Health Starts In Your Mouth: The Truth About Tooth Decay, Root Canals, + Chemical Mouth Washes

We shouldn't need a dentist to repair anything. All the oral health care we are doing these days is just a band aid for the wrong lifestyle. Optimal health starts in the mouth. Bad oral health equals bad overall health. You cannot have good health overall if you have bad oral health. It's not possible. Dr. Dome is the founder of DNA Aesthetics and a leading oral health expert.

He is a pioneer in biological dentistry, a revolutionary approach that integrates the health.

Of the entire body with dental care.

What's something that most people don't even know at all that could be poisoning them through their mouth?

So I call them the three health killers. And that's the stuff that's usually lurking in your mouth and you don't even know about it. Therefore, I ask these three questions. Root canals or any sort of trauma in your mouth or in your body is usually a trauma elsewhere too. So oftentimes when I have patients on my chair helping them heal, they start crying. It's just because the body goes into parasympathetic mode. And this is like being a little kid. Kids just cry for no reason. And this is what I had to learn. It's just like teeth are just hard biting instruments, which they're not really organs. Is like the first organ above your thyroid that directly connected to your brain.

How many people have this bacteria and literally this toxin and poison just sitting, sitting in their tooth and they don't even know it?

I would probably say 60 plus percent. There's a merit in charts for the teeth and how they are connected to various organs. They maybe have a lot of bad dental repair in their mouth. Maybe that's their Alzheimer's. Maybe that's a chronic joint issue. Maybe that's their gut issue. Maybe that's their skin eczema, the acne. You have to see it this way. Maybe they overlook this part because no one will tell you. Not a dentist and not a doctor. This is why we're bridging the gap here.

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Cool, man. Skateboarder turned biological dentist. Like that's a fucking journey. That's a really cool journey. For people that don't know anything about biological dentistry. We all go to the dentist and we get our fillings and our billings and. What was the other one you said?

Fillings, drillings and billings.

And billings. It's a really cool road you've walked. And you're a father, you have all these interests in health. You look at the body in such a cool way, such a really beautiful, organic, holistic way. Like a circle, like wholeness.

Yeah.

But you know, this concept of dentistry, it's something that I was even looking in the old book that my grandparents gave me, the Vitology book, and there's nothing in there about dentistry. It's almost like in medicine and in wellness and in health, it's forgotten. It's been forgotten. But I feel like you're giving this a cool resurgence, a really dynamic resurgence that it all starts in the mouth. Everything starts in the mouth. So break it down for people that don't know anything about biological dentistry, maybe they only know about dentistry.

Yeah. So biological dentistry or Biodentistry 3.0, the way I define it is the next levels. The dental evolution is basically the melting of the traditional conventional dentistry, which is basically high tech craftsmanship with functional medicine and health optimization. Some will call it biohacking. Our goal is obviously overall health and basically putting the mouth back into the body. That's why I always say optimal health starts in the mouth and it's the entrance to the complete system. It's the missing link to optimal gut health. And it's just amazing if you realize that it's not just teeth that are there for biting and that you can work on as like in a garage, but you can actually see at one glance if someone is overall decaying.

Yeah, it's a check in on the entire human health, the health of their mouth. It's not just about aesthetics, because I know you work with a lot of movie stars and big people, some of my friends that have gotten really beautiful procedures from you. But it's not just about having beautiful polished veneers. And I think that's the part of biological dentistry or even high performance dentistry, if I can even say that. High performance dentistry that people tend to get wrong. So what do people tend to get wrong about having aesthetics in your mouth versus having a functional Healthy mouth. One of them is driven by ego, one of them is driven by true health.

Yes. And I don't have anything against the vanity part of things. And I feel that you still have to have very nice aesthetics. Yeah, you should have, you should look good. And actually in nature if it would have been grown perfectly, we are immune against tooth decay and we have perfectly healthy white teeth and space for them. And I think subconsciously this is what people want to be. That's why we look into aesthetic dentistry.

Yeah.

The problem is, like you just said, it's more like a painting from the outside instead of working on the foundation. And you can make beautiful nice teeth from the outside, but if you look underneath, they're rotten. They're root canals that decayed. So the goal should be to reverse engineer and start where it all begins by the lifestyle and factors that make your teeth hard in the first place. And if they're hard as stone and have the, have the right minerals, they're white and, and you don't have to do anything.

So we don't need the strips, we don't need the whitening strips?

No, you shouldn't do the whitening strips. So all the whitening stuff you can find in local supermarkets, I would say ditch them straight away because usually there's some sort of contain abrasives when it's toothpaste or various other toxins. So I. If you want to have just wider teeth, go to a dentist really in this case to a specialist and do an in office bleaching or maybe an at home bleaching with their kids, not just buy something over the counter.

So the store bought stuff can actually damage the teeth? Yes, like severely so.

Yes, especially the toothpaste. I like, I make a every single trip I do to Africa, to the US Wherever I go, I go to the local supermarket and check out toothpaste and the oral healthcare section. And it's kind of like a copy and paste place is always the same from wherever I go is the Colgates, the tooth whitening stuff. And it's all basically just pastes full of chemicals. And then the whitening ones contain even more chemicals, especially abrasives. Abrasives means stuff that kind of like files down the outer part of your tooth which makes it appear white at the beginning. But over time because you're filing down that more precious part, you actually get end up having more yellow teeth because below that white stuff is dentin which is yellow.

Wow. So that's where the vanity actually hurts us in the long run. So it looks good for a while and then the real root is decaying. The real health of the tooth is essentially being attacked.

Exactly. And the root or the dentin below the enamel is more yellow. It's more like bony.

Okay. It's fascinating to me because I asked you before we recorded, I was like, have you always been driven? And you're like, yeah, I think so. And I know you actually were in business at one point with your father too. So this is like literally in your blood to be a dentist, but to be a dentist in this 3.0 where you look at the body through a different lens. Did your dad look at dentistry in the same lens as you do?

Only a tiny little bit. So he now, obviously he's still working with me. He's completely trained in Biodiversity 3.0. So I trained him.

Did you convert him?

Yes, completely. Otherwise I wouldn't have worked with him.

So. Okay.

But from him I knew after university, when I wanted to become a oral surgeon, I knew that he wouldn't do the black silver amalgam fillings for decades, ever since I was a little kid, I didn't know why, because in university I still learned them, learned that it's super good and easy to apply and insurance pays for them and actually even did them like physically in the clinic and. But I couldn't do it because it's just super anesthetic. They're just black fillings. Why would I place this black filling in someone's mouth if I can do an aesthetic white one?

Yeah.

But I knew my dad didn't do it for some sort of health reasons. So I looked it up and found that was actually my entrance to the whole game of functional medicine. Because looking into heavy end, into mercury containing fillings, I realized heavy metals, 50 of the filling is mercury, most toxic, non radioactive element known to men. And this was all connecting to what I did before to optimize my health. And a whole new realm opened up for me 20 years ago when I realized, wow, there's people talking about heavy metal chelation, heavy metal detoxification, and we put it in the mouth of patients, so I can't do it. So he kind of already emerged that way for me. But for me, I went deeper into that rabbit hole. I started obviously with the mercury fillings. I looked into this and within the first year I thought, if I remove these fillings safely for my patients and then put them on some sort of detoxification afterwards, I will heal all of them. Not the case. It's just part of their journey And I realized there's more that we can optimize just by in the mouth, such as, for example, root canals or these cavitations. So I just got addicted to the health game and looked into everything. I probably read a book a day. I went to Fly Speed Reader. Yeah. I learned speeding.

Okay.

But not as good as Jim, for example. But obviously I was, if you, if you like, passionate about something or driven, let's say this way, in school, I wouldn't read anything, not even a book, if I'm not interested. But as soon as I get interested in something, I kind of like, suck it in. And I, I really, I can read it so fast because I just grasp it and understand it. And then I was reading all the books, listening to everything I could find, and then would always fly out to the expert and all over the world. So I collected like hundreds of certifications and weekend courses because I needed to create a. A kind of like a new form of doctor. Yeah. Because I'm trained as a. As a dentist in university. That's what I studied. But nowadays it's more to that. I'm also a naturopathic doctor, functional medicine, neurotherapy, you name it, I tried it all and tried to implement it in the full concept that we're teaching today. So, yeah, it's just the next level, like I said, the dental evolution. And maybe my dad sparked it a little bit. But also on the other side, I want. I never wanted to become a dentist like my dad because I just want to do skateboard.

Yeah.

So I don't know how it happened. You say that providence, probably.

So that sounds like providence. I mean, it sounds like literally God creator worked through you. Like you said you want to be a skateboarder. You didn't even want to be a dentist.

Yes. I had the same passion for skateboarding from the teenage years onwards until I studied. So I only was focusing on skateboarding, nothing else. Read every magazine, look every video, and skateboard, skateboard, skateboard. So obviously in that time frame, I never saw my dad because my dad was only working and I hated that he was never there. So I would, I would also never go to his clinic. I didn't know what he was doing, so I wasn't interested at all because I didn't understand that a job could also be his passion. And he was obviously very passionate about the dentistry side of things.

Yeah. So.

And then after university and after school, you have to do civil service in Germany. This is one year before university where you do something. And I was a paramedic so Red Cross. And in Red Cross, you have to do an internship in the clinic. And they put me in dental school for whatever reason, or in dental. In dental clinic. So I was sitting there, being 20 years old, and was starting to extract teeth for people that were like, put under. And only in retrospect, I realized I wasn't even allowed to do that. But I think the doctor there, he thought I was like a student already and students were allowed to pull teeth, but he just let me pull like 20, 50 teeth. And I just thought, oh, wow, I like that. Nice tiny work. I can maybe help patients. And then I just applied for dentistry, like overnight to not knowing anything about it. Really nothing. I only knew, okay, I'm good with my hands and I'm very good with aesthetics. That's it.

It's almost like, like the actor's son or the football player's son or the. Or in your case, the dentist son. There's some kind of epigenetic mechanism where the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And like you said, like, you even were not about it. You were like, I, I don't. I'm not actually into this, but yet it's still. So there was this curious spark that pulled you that way. And I find that, like. And what we teach is the Pentagon, right? So the physical body is the. The walls are mental, emotional. Then the ceiling is spiritual and financial. So in one of those areas, if we're lacking, it's going to start pulling qi from the other areas. But the baseline, the physical floor is the king. If the physical body is compromised, you really can't do much. And the mind will start to suffer and the meridians will start to suffer. And our electricity, which makes us a human being, people forget we're a battery. So there's something about the mouth, because, really, and I'm curious your take on this. We could start anywhere. You could start with posture as a chiropractor. You could start it with the mouth as a biological dentist, you could start with immunology. You could start with nutri. You start somewhere, but it's all related. All roads lead to the beginning place of mastering the physical self. And then everything else tends to come from there. Do you agree? How does that play out for you?

Yes, I agree 100%. I think the physical place is the foundation of everything. I see it as. Not like you said, I see it more like a pyramid, but exactly the same. So, yeah, we have to have the physical side of things as healthy as possible. Basically, the way how we came to this world. So dental repair obviously is nothing we had when we came out of our moms. Right? So restoring the physical side of things is super, super important also to reach the next levels, the energetic level and the mental, spiritual side of things. 100% agreed. And like you just said, my goal is to just bring this information to the table because every single person who is interested in helping patients heal overall needs to understand this part is maybe missing because is a. The mouse, for example, and the bite is the. Is the thermostat for the posture. So it's also connected to the chiropractors. It's connected to all that, all the things, your joints, your health, and also to the gut. And therefore, I think it's just melting it all together so that we all speak the same language and diagnose initially everything in the body to make the journey for the patient, which is always obviously individual. Some have no problem with the mouth, but some extreme. Some did everything already on, on their journey, but forgot the mouth. And they're still not superhuman. And this is the maybe that I'm always bringing to it. Maybe you haven't looked in this part. The mouth being the entrance to the whole body, the entrance to the gut system.

It makes sense. I mean, we eat and drink well hopefully every day, right? And hopefully it's clean, whole foods. But a lot of the things that we've been told that are healthy for our mouth are actually destroying us in so many different ways. And you talk about this a lot in your media, and I think I even saw an Instagram clip like you were just eating protein. And you're a different kind of dentist. You're way different kind of dentist. Like, you show parts of your life that I don't think I've ever seen a dentist show. Like, there's a really intimate way in which you live on social media and share your lifestyle with your patients, which I think is pretty inspiring because you could just wear a white lab coat and just be like the staunch person on the hill that people come to for their answers. But. But there's something different. Like you make it more. More personal with people. Does that come naturally for you or is that forced in the beginning?

No, I think this is completely being me. I just. This is maybe freestyling it. I have no structure or plan for doing these things. But what you just said, I just want to inspire people on their health journey and show them, hey, this is possible. I'm a dad of four. I have a couple of businesses. I have a clinic, I have 40 people in the staff, but I'm still like to work out in the morning. I have my healthy diet. I have no excuses. That's what I mean. I like to inspire also the dads out there. And this is maybe what I show on the Instagram or try to show that eating real food is actually good and it's not a stress and that you also can sometimes have your treats and how to do this, how to manage it all, but stay in the present, in flow and just be a little kid still.

I can feel that from. I can feel your inner child right now. It's amazing. Yeah. You know, in preparation for this, I was reflecting and I thought, wow, like the OG on all of this that actually helped and informed you was Weston A. Price. So he's informed a lot of what your field of biological dentistry actually explores.

And.

And the book is on the screen right now. Y', all. This is a guy that traveled the world in the early 1900s for a decade, and he looked at all these tribes and he started to see this corollary between as soon as you would introduce foods that were outside of their tribal normality, their facial structure would actually change. This is so interesting, so trippy, that literally the food you eat, if it's outside of what your genealogy is supposed to be consuming, you'll actually change the structure of your mouth. Your teeth will start crowding.

Yes.

And it'll impact the way that your jaw functions. Can you expound on this? Because most people have never heard of west any Price. Nutrition and physical degeneration. How does the food that we eat impact the structure of our jaw and teeth?

So this was his curiosity in this book, nutrition and physical degeneration. Because at that time, I think all the processed foods started, like the refined flour, the sugar and all these things. And he. He just observed his patients as a biological dentist and saw that they collapsed, get collapsed bone structures, no more place for the teeth, spathing issues, gingivitis, more tooth decay. And that's why he started to travel to maybe he had this hypothesis that food somewhat is connected to how we present physically. So he like probably traveled by ship everywhere and looked in how these ancestors, how the ancestral living would look like. And he realized that most of the tribes were grown beautifully, like all sets of the wisdom teeth, completely in the mouth. Some even had two sets of wisdom teeth, beautiful white teeth, nose breathing, no mouth breathing, perfect posture, no scoliosis. But he also observed that, let's say the younger generation of the tribes that had contact with the processed foods looked like extreme little monsters because obviously they had no callus to it and it was just newly like place with that processed food. So they had very narrow faces already. He shows these pictures crowded, extremely crowded. And calculus and tooth decay and gingivitis and mouth breathing. But basically this is how our teenagers in the western world look these days, 100 years later still. Yeah, because of that processed foods and the wrong diets.

Have you seen the shots of the kids where their, their jaw is pulled back?

Of course.

And they have that overbite. Is that also also related to nutrition or is that something else?

It is partially, maybe genetic and maybe it also comes from a couple of lineages that you have a little bit the jawbone a little bit further back. But it also has a lot to do with how you will be fed during the initial phase of your life. So for example, breastfeeding, which is how we designed to get fed as a baby. Breastfeeding is kind of like the first orthodontic treatment. If you suck on a, on a breast as a baby, you need so much force to pull that nipple and that milk out of there so that this pulls your lower jaw forward. And at the same time, this baby needs to breathe through the nose. And this will create a wider palate. So if you breastfeed, if possible. Not all women are able to. I'm sorry. But if you can for 18 months at least this will help your kid growing up a lot. But then obviously your kid will still grow up for the next 15, 20 years. So what you eat then will either build you big, like strong, or will make you look a little bit more narrow. And unfortunately in the western world we grow too narrow. Therefore most patients, I would say at least 80%. I have no perfect numbers for this, it's just estimation. But at least 80% of the patients I see have no space for the wisdom teeth. Some even need to take out more teeth in order to fit to get a little bit of a bite. So this is degeneration, actually nutrition and physical degeneration. And I think it's completely man made. We can completely reverse it.

Wow.

To know about it.

Okay, dude, so you just pulled off like five layers that have nothing to do with conspiracy. This is 100 truth in literature. I'm sure you've probably put out a lot of content on teeth crowding at this point. Right? The cause of teeth crowding, how much of it is breastfeeding versus can you correct it? Essentially, let's say that a mother can't breastfeed and that's just like heartbreaking. It's so heartbreaking that a mom couldn't breastfeed. Right. Because like you said, first time I'm hearing that, by the way, in 20 years, I've never heard that before. Which is amazing that the jaw actually comes forward when the baby is learning how to nurse from the breast. It's so amazing. But let's say that a parent is wise and they're watching or they're listening right now, and the mom couldn't breastfeed, then just eating a whole food, natural diet, organic as possible, pesticide free, could that reverse the damage of that jaw not coming forward from not being able to nurse?

Yes, I think it's cumulative effect. So if you Maybe the first 80 months weren't perfect because you weren't able to breastfeed, but you still had the bottle, the bottle still requires a little bit of strength for the baby to pull. I think it's a twelfth of what the breast would do. But then, yes, afterwards is all about giving the right nutrients, eating real food, but also hard food that you have to chew because chewing in itself grows that bone. It's basically progressive overload of the muscles, which also help again with growing. And if you still, if you then see in the growing phase that the kid grows a little bit too narrow, then obviously you see an orthodontic dentist, an orthodontist, this is in the US that uses forces or not forces, uses some sort of manual treatments or appliances that will work with the growing of that kid. So not necessarily the braces that we're thinking about right now. Like when you're 15 and everything is already finished and then you put into force before you start sooner, you have a. Not a chiropractor. What is the other one? An osteopath. An osteopath moving with all your structures, with your fascia. You implement the right protein, the right eat as a heart of foods to chew, and then maybe some sort of removable appliances that work with the body instead of force, then you can totally reverse it.

Yeah.

So you have to know again.

But. And knowing is half the battle. I feel like I heard that on Reading Rainbow when I was a kid. So, yeah, once we know, then what makes us actually make the choices to feed our kids better food or even to change the foods that we eat. Because it's one thing to know, man. We can know. You can learn from this podcast and everything that Dominic will share could change your life. Could absolutely change your life. So then why don't People do it by the time somebody gets to you. There's been so many opportunities. It's not to shame or blame people. There's been so many opportunities where they could change based on the information that they now know. Maybe they've met with like 10 specialists before they get to you. Right. What is it in your opinion that makes people change?

So sometimes they have to have a challenge in their life such as maybe us had to just get heart knocked down and they need to change something in order to get healthier.

Yeah.

This is one part of things or I don't know, the main thing is actually just understanding that you can change and that it's actually your responsibility to give the best possible back because this is a gift that you're alive so you can give something back. So. And you don't have to do it all perfect. Like you can learn from all of us and grab the one thing that resonates and you say oh wow, it would be so easy to just use a new fluoride, fluoride free toothpaste, or just start coconut oil pulling or do something very simple or start a healthy breakfast. For now just implement this and then by doing baby steps along the way, maybe you get addicted. You feel, oh wow, this changed something. And I want to know more. That was my same for me. So I was like we talked about it earlier.

Yeah.

Like growing up I didn't know about healthy nutrition. My parents were my. My mom is a nurse and my dad is a doctor. So I was heavily medicated for everything and obviously would eat the normal standard western diet, always take antibiotics, various things. Started drinking early and just partied a lot and ate only processed food. Mainly processed food besides the one good meal that my mom prepared for us. But the rest was just fun times. But then it hit me hard so I needed to dig myself out of that. And this is what oftentimes happens. So some need an emotional trauma, some are just very unhealthy, very sick and they need something so they have that sort of like a, I don't know.

How you call it, like a come to Jesus moment. They have to have this moment reckoning.

Yeah, it can be a bad one. Like it feels in that moment if you're sick, it feels really bad.

Yeah.

So that's why I feel all the patience because I know where they at and that they want to just become healthy again. Because if you're not healthy anymore, it's the only thing you want to have back is health. Everything else will become not necessary anymore. Like no One will be interested about the car or the money if they're unhealthy. And 10 years ago, I was only seeing super, super sick patients. It's really uncomfortable. People that had seen 29 different doctors and they basically needed this sort of treatment in order to start their health journey. It obviously changed a little bit. And I'm still probably seeing more the outside extremes. Super sick versus high performers. People like us that want to have the next, the extra or the next level, the next edge. But all of us need a 10 out of 10 treatment in between. Like, if you're an average person, you're quite fine. You don't need the extremes. You can just start with one little thing and then go from there and find a thing. But it's you, you need to change. And only if you want. You have everything. Right.

I like that caveat you threw in. Only if you want.

Yeah. Some people don't want.

Right. Well, that's why we have free will. Right. So if I don't, I don't necessarily relate to Christianity. I understand it, I can connect with it. There's a lot of good virtues and values in Christianity. Yeah. But if, if God is a father or if God is the protector of things, then in the same way you wouldn't micro control your sons or your daughter, you wouldn't try to control them aggressively. You want them to live, but you guide them along because your children have free will. You wouldn't want to be domineering to your children. So I like that you said if you want to, because that's, that's a big piece. It's like you and I are not here to inspire change in the people that don't want it. No, we're here to talk to people that want to change through new information which creates wisdom through your life experience.

Yeah. You can, you cannot be the messiahs. That's not possible. I can only help people that are already wanted. It has to be some sort of mutual energy field that kind of like transfers then to the next level. It's cool that you say that with the kids. That's actually, I think as fathers, that was one of my. This is a big learning because obviously we. I was just thrown in being a dad. No one explains to you how to be a good dad and be a good father. You just have your ideas and obviously kids, at least. I have three sons and one, one daughter. The boys, they triggered me hardcore. But I knew already because I was doing so much for my own health journey that I knew when I get triggered is my problem. So I would initially go there and look, okay, why is this guy triggering me? What is my problem there? And usually it comes back to me being a kid. So I had to work on unresolved psycho emotional trauma and look at these side of things and then realize, oh, wow, this is how we can all change together and how I can help them grow up. And still I'm not perfect. Like, I'm also. If they're too loud, I sometimes be too loud again too. And even though I don't like it, I explain it. In the evening, I teach them the nutrition side of things. I go skateboarding with them. I just try my best, and I think that's they appreciate it. And like, on this. On this trip right now, I made it a family slash business trip. And I try. I specifically tried to do it both. And like you said, I'm very driven. So I have no problems with reaching goals and pushing things and building things. It's easy for me. Balancing it out with family was harder the first years, but now it's really. I'm in the flow state and they give me grades. Like, I'm like, literally every single day. I have that goal, to be very mindful with the kids. Nice, loving and, you know, like. But also like, strong father on the other side.

Yeah.

And then the end, they give me like a grade from 1 to 10. Like, 1 would be really shitty, dad, 10 would be really good. And I'm striving for the 8 to 10 every day. And they have their goals too, every single day. So I like doing this with them. It's fun. So I really love that trip right now.

I can relate. I love that we're weaving in fatherhood with. With dentistry and oral care, because literally it's the same thing. You know, Alex Charf was here and he sat across the table from me and he said, oh, you're driven. It's hard to turn it off, huh? And he stopped talking. And I was like, yeah, it is hard to turn it off. And like, in the first early years, you're so driven, you want to accomplish all these things, but yet that drive, if it overshadows your other responsibilities, which includes being a loving, present father, it can actually destroy you. It can destroy you. Your drive can destroy you if it's not made conscious.

Well, this one gives me goosebumps because I've been there. Like, I knew exactly. I know exactly. It was. There was times when I was so good at what I was doing in, like, the clinic and. And like every single weekend I would give a speech or courses and I felt so good I went in the morning. I was actually sad to leave the family. But at when I came home after like a successful day, I actually felt lost at home. I was like, what am I doing here right now? Like, there's something completely missing. And I had to work a lot on. On my doing to become. To be more. So I realized this part of me was just basically subconsciously programming of me just wanting my. The praise from my dad, maybe or whatever. And that's why I was just doing. But I didn't realize it. I was just doing very good at this, this one side of things, the driven side of things, the accomplished side of things, but not so good at being present with the other ones, but then obviously realizing it. I worked on this part specifically and I think I'm getting really good at it.

Wow. Okay.

But it took a while.

You just touched a pulse for probably anyone who's driven. And I remember Doug Brackman, he wrote a book about driven and he interviewed me for his podcast and he was like every entrepreneur that I ever have a conversation with, they all have somewhat of a father wound. Right. And it's not, by the way, it's not to demonize our dads. Not at all, actually, because they're doing the best they can with the level of consciousness they have. And so are you for your boys and your daughter. But yet I find the same thing with Nova, where when he's being a boy, a three year old boy, I get triggered. I'm like, what is that, dude? Why am I getting upset for him being a child? And it's so trippy because I have flashback just like you. And I remember there was moments where when I was just being a teenager or being a kid, it was absolutely unacceptable from my father. It was unacceptable to just be a boy or be a kid. And so it's like, wow. It's. The only way that we heal the body is by making sure that our stressors that stress out the body, our toxins that are in our mouth, the EMFs that are around us, like the cards are stacked, dude. We live in an environment where we are under siege from a lot of things.

Yes.

The only way out is through all of this stuff. And that's why I love that we're talking about oral health and the body being a gateway to the health through the mouth, but yet there's so many things that are attached to that. Because if the mouth is poisoned and it's leaking poison into the body, how are you supposed to do your childhood trauma? How are you supposed to have the energetic capacity to be able to do any other healing if the mouth is constantly poisoning you? I'm sure you've seen this in your practice. It had to have come up a ton.

Yeah, a ton of times. So basically everything you just touched on is basically stress, the emf, the wrong diet, but also psycho emotional trauma being that's more like an intrinsic trigger but from the physical side of things or the biochemistry is just molecules and therefore whenever there's any sort of chronic stuff in your body or in your mouth, it will trigger something, put you into more fight and flight being maybe you'll be more short fused because of this or more driven because of that, because it gives this in innate tension. So yes, I feel that if we are, let's say helping our body heal itself to as natural as possible, we will be way more balanced and connected to all the other side of things too. Especially also the emotions. For example, root canals or any sort of trauma in your mouth or in your body is usually a trauma elsewhere too. Like if we touch that physical side of things.

How so?

Yeah, why is that too stat in the first place? So why did it die? What happened? This is obviously for most people listening in now, this would be woo woo. But it's actually not. It's the same physical side of things. So oftentimes when I have patients on my chair helping them heal, we measure real time hrv. Like seeing their sympathetic and sometimes they start crying like straight away. I take out a cavitation or root canal and they cry. Look at me. And it's crying like a little baby. And I know why that happens. But dentists usually or doctors will not know. They will think oh, I did something wrong, I did cut wrong or whatever they have. They're in pain. No, it's just because the body goes into parasympathetic mode. And this is like being a little kid. Kids just cry for no reason. And this is what I had to learn. It's like this was my trigger. For example, this dude would cry for no reason. But you can't be a reasonable entrepreneur driven and talking with an emotional kid. It's not possible. At the same time, you have to understand. Yeah, but I obviously am a very sensitive person, you probably too. So I wasn't taught about emotions. I was just taught about being a man and being very strong and never touched that. So if I would cry, I would just go to the room. That's it. So this is then the trigger and the same. Then in surgery, if someone starts crying, you just have to be very humble and open. That's why I don't do general anesthesia, because I actually want to be with the patients and talk them through it and tell them, okay, what are you feeling right now? What is this? Why are you crying? And usually they just feel a massive release. That's just it. By just taking out some sort of stress, could be anywhere in the body. But I'm specifically working on the mouth, doing surgeries there. So I take out the triggers from there.

So beyond the amalgam fillings, which we'll. We'll get to uncover during this pod, for sure, they're the amalgam fillings at this point, like, I just feel like you'd have to be living in a cave or under a rock to not know that mercury in your mouth is bad at this point. I mean, this isn't medical advice, but, like, come on, y'. All. Just do a search on any platform, and you will find a treasure trove of information about amalgam fillings and mercury. But what else, man? There's got to be other things that people don't know about. One thing that comes to mind is the cavitations. But even before we get into that, what's something that most people don't even know at all that could be poisoning them through their mouth?

So I call them the three health killers. And that's the stuff that's usually lurking in your mouth, and you don't even know about it. Therefore, I ask these three questions, like you just said, the metals. Then another question would be, do you have any root canals or had a root canal treatment stand up, remain standing. And the third question would be, did they pull your wisdom teeth or any sort of teeth? Because. And at that end point, you already had that.90 of the audience will stand up, or you listening in. You'll probably stand. Oh, yeah, they had my wisdom choose removed. And then I know there's something probably chronically, silently inflammatory, inflammatory that's triggering your body, putting you into silent fight and flight mode. You don't even know about it because it's in your mouth, and it's usually doesn't hurt, and that's a problem.

So then, is every single person who's had their wisdom teeth pulled, are they. What percentage of those people will have cavitations?

So I would say, again, an estimation. 80% plus. For all the patients I see 90% plus. It's really rare that I don't see one with cavitation. I Can explain to you why that is. It's actually quite simple. So a cavitation is the layman's term for a chronic silent jawbone inflammation. It's actually medically would be called FDOJ. Fatty Degenerative Osteonecrotic Jawbone.

Say that 10 times fast.

FDOJ.

Exactly.

And how does this happen? It's basically a construction site that never stops. So you had your wisdom teeth pulled in the teenage years. So did I, did my, did my dentist prepare me overall for surgery? No, I was just informed tomorrow you go to the surgeon and they'll take out your wisdom teeth. My parents probably signed a consent for local anesthesia, antibiotics and inflammation and inflammatory drugs and maybe knew that I was going to be swollen and I can't eat and I have a school leave for a week, which was probably the thing that I liked. So that's it. So it came as a shock to my system. And what happened is, and for you probably too is that the body was not prepared systemically to be in a healing anabolic environment to really heal that trauma. So it's the surgery in itself being a bit too rough, unprepared, maybe even like how I was trained very fast. So rough surgery, but then especially the host not being prepared for healing. And this is why I estimate if you haven't been optimized before your surgery, it's probably didn't heal.

What do you mean by optimized before surgery?

So the way we do it is before we approach any sort of surgery or dental treatment, we train our patients to change their lifestyle, their nutrition in order to come in boosted with nutrients, whole food diet, vitamin D3 needs to be in check. Lots of other micro, lots of other micronutrients like vitamins, mineral, etc, we can go into this later. So we optimize it up front. So I know when we do the surgery, your body's actually prepared to heal systemically because there's solid science behind bone healing, teeth healing, tissue healing and you can apply. Bodybuilders usually know how that works, but dentists don't know and especially not the patient.

So when, when somebody like let's say I think I was 13 when I had mine taken out. And by the way, it's funny because it's called wisdom teeth and I wonder if there's just an over prescription or an over procedure amount that are done. The moment there's teeth crowding, it seems like the wisdom teeth are the first thing that gets taken out. Why is that?

Yeah, I think this is a, the Idea behind it is more preventative, estimated according to that X ray you had. When you're 13 years old, it looks like you're not going to have the space for the wisdom teeth. You will probably need braces. So we take out these already so your body has more space for the braces later on. They don't even try to heal it because it's just a standard treatment. I don't even think they challenge it. I think it's just oftentimes it's just standard of care.

But what else? What else would be the intelligent approach besides looking at an X ray earlier in life, seeing the wisdom teeth are going to cause crowding. What else could be done?

No, I would. Yeah. So if you're like 8 to 9 years old, you should see an orthodontist. If you already have a narrow face and you maybe had not breastfed and eating the wrong diet. So then you see, oh, there's spacing. But if you start then while your body's growing to change your lifestyle and apply like these appliances that work with, let's say, strengthening or stretching and movements in your jawbone to just widen it so, or bring it forward, then it should be supporting the growth of the body at that time. And then maybe when you're 18 and these wisdom teas come through or 18 to 21, then they have space. You never know before. Of course, there are cases. You know it already. It's the ship has sailed it, you have to take it out. But ideally, obviously, we would teach our parents way in advance how to start everything, actually, how to prepare for pregnancy and then breastfeeding, all these things so that it doesn't happen. Obviously this will take another 30 years, probably.

Sure.

But still, this would be the ideal way because again, in nature there's space for wisdom teeth and there's space for all teeth. Nature has it. Right. So it's just the epigenetics problem again.

Well, it's the same thing that we talked about with Eric Klopper about circumcision. Like, why would the body need to be altered by man when the creator who created the body, gave us the body? How it is, I understand, like type 1 diabetes. Like, there's things that people are born with that need attention. Right. But for the most part, I'm blanket statementing why would we need to go in and change the body? I mean, where my mind goes. And maybe it's just the world that I'm in. The wisdom teeth being removed seems a bit controversial because why would you want to rob Someone of their wisdom at such an early point in their life.

It's good that you say it. Yeah. That's why you should. Ideally, if you need to take them out, wait at least until you're 21, because you're stealing your body from some sort of grow growth.

Is that when they mature?

Yeah, then it would be usually mature. Sometimes they may be, or oftentimes they may be then impacted and maybe they don't even our problem when they impact it. So my wife, for example, because she had all the kids the last decade, I was never able to take out her impacted work wisdom teeth because you can't do any surgery while breastfeeding or while being pregnant. So she still has them and she's very healthy. Why would I now do a surgery if it doesn't block the body? So even if they didn't grow out, like to be in space, they're still inside. So I, I still feel that she has her wisdom from them, even though they're inside of the jawbone. Of course there are patients that need to take them out, but I wouldn't say it's always the best strategy. Sometimes you just leave them in there. Why not?

Right. So there's got. I guess what I'm. What I'm wanting to get at is when. When would a parent know that it would be beneficial to take out the wisdom teeth? At what point? What would they have to see to.

Know that it's hard for a parent to see that? So if you see, basically if your kid is too narrow and it has spacing issues with the normal teeth already, like the, the one till the second molar, then usually you wouldn't have space for the third molar, which is the wisdom tooth. That's the sign for it.

Okay.

It could change if you do everything perfectly, but that's usually a sign. And then also later, if you had your wisdom teeth and some of them come through, but only partially, that's also a problem. So if a tooth, for example, this is your last molar and then the, the wisdom tooth didn't really make it in line, but it's like partially erupted. That means a little bit sticks out of the gum, but the rest is still underneath it. That is a sign when you should take it out. Why? Because this partially eruption opens up and it's kind of like leaky gum, like leaky guts. So it's always opening up for bacteria to jump in there. So then it's another time when you should probably take it out.

Yeah. On the screen. This is so fascinating. To me, because literally anyone that could ever demonize biological dentistry or call it pseudoscience, what you're about to see on the screen right now, there's nothing to argue with anymore. On the screen, there is actually a skeletal muscle chart where you can see the teeth coming in from young children. They literally grow down from the skull itself into the jaw, Multiple sets of teeth. And everything is connected to the brain, to the nervous system, to the vagal nerve. Like, everything's all connected. So I think it's so fascinating how anybody could argue with teeth and mouth health being separated from body health in any way. Especially if you see literally that the children's teeth, it almost looks like crazy. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe teeth grow in that way. I just assume, like most people, that teeth just kind of come in. I had no idea that they actually come down in sets from the skull itself. It's built from the bone in our skull that feeds our gums. It's so utterly fascinating. And I think. I wonder how you feel. I think that's why people are disconnected from teeth and from our oral health being a signal of body health. Maybe that's the first time somebody's ever seen that photograph in their entire life. Yeah.

So if you see also the anatomy chart of, like, the trigeminous nerve, for example, two, you will see that it has three branches. So this is a cranial nerve, starts in the brainstem, and it goes here and then here and here. And on the end of it, we have teeth. So your teeth are also an extension of your brain, such as your eyes and your nose. It's really tiny organs directly connected to your brainstem. That's why tooth pain is so insane. It's like neuralgia pain directly in your brain. It is hell. So therefore, obviously, we need dentists to help you then. But, yes, it's that connected. And the tooth actually starts as tissue. It's tissue in your jawbone, and then it grows out, like, with the crown, and then the root elongates while it's growing out. So it's really fascinating to see how that works.

Is it ever just continually fast. Do you ever stop in the middle of a procedure and be like, I just can't believe this exists. Like human beings. And the human body is so absolutely fascinating, the way that it grows teeth.

Yeah, I find growing teeth is fascinating, but I find the human body in itself extremely fascinating also. Like, you just added the connection of every single tooth to various organs in the body. There's something that is again woo woo in dentistry. But if you look at meridian charts, there is a meridian charts for the teeth and how they are connected to various organs. For example, this tooth is directly connected to your bladder and kidney meridian. And the wisdom teeth specifically are connected to your small intestine and heart meridian and also to your central nervous system. So if you have any sort of stressor there, this will basically maybe block your small intestine and then you maybe have sibo or you have skin issues or your thyroid is connected. So you have to understand that this is just the autonomic nervous system. But this is not something you learn in university. It's just like teeth are just hard biting instruments which you're not. They are really organs directly connect. It's like the first organ above your thyroid that directly connected to your brain.

So the wisdom teeth are directly connected in the meridian to the heart.

The heart meridian and the small intestine is the same in Chinese medicine. So that's the meridian system and it's also connected to your central nervous system. So if you have a chronic stressor there, it will affect your central nervous system in whatever. For some people it's chronic activation of the sympathetic nervous system. They're just more in stress mode.

Yeah.

For others is activation of the parasympathetic. They're in toxic vagal syndrome. Same. They're just too lazy. So both is possible. It's not just always being in a fight and flight. Sometimes it's the opposite. Still not healthy. It's pathology. So you have to just see that person individually and see how you can help this person in the first place. It's not everyone is the same. All we're all different.

What do you mean by the toxic vagal?

A toxic vagal is. That's actually a syndrome. So if the Vegas the vagus nerve is one of the cranial nerves. It's actually the parasympathetic nerve and is actually parts of the trigeminous nerve that goes through the teeth. This number five cranial nerve. Parts of it run with a. With a part of the. With the parasympathetic. With the vagal one. So there's parts of it. So if you have a silent inflammation your jawbone or root canal sticking in the toxins. From there they travel through the nerve called retrograde axonal transport and can then affect your vagal nerve and shut down the system put you in stress or in. In the other way around.

Wow. Okay.

So some supposed stress. To be fair.

Yeah. And we don't know which one it's going to be. So it could be hypervigilance or it could be just complete aloofness or apathy from.

Yeah, I think for most patients in our world, in the Western world is more towards the fight and flight, more sympathetic side of things.

I could see that.

Yeah. But there are also other. You can have both sides. But this is probably go with 80, 20, 80% is more sympathetic. They're just in chronic tension mode.

Yeah.

And don't even know why their sleep is bad.

For example, how many. I remember when I was a personal trainer, I was training this physician and he was like a super go getter. And he's like, came in one day to the session with braces and I was like, hey, Dr. Horowitz, you're wearing braces now. Like, what's going on? He's like, oh, I've been grinding my teeth for years. And I actually cracked my teeth at night. And I said, well, why is that? He's like, I don't know. I guess I'm just stressed. And even then, before my spiritual journey really started, I knew there was something in me that came alive where I was like, that's not normal. And there's a deeper journey for him to figure out why he's cracking his teeth from stress. And I wonder, I just wonder like if he had amalgam fillings or if he had some cavitations.

Or root canal.

Or root canal. Like there's. So this is why this podcast can change someone's life. Because literally a cone beam is fairly inexpensive. Right. Can you talk about that? Like the cone beam scan, that's not, by the way, your regular dentist. It's not there.

Yeah.

What is that? And, and how does that show people where they actually could have a cavitation? How do you get that false positive or the real positive for a cavitation? Yeah. What's that all about?

So cone beam scan is actually a three dimensional X ray. And I just realized on this trip that is actually not even 10 of all dentists having such a machine in the office. Because it's fairly expensive.

It's not there for most.

It's not there. No. I thought it's more standardized. But again, me in the bubble, obviously, I have that machine for more than a day.

I gotta drive like an hour away.

That's why also when we want, when we plan cases for all patients flying from all over the world, we always just use a two dimensional panoramic and estimate if the wisdom teeth is gone, probably going to have it. And then we do the cone beam in the clinic. But always cone beam is the gold standard to diagnose it. And on the cone beam you, if you trained it's another thing at cavitation for example, is nothing you learn in university. So that means if you have a dentist that does a cone beam scan, if he has never heard of cavitations, he won't, won't diagnose this part in your jawbone. He just doesn't know about it. But what you see on there, if you trained and might try the real bite and it's obviously they know is just you see dark, a dark area in the jawbone. Usually the jawbone is not, not the bone you would think of like with bone marrow and stuff. It has sponge is a sponges bone. So you have these sponges particles in there, you can see them look really looks like a sponge on an X ray. But this part is then missing. So you only see there's an outside cortical part. The hard part of the bone inside is basically black. You can just see there's an osteolytic process in the jawbone. So there's missing bone you cannot see from the three dimensional X ray. Is there fatty tissue in there? Is there hollow space in there? What is in there? This then just comes with the surgery. But this is what you would see and this is the gold standard to really diagnose it. But again caveat, you need someone who knows how to diagnose it and knows about it in the first place.

So why is that not taught in traditional training?

Actually I don't know why it's not taught but, but I think it's all so slow. So I, I did study dentistry and like you said, my dad was a dentist too. And when I was in first year of dental school, my dad said what you're just learning right now was already outdated when I learned it. Why are you still learning this? I'm like, I don't know dad, I just have to do this university right now. Just let me do that. So I didn't know. And I think it's the same. It just is so slow this approach. And it takes decades, probably 50 years until it catches up. But there's tons of research for cavitations. There's actually one guy in Germany or an older man, I call him the Yoda of cavitations. His name is Dr. Johan Lechner. He has devoted his life to study cavitations and he has written a lot of great books, tons of research about it and he's doing it for 45 years. He's still getting attacked by the university and everything about it, but he shows it clearly. He did so many samples of these surgeries like sent it to labs and look for microbiology. What, what bacteria and viruses and fungi live in there and parasites even also toxicological reports of it. So thousands of it. And he also did I think 12 to 14 peer reviewed papers on it that are actually also connecting the cytokines in these cavitations with breast cancer and various other things in the body. No one is listening to it. And here comes the, the part where it's really interesting now actually there is, in these cavitations, besides maybe being a breeding ground for anaerobic bacteria and parasites and fungi, there's a specific chemokine. So probably, I don't know how the audience in this case, but let's say what's a chemo kind of, you know what a cytokine is?

Yeah, inflammatory marker.

Yeah. So chemokine is another thing that, how the body communicates. It's just chemokine and there's a specific one to that area called rantes R A N T E S or in medical literature it's called CCL5 chemokine lignin 5. So if you look into Google Scholar and do a search for CCL5 and multiple sclerosis or any sort of other symptom diagnosis, you will find literature, a lot of it. And this is where medical world is looking for this Rantis or CCL5 and dentistry has the solution, but they don't know about it. So we have to now finally merge it and tell them and then we can help so many people with rheumatoid arthritis, with ms, with all these various different things because it's just another chronic side inflammation in your body no one talks about. But we know chronic inflammation is triggered to chronic infection, chronic stress. And this is killer number one for chronic health issues, which is the epidemic of the 21st century.

Do you think the same people in the universities that are attacking the, the mentor, the Yoda are the same, are the same people that say quotes like, well, just trust the science. Science has become their God, so it can never be questioned.

Yeah, they trust research and science is obviously what comes next. So science is not research. Yeah, but those are the people. Yeah, it's always, it's not on a paper, so it's not existing. But science is my, in my opinion is actually the stuff that, that we look for what is not yet been discovered. That's science. And then research is basically the papers where we have agreed on with randomized controlled trials, for example, that this is always the case. So that's set. But this is if we would stop there, there's no more progress. But progress is evolution. And it always goes like this, obviously. And we, we need to find next ways. I'm trailblazing the way for biodentistry for decades, just being curious. And I don't say that I know the full picture. And I'm right now I do ceramic implants. But maybe 10 years from now there's better solutions. Maybe we can grow teeth, I don't know. But if it's happening, I'm happy for it. So not saying, oh, I learned this 10 years ago, I'm sticking there.

I think what happens, and I'd love to know what you feel about this, is like somebody invests 10, 20 years of their life into a field. Right. I can only imagine how much sacrifice it is to become a dentist or a doctor. It's not easy. Like you have to really, really throw down in many different ways. And so if all of a sudden there is this study from Yoda in the cave and he's like, hey guys, this is actually what I found after 40 years. Let's take an honest look at this. Then everyone else who was trained in a different way, the opportunity cost of them changing their practice is so vast because they would have to go back and change so many things. Just like the same thing happens in medicine with virology and immunology. It's the same thing.

It's true.

The opportunity cost is so great that they'd have to have a gut check moment where they realized that if their ego's not in check, they could fall into a trap and say, I just wasted 10 to 20 years of my life, John. It's all gone. But it's actually not the case because you said, which I believe all physicians take, or even a dentist takes an oath, first, do no harm.

Exactly.

That's the oath that everyone takes. That also means let go of my ego if it is doing harm. If I'm worried about the opportunity cost of having to actually change my position after 10 to 20 years of practice, then so fucking be it. Because your patient's health is the main thing anyways. First, do no harm. I think that's why people don't change, especially in medicine or dentistry.

Yeah, I get it. Opportunity, because I didn't know the word, but that's, that's the problem. I get it. And I have trained so many dentists over the years and there were some called, for example, the root canal specialists are called endodontologists. And they really have a great, they do a great job. They even use microscopes. And then there was one guy sitting in front row and asked me, you're telling me that root canals, it's what my main professions are not healthy for the body and I should get rid of my 50,000 Euro microscope? And it's like, yes, you should. If this is the next level for you and if you're the right person, you open minded, they do it. I have so many trained that said, okay, I understand it, I want to help patients. I realized the last 10 years were just bringing me to this level, but I'm up for the next level. But you need to have this sort of mindset. Therefore all the dentists I'm training these days, they learn the mindset change first. They have to start with themselves. They have to change the nutrition. They learn the food design, the bone healing, they learn everything. They come to me for the surgery, for the cavitations. They take, they come to see me and I take out the root canals and place an immediate ceremony they don't stop out of. They have to practice what they preach later. This is how we do it. Otherwise they can never help you heal. If you, if they're still not healthy, how should they do it?

Wow, I just got like a full body chill on that one. Yeah. I mean really. Because if you're not a walking embodiment of the work you're doing in the world, people don't trust you. And somebody could be a really great speaker, right. And do and even a great surgeon or a great dentist, but if they themselves, there's something in their being that's not trustable. We can sense it. Like Dr. Zach Bush calls it the enteric nervous system and the redox communication between our digestive system. There's something. And even Stephen Porges talks about this with the micro muscles in our face where when you and I first met, we were looking at each other and getting the vibe, right? Can I trust this person? Is he legitimate? Is he an embodiment of what he's like? This is all happening on a very.

Quick unconscious level and only possible in person.

And only possible in person. You just zoom's got those filters, y'. All. It makes you look like you're a candy cane or something. It's quite interesting. But yeah, that's why I think that you're so good at what you do and it's why you have people coming to you more and more and more. It's why at first glance, when the PR company reached out to us, I had never really even heard of cavitations or of biological dentistry. I had heard of, like, organic methods where we're doing the oil pulling and the teeth and the tongue scraping. But this is so interesting for me because if I'm in this world for so long, 20 years now, and I'm just finding out about it, what chance does the normal population, the regular outside wellness world population, have? Unless they hear it on a podcast, that's the only way they can really learn about. They ain't going to hear it from their dentist on the corner.

Yeah, you're completely right. And I think this is so great that you guys or you have a podcast because now we can speed up the change because of you talking about it. Otherwise no one knows about it. How can they? That's why I love about the new age that we are able to spread the word faster. And I think this is a good thing about the Internet and about all the. Yeah. Of all that coming together, so to speak. Yeah.

Okay, so this is really interesting because now I'm definitely making the appointment. I. I had scheduled the appointment, but now I rescheduled it. Now I'm going to make the appointment for the cone beam. It's not that I want to have. I'm not saying here I want to have a cavitation. Therefore it can explain why maybe in my life I've had hyper vigilance, but I just wonder. It's like I have that curiosity and so odds are I may not have it. Right. But at least I go and do the cone beam and I see, and hopefully I'm going to send it to you because you said you'd take a look at it, so I'll go there. And so that's just one thing. There's so many other things that people are doing, like using fluoride and using Listerine and using these washes. Right. Like, what's another one that maybe the average person just doesn't know about? They have unconscious incompetence about it. They don't even know. They don't know that it's actually harming their mouth instead of helping their mouth. Is there something like that that you just see across the board? Is it a mouthwash issue? Is it a toothpaste issue? Is it something else?

I think all the oral health care we, we are doing these days, there's just a band aid for the wrong lifestyle.

So.

And it's all designed the same way with basically, we want to disinfect something. So the toothpaste is full of chemicals that actually change your oral microbiome on a daily basis. So you're using chemicals in your mouth that you would never eat, but you put into your mouth two times a day because you think your dentist told you it's good. And obviously, as dentists we have learned so. So this is something that actually is, in my opinion, causing more harm than it. That is good. But obviously we have to change the narrative and explain to patients what would be the good lifestyle so that we don't need to spend it. Because again, in our bubble of people that are interested in health, they maybe already know about these things, but the average person will never get their hands on it. Or the Listerine. Like every single aisle is full of the blue and green and red Listerine. The brown one, even Listerine is marketed heavily. Was market marketed as like a floor cleaner in, in the last century.

As a floor cleaner?

Yeah, look it up. I, I just recently found it out. It's like, what. How could they be able to market it as an oral health care strategy against bad breath? And everyone takes it and you could basically clean a floor or your toilet with it, but I wouldn't put it in my mouth. It's. It's super acidic stuff. It's. It's ethanol based. It maybe leaves you with a good breath for like a day, but in the long run, because it's killing your oral microbes and leading to dysbiosis, you'll probably end up having bad breath from it.

So is Listerine like antibiotics for the mouth?

Kind of, yeah. It's more like nuking everything. Yeah. So first of all, it's an atom.

Bomb for your mouth.

It's nuking it. It's basically. Do you have an amazing microbiome in your mouth? It's actually the second largest to the gut, most diversified and it's the same as using sanitizers on your skin. Microbiome, you would know that it's changes it. Right. It's the same in your mouth. You don't want to, you don't want to kill stuff. You want to modulate your immune system to balance the microbiome out. Maybe. So maybe at the beginning, if you like very. Having a lot of oral health issues and you see a dentist, you have lots of tooth decay, then you maybe need a chemical or let's say an antibiotic. Mouthwash. Yes. Because you maybe have some bacteria that are really? Too overrepresented. Yeah, but that's maybe for two weeks, three weeks, maybe four. But not your whole entire life. For the entire life. It will be ideal to sort out the nutrition and then do something that is soothing to your oral microbiome and balance it and then your immune system. Our immune system is the main issue why we're all chronically unhealthy because it's getting into attack mode because of all the various different stressors. So taking away a few stresses is actually a good thing.

That's so true. Because most people would go to the grocery store or Costco and buy like the 40 pack of the Listerine. Yes. And you're saying it's floor cleaner. Come on, it's fl. Come on, guys. It's marketing. Marketing can harm you or it could help you. Oh, my God.

It's actually also super acidic. And we know that if you have an acidic level below 5.5 that this will demineralize your tooth enamel over the long run. So you want to have your, let's say your oral ph more to the side of seven. And if you do Listerine, it's too, too acidic. And same is also ethanol bases alcohol. And why would you do that? So it makes no sense. There's better alternatives that are just free of.

That's literally. I was just going to be like, okay, so do we get like a mint plant and then mix it with baking soda and hydrogen peroxide? Or like, how do we. What do we use as a mouthwash?

You could actually probably do what you just said, but I would only just go as a strategy we use is called oil pulling. It's ayurvedic classic strategy. Coconut oil pulling specifically because coconut oil is antibacterial and antiviral. And I think probably all of us have extra virgin coconut oil at home, at least. The biohackers sure to. To fry something in it. And you just basically take a teaspoon of it in the morning or whenever you have the time for it, put it in your mouth, swish it around for five to 15 minutes, then spit it out. That's it.

And that's it.

You can obviously enhance it by maybe putting a little bit of propolis drops to it and a few clove or essential oils. But yeah, you could just go with the coconut oil. That's it. It's basically for free and it's especially good in the wintertime. I don't know if you have wintertime here.

Oh, yeah, it gets cold. The pipes broke in Texas. Man, did you hear about really cold. Oh, it gets so cold that like pipes burst and people's apartment complexes flood.

So yeah, Texas is wild in, in Germany, same. So if the wintertime comes and we have more immune triggers, more viruses or bacteria coming in, the oil pulling actually helps extremely. Because the mouth is your first defense and you have more bacteria in there. So if you can take them up by pulling that oil and spit it out is a good strategy.

So it allows the good microbiome to flourish. How so? Because. Because the other one, Listerine is nuking everything. Right. It's just like if it's a bomb you're putting off in your mouth. Yeah, but then how does the coconut oil promote the healthy microbiome?

It's more specific and just it will take up a few bacteria and viruses that are. That don't like the lauric acid in it, for example, but some love it. So the commensal bacteria seems to like it. You can also go with other oils. It's also the fatty component of the oil that helps with the toxins because usually toxins are fat soluble. So we'll just stick to it. You could also do olive oil pulling or X or let's say cold pressed walnut oil. You know, seed oils, if they're highly refined is not ideal.

Yeah, don't use canola.

I don't know if it's cold breast canola oil is existing, might be okay, I don't know. But not the, the expeller breast stuff. Yeah, not the super refined stuff. Is that stuff actually if you would oil pull with it. I'm quite sure that you will get bleeding gums from it over time because it's an inflammatory thing.

That wouldn't surprise me. So when someone's tongue is super white, like they have that pasty white tongue, is that because the mouth microbiome is in dysbiosis? Is that what that means?

Yeah, it's usually a sign of imbalance of the microbiome. Wrong diet, wrong lifestyle, wrong nutrition. And therefore we would use a tongue scraping. It's again ayurvedic. Classic strategy. Just use a copper tongue scraper and, and brush the tongue from down there to the outside like five to ten times upon waking. Cost you ten seconds. And this will clean off that coating, which is bacteria debris, which is bacteria and food debris and maybe a couple of toxins. It will also obviously help against bad breath. It's again basically for free. Just have to do it. It's all in the consistency. Consistency is key. You have to do it. Same with A coconut opening. If you just do it once a month, yes, it won't do the trick. But if you do it every day, or every day, ideally, or every other day, it's perfect.

You know, it's wild in our place here. We have a lot of daddy long leg spiders. I don't know if you have like insects and stuff at your home.

We do, but probably not as extreme.

They're pretty things in Texas. Seem like they want to kill you. We found like a huge whatever the centopod or whatever it is with like the big daggers. Anyways, I. I heard this research that we swallow like a pound of insects in our sleep, depending on where you live. So I would think that scraping your tongue would be really good if you have a lot of insects where you live because they're crawling in your mouth.

That's crazy.

That's true.

But you should be nose breathing.

That's true. That's even better. Right. So we would put some tape on our mouth, go through the nose. That'd be even more trippy. Okay. Dude, we've covered so much ground. I've really enjoyed this a lot. What did we miss? When we look at the way that the mouth literally opens the door to the body itself, I mean, there's something we missed. I can feel it.

I mean, if you look at it just from the anatomy, the mouth is the entrance to that tube that starts in the mouth and ends at the rectum. That's the complete gut system starts in the mouth. So I think what we maybe missed is that digestion starts in the mouth. Just by thinking about food, you will produce saliva. It's mouth watering is what they say.

Think of a lemon. Squeeze a lemon in your mouth right now.

Yeah. And then you already have like a saliva there. And if you think about your nice steak, you will have saliva in your mouth. Because the mouse is designed to chew food on the, on the teeth. But then the saliva is kind of like a miracle molecule if it's healthy and balanced and that contains all the digestive enzymes and a big immune system. And it will help form or help pre digest all the food and also obviously attack invaders already. And also what's important is maybe when it comes to gut health, and I know in this field a lot of people talk about gut health being the entrance to optimal health, but the missing link is optimal health. Optimal gut health is the mouth, which is the entrance. The gut microbiome can never be healthy if the mouth is not in check because. Because you swallow about 140 billion microbes a day. It's not just bacteria, it's bacteria, viruses, fungi, all the stuff. And this is 50% of your gut microbe just coming every day from your mouth. So if you had dental repair done or you eating the wrong foods, it obviously affects the gut down there. So every single gut healing protocol involves the complete mouth healing too.

So the like you said, this is.

The way you can, this is a part. You can't biohack yourself because you need to see a biodentist, a real bio dentist ideal.

It seems like it. I mean I'm definitely inspired by this conversation to get a real cone beam, that's for sure. And also do the coconut oil pulling. It's so funny. I have it like in a little case on my counter and I just don't do it one thing before I let you go. Well, but now I'm inspired, right, Because I'm learning from you that for five minutes a day it's going to literally transform my mouth.

And you could actually implement the strategy in your net time or in your time when you anyways, for example, cook your breakfast, that's when I do it. I just take that teaspoon of coconut oil and I cook my eggs at the same time. So I have that five minute or I drive to the office and have it in my mouth. So you don't actually need to stand in your bathroom five minutes or 50 minutes. No, you just do it whenever you have to. Even in the shower. You could do it like just. The only thing is, again, consistency is key. Just do it and don't be ashamed if you haven't done it or whatever. It's just, just install it now. It's for free.

It seems like it would be a good opportunity for meditation, self reflection because it's not like you can talk to anybody or really do much.

But what is good if you do it and meditate, you have to breathe through your nose at the same time because you cannot coconut oil pull and breathe through your mouth, for example. So it's another trick to train nose breathing. If you do coconut oil, then you have to do it for 15 minutes. But yeah, try swishing with open mouth and breathing at the same time. It's not working.

Okay, so this is where we're at. I think now is this concept where I've been so fascinated by just the fact that some people's teeth are so disgusting and they just don't like I have a buddy, I'm not going to say who it is. His teeth are so gross and his breath Is always smelling so bad that one day I just turned to him and I said, hey, man, I, I don't want to offend you, but like your breath, your breath is always bad and your teeth are yellow. Like, has anybody ever said this to you? And he said, no, no way. He said no. That no one had ever didn't know. It's like he didn't know. And I find this a lot with British people. Like, they'll drink tea and crumpets and their teeth are fairly yellow and stained. How do we bridge this conversation? Is there a way to bring it up with class with someone that they constantly have bad breath? I mean, do you do it like I just did it? Yeah.

I think this is a sensitive topic. Unfortunately, very.

Nobody wants to, nobody wants to have stinky breath.

But I think in animal world, if you smell a dog that eats normal food, it doesn't have the nicest breath. I think we probably haven't would have normal breath if we eat the real diet. And it's being stinky is more a sign of being unnatural. So I personally would do it the same way as you do. I just approach straight. I'm sometimes being a little bit too straightforward with people, so it might hurt their feelings because I'm just too direct. Same with my boys do that all the time. And when one of my kids wake up and have bad breaths, they just tell me, stink like shit. What's happening. So they tough them up already. But I think you have to tell, you have to tell the, like, tell them the way you do it. Like, I'm very sorry that I'm off maybe offending you, but you have a bad breath. And then he opens up and say, hey, I didn't even know. Because it helps him heal his overall health. Because the bad breath is a sign of unhealthiness. Bad oral health equals bad overall health. You cannot have have good health overall if you have bad oral. It's not possible. And you know how, how important teeth are also just. I think this is all subconsciously. There's one great meme on Instagram or on the socials. There's a picture of a guy who has a missing front tooth and also a missing eyebrow. You never see the missing eyebrow. You only see that missing front tooth. Because it's so important. As soon as someone has a missing front tooth, you think something's wrong, right? Yeah, because teeth are. I mean, if you lose your teeth in nature, you're basically dead. You cannot kill an animal anymore. You cannot survive. So teeth are really important not just for biting.

Yeah. I mean, what a powerful reminder for all of us to just pay attention to what's going in our mouth, but also pay attention to what's already inside of our mouth. I think that could be probably the main take home from this, is like you don't have to be perfect, but there are just some really powerful changes that you talked about to where you don't have to go and get like thousands and thousands, maybe tens of thousands of dollars of damage later. Essentially, it may be inconvenient, but it's actually more convenient than what would happen later. With interest.

Exactly. So, yeah, I think in the future we shouldn't need a dentist to repair anything. That would be my goal. Obviously not so cool for all the dentists. But right now, unfortunately, for probably a lot of decades, we need to fix what we have done in the past and need to fix it with biomaterials. Luckily, we can do this. These days we do that in one complete health optimization week, putting out all the metals, safely, doing the ceramic, and so it's possible to restore. But ideally you don't want to ever need dental repair. And if you had dental repair, like you said it, this might be the one part that you couldn't hack yourself. And then you find a real biodentist that knows how to help you on that journey, on that part of things.

I remember I was interviewing the founder of a company and his, his name is Dr. David Minkoff. Have you heard of him? Yes, from Body Health. Yeah. And he went through such a drastic journey with amalgam fillings. I believe it was either him or his wife. It was one of the two. And literally when they were in the office and they finally actually protruded the tooth and it started coming out, the smell, like the smell of the bacteria was so intense that it filled the entire room. And I wonder, like, gosh, how many people, if you had to guess, I know you don't have the data on this, or maybe you do. How many people have this bacteria and literally this toxin and poison just sitting, sitting in their tooth and they don't even know it. You had said that 80% of people that come to you that have a cavitation scan have some kind of a cavitation from the cone beam? If you had to guess how many people actually have toxicity in their mouth and don't know it?

Well, that's difficult to say because it's depending on obviously age. So let's say everyone above 50. I would probably say 60 plus percent. I think the Younger the generation, the less bad dental repair they had, but they still probably had their wisdom teeth removed. So again, 80%. So there's lots to. To optimize here.

So safely, it's over half.

Safely, I would say. Safely, it's over half. Yeah.

Yeah.

If you had, like anyone listening, if you had dental repair done, and if anything, black there, that's a problem. If you. You should ask for the root canal question. Also, use this information not just for yourself. You might be totally healthy and fine, but what about your mom, your dad, your grandparents? They maybe have a lot of bad stuff, bad dental repair in their mouth. They're probably good in compensating for it because they're more resilient being older. But still, maybe that's the Alzheimer's. Maybe that's a chronic joint issue. Maybe that's their gut issue. Maybe that's their skin eczema, the acne. You have to see it this way. Maybe they overlook this part because no one will tell you. Not a dentist and not a doctor. This is why we're bridging the gap here. Yeah.

And I really, I enjoy this so much because the reason I'm so enthralled and constantly fascinated by just the world of wellness, I guess you could say, you know, we're on the Wellness of Wisdom podcast, is because I saw what it was like for a lot of my family to go through so many health journeys that were just, in my opinion, at least, knowing now what I know, mostly unavoidable. Right. For them, they thought. But they were avoidable. They were absolutely avoidable. And so it's this mindset thing where we have this bathtub and there's this concept of allostatic load, which I'm sure you know about and talk about. We can only handle so much stress. So something like, you know, a cavitation or an amalgam filling or a poison that's literally leaking into your brain that's even more trippy that you had mentioned that it may not come around till you're later in life, but by then, your bathtub is so full, your allostatic load is so high, that by the time you're seeking for answers, you're willing to do whatever it takes to find it. And I just wish there was a way that we could. And maybe that's what we're doing here on this podcast, bring people to the truth in so many different ways of wellness that flies in the face of what they've been told before, because once you're older, it's More challenging the body has. Has been set in its ways. What do you feel about that?

Yes, I 100 agree. I think the sooner we can start investing in optimal health and we get the dividends later. Obviously the sooner you start getting healthy on every level, the longer you probably can live in healthy. Because I mean disease is just an idea, right? So we have 19, 000 different symptom complexes and diagnosis that we have to learn in medical world that make no sense. Basically there is no real disease. You can all reverse it and then see it as a signpost. Maybe your body's just telling you something and we can change this and obviously just be smart about it. Is there something unnatural in your body? Can you help do this? And before. So invest in optimal health starts with your lifestyle, starts with your nutrition. You can on a daily basis. The food you eat can either be destroying you in the long run or just help towards longer healthier life. So I feel the same way here.

Yeah.

And I think it's so important.

It really touches on many of the things that you and I have touched on and that is a unique level of awareness and consciousness. Because, and I'll say this with respect, I had a neighbor when I was living in San Diego, I'll just say San Diego County. And he came to me one day and he was like, yeah, I got diagnosed with cancer and you know, I'm. I'm gonna fight this thing. And I could see within him that he was already gone just by the stamping of his physician that said you have cancer. He allowed it based on his level of consciousness. And by the way, it's not to demonize him. And I say this with respect, right. Because it's a very touchy subject. He had already lost. He was already defeated in that moment. And he eventually passed. He died. But I could tell and the answer that I'm really wanting from you because you see people when they're typically later on in their journey, when things haven't worked out very well, they come to you. What is it unique about the mindset of somebody that. That believes that they are well, not pseudoscience, but like truly believes in their heart that they're well and that this illness or this disease has come to them to teach them something radical about themselves.

Yeah, that's. That's exactly what it is. It's just teaching you something that you find. That's what he said about with the Game Boy of life. This is just again your end boss. You can either go this way and the soul goes away because you already lost the fight, so to speak. Or you say, oh, this is my challenge. I'll fight it on a positive way. I'll balance it out better than fighting it and find the way. The body's just. The universe is just showing me something. But then obviously, you need people that can guide you on that way. That is why we, I think, come all together like a wolf pack of health.

Sure.

And. And tell them, do you have. Sometimes they just need that. They need that padding on the back. It's like, dude, you got it. It's possible because like you said, with that cancer diagnosis, the backpack you get on is basically, you're going to die in five years.

Yeah.

This is hard for the spirit and the soul. I have seen friends of mine, 36 years of age, getting the diagnosis, and you couldn't even visit them anymore because they were dead two days later. Because the soul have. Basically, we say that in Germany, the. The guys had off. That means the soul has given up and just disappeared. So it's really insane and on a subconscious level. So the placebo effect, even in medicine, is bigger than everything. Fear is bigger than everything. That's why sometimes people need like a. A band aid to get out of fear mode. Because fear mode will block your immune system, will block your nervous system. This is actually the worst that can happen. So believing is probably the best strategy. If you believe that you can heal yourself or help your body heal yourself, you will do that. I'm 100 sure about it.

And you've seen this play out.

Yeah, I've seen. You can't imagine if you work with thousands of patients, especially in that world of chronic health issues. I have seen people die, obviously, but you see a lot of things that you cannot explain. And you're like, it's not possible. Like, on the next day after surgery, they tell you 80 of all the stuff that I was working for the last 20 years is. Is gone now already. I'm just like, goosebumps again. That can't be possible. So obviously, I have the moral obligation to share with the world that this is possible. I don't say that the root canal is killing you. I don't say that. I don't say the mercury filling, because there are people out there, they're so resilient. They can probably smoke 90 cigarettes a day and drink beer a day and only eat processed foods and still get 100 years. But the truth is, most people get unhealthier. They may be getting older, but they're not healthy old. Because my goal Is. And yours probably too, is to get as old as possible with a young cell. So I'm just more wise in the end. But I can still lift and do great shit when I'm 100 years old. Why not?

Oh, one of my. One of the guys. I'm so with you because one of the guys. I would love if there was one person who's deceased that I would love to interview, it's Alan Watts. And Alan Watts has such a divine wisdom. I mean, it's like, y' all have to look at Alan Watts and what he talks about that you just said, but he describes it a bit different. He said, really, the goal is to get paid to play and to grow older, but keep your rascality. Be a rascal. Like, have fun with life. Have an edge to you. Even Matthew Hussy, the relationship coach, says, women want a good man with an edge. Right. They want a man who's powerful but playful. Yeah. They want a man who is in his masculine and his feminine. And I think the people that really win at life and really succeed are the ones that are in their 70s, 80s, and 90s, and they're still a fucking rascal. Yeah, they still enjoy their life. And yes, they have little tweaks and aches and pains or whatever, but they're not susceptible when they get, like, the ivory tower saying, you have cancer, this is your diagnosis. This is who you are. God, it dominoes people, right? So I wonder, like. And obviously for confidentiality, you can't share names or specific situations. So just share whatever you can. There's got to have been one patient that came in and you said, wow, this person. I know in my heart they're going to get well because I can feel it from them. I can hear it in the way they speak about their condition or what they're working through. Do you have someone like that?

I mean, there's. There are many people like, like that coming in.

How do they speak and what do they emit? Who are these people that know they're.

Well, they're just more like us. They. You can instantly. I would say you instantly feel that they are more present. You. You can feel that they are not afraid. As soon as I have, unfortunately, most patients that come in, they are in fear mode. I have to be the. The other side of that and compensate for them. So to tell them, hey, even though you have these things for 30 years of life, don't tell yourself the story. We can help yourself and. And help your body heal. Just trust in the process. But they have told their stories often. So more of the people are actually in the fear mode. But there are some. And they're just like. I think they're just like us. They're playful with their life. They know just another challenge. They might be a sport, sporty and athlete or an entrepreneur. They had a fair share of other challenges. They just see it as a challenge. I think this separates it a little bit. Fear versus what is the other side of fear? Some people just have the opposite love. Love and connection. They just know they're. Maybe they have a better. They have a purpose in life. Purpose in life always helps. You can feel it. They just. They will know it. And even though you throw at them a hundred diagnosis don't affect them. They don't even trust that system. So for me personally, I learned all this luckily soon enough very early in my career about all these mindsets.

And who taught you? Who taught you?

I learned from so many. But one of the biggest mentors was Dietrich Klinghardt is his name. He was integrative medical doctor, but he did a lot of work with psycho emotional trauma. But very good overall doctor. And when I learned all his. All his teachings, so I became an art. It's called autonomic response testing. It's muscle testing, basically what he does, but also for the psyche and everything. Oh, so Dietrich did this causes art. Autonomic response testing. And one part of it was the psycho emotional trauma, otherwise with the physical side of things. And I knew exactly when I came in the first time, I was like 28 years old, very like masculine energy and stuff. And like, I'm smashing this, whatever. And then they were talking about psycho emotional trauma. And I'm like, I'm not having this. It's not my issue. And then the teacher was like, yeah, yes, dude. You will see on this weekend, he angled you out.

He's like, he needs it the most.

Exactly. He said, you other one needing the most. And then I see myself next day crying, next day crying, like having so much issues to work with. So I know exactly how it is. But this is obviously humbling you down and telling you, man, this is how you can improve too. Then you see it. This is what you see. Then I think if you're a little bit ahead and always try to improve yourself, you can help your patients better because you see where they're at right now. You can feel their level of fear or the level of being, if I can say so, and just tell them, don't be afraid. This is just your healing journey. And then you have to reaffirm them a lot of times, oftentimes because they come back to the story. But what if.

Sure, sure.

This is where you have to like mentally also train yourself because your brain doesn't really know if you told yourself a story for 30 years, sometimes hard to get rid of it.

This is why it's so important. That. And I'll give credit to, to Greg, the police officer that I interviewed, Greg Anderson, he has this phrase, he says everybody just needs to microdose adversity. Like we need cold plunges, we need hard things, lift heavy things. But it's not like these are all things that we see on social, right. Like look at David Goggins, you know, running 50 miles in the cold, whatever. I think to actually reach people where they are. If we can give people micro doses of adversity where eventually maybe once a quarter or once a year, they do a macro adversity, like a 20X or a Navy SEAL training or something like that, it's so powerful for them because that's what they take into the stage of their life. When they do go through illness or disease, they take that mindset to it. So it's not just about looking cool and posting your cold plunge on Instagram. It's like you're actually doing this to build and fortify your psyche so that you can't be monetized and people can't use compassion and gender dysphoria and all this crazy insanity shit to weaponize themselves against you. You become unfuck withable in a way because you're microdosing your own adversity. Like you're a fit guy. You obviously train. There's a certain way you live your life. Do you do this? Do you micro dose adversity in your life every day? Every day.

What do you do?

How do you.

I mean for me is. For me it's fun obviously, but I always implement new challenges. For example, with training I would. There's not a single day that I don't do anything. So for lately, for example, Ben Pakulski, I don't know if you know him, he is a friend of mine. But he was former Olympia bodybuilder.

Yes, I've met him a few times.

I asked him a few things about how to upgrade my physique and stuff and he said, what about your VO2 Max? Like, don't know, I have never tested it and how can I train it? He's like, you have to do more like the Zone 2 training, which is basically doing 60 minutes of walks and for me personally, very boring stuff. So I forcefully do these things then. And I have no excuse to not do it. So I go to the gym, for example, and do 60 minutes on a, on a StairMaster, even though it's very boring and challenging. So I always implement some sort of challenge for training. Obviously always want to grow. And same for my kids. Like we start every morning with a couple of push ups or.

Oh yeah, you micro do your kids with adversity.

I microdose them extremely. Because I can see that this generation is even more softer and they are very. What is this in English? Weak. Weak and offended. Not my kids so far. But because I try to train, I'm sometimes a little bit too extreme, as I told you. But my wife is very. Then the soft pillow if I'm too extreme. So we're very good with the masculine and feminine energy in our, in our house and balance it out. But I always train my kids for. What is this for self discipline. They have to learn the self discipline because I think this will help them later on for anything in their life. And also at the same time, I teach them to have fun, but put in the work just a little bit. And then we read books together where they learn about the 0.5% better per day. And then it's like 10,000% in 10 years. A thousand percent in 10 years. And they keep this in their mind and we repeat it every evening. In the morning we do some sort of church, just five minutes. And have two of my older sons that are already able to do this. Like Max and Carl. Max, you need to push Carl, you need to stop. He's more like me. So Carl will wake up and say, dad, can I go 100 push ups today? I was like, yeah, sure, do it. Let's do 5 times 20 today or do it 10 by 10. So this is the way we push it. But the other one is like, no, dad, I don't want to do it. But then he does it and then he loves it afterwards. So yeah, just implementing these strategies. And I do, I probably do that on a daily basis. And I, I just like the challenge. Me personally too. And therefore, obviously I also challenge my patients a little bit. You change this, I think is important.

Well, because there's, there's a. I like what you said and it makes me, I feel empathy and sadness for what you said as well, because I can see it. Like I can even see it. And, and I say this with love, like in my nephew's generation and I. He's I think he's like, 19, 20. Right. There's something about the. The mindset. They've been. They've been literally coerced into softness. They've been coerced into softness. This. Yeah. And it's really what their parents. It starts with the parents, just like it starts with oral health and breastfeeding. Right. And then, of course, it starts with in utero, the mo. The. The health of the mother. I mean, we have to go way to the roots of the tree to see the health of the branches here. And so looking at how kids have been raised in the past 10, 20 years, gosh, there's a lot of momentum, Dominic. There's a lot of momentum against that generation with automation of food being dropped off at their door and literally an attack on health that is so subtle, so subversive, that if you're not careful, it can just take over.

Yeah. And the same with the technical side of things, like all the iPads and iPhone stuff. I don't have anything against it, but managing this with kids that are, like, 10 years old is really difficult. I want them to be able to use technical side of things. Technical things, gadgets and stuff. But at the same time, I don't want them to be controlled by it. So I have to give it to them, but then also have restrictions to it. So this is. I think this can only do the parent. Only parents can tell them, you do 30 minutes of screen time, but only if you read 30 minutes, you do another 30 minutes. You have to do something else for 30 minutes, like. And then what they do on screen time is also important. And I think maybe sometimes, therefore, I will. I will be strict, and I hope my sons will like it in the end. You sometimes, obviously, I hate it inside that I have to take it away.

Yeah.

As you know. But at the same time, I have to be the dad and. Or the father can't be always the dad. The cool dad. I have to be a father's like, no, bro, sorry, it's too much. And then he learns it. Luckily, hopefully, God, I'm. Same with the food. Same with everything.

Look, this con. This conversation is metaphysical. It's not just biological dentistry conversation we're having. This is a metaphysical conversation. Conversation. Because so many elements of how a human being is raised and how that impacts their health and their habits and their mindset flows into the habits that they have for their mouth, flows into the food that. I mean, it's literally. And I know y' all are gonna be like, okay, we know this. It's all connected. It truly is all connected. Everything that we do impacts everything else. And when one area of our life is suffering or it needs attention, it's gonna start to put pull resources from another area. It's unavoidable. There's no way around it. So if the only way out is through, where do we go from here? You know, what do we do from here? Like, how do we raise the next generation of children with health as a focus and with microdosing adversity as a focus? Yeah, what does that even look like? Because I know a lot of parents are with us too. And yes, the mouth is an important conversation, very important, but it's attached to everything else.

It is extremely attached to everything else. So this is a question I get a lot is my kid has tooth decay. What can I do? So, like baby teeth already, being black and rotten is a big thing these days, especially in the western world. And the first thing I always ask is, have you had their vitamin D3, vitamin D3 level checked? Because usually it's too low and we need vitamin D3 to build proper teeth and bones. And then the second question would be gluten intolerance, because there's lots of research showing tooth ck, especially for kids, being linked to celiac disease and leaky gut and gluten intolerance, basically celiac disease. But if I know if someone has celiac disease, being gluten intolerant is almost celic disease. So leaky gut and stuff. So this is the two questions. And usually then they have to, then they see, oh wow, my kid is actually eating. It doesn't have a sweet tooth. I just weren't able to teach them real nutrition. And this is again what we need to bring to the table before you even basically get your kids or before you even get pregnant. Would be ideal to know how to feed them. Because as soon as you give kids processed foods or hyper palatable foods, I think they get addicted way faster than we do. Oh yeah, because it's like giving an alcoholic a drink. They eat it and then obviously they don't like the other food anymore.

Of course.

And as soon as you start that when they're like 2 years old, it's just too young. I mean, I don't mean that you cannot give them like a little sweet treat here and there, but it's again the 80, 20, but 80 towards healthy, real food. And 20 this the other way. So that's what we do in our like let's say our trip right now. I want my kids to eat a burrito, to eat their ice cream. I want it, but I want to have the 80% covered. So I ask them in the morning, what do we eat for breakfast, boys? What builds your body? Do you know which? What's the building block? So they will tell you protein. They will have the eggs. Then we try different things with eggs. Then they love their meat. So in la, where we at right now, there's I think a lot of Mexican culture. So there's a lot of Spanish food.

Yes.

And they found out that they love tacos with meats in it.

Oh, yeah.

We find gluten free ones, for example, even though we also will do the normal ones and burritos. So I'll test food with them and I think there will be the kids. If you ask them, really ask them to put a pile of gummy bears and a steak, what they would choose first, they would do the steak. I'm 100 sure. Because I don't want to say I indoctrinated them, but this is just how we live our lifestyle. And again, there shouldn't be a kids menu. We order the same menu but just in maybe tiny proportions.

That's so good. There shouldn't be a kid.

No kids menu. Have you seen kids menus? What is on there?

Oh, it's all. It's all garbage. Usually we'll go and we'll be like, show us your kids menu. And then I'll just order whatever I'm having and share it with my son.

Exactly. Oh yeah, exactly. My daughter.

We'll just get my daughter like avocado.

Yeah.

And she'll just eat an avocado and an egg.

Maybe eggs and avocado. Perfect breakfast. Okay. It's also good for strong teeth.

Listen, this has been amazing. I've. I mean, I love, I love learning new things and I probably learned like 20 to 30 new things on this podcast. I asked you a question that I'd love to go back to before we say goodbye. And I asked you, where do we go from here? And you talked about food and parenting and structure and boundaries, but where do you personally go from here? You know, what are you working on for you spiritually, emotionally, financially, physically, business wise? Where do you see the next five to 10 years of biological dentistry unfolding into like, if you had to close your eyes and just vision in the future, what do you think it might look like?

I do that a lot of times to be fair.

Okay.

Yeah. Because there's always certain levels that we have to master to get to the next One and like I said already before I had to get rid of that me doing, being good and just doing, doing and doing to becoming and being more self myself. So I'm just basically being the beacon for biodentistry and my mission is to help as many people as possible to get to that information. But also I think I'm a big teacher and I love to share my information with like minded dentists. The tribe that I call the real biodentists, the real bees. Real bees, like Wu Tang killer bees. Because just fun. And I see myself that I. I don't know if I will franchise things or stuff, but I definitely need to create places for optimal health starting in the mouse all over the world. And it started already. So it's not that it's really future work, it's already started. But I see the next decade will be me being more out there, not too deep into the surgeries. So I have to get myself a little bit out of the operational side of things. And I did already. I have five dentists in the staff and very good skilled surgeon, Dr. Bene. So it's coming, it's getting there because otherwise no one will teach and then we don't change. So I know that this is the mission and I can also see on these trips that I do right now, is this possible with kids and family at the same time? Can I juggle it? Because as you know, I was very good at just doing things. I could have just said, hey, I'm good with my clinic. It's all running is super smooth. But this is not the, this is not. I think it's not my purpose in life. My purpose is to share it and to spread the word. So I totally have to get rid of this shell of myself that was good at performing and just be more. I think this is where I'm at right now and just experience this and by doing this, actually create something bigger.

Well said, man. Really well said. Yeah, I, I feel like most masters, they go through the stage where they're a prince and then they become a knight and then they become a king, to quote Alison Armstrong. And so I feel like in order to really earn the seat or the throne of a king, you had to have really lived and, and had experience. Yeah. And. And had real challenges along the way where I think one thing that I'd like to offer as far as wisdom to that generation we were talking about is many of them, they want to skip the stages. They want to, especially with the rise of social media, they want to go from like the prince to the king. And they want to skip everything else. Yeah, but. But that's not possible, y'. All. It's not possible to skip. And honestly, when you skip, it actually turns out to be much longer road because you get burned really badly. Because when you do get this, the chance to show you, showcase your skills or be whoever it is you are, it will be very apparent that you haven't earned your path to get there.

This gives me goosebumps right now. It's exactly the same thing that I told my. My kids these days. You can see it already as kids just by, for example, skateboarding. One son just practiced the kick turn a little bit more often. The basics. And he just did a rock, rock and roll. This is just drop and then. Then twist this. The younger one and then the older one was so frustrated and I told him, dude, he put in more work. He just did the reps for the basics. Never skipped the basics. So he learned it straight away that he also has to do the stuff that is a bit more boring. So yes, like you just said, put in the work. I think this is 10,000hour rule. Yeah, I know in social media you see and you swipe and there's a successful person, but you don't see the 20 years before. And this is why you put in the hard work. And I specifically love to put in the hard work. I don't want to hack away my training and only do 20 minutes a week. I want to specifically do all these things and then implement it into my lifestyle and routine. Yes.

Great podcast, man. Where can people go to get the book and your website and your social media and get wise to their mouth.

Thanks. So the social media handle is Instagram. On Instagram is Dr. Dome1d o me1 Hope you put in the show notes. We'll do it. And then for the training for the real biodentist is the Institute of Biological Dentistry. And then there's Dr. Domy Official is a webpage where you can find the book. You can find the book. It's all in your mouth, basically. I think on all book platforms. And the training for the dentist, I said then, yeah, all the other things is probably linked to Instagram. It's the easiest.

Amazing. Thanks for coming to Austin.

Thanks for having me and Austin, enjoyed you here.

Okay, y'. All, until we see on another episode, Dominic and I, we're both wishing you love and wellness. We'll talk with you soon. Sa.