This podcast excerpt (Josh Trent interviewing Rachel Fiori) centers on shifting from intellectual, mind-driven living into a heart-centered, embodied way of being. Fiori emphasizes that the mind runs repetitive, often irrational "programs" and should function as an employee rather than CEO; she invites listeners to "get out of your head, drop into your heart," describing heart energy as the source of true joy, calm, and transformational healing. The chunk also outlines that the method is sequential and practical—left-brain steps (breathing, observation, homework) guide one over time into somatic heart connection—and clarifies that "heart space" and "heart chakra" are used interchangeably.
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There's this fundamental question that you ask, and that's what programs am I running? The second question that's really powerful that I haven't heard. I heard Hawkins talk about this similar in power versus force and also in letting go the pathway of surrender, but I haven't heard it from anyone. Like, I heard it from you. And that was, let's get out of your head and into your heart. Because thinking ruins everything. And when I heard that, I was just like. It was like, oh, yeah, okay, cool. And of course, I fought it because, you know, I came from a situation in my life where it was like, if I'm intellectually strong, then people can't fuck with me. If I'm smart and if I articulate myself, then people can't fuck with me. But the most vulnerable place for all of us is what Hawkins and what you talk about. And that is the space between the head and the heart.
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So please share this concept, because this is the crunch, this is the application of this work, and this is what people can do right after this podcast, they can start this process right now.
Get out of your head. Drop into your heart. Thinking ruins everything. That's my saying. And I say that, and I mean it literally. This is where we run our mental programs. This is where we say that person is behaving a certain way. That must mean. And then we start to tell our crazy stories. So here, let me give a little secret. Everybody ready for the secret? No matter who you are on this planet, your mind is batshit crazy. It's crazy. You're batshit crazy. I mean, batshit. Like lit. Do you ever really pay attention to your mind and what it says? If you work from the Fiori transformation method and you start doing this work, you're gonna see what your mind is actually saying about everything and everyone every moment of the day. Our minds are crazy. Our minds are never meant to be the CEO. Never. They're meant to be the employee. They make great employees. Terrible CEOs. So when we drop into our heart, and most people associate heart with pain, that's the problem. That's why they're so resistant, and that's just because they're disconnected from the emotional body. The emotional body doesn't mean pain. You cannot feel bliss that is in the core center of your heart. When you're not anchored into your heart, you will never experience what actual joy is. You'll experience happiness. It's superficial. It's very fleeting. You will not ever have a clue and be able to experience what joy actually is let alone bliss. When you're not anchored into your heart, you're denying yourself from the very gifts we're here to receive while we move through this human experience. So when you learn what it really means to drop into the heart, that's your source of power. Open your heart. Instead of have it close to everything that's quote unquote negative. Open your heart, command your heart to open, anchor in and learn what it means to allow the power and the light that you are to grow and expand in the face of anything. That can only happen when you're connected to heart energy.
So I know the only way to really have mastery for my next question is to do it, to experientially do it. And that means the Masters, Masters of Self university dot com. So go there right now if you are called to this work, if it quote, resonates with you. Yeah. But I do want to ask you, can you take us through a quick process of what that entails? You know, how do we. It's an intellectual question. Don't you love. I'm asking you, I'm asking you. A heart based practice from an intellectual space. But it's true. I mean we're in it. We're in a physical body. We're half beast, half spirit. So we got to know how to do it here in the 3D. How do we do that? How do we. How do we go from head to heart and not be so woo woo and esoteric that we wind up in a circle wearing a big purple cape?
Yeah. Because this work is not that. Beautiful question. I love your question. It's a beautiful question. Because this work is not that. It's a. I'm going to first circle back to what I mentioned earlier. And that's the human spirit integration point. I take people into the human spirit integration point. You're never denying your humanness. There is very simple, easy. Here's step one. Here's step two. Here's your work for this week. Here's your workbook. Here's your curriculum. It takes you step by step by step to do it. But simultaneously there are the teachings of. Here's how you apply it. Here's how you integrate it. Here's how you pay attention to. Oh, you got triggered. Okay, so now pay attention to your mental programs. What mental programs are running? What you keep track of these things? What emotional programs, behavioral programs. Oh, now we get to see the truth of how we're really showing up in our relationships. Which is look at all the programs. I'm Running that has nothing to do with your partner. It has everything to do with unhealed woundedness. And so as people learn step by step in a very simple strategic process and there is a sequential order for the process. There is part of this that is very left brain work, but the left brain work, literally, this is what's so funny and ironic. It takes you from your head, do this, do this, do this. It's a simple practice, this. It slowly pulls people down, drops them down into their heart over time, organically. Why?
That's the key phrase, isn't it?
Over time, over time, over time. As long as you do your homework and as long as you apply and you really do it, there is no way to not succeed. That's the best. That's the beauty. That's the best part. There is no such thing that this doesn't work. You're a divine being. This is divinity at its core. There's no such thing. There is such thing as you not doing it. That's your free will choice coming into play that you don't want to do the work. You're letting your fear based programs get in the way. Your avoidance programs get in the way. Your 15 year old inner child shows up and takes over and throws a fit. Instead of seeing what the child needs to heal and how deeper you can go if you don't allow the child to run the show. See, there's so many parts to this but you move through it in a sequence, one bite sized piece at a time. And as long as you take the bite and you chew it and you swallow it, guess what? You'll poop it out, it'll be gone.
Everybody poops.
So that's it, Everybody poops.
And it's very. And you make it sound so simple, you know, behind me you might not see it cause I got a brand new camera. Cause we're just amazing. I love doing this podcast with you. It's been so inspiring so far and so has this work been, but it hasn't always been easy. There was one concept you shared with me about the heart chakra versus the heart space. And I wasn't really sure if I was going to ask you this, but I think it does help people connect to what we're talking about, which is how do we get out of our head and into our heart. So we're very familiar with the chakras and the energy systems, right all the way from the sacral, the root, all the way to our third eye and beyond. So what does it really mean to Be in our heart space. And can you use whatever language is appropriate to describe to us that the heart would actually hear?
Absolutely. So being in the heart space, I tend to use that term because not everybody is well versed in what their chakras are. And sometimes when you don't know what that means yet, it can be a little intimidating. And then you kind of resist going down into the heart chakra. So heart chakra, heart, heart space actually mean the same thing in the way that I use it. Dropping into your heart chakra. The question is, how do you know you're connected? And that's part of this work. So I'll ask people if you can do your best to connect. If they don't know how, that's okay. I take them through a breathing process and then they observe their body. And when they're able to observe, how does your body feel now? And it could be different for everyone. But just common answers will be, oh, my God, my whole body began to relax. I feel more calm. I feel this is where the science and the mysticism are integrated. When the second you're connected to heart shock, you know, the invisible energy center that we can't see. Mystical truth. Right. When we connect to that energy, the heart energy, the brain immediately releases all the calming, happy chemicals naturally. So there's a physiological response to your body relaxing. You become calmer, you become more peaceful. And there can be several other adjectives that people will use to describe. I feel this, I feel that. So now you know how you, when you are connected to your heart center, how do you know that you're legitimately there? It's a very somatic experience. And so people now have a reference point when they do this work. Now when I say to you, drop into your heart space or your heart chakra. And now we're going to work with your programs that are like the ugly, gnarly programs we don't want anymore. We're going to work with your programs in the heart space. Heart energy is transformational energy.
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And that's part of the healing process. Part of it.
