HPV Virus: Stop Being A Victim + Take Control Of Your Health

Talk about the two paths. Because one path Jane could go on would be the path of shame, the path of vibration, of victimhood, where she then goes and gets another vaccine and does all this unnecessary treatment, has a part of her cervix cut out. I mean, what an incredibly sad, arduous path. Then there's the other path where she could work with somebody like you and she could do something that actually addresses her immune system and the way that her body is actually built to survive and to thrive. Yeah, juxtapose those two, because this is actually the core of what we're talking about.

Yeah, you beautifully laid it out. There are two paths and only two paths. Whenever we receive any diagnosis, nudge, whisper from our body that, hey, something is not right, we have these two options. One is to say, this is happening to me. Woe is me. I'm a victim. Somebody figured this out for me. I'm going to go to my doctor. Whatever they say I'm going to do, because they're the expert. That's sort of, you know, approaching it from. You could say, like the child archetype. Right. Tell me what to do, how to do it. And there's nothing. I'm not going to say that that is bad. It's just one path. And you don't know what you don't know. So a lot of women go down this path of, you know, staying in this victim mindset. And I don't mean that as a degradation. I mean that you haven't fully taken responsibility for your full health expression. That's all that. That means you're looking to someone outside of yourself to fix the problem for you. When 10 times out of 10, when HPV is cleared, it's always done by your immune system every single time. No shot, no pill, no doctor, no procedure is going to clear that HPV for you. It comes down to your immune system. So the other path is saying, you know what? This really sucks. Wasn't really hoping for this outcome, but here we are. There's this acceptance, and then the next step is to say or to ask, how can I fix this? How? What can I do? What was my contribution to the certain. The specific circumstance that I'm in right now? And this applies to any medical diagnosis, not just hpv. What was my contribution? As Paul Checks says, the body never lies. You are God to your body, and your body is always reflecting back to you how well you are being God. So then at that point, if she maybe speaks to someone like me or Dr. Nathan Riley, she gets this Encouragement from the very beginning, like no girlfriend. You get to choose. You are in control. You get to take ownership of your health expression. You get to take responsibility. That's a gift. That means that leads to freedom. Right? If you're in someone else's hands, you're not free. So choosing, taking responsibility for your health expression is where freedom lies. That's where we. That's where we get our freedom is saying, I'm a sovereign individual and clearly my body needs help. That's all that this is. So we can alchemize or transform this signal from our body as this detrimental, you know, death sentence, which it's not to. My body needs help. I'm gonna treat my body like a best friend. What is my body asking for right now? What does she need from me right now? So in that we're taking ownership, we are a sovereign adult, wise adult archetype, and we are going upstream and asking why. Why is there this immune dysfunction in the first place? Clearly my body needs help somewhere, you know. Well, I've been going through the drive through more. I probably. I could clean up my diet a bit, you know, I really haven't been moving my body much. I know that physical movement, exercise is so good for the immune system. Yeah, I've definitely been slacking there. You know, I haven't really had a great relationship with myself. My mind has kind of been in the gutter. I've had an immense amount of stress from job, from kids, from the diagnosis of hpv. I know my stress buckets. I know that those are really full and I'm not dealing with stress in the optimal way. You know, these are different lifestyle aspects that we can take a step back from and look at with a discerning eye. A discerning eye, but a compassionate eye. Curiosity and compassion are the two main ingredients that we need here. Just curiosity about why this is happening. Go upstream and then compassion for understanding that, like, you did nothing wrong. This is not a situation where you need to be flogging yourself. This is simply your body asking for help. And when you can take that leap into, all right, I'm just. I'm just here to help. I'm. I'm here, here to show up for my body and help her where she needs it, where she needs more support, can we find more balance between not too much and not too little? That is the mantra for life in everything. Not too much sex, not too little sex, not too much food, not too little food, not too much.

Give me the Goldilocks.

Not too little. Sleep. Right. It's everything.

Yes.

So when we take that approach, you are now in the driver's seat of your health expression vehicle. And you get to decide not only is it like, it's so much more of an empowering place to be, I think, mentally and emotionally, but you really like, it's, it's, it's like a nervous system massage when you are able to tell yourself, nope, I'm doing everything that I can. I am here. I'm here to help my body and I'm going to give her whatever she, Whatever I intuit that she needs. Right. Or maybe with some guidance from, from people who have been through this before or from providers who have some experience here. I'm going to receive that guidance. I'm going to put my energy, time, effort and investments towards healing, towards helping my body heal. It knows how to heal. It wants to heal. It's working so hard to heal. 24 7. This is a signal that your body needs help in order to heal.

You're so fired up about this. I mean, you're not sitting here like, screaming, pounding your fist from a pulpit like you're, you're very. You have a conviction and there's a passion behind this for you. And I wonder if it's connected to when you said the wheels fell off the wagon when you're a dental hygienist. I know you had said you've never had hpv, to your knowledge, but the same way that women can fall and men can fall into this victimhood state where we talked about the two paths of Jane, she could go the empowered path or she could go the empath, the path of disempowerment. Neither one are, like, deserving of shame or praise, actually. It's just the path. The path is the path. But I wonder for you, the reason are you so on fire about hpv? Because it reminds you about something about yourself and the way that you overcame something that was making your health deteriorate.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I definitely, I know the feeling of being. Feeling like you're at a low, A rock bottom, a health hell hole. Rock bottom. And for me, that was back in 2017. Um, again, I. This was at the point where I was completely orthorexic in my tendencies, my habits, these healthy habits that become unhealthy because we take them to such a degree of severity.

It's Drake's fault when he talks about the girl on the treadmill only eating salad. It's his fault.

Right, Drake? I hope you're listening.

He's Creating unhealthy women. Drake, you suck. You suck, dude.

So this was me. I was way over exercising, way under eating for how active I was. And after a couple years of that, and not only that, but also, you know, that that was shortly after Chase and I separated, divorced. And I was carrying a lot of emotional baggage that I was not willing to look at because it meant that I needed to also look at how I carried myself through our marriage. And I wasn't willing to do that at that point. It was too much for me and I was just in self preservation mode. And so I was at this rock bottom hell hole. And I had the thought so many times, like I've been to doctors, I've been to naturopaths, no one can tell me what's wrong because I look fit, I look okay. I look like a girl. That works out. Oh, like, oh, just, you know, eat a sandwich, you'll be fine kind of thing. And it's like, no, this is deep. So I had this feeling like, no one is going to fix this for me. No one is going to help me. And. But I was committed to getting out of that hellhole and I did. I freaking clawed my way tooth and nail out of that hellhole. But it, it took probably way longer than it should have because I, I was on my own. And part of that is, you know, I'm not, I'm not blaming or shaming anyone. People did try to help me along the way, but part of that was on me because I wasn't willing to be completely honest with the people in my life who were trying to help me. So part of that is on me. You know, I'm not, I'm not shifting any blame here. It's, it's all on me. But I was, yeah, I was determined and committed to figuring this out, to living better, and I figured it out. I'm not saying that I'm at the destination of health because I don't believe there is a destination, but, well, yeah, we die. Yeah, right.

That's the destination.

Right. But I mean, you don't get to a point where you just say, I'm healthy and I'll just be like this forever. Right? It's a journey. And so I have overcome that. And also, you know, this big shame piece that is so interwoven to this HPV story that so many women feel. I have felt deep, immense sexual shame in my life. And I've also taken the time and put my energy, effort and resources towards releasing that because I knew that it would not serve me for the life that I wanted to live. I had to figure out a way to release this shame, and I did. And, you know, I'm really proud of that. And I want to be able to share this process with other women, any woman that it resonates with. You know, again, I have this lived experience and it pains me, you know, when I. When I feel like I'm not able to share it.

Well, you're here sharing it literally in the light, which is super important. I don't know if that was like a cool, like, spell you just casted on us, right? You're here in the light sharing it. I've. I've shared, God, maybe like 20 podcasts or more about my own journey of shame with pornography and shame with, like, kind of a sex addiction with women in Pacific Beach, California, which was an easy path for, I think, a lot of men to take. I was in the fitness industry. Like, it was just a very parasitic environment. And we know that pathogens are parasitic, right? Sex is the most beautiful, like, sacred. I've been learning this with Kerry Michelle, you know, like, what sex actually is, what sex in a divine union is, is so different than what I thought sex was in the past. So fucking different. And actually it created a bubble through my own behavior. And, you know, I love the old version of myself because he was literally doing the best he could with the amount of consciousness and knowledge that he had, but he literally was not doing what was serving his soul. And also figuratively, like, you could look at it in a book or you could see me in real life. And if you had any consciousness to yourself, you could look at like a 20 something, ish version of me and you would say, wow, this guy seems like he's not on the right path. Seems like he's really actually just taking advantage of others and hurting himself. Because deep within, inside of me, I didn't have an understanding of what loving Josh was. I didn't know what that was. I was seeking it through literally the cervix of women. I was seeking love for myself by getting it somehow on a temporary basis from women. And it took me so. So on a deep journey to actually touch that shame in moments. Sometimes when we touch the shame, maybe there's not even a space of courage in our heart that thinks we can even handle it, because the emotion of shame can be so heavy. It can be so much to even carry. So I do think there's a right time to heal for everyone. And that time is different because honestly, like, this is why repressed memories come up. Like somebody in their 50s all of a sudden remembers that they were molested because literally their. Their brain can't handle it. Their unconscious would not be able to. To survive so. So to speak, if they had the information. So somebody comes to you and they're at that point where they're. They're cool to let go of the shame now. They don't want to carry the shame anymore. I wonder if there's a courageous path to even describe or what words you could even use to describe. What is the courageous path of letting go of shame? Because that is like, yes, we're talking about HPV and sex, and we're talking about letting go of sexual shame, which I think is probably the biggest liberation for all of us. Especially. I'll speak for myself as a man with, like, previous sex addiction. But what does that look like, you know, in your opinion, from. From your own life and from the women that you've worked with and just, you know, the. The sage that's developing inside of you, the elder that's developing inside of you. What does she say about the pathway of courage to actually heal shame and let it go? What does that even look like or feel like?

Yeah, I love the way that you articulated that one thing I thought of when you were sharing your experience that I think will resonate with anyone who's listening, who has gone through a rocky time, maybe toxic relationships or hookup nature or whatever. The thing is that you might hold some shame about. If you never find your edges, you will never find your center. So you. We as humans are looking for those edges. And we oftentimes have to experience what we are not or what we do not want in order to know. Like, not just know, but like gnosis. Like, I know with every cell in my body that I am this or I am that or I want this. I want that. So we all do this. We all have to explore, right? We all get to explore. So I think that's the first thing is understanding that we all to some degree, go through this stage in our life where we should. I think it's part of the maturation process of becoming a wise adult is understanding what you don't want and what you don't, you know, what you don't want to continue creating in your life because you have experienced it and seen that it is empty. You can't know until you experience it for sure. So I think there's that piece. And then also, you know, you said the courageous path, which I love it.

Doesn'T feel like we love it when we're in it.

Right? Right.

You know, it doesn't feel like love.

Yeah.

Retrospective courage doesn't always feel like love. For sure.

Yes, for sure. Yeah. Courage is not without fear. Sometimes I think, maybe all the time, I think that's what defines courage is like, in the face of fear, I continue, I go this way because I know it's the highest version for me, just the highest path for my true self, my true nature.

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