Root Canals Are Making You Sick! Do THIS Before It's Too Late

Cavitations or root canals are basically dead body parts. By far the biggest detox you ever do is taking out dental repair. Everything in your mouth will transfer to hypothalamus, pituitary, and then from there to the whole body. So if you had previous dental repair, your oral microbiome changes and this leads to dysbiosis in the mouth and then in the gut.

Dr. Dome is a pioneering biological dentist and author of it's all in youn Mouth. So the metal in your mouth can be an antenna for EMF.

How so? Let's say in the 90s, probably not a problem. There wasn't Wi Fi, no 3G, no 4G, no 5G, no electromagnetic fields. However, these days it's completely different. You're bombarded with EMFs. And if you have any metal in your mouth or in your body overall, it's going to be an antenna. It will change the whole flow of the system. It creates battery effects. It's oral galvanism. You can actually get up to 3.5 volts. It's a complete battery that you can run there just with one dental implant and a gold crown on top.

So what's the true responsibility of a biological dentist when it comes to full body health compared to a true traditional dentist? What is the gold standard for a biological dentist? A lot of times people go out and they're like, I want to get a dentist. It's like getting a real estate agent. It's like getting a copywriter. What is the confusion about biological dentistry?

So biological dentistry, there is no trademark, there's no standard for that too. So if I tell you, go see a biological dentist, you could end up having anything like someone just playing a, a singing ball. And that's then biological dentistry or oftentimes biology. Even if it's good biological dentistry, what happens? Oftentimes it's just referring to again the repair business we're doing. If anyone says go find a biological dentist like you said, it's like find a real estate agent. Yeah, it's literally the wild wild West. So I realize I have to create a true biodentistry global standard. That's what we're doing right now. The BGS for what we do. That is Biodentistry 3.0, which is the high tech dentistry, which is a skill, a technique that all of us need to have using all the biomaterials, but melting this with overall health optimization, functional medicine, biohacking to really. Yeah, create a new profession actually. From the technician to the health expert.

So what's the true responsibility of a biological dentist when it comes to full body health compared to a traditional dentist.

So traditional dentistry is mainly fixing bites and smiles and mostly maybe got hijacked by cosmetics and aesthetics, which is fine. Everyone loves a nice white smile is completely fine.

Yeah.

But underneath all this, if you look at an X ray, oftentimes you look like a terminator. So biological dentistry, just a technical side of things, is we don't want to have any metal in your mouth, no root canals and no silent inflammation. However, that's the technical side of things. So what we are trying to do is guide our guests that come see us on their path to optimal health, starting from the mouth. We obviously remove everything safely, and we are able to do that with the skill. But our focus is how to improve the overall health. And the mouth is like the entrance to the system. It's the hotel lobby to the complete gut system, which starts here and it ends at the back door. And yeah, it is just a guideline. We are building a blueprint in empowering our guests to really start their journey. And it's a complete new. It's really literally a complete new profession we're creating. It's. Yeah, category defining.

It's interesting because people may think of it as alternative.

Yes.

But it's not alternative. It's actually the true path. When and where did dentistry get hijacked?

I think it's probably 200 years ago when dentistry went on their own path to just being like the mouth repair guys, like dentists. Even in Germany, it's at least called a tooth doctor. She translated tana means tooth. Tooth doctor. Oh. However, even in Germany, it's just repairing its dentist, and it's not an issue. I mean, it's just. In my opinion, it's outdated. We have to see it different these days. We're living in an unnatural world. Everyone's talking about epigenetics. We know from science. Science is clear on this. Silent chronic inflammation is killer number one. Right. And let's say when we talk about oral health, which is finally catching on, you know, you find Huberman talking about it. You see Peter Thier talking about it. And what is Brian Johnson? Everyone is finally looking into the mouth as being part of the body. Right. But they're only touching the oral diseases such as gum bleeding and tooth decay, and that's about it. And maybe the aesthetic side of things, but what they never focus on is previous dental repair. And previous dental repair might be the killer number one lurking there that's holding you back. So obviously we still need to be able to repair.

Yeah.

So that's why I say it's not against conventional dentistry at all. It's just the future is the next level. We need to repair and fix what we have basically done wrong in the past. Or not wrong, but just. It's outdated.

Yeah.

And we can use better science and better techniques these days. But then while doing this, why not just overall optimize the body in the. In the same time? Right. Anyways, rebuild your house. Your house from the mouse. Why not use it to do the complete system?

Yeah. It makes sense to me, every tradition. I love that you talked about epigenetics and we talked about trauma last time, which I want to go a little deeper into because I know you have patients have emotional experiences.

Oh, yeah.

And we didn't go as deep last time. So I think that's a really clear connection between the trauma that's released when the tooth is actually healed and worked on. But before we get to that, I want to know this history piece. Now, I'm not. This is not a tinfoil show. I'm not trying to, like, spark controversy, but we all know that, like, in the early 1900s, the medical system was captured. Right. It was essentially captured. Yeah. All truth is open to, really, the Socratic method. And in science and in medicine, it's about proving and disproving without having a bias. In dentistry, have you found that there's something like that that you really shine a light on? In other words, a previous truth that you know was false, and now part of your mission is actually to make that falsehood exposed?

Yeah, of course. I feel like the traditional conventional dentistry is literally mainly a garage principle. We're just coming there to fixing. Yeah. And a dentist, as you know, is not even considered a doctor, like in hangover. Yeah, shut up. You're just a dentist.

You're not even a doctor.

Right. You remember that. So our profession is a little bit doomed because also, no one likes to go see the dentist because they're all like. All the guests. We're seeing the patients. We call them guests. Yeah. They. They literally tell you about their past brutal experience at the dentist. It was all rough, it hurt, there's pain involved. So it's nothing that people like to do. But you have to see it this way. What we designed is a band aid. A healthy body is immune against tooth decay, so it obviously starts way earlier. And obviously, let's say the end game should be that we don't need a dentist for repair. However, at this point of time, it's not possible. We need to repair what we have repaired previously with outdated materials that in this world really become a problem. Like let's say metals in your mouth. Let's say in the 90s, probably not a problem because there wasn't too much epigenetic changes. There wasn't wi fi, no 3G, no 4G, no 5G, no electromagnetic fields. So in metal probably was okay. And the immune system was able to modulate it and balance it. However, these days it's completely different. Like you bombarded with, with EMFs. And if you have any metal in your mouth or in your body overall, it's going to be an antenna. And this antenna can lead to, let's say, electro hypersensitivity in making you in a get more stressed and you don't even know about it.

This is crazy. Okay, we haven't talked about this. So the metal in your mouth can be an antenna for emf. How so?

It's just like every metal. Like you know how an antenna works? It's metal. Basically it's attracting electromagnetic waves. I mean usually if you, if you have a cell phone call, it goes to the tower, the signal goes to the cell phone, then to the tower back. Right. But if you have metal here, it will go to the cell phone, to your metal in your mouth, back to the cell phone. And what it does in the metal in your mouth, it amplifies it. There are studies, science showing 400 to 700 fold amplification. And if you understand that your body is a battery, as we know, like body electrics, it will change the whole flow of the system. It creates battery effects, it's oral galvanism. But it's again literally an antenna making you electro hypersensitive. There's actually people that can. It's crazy and it's off not often, but people can really like amplify radio stations if they just go there with their mouth and stuff. Like there's real anecdotal stuff. However, it is science. It's just simple. It's probably just physics and chemistry.

What was the oral galvanizing of which you speak?

Oral galvanism is a little bit different. Galvanism means like a battery, basically. So if you have different metals, you know how a battery works? You have anode and a cathode and then there's electrolyte in between. And then these travel like the electrons travel so from one metal to the other one. And in your mouth you have an electrolyte too. It's called the saliva and the saliva Will obviously let. Let the ions from you. Let's say dental repair travel. That's for example, you have a gold crown right on top of a titanium implant. So there's a huge difference when it comes to the, the currents. So you can actually get up to 3.5 volts. It's a, it's a complete battery that you can run there just with one dental implant and a gold crown on top. But we don't think about this as technicians. Yeah, we just don't think about how can we as dentists be a contributing factor to the epidemic of the 21st century, which is chronic disease. We just don't think about it. That's not part of the dental curriculum. That's where we come in with what we're doing, what I just said, changing our profession from just a technician to the health expert. We still need to be the technician, but these days it's 20, 25. So we can use biomaterials. We don't need to use any metal in the mouth. It's just not necessary anymore.

So good. Yeah. Who wants to turn people into antennas? We don't even know what we don't know about charging the body with that kind of electricity at that space. The deleterious health aspects, that could happen. What do you guess? Or what do you know that might happen when the tooth becomes an antenna?

Yes, this one then. But then also metals have more challenges. Like it could be super toxic material that's in your mouth, just building more toxic burden on your liver and your pathways. Also you can become allergic to any metal because all the metals we're using for repair, they're completely foreign to the body. They have nothing to do in there. Like from titanium to mercury to gold to palladium, silver, copper, there's nothing to do in your body. So for repair and biting on it, it works, however. So we'll be a Terminator then, right?

I do not want to be a terminator. Me neither. And I am not Tim Ferriss. And I'm not all about transhumanism, where you put the electrodes in your skin. Like that's not my game.

No, me neither.

I'm not into that. So, so then, okay, so let's say that somebody has the titanium or the gold or whatever it is. What kind of relief would able to be not just felt, but measured once it's removed?

It's insane. Like the difficulty is it's silent usually. And you probably don't even connect all your symptoms with that in your mouth because it's there. Yeah, But I can tell you the biggest biohack is getting rid of previous dental repair. Because that stuff you're just not able to biohack and it's with you, but you were not born with it. Right. You don't come out of your mom with metal in your mouth or a root canal or remove wisdom teeth. It's just not happening. So we just basically have to bring you back to your original state.

Would it possibly raise a 1C or would it cause like cytokine storm on a low level basis that you could measure?

Yeah, definitely. It's difficult to correlate it. If you have blood work, is that from that? So that's hard to do in studies.

Okay.

But however, if you have any elevated, let's say even elevated liver enzymes, it could be because of the toxins, chronic toxicity of metals in your mouth, or just the ions stressing you. And of course you probably going to measure, can measure innate cytokines such as TNF alpha interleukin ones and these things for sure. But you have to also have someone correlating this for you.

Yes. Somebody skilled, by the way, not just the average practitioner.

No.

Okay, so we, we know so much about the gut brain axis and also how this weaves into genetics and epigenetic expression. One of my favorite friends, he described epigenetics perfectly. He's like, you know, genetics load the gun, but environment and behavior pulls the trigger. Chris Kresser and I'm like, oh, it's so good. Like a child, a child can understand that. So, so yes, we understand the gut brain axis. And there's many realms in science where they're like, all disease starts in the gut. But what if it's not the gut? What if it's the mouth?

But what if the mouth is the entrance to the gut? If you look at an anatomical chart and you just see that this is the entrance and it starts here and then there's the esophagus and then there's the gut and then there's the rectum. That's just one tube and the end. That's why I always say it's like a, the mouth is like the hotel lobby to the complete hotel, which is then your whole gut system. So it's not possible to restore a gut when you didn't start at the beginning, like at the lobby. It's just literally important. You can imagine you have an, you have a gut microbiome. We all talk about this, right?

Yeah.

But what about the oral microbiome which is the entrance? So we're swallowing about 140 billion bucks per day. Let's say microbes. And 50 is probably what happens in the gut afterwards. So it's all connected. It's the mouth body connection.

Yeah. How powerful is. I think we touched on it a little bit, but it's deeper and better to go. Now, the tongue scraping. The tongue scraping is big and you've talked about this a lot. There's a lot that's kind of waking and living on our mouth. That's why we have bad breath in the morning. Yes. Can you talk about the tongue scraping and the bad breath? Like there's a direct correlation there?

Yeah, of course. So tongue scraping is one of the oral healthcare strategy strategies you should use because it's like a 10 second investment every single day.

You just have to do it, dude. It's pretty gross. What comes off. It's like this tacky, cruddy film.

Yes.

Is that, is that bad bacteria? Good bacteria? What is that?

It's probably both. I mean, bad and good. That's not really. You cannot really distinguish. It's just your microbiome. It might be a dysbiotic microbiome because of what you have in your mouth. However, it's also food debris, it's toxins. And it just starts here at the ground of the tongue and you just have to scrape it off. And if you do that for a couple of months or weeks even, it's fast, you won't wake up with too much fur anymore on your tongue. It's just literally changing. And then you have like a pinkish tongue and no white coating on top of it. You just need to do that. And yeah, of course stuff that gets stuck there will affect your breath.

What would be one of the clues or the considerations if somebody has a super white tongue, even after they tongue scrape, even after they do coconut oil pulling, but yet their tongue is still white. What is that?

It could be multiple reasons. It could be the wrong diet for sure coming from the gut. But also, again, we can touch the dental repair side of things. So if you had anything done by a dentist, this can change the complete microbiome and just be the part. So your oral microbiome is actually the second largest to the gut and most diversified because it's the direct contact to the outside. You know, your little kids, they just play with dirt. They put everything in there and that's how you get built, you small dirt. Right.

My daughter will literally pick up dirt and just eat it.

Of course, my daughter too, she literally eats everything. Like she Would even eat poo. Just test it. D she would, she's below 2. Like she does everything. Like there's a little tiny animal, she will eat it.

Oh my God. Of course they do.

That's what. That's actually also good. It builds the immune system.

Sure, sure, yeah.

But imagine this. Like we could like for example, Chris, our common friend Chris, Gethink he had a lot of. He has a sweet tooth. And we know that it's connected to a microbiome and obviously he was always able to control with his self discipline. I'm not going to have this. It's not going to be good for my body composition. But then he just lately told me after we removed all his oral interference, like the metals, the root canals and everything, he just has no sweet tooth anymore. How is that even possible? He's like, why is that, Dominic? Why is there no more sweet tooth? It's from my perspective actually quite simple to explain. So if you had previous dental repair, for example a root canal or the metals, your oral microbiome changes, usually in favor of more pathogenic things, especially fungi and parasites, mostly Candida. And this leads to dysbiosis in the mouth and then in the gut, you know, Candida, sure. And mold is all residual residue is also already in the mouth. So if you change this by taking out the whole crap, by far the biggest detox you ever do is taking out dental repair, changing this, changing nutrition diet, which wasn't needed for Chris. He's already on point. But yeah, just taking out the interference and then letting this heal. Dysbiosis is gone. No more cravings for the bad stuff. Because you know, parasites, viruses, fungi, they like to eat the processed foods too because they just, they just thrive on it. It's their pathways. So it's insane, right? But it's quite logic.

It's interesting. Yeah, it is insane, but it also is logic. Like you said earlier, we don't come out of the womb with metal in our mouth.

Definitely not.

So I'm just wondering, just from my own curiosity, have you ever thought about this? I mean, maybe you did in the beginning, maybe you don't think about this question now. When did it ever become standard to put metal in a mouth? When was that and why was that?

I think this was about 200 years ago. They only had gold back then, so they used little gold hammer fillings. They took a while to put them in. And then there was a group in actually in Europe that I think French guys that started this amalgam, you know, the black silver Fillings, which is, it's actually a very easy material to work with. So instead of doing tiny hammerings with gold in your, in your cavities, they just put it in there and it's like 10x faster. So this one over the gold and became the golden standard. As you know, it is still paid by insurances for the black fillings, which are 50% mercury. But for example, in, in Germany, since January 2025, we have an environmental mercury ban. So finally the metal fillings are the, the silver, black metal fillings are not allowed anymore. So you're called amalgam.

Were you just so stoked when that.

Passed that law finally? I was waiting for that for like a decade because Sweden and all the Scandinavian countries had that already. Early 2000, Russia had it 30 years ago. They realized that mercury is not healthy for the body. I love that they did this. The way they, they obviously communicated with the public is a little bit off because they're telling you now it's going to be more expensive at the dentist. They don't, they don't tell you that they did something wrong, that it's really was a toxic idea. Yes, because having mercury in your mouth is chronically intoxicating you. And obviously if they would say that this is a problem, it's going to be too expensive to repair all this by the state. So. I understand. But it's good that it's gone now.

It's so good. And not in America yet. Yeah, I was going to. This is, the next question is like, okay, so in Europe and your practices in Germany, the ways in which you perform the biological dentistry, what is different about Germany and Europe compared to the bylaws and the practices of biological dentists here in America?

That's the same question at the beginning. Biological dentistry, still, there is no standard, there's no trademark. Everyone can call himself even a dentist. A biological dentist.

It's literally the same.

It's like a wild wild west. There's people that, that use it for marketing because it became a little bit of a trend name biological dentistry or holistic dentistry. That's why, I mean, I need to work. We are working on a true biological global standard which is more than just a repair. So for now, if I tell any patient out there, just go see anyone, it's actually going to shoot the whole mission in the foot. That's why I realized, okay, we have to be very standardized, create a certification ISO standard to literally be able to guide guests worldwide for optimal health. Because, yeah, you can do whatever, like it's tiny little islands. Now we have to bring all these islands together and build a new way of thinking, a new profession.

Yeah, it's like that phrase, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So there could be a traditional dentist that, you know, goes and takes a weekend course in biological dentistry, but then there's no. What I hear from you is there's no governing body that actually checks the quality of the work.

Exactly. And the thing is, I'm. I'm maybe like the one trailblazing that. That word for the last decade and only realizing because of that, because of all my teaching, that this is happening. They have good intentions, but now some people are not. Not always having the best, best intentions. Some just have a good marketing. Yeah, they tell you they've. They were taught by myself because they read my book or whatever or listen to a YouTube video, but they don't really know what we're doing. So that's why I've created the Institute of Biological Dentistry and have a complete certification process now called Biodenticity 3.0 in creating a new community. I call them the real biodentists, the real bees that. And there are obviously also certain levels to this. So it takes a while to understand everything.

I remember last time we had a clip that I think it's almost 1.6 million views today. And it was a year ago, was about the baby sucking on the nipple and how it's formed. And it harkens to my question to you. And that was something I was, I was texting you about before we jumped on the family and the baby in utero. Let's go way down to the roots. So the nutrition that's needed, the lifestyle that's needed to actually set the baby up, in other words, dental health starts way before even conception. Can you go into that?

Yeah, I think it starts actually in preparing the mom for pregnancy, the future mom. Because as you know, when you. When you're pregnant, you have. You're building a new human body.

So it's so wild.

It's wild, right? It's like. I think the. The energy demand is like three to four marathons. So women are doing insane work there.

They're just sitting there and you're like, oh, she's just eating and she's running a marathon, basically.

Yeah. So it's. It's insane. But no one teaches women how to take care of their bodies because obviously the baby is now priority. Meaning if you're not in a surplus of certain nutrients, your body will get depleted and oftentimes that happens a lot. Women lose teeth during pregnancy. They get a root canal that the stuff like decomposes. Why? Because we have kind of like a reservoir when it comes to minerals in our body, which is the bone and, and the teeth. Same, same biochemistry behind it. So baby needs a lot of minerals. I mean, you build a whole skeleton there. Makes sense, right? So it just depletes it and then you lose teeth. However, there's no correlation, again, that someone would tell these future moms, hey, this is your complete diet right now. Focus on real foods. But you need to have this in excess. Maybe you have a vitamin D3 deficiency. Your bone healing doesn't work. Your teeth are getting softer and softer and softer. So it is a complete rethinking. But the way we, we are designed from nature is eating real food, living ancestral. I mean, there's lots of people in our bubble that talk about the right nutrition. I'm completely agreeing. Could be Paul, it could be the liver king. Nutrient dense food is what builds the mom and the future baby. And then obviously, if you're in a surplus during pregnancy, you survive that quite healthy without being depleted and you have a beautiful baby coming out. Then like we talked about it last time, when the baby comes out of the womb, that's when everything goes ahead. When it comes to the whole jaw building and the immune system, it's all going to be transferred through the mom. But obviously it starts before.

Yeah. So even conceiving give us, give us more clarity, man. The mineral deficiency during pregnancy is what makes some mothers lose their teeth.

Yeah, it's not just the minerals, it's just nutrient deficiencies. There's a strong correlation also with vitamin D3 deficiency. That's just sunlight. So if you have a lack of sunlight, you, you can't really handle all the calcium. It doesn't really go into the bones and teeth. So we need vitamin D3 from sunlight to basically pull calcium in the bloodstream from the kidneys and the large intestine and then bring the calcium. For bringing the calcium from the bloodstream to bones and teeth, we need vitamin K2, magnesium, zinc, boron, lots of different things. And they're usually in depletion because, as you know, soil is a little bit worse than 100 years ago. And if you eat mostly processed foods, as 80% of the people do out there, not all of them are in our bubble and eating ancestral already.

Right.

They just have a lack of nutrients and therefore the baby just is prioritized.

Have you seen this in your clinic where a pregnant mother actually has lost her teeth.

Oh, it's oftentimes what I see in my clinic is that's not a normal dental clinic where you just walk in and you have a repair business. Yeah, my people, it's, it's more like a menu style restaurant, like in the Valor Vasoria approach. So we plan cases, the complete mouth. And they usually had previous standard repair that we have to modernize. So. But oftentimes they tell you this, because I ask, when did you, when did you have this root canals? When did this all start? And oftentimes they will tell you, it's my first pregnancy, it's my second pregnancy, it's my third one. So I lost one tooth per teeth, one tooth per child. Wow. Yeah. You just ask. I just ask them. They have time. Like we see not 50 patients a day, we see 12 guests per day. That's it. So I have time with them, really spend time. Imagine normal conventional dentistry, even conventional biological dentistry, is 20, 30, 40 people a day. Repairing things I've done conventionally or biologically is not really a difference. It's more like a fast food restaurant. Just the numbers game versus what we do is more like a menu restaurant where you have like one table and then you have four waiters for you and your wife. That's what we do, like optimizing it all. And therefore we have time. We don't have just 15 minutes. We have a whole day, even a whole week. People come in usually for a complete week. So we will know a lot and then be able to really give them the blueprint for their health journey and so empowering them to become the architect of their own health.

How do you think it might look to drop the price but keep the quality of care the same for that type of care?

What we do.

Yes.

I mean, it's more like an investment.

Sure.

Yeah. I'm not sure if you right now could drop the price just because of.

How much work is involved.

Yeah. But if you see it like literally as an investment and you imagine you had done, you have seen the dentist in the last 30 years for a couple of times. You have a lot of crowns and previous dental repair. So you have, you have spent a lot of money on that, to be fair. So now see it as your house. You would always invest something you get. Sometimes after 20 years, you get a new toilet, you get a new kitchen, you invest in things or you invest in like a haircut every month at least, and in hair products. But why would you think that the stuff you have in your mouth has, like, no expiration date. So what we do is basically we design the complete modernization. Like an architect, we modernize this completely with the goal of not seeing you ever again as a dental patient. It's probably going to be cheaper.

That's. That. That's a total mental flip.

Completely. So even if it's, like, recurring business.

Even if it is a significant investment up front, you're avoiding potentially double or triple the investment that's needed once the mouth is broken, even this one.

But also just keep continuing repairing. Because conventional dentistry is built for a recurring business. You come back with a new tooth decay with a new cavity. You will need a new crown. You will maybe need a new root canal. And then if the tooth is, like, completely dead, you need a titanium implant or hopefully a ceramic one.

Yeah.

But this. And also what you never think of is the time investment. You go see a dentist again and again, and you have pain. And if this and this and this, this all adds up. So I feel like if you can do this in one week, including all health optimization, Health optimization strategies, such as hyperbaric IVs, everything we do have in our, let's say, health optimization center, starting from the mouth, it is just charming and, yeah, literally built to never see you again for repair. Of course, you can come back in for some hygiene, which is still important, or then combine it with other things. Could be regenerative aesthetics, could be overall health optimization. I mean, that's a good investment, right? Keeping your cells young and keeping your aging instead of 2.8 times, which is, I think, the average 2.8, and then just be as old as possible with as young as possible cell. That would be the idea.

I just. I just had a blood panel from a company called Jevity, which I love, and they're really on the cutting edge of all the biomarkers, way more than the average blood test. And they also had your biological age versus your chronological age, which I love. So I'm 44, but my cellular age is 37. Perfect. So it was a big win. Now, that's even with what I'm about to tell you. Last time we podcasted, you opened our eyes and mind to cavitations.

Yes.

I went to a center here in Texas. It's on the screen right now, y'. All. If you're watching on Spotify or YouTube and there was cavitations, I had my wisdom teeth removed. So there's a little red arrow on the screen pointing to the cavitation area. Obviously, this is not medical advice. Nothing here is telling you what to do. But it was very profound for me because I was like, I didn't even know that. I didn't know they were there until I had it done and I sent it to you. And you're like, yep, you got them. And now I'm like, okay, who do I go see? How do I heal it? Like, if somebody doesn't even know about this concept. I know we touched on last time, but for somebody brand new, like, why are wisdom teeth removed in the first place? And how does that create cavitations which then create bacteria, which then create allostatic load? Yes, Walk us through that.

Yeah. So again, that comes back to our epigenetic issue, that we're not living the way we should. Not with nature eating processed foods. We're just growing too narrow. Even Western price could show that over 100 years ago. Yeah, yeah. That we're just degenerating. Yeah. It's not just a tooth decay. It's bleeding gums, but it's also narrowing your faces. And this is maybe a good idea is to see your body as the house you're living in.

Yeah.

We just have a lack of building blocks while we're growing, and then we're just too narrow. Obviously has to do with mouth breathing, too, because everything is inflamed. You cannot get air through your nose anymore. That also keeps your palate a little bit more tight instead of breathing, which forms it. And then no breastfeeding. Like, it's a complete system. And it starts again before even conceiving by training. However, when you're 14, 15 years old, when we usually go see the dentist and they tell you, oh, sorry, there's no space for your wisdom teeth, then they might be correct in telling you we have to remove them because it's going to be crowding later. It's easier to remove them now. And I mean, they don't. They don't do anything wrong here. That's the curriculum. That's what we learn in university. The problem is way earlier.

Yeah.

So we could, like, imagine, like, in nature, we are designed to have 32 teeth, like a full set of all eight per side. Like full four wisdom teeth that have space, wide jaws, wide pallet. And this doesn't happen anymore in the Western world. In. In other countries, it's completely normal. It still grows perfectly because they're eating the right diet, they're in sunlight, they're more ancestrally living. So it's literally a modernized world problem. First world problem, I think. Yeah, mainly.

And it really stems from, like, I was born on welfare, man. So that means like government cheese, kick cereal, no vegetables. I mean, I love my parents. They did the best they could. No shame or blame on them.

No, of course not.

But yeah, I was not eating healthy for the first probably 15, 20 years of my life. And I. Can you just point it to yourself?

I wasn't born on welfare. However, I would do the same. I didn't know about nutrition at all, so I would just eat the normal conventional food.

Did you have to get your wisdom teeth removed?

Yes.

You did.

Okay. Huge cavitations.

What was that journey for you?

I had orthodontics twice. It didn't work.

Really?

Yeah, I had it all.

Tell us. I think that's pretty cool because I didn't know this about you. I just assumed that you had all your teeth perfectly intact. And did that fuel your journey to become who you are?

It didn't feel a journey to become probably. It fueled my. The design of what we're teaching. Extremely. Because at one point I'm basically the doctor I would have needed 20 years ago when I had my health issues now. So it was a part of this journey. So let's say 10 years ago. 10 years back in my career. I'm like early 30s, I was extremely nervous and I had a lot of skin issues, like not acne when I was a kid.

Yeah.

But with 30, I had always like rashes, eczema and I was quite nervous and I didn't know where it's coming from. My nutrition was on point. So you know how it is. If you have a bad skin, everyone will point at you and tell you.

That'S your diet, it's dairy, it's something.

Exactly. But I was on point then. It couldn't have done anything with it. So some actually it was by coincidence that there was another naturopathic doctor in our clinic at that day. And he said, man, you're super stressed, you're grinding, you, you can see there's something off. Let's do a three dimensional X ray for you. A cone beam. I didn't even think about it, even though I was a surgeon already doing cavitations. So we did a. The three dimensional X ray and there it was, huge cavitations. So obviously I wanted to have that removed.

Yeah.

I didn't know what was to expect it because I was kind of like guinea pig one. So. But I was there. I was just like, okay, let's just do that. I did everything wrong that you could do wrong. However, I was already quite fit. Nutrition was on point. But I had a 12 hour day and at the end, my friend just did the surgery like in the evening. No, no preparation. And next day I had to do surgeries for other people. So the healing concept wasn't there. However, on the chair, while he, while he takes care of these cavitation on one side, I felt an immediate relief in like a chronic back pain that I had. It's like on this, in this level, but to the back that I always like. Is this even possible that I'm just right now feeling that this is gone? I had to laugh during that surgery. I will still always remember this because it's like a pivotal moment for me. And on the next day, I woke up, I had pain, swelling because I didn't take care of me. However, my, my shaky hands and nervousness was just gone. I'm like, what the hell? Why is that? Luckily I had a panel of blood before and I knew always my cortisol is super high, so it was just my body has, I have good adrenal glands, so I can compensate with tons of stress hormones. It's not too, too ideal. That's also where my eczema came from. So because then these two, these two issues were gone. Like one side. We only removed one side of my cavitations. And no more, no more shakiness in the morning, no more nervousness. And the back pain was gone. However, my skin was still bad, so I was hoping for the next surgery. When was my next slot to get the left side gone and then finally left side two weeks after the surgery. Beautiful skin, no more eczema, All's gone. So obviously I had to implement this into our center, into our teachings. And you can never undo what you felt yourself. It's not possible. So even though even my surgeon, a good friend of mine who did my surgery, he was like, I need that too. So I did his surgery. And he. And he's like, he literally. He tried everything for a decade to regain his smell. Like every detoxification you could imagine. We have great doctor friends. He tried it all, never regained his smell. I removed one side of his cavitations, like one wisdom to side. And he actually never had wisdom teeth pulled. He just never had wisdom teeth, which is something that is also interesting. And he regained his smell. So we both implemented this in our teachings. And from then, obviously it's now, actually, it's probably 12 years ago. I've done 10,000 cavitation surgeries. And like you said at the beginning, the issue is in the tissue. And there's Trauma on it. And there's the viruses, the parasites, the fungi, there's heavy metals in there. It's just again a silent inflammation in your jawbone that no one talks about. But science is clear on silent inflammation. It is a trigger number one for chronic health issues.

Yeah.

You could now correlate any symptom in your body. Stand up if you have any symptom and you try it at all. Like you have the diet on point, you have your lifestyle in check, you're doing the health game, but you still, something is off. It might be the cavitation. That's how you should approach it.

Sure, it makes sense because you know, allostatic load. If it's a bathtub, there's only so much water that can fit in the tub. It's just so wild that he got his smell back and that your back stopped hurting. Like there's no. I mean logically, as you explain it from your professional lens, it makes sense. But to the average person, it's just so hard to connect these things.

It's actually also very hard to connect. For my dental colleagues it's. That's why in my, in my course, in the, let's say the online course, you learn all this. You have to literally understand the, the stress access, the HPA axis. You have to understand facial trains in your body. You have to understand the complete system because you, the mouse is an extension of your brain. It's like your eyes. So obviously with that nerve connection, trigeminis, everything you do in your mouth or you have in your mouth will transfer to hypothalamus, pituitary and then from there to the whole body. And if you look in the anatomy like you know what fascia is like fascial trains. Like the fascial chain from this muscle goes from here, cross links your body goes to your left big toe. So in between you could have a lot of tension because of this. Like a scar tissue does this in your body.

Right?

Scar tissue from the wisdom tooth does this also in your body. So oftentimes the deep frontal lines are blocked and then you get chronic back pain because your stomach doesn't really work. So it's all connected. But in order to understand this, you have to understand your immune system, your autonomic nervous system, the complete anatomy from various different angles. And this is part of Biodentistry 3.0 that you. First, we close all the knowledge gaps. That's the intro to the whole ecosystem I'm building, which is the bgs, the bio industry Global standard kind of like a multiverse, a bioverse.

Yeah.

And a whole ecosystem. For all of us it's just the entrance, not just a course. It's really a new way forward of thinking, a new profession.

There's a lot of moving parts to that. Gosh. Now when we look at. Because I'm. I'm familiar with the meridian systems of body and energy. Exactly how much did you lean on or how much have you leaned on Chinese medicine and the meridian system when it comes to how stress is transferred in the body?

A lot. A lot. Like this is woo woo in general medicine.

I don't think it's woo woo. No.

It is considered if you talk to a normal doctor, there usually is like woo woo.

However. Sure.

Why is it? That makes no sense. It's just. It's just not connected. Why should be medicine from another country be woo woo? It is just a different way of thinking. That's how ancient. Let's say Asian cultures use their school medicine.

Yeah.

So I'm open minded and use it all. And if you understand this system, it's completely normal school medicine. It's just a different expression of the autonomic nervous system. So in that meridian chart, all the organs are connected. Right. And also all the organs are funny enough connected to your teeth specifically. Someone found that out, a German guy actually with electroacupuncture back in the 70s or 60s. How this tooth is directly connected to your kidney meridian, how this tooth is directly connected to your stomach and your spleen. How the lower molars are directly connected to a large intestine and your knee. So that is all there. However, that doesn't mean that this is always the case. It's. It could be a. We use it to diagnose. Yeah. But any single chronic inflammation could actually cause everything because it's again, it's a living system. It's not, it's not parts like even cross linking it. Like because this tooth is on your right side doesn't mean that the problem is on your right side. It's oftentimes the left. Then the left knee hurts because of the right lower molar for example.

It's almost like we're this big ass circuit board and anything that gets pinched will mess up the circuitry flow.

It's perfect. Yeah, it's like a. It is actually the fuse box. It could be completely off because of just one thing. Like it doesn't connect anyone. It's like a huge system of. Yeah. Circuits. It's perfect. Perfect explanation.

Okay, let's go into the trauma piece. Because I know you said you, I mean, you just shared your own and you have many patients. Also, Sean Wells, a good brother of mine, he's getting a lot of work done with you currently. The trauma connection to the cavitations and the trauma connection to a pinched meridian or an altered meridian, whether it's bacteria driven or structural, can you unpack that? The connection between trauma and the tooth being not healthy, the meridian being pinched.

I mean, trauma could be both directions. Could be spiritual, emotional trauma leading to these events.

Yeah.

But also what I oftentimes see is cavitations or root canals are basically dead body parts. Like cavitation is in itself. That bone, it's called fatty degenerative osteo jawbone. That's a. Cavitation is just a layman's term.

Right.

For fdoj, fatty degenerative means that osteonogoric jawbone. So we have a dead body part here and then a root canal is essentially another dead body part. So why did it die in the first place? Could be anything trauma related or just trauma from like a physical thing. However, CRT is a little bit like an extension of your brain, more like an external hard drive storing trauma. And you know that I think we're the only mammals that store trauma in our tissue. Usually as you know, if there's like a zebra going to be hunted in the wild from a, from a lion and then it survives, even though like the half arm is bitten off, it will shake it off.

It shakes, yes.

What we don't do is we don't shake it off, we store it in the tissue. The issues in the tissue actually have this one from Jim Quick, friend of mine. The issue is in the tissue and it stores all these things. So if I am in the chair working with a guest on their journey, I never do general anesthesia because of all this, Because I want to walk you through this trauma healing process. Because if I now start taking out your teeth, the dead ones, you're going to experience things in your body which are not often explainable, but sometimes you have to cry. Like for example, my mom, I took out all her cavitations and she would look at me as like, I have to cry. Why? It's like, mom, let it go. Is your parasympathetic nervous system kicking in? Just cry, let it out. And some people laugh like crazy. Like there's the 14 year old crazy woman again that you had buried for the last 30 years underneath all that stress. So it's literally a healing scenario. That's why I'm also teaching my real bioidentists to not use general anesthesia, which is generally general practice in America for surgeries like we do is putting you down. But then you miss this, you miss this part. I'm asking my, like my team is asking our guests before, please say goodbye to your dead teeth. Say goodbye to all this because we're going to take it out. It's easier for your body to let go if you said goodbye to it.

This is such a spiritual journey, kind of. I love how we're connecting at this time. I mean, it's deeply, deeply spiritual. I mean everything we do is spiritual, man. People try like science and spirituality is at this illusionary war. It's a fucking illusion that they're one in the same. Except for science tends to be more ego driven than spiritual. Well, spirituality can be ego driven too. We've seen that. But at its, at its whole, at its most conscious form, medicine is about doing no harm. Spirituality is about raising consciousness and raising awareness. In their greatest form yet in modernity, they're pitted against each other and it's just a complete lie.

Have completely. But so it's, it's one thing. So I have good, I had good mentors and I'm very, very happy to have like one of them is Dietrich Klinghardt. And he has this level of healing system where the physical body is just the foundation, but then we have the electric component where the acupuncture works, then the mental, the spiritual side. So it goes up like this. So obviously that's the physical representation of what's up there. So it's best to have your house clean. And if you go back to, let's say Bruce Lipton, you know, Bruce Lipton, biology of belief. I mean he's a scientist and he couldn't, couldn't explain everything with science all the more spiritual things. And what he realized also is I don't know exact year. But let's say the church from at one point was only about spirituality, right? Science wasn't allowed. People like Galileo were like slaughtered because of. They believe in the world is not a flat thing, but a round thing. They were just killed, right in the name of God and the spirit. But at one point, I mean even Copernicus who was a priest, he was a mathematician, but he knew that if he say what he found out, he's going to be killed. So he only presented it on his deathbed and it took another 150 years until they flipped the switch. And then from there on it was only science that was Allowed. And spirituality was the opposite. Now, you got burned for spirituality, and science was the only thing. So we flipped it. And now we're still living in the realm of science being the true. The true essence of everything. And I feel this time, right now, we're coming back to balance and we're realizing it's actually both. It's actually just one thing. And Bruce Lipton said it in it. I like that. That metaphor that like a tv. We are like a tv. A TV screen, Right? A TV screen. If it's broken, you still can buy a new one. And you broadcast, you get the broadcast again. Right? So our essence, our soul, our being is basically a broadcast. And this one is where we attract it. So our cells have these protein receptors, and they're quite individual, but they only connect to what's coming in. That would be the spirit, like the energy, the global consciousness. It's all quantum physics. I mean, Einstein even knew it. I think now we're at that phase where we finally connect it all. So because science and spirituality is actually all the same, or emotional trauma represents the same way in your body when it comes to molecules as physical trauma. Like the stressor could be the diet, but the stressor could also be just a emotional trauma from your childhood when you were, like 4 years old. You don't even know about sitting in your limbic system triggering the same HPA Xs. It's all the same. Your body doesn't know between a reality and perception. It's all one thing, Right. You know, you can just imagine things. Like, so.

Good. Yeah. There's a term in psychology called arrested development. And it happens when there's like multiple lowercase T traumas or even one significant capital T trauma, you know, like physical abuse or sexual abuse. And there's an imprint, per se, that happens in the nervous system. And then that sets up the human being to literally be that imprint if they're not conscious about it. So how much spiritual work have you done on your own imprints in order to show up to the chair, to show up to the guests, and not projecting your fear, not projecting your stuff onto them.

A ton. A ton.

How so?

Like, a lot. Like, before I even opened my own, I had my own health issues. Now I can say, luckily, when I was very young, like, with 20 years old, I completely crashed on every level. So I was just looking on, I realized there's something missing. Didn't know back then. Back then, obviously, I just was afraid. I was in fear. I was like, I can't be normal again. What is happening here? So it took me years and years and years to figure this all out. But because I had good mentors, I touched that level of. It's called unresolved psycho emotional trauma and how to find this and how to basically change that software program or get that bug out.

But are you really fighting it? Is it really a fight? No.

What do you mean to fight?

Like you said, how to fight it? I didn't know if it was fine. Oh, find.

No, no, no.

I'm glad I clarified y'. All.

No, no, I just find it.

Yeah. Cuz if you fight trauma, it's just going to fight you back. No, no, no, no.

I was just finding it, but realizing I remember it when I was at that course, and it was about autonomic response testing is basically kinesiology. So that's something Klinghard teaches.

Yeah.

So kinesiology also. Again, physical, mental, all the spiritual things. And at the beginning, I was sitting there like 25 years old, a very young dude, like very masculine energy and fun. And then we were talking about. And this, this woman that was teaching, she was like an older lady, like a. More like a healer type of person. And she was like, yeah, we were also going to touch emotional, psycho emotional trauma. And I'm like, not good. I. I don't have that. And she was just laughing. She was just laughing. You're going to be. You have the most of them. What? What the hell? And then on this weekend, when you, like, test your body with muscle and you have a couple of symptoms and you find the unresolved trauma behind it that you had as a little kid, you lie there like you have an outer world experience. You're crying like a little baby. You don't know what's happening, but you come back a new, new person because you have a new software imprint.

Yeah.

Just deleted that virus or that bug. And then obviously you get addicted to this. You want to find more.

Sure.

And as soon as you understand this way, you like looking for this. Any. I think we touched the last time. Any single trigger I have, for example, for my kids, I know it's me. So I'm gonna find this trigger soon and I'll delete it. Because that's possible. You can delete it all and then become more like a true essence of yourself. So let's say in my career, obviously had to be one of the best in dentistry to be accepted and well known. So to. So that they listen to me and what I'm bringing to the table, which is the whole body Healing. I had to be one of the best in ceramic implants. It's kind of like being the best in a sport. World champion five times, then they listen to you. Right. So I did that. And that was more like a goal achievement thing. I'm very, I think, driven. You asked that the last time. Very different goal achievement achievement, but it's do, do, do, do, do. Right. And it kills you at one point. So in order to make this from my personal mission, optimal health, start in the mouth and being the best in something, to a global transformation and movement, I had to transform myself too, and become me. Instead of being a little soldier for my dad, basically. And I had just unresolved trauma of. And I'm not saying anything bad against my parents. Sure, they did the best with their level of awareness. And I didn't know how I personally resonated with this because, you know, from one to six, you just imprint. Everything they tell you, like in a. In.

In your brain is like a rose. It's just soaking in everything, thinking about it.

Right.

And.

And then you then. Then you realize that at one point, oh, I just did this. And I'm like, intrinsically, like driven, but in a negative way to just get praise, basically. Just finally, my son. So my dad did that at one point. He's like, I got the pat on the back. It's like, dude, here's the key to my castle. It's kind of like. But I had to be the best in the world. Had written a book and everything. It took a while, but still was about me. So I had to change that. And obviously, because of my teachings, I always work with every level of healing. So for me, obviously, if the physical side is quite healthy, I know that the triggers are from somewhere else. So I go there and look at this, and usually it's my kids or my new mission. And then I transform and I transform again to. To be. Yeah. And this is probably what I have to bring to the table is I. I'm not thinking about have to be. I'm all be to have. So I'm always thinking about adding value and creating something. And finally I'm at that spot where I just know it's flow through me. And that's the fun part now. So it's not taking too much energy anymore. It's more like it's giving energy. Everything I'm doing is fun.

Yeah.

And I love that.

That's what Alan Watts. I've mentioned him probably a million times on this podcast. Are you a fan of Alan Watts?

I'M a big fan of.

Okay. He said, you know, the whole goal of life is to make work. Play. Yes. To actually play with your work. And I think it's such a different lens that just, I mean, we're looking through the lens here on this podcast, and everybody that listens to this and shares this, like, that's the lens that we want. Yet we're coming up against, like you said, this recalibration of science and spirituality. But it starts inside of you and I. It's not going to be something that happens because Trump brings it down. No. Right. Or some, like, financial, governmental policy all of a sudden gets conscious.

It's not.

It always starts with us. And I. And I love that you shared your journey. And I was just curious, too. I'm like, when you actually were 25, you know, pull full of piss and vinegar and you were sitting there and you had this like, oracle woman helping you, what did she actually do that allowed you to really release? What was that modality?

This is a teaching that. It's actually, it's called psychokinesiology. So it's connecting the autonomic response testing. You know about kinesiology?

Sure, yeah.

So kinesiology, muscle testing. Muscle testing, but combining it with psychology to find that trigger in your nervous system, in your limbic system, super fast. So basically, you would use your arm and then ask psychology questions. Like, let's say you test your body and you find a symptom. Let's say your shoulder has a problem. You. You basically can then be just the shoulder and test your shoulder against various things. And then you ask stressful questions. Actually, for. For psycho emotional trauma, you ask, when did this start? Like, before you being conceived, during pregnancy, in the years from 1 to 3 to 3 to 5. And then your arm gets hard and you go deeper and deeper, deeper. And it's kind of like a movie in your head and you finally find that spot. Oh, you. Four years old, this. And this happens. That's the situation. And then there's specific techniques on how to remove this situation and change it for a better one. It's just literally like changing a virus or software bug to a new. A new street. You just tap. You can use various different things.

Yeah.

So we obviously found a lot of symptoms on my body which were not connected to physical side of things, such as diet, but to unresolved trauma. We deleted it. And then you come out a new man or a new person, and you realize that it's just a different change and it's a technique that I'm oftentimes using. And the thing is nowadays, like 15 years later, in our whole menu, it's all included, kind of like because a big part is taking out or the biggest detox is taking out these traumas in your mouth, the metals, root can. And then oftentimes because I've been there, I see and feel what my guest right now go through. So I'm some. It's sometimes like a movie in my head. I just ask specific questions and it, it's kind of like I, I know what they're going through right now. I, I don't know if I can tell that exactly, but that's why I love to be in present with them, to guide them. So if they cry for no reason, I maybe can just ask them what is coming up. And if something comes up, you're at, you're at this moment in time, which was maybe 30 years ago, but it's right now. You know, there is no time really. And then you now, in this moment, you can change it. You can just tell them. So they have to be conscious. You tell them this is gone and from now on be grateful for that. And we change it to a new pattern. And you don't need to be this person anymore because, you know, a lot of the people with chronic health issues, they are already this disease. They are telling themselves they wake up in the morning and they run this software program.

Yeah.

So if you can change this, you're becoming more yourself again. And that's why I always refer to. I just want to be a little kid. I just go out and play. That's it. I just go out and play.

Yeah. You know, the issues are in the tissues, but so is the joy. And I think, I think what blocks the joy are the issues, AKA the trauma. And it could be like metaphysical, it could be psychosomatic, it could be a structural thing. But really what I'm getting at here, and I'm so curious what you're going to say here, this is, this is a good moment. If the issues are in the tissues, but so is the joy, so is the childlike essence, then there's many ways to disarm it. There's many ways to get there. Recently, my love and I did an IFS ceremony with MDMA, which is internal family systems. Dr. Richard Schwartz and parts work.

That's a part of it too. Family systems. It's super important.

Family systems. So do people, when they come in, have any idea about the comprehensiveness of the metaphysical, the spiritual, the healing, the structural, the removing of the cavitations. Are they initially, like, surprised at the process you take them through because of the spiritual part or because of the. No anesthesia. What is it?

General anesthesia?

Obviously we do general anesthesia local. You do the injection so they don't feel it. But what about it is so shocking to them? Because that shocking is the realization of their own joy.

That's the shocking part. So obviously they don't know about this upfront. What's going to happen.

They probably get scared if you told them up front, we're going to do some spiritual healing on your teeth.

No, I won't do that.

Because they would run in this moment.

Like, usually if people ask me, why are you not doing general anesthesia? I tell them, I'm your general anesthesia. Because I'm very quiet. Like, I have. I'm going. I'm being there with you and guiding you through everything we do. And even my whole team is designed that way. So we're all saying the same things and we're kind of like a family. So before they even see me, they're in the clinic for two days and they learn about different things, but not necessarily about spiritual side of things. Yeah, but they. They are prepared for. When they see me in the chair, they're prepared for feeling their body. And then I come in and tell them, today, I'm taking good care of not your symptoms, but of root sources. I'm taking care of your mouth. But you feel your body just project yourself from the outside and feel what's happening from here downward. Maybe you feel tension, relief here. So I make it physical and tell them what to watch and see. But also, if something comes up, like you have to cry for. For no reason or you have to laugh for no reason, be happy about it. And. And just we're talking about it and this is. It's a profound transformation for them. It is. Because we're obviously changing something in their whole system. Yeah. Again, it's body, mind and spirit, spirit, mind and body. It doesn't matter. It's just one thing. And I feel this is so important. And then also helping them or guiding them the next couple of days while they're still here. They're using the. The. Let's say more, the health spa that we have on site, they're doing various different treatments, but also often they're all the time with us. So if they have any questions, we guide them. Like, sometimes they're just afraid that there's something changing and that changes their whole being. We have to tell them hey, it's completely fine. Whatever happens, let your body be. Because a lot of the people we see, they are actually in fear state all the time controlling. Because they think, yeah, they're not a kid anymore. They're controlling every symptom and everything in their body instead of just letting it go. And a big part is just letting it go. And I think that also could refer to Alan Watts. I think one book is letting it go. Sure it is. Right? Letting it go.

Oh, that's David Hawkins. But Alan Watts definitely talks about letting go.

Yeah, let it. Letting it go is so important. And then if they realize, I mean, I can only guide. I'm not a. I'm not a messiah or anything. I'm just guiding with the level of awareness I have. But it's you. You as a guest, have to take responsibility and we'll just show you the way. And maybe oftentimes just take away a lot of the noise.

Yeah.

And let you see the forest for the trees again. But it's a profound change.

I could see that by the time someone gets to you for the investment in their health, that they've probably done a lot of biohacking. They've probably done a lot of different things. Right. Maybe they've done like the red light therapy and even like putting the machine in where it shines light on your teeth and going to a traditional. There's a litany of things they've done before they get to you. But the one thing that I'd love for you to share is you can't biohack previous dental repairs. Why is that?

You can't. I mean, how could you take it out yourself? It's just not possible. It's something that someone has installed for you and not in a bad, intentional way. I mean, the dentist probably did the best he could or she could to help you bite again, but he didn't. They didn't think about overall healing. It's just not in the curriculum. It's not connected that the mouth is part of your body. It's just not connected. That's what we do. We show that this is the entrance and it is the missing link to everything. Because we're going to be on the Health Optimization Summit over this weekend where we see in our bubble all the specific techniques. Like there's all the different keynote speakers that will tell you about one trick they learned. And. And you should do all this. You should have your diet on point. You should do your motion anymore, because emotion comes from motion.

Oh, yeah.

You should go out in sand and ground. You should do all the things that possible and take the supplements. However, if you still feel that there's something off, then it's time to look into your mouth and find someone who is trained and certified to do all this in a correct way to help you for the next level. That's just it.

What could. So it's been about a year since we sat together. What is the most fascinating, fun thing that brings out your clinical side, but also your inner child that you're really stoked on? I understand you're creating the gold standard and that's very exciting, but is there anything else from like a practicum or an awareness? Have you found any gold nuggets you can share with us that stoke your inner child and your clinician at the same time?

It stoked my inner child at the same time. I mean, I'm stoked by whatever we do right now because we're in a. In my world right now, it's this hyperspeed phase, hyper focus, and everything comes to manifestation that we're building for such a long time.

Yes.

So what I'm richly stoked on is I found a goal sheet of myself from 2010. I wrote down everything in like, I'm very visual guy, so I'm always drawing vision boards. In 2010, I'm like an assistant doctor, right. At my first boss. And I wrote down a piece on paper. It says 2010 on top, and it says, I'm going to have a center for some healing. It contains IV nutrients and everything. 2010 is like 15 years ago. And the mouth and 2015, it's there already. And now it's 2025. And now it's only the blueprint that I can, can. I can share with the whole world. So that's now what stokes me is that it's that I didn't realize that I'm living this all. And it took me so much personal transformation to get to that point where I'm also able to. To see that it's like literally we can literally have an impact and change something in this world. I think that's what I'm most stoked on. And that's maybe where my passion comes out, where I'm like, I'm right here at the right spot. And literally we can. We can literally change the profession. I think that's what stokes me most. And that is all connected. Obviously, I had to transform personally to see that had to go from I'm a very good surgeon to now I'm a teacher all the Time and helping other people set things like this up. So now I can literally have a dentist come in that is curious and walk them through the whole education, and he could actually open a blueprint themselves. So it's really coming to life now, like globally. That's stoked for me. Well, just Europe. It's global.

It's exciting. In the same vein of Alan Watts, he said, you know, if you're ever frustrated or if you're curious if, like, how do I live my dream? How do I live my purpose? He says, it's because you already are. Yeah, it's because you already have it. And. And we have this kind of illusionary lens that we see things through. And I had this moment recently, man. I walked out on the property and I was like, if you would have told me when I was 10 years old that I would be a professional podcaster with millions and millions of people that have heard my voice and yours, that I build my podcast studio on my land, that I have two beautiful children that have a beautiful soon to be wife, and we have this amazing property. And I'm doing what I love. What the hell do I have to stress out about? What in God's name am I tripping out about? It was this hypertension that was locked in my nervous system through some of the modalities we're describing right now. And I can only imagine my goal, I'm saying it right now, my goal is to come to Germany and to actually work with you and to remove the cavitations and heal the body and just be curious about what comes next, because like you said, we're all going through an identity shift. Everybody that comes to liberatedlife.com, it's on the screen right now. That's our community. Everyone in their own lane is going through some type of an identity shift. And in 2010, you wrote down your list, and by 2015, you were already living it. Yeah.

And now it's 25.

And then now in 25, it's even bigger than you could have imagined. What I'm saying is it's our resistance to the flow of life. It's our resistance to the dream actually being real, believing the dream before we see it. That's the metaphysical part that some people have real trouble with.

Yeah.

How have you actualized the belief, the be, do the have in the way that has produced results for you that you. You could have never even imagined? How did that process work for you?

I think a lot had to do with, like, getting rid of a lot of my Identities from the past. Like, trauma that I had installed in me.

Like, I am just my father's son, or. Yeah.

Just realizing this, that you. The tension. You just described me. I had that tension, too. I just didn't know that I was kind of like, I was where I was extremely good with achieving things. Like, that's what I'm very good at. But that was my identity. I had. For example, I had no identity to be a father, a good father. I didn't. I didn't know. And also lately, it's also something very. That happens a lot these days. Like, only like a month or so ago, I was in Paris. I mean, if that's interesting for you. I was in Paris with my. With my wife and two of my kids, the younger ones. And then. Then there's a young. My son saying, I want to, like, just play with that little boat on the sea. And I'm like, why? No, no, I don't want to do that. It's not worth it. And then my friend who is with me, he's like, dude, this is your little son. He wants to do that just for him. And I'm like, okay. I felt like a resistance for me to do that, because if you know me, I'm very good with doing things with my kids that I'm good at. Like, I can go with them skateboarding, I can go skiing. Like, stuff that I'm also good at. But what I didn't know back then was I can't do. I couldn't do anything just for them. Like, just be with them and then enjoy that. So I did this little boat thing with him, and my friend was, like, looking at me. He's like, dude, you got it. And then on the way back, my wife said, next week is going to be school vacation. What are we going to do with the kids for them? And I'm, like, freaking out inside. I'm like, I'm getting tense inside. Like, I literally had this feeling, like. Like, I freak out because it felt like someone would strangle me. And I was like, I knew there's something wrong. And I asked my wife, why is that? What is your feeling? Why can't you just do something with your kids? And what is your feeling then? What is the process there? I can't. And she's like, I'm just remembering my childhood, that I had a good time with my dad when he did this for us. And I'm, like, literally having no experience about it. Like, it literally is not there. So for me, I took the challenge. I Realized it's. I wasn't there. Like, my dad was just this person that he's very good with doing something that he likes performing. So he sees me performing as snowboarding or whatever. That's my experience as, okay, there's no one sitting with me just playing. It's not there. So it's for me, a new challenge to accept that this is not there yet. So I did that. I went in this week with, like, I'm not the leader. I'm just with them, and they're leading me, and I'm being with them, and this was the best experience ever. It's a new transformation for me. Like, this week, I felt like I. I grew 10 years and, like, I had a new experience. To me, it was the extreme challenge for me. I literally had stress by the thought of it. But after this week, I was like, new level with my sons. They would now come to everything for me. Like, I was their trainer, but not in a sense of I want to push them, but in looking at them like, okay, what does this little dude need right now? And ask him, do you really need me here? Or, like, complete different shift. That's such a cool experience for me. I don't know if that makes any sense right now, but 100%, that. That gives me goosebumps. Like, stuff of this and then that. That feels like I'm growing, growing, growing. And funny thing, it's funny thing, it's some. Something like this shifts me also in my business side.

Sure.

It lets everything flow better. Like this little transformation. Sometimes you go back to an old pattern, then you relieve it over the weekend, and then you see new things. Like, oh, like you just said it, it's already there. It's there for a decade. Why did I not do it? Oh, I didn't want to step on the feet of my dad because he had built this little clinic before. But I've built a completely new system. I just hold myself back because of him. So I'm just going to my dad now and say, hey, Dad, I think it's time you let me go. Like, yeah, I proved it for you. For a decade, it's there. Like, people fly in from all over the world. It's a complete. It's a. It's a destiny. We don't have to be a dental clinic like you think it is. So that was my shift then. So I was able to talk to my dad different, and he, like, accepted it. He's like, okay, I got you. Do it.

How healing did that feel?

So good. That's literally healing.

Yeah.

It felt so good. Like, then you be more yourself again. Yeah. And you feel it. The more and more you go be a little kid, the more and more remember you remember your essence. And I know exactly what my essence is. This little dude that is so overly excited to do something new. That's me. That's. That's me as a kid. And I feel the same person I felt. I have. There's. There's situations of my past where I know exactly it's today, but I know I'm 4 or I'm 12. Is this feeling. So if. If I have this feeling, like 80% of the day, I know I'm doing the right thing. It's just being me, so. And then I know it's just a ton of energy just doing it. And don't even think about it, man.

It feels like to me, you've healed mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, financial. You've healed an epigenetic ripple in your genealogy. And this is why I'm so passionate about emotional epigenetics. It's going to be a big part of all of I do. So. So you're building the gold standard for your lane of excitement in. In healing the entire dental industry. I'm curious how you feel about this. We all know that in science, it's totally accepted that a child could be born with, like, sickle cell anemia or type 3 diabetes. Like these. These things are epigenetically passed down yet actually they're. They're genetically passed down yet. Epigenetics turns off and on. Correct. The epigenome sits on top of the genome. It turns off and on these either, I guess you could say positive expressions of the genome or deleterious expressions of the genome. And I wonder how you feel about this. When you go through your healing process to live your dharma, to open the centers, to do your thing, you meet yourself along the way. You meet your blockages, you meet your back pain. You meet everything. All of us are doing that in our own unique way. So I wonder how you could see your own journey and the journey of healing the dental industry as a form of healing through the vehicle of emotional epigenetics, which I define as something that we've received from our parents. That was a lesson that we don't need to give to our children.

Completely correct. Like, I don't even. I don't. I don't even know if I can add something to this. I would just say that's 100 correct. I mean, our parents, they're also Shaped by their parents and what they have.

And the great greats and the whole lineage behind it.

It's a complete lineage. And they always, I think what we all do as parents, we're trying to be better than our parents in some way. Like, but then there's also something that you maybe not delete. Yeah. And then I feel like it's important that I surpass that in some way. Like it's my next level, like Game Boy of life. So I always have to play a next level game. And the end boss is always you, it's always yourself, it's me. I have to be the end boss. But then I can see it changes the whole family dynamic. My kids become different because sometimes you see your kids becoming something you don't want and then you realize, oh, that's actually you. Right? Like they're being, they're being a bit aggressive.

So I'm learning. They learned it from you.

So my, my best friend is my little brother. Like he and me were like the team ever since he now he just turned 40, like a week, you know, this week. And I, we right now in the process of digitalizing my son is digitalizing my old high age videotapes. And I'm seeing all this and how we grew together. And I made a little video for him and I'm so is thankful that he and me, we on this journey together. I think we like building something together.

Yeah.

But also we are trained a certain way of, of living. So we're trained to be in attack mode. That's how we grew up. Like everything is based on. You have to kind of like fight. You have to fight what you're saying and everything is in a fight mode. So I just recently realized with me, my brother, he's like instantly trying to fight me when we have this discussion. I told him, hey bro, you don't actually have to fight me. Why are you doing this? And he's like, I always feel that I have like attention against you and I have to do this. And I'm just telling you, try next time. I already trust you. You don't need to fight me or prove anything. It's not actually a confrontation here. And there's no feedback loop installed. Like see, there's a, there's no critique. It's just feedback. And then I realized, oh, my dad has the same thing. Whatever I tell him, he's going to attack me because he feels that I'm attacking him same. And I realize my, my sons are doing the same. Like they're always very Good in fighting, in attacking. So I now for the last six months, right. I'm. I'm working on this consciously. I'm seeing this now. I'm like, okay, that's probably something I did wrong here. So how can we change this now? So how can I be just more loving and caring and not seeing everything as a attack mode and realizing this is a new software program I'm installing. I have an old one. I just realized, oh yeah, it's going to be deleted. And if you see it, it is deleted in this moment and then you just see it everywhere and then stresses you a little bit. But you know, okay, you just have to be now a new guide and change it. Like don't take it personal and see it as just feedback. I'm very good at when it comes to things like never taking anything personal. I'm very good at this.

Hold up. You never take anything personal?

Not only maybe when it comes to like very, very close people. So you would ask my complete.

I was gonna say you might be floating at nirvana.

The rest of us sometimes as my complete team in the clinic. Everyone. You would. You have never. Everyone. And no one ever has seen me like aggressive or any. I'm always calm there. The only one who can trigger me is my wife or my kids. So that's when I can take something personal. Yeah, but usually I'm literally like very rational and, and just having a good feedback loop for the, for the rational things to do. But also this one can come across quite robotic or it's just something I've learned. If you take stuff too personal, it will always lead to issues. When you some. When you build something, if you see that this way and you teach this your sons. You know the book, maybe there's a good book about. It's the fork. What is this Ruiz, his name.

The four agreements.

The four agreements. One of the agreements is actually don't take anything personal.

That's right. Toltec wisdom.

Yeah, yeah, don't take anything personal. That's a big thing that I'm just realizing that I'm good at, but realize that most people are not. So that's for me. And you think that most people are taking things personal?

Yes.

So when I ask in the staff, like literally ask people like why did this not work this way? So I asked this. You have a staff of 20 nurses or it's usually women. And you ask why does this not happen the way it is? I'm just asking exactly this. But the woman maybe understands. He criticizes me right now. Because it didn't work the way I did.

Something wrong.

Exactly.

I'm just.

I was just literally asking why did it not work? Right. Because I want to optimize the process in between. Yeah. So that all these experiences and like thinking about this helps with your kids again. Like.

That's right.

And if you teach this to them, then you also install yourself a little bit more things and you realize it more. And this makes everything less friction because. You know what I mean?

I just had a. Aha. Moment that I want to share. It's so amazing. I'm so grateful that we get to do what we do. I know. It's.

It's very.

It comes with a responsibility. You know, there's a sacred responsibility. And I. I do my best to not approach it with any ego. Sometimes I falter right where I'm like, oh my God, this is so fun. Look at how cool my life is. But I'm always coming back to this one place. Whether it's you completely revolutionizing the entire dental industry, or whether it's our friend Sean Wells who's going so deep into giving people this transformation through supplementation, or even our friend Chris who's teaching people about the physical body and muscle and being strong. Like, we're all doing our own gift in our own lane. But you know what, man? All of our lanes are leading people to wholeness.

Yes.

To authentic expression of who they are so they can be connected to that little boy or little girl inside and be an adult at the same time. Do you feel this?

Yeah, I feel this. Naked goosebumps. Then like you could see, you know, because. Exactly. That's it. And that's why we said it at the beginning. That's why I don't like people always competing. We should all co elevate.

That's right.

All of us bring something special to the table. I'm learning a lot from you. You're learning a lot from me. And if we are open minded to this and not being this little ego person that already knows everything, just approach everything. Like Bruce Lee would do it like with an empty cup. Like, be water, my friend style. That's also what I teach my. My boys just be water, my friend. Listen. And then you see more and more and more. Just wake up every single day. Approach as a new day. Like a little curious kid. That's what I do. So. And I think then there is no competition. It's just co elevation and we can make our bubble huge and literally transform. And this comes back to. To be this little to Be that little kid that just plays. This is the spirit. Right. This is the information. So to get this broadcast into your body, you have a body, Right. You need to have a clean body. The way you came out of your mom. Yes, ideal. Out of your womb. What do you say? Out of the womb. Sure, that's the way. And obviously, if you have toxins installed on, let's say the dental repair, you're just not connected the way you could because this is distracting. And you know, an autism is like the most disconnected person has just one opening. And sometimes this opening is extremely representative. So they can maybe draw amazing pictures.

Yeah.

But the wholeness is gone because of chronic infections, toxicity, parasites. It's a whole realm. So if we all share this and work on having a clean physical body, the energy, the mental, the spiritual will all be cleaner. It's. For me, personally, I think it's more difficult to start from the spirit. Because if the bottom isn't clean. Oh, yeah, it's difficult.

I mean, that's why literally in our Pentagon, the physical is the base. Because if the physical is all. I mean, we're half beast, half spirit, dude. You know, we're a spirit inhabiting a physical body. Yes. The spirit needs care, needs connection, needs nourishment. But if the body is a vessel that the brain and the spirit and the emotional regulation can't work well in because the body needs cleansing or healing. Nothing works. That's why it's the base.

And that's why when someone is sick, they only want one thing, be healthy again. Because they know that the vessel, or like their. The TV station is broken.

Yeah. Right.

So that's why this is so important. There's this one real cool video on Instagram, I think, where one guy asks his friend, if I give you 10, 10 million today, would you say yes, of course. Yeah. Yes. Would you thank me? Yes. But it comes with one condition. You're going to be dead tomorrow. Will you still take it? So, no, right? No. So that means your life and your health is worth More than 10 million, right. That you would have? No. So it's priceless. So if you just take care about all this first, that is the biggest investment could ever do. Having the healthy vessel, the foundation, it's the house you're living in.

Yes. And you know what I find really fascinating, you know, we're all leading people to wholeness in our own lane, is that you said, when we're. When we're pure, we're coming out of the womb. Right. Did I hear you correctly? So when we come out of our mother and if they had proper nutrition, if they did the best they could to bring the most healthy baby into the world, then that baby is going to suffer less, unfortunately, because of toxins and parasites. And my lens that I look at life through, of emotional epigenetics, that baby in utero. There's a lot of studies about this.

Yeah.

That a baby in utero, when the mother is in high stress for, For a long period of time, the baby actually comes out with hypervigilance, pre wired in their neural tree. So they're going to be in fight or flight as a baby.

Yes.

So your work is so profound. The emotional epigenetics is profound. There's so many lanes that are profound, but at the same time, it's like we are literally all doing the same thing with our unique gift, with your unique skill set, your unique education and intelligence. It's just what we need is we need this massive global connection like you're talking about to bring it in the bubble where your transformation through the oral health and the entire body, the emotional epigenetics, Sean's work, everybody's work. Having it be all at the same table.

Yes.

And not having this illusion that, you know, if I attract people to my healing tools, then it's somehow going to take from yours. It's such a lie. It's such an absolute lie.

No, no, exactly. It's. It's co. Elevating. It's all of it, like ideally, like you just said it correct. There's many studies showing that ideally, before you even become a dad or a mom, you have that healed all like you become that clean vessel.

I mean, good luck.

I mean, that would be ideal.

Good luck, dude.

And it's gonna be transgenerational. So I'm, I'm 100. Sure. It takes a couple of generations to get cleaner and cleaner and purer and purer, but if we work on this together, I mean, it's. If it's evolution, Right. Yeah. Evolution always goes this way. So we need progress. So if we give our best, I'm sure our kids will give even their best. Sure. It's just transferring. Instead of going with the negative side of things, if we just all go with the positive side of things, we don't need to be perfect. Not at all. Then I think it's adding up. Right. And we consciously, in a whole species evolve.

Yeah.

On every level. And it's not about stress, about the opposite action.

This is so good. Okay, so we're not rats. We're human beings. Right. But I want to reference this study that's on the screen right now. And it dovetails to our whole conversation about total body health. Your lens through oral and then the complete system. There was a study done in South Africa, and it was a very robust study. And they traumatized a male mouse with real trauma. Then he bred with a female mouse that was not traumatized. They measured the nervous system capacity and the hypervigilance response for five generations. And they found a similar hypervigilance response in the rat that was five generations deep. So what I'm saying is like, if we're not aware, if we're not conscious of oral health, if we're not conscious of epigenetic healing, if we're not conscious of smart supplementation, it's really just a consciousness game. Otherwise nature will take its course. That study showed us that five generations deep, the neural tree was still affected. Isn't this fascinating?

Yeah, it's 100% fascinating. I think this is just a software problem. This bug is installed is like. And then it's going to be transferred. It's never changing unless someone in that lineage changes it and puts in a new software program. That's what I mean. It's body, physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, Clean everything. And also try to find as many of these unresolved traumas. While you do that, you will teach the same good things to your kids. They might have not have it then. And then they build their own thing like add, Uniquely owned. That's how we, I think, evolve over generation.

Agreed. Right, Agreed.

It's not about being perfect. It's just being a little bit better every day.

I love that you said how we teach our kids because the, the oil pulling has been interesting with the children. Right. It gets spilled a lot. So we're teaching our kids how to emotionally regulate. I read my child a book called Breathe, Belly Breathe.

Yeah.

So I teach him how to breathe when he's angry.

Oh, it's good.

How did you go about and how can we go about as parents teaching our kids to from the very beginning to have really beautiful oral health care? What does that look like for you and your family? And how do parents do that?

I think it's all about mirroring. You just have to live it and be. Be a super authentic about what you're doing. If, if they feel that you're just being you and you just do it, they will just copy it. I feel that they just copy your good and your bad behavior.

They're just watching you.

They're watching you and they copy it. But unfortunately they also copy all the bad things.

But can you speak to the parent who maybe is uneducated or they, they, they would love to know how to be that model for their own care that their children would copy.

Yeah, I think just live, live by example, practice what you preach. But yeah, so when it just about oral health, obviously you show them how you brush your teeth and don't stress about it needs to be coming come in a playful way. In the first two years it's not going to be playful because they just don't want to re brushing that.

He's like, they just like eat the toothpaste. They don't even brush.

They, they don't brush, they eat the tooth. They're like little cats and dogs. They have no conscious about this. They don't know why you're gonna do this and it's not gonna be, you can't change this. Yeah, just in this case just let it happen. Try it a little bit. And even if they just eat the toothpaste, but if you talk about eating toothpaste then definitely find a clean toothpaste. You don't want to have them eat the normal conventional toothpaste. That's actually detrimental. So to your health.

What's a clean toothpaste for kids and for adults?

Like I can, I cannot give you any brand names here because I don't know in America like I've designed one for Europe and it's basically what, what you would look in look for is something that you would eat. Like we have a coconut oil based toothpaste. It should have active ingredients. So instead of fluoride you do hydroxyl apatite. We use xylitol as a very good antimicrobial in there it should, yeah, could, should contain just active ingredients. We do lactoferrin in it. We have a probiotic in there. We have a patented version that is kind of like a supplement. It's for kids and adults. It brushes perfectly but it also balances your all complete oral microbiome and gives you certain nutrients. So it's actually designed to not being spit out. You leave it in your mouth.

Are you going to bring that to the U.S. yes.

Hopefully it's going to be by July, August this year.

Oh sweet. I'd love to try that with my family.

I'll send you one for sure. So we just had it brought out in, in, in Germany on Europe to test and I only ordered a six month supply and it was gone by three weeks. So I know it's going to be important.

Okay.

And it's actually quite difficult to get it to America or to find someone. But I think we, we now have one. So I think that is really, really super important because that's the most, I think it's one of the most questions I'm getting asked is what toothpaste do you recommend for me or my kids? First of all, there shouldn't be a difference.

I mean you go down the aisle, there's like literally a hundred toothpastes and they're all like we're the best.

I mean if you go to normal conventional, that's where most people are shopping.

They're shopping but they're all the same.

AGB or they're all the same. That's the, the normal brands. They're all the same. Yeah, literally there's fluoride in it, there's sodium lauryl sulfate, there's a lot of toxins. Chemical toxins is a bit harder. Let's say there's a lot of chemicals that are not supposed to be in your body and what they usually do is disinfecting something. They nuke your oral microbiome. And obviously fluoride is in, in dental curriculum. That's the gold standard. We're using fluoride and it's hard to get that out of the heads of our dentists because we're just so brainwashed. But you see it now in America is happening that fluoride water fluoridation is going to be banned. I think Utah did it as first state last month and I think Florida is right now on, on the edge. One of my students, Dr. Maya from, from Florida, she is in called all the time talking about this. So she. I think they're on the verge of going fluoridation free. So. Yeah, because it makes no sense. Why would you use a chemical that has side effects? If you could use the normal one which is hydroxyl apatite. I mean just use the one without side effects. Because it's been shown that fluoride in higher dosage obviously can make your IQ of a kid lower. It is also affecting your thyroid. Why would you use something if you have the same version in healthy. I think that's a no brainer to use something more clean. But I think what we have in the aisle is like the big companies never change a running system. Why would they? Yeah, I mean it works.

It's bringing in cash. Just let the machine run.

Exactly.

But this is, this is the unconscious capitalism that I've spoken about. So many times, like we. Capitalism at this point is the best we have. Right.

Definitely.

We don't have anything better yet. Right. I say yet because here, here we are. But if we can be conscious about it, then we can start pulling in these ingredients that you have this mastery of. The xylitol one is interesting for me. Yeah. Because we were chatting before I hit record and you said it can actually be sourced from a tree. So it's still nature, the xylitol.

Yes. Yeah. Xylitol is actually birch sugar.

Birch sugar.

However, probably because of like everything being optimized in saving money. It's none. It's probably a GMO version of something chemical where you can. You can produce everything out of chemicals. Right?

Yeah.

It doesn't need to be a natural one. Probably the bird sugar is just more expensive. So nuanced discussion would be xylitol because that's actually something in social media right now. Silo tool is getting a bad rep for no reason when it comes to dental or oral health. Because if we use xylitol in micro doses, which is like milligrams in a toothpaste, they're designed to be a Trojan horse for the oral pathogens that are linked to tooth decay, such as streptococcus mutants. We know that they eat sugar and they will create acid out of it and then like dissolve the tooth enamel a little bit. So if we give them xylitol, they feed on it, but they can process it so they die from it. That's a Trojan horse. So use it as a micro antimicrobial. However, in our bubble, a lot of people are becoming conscious about sugars, so they want to have a paleo bar or a paleo shake or keto version and all these sugar alcohols because not. Not being insulinogenic, they oftentimes misused or overused. Let's say a protein bar could have 15 grams of a silo sugar. Alcohol in 15 grams could be a strong antimicrobial in your gut, killing a few of the good bucks. You ending up having diarrhea. So that is the nuanced discussion that you usually don't see on social media that it's either good or bad. It's not. It's. It's very good at microdoses is not ideal in macro doses. Stevia also is an amazing antimicrobial. That's why I use it in my supplements or silotone. However, in huge doses, it can just change your microbiome because you're basically 90% bugs in your body. You're symbiont.

When I was dealing with chronic sinusitis, I. I used a xylitol.

Yes.

Rinse for my sinuses and it really helped.

Yeah.

And knock on wood. Like, I, I actually can connect it to trauma as well and my father and a lot of other things. I had chronic sinusitis my whole life. I mean, you name any antibiotic, I've taken it. Like, I had to really repair, you know, I got to really repair. But when I found the xylitol and actually through help of our, our mutual friend Dr. John Laurence, with his nasal sprays and all his treatments, I. I just felt so much better. So I'm wondering, like, from a pathway and healing standpoint, what's xylitol really doing? Both for the sinuses in the mouth.

Yeah. So there is, there's this. So I would prescribe you the same if you had sinus issues. We do a neti pot containing half and half citolin, sea salt. It's basically it. Just rinse it with it because again, that's some sort of over. Let's say too many of the pathogens in your nose.

Yeah.

Could cause issues there and inflammation. And then you have like blocked sinuses because the tissue is swelling up in there. You just don't get as much air if you want. So if you get something in the sinuses, which is if you go into your nose, they're in here, like above your teeth in here. Like three dimensional balloons. Yeah. You bring it through your nose into that and rinse it and then the cycle. Same as in the mouth microbiome. It kills the bugs in there. They just eat it and they explode in layman's term. So that's a good antibacterial, antimicrobial. It's amazing and it's natural. Why not use it? Big fan of John Leron's, actually, like, for everything he does, like, methylene blue. Like, I have a lot of ideas about it.

Yeah. Do you see methylene blue ever being part of oral care? Like.

Yeah.

For the mouth. How would that work out for the mouth?

You could just rinse with it. I mean, it's. It's. Again, again, methadone blue is an, Is a strong antimicrobial. Like, it's really disinfecting. It's a fish tank cleaner kind of. It's a dye and you can literally disinfect something with it. Yeah. So I personally love to do methadone blue a lot. Mainly for my gut. I'm not A big fan of using it in the mouth like the troches for your brain. Because for me, it's just for me personally, it's for a lot of people is amazing. My brain is on fire already, so I don't need to overstimulate it. So I rather have it in the gut. So I will drink it and don't really have it in the mouth, but you could actually use it as a rinse.

Perfect.

Rinse. If you have any sort of dysbiosis, I would encourage you to use a little bit of methylene blue. A lot of our patients or guests use methylene blue mainly as a strong antioxidant to help with the mitochondria and to offset oxidative stress, but also to rebalance the gut a little bit in phases. We usually do that on and off. Like I personally would like, let's say do one bottle of methylene blue, 10 milligrams a day until it's empty, then two months not. And then again on and off. Like all the time. Have so much good experience with it. But I'm drinking it.

Right. It seems like what I heard from you, the cycling of. Yeah, cleaning is good because then what's happening when you're not using it is there's a natural formation of the. Of the microbiome that's healthy anyways.

Yeah, of course you need your. You need a good microbiome. You don't want to kill a lot of things. You. You usually use it to rebalance it. You could. Yeah, use it strategically. I don't think it's something you should do all the time. And I feel like anything. Nutrition supplementation at one point, you should learn how to get intuitive about everything. Yeah, obviously I've designed a ton of protocols for people to see the forest, for the trees. Again, like even my food design is an umbrella above all the nutrient things. Same for, for micronutrients, but with the goal being getting your instinct back. Like a little like a. Like an animal. Yeah, like become instinctive. But to become instinctive, you have to first relearn processes. You have to unlearn stuff that you. That you taught and that you too conscious about until you get there again. So we have to give you a structure so that you realize in that. In that flow, oh, this is how I need to eat now with eating, obviously the right nutrition. You know what? I understand what I mean.

Oh, yeah. And the same thing applies to psychedelics and microdosing as well.

100.

We live here in Austin, so I guess you could say Austin, Louisiana, New York, Denver, Colorado. There are like, hubs of people that are just all about psychedelics. They're all about microdosing. And they do it every day, doing a big journey every weekend. It's like, this is not what it's designed for.

Like hero dosing it.

Yeah. In a corollary to what you said about methylene blue, you want to go and cycle it. Right. You want to have times where you're. You're cleaning it, but also tapping in. Same thing applies to psychedelics.

Same thing applies to everything. So I have a. I have guests coming in, like you said at the beginning, with a, like a pantry full of supplements. And usually what we literally do, we take it all the way.

They just bring like a whole nother suitcase that they check on with their supplements.

And then I know this is completely off because of course, I see an outside, as in extreme realm of, of guests. It started with like super sick patients. That's from cancer to neurological disease to now I actually have more people like us coming in, people that are optimizing their health, looking for the next edge. But. Or let's say high performance athletes, entrepreneurs, they also need a 10 out of 10. But they have seen too many practitioners often times. And like you say, too many cooks spill the.

The too many cooks in the kitchen.

That happens. And then I'm like, just, okay, for this phase of overall healing, leave that stuff in the pantry. Do what we tell you, only this, because then I can also direct you if something is happening, because I know exactly what you're doing as an architect. And then you learn a lot and you. All the stuff won't be bad, use it later. And then just giving them a strategy on how to time which intervention at what point. So a lot of people come in with this idea. They have, they have like a, they're in America and have a, A concierge service that's not exist in Europe yet, but you have. People are having medical concierge services where they're getting the best treatments from all over the place.

Yeah.

But they're having too many cooks again. And they actually don't. They know anything. They don't know what they're doing right now. So what they, they always want to do too much at the same time. So when they come in, let's say for the oral health optimization week, we obviously start with the right nutrition, let's say four week in advance, build them up so that when they come in, they're in supreme healing mode. They take the right nutrients and we also, obviously on site, have everything to make that dental procedure seamless so that you don't look like Rocky Balboa. That's why we use the IVs, the hyperbaric, the hypoxia training, the red light beds. That's why we have all these things there to make you heal simpler. But they all want to do an extra detox. But the biggest detoxification is first of all getting rid of all that stuff that's in your mouth. If you see a picture, and I will show that on the summit of stuff that we take out in your mouth from your mouth. It's like a pile of things. You look like a pirate from the Caribbean back in thousand years ago, full of metal, like a terminator. That is the biggest detox. But what happens oftentimes is because this part can be done by another health practitioner. They're doing a lot of heavy metal c lations and detoxifications while they're having the source in the mouth. So one thing is remove the sauce first and then build heal that thing. And then maybe when they get their teeth six months later, then it's time to look into your cell. Oh, do we need a push catch heavy metal detoxification? Do we need a chelation? But then it's time. So it's a timing thing. If you do too much at one time, you probably shoot yourself in the foot. You need someone guiding you on your path to journey optimal health. So that's what we do. It's kind of like a train. So station you come in from various different angles and we created one line and then give you the the exact way on how to go to this goal. And I'm not saying that we do it all, but let's say the 80% approach. That's why it's a complete health center. The blueprint of what I'm imagining should be the gold standard. And yeah, bringing this now to the world.

I trust that it will. I mean, if somebody's not inspired about oral health Ms. Podcast, I don't know where, wherever else they're going to be stoked. You know, it's funny, there's an I like the metaphors we're describing today. If all you're holding is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. And I look at healing as that because whether it's someone in psychedelics or even even maybe unconscious dentistry or medicine or even acupuncture, acupressure, if a practitioner or if a healer only holds one tool in their hand, then they're just gonna treat every patient, every customer, every guest as a hammer and a nail. Yeah. And they're well meaning people. I'm not here to shame anyone. Like they, you know, they're devoting their life to this. But I really love how you have this whole complete lens because then you can look at someone and be like, okay, well maybe a hammer and nail is good right now. Maybe they actually just need some sandpaper. You know, like having that approach that, it's almost like a 50,000 foot view of someone instead of just a five foot view. That seems to be the secret sauce.

The blueprint. It's, that's what I say, the blueprint. The architect. Exactly. We don't want to shame anyone, but yes, if you only have a hammer. And I couldn't have said it better, like that's it. You have to have a ton of toolkits, tools in your kit and use them all so that then you see for this individual, we need this right now and only this. And then obviously you, you stay open minded and every little, every day you learn something new. So I'm learning all the time and if I implement it on myself, that's why I'm teaching this to my dentist too. We practice what we preach. Real bees be real. You have to live it by example. They have to change their nutrition, they have to start working out. We kick their asses until they're also practicing it. Because only then I think you'll be able to guide. If I'm a dentist having a ton of root canals, my mouth and metals, I'm not going to help you with that because I just have not experienced that level. Yeah. But also obviously I'm missing a lot of things too. And I'm never saying I'm perfect or anything. I'm just open minded and I'm extremely curious in learning new things every single day. Like new thing that I like to try, I tried first for me, see what happens. Very structured when it comes to this precise surgeon. Probably like really figuring out how it works, implement it, if it's good or even sometimes I throw out, throw off things that I tried for a long time and think, okay, that tool is not too good. Yeah, don't need it anymore. Yeah, it's better things. Yeah, that's, don't be stuck.

No, that's the mark of a good carpenter. You just, you have a really big tool bag and then you just use the ones that work and you find you can have a better tool. So then what's something that you're Trying on right now, again, this is not medical advice. What's something that you're trying on right now that you're in the process of testing that's exciting you a little bit?

You mean for the clinic or for me?

Just for yourself, for your health. For your health, for the clinic, for life.

For my health is actually I'm always trying, like losing, using as little as possible, like literally being a little kid, going extremely intuitive, like losing all the things I've learned, like too much. Like just literally feel it in the moment, like learn to be more aware. For example, if I see something like that, I suddenly see that there's a supplement, for example, I know I have to take it now, for example, this, this way of thinking that you don't have your strict regimens that I obviously need a lot for guests and patients, but not necessarily for me because I've mastered it and it's all about being intuitive. So I think that's what I'm stoked on. For example, I personally try oftentimes the opposite of what I'm teaching, just to see what happens, if that's possible too. Mostly, let's say a heavy metal chelation is usually often at one point necessary for someone who had dental repair because you had that stuff in your body for such a long time. So in order to do that, you usually have to rebuild your guests a lot because the detoxification will break down walls again. You need a lot of nutrients. But what if someone like me, who is already like boosted to the extreme, needs nothing to do a chelation and does the opposite? So I tried that, for example. So I tried heavy metal chelation without being, using any supplement at the same time. Is that even possible if you in a different state, like if you load it and actually for me, I realized it was an extremely good strategy. It only helped me because it cleaned out, for example, my liver because I just used too many things, like too much supplements. A lot of, a lot of guests or patients, they come, they, they, they check their blood work and they're often having high liver enzymes. And I'm just like, oh, you may be taking too many supplements because your liver, for example, doesn't distinguish between you, your food, your supplements, the, the, the air you're breathing, it's just something it has to transform and, and get rid of. So oftentimes you have high liver enzymes because you're taking too much supplements for the high level. You understand?

Sure.

So this is all the balance and yeah, stuff that I do, but I also love to, to Because I'm teaching so much. Mainly my main thing is actually teaching. So if I do surgeries, I usually have another dentist from all over the world with me learning all this. Or someone. Yeah. That comes to get trained. So it's usually teaching. So when you teach a lot, you get a completely new perspective on everything. Of course, completely different.

When you're a master teacher, you're a master learner.

Yeah, exactly. You learn different.

And it's incredible.

Yeah, it's literally. And sometimes I tell it to when I give courses or on stage. When I'm on stage, I try to be just the vessel and I download. I have a flow in my mind of what I'm probably have to say. But I often, when it's filmed, I listen to it again. I'm like, that was an amazing idea that just went through. Sure. I always told my students to, like, write down what I'm saying, what's not on the slides. That's the good news. Stuff like. That's the stuff that I'm. That's coming. So seeing. Seeing yourself actually, like, it's just a filter for everything that comes through. That is also. I'm excited about it.

All right, last curious question. The nicotine pouches. I use them. I've used them for maybe a couple of years. Are there any adverse effects of using nicotine pouches for the mouth?

I think it's, again, a question of nuance and. And dose. So I feel like I only. Funny enough, I bought the nicotine pouch when we. When we met last time, Max Lugerware gave me a package of these. Of these pouches. I never had that before. And for me, personally, it feels amazing. If I have that.

Oh, yeah.

But I only do that very strategically. I still have the first pouch back, so there's like 20 in it. So within a year, only the 20. But I can imagine, because it's a great feeling that some people would get addicted to it. And if you get addicted to it, I'm not sure what's really in it. I'm quite sure it's a little bit acidic. It's a little bit. There's some chemicals in it. Right. It probably won't be ideal if you do that five times a day, but if you use it, like, strategically once or twice a week, I don't think it's a problem. I don't think anything is a problem, to be fair. I feel like as soon as you make it a problem is a problem.

What do you mean, as soon as you make it a problem?

If you Over. If you focus on something, it's going to be more a problem than it is actually is. You know, the placebo and no sibo effect. That's another science.

In other words, if you worry about something potentially being bad, it could turn bad.

No, it actually is bad. Then like the placebo is that. That is medical science. It is the worst. Like if. If the media tells you about something bad happening and you're in fear state, fear state is the worst. So you would need a placebo to get you out of fear state. So the. It's all just information. Basically everything is information. So if you believe it's going to be bad for you, it's going to be bad for you. If you believe it's going to be good for you, it's going to be good for you. So the idea is, obviously you should be intuitive about your body and there is things your body just literally don't tolerate. Maybe you're allergic to a couple of things. Just find out of them. But most of the things, if you strategically use them. I think if you use like you.

With your podcasting is when I usually do it.

Yeah. No, but also with the psychedelics, I think if you use them like once a month or like once a half a year in a. In a controlled environment.

Right.

It probably is strategic. Good idea.

Absolutely.

However, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that every day.

Absolutely not. Yeah. No. You see?

You see what I mean?

Yeah. Who said this? Bob Proctor was talking about, if you have family members that you can tell are really bothersome, just don't go as often and don't stay as long as.

Exactly.

And it's the same thing with any kind of external brace, whether it be nicotine or alcohol. I don't think alcohol is inherently evil. I think, like, I don't drink personally at all.

Never did.

I just. Well, I mean, I drank probably a lifetime worth. Yeah. Okay. Up until I was in my 30s. Me too. And now I'm just like, I'm good alcohol. I go the rest of my life without one drop of alcohol and feel amazing.

I'm the same because I drank for three lifetimes when I was a kid. Yeah. So I'm okay with that too. But again, I. I think it's. If you make it. If you make people being afraid of alcohol and then they do it, I think it's going to be worse. Just smashing it and have a good time.

Right.

Once.

Yeah.

Of course, it wasn't smart for me, starting with 14 and drinking like 10 years straight, five times a week. Probably not the best idea.

Yeah.

However, I didn't think back then that it would. Would be bad. I was just doing it. Had fun.

Sure.

So if I would have thought every single day, oh, God, I'm doing something bad for my healthier, I probably would be sick.

Yeah.

Like, literally, probably very sick. Because, you know, there's all the sciences there. If you believe you have the cancer, you're going to be the cancer.

That's right.

Prostate. There's a great prostate study that we know that when you 70, 80 years old, you have some sort of prostate cancer. But these people die with prostate cancer, not from it. Yeah. So there's this PSA guy. You know the psa? Psa, that's the marker for. It's a PSA psa. So the guy who invented is an American dude. I forgot the name. He. He pulled back from it at least a decade ago because he said, oh, no, I didn't know that. That's going to be, like, a huge economical boost for treating symptoms. That's what he said. Because that wasn't his idea. Because obviously, if you look for something, you're going to find it. But is that really the problem? Imagine you live in Sicily and you maybe have, like, a tumor somewhere, but there's no hospital looking for it. You're going to be 80, you die with it. So if you focus on something being bad, it's going to be bad. If you search for something, you're going to find it. So if you search for health, and I think that's what we're all here for, you're going to find health. If you're on. If you're afraid and you search for something you're afraid of, you're going to find that one. Like, that's just what's happening. Because your reality is your perception. Your brain can't distinguish between real life and in your mind, you can't. You can literally train skateboarding in your head. The tricks, you just replay them all the time. You're going to be able to do that still.

Well, let's just mic, drop it right there. What an exceptional podcast man. I love the flow we're in today. I love your ability to connect all these what seem to be siloed subjects.

Oh, yeah.

And really bring them to one lens. So tell people where they can connect with you. What's your Instagram? Where do they go?

Thanks. I like the silo thing. We shouldn't be a silo. No, we should. All these little islands we should be one big.

Really what we are are illusionary silos connected by an emotional mycelium.

Yeah.

That's really what we are.

Good one. And where you can find me. Yeah. Instagram is easy. It's just Dr. Dom1d o M E1 and you find it everything there or Dr. Dome official would be the website.com Amazing thing, man.

Thank you for my guest. Round two. This was great. Round two.

Thanks for having me so I enjoyed it, y'. All.

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