LIVE PODCAST | Mike Koenigs: Being vs. Doing For Personal Power (Wellness Force)

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Josh Trent, Mike Koenigs in your studio. Thanks for having me. MAN on Wellness Force.

My pleasure.

You know, I met you at Dave Asprey's dinner, and I was literally just like, fascinated. I think you were even wearing that elephant pocket square.

Yeah, it's either a butterfly or elephant. Yeah. I've got to try to. I've been. I completely reinvented myself. And one of the ways I reprogram my brain and my being is by changing, changing how I dress.

Well, I liked your signature energy. You know, I met you with some friends at dinner and I thought. I was just fascinated with our conversation. It's not too often that I go to a networking space, and I really want to follow up people. You know, typically, we all find ourselves, like, whether you're an entrepreneur or just somebody going out to dinner, you'll want to, like, hang out with certain people afterwards. You're one of those people. And the more I dove into your work, the more I understood why. It's because we're both aliens. We both have this connection to consciousness and spirituality and literally being the person that we're designed to be. You have this concept being versus doing. I really wanted to dig into this day. You took a trip to Egypt. At some point in your life, you were there with Tony Robbins, I think Neil Donald Walsh.

I'm not sure, but I know Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer.

Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer.

It was Tony Robbins that created a connection to make that happen, actually.

What type of man were you in that moment when you were going to Egypt and what brought you there in the first place?

Well, I think it was the first time I went from being really, really broken to being somewhat not broken would be a good way of putting it. So here's what happened. I grew up in a very small, lower middle class environment, and my dad was a barber. He definitely did for a living, so he did a haircut and got paid. So. And I grew up in this environment where I always felt like I was born at the wrong place at the wrong time to the wrong family in the wrong part of the world. And I hated being a kid. My life really began when I was 18 and I left home and I started working the day I turned 16 full time. And I was always hustling to find an exit. And what happened? And I'll get to the answer the question, but the bottom line was I taught myself how to program when I was 14 because I wasn't good at school. I wasn't good at sports.

Computer program.

Yeah, I had the attention span of a bag of gnats. I guess I knew that was my way out. So if you fast forward a bit. I had started a business called Digital Cafe, a digital marketing agency. We were failing horribly. I, at one point was about $250,000 in debt. I was paying my employees with credit card checks. Miserable. I was also married to my high school sweetheart, and the marriage fell apart. Suddenly I'm broke, divorced. My business is a failure, even though we had high visibility clients. And I watched a friend of mine go to a Tony Robbins event, and his life was absolutely transformed in a short period of time. And I said, next time I see Tony Robbins that infomercial, I'm going to buy his stuff.

What year was this?

96.

96. This is just.

Yeah, so I was literally watching an infomercial and I responded to an infomercial and I bought it, which really defines a lot of what I ended up doing in my next iteration of life. But when I got Tony's stuff, I went to an event and of course I got introduced to Power Talk. You get a couple of these cassettes that you pop in. And he interviewed really interesting people like Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer. So I started following Deepak and Wayne and I went through a spiritual rebirth. I started practicing Kundalini yoga and meditating. I became a vegan. I quit drinking. I lost a bunch of weight. I mean, everything elevated. And I genuinely felt like I was vibrating at a different frequency. And I went to something called the Whole Life Expo. It was one of these live event places where they get a bunch of what I call fuzzy bunnies, feathers and crystals type of people together.

Lots of white robes and like hanging big rocks from people's necks.

Yeah, yeah, the whole. The who, every cliche you can imagine was there. And what happened next is I saw someone promoting an event with Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer, to Egypt. And by then, what I didn't say is after being introduced to Tony about a year later, my life had turned around. The business was being acquired by a billion dollar ad agency. I became financially solvent, found some love. I mean, everything started turning positively. But I ended up going to Egypt. Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra. It was amazing. And I was around what I would consider high frequency aliens.

Yeah. You know, and Tony Robbins is definitely an alien. Oh, yeah, let's just throw that out.

No, no, he's, he's, he's a, he's a super fascinating guy. And in this particular instance, one of the great experiences and there's an oh, by the way. Which I started playing Didgeridoo also. So I was doing a lot of breath work. I could tuvan sing and do circular breathing and all that kind of stuff. So. And I did a. You know, I just really got into it. So at one point Deepak got us into the Great Pyramid. And we got to go into the center of the great Pyramid where the great sarcophagus was, where they buried the big emperor. I don't remember which one.

Yeah, whoever was in the big Has a long name.

Whoever he was. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't think it was Tutankhamun. He had a different, different one. That's why I can't remember. But in that room, it turned out to have a very crazy resonant frequency because I could cord my voice at that point I was laying in the great sarcophagus in the center of the big pyramid, which some people consider to be energetically one of the most powerful energy vortices on the planet.

More than Sedona.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh yeah, yeah. This is like. This is why they built where they built.

Yeah, right.

And I courted and I was like. And the whole room shook. And there were like 60 other people in there, including Dyer and his wife at the time. And everyone chanted in and we like he hit this frequency. I had the ex. The experience, like the physical and spiritual experience of a true out of body slash. Like an energetic flash. I had a physical equivalent of an orgasm. It was amazing. And I just like suddenly was sweating and I like almost passed out. Came to and people pulled me out of the circadvas. I had no strength left. And I remember walking out of there and it was scary, but profound.

Sure.

And I think at that point I was like, holy cow. I really hit this different space. And if you fast forward a year later I met someone who invited me to travel on a very similar spiritual, archaeological, archetypal journey to Greece. And it was there that I met my wife who almost went to Egypt the year before. And she used to work for Deepak Wow. And used to run his event business. And the other person on the trip that I met was a woman named Ariel Ford, whose sister was Debbie Ford, a very, very famous spiritual guru, had been on Oprah, etc etc. But Ariel was the number one publicist for 11 New York Times number one best selling authors including Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer, Neale Donald Walsh, worked with Jack Canfield, Louise Hay, Don Miguel Ruiz. I mean all the great original. I'll Say, you know, kind of like spiritual folks. And she and I ended up starting a business together after I got married to Vivian and we moved to San Diego. And there, you know, the whole thing just, wow. Evolved from there.

Thank you. Because I'm sitting in your home, this incredible studio you have here in your home, and Vivian's name is here on the wall, which is fantastic.

Yeah, she's my queen.

I think about the way that we all want to do less. Everybody wants to do less. I mean, look, I'm an entrepreneur. Like, I'm in the grind and the hustle all the time, but I also schedule in the non doing the being. It's interesting that you went with Tony Robbins, of all people, to Egypt, because he said most my.

It wasn't Tony.

Oh, it wasn't Tony.

It was not Tony. It was Wayne Dyer. Deepak Chopra.

Deepak Chopra, yeah. Yeah. So then. But what's interesting, though, but I got.

Introduced to him from Tony.

That was. You kind of got his resonance there in a way. So he said about you. This is Tony Robbins about you. He's brought me insights on how to reach people on the Internet are so valuable. This is a man you should deal with, take advantage of what he has to offer. That was actually old from your YouTube. Have things changed since then for you?

Well, so, wow, that's an interesting question. I'm trying to think how to. How to best frame this. So I'll give you again a couple little nuggets, and then I'll answer the question.

Yeah.

So after moving to San Diego, the first person I called was a guy named Chris Hendrickson, who is a guy who answered the phone when I called from an infomercial and ordered Tony Robbins Power Talk. Okay. Or Personal Power. Personal power. And the first person I called when I moved to San Diego was Chris Hendrickson, who is my account rep at Tony Robbins. His wife is Pam Hendrickson, who worked for Tony for almost 20 years and produced most of his products. So as we evolved and our relationship evolved, eventually one day Pam called me up and said, Tony really needs some help marketing online. Would you meet with him? I'm like, hell, yeah. I mean, no. Absolutely not.

Sure.

And what ended up happening is I helped set up his first home studio, his video studio, then introduced him to Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, Russell Brunson, Brendon Burchard. That later led to Marie Forleo and a whole bunch of other online marketers. Dean Jackson, Dean Graciosi. And that ended up evolving into a relationship he had with Joe Polish. I mean, A lot of online marketing pioneers, some of the originals, and we helped him with a product launch, helped create a product called Money Masters, which was the equivalent of Power Talk, but with online marketers. In a lot of ways, I would say Tony was the guy who legitimized that online marketing space. But if you fast forward about 15 years after, for me building and selling a number of businesses, I reached a point where I hated everything. Just felt wrong and hates the wrong word.

I felt you felt misaligned in a way.

Completely misaligned. And I had realized later on, the way I describe it is my soul hurt. And I had outgrown who I was, what I did, why I did it, who I did it for, and went on another journey. And that was just about two years ago.

What kind of journey did you go on?

Well, I will tell you that, like, I had no excuse to feel the way I felt. And I was depressed, I had anxiety, I felt like I was a failure. I mean, stuff that wasn't real, right. But my body felt that way, my brain felt that way. I didn't want to get out of bed and I felt trapped because, you know, the world that I lived in, which was marketing and events and just go, go, go, go, go. And social media was the source of.

I mean, it seemed like it was about creation and production. The whole thing.

It was doing, doing, doing. And my soul hurt. I had outgrown everything. But it was like, this is what I know, right? I've been practicing marketing and doing this stuff for almost 30 years now.

How many people can relate to this? Like doing something for so long and one day waking up and being like, nope, I'm done. This isn't me anymore.

Yeah. So I had to escape. And there wasn't. I didn't think there was an elegant way to do that. But fortunately with, I reached out for support and help. My amazing wife, my son. But it got so bad. Like, I can tell you, I don't have the courage to kill myself, but I wanted a truck to run into me and just take me out. And again, I have no excuse, right. It was like. But something was wrong. I think to some degree it was hormonal. But you know, I, like, I, I wasn't drinking. I started working out like mad. I put my body first, but then really worked on becoming whole and present, focusing a hundred percent of my family energy, cleaning out and, and eliminating old traumas that were my driving force, which is a fear of not, not being enough, not having enough, running out in primitive stuff.

Yeah. All of us deal with trauma at some level. You mentioned this on your podcast with Dan Sullivan, which we'll link in the show notes. One of the coolest episodes I've ever heard. And it blew me away because this kind of pendulum of trauma that we all have, sometimes the trauma swings really hard at certain points in our life. I've dealt with this too. I'm 39. I've done a lot of trauma work. But one thing you mentioned about trauma is that we all have it. It's epigenetics. It's from other people. It's maybe self imposed, but identifying which one it's from, does that even matter or does really just the work digging out the trauma, the one that transcends us?

Well, I think the. At the end of the day, what I've. I believe to be true is, you know, we really are a union of flesh and spirit. Right. We're spirits in the material world. I happen to believe that there's a high probability where like alien consciousness inhabiting your house.

Yeah.

An intelligent doggy for a period of time, 85 years. That is a sacred. You know, we are in fact resembling our creator. We are constantly evolving and the universe is forcing evolution all the time. I also believe that on a continuum, on a time basis, we exist as. Because we get to inhabit flesh for 85 years or however long we last.

It's going to be 120. With the longevity stuff that's out there.

Yeah. And it doesn't. And all that is just an illusion. Okay. All this trauma, it's a matter of identifying and realizing. This is one thing I really learned when I had cancer, for example, I became a non judgmental obstacle observer of my flesh. Okay. I got to exist outside and look at this body, but know my body wasn't me. And only feel compassion, empathy, and love for the flesh. And also know that I was a timeless being that was given the gift of experiencing time, sexuality, polarity, the ability to create and love and. And know that and have an identity, an ego. Okay. But once we're released from our flesh being and we go back, I think souls are recycled. You know, it's. It just makes logical sense. If the universe is a fractal upon itself and our bodies are, you know, these. This is a collection of matter and energy that's bound together. It just makes sense that our souls would be too. They are eternal.

Mike, how much of the epigenetic component can you honestly say was yours or was this something where this was from other people that the trauma clearing was Connected to.

Yeah. So I think one of the things, you know, you and I have talked about this a little bit. We're self identified aliens. And the people we, we are aligned to, we resonate with. Right. I think it would again make logical sense that I think to, to answer your question, we take on if you're a sensitive, which would mean you're you, you recognize yourself. We're all sensitive, all humans are. But we shut it off to turn off trauma and fear and whatever else that we prevent. When you're a slave to your trauma, that's when it has control over you. And the secret to letting go, which is a great book by the way, that Richard Dawkins book. Yeah. Is to recognize the emotion and know it is not you. It is something that you allow to pass through, through you. And if it, you allow the meat hooks to grip, that's when this stuff accumulates. And you've got traumas which are just repurposed, circular. They're like cyclones of fixed emotion that's wedged in you. It's like getting hooked with a fish hook in your flesh and it doesn't get out until you learn to clip it or just observe and let it pass through you. Right. So is it going to hook you or not?

Yeah. The epigenetic component I think is real because I think about my grandfather and my mom's side, both of them island and poverty consciousness. My grandma used to put me mayonnaise and a little tiny beaker. The smallest Tupperware you could ever imagine. Yet she had a million dollars in the bank.

Totally.

So we all go through these almost like complete and utter negative paradoxes in our lives. And I think about how many people are watching and listening that like are in a current position in life where they know it's not theirs. But how do they actually develop like the gut strength, the heart strength to move through it? Because look, people have responsibilities, man. You have a family.

Yeah.

For people that have those external responsibilities, what's the gut check moment for them? How do they move forward in that space?

I think the real secret is it's mastery of the union of the flesh. Meaning the first step is you've got to exercise. Because that is the best way to create a union between your flesh and your spirit and push it and sweat it out and also get your biome functioning. Because the other part of this is as we are just collections of a lot of trillions of cells and little intelligent particles and bacteria, all of which are eating stuff and feeding the flesh body. We know so much more about the biome now, but yet so little. And I have a friend who's working with a research organization now studying the biome of the ocean, the biome of the earth and the biome of the body and the relationship between all of it. So again, we are all an organism. Okay. There is no separation from this energetically or physically. So getting back to the DNA and the epigenetics, what we know about DNA now is that trauma is in fact passed on multi generationally through DNA. It makes sense. You know, if you're a monkey scared of a tiger and you climb up a tree, that terror, that fear should be encoded. It's going to help you survive.

Yeah.

Unfortunately our emotions have not been, we haven't educated ourselves as human beings about our emotions to the extent that we have science and technology right now. And it takes a long time to train the animal body, the spirit body, right, and, and connect those two. It's just, you know, unified holistic, psychological and emotional education is weak. And the stuff right now that is taught in schools, for example, stem, for example, it's like our educational systems, all of our institutions are broken, obsolete.

They're all, they're a good two decades behind on everything, which is why government's obsolete.

Apart education, medical system, transportation, our economic system, everything we used to trust and behold and were beholden to, is broken now. It's not evolving fast enough. And so we are entering a moment. I, the way I describe it is we are human beings and we have an opportunity right now to evolve into super beings. And that is the next state in human evolution.

Do you want to work with and support super beings that want to support other super beings?

Yeah, that's why I chose. Now that I, I've gone through the latest evolution, I'm working, I'm writing two books simultaneously about super beingness. And as I've been using that word, it's been attracting people who are like, yeah, that's what I want. You know, what's the sense, this feeling of again outgrowing who you are? I think it's a sign of the times and it's something we all go through. There was an amazingly interesting article just published in Atlantic on the topic. I have it here somewhere. Here it is. It's called soon, you, Professional decline is coming much Sooner than you think by a guy named Arthur Brooks. Good friend of mine just sent it to me and it's about how our, our brains decline in terms of our neuroplasticity and our ability to evolve over time. And how instead of fearing it and hating it, to embrace it, because you're just evolving into a different state. But those who are miserable, who get suicidal, are gripping onto the way things were. And you know, there's something. It's normal to evolve and it's normal to accept this, but it's hard.

Well, a learning curve is a bitch. I mean, let's be honest, like 1% or less of our brains, of our hominid brains have grown past the swerve of human evolution and technological evolution. I think like five years ago, Moore's Law just went like a hockey stick. It's even before five years ago. So we're all trying to make sense of this rapid pace of change. And actually, you know what's interesting? I was, I was reading Sandra Biskind's book called Code Breaker.

Okay.

Heard of her. And you brought up something where we're in this new phase where your old occupation, your old identity, your old anything is moving away faster. It's almost like sand flowing through an hourglass. And she talked about we're in this fourth phase as well, where we're understanding that we're in this age of spirituality and a different dimension. How would you describe that? Like, what is spirituality in that dimension even mean for you as an alien who works with super beans?

Well, the way I, I pose it is again, if you look at this on a meta level, and also you think about on a quantum level, what I think science is proving and our spiritual intuition has told us forever, anyone who goes through multiple reinventions or spiritual incarnations is that right now, I look at this moment in human history where we are, we have an extremely low frequency government and government leaders. Okay. One in particular. And I think the United States of America got exactly who and what it deserved with the current president through complacency, ignorance, stupidity. And he's a spiritual embodiment and reflection of low frequency ism.

Yeah.

And it's also emblematic or a spiritual representative of the fear in us as a body. And also the slower to evolve spiritually, gripping onto an old paradigm that no longer serves humanity.

Was that paradigm, the fear paradigm. What is that paradigm they're gripping to?

I think this fear, anger, hatred, bullyism. You know, you look at what social media at its worst represents, okay. Which is in general a giant toilet.

I hope this a narcissistic toilet.

It's, it's the worst of the worst. I'm, I'm. What I'm about to say could be misinterpreted. I don't believe everyone has a right to, to vote. Meaning it should be earned, especially online. I think if you have bad behavior, your ability to vote should be taken away from you. You know, people who are ignorant and stupid and, and, and perpetuate ignorance upon themselves or others. Yeah, I don't, I, they don't. I don't. I'm not interested in their opinions at.

All because of the frequency they bring.

The low frequency. Right. And, and, and again, this doesn't come from an elitist point of view. It's sort of like, you know, you go in San Francisco, for example, is filled with a behavior. There's poop and pee and pot and hypodermic needles all over the city.

Crazy.

It's filthy, it's disgusting.

I was just there, I was like, what is going on? This is one of the coolest things.

And this is what happens when those who. And look, I believe we have a responsibility to all of humanity, okay. My wife and I, we've been working, we do an enormous amount of, of work, meaning, you know, she's had a Foundation for 13 years. We've raised a lot of money for those who have nothing. Okay. I believe we have a responsibility and there is a point at which you've got to clean up the filth when you become a menace to yourself and society. Yeah, I don't know. You could go down the. This isn't, isn't particularly useful. It is a deep rabbit hole. But the next question, getting back the.

Paradigm, these people, is it a fear paradigm? Is it. What kind of a paradigm is it?

I. Here's the way I liken it. I told Dan about this not long ago. If you imagine for a moment you've got low frequency orc energy, if you look at Lord of the Rings, for.

Example, I fell asleep, man. Don't judge me.

Okay? Now it's no problem at all.

I'm sure people watching have seen it.

Anyone knows when you're around someone who's a low frequency angry person who's just like. And then you meet like fairy energy, high frequency, ultra high frequency. You're like, oh, how refreshing, how lovely. Oh, you can just smell. You know, everything about them is, is, is uplifting. I think humanity has an opportunity. In fact, I'm always a perpetual optimist that this old low frequency energy that we are living in right now is, you know, we'll always have bad stuff around us. It's just the nature of existing in this plane. But I also have an enormous amount of belief that we are accelerating and we are evolving and. And we have more opportunities now than ever before to not only raise our consciousness, our energy, and do great things with enormous leverage. And I don't think there's anything to fear of the future, despite the fact that again, all of our institutions are suddenly obsolete. There's a great opportunity. Like my son, who's 16 of an enormous amount of faith and hope in that generation who sees the disturbances and will not stand for it.

Yeah.

Now I also fear a generation that's their augmented reality of living inside their phone is a massive danger.

Chips covering their eyes. And I've even heard Gary Vaynerchuk say people are not wanting to come out. They just want to stay kind of locked in that world. Almost like black mirror with the chip on the forehead. So that that is a possible reality. Yet I love putting my attention. I'm like you. I want to put my attention on the high frequency because that's what drives me in life. That's what makes me feel like I want to do whatever the hell it is I'm doing. It's almost like we have a frequency garden and we're tending to the garden.

That's what it is.

How do you tend to your garden, man? Like, how do you stay? I mean, you're in a world where there's a lot of distraction, there's a lot of people that want your time, your energy, your mojo. Like, what's the health look like for you tending to the frequency garden?

Yeah. Well, here's what I did. I Part of the separation from the the before was I created a very, very intentional plan and I got rid of everything in between. So everything's a hell yeah or a hell no. So now I have free and ultra high end. So from a lifestyle perspective, over the time of. During this cleanse, I will say the spiritual and physical cleanse. I quit drinking alcohol for eight months and got myself in the best physical shape of my life and focused on primary relationships, meaning my marriage, my relationship with my son, immediate family, closest friends. I basically cut myself off from almost everyone. I shut off all social media. I had some people monitoring it and doing stuff for me, but I wasn't there. So got rid of all, all that noise, turned off all forms of media that I did not find uplifting and wasted no time and spent it instead in nature and in my body. So as I would. And I consider that a spiritual exercise. Spent a lot of time in the ocean, so touching the earth with my feet in my hands. So I didn't wear shoes, for example. And I worked out really hard a couple times a day. So I made that prayer for all practical purposes and I the way I imagined it is with every step. So I'd run out in the ocean every day, a couple times a day, the resistance of the waves. And I imagined that being a prayer, giving glory to God. And I said, this is my purpose. I am here to elevate and give glory to the Creator. And then I would extend that into the rest of my life. And I'd ask myself, is this giving glory? Is this elevating? And then instead of going broad and wide, which I had trained myself to do for so many years and helped other people do, I decided to go narrow and deep. So I started working only with a few high level clients who I felt deep, energetic connection with.

When you made that shift, was there fear of finance? Like, oh my God, did a monkey mind pop up that was like, oh my God, I'm only going to work with high caliber people. What about the medium tier?

What about, what about, what about, about. What about.

Oh yeah, how did you deal with the monkey mind?

I learned to observe it and not let it control me. So historically, someone said something years ago that I hated and I and I loved at the same time. They said something along the lines of, Mike never met a dollar he didn't like and they meant it in a positive way. Meaning Mike is really good at creating marketing plans that attract a lot of people, generate money, and now here's the truth, my truth, anyway, and this is due to my own limitations and my own ego, but I'm not good at hiring people, managing people, and I don't like doing either, either of them. I'm much more of an isolationist soloist. But having teams were necessary and they always spun out of control because I was such a hideous manager.

That's great self awareness.

And at the time, and I knew it and it just. But it was always a battle and, and I've chosen and managed badly many, many, many times. And it's cost me literally out of pocket millions and millions and millions of dollars. Not that the money is important, but again, energetically, it was a gigantic leak. Think of it like that. Yep, right. And with that, the emotional leak that went along with the energetic leak and the financial leak, it was all one in the same. So what I did is I cut everything down to the berries, bare bones, sold my studio, sold everything, the business, and I gave my team time. I said, this is what I'm doing. I'm going to wind everything down. I kept my Executive assistant and one support person. Otherwise everyone's contract from, you know, at time, my teams could expand to be 50 people at times. And with that I bought so much time and also got really focused, saved like crazy. And you know, my wife and I have saved over time so I didn't have to work for a chunk of time, but I just set up really specific goals that were attainable anytime I felt. Here's what I really did is I just would stop and not think and feel anytime an opportunity came along. And if it felt like it was pecking at me, I just said it has to be a no. And I just stopped doing stuff. And instead I started being all the time, which meant I would show up, give myself energetically and if it felt like it was going to nag or peck, I just stopped and. And I didn't do it.

This is so powerful and it can bring up such a fear response in people because I think all of us in our gut, like we want to be in the being, but yet current responsibilities in monkey mind, the terror we have to do. We have to do.

Yeah. So it is, it is terrifying.

It's terrifying.

But you have to practice feeling it and realizing, here's the way I would frame it when I talk to other people because I've, you know, a lot of people said, teach me how to do this, teach me how to be. Yeah, tell me in my business. And, and the first thing is learning to observe. I mean there's all kinds of little things, but I'd ask them the simple question, when's the last time you genuinely went hungry and you were. And you went without.

For most people, it'd be a long time. I just did a two day fast.

Yeah, yeah. That was by choice. I'm talking about not by choice.

Right, not by choice.

Literally had not nothing.

I would say that's a fraction of a percent of people.

Totally.

Yeah.

That's like nothing bad is going to happen. And more than likely the last time that happened, it may have left in a huge impression a lot of terror again. I had stacks, decades of horrible financial things of like literally, where in the hell is payroll going to come from? Holy shit. I'm tapping into the family jewel, you know, the family nest egg and the jewels. And I got so stuck in the future thinking, holy, what's going to happen three months from now, six months from now, a month from now, a week from now? Whatever the timeline is, we all have a timeline of where a fear kicks in. Okay. And it could be five minutes from now. Five days, five weeks, five years, whatever it is. But this is why you hear about multi billionaires who are absolutely miserable. It's because they live in the terror of yesterday. They live in the trauma of yesterday instead of resetting and realizing that that terror, that trauma served you. It helped you become who you are and all of your successes, and to acknowledge that dear soul and that trauma and thank it for giving you who you've become and also welcoming yourself to the first day of the rest of your life, the first moment, the first minute of the rest of your day, right now. And then that is irrelevant. That attachment no longer serves who you wish to become and who you wish to serve.

It's as if you're becoming friends with the trauma. There's a friendship instead of an anger or resentment.

Interesting. I would think more of it as an acknowledgement. I don't want to be friends with my trauma. EFF did what it did. I have no need or desire to ever be attached to it or revisit it.

Well, because you said it in some way, that it served you in the past, it doesn't serve us now.

Yeah, yeah, sure, I let it go, but I don't want to be friends with it. I mean, I don't want to be friends with a repeat sex offender, for example.

Yeah, that's true.

There's a historical precedent for that behavior. I have no need for it. So then I'm happy to donate to a charity that serves that cause.

All right, then. Are we actually just living in a video game, possibly holographic simulation, where these traumas and these things come up? Even the language that you and I have used today, even just me coming to your home and speaking to people through a microphone that goes to outer space and down back to the Earth. Where exactly are we? What are we doing here? What is this, man? So what's this all about?

I am. I'm working on a TED Talk right now on this specific thing, and I don't know if I can articulate what's going on inside my brain. So I'm going to do a much better job with that in about two weeks after I finished writing the speech. But, you know, Elon Musk gets asked this question all the time, like Joe Rogan does in his podcast. There's always a conversation about it, and also physicists. So here's what I would entertain as a mental exercise. Okay? So it doesn't mean it needs to be true. It doesn't mean I necessarily believe it, but it's fun. Mental masturbation yeah. Okay. Which is, let's pretend that everything is happening simultaneously forever, all at the same time. Every infinite possibility that could occur. Okay? So if you imagine from this moment you could get up and run away, you could get up and do something horrible. You could get up and whatever, whatever. All those possibilities. If you believe in such a thing as free will. And again, imagine that there is no beginning, there is no end. I believe that the universe is in fact eternal. There's, it's just always been. And I do believe in a universal consciousness, let's call it God. Okay. And I also love the notion that. And man was created in God's image. So we have a godlike identity. Identity and an image. And the nature of God, the nature of man and woman is to constantly evolve, to love, to procreate, to experience an identity again. To give glory to God, to give glory to your creator is to become self realized.

Do you feel like you're an individuated fractal of God or universe itself experiencing itself through you?

Precisely. And so this notion of the universe or this being a fractal or being a hologram, it's like, of course this is a simulation. Look, you've got five senses, it's all you have. Now the question is, is this a man made creation? And what I would argue is we are created in God's image. I believe we have an, our God within us. Okay. We are in fact creators. That is what the experience of flesh is about. To become fully realized is to realize we are divine. We are a divine fragment or a shard that happens to have an identity. Not all identities as the creator does. And so whether or not this is a man made. So I think what we're on the road to do right now, if you look at it on a spectrum, there's a bunch of stuff online about orangutans who are fishing and using spears and a bunch of monkeys who are starting to use tools. They're just observing some new behaviors where they've learned from man or they learn amongst themselves, but it's advancing within lifetimes right now. I think the nature of all of the animal kingdom is to continue to evolve. Okay. And I think again, whether or not God creator created man all at once, Adam and Eve. Boop. Here you go. Or you know, beings evolved into man. I think that's an irrelevant conversation, not important, not interesting, completely unimportant. What I do believe is that what man is doing right now is we're creating robots. We're, we're going to get to the point where it's Blade Runner. It's going to be. We're going to be creating men and women and new beings just as we are resurrecting dinosaurs. We're creating universes within computers. And I just met with a gentleman who's developed an artificial retina last week. Okay. The retina can see. So in other words, you'll have a chip embedded in an eye that doesn't work anymore to replace the rods and cones. It provides 2015 vision. Wow. Okay. That's, like, profound. It's a breakthrough. Better than our eyes with now. There's. There's drawbacks because you have to wear goggles. Does it have to be charged? Not at all. I think it's natural and normal.

Yeah.

There's nothing to fear because we are divine now at this moment in history, we've got abusers, we have bullies amongst us. But I think as a society, you know, one of the things that social media is conditioning us is like being a total a hole online. There are going to be tools that are going to stop that behavior. You will be banished from having a voice when blockchain occurs. Okay. And let's just pretend for a moment that blockchain is actually representative of stuff we manufacture and make as human beings. Right.

Okay.

We are, in fact, recreating nature as mini gods. And it's holy work. It's divine. It's divine work. We're giving glory to God. That's the way I see it. So it makes sense that in a short period of time, we're going to have a little filter and all of our behaviors might be running through a blockchain. We'll be like, oh, my God, that's scary. Yep. It's going to be scary for a little while because some jerks are going to abuse it. It always happens. But once it kind of figures itself out and it normalizes itself, it's going to be okay. It's going to be as normal as using email or what faxes were not that long ago, or mail. You know, people probably thought books were the devil. Not that long. Okay. All technology is going to look like the devil. So we're going to have to evolve past our fear and past the abusers abusing the tools. But as it normalizes, what I believe is going to happen. And we've seen this. And was it black mirror before, where you can decide to just shut someone off? Okay, so some. Someone who's a big a hole. Let's just say you turn on the Trump filter, nothing associated with that thing will show up. You can't. You won't hear it, you won't see it. It will simply not exist.

The only challenge is we're all sharing the same reality.

Yeah, of course.

How do we deal with that? When you delete someone.

Yeah, and. And that's an interesting question. Right. The truth is you can choose through force of mind and discipline. I mean, you could choose to leave your phone behind, and if you had the discipline and foresight to invest in some property or land and spend 10 or 20 years working hard to cut yourself off and live on Golden Pond. Okay. Now someone will say, well, there aren't any of those. There's plenty of space. Okay. There's lots of ways to isolate yourself if you choose to have the discipline.

Yes.

Okay. So whose lie, whose reality do you decide to buy into through ignorance or through choice and decision? And what I would argue is you have the ability to filter out anything through strength and will and discipline at any time and choose only to filter and see that which is pure and divine and whole.

That just made me take a deep breath, man, because it hit me in such a truthful part of my body. I think about breathwork. You mentioned breath work when you were there in the pyramid with the resonance. You passed out. I feel like breath work, Plant medicine, altered states of consciousness. A lot of people in our circles are heavily diving into this. There's a mastermind coming up at Rhythmia this year about it. These tools, these ancient tools that were brought here by the same divinity that created you and I. I feel like we're all kind of waking up to the ancient times, to the ancient healings. Dave's on the show talking about bacteria in our bodies actually controlling everything.

Yeah. So, yeah, mycelium. Look at pulse stomach here with the.

Ancient tools that we're all waking up to right now. And to question what are we going to do with that, to make this reality a place of love, a place of connection.

So here's what I believe is happening, which is part of the acceleration towards super beingness. So there are an amazing number of physicists who have crossed over the spiritual realm, and let's just face it, those who have done plant medicine, so whether it's ayahuasca or the immense amount of work in psilocybin, which right now psilocybin is going to be legalized for therapeutic purposes and uses. And I happen to believe, like people argue, all the positive effects of marijuana. I happen to think that right now. So I can't do this Stuff. Personally, I'm instantly paranoid. I go to hell. I become everyone at once forever in a deep, rotten, paranoid state, and I fall outside of time. It sucks for me, okay? I'm just not worried.

This is not your plan.

Now what. In all the folks that I know, and there's a lot of very famous people that you and I know in common who are regular users of plant medicine, here's what it does. It removes the membrane and filters of reality. And so right now, in a normal state, when what I'll call normal. So that's a broad box. So if you're psychotic or experiencing psychosis, the filters that might get lifted with plant medicine just aren't there for psychotic people. They're literally seeing little green men. Yeah. I think it's entirely possible that there are ghosts and goblins and little fairies floating around us all the time. And when your filters are lifted and you can see them, they can experience you as well. It just wouldn't. It just make sense that we couldn't see, feel, experience a lot of stuff not that long ago? And again, our measurement tools are spanning all the time. Stuff that was once magic, so.

And so is consciousness.

Precisely. So there are layers. The. The mystics before us. I. We were in Mexico in Miguel, San Miguel de Allende not long ago, and we went to some of the Mayan temples, and we were there with an archaeologist, anthropologist who had been studying the ancients going back a couple thousand years. And there are Mayan derivatives, I believe. Okay. I can't remember the exact history, but here's what he said right on the grounds we were at. They had measured 27 different plants that were medicinal and or hallucinogenic in nature. And the natives would spend the priests. They began their journey of becoming priests four generations prior. So they were literally bred to be priests. What they were fed the medicines they were given and to increase their sensitivity. Okay, so they had the ability to experience no time. They had the experience to cross the chasm. Where does creativity come from? Okay, look at Nintendo. Okay? Mario the mushroom in Mario was a psilocybin mushroom. Okay.

Yes, yes.

And I mean, there was a period of time when Steve Jobs said he'd never trust anyone who hadn't done acid.

And I've heard that in. In Fortune 50 companies, they take people out to Burning man and they'll do some sessions with them, journeys, see if they can actually.

You're a Google exec. Exec. You're going to go to the fire with us? Yeah, yeah. And all the work with stealing Fire all the plant medicine books. And I've had a lot of deep conversations with many of the authors. Yeah. And also, again, I'd say high visibility, very famous people who you'd know never think would be doing this deep work. And I just believe that as spiritual beings, plant medicine enables you to fall outside of this reality, this linear reality, this consciousness, this time frame, and see the future, experience the future and potentially maybe you can swap place. Right. I mean, there. What if again, there are an infinite number of possibilities, planes simultaneously happening forever all at the same time? Okay. It just makes sense. You could ping pong between them.

This is the theory behind Interstellar the movie, and also Matrix Reloaded the movie where he sees the architect. And there's unlimited timelines of exact moments in unlimited fractals.

These are not uncommon conversations.

It's almost like we've been here before, Mike. All of us have been here before. And there's. There's a sense of knowing within us that we have been here before.

Right.

And we're just not living up to our potential and how just truly divine and amazing and powerful that we really are. And I think the thing that blocks us all is different degrees of fear.

I would agree. And you know another way to separate this is. I choose the flesh. This is beautiful because to me, I would. I don't want to be God. Okay. I don't want to experience no time. I don't want to experience everything all at once. You know, the identity. Yeah, precisely.

Sounds lonely.

I can't remember who it was. I was reading a book not long ago and that was his theory of God was that, you know, God experiences, knows everything, it's his consciousness and does not know where he or it came from. Okay. I can't remember which book it was. I'm tearing through about a dozen books right now, so. But yeah, fascinating talk.

So I really enjoyed this with me. And it's around this out. You know, I know you like to go really tactical.

Sure.

If there was one tactical thing that people listening, feeling, this nuanced exploration of the cave where you came from, the building you were vibrating. Yeah, we know about breath work as a tool. Yes, we've touched on plant medicine. But if you were to give something tactical for somebody who is in that head space of, ah, I'm a victim to my monkey mind. And I am looking for specific tools to be rather than to do. Is it the breath work? Is it something else? Like, what does your day look like now since you've gone through the transformation?

Well, there is no, transformation. It's what, you know, chop wood, carry.

Water right after transformation. Yeah.

You just can do it. Yeah. That's what it is. Here's one of the things I do.

Yeah. I'm.

I actually was sloppy today. I make the bed every single day for my wife as a gift. Okay.

We put this in our M21 guide for wellness Force. It's the first thing we have people do.

Make your damn bed.

Hell, yeah. And then why is that so important for you?

Well, I do it because it makes my wife happy. So. And I don't like cleaning up. It's not my nature. But I want her to know how special she is and how much I value her divinity. And also for her, she feels safe. So as a male that desires polarity in my relationship because it's what makes us attractive to each other.

Yeah.

Yeah. I know that her primary animal desire is to feel safe. So everything I do now, whether it's the tones and volume coming out of my voice, how I show up, how I move towards her, how I hold her, and how I treat our sacred environment, I spend my time living in the spiritual realm while I am with her and not in the physical. In other words, you and I are experiencing each other through sight and sound, and, you know, we shook hands through touch in this. I'm spending my time living in the spirit spiritual world, always aware of it and how energetically, my emotions that become energetic objects affect her and how my presence affects her and my son and those around me. So I think granularizing my attention to being present is what I'm focusing right now on in this. In this current state. And again, thinking through that, how do I give glory to my creator by embracing the divine and divinity?

And I want to pause here because I think people watching, listening, are feeling like what Mike said might be too simple. Oh, what do you mean, granular presence? What do you mean?

Just make your bed.

Like, sometimes these things can seem so almost like mundane or beginner, but yet the question remains, like, are people actually doing them? Because I think everybody's hungry for every single day.

Yeah.

And this is what we explore in the show, Mike, is this physical and emotional intelligence. Like, how do we live our life? Well, which is what's right behind you discovering this intelligence. And you've dropped some serious intelligence on us today. So thank you, man. Thank you for going through all these thresholds, being this beacon of high frequency for all of us. And that's what drew me to you, this energetic component. So thank you, and please answer this question for me at this intersection of physical and emotional intelligence, the discovering process which we're in, how do you define wellness? So in the middle of the physical and the emotional and the spiritual, what does wellness mean to Mike Koenigs?

I think it's a holistic integration of. Body, spirit, relationship. Conscious, it's staying conscious, remaining conscious. I think when I had cancer, for example, it was because I felt fell out of consciousness, and I became a slave to my emotions, my hatred, my anger, my unconsciousness. And that disease was basically bad energy that pooled into tumors and, you know, just about killed the host. And so the more time you're spending in a state of love and consciousness and giving in divinity, the purer you are. And. And the universe rewards that state of gratitude. Especially when you learn to love yourself so much that you ask for what you desire and what you deserve, because you have exactly what you deserve right now. All the time. Time.

I just got the biggest chill. I had a psych K session yesterday. That was three hours. And the exact statement you said was in my session yesterday. How's that for high frequency? Thank you for coming on the show, man. I appreciate it.

My pleasure.

All right. This was fun.

Okay.

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