MANNA Vitality: Freedom From Genetic Prison

I see mana as a catalyst for genetic liberation. There's 118 different elements on the periodic table, and within that sachet, we have all of those 118 elements. So if you think of it as like keys on a piano, we can literally play the best song as a biological expression. If we have access to all of those keys, if we only have access to, say, 20 keys, then there's going to be areas of our expression that's compromised. And current studies show that those elements or atomic structures are no longer in our food because they're no longer in our soil. So we're giving the body the building blocks of organic food. It's allowing the body's functions to work as they should again, because they've got access to all of those nutrients. So the experience of that is really like more energy, more strength, more endurance. It's up regulating testosterone, collagen, growth hormone. And testosterone is not just important for men, and it's not just important for the physical. It's really important for the mind.

We're here.

Brad David, all the way from Australia. Thank you for being here. Thank you guys for coming.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you for having us.

Josh, this is a treat, man. Like, this is the first, I believe, double header from so far away in the world. And. And we have so much to talk about. This gem that I now hold in my hand, you guys, this is called mana. We're gonna do it right now. We already did a little ball of the straight shilajit, but would you guys join me? Okay, let's do it. These are the sachets. This is what we're talking about today, you guys. And we're going to get deep into the story of this. But before we do anything at all, let's take the actual product so people can feel the vibes, what we're experiencing. So you crack it. I like to just go right to it. Okay. Salt of the earth disclaimer for everyone.

You don't have to do it that way.

You can do it in the water, man. I was thinking about this last night. Woke up at 4am today just excited. Also, my son kept me up. But, hey, I embraced the magic. Like. So at 4am, I'm sitting in the sauna. I'm thinking about the lowest place that we could ever go is the bottom of the ocean floor. The highest place we could go is. Is to the top of a mountain. That's where this originated from. And it's no surprise that you guys traveled across the world to be here in Austin. So let's start with David. David. We've gotten to know each other through mutual friend. It's been so cool to get to know you guys. And I was taking the product for now. It's been almost a month. I think that I've been taking the product and it is literally, I think, going to replace coffee if we give it enough amplification. In this world, you know, so many people are addicted to caffeine. And let's start the conversation right here. You founded the company, the co founders of the company. You have traveled the world at the highest mountains and you've gone down into the lowest points of the ocean. Like this, to me, feels like the hero's journey, like a huge wing of the hero's journey. So maybe give us not the whole thing, but a little bit of the hero's journey into how you actually co founded Mana, which, by the way, the biblical orientation of Mana is pretty cool. We're going to talk about that too. So let's start there, man. Give us just the brief hero's journey of. Of how this came to be what it is.

Got it. Yeah. So in 2014, the journey really started by going to Egypt for the first time, which is a spontaneous trip. We ended up traveling over there. It was 11:11, and met a gentleman who is the guardian of the Sphinx. And he gave me three recipes of how to produce something that the Egyptians called mufkat. So mufkat is the Egyptian name for mana. Mana is a Hebrew word.

Yeah.

And so I didn't know what the. I didn't know what mufkat was, didn't know what the recipe was about. I just threw it in my bag, continued on the journey, ended up spending a lot of time with this gentleman. His name was Goda G O D A. But by the time I got back to my place at Byron Bay, within a month, I'd turned the place into a laboratory and had produced the moofcat in three different ways that were written on this document. And then I didn't do too much with it. I just started sharing it with people in my network and they started having pretty profound experiences. So I realized pretty quickly I needed to learn more about this substance and what I was playing around with. So that sent me on a journey to actually to Oregon, to a place called Baker City, where there was a gentleman called Barry Carter, and he was renowned as the librarian for Ormus or Mana or Wolfcat on the planet. So he literally had like 30 years of collected documentation and different material on the Substance that I stayed at his house for a week, and at the end of that week, he gave me 1.4 terabytes of information, videos, presentations on what we call mana. So we started a small business back then, kind of just selling it. And. And because we were on a deep spiritual journey by that point, we were traveling a lot and it was difficult to run a business plus do the journey work that was just spontaneously coming through us because I quit my job in 2014 as well.

What was your background before 2014?

Yeah, so it was medical. So I was working in medical device world in sales for an American company called Stryker.

So you saw what worked and definitely what didn't.

Correct.

When it comes to healing the body.

Correct.

Yeah, yeah.

And it was more to the point I was unhappy in that job. If I felt locked in, I felt like I wasn't achieving my full potential. So the first thing I did when I stopped work was actually drive out to Uluru, which is the solar plexus chakra on the planet out in the middle of Australia. Australia and the desert. Spent a month there. Then I was kind of guided to Egypt and then got into the mana. And then, yeah, we let go of that at the time and then just spontaneously ended up back at the Dead Sea in Israel. So from Jerusalem. So when you talk about the bottom of the ocean, it's actually the Dead Sea is where we get our ocean plasma from. So that's the lowest place on the Earth, literally. And then was introduced to. To the mana. I actually spent 88 nights at the Dead Sea, which was probably the most profound experience of my life. And then, yeah, to. To. To cut a long story short, ended up journeying through the Himalayas and a whole bunch of other incredible places on the planet where we came across all of these mystical kind of substances that were known as the Philosopher's Stone or the Fountain of Youth. And at the end of that journey, there was really two that stood out, and they were Mana, or Ormus and Shilajit. And the reason they stood out were. Were a couple of key things that we can get into.

Yeah. Science. Oh, my God. I was. I was. It's almost sounds like a. Like an Indiana Jones movie or something, you know, where. Where he's going and getting the treasure and he's having to jump over things like, this is for. For me, when I hear you speak about this, it feels. Feels like a true adventure because you've had to face like, is this going to work out? Should we actually do this? How is my, you know, friend who I've known for 20 plus years going to plug into this. How are we going to create this together? Like there's a rich story there when you look back and maybe Brad, you can talk about this too. Like whatever feels good when you look back. Was there a moment in creating this product? And this is for all people that want to create anything that are with us. Right. Because to create something you will meet you your own inner blockages and you will meet the blockages that God higher intelligence creator is trying to put in front of you to teach you something awesome. It may not feel like it in the moment, but was there one story or is there something in the process of this that truly felt like you were kind of living in a movie?

Yeah, there is, there's a lot of, there's a lot of moments through that whole process and we're laughing because it's.

Like 10 plus years.

Yeah, yeah, totally. There was one moment when we're in Tasmania and, and I guess for us the elements are such a great teacher for us as well. So when we're in the elements that's usually when we're in our clearest. So we're in Tasmania. I think it was like a 15k hike from the most southern point of Tasmania And I was 15 kilometers. Yeah. And I was in, I was in bad shape because I just had a surfing accident the week, a week before we flew out to Tasmania. I nearly drowned. So I got stuck under a rock. Short story. Yeah, I got stuck under a rock and I was badly cut up and I had a busted heel. So we're walking and I was in that pain and that suffering like deep in the suffering of that walk and we're halfway through and we were to and fro whether to do the business or not and just have adventure and fun and stuff like that. But we just come to. I just had this, this hit and it was like I turned around to Dave, I said we've got to go for it man. And we've got to go for it. This is just like, this is just calling us so deeply and from a place that's not from an ego or for the mind. It was, it was in my heart because I was just in so much pain at the time. So there's a lot of key moments like that. Every time that we, that we put it down and walked away from it it'd sneak around and say, you sure? You sure you want to put us down? Yeah, there's so many beautiful moments like that. Like. Yeah, once, once this gets in you it hasn't left. And I've had profound experiences with the product just in. Yeah. Philosopher's stone and yeah. Reading a book like almost 72 hours and having the same sort of awakening through that, through that process as well as just consuming so much almost.

We're talking about Something that's like 3,000 years plus in the making. I know you guys, it's. For you guys, it's 10 years in the making.

Right.

To have mana come to the market. But I was looking at the, the biblical meaning the supernatural food God gave to the Israelites during their 40 year wandering in the desert. A bread like substance that fell from heaven and that tasted like honey. I mean that like it lights me up just saying that. I'm not a religious man, but I do believe that there is a creator. Otherwise we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't have been created.

Correct. Yeah, we believe the same thing.

So I think some people get, you know, the word God brings up a lot of stuff for people. But when I say God, I just mean however and why ever we' here.

Yeah, perfect.

And so for you gents, like whoever wants to chime in here, what was the biblical. The higher power connection to mana. And then of course we're going to get into the science because people are probably wondering like, why are they consuming this? What is this all about? But, but I love the story. Like for me, whenever I ingest something or whenever I even relationship, intimate relationship, friendships, like a. I like to try it on, I like to feel it with my hands and I want to know the story. Like, why do you do what you do? So with that passage from the biblical text and with your guys's spiritual journey to create this, like, it seems like there was a bunch of rivers connecting at the same time. Like, what was that for you?

Yeah, it's well articulated, I think for us and I'll speak for myself, but I know your journey is fairly similar. It's really like Brad touched on. It's the elements. So I was introduced to elements in a really beautiful way in reflection. Unbeknownst to me at the time. And what I mean by that was in 2011 I became an emissary for the Resonant Science foundation, which is a theoretical physicist called Nassim Harameen.

Yes.

And so he probably understands space as well as anybody else on the planet. So that element of space, the source of all life and all matter and the field which we can go into more as well, was kind of the first element and the second element was the sun. So still to this day, I say the sun was my greatest teacher, and sun gazing was the greatest shift in my life. So I was literally watching, looking straight into the sun for half an hour a day for about a year, depending on.

On the weather, upon first rising, upon.

First rising or last rising. So within the first half hour or last half hour. And where we live in Australia, we get about 300 sunny days a year. So it's very generous location for sungazing. So it was incredibly transformational. And I'd also learned through that period the structure of space and time, which is a Taurus or a vortex. So the next element was water. And I started seeking out vortexes because in water you can see them. Started building vortexes. So, and. And then the last element being minerals. And so I figured out everything's made from those elements. Light, water, and minerals. Doesn't matter whether it's us. The table here, absolutely everything is made from those three things. So that's what we have in the sachet, the light, water, and minerals in the most concentrated form we can. And that's why to take it straight out of the sachet is so intense because it's so concentrated, it's. It's on the verge of solidifying. So really we would put it into water or if people struggle with the. The taste, the earthy taste of it, it's. It's great in nut milk. But that's. I guess the catalyst for me was having those elements as teachers. And then the rest of the journey, to be honest, was almost just like a. A guidance from a higher power. Yeah, the.

The light, the water, the minerals, like, it's the most concentrated. So if people don't know where you get this pure Shilajit is 10,000ft or above.

Yes, totally. I mean, there's different. There's different aspects to it. You can get it from kind of 5,000ft. Okay, we get ours from above 16,000ft. Reason being, when we've tested all the different ones, when it comes from those higher altitudes, the nutritional concentration is very different to the lower altitude. So as an example, most Shilaji has between 7 and 21% fulvic acid, which is one of the most. One of the active ingredients. And ours has 88% because it's from those high altitudes. And the other. The. One of the risks with shilajit in the past is it can have heavy metals. So our product has no heavy metals as well. So I think there's a natural filtration process that takes place. And our chemical process that takes place when it gets up to those higher altitudes. The challenge is they're under snow for, you know, for 46, 48 weeks of the year. And so it's. It's not easy to get to, and it's an expensive process.

So. So it. This is concentrated plant matter that's been fed by the sun. So you're basically eating sunshine. You're eating, like, bites of concentrated sunshine. And you have to get it from. I'm sure you have, like, crazy logistical teams where you have people that go up there and harvest it, and then they got to bring it back in a certain way, and then you got to test it to make sure it's good. Like, this is not the average cpg. This is not like you're selling an energy drink. Like, the testing. And I'm sure the. The self testing that you have to do, everything has to be in integrity. Like, how do you maintain that? Because nature, you know, unfortunately, has been poisoned. Breaks my heart. Nature's been poisoned. Look what's going on with the trains in Ohio at this time. And. And so I'm sure just particulates in the air can get in there. Like, is there a way to purify the shilajit without losing its bioavailability?

Absolutely, yeah. So the way my brain works when I understood the power of shilajit, was I wanted to find the best shilajit on the planet. So I spent four years, maybe four and a half years going through that process and visiting a lot of different locations. And we get our shilajit now from Tibet, you know, near Mount Kalish, and also from Siberia. So those two locations are very high altitude, which gives it that high nutritional density and concentration. Uh, plus, we also lab test every batch on both sides. So from the supplier's side and also from our side. So I think a combination of going to the locations, doing the lab testing, and just working through all of the different options, we've come up with what we feel and know to be kind of the best combination that. That we can at this point.

So what do people tend to get wrong about the science of shilajit?

Yeah, I think it's just a misinterpretation of what the. What the actual product is. It was very well renowned 3,000 years ago. It's mentioned in a book called Mineralogy and the Canon of Medicine. So I think through the east, where it's still prescribed by medical doctors, it's really well known. But in the west, it's not so well known because it's expensive. The taste is very earthy. It's difficult to deal with. So people have just kind of. It hasn't exploded into our markets yet, but it's just starting to, because people are recognizing the benefits, especially with some of the challenges over the last few years. It really helps with a lot of that and just helps with the resilience and protection of the body as well. So it's incredible for rejuvenation, strength, endurance, performance, all of those things that allows the body to function at its optimal levels.

So how does mana support sex drive?

Yeah, well, it gets all of the bodily functions operating as they should do, whether it's male or female. So it lifts fertility, incredibly, it increases sperm count in men. And from a sexual prowess perspective, it's just amazing. Like, we know people that have taken the product and they've been walking along the beach and they've literally had a trail of the opposite sex, like, following them.

Different pheromones.

Exactly. It's putting out different pheromones.

And this is all from the shilajit.

Correct. You literally become like a sexual magnet.

Yeah. And this is not like, literally just some ploy to get you to take shilajit. There's proof. There's scientific proof.

Totally.

It's pretty amazing.

And Dr. Beth McDougall, who's our other founder, we were laughing about this with her the other day, and a couple of people going like, is this real? Is it actually a real thing that people put off pheromones? And she's like, absolutely, yeah. And shilaji will do it.

It's pretty cool that the name Mana is the lead. It's what you verbalize, because, you know, we're mostly water. So when I say something, my voice box teaches my cells that it's true. So when I say the word mana, it has a different energy to it, like the vibration of the word mana, even if I hadn't read it from religious text. But then, of course, when I read it from the religious text, I was like, oh, yeah, that's exactly what this is. You know, Carl Jung in my audience is going to be like, we've already heard this, Josh, but I'm going to say it again. One of the most famous things that was taught to me by my mentor, Paul Check, who was taught to him by Carl Jung, was, no tree can grow branches to heaven unless its roots touch hell. And I think about the low point in the Dead Sea where the ormus is from, the high point where the shilajita has harvested. It's such A cool dichotomy of, like, the spoken word in the text, the spoken word from Young now, the. The manifestation of. Of the black at the top and the white at the bottom, the yin yang, the snake eating its tail. Like, there's a lot there. Like, on an emotional level for you, Brad, what. What does this bring up with your background and, and all this stuff you've been through? You were an athlete that was riding bikes, and you told us that you got hurt and, and the pain is what birthed mana. So, like, when you hear what I just said, what comes up for you?

Yeah, it's interesting because I spent a couple years studying a lot of Carl Young's work myself personally. So that was part of my journey to go on into that, sort of deeper into the shadow side of that as well. So it's interesting for me. Yeah, it's. It's. It's a great question. And I. I reflect on the fact that what we're trying to do is connect into the field of. Of everything as well. So that's the big thing for us. And for me personally, it's like my body's been the biggest indicator of that as well. So the vitality, the body is the most important thing to connect back into everything. So. And that's where I sort of see myself is. Is if I can clear my channel as much as I can through some of what you just said with. In those. In those weeds, in the darkness, into those roots, to open up the channel, to be connected to the field and everything within that as well.

When you say the field, like we've explored Quantum, we have a company that I love, Leela, and Philip is a great guy. You guys definitely should link up the quantum, the field. Dispenza has been talking about the field for a long time, but the field, it seems like whether you're contemporary or an ancient master, they describe it with their own verbiage, the field. And I think we all get, like, maybe even just on a vibrational. We get what the field is, but it's hard to articulate exactly what the field is because you have to experience it. You have to have life experience to actually know what the field is. Case in point, like, when I'm driving and I think about Kerry, Michelle, or I think about my son, or I think about a friend, and they text me or they call me or, you know, they message me within five minutes or something, sometimes right away, like right in that moment. That's an example of the field. But I can't receive that. And I can't have that come in and out unless I'm clear enough to actually receive it and send it. So when you guys hear the field, it's a very esoteric for some people topic, but it's also highly scientific. If you look at the superposition, you know, the zero and the one appearing at the same time, David, like, how do you feel and what do you define as the field? And how does this mana help us access that?

So the field to me is what we are. It's our true nature. So you could also call it the now moment or the power of now. The Eckhart Tolle book. But we are literally the now moment ourselves as our true source. Okay. So that now moment is expressing in a perceived reality. That now moment is expressing through a perceived separate bodies, which we then our mind individualizes, creates the idea of I being a person and the ego kicks in. But ultimately, when we're not in this vehicle, we are that field. And even while we're in this vehicle, we're in that field. So if we were to remove the mind, remove these ideas of being David, that's 46 years old, that's a male, and all of these concepts, what's left is that field, the now moment. So that's when I say it's the truth of who we are. And just to circle back on the word mana, it's a very impactful and personal word for us because it's actually a frequency. So it's one of the original frequencies in our language. You'll notice the first three letters is man, and the last four letters is anna, which is renowned, which is known as. As Yahshua's grandmother. The symbol, symbology there is. It's ancient. So the man and masculine and feminine are both within it from a frequency perspective. And the translation of mana is what is it? Which we can go into more as well. So it was referring to this supernatural food, but the masculine and feminine touch is in there. And even nah. You'll notice a lot of indigenous cultures use nah, and a lot of Asian cultures at the end of a word use na. So it's very, very old. Yeah. So the. The actual frequency of mana is very important.

Frequency is fascinating. I was at a friend's house and he had a microphone and sand. And I forget the science of it, but you can see the patterns of how words look and how statements look and they actually show up in the sand. Somebody's writing on YouTube right now, like, I know what that is. But it's so fascinating to me it's called cymatics. Cymatics. So in cymatics you can actually see kind of like what Emoto did with the water. When you say loving things, when you're doing and being love, there's actually a visual representation of that in the world. And maybe for the people that are logical and left brain, that would be like proof of the field. I find it fascinating that we always have to prove spiritual and esoteric concepts. And I get it because on the other side of that, there's charlatans and people that don't have the right intention. You know, they might want to harm and take advantage of people. But you guys are so pure. I felt it from day one and I was like, wow, this is so refreshing in capitalism because I'm a conscious capitalist and there's a lot of unconscious capitalists out there. And it breaks my heart. So when I come across your work and I think, okay, on a vibrational level, if people are going to consume a product, they've got to know the core, the deepest part of where that product actually comes from. And it comes from the low and the high, the yin and the yang. I just, I was blown away in the sauna this morning thinking about that. And I wonder, like, I wonder what it really means to people to have something that they can go to. And if they were just going to have one supplement or one thing, one food that they consumed, why would it be the mana? What would that, what would that actually give people on a vibrational level? On a mineral level, like, let's, let's go into that a little bit.

Do you mind if I jump in again?

Yeah, yeah, no, no, this is good.

So just expanding a little bit on what you're saying from like the highest and lowest point. Yeah. So one's also black, one's also white. When we get the Dead Sea ocean plasma and, and vortex it in rotating magnetic fields, it turns white. So it produces precipitate elements as well. So it's the highest, the lowest place, the black and the white, the yin yang.

Yeah.

And then one's from the Earth or the plant world, the other ones from the ocean, the SeaWorld. Both of them are the most concentrated form of minerals that express on the planet. So we see it as like the keys of a piano, the white and black keys. And there's literally 118 different atomic structures. And what I mean by that is there's 118 different elements on the periodic table. And within that sachet we have all of those 118 elements so again, if you think of it as like keys on a piano, we can literally play the best song as a biological expression, if we have access to all of those keys, if we only have access to, say, 20 keys, then there's going to be areas of our expression that's compromised. And current studies show that those elements or atomic structures are no longer in our food because they're no longer in our soil. So, yeah, that's just another way that we look at it. It's really what we're addressing is the first principles of nutrition or the base layer of nutrition, that every. It's the building blocks of life. Everything else comes from those. And so if you. Again, if you're deficient, if you don't have access to them, part of your expression is going to be deficient.

Yeah. And I could imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, I could imagine then when people start to ingest the mana, they probably have stuff come up emotionally. Definitely physically. Like you had a massive testosterone boost.

Yeah.

From taking this. Like, not from trt. Like you literally just took the high and the low.

Yeah.

You assimilated the yin and the yang and you had real clinical results from that. And also I was noticing this morning when I was looking at this, there's been a lot of studies in India. Effects of shilajit on memory, anxiety and brain mono anamines in rats. The Indian Journal of Pharmacology in 1992. That's fascinating because, like, whether you're spiritual or scientific, this works. It works.

Yeah. And we can, we can go both ways too.

Let's go both.

Yeah, both from a science point of view and an esoteric sort of. So that's really cool because with shilogy, there's. There's so many studies, clinical studies around testosterone, around increasing in sperm counts over 90 day periods. My personal experience is one precursor for low testosterone that I found is a low vitamin D. And my vitamin D was through the roof. We. And we get access to a lot of sunlight, as David was saying, but that was super high. And then my testosterone almost doubled, but I took it in a different way. So I took it. I was playing around because I sort of tested on myself. I was taking two sachets in the morning. So that's sort of almost 2,000 milligrams of Shilajit a day.

Okay.

Which is, which is, which is pretty rare, but I've got a quite a high output. So I'll try and three or four times a week with jiujitsu. So I sort of Just was testing this on myself and then I got my blood test and saw the panel of testosterone. It was doubled for myself personally, but I feel like there was a combination of vitamin D and it was almost like what David's saying is everyone's got a different note that they'll sing in their body and it's up to the intelligence behind the body to get them at the optimum to sing that note. So what's different for David could be different for me. So we're all individualised like that. And that's why this product's incredible, because what works for me will probably not work for somebody else. And that's the probably advantages. And one of the opportunities we have with this product is there's so many clinical studies on this product and there's also so many advantages of taking this product. To actually, like, come up with two or three in that old way of marketing, it's just almost impossible. But what we're saying is it's the fundamentals of all health and the base layer for everything.

So what do people tend to get wrong when they look at the testosterone benefits of Shilajit?

Yeah, well, there's a lot of research now coming out that the testosterone is actually limited in women at the moment as well. So to have testosterone as not as a bad word for women, because we've had a lot of reports of women say, oh, if it's got testosterone, I don't want to take it. But that's usually with a lot of. A lot of things in our diet and a lot of things that we're consuming at the moment. A lot of women actually have lower testosterone than they should have. And that's kind of the adverse effects for that is early perimenopause, menopause is. And there's some studies coming out that. That women are getting those sort of things 10 years earlier than they usually are like 30 years ago. So that's obviously part of their diet, part of nutrition and part of what their epigenetics are in their life. So it's just making sure that having some awareness to what testosterone is for women is really, really important. And Dr. Beth is releasing a couple of articles on that, probably on our website or our social media pages as well. And she's going to go into great detail on what those hormonal balances are for women and how they are and why. Why they're so important.

Yeah, I'm no stranger to adaptogens like the Ashwagandhas and all the different mushrooms. Like, we know that nature brings us all the keys. Like nature, she gives us everything we need, but. But she sometimes makes it hard to get. I don't know what that's all about. Maybe it's like, in order for us to feel good, we have to express in a way that would put us close to these plants or close to these adaptogens. It's kind of a mystery for me. Like, why do you think nature and her divine wisdom put the ormus so low and put the shilajit so high? Like, what was she thinking? It's not something I've never thought about. This is why I love podcasting, because I'm like, literally in real time. Just like, what was she thinking? What was nature, in her divine wisdom, wanting us to get from. It almost reminds me of the trikruna and the ayahuasca vine, where they're so far apart. But the shamans, you know, if you go back as far as recorded history, they would say, well, how did you find out how to combine the plants? They would say, well, the plants told us.

Yeah, I can answer that. I feel like there's. There's a. For the. For humans, there's a rites of passage to go and find those as well.

It seems like it.

Yeah, totally. And the other thing is, is, like, there's. There's messages that have been recorded through mythology and around this, and you're talking about the Bible and you're talking about some of the other esoteric texts. It's all in there. And I think we're going through a stage of. Of life now that a lot of that stuff is coming back.

Yes. And.

And I feel like through consciousness, as everyone's connected to the. To the field, let's call it for. For terminology, that everyone's starting to access that information, like mycelium. So everyone's staying connected. It's like when everyone starts doing breath work and ice baths, and it's actually everyone clearing up the body to then find that information, to tap into that information. So consciousness, this is my theory that consciousness can evolve. Sure. And that's the only way that can do it. But. But back to. There's always a way that nature's going to make you work for it as well, and there's going to be some element of suffering for that as well, too. So you're not just going to get it handed to you on the platter, because that's not how, I guess, this game of life works. You've got to actually work for it. So I feel like it's hidden For a reason. And that hero's journey is something that's super important to find those. Those hidden messages to unlock which unlocks the codes of life.

That's a pretty fun game, isn't it? The life game? It's pretty amazing. Like, there's some times where I've been in so much deep pain, I'm like, wow, do I really want to be here anymore? Like, what's this all about? And then sometimes, like today, I'm so excited about the future of what we're doing and the future of what's possible. So I wonder, like, from an adaptogenic standpoint, because, you know, in science, adaptogens bring the body to homeostasis. They. They allow the body to operate in the way it was designed to operate by moving and checking and balancing the messaging systems that are inside our central nervous system and the enteric nervous system. And there's so many systems that are literally just giving and receiving feedback at all times. And it trips me out because I think about, like, are. Are some adaptogens better than others? You know, is. Is Shilajit and Ormus, if you put them on a table with all known adaptogens, would they be superior in some way?

Again, looking at it as first principles of nutrition. So there's a base layer. And what I mean by that is when we go from energy into form, the base layer is atoms. So on top of atoms you've got molecules and cells. But looking at that base layer where energy is first recognized into matter, that's what we're giving you in the sachet, all of those atomic structures or energy centers. And the beautiful thing with giving you the most concentrated from the ocean and the plant world, there's also a couple of other really key ingredients in there, which Socilaji is known as an adaptogen. It has this amazing ingredient in it called fulvic acid, which I mentioned before. Yeah, and fulvic acid's known for attracting electrolytes and trace minerals and then transporting them through the body, and it makes them more absorbable. So to answer your question, I think there are definitely some adaptogens and some combinations that have a more important impact at particular times, in particular cycles. And like what Brad said, moving into a part of this cycle where there's more light available on this planet because we're in a more light section of the galaxy. So what that means for us as humans is within our biological system, we actually have information sets so that our body can transform into a light body. And that's a big part of what we're going to be doing with mana with this product and some other products coming is allowing the body to hold more light. And when that happens, we have certain things that will turn on and other things that will turn off. And we literally transforming into a brand new species.

What do you think turns off?

So, so the, so the dense, the density, that of this conditioning which would express as fear and separation. So we will actually start to experience with our senses the connection between all things. And that's. So what actually turns off inside the body is a lot of the science that we currently know. As our consciousness changes, the outer expression changes and so our actual organs will start functioning differently. It's genetic liberation is what we're going through. So our organs will start actually illuminating, our cells will start illuminating. And the way our cells function at the moment with the fluids in the body will change. Yeah, and they'll literally become light.

And we're light beings. I mean, we literally give and receive light. That's how we're communicating with each other. We're, we're in lights in a studio. But there is a certain essence. You know, when you meet somebody and you're like, wow, that person really shines. Like they have a illumination to them. And I was even yesterday talking with one of our supporters for the birth team for the baby. And she runs a business called Luminous Birth, which, you know, birth illuminates life. And I feel like we have become. There's this renaissance like you talked about. And when Brad, you mentioned that, I was like, yeah, there is a renaissance to return to the old, old fashioned natural ways of being. But we're not in that world anymore. We're in this technological world where here we are on a podcast. You know, we're reaching tens of thousands of people across the world and it's so amazing, yet we're not in that old world anymore. So how do you guys feel about this integrating into this world, the world that's filled with like sometimes the dark side of the technology sword, sometimes the light. Is there a certain way that you could maybe even Synergy Stack doing the Shilaj read and the ormus like. Or is it alone enough? Is that just enough?

No. So this is the first product of a suite of products. And our intention is to create a liquid replacement for food. So we're moving to a more light diet and food we'll still be able to enjoy for commuting because it's wonderful and for the taste, which is wonderful. But within the liquid replacements that we'll provide, you Will have all of the nutrients that you require, plus some additional ones. And the additional ones that I'm talking about will help us hold more light in the vehicle. And an example of that is turning 24 karat gold into edible gold. So right now in the mountains, high mountains of the Himalayas, we have monks doing this for us that we can add into the mana. So what that gold is, how they make it is they put it into a size which is between 5 and 10nm, which allows it to pass through the blood brain barrier, get into the limbic system of the brain and rewire the entire nervous system of the body and brain.

How does it do that? I mean, you gotta drop it on us. How does it help the limbic system rewire? Does it increase the tendency for us to be calm? Does it decrease hyper vigilance? Does it neuroplastic, like what goes on there?

All of that. So no, totally. Okay, so the gold is the highest frequency metal. And when you turn that into an edible substance through this alchemical process, so it's no longer metallic, but it still holds that frequency. You can think of it like a gold salt. And salt is really crystallized light. So it's like the body has receptors that can receive that and as I'm saying, turn certain receptors on and old ones off and it literally transforms us, as I said, into that new human species. So that's an example as well of what's coming and how we can actually activate these different parts of the body to release secretions or new, old. And yeah, it's, it's a big part of what we're going through at the moment. So it's going to be big, massive, massive changes in the next decade and 20 years, which a lot of us are starting to feel, it's just going to go exponential. So our liquid versions of mana, the replacement of food, is really a bridge into that light body to where we no longer require food at all.

And you think that would be enough to sustain muscle growth or athletic performance? Like, because without calories, without, you know, kilojoules, without energy.

Yeah.

How would we sustain muscle mass? How would we be able to ride waves and climb mountains?

And it's a great question. So our, it starts with the pancreas in, in the solar plexus. Solar meaning sun, light. And when we have enough quotient of light in our body, the solar plexus, instead of regulating sugar and food starts regulating light. So it'll actually start secreting golden drops which illuminates those other organs and illuminates the cells so that they can start living off light. So we also have enzymes as well that can regulate photosynthesis just like plants. And so currently our science says that we can't produce vitamins as an example. So we've got to consume vitamins, our body can't make them. So with this new science, those enzymes will actually be able to produce vitamins from photosynthesis. So it's one example where literally our temple, our vehicle has all of the answers within. It has all the codes it can adapt into absolutely anything in the right conditions. Again, because we're getting access to more light on the planet, neutrinos from the sun. Neutrinos is nutrients, light nutrients. So yeah, our bodies have those biological codes and recipes to receive that light and not require the proteins or, you know, the fats or the sugars or even the carbohydrates.

This is wild. I've never heard this before. So this is like brand new for me. And of course, you know, not to disrespect, but I'm like, really, like there's, there's the healthy skeptic in me that's like, wait, I don't need to eat food. Like that would be really cool actually. My digestive system could rest. And so you said we would only eat food as social bond and social connecting. We wouldn't actually need a turkey sandwich anymore.

Correct. And this is a process to go through. So we know beings now living this way. This is not theoretical. I spent time with one of these beings for six weeks on their property at the end of last year. He hadn't eaten for 30 days. He's the healthiest being you'll meet on the planet. He's actually gone through these processes from an experiential state and is living off light. So, yeah, it sounds pretty out there. That's why we say it's a new science. Yeah. And the, the most beautiful thing is it's such a message of hope.

Right.

Because there is a lot of fear on the planet. There's a lot of struggle and challenge.

Yeah.

But the self being, the body and our connection to the field is actually the solution to everything. And that's, that's, that's the message of hope that because we all have that, that's who we are.

And when we start taking, we start eating light, when we start consuming light, then we can shine that light. In other words, the more dirty my conduit is, my body, the harder it's going to be for me to express Myself. Or live life fully expressed, which is what, honestly, most people. I feel this is true right now. Most people are waking up to the fact or shunning the responsibility. No, no shame. That they are an expressive being. Like, they are put on earth to have their gifts, whether it's surfing or riding motorcycles or speaking in front of 20,000 people. Like, we're all born for this greatness. It's not just some tagline. Like, we truly are born for something so magical. For some people, it's parenthood.

Right.

Like, I love being a parent. For some people, it's entrepreneurship. For some people, it's actually just being a steward in their community or a farmer. Like. But whatever we want to do in life, we've got to do it with full steam, like, full vitality.

And.

And the only way we can do that, in my experience, is if we take care of the base of the wellness Pentagon. And that is the physical. Like, you know, I'm curious for you, Brad, like, when you got into the sports and when you started to really understand what it took from, like, a physical level, even with the injuries and everything else, do you feel like that was your dharma? Was that your way of expressing yourself in the world? Was that the way that you were shining and looking back, what mistakes did you make? You know, what could you have done differently? I guess not mistakes, more just lessons. Right?

Yeah. It's a great question because for me, it's like life is just a process. And it's like, meaning that we're always in a process. So it's like the men's work you're doing, you're always in a certain process or a certain season in your life. And I feel like it's many seasons sort of rolled into one. Yeah. For me, the. The body is that foundational part of getting to that next level. And I feel like it's taken full responsibility for those parts as well. So it's taken responsibility for some of your, you know, your mum and dad issues or all of that stuff is sort of looking a little bit in that closet and having a look at your own and actually going a little bit of a deep dive in that. And that's a process for all. All of us to do individually. And, you know, I don't think anyone's perfect, and I think we all sort of regress a little bit in those areas as well.

Sure.

But I feel like that's the sort of path for all of us is to also. To get to that light part. We've also got a massive transition Individually to go through as well. And that's a sense of like 100% self responsibility and how you show up in every day. And that's exactly, that's exactly what my lessons have been and always will be my lesson as well. So keep coming back to that. Is that sort of foundation for me. And, and the body is always a great receptor. I think Paul checks one of his principles is the pain teacher.

Sure.

And it's always one of those things is whenever the body's in pain, there's also something, you know, you can go into the actual physical pain or the metaphysical pain or go into, well, what in my life is not happy right now? And that's what sort of always taught me. It's that soul knows as well. The soul knows when it's sort of in a depressive state. And it'll let you know that, you know, I'm not on the right path right now. And like you just said before, it's like some of us have like a parenthood or an entrepreneurial journey or if someone just volunteers and that's their dharma. That's incredible too. It's not saying that everyone needs to be this great shining light.

Yeah.

It's just that we're all, I feel like as a species we're actually going to transition and it's going to take a lot of time. But I feel like even with AI and all this new technology that's coming out that's connecting us all, that's also bringing us an opportunity to look at ourselves as well. And I think if we can keep doing that and that self responsibility part, that's huge as well.

Yeah, we, we're all, not all, many of us. And for like 30 plus years, I lived as if I wasn't in the awareness that I was going to die. And death became this great beacon of like, oh, I'm not going to be here forever. Why am I choosing to stress out or hyper focus on something that's causing me so much pain? And there was the teacher. The teacher was showing me like, you actually aren't going to be here for a while. Like after a hundred years or so, I don't know, I feel like 97 or 111. That'd be cool.

111 would be awesome.

111 would be really cool if I was healthy but not in a bed, not where people are waiting on me. But anyways, when we get to the end of our life, we'll look back, you know, one day people will be viewing this. Our children, grandchildren will be Their ancestors. It's like it makes me feel so much emotion. I'm like, wow, we better leave it well, we better leave this place well for them and actually forget about that. Leave it more well than we found it. Not because it's a trendy, cool thing to say, but because don't they deserve that? Don't our, don't our future children, our future men and women, like, they deserve that? So I think about the mana. It's so cool. It's got the, the gold lines and maybe that's the gold that you're going to infuse in the product. Maybe that was your thinking, I don't know. But I think about the way you guys have really cared about this. And it's so special because it really is a different narrative in the wellness industry. A lot of the wellness industries, like, how cheap can you make it, how fast can you get it out and how many people can eat it? And you guys are like, we're actually going to take our time and bring this out very slowly, really methodically. Like, there's a tenderness, there's a lovingness. And I bet you in 50 years, when we're no longer here, 60 years or something, you know, our ancestors look back and they'll be like, ah, I really liked how they lived. I really enjoyed how they lived. What comes up for you guys when you hear that statement, like, 50 years, 60 years from now, somebody looking back that is in your bloodline or that is in your family line, and they just take a peek at how you were being, your way of being, what you brought into the world, what your contribution was like. There's a legacy financially that people focus on, but I'm talking about the legacy of love. What legacy of love are you leaving to the world? So really curious about that because this is obviously not an easy thing to do. So what do you guys experience with that?

It's a beautiful question.

Yeah, it's an incredible question. And the funny thing is I was lying awake thinking about that last night at like 2 o' clock in the morning.

That exact question.

Yeah, that exact question. Yeah. No, no, 100%, because I was lying there because of the time difference and stuff over the last couple of days, but just meeting all these incredible people and. And that's the adventure. And to your point earlier, it was like, we've done it the opposite way. Where this product is, is not the cheapest to do.

Right.

And it's taking us a long time. And the way that we've positioned it is it's Right at that high end. So that it's counterintuitive to that whole CPG market and that wellness space. And that's what's refreshing and that's for us is going on an adventure is the biggest thing with this. And meeting people like yourself and some mutual friends that we've got. That's what I'll like at the end of that 50 years. And I had this vision last night of being surrounded by all the people that I love and that I've met along the way and standing up and just sort of thanking everyone for the journey. And it's almost like, die before you die. And it's like just standing up there and just looking. And the adventure that Dave and I have been on for 20 odd years and just. And the, the peaks and the valleys, like the product is huge as well. So it's sort of just sitting back and just having a go and knowing that we spread our message of hope the best as we could and we helped out as many people as we love. Like, I've got a dream of putting my dad and, and Dave's dad on a, on a first class flight to America and showing all the connections and taking him to all the places that he loves in the US as well. So it's just helping everyone that we love. And we've got a foundation over and over in Australia that we want to help as many people as we can. But we first got to go on this adventure to, to strive for that. So it's just helping as many people as we can in the best possible way that we can and show up as best as we can.

Yeah, philanthropy is really interesting because a lot of times people don't think about that until they're at a certain financial point where they can be a philanthropist. But it's like, it's. From what I heard from you, it's baked in already. You're already thinking about that. You're already feeling that's.

That's exactly where we started it. And that's always been something that's super important to us. And it's the ethos behind what Dave and I stand for, behind that foundation as well. It's super powerful.

Yeah, it's. See, Josh, for us, it's not really a business. It's like we went out into nature seeking to find a higher power and we found that truth of who we are. So when you find that, I mean, we've had absolutely nothing, so we've had to trust and surrender and find that. And when you find it, it's like, well, what I want to, what do I want to do with my time? Right. So we want to do something cool with our time that is going to assist with this genetic liberation and also help a lot of people. And the way my mind works as the formulator and the alchemist for this product, I couldn't have ingredients in there. That's not the absolute best I can find on the planet. So you're right. From a business model perspective, we actually went the wrong way around. We actually went and found all this incredible substances that are like at the ends of the earth, literally and found a way to. Because initially this started very small for us. And then we started meeting people that said, you know, you should get this out to more people. When it was small, it was quite easy because we're dealing with these royal families in these places that are giving us access to these leases that have been used for, you know, thousands of years for their tribes. When we wanted to scale that up, I mean my first concern was is it going to be sustainable, is going to be hurting these areas? So we've had to work through all of that.

That's interesting. Is it sustainable? Like if you, let's say you guys 50x your business and maybe that's not even the focus right now. I mean growth is always good. But is there enough ormus, is there enough shilajit to actually give to, let's say everybody in the world? Is there enough?

There absolutely is. So I'll just tap in a little bit on the ingredients and how there's enough. So the ocean plasma is a combination of dead sea water, which is already a very hypertonic solution, which just means really concentrated.

Yeah.

And then that's 50 of the almost. The other 50 is concentrated ocean plasma that we get from down off Tasmania that goes through a three year solar evaporation process.

And what exactly is ocean plasma? Because we know what blood plasma is, where you get it in a centrifuge. Is it similar, is it different plasma? Ocean plasma?

Yeah, it's the same. So it's ocean water from very pristine places that we then put through this alchemical three year solar process to adjust the mineral ratios. Because the Ocean itself is 99 sodium chloride, but our ocean plasma is only 8% sodium chloride. And then we've got all of those other macro minerals. Magnesium, potassium, sulfur, calcium in a really high ratio. That's the ones that are really deficient from, from our system. So the reason I'm mentioning that is ocean water. We're not going to run out yeah, with the shilajit. So we get it from Tibet, and we also get it from Siberia. So the ranges in Siberia is literally like going from LA to New York and back. That's how big the range is. And the Altai range, which runs up through Mongolia, that's a similar size. They're huge. So it's kind of an untapped area.

Is it similar to when, you know, maybe back in the day they found oil and it was bubbling from the ground? Like, what does it actually look like to get shilajit out of the ground? Is it. Could you actually get it out of the ground and consume it? Do you have to clean it and process it? Like, visually, what do you see? You know, you go out, you look down. There it is. How do you. What does it look like? How do you get it?

Yeah, every time's different. Sometimes it will literally be oozing out of the mountains.

Okay.

Summer months, and you might find a deposit that's the size of a brick. And other times it'll be all mixed up with the dirt and the rocks, and it has to go through a pretty extensive filtration process.

So have you ever come across just like, a lake of shilajit?

No.

Okay. That would be too easy.

Yeah, totally.

So. So these. So these deposits form, and then you. You have a cleaning process. Is it like a IP cleaning process, or is it just a cleaning process that's, like, well known in the industry?

Yeah. There's different nuances to it, and you can wash it with different things, like ashwagandha or wild roots in Siberia.

Okay.

You can think of it like mining gold. So you don't just really go and find big chunks of gold very often.

Right.

But you will find veins of gold, and it's obviously a little bit more abundant than gold. But, you know, the indigenous over there call it black gold because it is very rare. It is very hard to get to. But within these ranges, there is a lot of it. So to answer your original question, it's both of the active ingredients in here being the black gold and the white gold, or the shilajit and the ocean plasma, or the enormous. They're very abundant.

What do you think the biohackers delight is when it comes to shilajit? Let's talk about shilaji. I know there's some kind of magic synergy with the black, the white, the yin, the yang, the ormus, the. The shilaji. There's something cool there. I don't know what it is.

Yeah.

Maybe we can jam on That a little bit.

But.

But there's something probably synergistically magical that happens when they come together. But let's go just to the shilajit, because you talked about your testosterone, and in my opinion, that's probably the number one biohack that everybody's looking for for men. How do I raise my testosterone for women? How do I regulate my hormones? You know, and I don't know the research on hormone regulation with shilaji. But if you were to think about this, what would be the. What is the biohacker's delight when it comes to shilaji? What's the number one thing that a biohacker or somebody interested in optimizing their physiology might want to look at or measure?

Yeah, the best way. It's sort of the first part of that question that you ask. It's almost like when you put the two test results together, they're actually like a lock. And they actually. You know, when a lock goes in together. Yeah, and actually locks in. So where one's deficient, the other one's high. So this is what happens. It sort of unlocks a code where the lock goes together and it opens up.

So the best is obvious in laboratory. Right. So when we're testing them, that's what Brad's referring to. It's like, where one's deficient, the other's. The other makes up for it.

So it just slips in like a perfect Rubik's cube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's probably what unlocks a few codes within the body to then supply its nutrients and its sort of base layer, or it's. It's fundamental parts that it needs.

Yeah.

To then sort of the intelligence of the body to then. To take it off. So from a biohacking space. I don't actually. I don't actually know the answer to that question. I think it could be a multitude of things, and I feel like whatever you're deficient in, you're gonna get it.

Okay. Okay. Because I think about, you know, the concentration of dinosaurs that have been. Their. Their bones have decayed. That's what we put in our cars, which people don't realize that they forget. Like, when you're fueling your car up, that's actually ancient life that's fueling your car. So. And that's. That can be sourced into rocket fuel, which can fly a spaceship to the moon. So, like, think about the things that sit in our earth for so long, like fossil fuels like ships, shilajit. It's. It's almost like A rocket fuel for the human body because it can be concentrated again that sunshine. Have you ever thought of it in that way?

Absolutely, absolutely.

How so?

Well, as I mentioned before, it's like everything's made from water, light and minerals.

Yeah.

And as you're saying, this is like a liquid sunshine. So, you know, like the ocean plasma as an example. It's been sungazing every day since the earth existed. Right. So it has so much solar energy embedded into it. Plus with the minerals, it's such a conduit of electricity. And we're electromagnetic beings. So once we're actually getting. We just. We call them minerals or atomic structures. But all of those salts and elements are really. We're salt water banks.

Right.

We're not freshwater banks. So even though by molecular count we're 99 water molecules, there's not a single freshwater molecule inside of us. It's all minerals, it's all salts. There's 12 main salts. We don't get those salts from our food anymore. So you get your salts from mana. It allows all of that electromagnetic conductivity allows all of the intercellular communication. There's three main fluids in the body. It's the blood plasma, the interstitium and the intercellular fluid. The nutrients goes from the blood to the intercellular through the interstitium can only get there. It can only pass. It's like a. It's like the highway.

Right.

It can only get there if there's the electrical charge for it to pass through. So that's what we're doing. We're hydrating the body where we're. We're putting the. We're turning the electrical system on.

Basically it's going from a flat battery to a charged battery. It's a big difference.

I love that because I. We all need more charge.

Yeah.

Think about how many responsibilities these. Everybody feels. It's probably the greatest that everyone has ever felt. I know it is for me, like as a father and somebody that like cares about his business and wants to impact as many people as God allows him to impact. And I think about the fuel substrate that I need in my life. And it's been this battle with coffee for me. Like, you know, and I. I know so many people can relate to this. Like coffee, it gives you good feelings because it blocks the adenosine. But then when that wears off, it's instant crash.

Plus.

Plus it's stimulating the body. Right. So it's opening up the vessels.

Yes.

And the addiction is that it's a slight state changer and you can get things done. You can sometimes, you know, like, you can. You can get answers to things or new ideas, which is amazing.

Sure.

It's when we're using it too much and it's putting all that stress on the adrenals.

Yeah.

Whereas the mana, like the experience that you get is really, it's. It's allowing the body's functions to work as they should again because they've got access to all of those nutrients. So the experience of that is really like more energy, more strength, more endurance. It's upregulating testosterone, collagen, growth hormone. And testosterone is not just important for men, and it's not just important for the physical. It's really important for the mind.

Sure.

And the immune linked to depression. And also for women, Testosterone is really important for women. Not many people know that. And most of us are low in testosterone counts. And the other big thing is like anti aging or age defying. It's incredible because, again, all of that body systems are able to function correctly again. And fertility is a massive one. Like the amount of people that have contacted us and said they've been trying to get pregnant for months or years and haven't been able to. And they've taken the product. Both of them have taken it for a month.

Yeah.

And they're pregnant.

Well, it makes sense to me. A lot of fitness competitors, women, they'll. They'll skip periods because they're such low body fat, and they'll have such a hard time when they finally do want to have a child because they've essentially trained their system to operate in a misaligned way. So in a way, this can be like a fulcrum that brings that alignment back into resonance with how it normally should be.

That's it.

And I was thinking you brought up something really cool because I. People don't know this. My job out of high school, I was an auto technician for Mercedes Benz. And so I'm well versed in all the electronics in a car. And when you brought up the battery, something clicked for me.

Yeah.

You know, the plates and the battery gets sulfated if they don't have the proper mineral content, the proper acidity. And so if you have this beautiful car, which we have a pretty beautiful car. I mean, we're looking good. Come on.

But.

But we, but we have this beautiful car. And so if the battery, which essentially is this maybe hydration system, and you talked about the interstitial fluid and how there's that feedback there. If we're not giving the battery what it needs, it doesn't matter how nice your car is, it's going to break at some point.

That's it.

Like on a totally. On a biological level, what are some of the systems that are involved here? Let's go like a little deeper into the science. On a biological level, if people were trying to eat organic food, drink water that even has trace minerals in it, operate in a world that has, you know, like we said, environmental pollution, just the way we are set up right now in 2023, do you feel like this could, even with all the things that are deleterious for our health that are coming against us as a human being in this time, do you feel like this has the power to circumvent all those things?

Totally. It just goes back again to that first principles of nutrition that I'm mentioning. So we're giving the body the building blocks of organic food. So if you're growing organic food in soil which doesn't have access to those building blocks, it can't be in the food. So it's back to that source, back to that base layer is how I, how I see that. And then on top of that with.

The.

Elements in other spin rates, that's also allowing us to hold more light, which. An example of that is the ormus or the gold. Yeah.

There's so many different parts of this, like on a science level, but on a spirit level, what continues to fascinate? I'll go to Brad. What continues to fascinate you? The deeper you go into this work, I'm sure it's way different than when you started. When you started it was probably a whisper and now you're probably getting gongs of reconciliation as to why you're doing this. What continues to fascinate you about this?

Yeah, the thing that fascinates me is it just always keeps telling me not to give up.

How so?

Oh well, starting a business is like there's that human aspect of it. Whereas the fear of just fear or not good enough and that self doubt, there's always a whisper there somewhere that says just keep going. You've just got to trust. And that's the big thing for me is like there's. There's been times I've been sitting in a hotel and seeing zeros in every bank account. Like you talk about trust.

Yeah.

Like you've got to trust. Like the next day you just, you just. And that's the big thing that keeps teaching me. I know that's sort of not about the product, but it's actually, it's the journey with this product. And I know that word journey gets overused and bashed in this space, but it is exactly that because it'll keep teaching me. And when I've ever gone away from it, it's still whispering. So it's like the rites of passage of this product is. It's not a product. It's. It's a relationship. And. And it's huge. And I don't think it'll ever end. And I feel like that's. And I feel blessed and grateful I've got that opportunity to have that. And it's. Yeah, it's. It's incredible. And when I was. Before the show we're Talking about, like, 10 years ago, I wrote a list of all the people I wanted to hang out with on this adventure of we call life. And I'm starting to tick that off now. So there's that manifestation part, and it's all because of this product. And we had this dream.

You're on that list too, Josh.

Yeah. You're on that list.

Thank you. Thanks for having me on the list. Yeah.

So the big thing was, like, we had to have one product. And what was the best product we could find from all of the journeying that we'd done? This is it. Like there's. And iterations of this, and to improve this and to get it better and. And to share it with as many people as I can is our opportunity. But, yeah, it's a really hard question to answer because I feel like it evolves as I evolve, and then, you know, life will change. And, you know, I think that the biggest message for us is hope and. And being with people like yourself and the communities that you're supporting and also people in other communities as well. It's. We've actually got a massive thing to look forward to because there's so many people doing cool things. Yeah. And they're doing it for the right reasons. They're not doing it for some sort of individual capitalism. They're doing it to help the greater good. Yeah. And I know that's a little bit fluffy, but it's actually true. And we've got sister companies that are doing incredible things in the space of structured water for agriculture with infusing frequency through that and vortexing the war. Like, there's so many cool things coming that I'm excited about. And this product gives us the opportunity to just go and go on that ride. And also, it's sort of, you know, we just gotta hold it in a reverence for what it is. And that's what's, you know, we talk about all the time, like, and for us to match that so to keep working on our.

I remember I was laying on my back in the middle of the forest on, like, day three of my very first vision quest ever. And I was going through this deep spiritual process. Like, maybe anybody that's done any kind of ceremony or, you know, where you face your dark shadow, or maybe you go through many different aspects of your unconscious incompetence. The stuff you didn't even know you didn't know. And I was really feeling it. And a lot of it was around, like, wounding from childhood and the ways that I, you know, I did not know about respecting sex, energy and pornography and women. And, like, I got to this place where I really wanted to let it go, but I didn't know how. And it was impacting my business at the time. And, like, just the way that it was kind of owning me, this grief, this lack of forgiveness, man, it was like I could just. It was like, palpable. And I just laid on my back and you made me remember this, Brad. I just. I just looked up and I said, what shall you have me do? What do you want me to do? And I heard this little voice, and I don't know if it was from out there or in here, but all that the voice said was just keep going. Just keep going. And I cried. I mean, I can, like, feel it right now. It's such a special moment. Like sometimes when we get on our knees or when we look at the bank account and it's all zeros, or when we get our ass kicked so hard where we're out in the desert for 88 days and we don't know what's going on. And everybody has this journey of some sort where they get taken down to their knees and there's this decision point to either open up to God, open up to Creator. And maybe it's not even in a spiritual way. Maybe it's just in a human way that we do it where we just open up and say, I don't know how to go anymore. Please help me. You know, please help me. Like, having the humility for help. And then, bam, the answers come in. Sometimes they're like a whisper, sometimes they're a shout. But thank you for that, because I literally had an exact moment. You had it on a computer screen. I had it in a vision quest.

Well, yeah, I had actually a similar. Similar experience out at the rock at Uluru, which is the solar plexus, which was Dave was talking about.

And where's Uluru again?

It's right in the middle of the country in Australia.

Like heart center.

Yeah.

Or solar plexus center.

Yeah, totally. And that place, it was a similar sort of thing for me is like I made a pilgrimage out to that rock. David and I did. And we. We spent a lot of time with the indigenous out there. And I sat at that rock and I. We got there late at night and there was no one. Because it's huge. There was no one there at 7:30 at night. And I was. I was like. Because that outback is so expansive in space. And I got.

The stars are probably insane. Yeah, every stars everywhere. Everything.

Everything was expressing itself. And I put. And I was in a bad shape and I put my hands on the. On the rock and I Just show me the way. Like. Like, I give up. Show me the way. And then I looked up and I saw the Southern Cross. It was like so bright and said, just keep going. So, yeah, it's interesting. As soon as you said that story, I went. I had almost exactly the same experience. Experience. It's like you've got to be on your knees in an aspect of life to actually find the answer. And that's at the tip of where you'll get the truth.

And that's why Brad and I have so much respect for each other. Not only because we've been great friends for 27 years and we've been through so much together, but we've been in those moments where we've had nothing and we now know that we don't actually need anything. So it's a powerful space to operate from because it's trust and surrender. And every time we've had nothing and we've had to trust and surrender, we've been provided for. So there's just, I guess that knowing between us now that we can go on these adventures and our worst case scenario is still okay.

Yeah, it's interesting. The mind, the ego fabricates based on whatever lineage, trauma or this life trauma that says you're not safe. It's not gonna work out. You're not enough. Who are you to be doing this? There's a laundry list, right, of shit that the dark choir sings. And in order for us to be light, I think it's just like the Creator's way that we were designed to face the darkest shit, to face the darkest people, parts of ourselves, to know what light is. In other words, if I hadn't gone through what I've gone through and you guys have gone through, you wouldn't be able to taste the sweetness of success. When somebody writes you and says, hey, your product changed my life. It maybe wouldn't hit as hard, it wouldn't resonate as much because you hadn't gone through your own darkness. You hadn't been at on the Rock asking God for like mercy essentially, like, you know, show me the way. I think there is something to that. In almost 600 episodes, I have never had one person that has gone against what I just said. Every single person, whether they're multi millionaires, leaders of like eight figure companies plus, or whether they're best selling authors, whoever it is, they all say the same thing in different words. And that was I had to go to the lowest, darkest parts of myself. So that now when I'm here and it seems like I'm shining and it seems like I am who I am, because I am. I only know myself because of the darkness I had to look at in the past. That's the only way we can ever know ourselves.

And you'll hear some people say, like dying before you die, and then you're free.

Yeah.

And it's kind of like what we're referring to before when we say the field or the universe. That's what it actually is for us, that now moment. It's like when everything's stripped away and there's nothing left, but there's still something left. What is that? Because what that is never leaves us. It's timeless and ageless. And that's to me, the truth of who we are. And that can never be taken from us.

That's right.

And to me, that's what true love is. Because that's existence. All that's left is your existing. And as I say to me, that's true love. When you actually understand what it takes for existence to take place, it's the greatest miracle that can ever be. There's nothing more. There's nothing in the universe that's more fantastical or more glorious than existence. And then to experience that in a body which is the most advanced technology in the universe is something that just opens up such a deep level of gratitude and such a heart space that I know, regardless of how tough a time Brad or I are having, we can come back to that place and put attention on that because that's our home. That's where we're safe, we're secure. Nothing can touch us there. Doesn't matter what's happening externally, it's the.

Part of us that's never changed. Like when you Go to bed at night. It's the part of you that's been the same ever since you could remember.

That's it.

When you were a little boy or a little girl, like, it was the part of you that has never actually changed. It's always been. It represents style and creativeness in a different way. We grow, we mature. But that tether, I remember John Wineland a few episodes back said, you know, it's the being in true masculine energy and really feeling the tether to an anchor at a place that's never changed.

Changed.

It's never changed. And that masculine exists in women and men. We both need both hemispheres. But it's so fascinating to hear this from you guys, because I think what we're doing with this podcast, at least it feels like it more and more, is this. It's a. It's an amalgam of all this wisdom that allows us to live our life well. Like, that's what this show is all about. It's been the question for me my whole life, and especially since 2015. Like, how do I live my life well, how do we live our lives well, how do we. We do that? And I think we have to be surrendered to the journey of gathering and sifting and sorting and eventually embodying. Like, that's the goal, right? We want to embody. We want to have the alchemical process in our physical cells where people can just feel who we are when they're around us. We don't have to say anything. I think that's true freedom. And if this can help, I'm all for it.

Well said.

Yeah, perfect.

We covered a lot of ground, you guys. What do we miss? We covered a lot of ground on the podcast. Like, the code is Josh20. If you want to sample this product right now, just go to joshtrent.com mana and thank you guys for the 20% off. It's not easy to climb the highest mountains and go to the bottom of the Dead Sea to get this. So the code is Josh20. It's linked right here. I really loved everything we've explored because we really have gone to heaven and hell. Dark light. We've covered a lot of ground. And it wasn't just the science that fascinated me. What really I loved about you guys, and it was like, right when Aaron synced us up, it was that you're doing this not just for the money, and there's something really healing to. And of course, you have to make money to fuel the business and move on, but there's something really healing about doing something for a true heart reason instead of just, what can I get? And I super feel that from y'. All. And I'm curious, you know, as we round out the conversation, I asked you before, what fascinates you? What do you not even know that you might know in the future about what you're doing with Mana and the way that this might help people? If you had to guess, if you had a magic wand and you were like, hey, I wonder if Mana or I wonder if Ormus and Shilajit combined together with this synergy, could it create this for people? Like, in other words, what gives you that creative spark for the future?

Oh, that's a good question.

I feel like it just. I feel like it just individualized hope. That's my big thing for everybody. Because I feel like that's a personal journey for everyone to go on. So, yeah, If I, in 50 years or 20 years sort of was out of it and everyone come up and said, it just gave me a personal journey of hope, that's what I'd love.

And when you say hope, what do you mean by that? Because sometimes people get that misconstrued.

Yeah. It's not hoping of the sense of. But actually just hope of actually there's going to be better days coming. There's definitely better days coming.

Yeah.

And that's. I feel like there's a lot of people stuck in pain and suffering, which they need to transmute that through. Through any way possible. But I feel like if the product can assist that process of possibly turning that electrical system on or making that battery from flat to charged. Yeah, that's probably. And then that's their own individual journey. And I feel like that's that individual process that everyone needs to go on.

I'm glad you. You got clear on hope, because I've heard Dispenza say that hope is a beggar. And. And I think there's a way to have empowered hope to which you described.

Yeah.

But sometimes people can see hope, and that's why I asked you for clarity. Sometimes hope can be like a. Oh, I hope. I hope.

Hope.

Like, yeah, it was like a disempowerment. But there is an intelligent hope.

Yeah.

We can have in the world.

Yeah.

But we have to access our own intelligence for that hope to thrive.

That's exactly that. It's hope is accessing their own intelligence. That's it.

So I'm curious, man. We, like I said we covered like some of the outback today. Like, not the whole thing, but what. What did you feel when you started? And what do you feel now? And. And looking forward, forward, like Brad did, like, what. What excites you about maybe stuff you don't even know that you don't know yet.

Yeah. I see mana as a catalyst for genetic liberation. As. As I've mentioned. And big part of why genetic liberation excites me is the removal of fear and separation so that we actually get to experience the truth of who we are, which is self realization. Like, it's the most incredible expression or realization is to actually understand that we're infinite eternal beings. Because if I could give you a million years to go away and say, josh, come back with the one thing that you want to be or you want to have, like you've got just that one thing, it would be. You want to be infinite and eternal, and by design, you already are. So manna is a. Is a catalyst and a bridge to help us remember that and experience that.

Well, I think you just dropped a spiritual bomb on people with that. Thank you so much. Because that spiritual bomb, maybe it's imploding things that, you know are falsities. Like that we're separate, that we're not loved, that we don't breathe the same air, that when we look at our bodies, they're essentially all the same. They were all made from a mold. And so thank you for that. And thank you guys for, you know, not quitting. Thank you for not quitting. You could have quit. Many times there was moments where you could have quit, and we talked about those moments. So just super appreciate what you do in the world. And, you know, before we say goodbye, it's a signature question that I'm always wanting for myself, and I'll ask it to both of you. Brad, let's go first. How. How would you define a life that's lived? Well, in other words, what is. What is your definition of wellness? How would you define wellness?

Oh, yeah. I feel like living a full life, and that's individualized as well. For me, that's a full life, is a happy life. And I feel like experiencing all of it in a place of presence and trying to limit as much fear and separation as possible. And sort of. It was something you said a little bit earlier. It's like, I feel like we all need to sort of tidy our own stuff up. And if we all do that, we'll leave this place a better place. So that sort of wellness is as the whole. Not just wellness, as just the body. I feel like we can leave it. And I feel like Realizing it's always going to be a work in progress. It's not something that's finite. I feel like it's something that's infinite, too, and it's okay to regress, but it's all something that's a work in progress.

Yes.

Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you, man. And then I'll tip it to you. So, a life well lived. What does that feel like? What is that defined by you? At least your soul in this lifetime.

You understand our attention to be our greatest currency. And probably the greatest currency in the universe actually is a human being's attention, where they choose to put that. So if we could put our attention on the light and the glass half full, that actually allows us to express our greatest expression, our greatest dharma. So I sense that as our opportunity to focus on the light.

Words of wisdom.

Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you guys for being here all the way from Australia this first. I'm. I'm truly honored like, that you travel that far. It's incredible.

Yeah. Yeah. We're just so appreciative. Like, literally, you're the top of the list. You're the reason we're here. You're the reason we've come here. And, like, as soon as we met you, like, I mean, Brad's been following you, as I said, for what, five or six years?

Yeah. Yeah.

I've only known about you more recently just because I'm not on social media and all of that, but I've heard Brad talk, talking about you, and we just feel a deep connection with you, brother, and love what you're doing, love your audience. And so thank you, man. You're the reason we're here.

We really appreciate it. Feels good to receive that from you. Thank you, David.

Yeah, thank you, Brad. I'd second that because, yeah, this whole trip was anchored around coming here and. And connecting with you and. And your audience. So we appreciate your time and we know you're super busy. And thanks for squeezing this in because that. That means a lot to us. And I guess from us, our loyalty is. Is a big thing. So, yeah, we appreciate everything you're doing. And, yeah, keep spreading the love.

Hey, the universe conspired.

Yeah.

Which is always a good sign. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Everybody. Go to joshtrent.com mana use the code. Thank you for the code. That's super generous. There's so many things that we just kind of scratched the surface on. So if you head over to the show notes page, all the research and links and the studies from India and the studies from across the world with testosterone and shilajit and ormus. Like, what an incredible topic that really we just started to talk about. So from my heart to yours, and from all of our hearts to yours, until we see you next week, we're both, we're three of us wishing you love and wellness. We'll talk to you soon. Hey, thanks for watching this video. If you love this video, hit subscribe. Subscribe. That way you'll be automatically notified when new videos come out, new episodes. And also share this video with a friend. If you loved it, they're going to love it too. Check out some of the videos on this screen that are perfectly curated based on the video you just saw. Make sure you follow me and I'll see you in the next video.