Nano Gold: Exploring Earth's Highest Frequency Superconductor For Genetic Liberation

We set ourselves a goal to create the highest frequency supplement on the planet. And now we have that.

It's such a brilliant thing for us to bring out now because it's so needed.

The gold's available in a way that has never been released to the public before. But now we have 24 karat nano gold in every single sachet. It's incredible. For increasing out the quotient of light in our body and up regulation of bioluminescence. Those frequencies of light can actually get into the cellular network.

I want to know as I begin to take the mono gold, what might I expect?

Because the nano gold is in a nanometer size, it gets access to pass through the blood brain barrier. And when it gets into the amygdala, which regulates all of our emotions, it's inducing coherent biophotonic light emissions at the genetic and cellular level, which has the ability to reprogram the conditioning of our genetic code in the DNA and also bring more light into our cells. And the body's intelligent enough to know when it gets to a quotient that it literally transforms into a new human species. There's an invitation to liberation right now on the planet.

It's a bridge between something that could not connect to something else unless there was this superconductor in the middle of it.

Correct.

The gold is releasing and updating that software of the subconscious part of the brain as well. It's really electrifying the body circuits. It's almost decalcifying that pineal gland. So that pineal gland, once it's lit up, can have greater experience that's full of light. When we're in resonance in our life, that serotonin and those dopamine receptors, they're actually working perfectly how they should be.

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Yeah, just creating the highest frequency supplement on the planet at the moment.

That's it.

We can start there and stop there if you want.

Yeah, yeah.

It's been incredible. I think we're talking about it before the. Before the show started. It's like we had this beautiful intention to create a business from the heart, and then once it actually last 12 months of actually being in the business, it's a totally different experience. But it's been the most rewarding experience of my life so far, and I'm truly blessed to be on the path and meeting people like yourself has been a game changer for us, and it was the first podcast that we launched with, and it's awesome to be back in Austin, Texas, to be the first podcast that we're back on, too. So appreciate the message that you're putting out there as well, and the support and love, and you and I connect all the time. So for our friendship and brotherhood, I'm deeply grateful. So thank you.

Same. Don't make me cry in the first five minutes of this podcast, man. You know, it's interesting the I brought up Light earlier, and it's where we went in our first conversation. I feel like right now, I wonder how you feel. It's like the time for Light has never been more important if we're ever going to shift the narrative, not just collectively, but individually, because that's where it all starts. It starts with the physical body. It starts with the etheric field. It starts with all the aspects of self. So how has that morphed and twisted and changed for you since February 23rd when we podcasted last.

Yeah. Probably the biggest part of the journey since then has been the growth of the product in the market. And Brad and I going from founders of creating a beautiful finished product to then going on that journey of running the project and the consistency and the capacity of everything that goes with that. So because we go to so much trouble to get the raw materials from incredible locations all around the world, do all of our own importing and manufacturing and co packing and then we deal with all of our affiliates and sales and marketing. So just the. Yeah, the growth and the capacity to deal with all of that has been massive. As well as also sitting in that truth and sitting in that heart space and not having a business plan, doing everything still built off relationship. That's probably been the greatest challenge and also the greatest reward in the last year.

It's also cool though, because you don't have to get a bunch of outside people that try to whittle their way into the heart and soul of the business like y' all can actually lead it from your hearts. And then of course the flip side of that is the challenge is for you to stay in your heart. It's a paradox because there's stressors that come up, like maybe we can start there too. To bring light to the world is not always easy. It's sometimes very challenging. So for the people that are drawn to this light, which I think is all of us, whether we know it or not, I wonder if we could unpack that a little bit. The challenges of bringing light not just to the physical body through mana, but also the light of our thinking, you know, how we can actually love and interface with others because we've done that real work on us. I think that's a deep conversation.

Yeah. I feel super fortunate with Brad and myself and a couple of other members on the team that we went on a pretty deep journey before creating mana, before creating the project. And that journey kind of allowed us to connect with the truth or the source of life. And so we kind of have that as a base layer or a foundation for everything that we do. So it gives us a lot of, I would say, confidence and courage. Obviously, when you're dealing with a project and everything that can happen, there's times when there's a lot of challenges and we realize that just by putting attention on those challenges and staying in the right frequency ourselves that the answers will appear to us and we can keep pushing and, and keep staying inductive with the field to get those answers. So yeah, it's a massive journey. It's something that we probably underestimated to some extent. However, we just stay super present and I think the support and the love that we have for each other from the journey that we went on before we started Mana just has us, has a really beautiful foundation for not only our relationship, the rest of the team at Mana, and then all of the internal and external stakeholders that we deal with.

There's a picture on the screen right now of y' all deep in, I believe it was the Himalayas, where you source the original Shilajit from. And I think you were even holding a staff in one of the photos. There was a huge journey also Tasmania as well, and just nature probably in different continents of the world. For people that don't know anything at all about Shilajit, because it's really the foundation of the ormus, of the gold, of the ocean, of the original Mana. Go there first. If they're literally just feeling and hearing us for the first time, what is it? Why should we care? What is it really here for us, not just on a physical level, but on a healing level as well?

Yeah, I'll jump into that. I mean, Shilajit really is the greatest superfood that we've found in a decade of searching for all the greatest superfoods on the planet. And the reason I say that so confidently is when we test it in laboratory, it literally has all of the micronutrients that we need in abundance from a holistic perspective as well. So that's really powerful product. Getting it from the locations that we get it from is really important. Within the brand now of Mana, we have three active ingredients that we're super passionate about and we call them white gold, black gold, and now 24 karat yellow gold in a nano gold form. So because we have those three products that we've been researching in so much depth, we just know having the actual best source of those and putting them together in an appropriate way, how much benefit they're going to have for humanity. And so, yeah, that's something that we just don't compromise on. We just make sure we keep providing that best quality materials, best quality substances of those three. And we know that if we do that and we're in our integrity and can get them out to as many people as we can, that's kind of all we need to do from that supply side of the business.

Yeah, there's a big piece of this and it's actually giving people the nutrients that are just quite simply not found in our food anymore. Right. Can you speak to that? Because this is really a jumping off point for people that say, well, I'm a Breatharian or I just look at the sun or I don't even. There's people out there that haven't eaten calories in decades, but yet they're still alive. Science can't explain this, y'.

All.

It just can't. But for the rest of us, for the far majority of us, like, we need these micronutrients, we need this light. And it's just quite simply some of the episodes we've done with Zach Bush or even recently Craig Conover, who we were talking about with Mana. He loves your product. The light that we need is not found in the food that we're eating. And I think that's really worth mentioning. And going into.

Yeah, well, there's no micronutrients in the soil soils anymore. And Zach talks about it often as well. And that's a lot of those micronutrients like fulvic acid, humic acid, which is basically the life force within the soil because they've been monocropped over, farmed for sort of modern day diets. So what we're saying is like, everyone has to have the basis of micronutrients in their diet and that starts with fulvic and humic acid. And once that does, it starts the bioavailability of those in the blood system. So it starts from the base all the way to the top. So it's incredible for hormones. And it just regulates everything within the body too. So it works in perfect harmony with sort of getting those things from the soil that we didn't have anymore, so we don't have any more. So. So it's really important to have those in your diet today.

Yeah, I remember on our last podcast you were talking about the piano keys. And you know, if we're playing with half the piano keys, the symphony is not going to sound very good. So we really need to access. We get to access all the keys because if we don't, life is going to be a lot harder and then we're not going to be able to show up for our partners, for our ladies, for our women in the way that we want to, because we're literally on a biochemical level, we're just fucking held back. And I think that's really, really important for everyone to get right now.

Yeah, it's the raw materials, I like to call it the raw materials that the body needs. And if you can get people's like, basic understanding that you need the raw materials for your body to function and thrive. And that's it. And if you start there, then that's the sort of building blocks for all health. So you can sort of turn the electrical system on. Like with our sort of cry is like turning your body turning you on. Yeah, like, because if you not turned on, like you can't access certain information within the body because it's pristine blueprint or it's like vital body is really important for that access to information. Yeah.

Earlier you talked about inductive. I wonder if you can go into. This is the perfect time, by the way. So we're launching gold on the podcast the inductive versus the conductive. I think people may get that misconstrued at times. So when I'm going through an induction through a biochemical process versus the other side of it, what's the difference between the two and. And where does gold move in here? It's a superconductor. I mean, it literally connects things in a way in our body through blood brain barrier that it never has through a product like this before. So go into that piece. The. The inductive versus the conductive.

Yeah, I mean, we set ourselves a goal to create the highest frequency supplement on the planet. And now we have that. And the reason we're so confident in saying we have that is not only do we have the best form of concentrated ocean plasma, so those nutrients from the ocean with the ormus, which is the monoatomics, we've got the best source of the shilajit, which is the most concentrated nutrients from the plant world. But now we have 24 karat nano gold in every single sachet. And the gold is inducing coherent biophotonic light emissions at the genetic and cellular level. So the induction capacity of gold with light because it can hold all of the different waveforms. So there's a term called plasmon resonance, where you've got different nanometer sizes of gold and depending on what, what light forms they're exposed to and the shape, the color and the charge, that will actually induce different forms of light into those gold nanoparticles that are then manipulated into different energy that can have all kinds of effects on our cells.

So is it. It's a bridge between something that could not connect to something else unless there was this superconductor in the middle of it.

Correct.

And how exactly does that work, like for somebody that maybe doesn't have a degree in science or biochemistry? I know you guys have both gone way deep down the Rabbit hole, like traveling across the world, figuring this stuff out from literally the ground up. If somebody doesn't know too much about the science of, of the superconductor aspect of gold, let's jam about that.

Yeah, it's a big topic. And I guess again because the nano gold is in a nanometer size, depending on that size, shape and charge, it gets access to pass through the blood brain barrier. And when it gets into the amygdala, which, the amygdala is what regulates all of our emotions. So the like flight and, and fight responses, the fear and pleasure. So when we actually balance that out and balance out that stress component and that resistance to life, then we can actually build like a, a really beautiful foundation of that, that, that's like more harmonious, more peaceful. And then we can access these higher processes of our biochemistry and internal bio circuitry. So the process for that then it goes basically from the cerebral spinal fluid into the central nervous system and the medulla which is lodged into 26,000 nerve endings at the back of our brain can actually regulate that nano gold frequency that'll go up and down the spinal column. And once it goes up and down the spinal column, then it can start to go out to all the cellular receptors as well. That light frequency, those frequencies of light can actually get into the cellular network. So yeah, it's, it's incredible for increase increasing out the quotient of light in our body and upregulation of bioluminescence.

It makes sense because I don't know, back in the day in my Ford Mustang when I was in high school, the highest conductors were gold. They would put those on the endings for stereos and it's actually the highest connections in electronics and electricity is gold. So it would make sense that because we are electrical beings, right, if we put on a, if we were in a PET scan and you showed people different images of stressors or love, the circuitry in the brain would light up differently. But it's all fused through a bridge. It has to conduct, it has to connect. And so I want to go a little bit deeper because I'm just perfectly selfish. I want to know like I want to know as I, as I begin to take the mana gold, what might I expect? Would it be that I have some amygdala release? Would I go through some emotional processes up front and then there'd be more better harmony and regulation later on? In other words, once I start taking it, what might I go through? You know, on an emotional level? I'm sure you Guys have been testing this personally, so maybe there's some stories y' all could tell. There's got to be kind of a crescendo of what happens when you take in a superconductor. And then there's probably a homeostatic set point after that in some way.

Yeah, it's a great question. Anecdotally, using the gold is. Has been quite profound. I look at it like the. The body in a way of like the hardware, like on a computer, and the software of the computer and the electrical charge. So your point about the semiconductor and that subconscious brain that you're talking about, that where all of those emotions are held.

Yeah.

And a lot of those emotions sort of lead into illness. And you've probably talked about it a thousand times on the podcast. Right.

Like, that's good to talk about again, though. Yeah, I don't think we can hit on that enough, really.

Yeah. So for. For me, experiencing a lot of that emotional release through that subconscious in dream states, and I compare that to like doing your plant medicine, which is a lot a harsher way to actually do things.

Sure.

That release and a lot of that purging is quite like, related to the hardware of the body, whereas the gold fundamentally, for me, is releasing and updating that software of the subconscious part of the brain as well. So for me, that's the experience I've had. And a lot. A lot of the team that's been taking it and a lot of the studies that we've been finding have found that as well. There's a release and it's. It's a lot softer and it's not as. As harsh as what some of those other ways of releasing that subconscious part of the brain is. So, yeah, that's been my direct experience as well.

Who would have thought that gold would make you have these lucid dreams, much like, you know, a microdose of psilocybin or something. It almost sounds like that in a way.

Yeah, well, it's. It's in that part of the br brain that David was talking about that. That stores. And it's like the pineal gland as well, when it's calcified. So it's almost decalcifying that pineal gland as well, so that. That has got more access, what we've been talking about, more light. So that pineal gland, once it's lit up, can have greater experience. That's full of light.

You know, this makes me feel. I know you. I know you're about to say something really good. I promise it's going to make sense. I heard a quote a long time ago and we're going to find it. We're going to find this quote and give credit to the speaker. We are light right now. The only thing that blocks our light is almost like look at the light in our heart. And there's a window in front of our heart and that window just gets dirty, it gets dusty, it gets filmed over. And so we really all need an emotional, physical pressure wash of what's already there. If we can just clean away the crude on that window that we can actually see the light that's shining super bright anyways. So shout out to this person who said it so eloquently like the light inside of us is shining at all times. It's just about removing the dirt and the decay that's blocking our light.

It's beautifully said. Yeah. And that's effectively what Brad's sharing as well. With that subconscious becoming liberated. That's something we spoke about last time is genetic liberation, which effectively is really the unraveling of all of that causal conditioning from our genetics, our past lives, early childhood here. And once we get rid of that, let's call it causal conditioning or, or stress or trauma or fear, whatever it is, then we can actually fall in love with life again and get back into this flow state. And that's when the gold also has a massive impact because it allows us to access those higher processes.

And is that purely because of. Now, you had mentioned monoatomic before. What's the process in that as. As it relates to superconductivity through gold? Because essentially it feels like a pressure wash of that window. It really does. I mean, I know I'm making kind of an interesting metaphor, but. But on a physical level, on a biological level, there is a washing that's happening. There's a cleaning from the gold.

Totally. And that's happening through the cerebral spinal fluid. So the cerebral spinal fluid is going from the spine through the brain and is actually giving it a wash. So you're exactly correct.

Yes.

Yeah. And then through the blood brain barrier and the interstitial of the. Through the central nervous system. That's when it's actually able to get out to the cells as well. So it's not only giving it a wash, but it's also up regulating that bioluminescence and the light quotient in our body. And our body's intelligent enough when, when that light quotient gets to a certain level, that's when we start to access a whole bunch of new processes go through that process of genetic liberation. And yeah, it transforms into a brand new human species.

It's crazy because before we hit record, I was talking about, have you ever listened to somebody like a spiritual teacher and they're saying, great, but there's some kind of, you know, Bush calls it the redox system. Right. So within six feet, my, my body is reading your body. I'm looking at all the micro muscles in your face and we're either trusting each other or we're not. I think these are built in intelligent systems in the body. But what's really fascinating is like that gets blunted from life, that gets blunted from social media and just, I mean, look at emf, the freaking cosmic soup we're all floating around in. Like, I, I think being distracted is kind of the norm and being blunted is kind of the norm. So for me, this is more than just something that you ingest and that does superconductivity. It's also an identity thing. Like, I love myself. I love to be well. I believe that I am well. I believe that I can gather the evidence to be wise. Wellness and wisdom. We're here on the podcast so that I can live my life well. But in order to do that, I have to choose. There's a, there's a choice point that happens because someone can say, oh well, it's too expensive or oh well, I'll go put my money elsewhere. I bet you 99% of people have the money. It's just more. They're spending it in ways that just continue to blunt them.

Yeah, it goes on attention. Like I love what you said about the, the body aspect. There's an outer body. I call that, we talk about it often. It's that vital body.

Would you also say that's the etheric or would you say it's different?

I would say it'd be the same thing.

The same. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. And that's from, from my studies and research is there's an, there's an outer body which is still connected to the inner body of the human. And that vital body is, is like to your point, it's, it's sort of, it dims due to distraction and interference. And the way I put it, I was in Tasmania, like the deep south. I was sharing with you a couple of weeks ago before we come away. And it's just the open spaces and just the connection to nature really lights that vital body back up because there's a lack of interference. So you, you know, you can't Turn to your phone all the time and, you know, you can't sort of jump on your laptop.

Yeah.

So there's. And I experienced this when I was out in the outback in Uluru when we spoke on the last podcast. It's like the lack of interference there does give you a greater connection to nature and our true nature inside as well. And that's what we've found and what we've discovered with the gold and the rest of the products as well. It's like, it's really electrifying the body. Body circuits. And that's superconductor, and that's like superconductivity is what we talk about often. And it's. It's such a brilliant thing for us to bring out now because it's so needed.

Why now? It's a big, big question. Like, it's something I think about a lot of. Why now? Am I being supported in the way I'm being supported? Like, look at these almost look like electrical pieces on my shirt. And I wore it in, you know, in harmony with the gold. I thought I'd wear the gold shirt today.

Yeah, I love it.

Thank you. And. And I'm like, okay, why now? Like, I'm 44, you know, and y' all are both in relationships, which has changed since the last time we were here, which is amazing. Y' all are being called forth, too. We're all being called forth to something. I wonder what that something is. I have an idea. But I wonder how you feel. What is the thing we're being called forth to do? What is it?

Yeah, I feel it's. It's drawn. Drawn to the light and to the truth of who we are. So from our experience, the truth of who we are is the one mind. Like, it's the one source emanating through multiple fractals of being. So we're connected to God and having this human experience, and we've gone through a period of separation. However, now coming back to that light and transparency and these higher frequencies, we're remembering that connection between all things. And that's the most beautiful human experience we can have. Maybe second to having a family, but that experience of understanding our connection, it brings in such a deep level of harmony and peace, is the beautiful thing, because we understand that we're all connected. There's no reason for conflict, there's no reason for competition. There's no reason for dissonance in any way. And within that truth and that connection, we also understand our infinite nature and our eternal nature. And that's really the one thing we all want to be. We want to know that we're eternal and that we're not going to die. So I think within the harmony and understanding that eternal nature, there's just such a deep love and peace for life. And we can be in that flow state, which is really heaven on earth.

I mean, my whole nervous system just relaxed of you explaining that. Yeah, it's the fear of death that I fought with for so long. And it wasn't only through plant medicine. Like, yes, that was part of it, but it was also through holding my son in my arms, holding my daughter in my arms, and realizing, well, life just continues. Life begets life. You know, life just continues to live. And so if the same energy that created me, the Creator created me, then all there is is more creation. So I'm just gonna go back to wherever that space is. And so it used to bring up a lot of sadness in me. And I think normally it may. I didn't know we were gonna go here, but this is why I love podcasting.

Right.

The metaphysics of our being. I think really the sadness that we all feel about leaving or about dying is because we won't get to have mana, we won't get to eat food, we won't get to make love, we won't get to hold our children anymore. And I think that's just a human, universal, shared sadness. But it's from that very sadness, paradoxically, that we love, that we actually get to really live and really love each other. I don't think that the creator wants it any other way, otherwise it would have been designed different. So I really love the way you explain that, because, yeah, birth, death, the light that creates all and that that illuminates all. It's not like when we die that the light extinguishes. It just gets transferred. Right. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transmuted. So the light just takes us somewhere else. And, you know, if we knew exactly where that was, maybe we wouldn't live the way we live. We have to have some mystery is what I'm saying. We have to have some respect for the mystery of it all and, you know, make the most loving sense of it we can, I think, while we're here.

Yeah, I love that invitation. I just see that what you both spoke about is an invitation to a deeper knowing within side of yourself. And it's like what we talked about before the show. It's like it's individualized for everyone's experience.

Yeah.

And I feel like it's such a dualistic approach to life now is. Whereas we can see this fear is a certain energy, and the light or love is a certain energy as well. And whatever we choose to put our attention on is the one that's going to manifest into this reality. And that's where I've been sitting a lot is like, if we're turned on, we've got access to that super consciousness or that. That field or manifestation, whatever language we want to use. So that's where I feel like that's our unique invitation is to go there. Because the moment we put it on, that attention of fear and hate and division, that is what we will manifest more of. And I feel like if we just put more attention on. On that light or that love doesn't mean that stuff's not going to come up.

It definitely will.

It will. It will. And there'll be shade. But that black or that. That darkness and light are the same thing because they emanate from the same spot, so.

Well said. Yeah. And. And look, the. Like you. Like you both have said, it's not easy to do what you do. And I think anything worthwhile is going to come with unique challenge. So I wonder, like, you know, moment of vulnerable truth for both of y' all and put you on the spot because, like, I just love personal stories. I think we all can connect through story. It's what a child understands the same way as an adult. So as you've been bringing more light to the world, what is some darkness that has come up for you that you've gotten the gift of letting go? In other words, how did you move through that? Let's go there. Let's. Let's be honest about it, because it might be easy for people to say, oh, these are successful businessmen, and, you know, they're just shining love and light. It's like, nah, we're not wearing good vibes only T shirts on this podcast. Like, there's real unique challenges that we go through. That would be inspiring, I think, for. For someone to hear, especially an entrepreneur who's watching or listening. Yeah.

For me, again, because we had such a beautiful journey before starting Mana and the project, and that was having nothing financially and wandering around the planet unbeknownst to us, visiting a lot of these sites where we were coming across these amazing substances called the elixir of life or the Fountain of Youth. And then going down that rabbit hole, I really feel like I'll speak for myself. We've positioned ourselves as stewards for these sacred frequencies and These substances. And so the earth and the field are the parents of those. The elements are the parents of those and the creators of those. So Brad and I do the best job that we can as stewards for these incredible three active ingredients that we've found. The white gold, the black gold, the yellow gold, however, they have their own life force and timeline. Before you were saying, you know, why is now the time? Why is the light coming through now? And it's my understanding that at specific times of the cycle, these substances show themselves again. They become available, in particular the gold, the monoatomic gold, and the nano gold. And so I don't necessarily know what timing that is or whether we're the ones to bring it to the world. So all we can do is be present, do our absolute best every day. And you know, Brad and I are working on this from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to sleep, because we love it. We're so passionate about it. It feels like it's guided and it just comes through us.

Yeah, it's palpable.

It is, yeah. So. So from that space, we know we're stewards of it. We don't own this. We're running it as a not for profit. So we're not in it to get something back. It's a mission of service. And it's such a joy. You know, we get to. We learn every day. We learn something new about this every day. We get to meet incredible people like yourself every day. So for us, building it off relationship and having the connection that we do to the substances and to the field and God, for me that's enough. And I can honestly say I don't have that many fearful thoughts or moments or challenges around it. There's times when I feel very full from a capacity perspective because we're learning and growing so much from a busyness side.

Yeah, your sponge is overflowing. It's absorbed so much.

Yeah. But because we have that awareness to just get back out into nature or to meditate or to just have a little bit of a break, we've both got beautiful partners. Brad and I only live an hour from each other in Australia. We talk every day for hours. So we just have that beautiful brotherhood. We have beautiful support. And then I guess from everything we've learned through our journey, for me personally, I just feel from that space of service and surrender that everything's going to be okay, regardless.

Yeah, it's a good question because it's like there's the part for me that is such a An inspiration being like, the stewards for the products. And that's like, if my attention's on that all the time, everything just flows and putting in maximum effort and just sometimes surrendering or a lot of the times we just surrender. And. And being in that flow state is really, really important for us because, you know, hours before we're about to do something, something will pop up. It was exactly the same this morning. So allowing that freedom and space is really, really important. But for me, it's personally a little bit different in some ways from my experience, because my levels of complexities are different to David's. And that's the beautiful thing that we. Because we've known each other for such a long time, we actually understand each each other very, very well. And my levels of complexity have been crushed through this whole project. Meaning when I say levels of complexity, it's like the greatest personal development gift I could give to myself would be working at Mana. And, you know, sort of. It's been incredible in a lot of ways of. And one of my biggest things through my, you know, emotional and subconscious journey has been not being good enough. And, you know, David doesn't have that, but I do. But having awareness to that throughout the journey has been a huge piece for me. And just sort of making sure that that little boy inside of myself is nurtured when it needs to be. But that responsibility is on me. And where that shows up within the business and where I'm, you know, potentially projecting that onto David or the. Or the. You know, I want a bigger outcome for me personally. And it's like, oh, I need to check. I need to check myself, because this is about Brad the individual, not about being a steward for the product. And as soon as I put my attention back on being a steward for this product or these products totally changes things start flowing. And it's. It's one of those things that. That's been the greatest gift for me personally, inside of this. And as David mentioned, we're on the phone three to four hours a day. You know, we live an hour apart. We spend a lot of time together. You know, we travel. You know, a lot of people ask us, you guys, you travel a lot and spend a lot of time together. And always they say, how does it work? And we're like, it's. It's easy, because when you put the other person first and have the products as the stewards, things just run really smoothly. The moment that you want something for yourself or that take, there's nothing in. And that's Like a relationship, any relationship. The more that you give to that relationship, the better it is without any need to take anything back. And, like, we had absolutely nothing before this. Like, zero. Absolutely zero, except these incredible products that we found on the journey. And, you know, our life is a lot different now, but it's still the same. We still love nature. You know, it's still important, that understanding that we've got to have that as our fundamental foundation of. Of how we live our lives.

There's so much that's an entire podcast, but I'd love to go into that because, like, so no matter how much zeros are at the end of my name, I will never just give to my children because I would rob them of their own journey.

Yes.

And you see this with. There's a term called latchkey kids. I don't know if you heard of this.

Yeah.

Super wealthy parents that just give and give and give to their kids, and they actually rob their kids of a journey of self development, self growth. You have to have some challenges in the world because I think that's how we dampen our ego. That's how we actually train our ego to be in harmony with the other parts of self. Then it's not like we're trying to get rid of the ego. Like, life would be pretty boring if there wasn't, like, David, Brad, and Josh egos. We need those egos. Yet an ego left unchecked could really take something like this and burn it to the ground. So it's really important that we touch on this because there's so much information out there about, you know, it's okay to have a Ferrari and, you know, you have to love yourself and buy yourself all these physical possessions.

Yes.

It's okay as long as the come from is from a harmonized ego. If the ego's not harmonized, if the ego's not in check, it's so challenging for any movement to grow. And it may grow, but then that person might be in their 60s, and all of a sudden their wife leaves them, their kids don't talk to them, and it's because along the way, they just weren't interested in really harmonizing with their own ego. I've definitely felt that in the beginning where I was like, I'm trying to grow. 2015, when the podcast started, I'm like, I want to do the best I can. I want to make this money. I was coming from scarcity. I want to get out of debt. I was $80,000 in debt when I started the podcast. And now I'm like, well, I can make $80,000, no problem, you know. But back then, my consciousness, my life journey, had no. Afforded me the vantage point that I have now. And when you were. When you're at zero, I remember you telling me this story. You had this moment by a rock. I think it was in Tasmania, right?

No, that was.

Yeah, okay, go there. Because that's really important that that was a choice point for you. You could have chosen one line of thinking. You could have chosen this one that you chose. What made you not choose the disempowering line of thinking when you were at zero? How many people are at zero? And they're just like, I'll do whatever I can from scarcity to get out, including sacrifice my own integrity. That's a really big point.

Yeah, it's a good question. I think I. To. To be honest with you, I didn't know because sometimes when you give up, you're at your. You. You're at your end.

Yeah.

And there's been a couple of times along the way where it's like at Uluru, you know, a really incredible rock in the middle of the country. It's the spiritual home or that. That heart of the country. It's like there's so much talking about interference in space. There's the lack of interference in space. So there's a vulnerability and a truth that comes out at that time because you don't have any interference on the outside. Sort of trying to confuse the path that you need to go on. And surrendering, and I know that term's been used a lot, just surrendering is. Is. Is something that's so important, and that's what we do every day. Like, that's what we have to do every day, is that's where the magic pops in. And I didn't know then now that that's what was happening was the magic's popping in. And it happened again when, you know, I was in a hotel and the same thing happened. And it was Dave and I and Sydney, and I was like, I just. I don't know what to do. I had a packet of chips for dinner and that was all I could afford. So it was almost like every time it's like another level. It's like a game. It's just such a game.

It literally is a game. It's like Monopoly, you know, we fold out the board. Where do you want to play?

But we take it so seriously.

So seriously.

So seriously. And it's like, it cracks me up every time. And sometimes Dave And I just, like, ring each other up. And I know when he starts laughing, something big's happened.

He's bringing in the codes for the game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I. I don't have the answers why that happens often, and I don't think I ever want to know. It's just. It's just like if I keep coming back to the point of being, you know, a steward for the products, and it's not me or I don't know. You know, when I put my hands on Uluru, the sacred rock, just giving up, I didn't know what I was doing. I probably saw it on an Instagram post and it looked good. Like, I don't know. And I think having attention on. I don't know. And it's almost like what David's saying, you know, we don't always have the answers, but something will pop in to give us the answers. And the goal is a perfect example. But there's been so many twists and turns with that product, and it's like we just laugh and we just get on with it, but we don't laugh because we. We see it as a. Like a. It's like the eternal joke.

Yeah.

It's an internal joke.

Yeah.

And there's times where we were very serious on what we do, and we've got a lot of responsibilities with, you know, with our production now, with our manufacturing, with regulatory. A lot of that stuff is we dot our eyes and cross our T's over all of that stuff. But there's times where on the other. Other side of it where, you know, you can put your attention on all the good information that's coming to you. Like, this product's the most amazing thing. I'm totally turned on using this product, you know, my life. You've changed my life. And then you get other people saying exact opposite. And I just don't think, like, you can put attention on any of them. It's just if you keep turning up and you keep coming from the place of love and light and putting those intentions into what you're doing. And we've always set out, We've said it a couple of times of creating the highest frequency supplement on the planet. And there's a lot in that. And the gold is exactly what that is.

So the gold. So if we had a Monopoly board on the table and you put gold, it would basically be Boardwalk and Park Place. Like, it's where you'd want to build the hotels. It's where you'd want to play the game. We just had My birthday this week, we. And I was with a bunch of really amazing men, Sean Wells being one of them. I'm sure you guys have heard of Sean or know Sean in some way.

Yeah.

Creator of Parisanthine, which is an amazing molecule. Anyways, we were like, yeah, you know, if the worst thing to do is when you're playing a game to get angry at the person who's winning because it actually robs you of your own curiosity to play the game better. And I feel like on the micro to the macro, if we could float 50,000ft above us right now, just get curious about how people are winning. Just get curious about how they're playing the game instead of succumbing to the watiko of rich people are bad. People that create things are bad. I've even seen. I've seen the majority, like 90% comments of just, like, this has changed my life. I can have sex with my wife again. You know, so much love. But there's this segment that I've noticed, and it's just people where when they leave a negative comment, I click over and I can just tell by their IG wall that they're in pain, they're angry at the game. They're not curious about the game anymore. They've allowed themselves to be robbed of that curiosity of the game. And I wonder how you guys feel about how do we reinvigorate? Like, how do we bring the curiosity back to the game of life? Because it really is just a game. If I'm angry at somebody who's succeeding, I'm robbing myself of the curiosity to how I can win.

It's a big question.

I like to ask big questions.

Yeah. For me, it's just coming back to gratitude, like back to the simple things. Our mind can complicate things and make things. You know, poor me and go into that victim mentality of life's hard or whatever it is.

It's such a slippery slope.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think we've all experienced it and. And the mind is. Is. Is a beautiful tool. Plus it's. It's the ultimate trickster. And so I feel like the best way to kind of reboot the mind or like get back to that place of truth is just come back to gratitude for the simplest things. You know, we can talk super complex about nanoparticle gold or, you know, these advanced formulas and the light, however, just being thankful for life itself and for health, for breath. For breath.

Just that we're here breathing for a heartbeat. Yeah.

For relationship, for clean water, for Food, whatever that food is, whatever you can get access to. So, yeah, I think just taking it as simple as you can. Yeah. As you said, breath, waking up, being able to walk. And once we go back to that simplicity, I've always felt the magic of life is remembered, and that, as a starting point, is super powerful.

You talked about gratitude. I wonder what you're the most grateful for in this new relationship. What has she taught you about you, and what are you most grateful for there? Because that's part of your game.

Totally. Yeah. It's the inspiration, and you use that word earlier. It's the inspiration of the way Susie shows up for our relationship. So the awareness that she brings in and what I mean by that is the light, effectively. So there's. There's no drama, there's no pulling. It's showing up in a way that I respect you, I support you, I see you, and that's all you can ask for. That inspires you to give that back. So. Yeah. And then the other big thing for me is, you know, she. She's such a. Adept, beautiful being herself that just being in her presence is super inspiring. And the way she positions herself, the way she conducts herself. So.

Yeah. Wow.

Yeah.

I hope Susie hears this, watches this. Yeah. I. Relationship has been a huge catalyst for me and. And Carrie Michelle, and I love the mana. I mean, I've been telling you guys for almost a year now. I take two packets in the morning, and I do that because I want it to be the first thing that infuses or inducts. Maybe you can go deeper into that, the inductive versus conductive. I still have a little clarity on that that I need, but I like to do it on an empty stomach because I can feel it within five minutes. I mean, way better. I haven't had a coffee in so long, I don't drink coffee anymore.

Yeah. Wow.

Who wants to drink coffee and just blast your adrenal glands? Like, that's not. It's bringing temporary light, but it's kind of like pouring gasoline on a fire. So there's this big flare, and then it dies out. The real way to do it is to put a log on embers and coals, which is what I think. I almost feel like I'm putting a log on whatever embers or coals are burning in my system in the morning. I wonder if y' all could speak to that. You know, the physiology of that. Because most people, sadly, in America go to Dunkin Donuts, and they might. They might get, like, a donut And a, and a 64 ounce iced coffee with like frappuccino sugar blast in it, you know, so there's, it's not to shame them. I'm just laughing because like there was a point in my life where I was that guy. Like I would do that. It was like 20 years ago. I would, I would do that. So why do I feel that way in the morning? It's the, it calls to me because I love how I feel. But there's way much more going on than just how I feel.

Yeah, I mean there's so many components to, to that within the formula because you've got all of that electrical charge that Brad touched on before, all of that body electric coming online and turning on from each of the ingredients. So we've got the most concentrated form of electrolytes, electrolytes being, you know, that electrical charge of all of those fluids, the blood interstitial and the intercellular fluid. And then you've got the biogenetic stimulant of the shilajit with the fulvic acid. It's known as nature's miracle molecule. And it also has like enzymes, amino acids and a whole bunch of other things. So those two substances combined together are going to be bringing you online. Like they're charging up all of that cellular network and also giving those cells a voltage. Like we've been diving pretty deeply into the voltage of the cells. And the average cell will have like a 40 millivolt charge, anywhere between 20 and 200 millivolt charge, it's measured as a minus charge because the inside of the cell has a negative charge compared to the outside of the cell. However we're made up. So if every cell has that charge, that cell membrane potential, and we're made.

Up of 37 trillion cells, that's just an ungodly number.

Yeah, so most of those cells are operating in ins, in isolation. So it's not like we can take that 37 trillion cells and times it by 40 millivolts to get like this 1 trillion voltage charge inside of our body. It would be electrocuting people all the time. However, as we take these superconductive substances that are inducing conduction and these emissions of coherent light, then we are actually getting that intercellular communication and that charge will build up. And once we have certain charge and voltage in our cell membrane potential, then we're operating in a totally different space. So our biochemistry changes, our internal bio circuitry changes, which is all the microtubules, the meridians, the nadis, and then our bioenergy Field changes as well, because our instrument, our antenna, is operating at a different frequency, so it can pull different information from the field. And so that toroidal field that every human being is emitting has a whole bunch more, let's say, toroidal energy working through it, which has a different interaction with different channels, if you will. So you have a whole different level of inspiration and ideas available to you. So you're out of that kind of survival way of being, and you're operating with higher processes, and you're operating in that flow state of life again, which is really how we're all meant to be existing.

What is the toroidal energy of which you speak?

Yeah, so every single part of matter actually has a toroidal field, whether it's a cell and again, a microtubule is actually a little Taurus that exists in every single cell or our body. So the toroidal. The singularity, which is the center of a toroidal field, that's actually the heart. And so you'll see, like it talked about in the. That's when we say the vital body, we're talking about the light body and the bioenergetic field that exists outside of what we can see physically. So instead of the seven or eight chakra points that we know of inside the body, it extends out to 12. And if that field is really healthy and vital from a hardware and software perspective, from a biochemistry perspective, then it's like a chamber. It's like a resonant chamber that can then interact with the environment around us in a totally different way.

I mean, it literally sounds like, when you describe it, the ultimate code for human upgrade. And we talked about a year ago, genetic liberation. So we actually launched part and parcel of being inspired by you guys and our buddy Mark Groves, because he wrote a book called Liberated Love. I just kept getting this word liberation sent to me. You ever just get words sent to you or concepts sent to you, like, where is this coming from? I'm getting it from, like, all these different sources. And so we launched the Liberated Life Tribe, and we got liberatedlife.com which, by another grace of God, I got for, like, a very beautiful price. And it just worked out magically. It was all this money, and I got it for less. So this Liberated Life Tribe is where we're actually in process of liberating all these five sides of ourself, including the physical, which is really where a lot of the gold, I think, helps us to upgrade and up level, but also the mental, spiritual, emotional, and financial. Like, there's five parts that we're mastering here on Earth. And if we're not continuously, not frenetically, but if we're not continuously in mastery or in the masterful process of being the best version of those five parts of self, it's really challenging to not get sucked down into the muck and have the Matrix run your fucking life there. Like you said earlier, it's like where we put our attention, where we put our energy, that's where our life is going to dictate the path that we walk. And so it's not simple. I'm not saying that it's like a light switch that we flick and all of a sudden we're healed, but it's these little micro choices. Well, this might be a macro choice, honestly, because food is an input that if we don't eat food ever, unless you're a Breatharian, then we, most of us would pass. If we don't breathe, we would pass. If we don't drink water, we would pass. But I guess what I'm getting at is like there's this mastery process that we're all in. And if we're not committed to that mastery process, I believe, I'm curious how y' all feel. I believe it's almost impossible to be truly liberated.

Yeah, that's the great divide. That's what I see.

Like it's the Grand Canyon.

Yeah, it's the great divide that's happening right now. It's like, it's like what you're saying again, it's wherever we're going to put our attention on. And like that liberation is the most important part. And I feel like with the gold and you know, genetic liberation and liberated life, they all come from the same space. Liberation on, putting all of your attention on, on that part is so important because you'll get carried away downstream with the rest of the stuff and it's all fear based. Yeah. So the moment that you and I just look at that liberation, when you're talking about those, those five points, it's like you're just upgrading the software. And that's. And that's where a lot of that, I see that software so clearly now is where all that illness comes from. Yep. Because it's oscillating at such a low, low like millivolts. That's where sickness fries from. And that's where a lot of the mutation of cells come from. And then you oscillate higher as David's saying that that blueprint has access to more information. And that's what nature shows us completely there's no interference when you talk about Zach is that talks about that mycelium a lot. There's such a coherent communication with mycelium and we're just another being of that. So it's really, really important to liberate yourself. And that comes back to that self responsibility and accountability back to oneself. And the only thing for that is liberation.

That's it. It's interesting. In Greek mythology, there's the river Lethe that they talk about in the ancient text. And it's where we all drink from the river of forgetfulness. So we forget on purpose who we are. And then we come through this life passage, this game, and we remember who we are. Which you've touched on a few times. I feel like we're right there at the edge of the stream or the river. And the older I get, the more wise that I get. I'm definitely not perfect. I don't have the game perfectly mastered. I'm in the mastery process. The wiser I get just comes from me knowing that I don't know much. It's like the more that I know, the more I realize I don't know much. And it's just this continuous humbling process. Have y' all felt this? Like the more you gather, the more you know, it becomes almost a higher level of decoding and deciphering what is true objectively and subjectively versus what I'm being told. It's easy to get caught in the stream is what I'm saying. It's easy to forget that we drank from a river of forgetfulness.

Yeah, we laugh about this often and it's attempting to get finite answers from the infinite. So it's actually definition of something impossible.

Yeah.

However, our science wants to box something and say we've figured something out, but because the source of that information is infinite, it's changing. So as soon as we figure something out, it's changing with our consciousness. But Josh, it's the year of the Dragon and there's an invitation to liberation right now on the planet. So liberation really is that invitation to access those higher processes to access, like to utilize the nano gold to light up the body, to illuminate the cellular network and, and increase that quotient of light in our body so that can we can be one with source, with the field. And you know, liberation doesn't necessarily mean, you know, all the answers.

Oh, definitely not.

It actually means that you surrender into that flow state, understanding that we are eternal and infinite and just being grateful for what we do have at the moment. So that. That. That to me is like the most peaceful experience that we can come across is not to find answers to things, but to actually realize there isn't answers. And we don't need answers because what that means is that we are infinite and eternal, and that's the one true thing we really want. Like, that's. That is the only answer.

Yeah. The answer is that there is no ultimate answer besides where the answer even comes from itself, which is infinity, which is a space where there's no thing and everything at the same time. To quote our mutual friend Paul. Check. Right. The origin of God is all things and no things at the exact same time. Which is such a mind melter.

The funny piece with that.

Right?

Because the mind always wants to try and box something or create a finite answer to something. That's. That's what science is.

Yeah. Right now I feel like there used to be a very big bifurcation between spirit and science, and now I feel like it's coming closer together. In other words, science and spirit are more harmonious now than they've ever been. I actually think the COVID theater was a fucking blessing. I really do, you know, and I give homage to those that lost their lives. And, you know, that's not easy to. To swallow. So I'm not disrespecting those lives or even the. The challenges and the fear and the child abuse and just the insanity that was going on as people were forced. Well, they were coerced, and they believed that that was the truth. They had to stay home. But now we're in this totally new game where science and spirit are actually migrating back together. They're coming back home together. And that's what this is. I mean, obviously this is a very deeply spiritual path, and you're still leveraging science, so you found a way to marry the two, which is amazing. And I wonder, like, have you ever even. I was thinking about this as you were talking. Have you ever measured this with the Hawkins scale? You talked about millivolts earlier. I wonder, for the black, the white, and the 24 karat. It's 24 karat, correct?

Yes.

So there's three levels of the gold. How is that helping to infuse science and spirit? And have you measured that? Is it purely just millivolts, or has there been any hertz measurement, like a frequency scale of the three different types of gold?

Totally. So I'll start with the yellow gold, because that's in a nanometer form. So. Nanometer form. So you've got atomic, mono, atomic, A gold atom has a radius of like a quarter of a nanometer. And so once you get up to 10nm, you've basically got a cluster of around 40 gold atoms. So you go from the atomic world to the nano world. And in the nano world, gold and substances act totally differently to what it would in its metallic form. So as an example, it's bioavailable and it's used a lot in medicine. As I said, if you look up plasmon resonance or surface plasmon resonance, that's where they're subjecting gold nanoparticles to waveforms of light and then expressing that waveform of light in cells to assist with all kinds of medical applications. So at 10nm for gold, it has a very different expression to 100nm of gold. And those expressions are the gold's actually different colors as well. So at 10nm it's red. At 100nm it's purple. And red is the lowest frequency color in our visible spectrum. Purple's the highest frequency color in our visible spectrum. So it's going through all of the colors of the rainbow between 10 and 100 nanometers. And those colors are representing different frequencies. So the red is around 400 terahertz and the purple's around 800 terahertz. So that's an example of, of the frequencies of the substances that are in minor gold. Yeah.

And then the black and the white obviously have a different use case. Like the medium of transport is different. I mean, why did you choose the three, three levels? Because it seems like they all do very specific, different things. Or is it complementary? How does that work?

Yeah, they're different and complementary. It's, we affectionately call the ocean plasma and almost white gold. Science wouldn't call it gold. And same with shilajit. So shilajit is called black gold by the indigenous and administrated as medicine in those high mountain regions. However, Obviously the, the 24 karat gold is what science recognizes as gold.

Yeah.

So the collaboration of the three again is, it's the, the ocean plasma is all of that electrical charge from the ocean in the most concentrated form we can find. And we put that through a three year solar evaporation process to adjust those mineral ratios. The shilajit's the same from the plant world. It's the most concentrated micronutrients we can find. And then the gold in this nanometer size is bioavailable and is actually, as I mentioned earlier, it's inducing coherent Biophotonic light emissions at the genetic and cellular level, which has the ability to like reprogram the conditioning of our genetic code in the DNA and also in our bring more light into our cells, which is increasing that light quotient again. And the body's intelligent enough to know when it gets to a certain light quotient that it literally transforms into a new human species. And all of these things we're talking about with our biochemistry or internal bio circuitry or that bio energetic field, that Taurus is then operating in a totally different, in a totally different way. It's operating at a totally different frequency. And our experience here on Earth, even though it's the same physical world, we're having a totally different experience of the reality.

The way we relate to life is fundamentally different because. And I want to play advocate, I don't like that phrase, devil's advocate. I don't want to be an advocate, but I want to be other side advocate. So in this sachet that I'm holding up, if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify, there's not a lot in here, it's a very small dose, but it's so potent and powerful that I think advocate side thinking would be, well, how is something that small really going to help me? I would say look at its opposite, because I always think opposites can be a really powerful teacher. A tiny speck of arsenic can kill you or make you very sick. This 0.13 ounces of the gold can start to literally reprogram yourself, your cells, your being. So I think if you just look at the opposite of what this might be, which this is health or ease. The dis. Ease doesn't matter is my point. Doesn't matter how small something is, as long as the concentration or the life force energy inside of it can actually produce a desired result. So I'd love to actually try this if you guys are open. This is the first time I've ever tried this.

We should do it. And even though you say it doesn't seem like there's much more in there, I'll just give you an example of how much is in there from a nano gold perspective. So there's 5 milligrams of 24 karat nano gold in every sachet. And as far as particles, that actually translates to 10 to the power of 13 nanometer size gold particles in every sachet, which is trillions and trillions of nano gold particles in 24 karat form that can all be tested in laboratory.

All right, so it's A lot of zeros.

It's a lot.

Many zeros up in there.

And it almost comes back to what we're saying about that mind. The mind really wants to come in and start playing, too. Like, it really. It wants to have a finite answer. And it's really interesting because we spend a lot of time over the years on this specific product, and it's like the mind will always play its part, and knowing that, that's always going to happen. And it's almost like that advocate. I like the way that you put that. The advocate's always going to be there.

Yeah.

And it's a beautiful. By beautiful design, too. That has to be.

It's a protector.

Yeah. Because if we sit in biases all the time, like, you know, we'll just be spinning on our own axes all the time. So. Yeah, I love those questions because, you know, we. We sit in the. In the space for the gold a lot and. And do a lot of R D on ourselves, more so than anything else. So it's great that you get to try it here with us. It's awesome.

Yeah. This is the first time, 10 plus years in the making.

Yes.

This moment, y'.

All. Okay. I love how you just take it straight out of the sachet.

I can feel the electricity in that thing. I can. It's. It's salt of the earth. It's literally salt of the earth. I love that my. That my teeth, like, make little marks. And the gold is so cool. And I actually, I'm sure you guys have seen this, but my friend Johnny, who we're gonna have dinner with tonight, he told me if you squeeze it like this, you can get a little more out.

Johnny's very raw.

The whole sachet.

Yeah. Wow.

Dietary gold. I don't know if I've ever heard that phrase dietary gold. I mean, look, we've seen the unconscious version of this where you go to Vegas and a hamburger is covered in a gold flake. Right. That is not what we're talking about, y'.

All.

This is a totally. This is a totally different part of gold. You know, one thing I've always loved about you guys is your generosity. Earlier, you shared that, you know, there's really no such thing as competition in this space. The. The thing that I've even on zoom calls you've mentioned.

Yeah.

You know, if somebody takes what we're doing and they amplify it. Good, good. Because then we're just bringing more light to people, and I think that is so rare. I mean, gold is very rare. Silver is very rare. This way of being very rare. I wonder where that comes from inside of you. Is it. Is it heart? Is it an awareness? Is it a combination of the two? Because most people in business, they're like, I'm going to get ip, I'm going to hold it within. Nobody's going to copy me. I make people sign, you know, NDAs, blah, blah, blah. It's just not the conversation with you guys. It's just not even part of the convo. So where does that tether? So if the gift is you stewarding, where does it tether to? There's something that it tethers to.

I'm laughing and Dave's laughing at the same time. This is. This is. There's two sides to this, is if someone can physically go and do what we did.

Yeah.

And that, like that Genesis story and that hero's journey to get the product and then physically and manufacturing and producing the product and what we've gone through to get that sachet into your mouth, like, I would applaud them.

More power to them.

Yeah, totally. And. And it's like. But there's also like, because. Because shilajit and fulvic acid and humic acid have been around for a long time and the accessibility to them, it's greater and there's a bigger market for them now. I think it's great because that means that everyone's getting an up regulation of humic and fulvic acid. That's awesome. The more people turned on is great. It doesn't help, like, selfishly, from a business point of view, they're not. No one's taking from us because it's infinite in its supply, first of all. And if we think in a competition space, like, it doesn't allow for more things to flow in for us, as you know, we're always in that space of, you know, daily improvements on everything that we do. And if we just focus in on that, we can offer the best that we can and someone else comes along and does something, copies it and does it better. That's incredible because that's like. That's evolution at its best. And we laugh like when people, you know, sometimes we work with contractors and sometimes we. Some internal sectors. It's like, oh, you have to have to do this under IP and do this. And we just start laughing and we go, why? Like, why? And it's. It's an important thing that we've got to hold. And it's interesting, us moving through that space now more in those lot of leadership Spaces and that sort of questioning ourselves from a leadership point of view. But, you know, stewardship. Stewardship and leadership is the same thing for me with this. So, yeah, competition is. Is another thing, is that as soon as that word gets mentioned, it's almost like a lower vibration and it's sort of. It's in that lower space where we've come from. I don't think that's the path that we need to go on.

Yeah, yeah. That was so powerful. You had to move the mic. No, I mean, like, legit powerful. Before we switched on the recording, we were chatting and I said, have you heard of, you know, John Mackey, the author of Conscious Capitalism? I feel like there's this old adage of unconscious capitalism that's. That's dismembering and decaying. It's. It's kind of burning to the ground, which I think is a good thing. But we have influencers and leaders out there that will literally say things like, I'm here to crush the competition. And it's like, yeah, when I hear that it's low vibe, but it's more than low vibe. I actually think it's harmful. I don't think that we should be trying to kill or maim or crush our competition because they have children and they're sold just like us. So I think that's just completely the wrong type of thinking and speaking. And, you know, I'll ask you the same. Like, it's tethered to something. So you articulated that really well, so well that the mic shook and the table shook. But. But for you, the tether is. Is very deeply spiritual. Like, I remember the first call we ever had. I was. I felt like you're looking into my fucking soul. Like, you have a very. You don't blink a lot. You're very. You have a piercing presence. So there's something in you that I don't even know, by the way, if you even thought about this, but this is how deep I like to go. Because connected to that tether is some type of divine wisdom, some type of maybe even unexplainable wisdom inside of you. How might you. Maybe not perfectly or imperfectly perfect. How might you explain that, what this leadership is tethered to for you?

Yeah. I mean, firstly, kind of, it's an obsession in creating the best product. And I'll give you four examples of something in this product. I mean, I don't even think about competition. We don't have a business plan. We don't have, like a competitor analysis or anything. Like that. Back to Brad's point. I feel like we've put so much love and attention into this product and the four examples I'll give you. So our ocean plasma is produced over three years. Our Ormus is produced using a resonant vortex device that I built with my hands. Our flavoring in here, Chai, is made by an ayurvedic professor of 50 years that does it by hand over 10 weeks. And then the nano gold that's in here, I mean, we just added $330,000 worth of gold by hand into this production run last Thursday. So if anybody else has that level of love or that level of intuition to be able to find out specifics to those formulas and has that guidance, they absolutely deserve to create the absolute best product that they can and share that with the world and see what the feedback is. And because we're so passionate about what's in this, the more people that share these sacred nutrients and frequencies with the planet, honestly, the better. We can't service everybody. Like, you know, we can only access so many people, and we're going to touch such a small amount of people with what we can supply.

Even hundreds of millions, best case.

Right?

Hundreds of millions would be great, but there's 9 million lives on the planet Earth. 9 billion lives on the planet.

Yeah. And we've been super guided by the elements and spent a lot of time in meditation, and it's my understanding that these kind of nutrients are going to come a lot more abundant. And to be honest with you, Josh, like, if thousands of companies started selling ocean plasma and almost and Shilajit and nano gold tomorrow, it would be such a beautiful sign to me of the time that we're in and that that truth is piercing through, that nothing more would light me up on the planet right now because I'd be like, wow, a lot of this fear and suffering and separation would just be dissolving so much faster. So the quicker we can get to that space, the better.

Kind of makes me want to cry. It's just the, the level of depth of love that you're speaking about. It's so beautiful. And I, I said this many times on the podcast, like, I could not give two shits about being famous. I don't care about being famous. I don't need fame. I just want to be as well known as I can to continue my mission. Yes, that's it. That's. That's what this table, this wisdom table, that's what we want. Can we get this? So share this right now, wherever you're watching, wherever you're listening, because this can truly change someone's life, figuratively, emotionally, spiritually, all the ways, because the building blocks of who we are. And so if we've had those blocks taken out, unfortunately, mindlessly by modernity, I think a lot of these building blocks have been removed, maybe even conspiratorially, you would say they've been removed on purpose, which is a whole other podcast. The only answer to any of this is more love. And it's easy to say that. It's very challenging at times because of the soup that we're in, to actually apply. Apply that and to live that and be that. And I wonder, too, this next phase that you're both stepping into and myself being a part of it, you know, in full transparency, like, I'm a partner, because I love this and I believe in this, and I. I take this. It's part of my. My family. I haven't given it to my children yet, by the way, because I didn't know. I wanted to wait till this podcast to ask, is gold safe for children? Is. Is the product line safe for children? Is it maybe a smaller dose? Like, how do you make sense of that for parents? That's the next generation of beings that will have better building blocks.

It absolutely is. And. And, you know, the gold recipe comes from the Essenes in the Egyptians, and they were giving it to their children in early brain development, where they were developing with more light. So they had much higher IQs. They were a totally different consciousness. Yeah. So through antiquity, it's absolutely been used for that purpose.

Did you find this in some ancient religious text? I mean, was it in, like, an abacus somewhere or how did you even come across this information? Like, that's fascinating to me. Hieroglyphics on a wall in Egypt.

I mean, all of that.

All of it, all of that.

So this is the skinny. So there's literally. Oh, my phone's over there. I've had the hieroglyph for mana on my phone for the last decade.

All right. It's on the screen right now. The hieroglyph.

Yeah.

Putting it on the screen.

And the pyramid of it, or the. The triangle is showing, like, a high angle of repose, showing that it's, like, pointing to a very high frequency. So, yeah, it's a combination of going through temples in Egypt. It's a combination of sleeping at the Dead Sea and being exposed to a lot of the information from the Essenes and the Dead Sea Scrolls. So, yes, sacred text, meditation Again, learning things from the elements, spending times, spending time sitting with masters that are currently alive at the moment that have activated their light body, that have been taking the goal for 10 years. And they have a charge now within their cellular biology where they're immune from disease. And so yeah, it's a combination.

See, this is fascinating to me. I'd love to go here. Next, I think about the appetite and appetite suppression system in the body. So leptin is released when, you know, we're full and ghrelin is released when we're hungry. And so if we're not sleeping enough, if our building blocks are removed, if our body is essentially way out of homeostasis because of lifestyle or pollutants or EMF or you name it, then we're more likely to reach for unhealthy things because we're really just wanting to find peace. So I wonder, and it's not a direct question, but maybe it is. There's got to be some component to weight loss and the ormus, the shilajit and the gold, because you're essentially bringing yourself back to homeostasis without too many calories. Right. Could this take the place of a meal? This isn't medical advice. None of this is right. This isn't dietary advice. But it sure is fun to talk about because I think about how many choices I used to be. 280 pounds, I used to be very, very overweight. And when I traced it back in many plant medicine ceremonies, it all came from just not feeling loved, going through trauma. My mom was bipolar, my dad left early. And by the way, I love y', all. You did the best you could with the level of consciousness you have. So there's nothing but love there yet. That created a cascade in my nervous system that I am still at 44, still repairing in certain ways. And I wonder from a weight loss perspective. I don't know if there's hard science on this or not, but to me it's just, it's a no brainer. Like I, I can see it. If my system is more centered and more homeostatic, then I'm going to be less likely to eat extra calories or to have high levels of ghrelin. Which makes me, I, I gave, I've read data, if you have elevated ghrelin, you can eat upwards to 500 more calories per day. So I wonder how that works out with the sheila, Jeet, the ormus and the gold.

Yeah, I feel like that once you start talking like that, it's definitely an upstream, downstream Value.

It seems like it.

Yeah, totally. And the upstream of that is. It comes back to the computer again. Right. The analogy that we've been using is once that software is exposed and going online and then updated with a charge, I feel like some of those emotional dopamine and serotonin hits for eating will subside.

Yeah.

So I think it's because they're more stress based. Yeah, totally.

Hunger. It's stress based hunger.

Totally. And it's almost like what you were saying about coffee before, right. Coffee is just like turning a light switch on, whereas taking something like minerals is the sun's rising in perfect harmony. So it's almost like everything's working in harmony versus like an external stimulant sending you straight on.

Yeah.

So it's exactly what the minerals are doing for the software. So the conductors, the superconductors, everything's coming online where it needs to in perfect harmony. It's like that mineral wheel or the mineral chart. There's specific minerals that operate in harmony. So like vitamin D and calcium work incredible together. So it's almost like everything starts to work in harmony versus it's like back to dissonance and resonance. When we're in resonance in our life, that serotonin and, you know, those dopamine receptors, you know, they're actually working perfectly how they should be. But as soon as we're out of alignment, you know you're going to reach for the donor. You're gonna. Because you need that hit. It's about stimulation again. And it's like once you get all those building blocks of life or those raw materials that you have in the fulvic and humic acid and. And the ocean plasma, you don't necessarily need that. And I know for myself I don't need a lot of that stuff anymore.

Yeah.

So it's interesting that you bring it up. Yeah, it's great. It's. It's a great process to go.

I mean, it's like, it's hard to claim direct weight loss component to the fulvic and the minerals and everything in the mana. But you know, it's there. It's like this is anecdotally speaking, like I. So I've lost £20 since we podcasted. A huge piece of this. I know is mana. I can't medically say that it is, but I feel it because I haven't drank coffee for so long. I had one coffee in Iowa on a business trip. It destroyed me. Wow. It absolutely destroyed me. I was a raging asshole. I was not a Good dude to be around. And when I get back to my processes, like having the mana, having the paraxanthine, having clean water, being at home, not being on a freaking airplane, you know, like, there's certain things that just kick me out of center. I really notice it. I mean, I noticed when I got back from traveling that there was this pull in my system to go eat more food. When I got home, I'm like, no, I ate. I don't need more. So I made a conscious decision to not eat extra food. Of course, part and parcel, I take the mana. I take my other supplements on the plane. So it's like I can see it. But I wonder, have you had people write in, talk in, you know, has anybody said this? I know you can't say medically that it happens, but anecdotally, have y' all seen this?

Yeah.

The weight loss component, it's got to be real.

100 and it's Damana's doing something else. We don't talk about it too often, but because it's improving, that bioenergetic field that we touched on before is actually interacting with our higher dimensional template in a very, let's say, in a way where there's less resistance and less interference. Because again, we're removing the interference within our bio circuitry. So we're becoming more conductive, more superconductive. And that higher dimensional template, when we can interface closer with that, that higher dimensional template plate is the correct weight. So it makes sense that we start to align with that from a weight perspective as well. And we've had tons of feedback.

Yeah.

Of people losing weight.

It makes sense. I don't know if you all know this, but I used to be a Mercedes Benz technician, so that was my first trade out of high school. And I love what I do now. I was not honoring my gifts then. I do enjoy learning how things work, which is why I do enjoy learning about science. And like, this podcast I know for all of us is interesting because these are things that normally, you know, we don't talk about, and they're really fun to learn. But if I remember when I was a mechanic that if a car had a drivetrain that had too much friction, or if a car had a tire that was out of alignment, if something was out of complete, how it was built, how out of complete center for that vehicle, when it came off the factory line, the gas mileage would go down. And so if we were to look at the body as a car, if we're not sleeping, if we're Being polluted upon and bathing in EMF and all these different things. Could there be one way to just course correct everything or at least put us on that path? I think so. You know, we get our vehicle aligned, we fix the drivetrain, we remove essentially the friction, is what I'm saying. We remove the friction from the vehicle and then now it's operating without so much fuel. I think the body's the same way. When we remove the friction from the body and all the synergistic systems that bring us to center in homeostasis, it seems to me, I wonder how y' all feel. It seems to me that we just don't need as many calories, we don't need as much food that we thought we did because it was all being driven by either stress eating or just us being out of alignment in many ways.

Yeah. It's a cellular charge. Like, it's like a battery. Like that battery's gotta have like a negative charge. Like the cell battery's gotta have a negative charge. And if that's operating like it's always downstream, upstream, downstream. If that negative charge is at a low capacity, the gears are going to be grinding harder somewhere else and taking, you know, taking. Taking so much than it needs to, in perfect harmony. Comes back to that harmony again as well. So. Yeah, I totally agree. I feel like that it. It's so obvious now.

Yeah.

To me.

Yeah.

That, you know, we have to have. You know, when you go through those airports and when you're talking about airports, going through those airports over the last couple of weeks, you. It just taxes your body. And then when you're in the air, you're in like this aluminium or this, like metallic.

We're in a tube. 30 grand in the sky.

Yeah.

It's like we're not designed for that.

We're not designed. We're not designed for that.

We're definitely not.

So there's such an impact of that sort of electromagnetic fog and that body electric gets such a hammering.

Yeah.

That almost that battery just goes right to low. And the first thing you need to do is reset that battery. And it's almost like grounding, you know, getting your feet in the ground. And it's like those, those neurons need to be charged. Charged up against all those electrons. So the electrons are the things that are positive, like negatively charged and, you know, going for an ocean swim versus being in a chlorine pool, like. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a total difference. Dude.

The very first thing I did when I got home, because I felt like this unground. Almost like my skin was crawling when I got home. I think as I've. As I've consumed more mana and as I've led my life in a certain way, I just become more sensitive to things where maybe before I was blunted, to go back to that blunted conversation we were talking about. And so, yes, I did my mana. I had my Zen spray, I had my supplements, which mana is like the centerpiece of the stack. If I don't take them on in the morning, I absolutely notice it. And then when I get home, it's like 8 o' clock at night. I'm traveling all day. It was actually 9 o' clock at night. The first thing I did was like, I just breathed and I put my feet in the grass in our yard. I didn't even go in the house yet because I want to bring that energy to Carrie and my children. Wow. And it made a huge difference just by taking three minutes. Like, it doesn't have to be so hard is what I'm sharing, I think with the demands of modernity and all the ways in which many professionals listening or watching are like, well, how am I supposed to make this practical? It can be three minutes, it can be five minutes. I mean, taking a sachet is 10 seconds, you know, so it doesn't have to be so hard, is what I'm saying. What are other ways that you guys see where society or people have been trained to make things way harder than they actually are? There's got to be one prime example that pops up for you. Like, it doesn't have to be this hard.

A lot of the technology, to me, like, a lot of the centers that are being put together now where they have different technologies in them, whether it's bioresonance devices or different light devices, they've got a purpose. And I think people that need acute therapy, it can be really powerful. Or people in cities that don't have access to nature, really powerful. I mean, we're super blessed. Myself, I live near the beach, so get heaps of natural light, get the feet on the sand and get in the ocean. Those things are so beautiful because you're connecting in with nature and they're all free. And the beautiful thing with nature's expression of light as an example, is it's full spectrum. So you're not just getting one particular wavelength that can throw the body out of balance. If that's not what you need, you're giving it access to all the different wavelengths. And the body's intelligent enough to know what it needs from that. So yeah, for me it's going back to a lot of those natural practices, natural processes and you know, one of the tricks of the mind is creating all these man mind manned man made technologies and man made concepts that we think is the new answer. Again, totally. However, I think it's just overcomplicating what's already available for free in nature.

I'm with you. I do enjoy like a sauna space or a good sauna or a cold plunge, like, but in a way I'm mimicking nature directly because maybe if I was standing outside in the Texas summer, it would be a sauna or if I plunged in a creek, then that's what my body would feel. But yeah, you're right. It's like even a lot of these devices like the trackers and the Fitbits and the, the wearables, it's almost outsourcing in a way. Our internal locus of control. Like we all have an internal locus that can be trained or blunted over time. And if you look at behavioral psychology, like some of BJ Fogg's work or near Ayal's work, it's always, our behavior is always judged off of some kind of variable reward. So we get a reward and then that's what dictates the next step in our behavior. To me, the biggest report card for the next step in my behavior is how I feel. Like how I feel in my body. That's what drives addiction and that's what drives connection, is the way that people feel. But they're so disconnected from the way they feel because of so many of the things we've talked about already. I mean, whether it's pornography or shopping or workaholism or drug use, like all these things are such traps. And like my heart, I was addicted to pornography for 20 plus years. Like my, I was just literally living in this low vibrational state. And honestly the only thing that got me out of it was pain. It was by feeling the pain that I had suppressed for so long that now I have shorter cycles of pain. I still go through pain because I'm a human, but the cycles of pain don't last as long. In other words, they're not as severe. Have you guys felt this in your own lives? The more you start to stack the environment in your favor, communing with nature, taking the fulvic and the minerals and the mana and just these are all micro decisions, sometimes macro, that almost build a really beautiful scaffolding around ourselves to where we're honestly Just we can't be fucked with. We can't be fucked with as hard by the clutches of modernity because we've taken all these steps to build up our scaffolding. Have you all felt this in your lives?

Yeah. It's interesting. Dave and I have been talking about this a lot over the last couple of months and it's almost like the reduction or like the sub, subtract subtraction of stuff instead of like wanting more is like letting go of more. And just the subtlety in that, it's quite huge because it's almost like it's what Dave's saying. It's like we need more things to like stimulate ourselves. Or this new machine or this, this new device or this latest tracking app. Yeah, I think it's like letting go of more of that and getting more into like the less of is is potentially better because it comes back to there's less interference and there's less noise. And where there's sort of noise there, the mind's going to be playing its little tricks. It's you know, leaving the phone behind, going for a walk. And you know, Dave and I are pretty competitive on our steps every day and it's one of those things. But leaving the, the tracker and the, and the phone back is, is something that putting that attention on it is powerful because you need less instead of needing more. And I think that's where you gain more power.

See, but what you're touching on is that when you become more liberated as to which you speak, you can't be as monetized totally. You can't be as monetized by the companies that are waiting on the sidelines for you to think that you need their stuff.

Yeah, it's both because you understand that that's the play as well. And once you see that there's specific psychology in marketing and what, yeah, what those stimuli for yourself personally and how you react to those stimuli is really important too. So it comes back to like the understanding of how you interact with that as well is powerful and knowing who you are a lot more. But you can only do that by immersing yourself in nature, becoming a lot more still, you know, you know, doing retreats where there's nothing instead of a lot of vipassana is, you know, a silent retreat that's super powerful as well. And depending on, you know, a stage of your life is something that it's an invitation for everyone to go on.

Are you going to do the dark retreat?

No, I feel like I want to go back and do another vipassana retreat because yeah, it was such a powerful experience and it was the most powerful experience I did for myself. Yeah, it was that one of those experiences that you can always, it like marinates because it always comes back to you, you know, and it's like we laugh about it often. It's, it was brutal, but passion is brutal. Yeah, it is, it is, but it's so beautiful and I feel like there's a, there's so much power and pushing yourself into silence or you know, the lack of stimulation. And I had such an awakening and only after years and years and years of deep research and understanding around the goals and you know, what the actual physiological happenings of like all the energetic systems when you don't have any, you know, phones or news or, you know, any other external stimulation. Yeah, you did not go into the gym, you're not seeing your friends. And, and what happened to my physiology was like that, that movement of energy from my base or my sacrum all the way up through my energy centers and it shot straight out, out of my head. It was like this energetic like release and it knocked me completely out at, at when I was going to sleep. And after all the research, what we do with the gold now, it's like there's a certain part of a cycle in, in your, like your sun and moon, in that 28 day cycle of a month that if you're in the right environment, without meat or alcohol or any external stimulation, the body actually starts this like ascending and descending movement within the spinal fluid. So it's a really thing that we can actually dive into a little bit deeper probably on the next podcast.

It sounds like a spiritual alchemist podcast.

Yeah, totally. And it's, it's only now through that extensive research and that extensive attention that we're putting on, on this process that yeah, it was, it was something that's truly enlightening.

I, I was thinking this probably three or four times as we've been talking about the gold. I did two vision quests with a brother, Mark Tollefson and Tim Kilcoren. And the one part of the Native American way of vision questing that I think if they were with us now, the origin, the initial creators of the vision quest, they would actually say bring the mana with you because what happens is especially like regular everyday people, they're used to so much being in the body from a caloric perspective and maybe even they're getting some nutrients from that food, not the base building blocks. I would say that if our ancestors were Alive that created vision quests. They would say, bring the mana with you because it's not going to take away from your fast. And actually some of the profound spiritual healing and awareness and true, true, true connection with God that I've had laying on my back on like day three of not eating food and just water only just a complete, like you had said, alchemical process, a reorganization of me out there in the forest. If I were to have a superconductor in my system and be removed from modernity and be in connection with God and getting the healing of nature, that's the kind of synergy stack I want. That's the biggest biohack I could ever imagine. Because I'm getting everything I need and nothing that I don't. That's the simplification process. So, Tim, Mark, I'm sending this to you. We'll link those in the show notes as well. Because I really feel like our ancestors would say, take the mana with you. I mean, what do you feel? I think they would probably say that all tradition gets to be evolved. We don't want to just do tradition just because it's tradition. I think if, if we're really connecting to our ancestors, they may say the same.

Totally agree. Yeah. I feel like our, our body and our instrument traditionally would have some of these substances inside of it. It's almost like it's a forgotten process or a forgotten alchemy. The nano gold particles is a really good example from the research we've done. Like the divine expression of the human instrument produces gold nanoparticles in our sexual fluids and we can bring them up that spinal column into the pineal gland and that can open like a flower and then start secreting a substance called amrita. And just a few drops of that can sustain the entire human vehicle. However, through our genetics and our lives that we've had on the planet, like the density of the cycle that we're coming out of, a lot of those processes have been forgotten. So yeah, I feel like being. And that's one of the things the gold's doing is it's re entraining the body to remember to create those substances again. So, yeah, to your point, I think the indigenous and the elders back in the day would have loved the vehicle and the instrument to be as conductive and super conductive as possible. Yeah, because you're going to have that clearer and cleaner experience and communication with the field, which is the whole purpose for it. I mean, Brad and I have been taking the gold in its straight form and Tiny, tiny amounts, like 5 milligrams. And we've felt an aliveness and an alertness in a very grounded way. It's not like being high or anything like that.

Yeah.

But it feels super conductive from that bioenergetic field perspective. And so to be able to do that in an environment where you're fasting and you're just consuming good, structured water and you've got that time on your own and that time to create space, I. I believe it would be the most powerful thing you could do for yourself, because, again, you're tapping into your truth and creating deeper levels of experiential peace from that connection with the whole, with the all.

I mean, mic drop, man, you're going back to exactly how we started this pod and that was. We are drowning in information.

Yeah.

But we're starving for wisdom. And wisdom does not have to come out of a PDF or a book. Sometimes the most potent wisdom comes from being in communion with a tree or a rock or a stream. That's where real wisdom can come from, probably more times than not. But like you said, we overcomplicate things. And I think that goes back to the divisiveness of the mind. It's not like I want to demonize the mind, but definitely the mind works against me at times. And even with what we're doing now, as we move into the new property and thinking about the land, I was walking the property, you guys, and the first time I ever walked it, and the lady that was there, she had passed, and the land hadn't been kept up for, like, three years. And I'm walking the property and I'm pushing the tree branches out of the way, and I'm ducking under things, and I. And I come across this maybe, you know, hundred by 100 open space, and the sun is shining, it's pouring down, and I look down at my feet and I see this perfect deer skull just smiling at me, like, staring at me. And that's when I knew. I'm like, this land called us there so that we could actually bring it back to life. This land called us there because it's choking on its own decay. It's. It's choking on its own death. The ice storms and the tree branches and everything is just. It's choking the land. So I'm doing for the land what Mana is doing for me and what this podcast and what this conversation is doing for others. Can you see it? It's all the same clearing of death so that we can actually live and Then die a noble death.

That's.

That's the metaphysics of what I'm sharing. It's like out of all the places I could have walked, the very first time I'm walking the land, there's the perfect deer skull staring right at me with the horns and everything. So it's so wild if we're open to this magic and mystery, like what we can be shown. I mean, it makes me want to fucking scream, Hell yeah. Because. And maybe now the gold is getting into my system and it's. I can feel it or see it in real time. Like there's. I do feel quite a bit different. I mean, I already felt really great to see you guys and I knew this was going to be a bombshell podcast. But there is something too. Just making little decisions, being open to the magic and mystery, being in communion with nature, and then all of a sudden you're gifted an undeniable breadcrumb. Undeniable breadcrumb from God, that even if you tried to not make it mean something, it would be impossible. What comes up for y' all when I share that story? This. This removal of an early death and the inspiration or the induction of a life that's really earning a solid, honorable death.

Yeah. Just as you say that, that beautiful story. And what comes to me is like all wisdom is experiential. And yeah. I feel along my journey, you know, the journey that Dave and I have been on, the journey with Mana, it's like it has to be experiential. It has to be felt and that's the only way. You know, I love reading a good book and going down a good rabbit hole, but where my deepest and most incredible lessons have been has been through experience experientially. And that's been felt in the body. And I feel like what you just said is a beautiful representation of that.

How are we supposed to be it if we haven't lived it?

Exactly.

I just don't. It's not to discount younger people, but I just don't see how you could truly be an embodied 20 year old life coach. You know, it's not a diss against them. They're doing the best they can. But. But what you said just completely contraindicates people trying to fake it until they make it. It's just not. I don't think you can combine the two.

Yeah, well, I think having reverence of this is the greatest instrument, meaning the body that's ever been built. Like that's just in awe and wonder of. Of what's happening on, in the inside of us to connect to everything as well. So that's what inspires me about what we do, is that's where we put all of our attention. It's not only making the most incredible product that we can. So what's it doing to the inside or the cellular level? And what's it doing to that vital body? And you know, what information can we share that, you know, turns people on, like not only inside, but on the outside. And that's what gets me up every day. And that's what I'll just keep waiting through all the, and all the stuff that comes at me, it's like, oh, that's okay. Because I know that like every day we, we put our attention on that, we'll be okay.

Well said, man. This almost hyper awareness that you're describing, like you're seeing things from an expanded perspective. What's really fascinating, cool segue by the way, is this hypertonic. The hypertonicness of the minerals and some of the chemicals that are found in mana. Also I think about hypertrophy, right? Muscle growth, anything that's hyper, meaning it's expanding. So you talked about expanded consciousness and being of service. I talked about expanded awareness. Finding a deer skull, being hyperconnected to God. I feel like truthfully, energetically. But the hypertonic thing is interesting because it's not to. I'm not against the things like the elements or the solutions that give you sodium and potassium. These are all good things and they're moving us in the right direction. But hypertonic is something very specific to mana that I love. And it doesn't always mean that you have to have this huge 64 ounce jug of water to be electrolyzed to, to be satiated in that way. I wonder if you can speak to that. Because it's consciousness, it's muscle, it's everything. There's a hyper, there's an expansion here. It's really what we're talking about. The hypertonic thing's quite interesting.

Yeah, it's an interesting word. And, and, and our substances that are in the sachet, we actually call hypertonic, funny enough, because they are so concentrated, they're so expanded. An example of that, the ocean plasma. Like Keaton sells an ocean plasma. That's an amazing product. We love it. And they've got an isotonic and a hypertonic solution that isotonics 0.9%, which is very similar to our blood.

What's the difference between ISO and hyper?

So ISO just means normal.

Okay.

Hypo means to your Point expanded or concentrated.

Yeah.

So their hypertonic solutions 3.5%. So our hypertonic solutions 33%. Another way of saying that is it's 330,000 parts per million. And if you make it any more hyper than that, it solidifies into crystals. And the shilajit's very similar. Like our shilajit resin that comes from above 16, 000ft. If you leave that exposed to air or oxygen, it turns like concrete because it's a hypertonic solution. And the gold is obviously being pure 24 karat gold. It's hyper as well. So even though there's only 3.6 grams of substance in a sachet, each of those three different substances or ingredients are in such a hypertonic solution. We can't make them any more hypertonic without them solidifying. So, yeah, you can add it into 32 ounces of water and it's literally like a liquid crystalline solution that can then go into your. To your body and have that up regulation effect of all of those micronutrients plus the bioluminescence. And the beautiful part about that is it's bringing in more of those miracles that you're talking about. So, you know, when you see that skull or you have those alignments happening, that that to me is really one of the beautiful things about mana. And that invitation as well is life is miraculous. Like it's miraculous to have a life. However, when you're operating in these higher processes and in these higher frequencies, and the body has access to all of these different bio circuitries and the biochemistries come online, then you're in that natural flow state with the grace and ease of life itself. And it really can be experienced as a miraculous experience that it was meant to be. That's the true invitation for the period that we're heading into now. And it doesn't mean that it's always going to be that way, as Brad was talking about before. Like, there's so many different energies and components within our subconscious from this life past, life's genetics that need to be released so that we can actually have more moments in that miraculous flow state experientially. Even though we're always in that miraculous space from a higher observation. Yeah, there's a lot that needs to kind of come out for most of us in that subconscious way. But yeah, the miracle of life and that invitation is something that we're super passionate about. And the more of these micronutrients, the more that the biochemistry and the internal bio circuitry can be upregulated and have access to all of those different minerals, then the greater capacity we have to, I guess, accept that invitation in a coherent and resonant way.

Yeah.

Wow.

There's been so many bomb drops at this table, and that was a really beautiful one because. And I'll say this again, man, you have this interesting ability to blend science and consciousness and. Or spirituality. And for me, I just. I decided a long time ago that, like, everything's spiritual. Everything I do is spiritual. The way that I earn money, the way that I operate, in partnerships, business, romantic, friendship. Like, it's all spiritual. Yet there's been this division of, like, oh, well, I can have my logical self over here, and I can have my emotional and spiritual self over here. Can we just bring them all together? Can we literally just take all of it and put it in the hole? Because it's already there. Anyways, I wonder how y' all feel about this as we wind down. It's been such an incredible podcast, by the way, y'.

All.

It's on the screen. Josh 20, David and Brad, thank you for your generosity. You've been so generous this entire time, hooking us up with. By the way. It's not cheap to make this stuff. It's. It's hard to source. It's hard to source something at the bottom of the ocean, you know, on the coast of California and the bottom of the Dead Sea and the top of the Himalayan mountains. It's not easy to do that. So just super honoring your generosity to be able to gift this discount. It's Josh20. Go to JoshTrend.com Mana. It's on the screen now. I wonder how y' all feel about the. This cohesiveness and this coherence. You already talked about it. I feel like we're at this coherent point in the podcast where we've really weaved in and woven in so many, at first, audible or visual, disparate things, siloed things, but they're actually all working together. If we see them that way, if we articulate them that way. What did we miss? What do we miss about all the different science and spirit, about mana, and also how it interacts with us and how it's played out for you personally. We covered a lot of ground. We covered a lot of ground on this podcast.

We have.

What do we miss? What do we miss?

I mean, spirituality is. It's an interesting concept for me because that's all there is.

Like, yeah, totally.

Everything's emanating out of spirit and returning back to spirit, but when it Emanates out of spirit into the material world. It doesn't mean it's not spirit. It's just spirit experiencing itself through the physical. So it's an interesting concept. Spirituality, I think the word has probably had certain connotations around it which, which has considered it like the opposite of science, because spirituality kind of understands our infinite nature, whereas science is, is trying to box things and make things finite. And that's where the two kind of disagree. But I feel like they're the same thing. Spirituality can never not exist. And science is a beautiful example of us using the mind as a tool to play and like create things like mana or other products or other evolutions in our physical reality. So the. Both are. The both are incredible. And yeah, I mean, I guess the big thing for us is, is I feel like we combine them beautifully in the product. It doesn't get more scientific than the nano gold.

Oh yeah.

Having them produced in particular nanometer sizes, very particular lengths, very particular shapes, whether they're stars or cubic or spheres, very particular charges so that they can go into different areas of the body, pass through the blood brain barrier, get into our central nervous system and get into the receptors of our cells, creating more light and more energy with inside the vehicle. So that's a huge component of what we're talking about today is the combination or the, or the actual release of the mana gold. And you know, really our job with this, from my perspective, is just to make these incredible products available and then they have their own life force. It's not a competitive thing. If other people do it, that's amazing. But at least now they're available. The gold's available in a way that has never been released to the public before. So there's pseudo golds, there's colloidal golds. That's not what this is. This is 24 karat gold in a nanometer size that can pass through the blood brain barrier and have significant effects on. On our bio circuitry and biochemistry. So we feel super blessed to have access to that. We feel super blessed to be stewards of that. We're super humbled by it every day. And then we feel super blessed to be able to share it with people like yourself and cultivate and develop these relationships and share the good news. That's, that's really what we're here to do. And yeah, it's such a blessing to be able to do it. And yeah, we're just so grateful.

Well, the good news is that it's all spiritual. Yeah, that's more Good news. That's really amazing. Thank you, guys for what you do. It's been an insanely beautiful year since we chatted. It's also been a challenge, you know, to quote what I've quoted before. It's like Jung said, you know, you can't have the branches of a tree touch heaven unless the roots sometimes touch hell. And so I feel like it's been that. And I'm just really, really genuinely excited about where people can go by getting their coherence to actually connect by having the circuitry teach them things about themselves that maybe they never knew. Different awarenesses that they could not have grasped at a college or, you know, anywhere else besides hearing about on this podcast, sharing it with a friend, giving it a test run yourself. You don't know till you go buy the ticket. Take the ride. Like, take the ride, y'. All. I really implore you to give this a genuine shot. If you've been feeling in the doldrums, if you've been in a space in your life where maybe you've been taking a ton of supplements and nothing's really clicking, I think this could be a really missing piece as you've done a great job, both of you, scientifically and spiritually stating my number one question that I love since I was a little boy, and I would look around and I would say, why are all these adults angry? And, like, what is this interstitial tension that I feel all the time? It's just so. And then what came from that was this other question of, like, how do I live my life well? How do I be well? How do I. Now, I know it's, how do I earn the wisdom through life experience to live my life well? And I wonder, individually, we'll start with you. How do you live your life well, now, especially since we talked last, I don't. I forgot what you said last time.

Yeah, but.

But how do you. Now, a year later, how do you integrate the wisdom so that you can live your life well?

Yeah, it's almost like with an open heart and an open mind and open eyes. That's how I've been living. And it's testament to what we do every day. So, yeah, just to remain open, it's an easy thing to say, but to actually live it and hold it is a little bit different. But that's the challenge I set for myself, is just to be in an open space and an open, open heart and, you know, not to try and put too much attention on the negativity. Ne. Negativity. And the fear that comes through. But yeah, yeah, just open.

Well, when your eyes are open and you're open to all things, all your stuff may come up and that's a blessing. Right. Even though it doesn't feel like it in the moment.

Yeah.

If you're going to live your life that wide open, then you're going to see it all, you're going to experience it at all.

Yeah. And life is just an invitation for that. That's all it is. It's just an invitation and just to keep remembering it. That's all it is.

Well said. Well said. What do you think? How do you. Now you're almost a year and a few months later. Has anything changed for you? I also forgot what you said a year ago. But how do you live your life?

Well, yeah, it's the humility and just the learning processes. Like, even then when Brad was talking, like, he inspires me every day, the path that we go on, what comes at us every day. And Brad trains all of our staff so he's actually been able to inspire them and. And have them find out what they're passionate about, which is super illuminating for. For somebody coming into the project, like, to. To tap into some more vulnerability. Like, it was only a few months ago I was still living in a little shack at home and the roof actually fell down because the shack was that old. And I hope you don't mind me saying, but Brad was still living out of a Prius car. So my point for saying that is, like, there's a humility that we experience still daily with dealing with all of this. And because we're so much of service for the actual substances, we have such a reverence for the ormus, the white gold, for the black gold, the shilajit and those medicines that have been used for thousands of years and now the gold. We genuinely don't feel we want to take anything from this. So it's a contribution. And within that way of dealing, it's. It's like we don't compromise on the product in any way. That's why the packaging looks amazing. It's all made within the us. We still get these raw materials from the most extreme places on the planet. The gold, like I told you, costs us an absolute fortune. So all of the revenue that comes in, we reinvest back into the product and we're just constantly humbled. We're doing the whole lot ourselves, which is a. Which is a beautiful process. And it's a lot like. It's just that capacity and that growth that's required. Yeah. So for me, it's just staying true to ourselves in that process, staying true to our community, our families, like honoring our word and just allowing that expansion and that induction to go wherever it's meant to go. That, that's the beautiful part for me. It's, it's, it's such an amazing experience to have a project that's now selling a lot of product and doing really well and getting an insight into what's involved. And you know, businesses that are making a lot of profit, they're either charging their customers too much or the product doesn't have good enough quality. It can't be both. From what we've learned. Like, you know, if you're making too much money, it's because the price is too high or the quality of the product is, is not good enough. An E Commerce business is super, super expensive. Like, just to break it down, the product costs 30%. Paid ads is 30%, distribution, fulfillment, 10%. There's 70% gone before you pay a single staff member, before you pay an affiliate, before you pay a commission, before you give a discount. So we're basically running it as a not for profit, which again, is just that reminder of humility and level of service effectively, which is beautiful within our family and within our group because it allows us to just keep checking in with each other and sharing from a place that for us is so, so true from the journey that we've had to get here. So that's, that's the most beautiful thing for me.

Yeah, I just had to let that land for a moment because I felt it from you, I felt it from both of you, the, the whole time, ever since we first met. There's this true stewardship which has been really palpable for me. And it's just such a genuine honor to be able to do this with you in, in the small way that I do. And I can see that in the future. There's so much expansion. You know, we talked about expansion a lot on this podcast. I wonder how y' all will defend against outside money, outside interest, outside energy, trying to take and, and recapitulate, reorganize what you all have fought so hard to be in integrity for. It's lucrative at this stage. You may have a fat cat from New York saying, hey, we'll give you $150 million for this, or whatever. I'm sure that's happened even to this point.

Yeah, it's, it's super simple business model for us. Like, I, I, I mean, because we have so many things to reinvest in. So we've launching, we're launching three new products. Shilajit, Ocean and Gold.

Yes.

All based off Mana. So the R D and the cost of the design work, the packaging, the raw materials, the manufacturing is super extreme. Especially when you have 24 karat gold in Mana gold. So. So that's a huge cost. Yeah, that has eaten up all of our revenue. We also have a community division which is massive and we have some really beautiful focus on that and the costs for that are huge. And then we want to set up more of our own manufacturing because we want to get these sacred nutrients and frequencies out to as many people as we can. That's. That's the prophecy. Yeah, that's the time that we're in. And so that potentially means like buying shilajit mines overseas and creating a lot of. Buying gold mines even.

Yeah.

You know, we have a way of being able to cluster monoatomic gold to get the price down. Because that's one of the biggest things. Obviously one of our resistances to selling 24 karat gold in a nanoparticle form is it's still super, super expensive, which we don't like. So again, we're making it available so it's got its own life force. If other people can produce that cheaper or if we're able to produce it cheaper, we will and we'll pass that on to our customers. Yeah, so it has its own trajectory. There's a lot of different areas that we can reinvest revenue back into. And yeah, we'll just do our best to say true to ourselves and true to the guidance and see where that takes us.

Yeah, it's clear. And the fat cat can go invest in someone else.

Yeah, it's pretty clear because it's like you're either pulling for the project or you're putting it up on your shoulders. And we know straight away it's instant. Like it's instant when someone comes into the team or someone wants to put feelers out for the project. It's, you know, that they're going to take.

Yeah.

And it's not what it's about. And it's a felt experience again. So it's. So that's where. That's a non negotiable for David and I and the rest of the team is like everyone's got to come in and it's not like any other project where you're taking and I'm going to take my piece and you take your piece. No, no, no, like, you give back. You give energy back into the system and that's what we're really like, super clear on. That's an unspoken one word.

Yeah. I've ignored that intuition before. And I even told the person who I hired, I'm like, I feel like you're gonna come in here and just take from us and leave. I told them, but I still hired him. So that was my learning curve that I. That I learned from. Man, this has been great. I just got so much love and respect for y'. All. Thank you for being here on the podcast again. I look forward to round three where we can go into some of the subjects where we didn't have enough time. Time is a man made construct anyways, but I'm sure that people are waiting to go, you know, back to their lives or do whatever it is they're going to do with more coherence. So thank y' all for bringing the coherence. Thanks for creating this incredible product. It's on the screen right now if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify diary. Terry Gold, Sheila G. And Marine Mineral Liquid supplement the monogold. Thank you, David and Brad, for being here. Thank you, guys.

Thanks, Josh. Yeah. Love everything you do. Love your audience and appreciate you sharing the good news as well, brother. Super inspiring.

So much good news today. Really enjoyed it.

Big love to yourself and your family and your audience too. Like, really appreciate it.

Okay, y', all, until we see you on round three, we're all wishing you love and wellness. We'll talk to you soon.