how you put the handout right there because there's this fake. There's this pseudo bifurcation line between what it means to be a good man and what it actually is to be, for lack of a better term, your harmonized human. That you're presenting something in harmony means that there's no. There's no note. There's no sound out of resonance. All the sound vibrates in a way that it was designed to.
Exactly.
Yet when I grew up, my. My mom was manic bipolar, so I never really had a trustworthy source. And I love you, mom. Like, I got your back forever. I love you so much. But. But she, in her own unique journey because of the bipolar, didn't necessarily have the skills, the psychological tools to be that, I guess, embodied example of trustworthy feminine energy. So I spent the majority of my life pornography, having sex with a bun of women, even casting on my projections to my lady, Carrie Michelle, the mother of my two children. And what I learned through getting that sent back to me, that which I send to her or the women that I have taken advantage of in my past, which was a whole bunch of work, to actually move through that and realize that I just did the best I could and I met them on their journey because they were doing the best they could. But what I get from this is like, the more disconnected I am from this triangle.
Yeah.
Which is why it's in the podcast itself.
Yeah.
The heart of my life becomes. It's such a counterintuitive thing for a man that used to judge himself based on how many women he slept with.
Yeah, me too.
It's so wild. And so when you're up on that stage, you are the embodiment, true embodiment. It lives in your body of this balancing act of masculine and feminine energy. What do people get wrong about feminine energy in men?
They think that is weak. They think. They think feminine energy is weak. Let me tell you something about my wife. My wife is in her feminine essence. All the shit you see out me doing, all in the world because I'm strong enough to hold it are whispers that came from my wife. Her intuition comes online. And if you think feminine is weak, go out and swim in the middle of the ocean, where they've only discovered 5% of the ocean. And what's that strong the flow of the ocean? What's that strong that it can smush a submarine in 0.1 second? That's the power of a woman in her feminine. And they think this shit's real power. You have no idea when you don't have to lift a finger and shit just starts moving. Mother Nature. And so when a man.
Can.
Accept the feminine, you know, they're like, oh, no. Vulnerability is weak. Oh, really? Well, let me tell you about 2013, where I felt deathly afraid to share what was really going on in my life. I go on Facebook and I say, you think you know me you have no idea. I'm living in my car right now. All these different things, you know, first message I got from somebody is, I put the gun down when I read your testimony. Thank you for your strength. That taught me what real strength is. When you can actually bury your soul and not care what anybody else thinks, not try to position yourself a certain way. And however many tattoos or the biggest beard or whatever the stereotype is of a real man, fuck that, man. If you can be 100% authentically yourself without abandoning any aspect of yourself, man the level of harmony that you will have. And listen, all ships, not just the one that looks good on social media, all ships rise with the vibrational tide. So when you're in harmony with your true nature, everything must be in harmony. So that's where you don't have to focus on all the rivers. Might as well focus where all the power is with the which is the deep blue sea. You are the deep blue sea of the masculine and feminine energy. And once you harmonize, you actually transcend both constructs. That's where the harmonized man comes from. And so it's a new term, but it's not new to somebody in true full embodiment without trying to make it mean anything other than, I accept my full nature.
And you know what's crazy about this is the people that say, trust the science, as they've made science paradoxically a new God. What's so fascinating is if you look at the work of Emoto, or if you look at Paul Czech's work, or just sound frequency research and resonance, you know that when you look at plants, you look at humans, you look at any living thing when it's fed vibration that is healing. Like, I'm wearing this right here. This is the love tuner, right? Yep.
I have one at home.
It's amazing. And my son, he's like, daddy, I.
Want to blow it.
And he loves it, but because he's naturally drawn to that frequency. So when we're drawn to these frequencies that are healing for us, one could say, and I wonder how you feel about this. One could say that everything that we speak is a prayer that can help or harm. Every single word that comes out of my voice resonated with the water in my body.
Yep.
You've saved people's life that you didn't even know of. He put the gun down because you had the courage to share through your voice box.
Death and life is at the power of the tongue. I remember being a little kid and I'm saying, mom, I'm sick. I don't want to go to school. And I was perfectly fine. Mom, I'm sick. I'm sick. I'm sick. By the end of the day, I had 103 fever and I'm throwing up. And I didn't know what that was back then. I wasn't doing this kind of work. It was just I was unconsciously gathering the data so I can connect the dots. Looking backwards. The resonance, it's not the words. It's the frequency that the words hold. And each word has a resonance connected to it. It's like that. It's. It's not just a word. Dog. No, like that dog was. There's. There's a. There's a. There's a resonance associated. You look at notes on the keys, words are the same things, but in ABC terminology. And each one of those have a vibrational. That's why tranquility feels different than death. Death even. You said force. Something didn't just feel right. Force. I'm gonna fight for my freedom. Listen, I didn't fight for my freedom when I was in prison, but I did manifest and I gave myself freedom that nobody could give to me while I was in prison. And what was that? Oh, yeah, I forgot that I loved. I loved. I loved doing art when I was a little kid. It made me so happy. And I stopped. I forgot that I loved singing. Made me so happy. I stopped. I loved drawing stopped. I loved running stopped. So I'm in prison serving a 12 year sentence for smuggling 6.2 kilos of heroin. In that prison, they already tested the drugs three times. And then I felt free. After two something years in prison, there was just this embodied again. This embodied state of. I've never felt more free in my life in losing my freedom. Then they called me into the office. Jones. We retested the drugs, which they had no reason to. 90% was fake. And for the amount that was real, you've already done the time. You're free to go home. So I've invested since 2005, traveling all over the world to see what was that strong that it could override anything a human can say. They can override the drugs, like really three times. 6.2. But now it's just fake. When my energy changes, as above, so below, as within, so without. So the only thing that I kept coming back to, Energy, frequency, vibration. Everywhere I looked, every stone I unturned, like, what was that strong? Yes. God. And God has a frequency. Energy, frequency, and vibration. When I gave myself the frequency of Freedom. My life had to match.
This is the practical stuff that I really hope y' all rewind that and listen again and share it, because we just made that a clip. Yeah. This is actually the real practical for the people that are logical and linear.
Yeah.
That want to know the science and want to trust the science. What you just said can change someone's life if they meditate and they use mother as the repetition of skills to actually infuse it in their system.
Yeah.
Because we've heard it thousands of times from ancient masters and contemporary. When you change the way that you resonate, you speak to yourself. When you change your vibration. That's why people love to be around people with good vibes. The world reorganizes itself around you. I used to think that was such. I can remember listening to in the shower before I even launched the podcast. I was listening to Abraham Hicks, and she would say things like this. When you reorganize yourself, Wayne Dyer. When you reorganize yourself. I've heard it from so many people now, and I felt it so much on my own life, and I'm hearing it again from you. In jail, there's probably no greater place for you to be. Just be downtrodden and say to yourself, it's over. I'm behind bars. What was the spark that you felt inside of yourself to actually make this platitude of. When you change yourself, the world reorganizes around you? That platitude became real. It wasn't a platitude anymore. It was actually real for you.
Yeah.
So what. What was it in your heart that actually made that real?
Y so we were allowed to watch movies once a month. And Shawshank Redemption came on, which is a movie that's based out of prison. And Tim Robbins, which was the lead character, he said, they can take anything they want away from me, but they can't take away my mind. And it was something about that statement, and I was like, oh, my God. I know why I'm in prison. Because when I was free, you know what I used to say to myself? Every day I feel like I'm in prison inside of my own body. I feel like I'm so far away from where I'm supposed to be, and I look up so far away in Europe. You gotta understand, to this day, like, I never had a sip of alcohol in my life. And I was known as the cleanest person ever. And I'm in prison serving for smuggling drugs. My ego got ahead of me. I will allow my ego to get ahead of me. So I'm in prison. And then I freed myself in my mind. So that's why whenever, even Covid happened, it was like, oh, my God, lockdown. Lockdown. Now you can do all the shit you've been wanting to do. When you said, if I just had enough time. Because, see, I didn't feel sorry. Because when I was on lockdown and losing my freedom, I discovered my freedom. I'm like, oh. Something needed to sit me still for long enough so that I could recognize all the places outside of me where I gave my power away. And then in there, in enough stillness, Karen, it was you. It's you. It's you. Bring it back to you. Bring it back to you. Well, if they say God is in any and all things, and if I look in the mirror and I don't see God through my eyes, that's the disconnect. If I look up in the sky, I'm like, oh, my goodness, the eclipse, the stars and everything. And I look in the mirror and I'm like, I hate myself. The disconnect is between you and God through you. And so when I tapped in, be still and know that I am God. I am as God. It was me. So I brought everything back. I brought everything back, and my energy body grew. So think in terms of, like, babies. It's a seed, and it grows too big for the womb. And then what was once produced on the inside is produced on the outside, called birth. My womb was prison. But then I built my energy body because I was giving myself love. Well, every container, even this glass right here, Keep pouring, keep pouring, keep pouring. It's going to spill over into the next container. So I poured into my own cup. Most people, they're like, I give and I give, and when is it going to come? Yeah, you left yourself out of the giving. You want people to benefit from your overflow, not your exhaust. So I gave and gave and gave. Prayer, meditation, breathing. Before I even knew what that was. I'm just doing what the books say. I stopped using my right hand, and you start using my non dominant hand for two years. I didn't even know that. Exercise a different part of my brain. How are you going to be embodied if you don't use your whole body? So I was unconsciously doing all of these practices simply because I was trying to keep my mind off of being bored. And I ended up creating crazy practices that I've taught to millions of people all over the world on how to free themselves from their. From. From their own Prisoners Internally.
One of my favorite songs is from Bob Marley, and he says, emancipate yourself from mental slavery. It's like, the most. Is like the most beautiful. We all want that. We hear it. We're like, yes. Something comes alive. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our mind. Yeah. And you did it in prison, which I'm going to go back to it because I still. I still need clarity. I'm just looking at you, this beautiful gem right here. Behind the gem is your heart. And your heart was literally fortified, almost like galvanized. You know, when you make a sword, you have to hit it on an iron block and put it in the fire and take it back out. That's the hardest place I think anybody could ever be in. I don't know of a harder place. I'm not gonna sit here and bullshit you. I don't know what it's like to be physically in a prison. I do know what it's like to be in a mental prison.
Well, this is what I tell people all the time. You don't have to have gone to prison like I did, to be in a 9 to 5 job that you know you don't wanna be in. And you stay in it for 20 years. There's your prison. In a relationship, you know, you don't wan. And for some reason, that little boy or that little girl inside has attachment issues and you stay in that relationship. That's also prison. And so it makes all of us on the same playing field.
Yes. Although some of it's glorified. Like your. Your example can be glorified.
Yeah.
And so there's had to have been times where, look, your journey is unique. It's. It's severe. Yeah, it's pretty severe. You're in jail. You almost took your own life.
Yep.
Your life was almost taken from you. At 4. Your father was murdered. Like, that's. That's a very, very challenging road.
Yeah.
You could have at any point in time said, I give up. Yep, I give up. So for somebody with us listening in. In this vibration that you're creating. That we're creating.
Yeah.
Where do they actually meet themselves so that they can unhook the cage of their own prison? Where, where and how does that happen?
Well, one, you got to want to change. And then two, community. It was. I did not know. You know, when they say you are the five, you're the sum total of the five closest people that you hang out with.
Yeah.
Community is language. Community is currency. That's why? You know, our government is doing everything they can to separate us from themselves. Listen, I don't want to hate you because you're white. I don't want to hate you because you voted for Trump or Kamala or. I don't. I'm done with that. That system actually doesn't work for the elevation of the human spirit. That is a flawed system. It's straight, I win, you lose. Actually, if I win, you lose. I would rather I don't even do business for. I win, you lose. It's like, win for you, win for me, win for the world. That is always good. It's insurmountable success because everybody feels good for me. And where I sit inside of my own consciousness, it matters to me that you. You feel seen and heard and you feel gotten. So I'm going to do that because that's what I want. And living in a world where everyone. They're doing everything to separate us from us. I'm doing every. I'm doing the counter opposite. I'm doing everything to bring us back to us and actually make it united. But this time, it's the united state of myself and the united state of you. And if you give your vote to anyone outside of before, you give yourself research and money and be upset with yourself because you're not feeding your family, you already lost, no matter if your candidate won or not. And so the place is in community, because now me and you, we can start breaking bread. Hey, what are you working on? And you say something, you need support with anything. Boom. All the good. Oh, my goodness. I know a guy.
Yeah.
I wonder what would happen if us as humans take this meat suit, this skin stuff all the. Take that all the way, and us as humans got together with everything that's inside and was like, what can we create together? That seems like it would make sense why they would want to separate us. Because if we did, even me and you right now. Clear the questions you're asking. I can tell you're a very educated human. And the way I'm answering them, I know you can tell. I wonder what would happen if we just got together and be like, yo, what are you up to? What are you up to? How can I. Probably something better than each of us are doing when two or more minds come together. So for anyone looking to find a community that is living in the direction that you want to live and go immerse yourself in that community. A year from now, you will not be the same person. Read the books that they're reading. If they're in health. You do it because you. You'll end. It's a language. You'll be doing it. And just immerse yourself. Don't tap in. Like, literally immerse yourself in. And that is the. The. The Magic Mushroom to Super Mario Brothers. Going to the next level is through community.
Yes. You know, I felt this. Mark Groves. I don't know if you're familiar with his work. Create the Love is his brand.
Okay.
Huge, huge podcaster. He had an event here in Austin, and he was like, hey, I want you to open up for me. Speak. 15 minutes. Of course I felt the fear because I don't usually do that.
Yeah.
But it was so empowering and so liberating because I just went up there and I said, listen, I have no idea what I'm gonna say. That was how I started.
You broke the ice with me right away.
I have no idea what I'm gonna say. And this is what I think liberation is. It's this capacity and courage to say no to anything or anyone that doesn't align with my soul.
Yeah.
Real easy for me to say. That doesn't mean it's simple to integrate. So that's what I'm doing here with you on this podcast. All my questions come from that place.
Absolutely.
They come from that place. How do I liberate myself? How do I live free? Mentally, spiritually, emotionally, financially, how do I do it? Physically, how do I live free? When I was a little kid, you know what I used to think all the time? The first thought I can ever connect to when I was a child, why are these adults so angry at each other? What is this tax thing? Why are you people fighting? So I used to think in my mind when I was super small, La Mesa, California, growing up on welfare, eating Velveeta cheese. Like, y' all know there's a better way than this, right? This can't be it. This can't be the whole thing. And it's been this series of letting go, letting go, letting go. I used to think that cutting off the tip of a boy's penis was normal because that was my indoctrination. I used to think that a woman's place was in the home. That was my indoctrination. I've been indoctrinated so deeply in my life that really, to come home to Josh, the only way I can do that is by letting go of the all. All the indoctrination and all, really, the poisoning that might have even come from a good place. My parents might have even meant it when your mom told you you can't do that and you challenged her and said why? She was coming from a loving place.
Yeah, so was my parents.
They were coming from their own construct of being socialized or indoctrinated themselves. So I wonder what is the antidote? What is the antidote? I kind of feel like I know it, but I want to hear you say it. Well, actually, antidote to this indoctrination, I.
Can give people an example on how to train themselves out of the constructs that we've all come up inside of. And that little symbol that you just did with your hands. So if everybody can just really quickly close your eyes and you can do it too. It's going to blow. It's going to blow your mind.
If you're driving, pull over it.
Yeah. If you're driving, pull over.
Yeah.
All right, so now I want you to just, just count with me and we're just going to count in a straight line. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Now we're going to go backwards. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. 1, 2, 3, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. Now make both of those go at the same time and don't try to count them the way you normally count. It can't go in a straight line, it has to go in a circle. So the 10, 9, 8 is going to go at the exact same time as the 1, 2, 3. Now 1, 2, 3, 4. You gotta let that go. How counting normally happens. So the 1 and the 10 are going. And the 9 and the 2 are going. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6. Now just see the circle and the circle and the circle and the circle. 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4. Okay, now open your eyes. If you did that for five minutes a day, the way in which you will adapt to change, not be so attached to things and then start to see life in a multi dimensional way. Since we're multi dimensional beings, we're literally not linear beings, but they teach us to read and think linearly in an unlinear linearly world. All I did was give you multi dimensional counting so that you could tap into your multi dimensional thinking as you were designed. And now you leave the straight line and everything becomes this. Now you're like, oh my goodness. This is how they created the flower of life. So try it on five minutes a day and watch how much more effortless it is to let go of the Construct and just allow yourself to surrender to what is.
You know, what's interesting is in community they tend to sit in circles. That way you can see each other. So when one person speaks, everybody listens. I think about, I think it was the, I don't know which, which branch of, of Indians it was, but they would pause and they would all take a breath when somebody would share because they were looking at each other, they were connecting with each other. And you're resonating again, wisdom, true wisdom that probably has been resonating for hundreds and hundreds of years. But with the input of zoom and social media and these things that are like pseudo connect, they're not real connection, we can still wield these things. I mean you have almost half a million people on your Instagram and then your other channels and there's ways in which to use the, the non loving part of the sword. The sword that was designed with two sides of both helping and harming people. I think social media can be an incredibly powerful tool.
Yeah.
But in order for you to hold that, there's got to be some place in you that has done enough work to be mature enough to hold it. Because if not, you can fall prey to Garen's a badass. And everybody should listen to what I say 100. Look how amazing.
And I, and I, I tried that and it didn't work. I tried that.
How so how did you try that? What do you mean?
Well, by the time I, because I never grew up hearing Garen's amazing and he's a badass, I never heard that. So hearing it, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm amazing and I'm a badass. And then all of a sudden it was ripped out of my hands. Just as fast as my life was growing, was just as fast as it was taken away. I did not know how powerful. If you allow the ego to lead the level of self destruction it can create in your life. But it wasn't until I started doing that personal growth and I just like man. And finding great people to be around, it was that it's like people like, oh, they get blinded by the money and then they start following assholes, you know, and then I'm like, no, I don't fuck about your money. I'm like, yo, what, what do you, what's your family like?
Yes.
Let me see if that translate that. Leadership. The people around you are broke and you're the only one making money that'll tell me you have a deep need to feel needed. Do you know how to lead effective leaders, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like looking at that. I'm looking at the people around you. I'm looking at how you lead your family, how you treat your wife. Those are values that matter to me. So I'm like seeing that and then I'm looking at this. If that's not matching, that's going to tell me a lot about how you're deciding to lead. So either you're unaware or you're hiding something. And I've, I've been, I mean, I came before I was in the personal growth. I was in the Hollywood scene. So I was around everybody that's glorified, but I was also behind the scenes with them. And I'm like, oh, this is all like charades.
Yeah.
If, if I ever get the spotlight, that's not going to be me. Somebody needs an example. I'm not going to say I'm real, but I do my best to be fully myself. And you don't have to be like Garen. But the only thing I encourage you is to duplicate being yourself.
How much in personal development have you used the art and science really of neuro linguistic programming? Because you said you choose your words carefully. You don't want to just take up space. How much of the power of language and of the structure of language have you studied and have you practiced to make that real?
Well, here's the thing. Before I study nlp, it's, it's in everything. It's like in freaking buy this gasoline for like unleaded is this price and then there's this price and there's this price right there. And the neuralistic program is. You've never picked the middle one. You always pick the the because it's everywhere you look. So we've all like, all of us have been doing it our whole lives. That's why kids don't need to take a class on rejection or anything to understand sales. You're like, can I have this? No. Can I have this 20 minutes later? How are they doing it? They're persistent. They use 20 different ways, they change their energy, they look, their eyes, everything. We've all done it. Yeah, the NLP just give us the language to back it up by science. But once I realize everything is connected to everything, I just find different ways to say the same thing. And sometimes I'm in a room full of people who are fully science. I'm not going to, you know, I'll use certain language that resonates with them. But still coming From a deeply spiritual place. But I'm not going to say something that's going to take them out of the resonance. Then you got to know your audience. That's why it's not like I'm gonna come out to this gangster rapping audience and all of a sudden I'm like twirling ballet. You deserve to get booed because you didn't know your audience. So I think more the question is, I'm a nerd at learning many different ways to say the same thing. Because I travel all over the world and not everybody understands everything a certain way. So I'll try this, and I'll try this, and I'll try this. I'm just a student. I'm a true student at this game of evolution.
When you're in the sauna and when you're creating the library in your car with the frequencies and the bugs.
Why.
Is that so important to you at this stage in your life? You're 45, with two children, business, you hold a lot. Right. And anybody that has a big game, they deserve to hold a lot. And that's the work, paradoxically, is to hold it. What is the training that you're going through with these frequencies and this education? What is it actually healing inside of you? Like, what is the thing, even at this stage of your life.
Yeah.
That you're still healing?
I'll share with you. Well, one, I feel like the essence of life is growth. Like a tree is not going to be like a. I'm done producing fruit.
Yeah.
You know, it's going to grow until it's done. That's what Jim Rohn said. And it's like in a Stretch his limbs down as far as possible, up as high as possible, produce as many fruit as possible. Me too. Because of human nature, I'm going to connect to this nature part. So because I want to grow until I'm done, I'm going to do everything possible to be the biggest, brightest, not more. Because more is never enough. But, like, better. Is better to be a more a better father? Like, listen, better be a better husband. I always want to evolve because the moment you stop evolving, you're literally dying. You might as well walk around with a shovel in your hand. And you might not see the physical death, but the cemetery is not where you see the most dead people. It's people walking around every. Every day with something that's died inside of them. So for me, I found a new game, which I didn't even realize was in my life the entire time. Part of this expression. When I was singing, my greatest gift in music was harmonies. Like, literally they would say, how did you. I would have scholars listen to the way I wove together harmonies. They're like, these two notes aren't supposed to go together. So how did you do that? I was like, because I never focused on fish perfection. I focused on feeling. So I would take all of these different notes to produce a specific sound. When I left the music industry, I was in a journey. Psilocybin journey. And I was like, I just feel bad. I feel like, you know, my greatest creative capacity is gone. And then all of a sudden, 20 minutes later, they're like, garen, when you said f the music industry, after somebody like took credit for something that I did, didn't give it to me. You also left your greatest capacity to create. That doesn't mean that you can't still use that. And I was like, but I don't do music anymore. They're like, garen, you do music every day. Why do you think you're so good at creating communities? Your new notes became people. And I'm like, what do you mean? Well, when you push a key on a piano, that produces a vibration which emits a frequency inside of every human. They're vibrational beings that emit a frequency. So just like in music, there's no such thing as a bad note. It's just surrounded around the wrong combination of notes. So that's why you can bring all of these different black, white, gay, straight, trans, non trans. You can bring all these different people together and then you produce this note called the transcendent frequency. They like, there's just potency of Love Without Borders. Like literally there's not a non restricted note that you're able to create in communities. So all of this is coming through. And then I went to go study. I'm like, oh my God, what is this energy frequency vibration? And I'm like, it comes back around again. So now I turn people and teach them how to retune themselves in an auditorium full of people who never thought that they can. They could sing the number one Fear even more than death, People public speaking. And I'm gonna close this really quick. But what they fear even more is public singing. Why? I get underneath the resonance and try there's trauma and there's a vibration underneath the trauma. It's just. It's just an energy that never felt safe enough to express itself. Pitch glass broken. All right, cool. Well, then that tells me about this human vessel that in the right resonance in the right harmonic resonance, any trauma can be lifted. You can rise in vibration. And in this world of music, if you can teach people how to tune their own instruments, they'll realize just how powerful they are. Oh, shit. It makes sense why they control the music, because those who control the music control the people. So I found a new game called teaching you how to play your own music through your own vessel. So you can't be controlled.
And when you're expressing, you can't be monetized. If you express yourself enough and you start playing this game you're talking about at the highest level, depending on wherever you are in the scale of growth, you can't be fucked with. You literally can't like expressive being. So I think about Taylor in the studio, our podcast producer, and he's singing on the stage Rage against the Machine, like, fully in power. Right. How many people look at that and might be like, I want to do that too, but I can't because of abcdefg.
Yep.
It's these unconscious ways that we block ourselves from singing, from playing. And there's a physiology here I can't let you know unless we talk about this physiology.
Perfect.
There's a physiology to our voice.
Yeah.
And it's both spiritual and biological.
Absolutely.
They're weaved like a tapestry on a wall. It's real.
Yeah.
I have felt this in my life. When I started the podcast, I wanted to be perfect, and you could feel it in my voice that I wasn't being myself.
Yep.
I wasn't being me.
Absolutely.
And now I just go for it. And if I fuck up, so be it. Right. Because we're just humans anyway.
Absolutely.
So I wonder, for the people that want to sing, that want to express, that really want to do it, do they have to go to a training? Do they have to be in community? I think yes, I think we do have to be in a community, because you can sing in front of a mirror, but really the fear is singing in front of others. Right. So is that really the game that is going to elevate humanity is by people learning what the old shamans would do? Right. I learned this from Paul. Check. When they knew somebody was sick and they would ask them four questions. When did you stop singing? When did you stop dancing? When did you stop spending time alone? And when did you stop honoring the mystery of life? I threw in an extra one. It's the singing part that I think scares people. I mean, it's been a minute since I've sung on the podcast before.
Yeah, well, check it out. The little kid most of the time stops singing because, oh, you can't sing, you can't dance. You hear it? We get bullied, we get brutalized. So I won't say that, that, but I, I believe that when you can tap into your innate nature, into your childlike wonder, there's an energy that a child has and you and I both have, I have three and you have two where they, they feel unstoppable. Yeah, they're operating in their bigness. Always something massive. They never, they never run out of ideas. They keep creating, they won't stop, push every button, open up everything, break everything. What I'm saying is if you can learn to go back into that energy, of course you're going to have discipline. That's the only thing that's going to be different. And you can allow yourself to be in childlike wonder and be like, why is this happening to me? You're like, oh, I see, this is happening to me. Tell me more about that. And you start to get curious and wonder and you start to play with ideas and you can start to see just the intimacy of love in everything that is going on in the world. Something peculiar happens to the body and you start activating like the deepest reaches of your heart. EKGs are the hardest, most powerful frequency in the world. You start activating your heart like less head, more heart. True intelligence isn't found in the head, it's found in the body. When my wife was giving birth, they were like, oh, push. She was like, I didn't have to push. Something else was pushing. Yes, that's called intelligence. It's found in the inherent wisdom in the body. There's brain cells in your gut. Your gut is connected to all that, opens up this whole vortex of information that has every single one that has your DNA lineage in there. All of these different strands, they may have had gifts that they not expressed, but because their DNA is inside of yours, they're just waiting for you to say, I'm the leader of my lineage. I actually choose to be the one to be open, to be available, to be vulnerable. So sometimes, just like you might incur a trauma that could be your dad's dad's, dad's. Well, guess what? You can also incur a gift, some of your spiritual gifts. You have no idea. The child that feels safe in full self expression opens up the gateway to the lineage. I'll just leave that there.
My heart's pumping because I literally just yesterday put out a reel that my children are here to teach me. How to be a better adult. Literally just yesterday.
Yeah.
And it's so truthful that we all can feel it when we're parents. And by the way, you don't have to be a parent of a biological child. You can adopt. You can have your business like a child. If you really tune into the wisdom of children, they are the most potent, powerful teacher, I think, on planet Earth. Which is why to go full circle around. That's why Jesus put children in his lectures, so that people could see what a beginner's mind is before all the cloudiness and the sootiness and the crap of, like, projections and ideas that people that loved us put there. I think that's the magic. That's really what you're speaking.
I am so grateful for Soul. She taught me how to just be little Garen again. And then she's three. And then my daughter, Chief. I mean, my son, Chief, he's three months old. And, dude, it's like freaking 28 inches. Just long and just stocky. And I'm looking into his eyes, I'm like, why? Feel like something is changing. And I realized, oh, my goodness. My dad was a broken man looking at me when I was a newborn baby. So I actually never got the opportunity to be a newborn baby receiving a healthy, masculine man. So when I look into Chief's eyes, I imagine him being the newborn baby version of me. And I imagine me being my dad. And it's literally healing in real time and also all of the lineages of man. And so he is holding me accountable. And I know it, I know it, that every fiber of my being to being the kind of person that can model what he's here to do. And if I settle, it's like me putting Chief on the table and saying, you're not worth it, Soul on the table. You're not worth it. So I'm just gonna give you all of my emotional baggage. No, fuck that. Like, I'm gonna do whatever I've gotta do. I'm gonna get any mentor, I'm gonna take any test. I'm gonna travel around the world. I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do. So at least these kids don't have to take my stuff. And this is how I want to. This how I want to father. Sometimes it's not just taking them to school, sometimes it's taking yourself to school.
Yeah.
And. And giving them the opportunity. Giving them that full opportunity to live their life without carrying your stuff.
My game that I shared with you is the ultimate tool for my own growth. That's why my game is. I'm emotionally regulated. It just came through this year. My game used to be something different.
Yeah.
But I actually manifested this as part of my old game, which is amazing. These games work, y'.
All.
That's what I'm trying to say. These games work. If you treat it like a real.
Game, create a game you actually like playing.
Create a game that you want to get up to and play.
Yeah.
Not because it's fake on a controller, but because you're the one that's actually bringing it to the world. And so in closing, it's this, the. The game that I'm playing where I'm emotionally regulated and I express my authentic self and that brings abundance that I get to share with you people I love. That's a hard game for me sometimes. Nobody said the game's going to be easy. The game you talked about, this effortless game. I want to push on you a little bit.
Yeah.
Because there's got to be times where it doesn't feel effortless, like you have a big game.
Yeah.
You want to serve a lot of people. Like, I feel like it would be a disservice to say it's always effortless. Is it always effortless?
I tell you, whatever you. Whatever you make, whatever you give meaning, you'll be right. So what people call difficult, I say, thank you for my training as an athlete. Coach used to give me nine back to back two hundreds with 45 seconds rest. And I'd be like, oh, coach, why you have to make it so difficult? So when difficulty comes, I literally welcome it with gratitude. It's all on how you receive the thing. But if you're like, oh, pay attention. What happens to your body instantly close up? So because I changed them, I make meaning. I give the meaning I want. Anytime you see somebody do anything effortless, like Steph Curry and those. And those three pointers, I guarantee you he's done 10,000 more shots than everyone else. So the effortlessness comes from the level of work that I'm committed to doing to expand my capacity. Is it difficult? Yes. But the way that it looks as I go about my life, they're like, damn, but how? Because you have no idea what I've been doing in the lab. Me waking up 4:20 every single morning. Why do you do that? I was like, well, I got a baby and another baby, and I got to figure out that time there's no lights. Then I come back because I want to work out in the dark with no light so I can Train for the dark. But who trains for the dark? You know, you just. Shit happens. You gotta figure out how to adjust. I literally train in the dark. I run with no lights, five to ten miles every morning, and I go and work out. There's no lights in my gym. And I'm just training, literally in the dark. So I'm training for the effortlessness. And the whole time I'm saying, thank you for making me better. Thank you for making me wiser. Thank you for making me stronger. And anytime something just pops out and just throws a curveball, I'm like, thank you for my pop quiz. I'm already prepared to make it to the next level, because any vision you have in life, it will unlock the equal of its resistance. So I'm already knowing that this is a package that comes together. But I don't treat the resistance like most people treat the resistance. The resistance is coach that designed a specific plan just for me to carry out this mission. And because I'm on a. I'm on a completely different time. I don't even breathe the same as everyone else. I take 1, 2, 3, 1, 2. That's how I breathe when I run. I'm playing a completely different game. So the effortlessness and the gratitude, which is the glue that holds life together, makes everything appear to be easy. It's not easy in the setup, but the why I'm doing it, what I'm committed to. I'm willing to grow through anything, go anywhere, climb any mountain, so that my life has a breath and I have consistent peace. And then I designed my life and the way that I have mentors in every area, almost every area of my life, so that I can manually update my iPhone so it doesn't have to just crash, because I don't have a system set up for it.
So you train in the hardest ways so that when life brings you the hardship, it doesn't feel as hard.
100%.
You literally take yourself to the places that most people don't want to go, and then you experience results that most people never do.
Yeah.
I mean, I said that reductionistically, of course.
No, no, no.
It doesn't mean it's that simple.
No, you gave me simple. My wife does that all the time. She's like, so basically you do this. I was like, I like the way your brain just did that. That's so good. Yeah, that's what it is. I will take myself through voluntary discomfort.
Yeah.
Because I know I will beat the random hard things that show up. I will beat it to the punch, I was like, no, you don't have to give me something hard. I'll get there first. And then in some weird way, in a way, the universe works. The random things don't often happen no more.
Not that Mike Tyson is the embodiment of sacred masculine. I do think he's had a beautiful journey. I don't know if you've seen trajectory.
Yeah.
But one thing that he said that reminds me of what you said, that is just this ultimate universal wisdom that we all share, is he said discipline. I love it. I actually love my discipline. It's something that feeds my soul. And I think discipline is looked at like, oh, my God, Garen, you get up at 4 in the morning, you work out in the dark. What are you crazy? That craziness, that ability to lose your mind by doing hard shit is exactly what Mike Tyson did to become the world's greatest boxer.
And I'm gonna give you one example. So me training in the dark, like, literally all of a sudden, I was faced with something. It was in a crowd of people, and there was somebody that was harnessing a really dark energy. It was nasty and it was, like, weird. All of a sudden you just saw this pillar that was standing right there. And whatever he was trying to do to me, he couldn't do it. And because he couldn't do it, he went away. I didn't even have to lift my finger. Everybody's like, what the. Oh, I trained for this shit every single day. So it's like when dark comes, it's. You know what I'm saying? So it's. I trained for it.
You know, I didn't think I was going to share this, but it's a good way to end and start something new. Is the way in which, in the past, I judged you because I thought it was spiritual narcissism and spiritual bypassing.
Yeah.
Because there's a hyper focus with you on what is good, what is love.
Yeah.
This mindset that you learned from the book, from the homeless man.
Yeah.
And now that I've actually spent time with you, I can see my own judgment in the projection that I gave to you. It's beautiful.
It's so beautiful. Yeah.
Because I see it exactly for what it is. Right. We have to spend time with each other.
Yes.
To really know each other. And when we meet each other, we're really just this amalgamation of projections based on the trauma and the experiences. We've done the exact same thing you. You people have told me.
Yeah.
I thought you were this, like, Jock weirdo that was, like, totally disconnected.
Yeah.
And then they listen to the podcast. They're like, oh, he talks about meditation and loving himself, and he's cried on the pot. So these are all the things. So I'm sorry for that.
My guy.
Right. I appreciate if y' all come on.
If the world, especially men. And I'm just gonna feel into my feminine heart right now, if brothers could come together and do and display. Just, fuck, man. I was off. I apologize. Boom.
That's it.
I swear. There'll be less suicides.
Yeah.
Less domestic abuse, less drugs, less, like, unhealthy porn. And we could actually build the things that we were called to build. So here is mine and Josh's invitation. You just saw what Josh just modeled right now. Find one man in your life. Find one. Just one. Settle the differences, own your shit, and just be like, you know what da da? And, like, get it out there and give him the opportunity to see what transformation looks like. You will transform your life in ways that you couldn't even fathom.
Thanks for being on the show.
Thank you for having me.
Thanks for waiting on the marinade.
Let's go.
It was a solid marinade.
Yeah.
I always end the show with the question that goes back to what I shared with you that I was wondering about when I was a kid, and that is, how do I live my life well? Why are these adults all angry? What the hell is all this interstitial tension? This is just craziness. And really, at the core of that is. And what this podcast is about is how do I develop the wisdom to know how to truly live my life? Well, that's why we're putting wellness and wisdom together. They're not separate. They're whole.
Yeah.
And so what can you share as parting guidance as to the wisdom that you've gathered? What wisdom wants to come through you as to how we can actually live our life? Well, in other words, what is wellness to you? How do you define wellness, well being?
What is that for you on everybody out there right now? Put your left hand on your heart, right hand on top of the other. Take a deep breath in your nose and out your mouth. In your nose and out your mouth. In your nose. Out your mouth with a smile. In your nose. Out your mouth with a sigh. In your nose. Out your mouth with a sigh. In your nose. Out your mouth with a saw. In your nose. Out your mouth with a song. In your nose. Out your mouth with a song. In your nose. Last one. Out your mouth with a song. And just Pay attention to your body wasn't about if you sang bad. It was about you gave yourself self permission to express yourself. True. Well, being is allowing yourself. The full permission to be in the spirit of your own wellness, which is your full self expression. You just hold that and pay attention to your body. Notice how we're activating patience, love, and kindness and open up your eyes. It can be that simple. Permission will grant you the doorway to yourself.
Thank you, man.
You're so very welcome.
That's a hell of a way to end a podcast. All right, y', all, we all have problems. Stop hiding.
Yeah.
Live your life liberated.
Amen.
Let Garen let me in. Our imperfect beauty and your imperfect beauty.
Yeah.
Let that be the guide.
My problems become a new game for me. And I'm just like, all right, we got to figure this one out.
Let's play a different game.
Let's do it.
Thank you for being my guest.
Thank you so much.
All right, y', all, until we see you again, we're both wishing you love and wellness. We'll see you soon.
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