Your NATURAL LAW Right: Embracing the New Age of Humanity | Jesse Elder @WellnessAndWisdom

If somebody experiences fear or unrest in themselves, my invitation and my request for somebody would be to just put your hand on your solar plexus or your heart and just go, I'm here, I'm here. I'm good. I am an individual having a human experience and I'm safe. When you become truly present, you're always safe. The present moment is always safe.

Jesse, welcome to my house. Welcome to Wellness Wisdom.

Thank you for being here. Great to see you here, man. We've been teeing this up for a long time.

For a minute. Yeah, you were already dropping some wisdom, so I thought, let me take a breath with Jesse and really unpack layer by layer, what's going on in the world? What's going on with your internal world? Cause I love your internal world. Every time I've hung out with you at a function or I've seen you around town, there's this peace inside of you. And when I look at you, when I experience you as a soul, it's always been this enjoyable process. Now granted, I'm getting you at functions, I'm getting you at parties. This is gonna be a really cool experience for me to share your wisdom and maybe some of the layers that you haven't shared in a while, you know, creating this awesome space for your wisdom. If people don' Know you, how would you explain who you are of service to the world today? We're recording this in early April, so it's probably going to change in May, but you know, here we are, man, in early April. You've done 2,000 interviews and people know you as a high level coach, multi million dollars earned. All this stuff on the paper and scratch to make you feel good. But on an emotional level, on a, on a service level for the world, who are you? Who are you today in April?

That's a great tf, man. I want to go back real quick to something you said and your experience of when we've hung out. And I think that that is very much a result of what you radiate like. And I see the way people interact with you and I see the way that you interact with others. And I think that when two people connect personally, professionally, whatever, they're on the same channel, the same frequency. And so it's like mountaintop to mountaintop. It's like, oh, yeah, there you are. Okay. And so I appreciate, appreciate very much your kind words. And I think that, that it's just, that's what happens when you have resonance. So I'm completely stoked about what we're going to crack into today.

Thanks, Jesse. It's a bromance brewing.

It is, it is right here.

Mutual respect.

Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, well, so, so to answer the question of, of who I am and all that kind of stuff, I had, I had some former business partner who's in town a couple of months ago and they're part of Tony Robbins platinum group. So a bunch of platts, they call themselves a bunch of platinum people were in town and one, one of them, we really hit it off and he's like, hey man, can you come by the hotel? You know, we're going to be on break and you know, I'd love to chat with you a little more because we were talking about law and talking about authentic self expression and you know, all these things. And so I ended up going to this hotel. So Tony's rocking the thing in the room and you know, you can hear the buzz and people are starting to get, get high on that, on that vibe. And I found myself in a coffee shop surrounded by eight or nine of these, you know, high level entrepreneurs. And next thing I know I'm just like talking and listening and this woman said out loud, she's like, oh my God, you are the freest man I have ever met. And it didn't really hit me until later that like that, that is my entire existence, my entire life has been designed to continually experience increasing amounts of freedom. And so my work is very much in, in enabling and facilitating and, and, and amplifying that for other people. But I think in a, in a nutshell that that would be, that would be what I do is I amplify freedom.

What does freedom feel like on a somatic level?

What is that feels like a crackling blue sky just shimmering inside of your solar plexus.

That feels good. And, and what does freedom not feel like? How would one know that they're not living in freedom?

They're paying taxes, getting vaccinated, sending their kids to public schools and eating factory farmed sludge.

All right, well that's an entire podcast right there. You have a really, really beautiful story. I know you've told it a lot, but you know, today just creating the space for you to share it however you want to share it, whatever feels true to you today. Huge background in martial arts. By the time you're in your young 20s, you're already like owning a center. Multimillion dollars. You have a deep physical background. You're a very physical. And I just recently, man, when I got back from the vision quest, I was showing Those photos on my computer from the quest. And when I was in my spot, I realized, like, wow, Wellness for me used to be a quadrant. It used to be a square. It was the physical, which is the baseline, which you spend a long time in martial arts working on. Then it was the emotional, the mental, and the spiritual. And what was missing for me was this roof. And it was financial. You know, we're souls. We signed up to be here on planet Earth at this time. We may as well enjoy the game of money. So contrast that. You know, the mental, the physical, the spiritual, the emotional, the financial. Let's start in your early 20s and just go from that place, because looking back, as Alan Watts says, the vacuum that was created for you to be here and serve all these entrepreneurs and these platinum people and everything else, it's quite the story, man. It's quite the story.

Well, even just you saying that, I'm doing a little time piercing of my own remembering, you know, the day that I opened my martial arts school in San Antonio. I was 23 years old, and I. I already felt like I was behind. You know, I'd had this. This vision of having my own school since I was, like, 15 years old. And it really, like, it seemed like it took forever. And it's only in retrospect that you're like, dude, I was a kid. Like, I was 23 years old, like, opening my own business, and it certainly didn't feel abundant, and it didn't feel at all like I was in the flow and all those things. And I'm very appreciative of those experiences because when. When I was, like, nine years old, oldest of five, homeschooled, we lived in. Born in Austin, grew up in San Antonio, South Texas, and had. I'm so appreciative to my parents for listening to their intuition.

Homeschooled? Were you born at home as well?

I was not. I'm the only one of my siblings that wasn't.

Ah, so they were like, never again.

Yeah, they're like, all right, cool. Got that. Yeah. Y. So, yeah, I wasn't born at home, but. But I've never been to school or taken a test or sat behind a desk or anything like that. And so When I was nine, I started training martial arts and did that for 10 years and then had a baptism in reality, when I. This woman I was dating, we were at this house party and I was 19 years old, and there's this dude just mad dogging me from across the room. And I asked her, I'm like, What's this guy's deal? And she's like, oh, well, that's. That's my boyfriend. I was like, what? So I'm like, heartbroken, angry.

It's like a scene from a movie, dude. It was my boyfriend.

Yeah, it was. I was like. And I was. I had crippling anxiety, man. I was so, so, so shy. So to even, like, be dating this woman was, like, a big deal for me. And then, long story short, I end up saying, you know what? All right, fine. You guys do your thing. So I leave, and I'm walking down the driveway, and. And this dude just tackles me. We go to the ground, and the first thought through my mind is, this guy's going to get disqualified. Because I'd fought in all these tournament fought. I'd competed in all these tournaments, and I played sport, martial arts, and had heard from so many people, hey, man, good fight, good fight, good fight, good fight. Well, when you're 9 to 19 and you hear that a few hundred times, good fight, you start to think you are a good fighter. That baptism, in reality, it popped my cherry, man. I was on the ground, this guy's, like, punching me, and I'm bounce bouncing around. Mike had roughly the combat skills of your son. At this point, I was just like, what do I do?

Yeah.

And. And it changed everything for me because I realized that all this work that I'd been putting in to winning trophies and got my black belt and all these things that. That fell apart the moment actual reality set in. Luckily, you know, people kind of pulled this apart, and I'm, like, shot through with adrenaline, and my heart's pounding, and this guy's, like, six feet away, and he's yelling at me, I'm going to kill you. And I do a little moral check. Like, he started it, right. Okay. Is it wrong if I kick him? No, he started. Okay. Three, two, one. And I round kicked him in the head. He just, like, dropped like a sack of concrete. I jumped over him like a gazelle, hauled ass. But my world had changed forever because I realized that I'd been operating under a false premise. The false premise being that the kick that I'm going to do on the heavy bag or the combination that I'm going to do with my sparring partner somehow is going to magically translate into the ability to protect myself. It could not have performed worse. And so I wasn't mad at my instructors. I realized that they were just learning, or they were teaching what they'd learned from their instructors. But martial arts, most Martial arts schools are beautiful places to expand your mind, your body, connect with people. It's an amazing workout, but it's art. And that was a distinction that I had. I'd never realized. And so it was about as effective as other arts like finger painting and. And it just didn't translate. So I began to wonder how many other things in my life I just accepted. And so I became. I didn't language this way back then, but I recognized that that was the beginning of beginning to massively split, test entire belief systems and really testing different paradigms and not identifying with anyone at the. At the macro level. But when I was in it, I was in it. So I began training jiu jitsu. I'm like, I'm a jiu jitsu guy now. And then I'm. I'm gonna be vegan, and I'm full on vegan. And then I'm vegetarian. I'm vegetarian. And all of that testing led to when I opened my school, realizing that I don't know jack about running a business. In fact, business makes me want to poke my eyes out because it's not. Doesn't feel real. It feels fake. When I started learning sales scripts and all that, I was like. Like, I think most of us feel that way, hopefully. I mean, hopefully, because it is. It can be soulless, man. And a lot of people are willing to sell their soul if they can just make some money and then they'll be themselves.

It's like, okay, there's a recipe here, because I think Mike Tyson said, everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the face.

Right, right, right.

And I'm like, okay, there you are. A spiritual awakening through violence, big time. Which is interesting because you could have. What was it about your soul? You could have chosen to be like a victim and go, oh, yeah, like, you know, he was a jerk. And you could have, like, went to the gym and did steroids and built yourself up and armored up and done all these things. What was it about your soul that said, oh, okay, I'm going to see this as a spiritual awakening. Getting my. My butt kicked or getting in a fight with someone else. That's not always people's first choice to spiritually awaken.

Right, right.

What was that for you?

Well, I really appreciate that distinction. It didn't feel like a spiritual awakening at the time. At the time. But as I look back and start to connect the dots, I recognize that all of those experiences contained the raw fuel for a new belief. And. But you don't get the New belief automatically. Just because you go through something traumatic or painful or sad or depressing or what, Just because you go through that experience doesn't guarantee an upgrade. It just provides a lot of raw material with which to fashion the upgrade. So I became, you know, I realized right away that nobody cares how good you are. Martial arts, they don't care how much you love teaching. It's like, what's in it for me? So I started to understand that the less I demonstrated and the more I asked questions about what you want for your son or your daughter to learn. And then I started to realize, oh, martial arts is superior than anything else they're trying. So try the class. And eventually we ended up very successful. And you were one of the top.

Schools in the country at that time.

Yeah, I mean, in the world, really, we.

In the world, we, we.

And I, full credit to my mentors and my coaches and had amazing business partners and. And I have always just sort of recognized that I. I've always loved toggling back and forth between leading and following. And so if it's time to lead, then I don't need to be told. I see something needs to be done and I do it. At the same time, if there's a result that I'm after and I think is going to be useful for me or for others, I'm going to find who's embodying that result, not talking about it. In fact, they don't have to say anything. I could just see how much it resonates, and then I'll do whatever it takes to be around those people, learn from them, train from, train with them. And in that way, my ego is extremely involved at learning as much as I can. So I'm not competitive with anybody. I don't see the competition is not for me. It's not a useful frame. But I'm hungry. And after a while, you absorb so much information and then you're constantly testing, and next thing you know, you have a level of functional mastery that might have taken, you know, 10 years of trial and error. But if you compress it down into a tightly focused chunk of time in martial arts, we would say that that success isn't measured on the calendar. It's measured on the clock and on the mat. So I've really never used calendar time as a. As a factor in achieving a goal. And with my clients, we do the same thing. It's like calendars are relevant. All achievement really is an emotional journey. And so when you have the emotional normalization of, let's say a million dollars, or the emotional normalization of being of profound, useful influence. When you make that emotional journey and you normalize that, all of a sudden the idea of what to do next arises naturally, and you just do it, and it feels like deja vu. From the outside, it looks like a quantum leap, but for you, it's like, I still put my pants on.

Well, there's a lot to unpack there. Okay. You described in a beautiful way, with your own words and your own life experience, is this model that we've Talked about for 3 years now on wellness wisdom. And that is the arc of intelligence. We gather. We get learned from the best masters. We listen to Jesse, we take his programs, we listen to the podcast, we spend our time gathering. Then we apply. We actually do the thing. We do the carnivore, we do the vegan. We try it on, we see if the sweater itches. And then at some point, there's embodiment, and it's that phase of 1, 2, and 3. That's the arc and the embodiment. Like, you're right. When I'm around somebody and they embody a certain quality or virtue, I don't have to ask them if they do or even ask myself if they do. There's an unknowing, like a sixth sense. That's a deep, intuitive sense where I'm just like, yeah, that person embodies this. It's not a heuristic. I'm not creating a shortcut and be like, oh, that's the breathwork guy, or Jesse's the business guy. I'm not saying that, but there is something to that. I mean, how many times have you gone through that? Gather, apply, embody, model in the road to where you are now? Probably countless times.

Yes. Yeah. I love that frame so much, man, because it very similar to the way that a lion cub will learn to hunt. It has an innate instinct to do it, but it also is observing. And so that constant harmony between your felt sense and your environmental influence, frankly, that's. That's why so many people never tap their genius, is because their layers removed from their own actual experience of life. Even somebody watching this, listening to this, is on. On a phone, they're on an iPad, they're on a computer. There's a removed layer. And even if we get into the wildest, craziest stories today, somebody can have an emotional sense, and some of it will resonate, but it's still not their direct personal experience.

Right.

And so what I'm hearing and what you Say is that when you sense that and you can kind of grok that in somebody else, that, wow, this person really embodies X whatever it is, you don't need them to say anything. You know, it's like Rumi said, who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying. And coming back to coaching and to leadership, that is the ultimate unfair advantage for anybody who's in a leadership position. Because when you're embodying these principles that are on the wall and your mission statement in your boardroom, when you embody them, you can take that sign out and crumple it up and make a fire and cook lunch over it. And it will be more useful than hanging on the wall if you embody it. Culture, company culture is how everybody acts when you're not there. Like, you don't need to have somebody teach it. You either are it or you're not. And everybody's learning. Like a lion cub.

I love the analogy of the lion cub. Like, they're, they're born with an instinct. They kind of know how to lion, by the way. They're crazy. Have you seen a lion, like, lick skin off? A lion's tongue so powerful that it can lick skin off? They're so incredibly instinctual. They're killers, yet they also know how to play with one another. They learn by playing and by doing their own martial arts. And I think about how many kids have, like, the perfect parents, the parents that are, you know, attached or, or disassociated. Your parents gave you a lot of space.

Tremendous.

I mean, they, I think you even said they, they knew how to stay out of my way or something. Something like that, yeah. What was the advantage of having parents that were a little more hands off and then also as an embodied man. Now, looking back, were there any disadvantages?

Always, yeah, there's always disadvantages. And, and so much of that, most of it maybe is perception and is the choice of how to see it and what story we're going to choose to tell about the event. Because the event has no meaning by itself. It's like, you know, when I had this freedom, which is great, and my dad being completely very principle oriented towards contribution and towards global community, was very connected to the refugee situation in El Salvador and Guatemala and Nicaragua and the, the. In the 80s, there's this civil war that was happening down. There wasn't civil wars, it was engineered insurrection. But people are getting killed and they're getting tortured and these death squads are roaming around. And so a bunch of them are coming to the US and my dad and my mom felt very compelled to help. So we ended up living in San Benito, which is a little town outside of Harlingen in the Valley in Texas. And my dad was the director of this halfway house for Central American refugees and was vocal about his conviction that this just needed to be done and it was breaking the law. It was a felony. And he ended up getting arrested for aiding and abetting illegal aliens and was extremely outspoken about it. Ended up going to trial, got acquitted. It was this big public thing. Hollywood found out about it. They wanted to do a movie about our family and all this stuff. And he was very adamant. He said, I'm not gonna. He said, these people need help and I feel compelled to help them. So I'm going to. I'm going to keep helping them. Ends up getting arrested again. This time, ends up getting convicted. And I was 10 years old, sitting in the courtroom in the, in the, in Houston where the trial was. And I remember the foreman of the jury standing up and saying, you, Honor, we have reached a verdict. We find the defendant, Jack Elder, guilty. And they start naming off the counts. And every count was six or seven years federal time. So I'm 10 years old listening to this and I remember vividly my whole body just went cold. And I'm doing the math in my head, seven years for every count. And the meaning that my 10 year old mind made up from that is that I'm never going to see my dad again. And I grew up instantly that second, that day. I grew up emotionally because the meaning that I created is that if my dad's not going to be here, then I have to take care of my mom, my brothers. As it turns out, he ended up getting like five months in a halfway house in San Antonio, three miles from our house, was at home. Every day he just had to go back there to sleep. And they let him out a month early if he promised not to tell the press because it was this huge political football. So I didn't miss my dad, but the emotional impact was still the same.

Right.

So the reason I share that story is because it would have been very easy to create a story that my dad loved other people more than he loved us and that he left us. That story is there and it was. Is easily defensible, it's easily justifiable. Would get lots of people going, oh, yeah, but is that a useful story? No. So I'd never told that story.

I've never heard that story. I had no idea.

Yeah.

Thank you for sharing that.

Well, and you're welcome. And. And I don't just mean telling the story of what happened, but, yeah, the representation of what it meant is a story. And so if the story could have been my dad abandoned us, or the story could have been my dad is a law breaker, or the, you know, story. It could have been all these other stories. But I was around 16, 17 years old when I started to understand the connection between my internal representation of something and then my emotional state around it and then the behaviors and then ultimately the results that I'm creating. And I started to, from early age, started to understand that, man, I'm just making this whole thing up. And it was weird for a while because I was like, am I crazy? But then I'm like, well, what's crazy? You know, it's just a different reality, hopefully one that doesn't hurt people.

What is it about our. Our, I guess you could say almost like an arbiter of true and false, where you could have chosen, all right, my dad's a criminal and he left us. And you could have literally imprinted that subconsciously, totally, and ran with it.

Exactly.

Ten years.

Exactly. What.

What is that in our psyche? I know you. You're deep into neuroscience, and your work. You work with some really amazing people that need that brain support in neuroscience. What is it about our brains or the way that we have been designed, Jesse, that makes us either choose the story that's super disempowering or the story that in some way, we make meaning and we make love.

Yeah. Yeah. So good. So, you know, we're relational beings, and a fundamental need that every one of us has is connection.

Yeah.

And we will do anything to create connection. Even somebody whose heart is closed and they're experiencing a lot of pain and anger and fear, and then that becomes this sort of driver for control of other people. They're still getting connection. They're still getting attention, even if that attention is fear, even if that attention is anger, they're still relevant. They're still important. So we will do anything, anything to create connection, even if it's around pain. And so since most people have unresolved pain and stories that are sort of floating around that are painful stories, would.

You call it, AKA trauma?

Pain, Trauma, or is it. Yeah, it could. Can be. It definitely can be. And so since since virtually everybody has this unresolved pain, then, like, we're just walking around as, like, giant, you know, bags of woundedness. And so it's very easy to connect through pain. So if I have a story of this thing happened to me and it sucked, other people go, ah, me too. And now we're connected. And so I get to have attention and the presence of someone else, which is what we all actually want. And I. You can learn very quickly that if I just tell this story that then other people will pay attention to me and then they'll tell their story and I'll pay attention to them. And, and a lot of people figure out in the marketing world that if you have a story and you tell the sad story and then you tell the triumphant story, that then that kind of helps people. It also keeps that story very active. And so I've just learned that if, if words are spells and I believe that they are, and if words don't have any meaning by themselves, but if they are vehicles for meaning that we assign to them, then I probably ought to choose my words pretty carefully. So I just stopped asking. Going back to the baptism in reality, on that, on that street fight, I stopped asking what's true and I just started asking what's useful? And as I started to ask, is this useful? It was an instant yes or no. And if it was a no, this isn't useful, well then that forced me to consider what would be useful. So as I retold the story and re presented the story to myself over and over about that experience with my dad, I started to see all these other elements of that. I started to see the power of conviction, the power of following your beliefs regardless of what other people say, in his own way, authentic self expression. And I began to just take that and like, okay, well that's, that's useful. That's useful, that's useful.

That's a magic reframe. Is it useful or is it true? Because truth can be subjective or objective.

Bingo.

I can drop a rock and go, okay, objectively, we all agree there's gravity.

Yeah, yeah.

But you know, when I, when I take something and I make it subjective, it's only my truth.

Right?

It ain't yours.

Right?

And I think that's a really big point to talk about. Like, when you say, is it useful, do you mean is it useful to my dream, to the quality of my life? Like, what are you saying it's useful for?

So that is the magic. Because only you can decide the context of that question. That presumes that you have authority over your own life. And you are the one deciding what kind of future you want to live in. You're deciding what moral code you want to live by. You're deciding the values that you're going to express. So asking that question, is it useful? Then gets projected onto all these other things that you now have responsibility for. And so it's a confrontational question when you start asking people, is it useful? And they're like, for what? For what? For what? You're like, well, you're the. You're the one creating your life here. So, you know.

Yeah.

And it's pretty cool. Like. Like, I remember in 2013, I sold all my martial arts schools and was. Had no idea what I was going to do. I also got divorced six months later. And so the sale of the business basically went to pay for the divorce because I had. I was. Felt a lot of guilt and I thought, I'll always be able to take care of myself, but I don't want her to suffer and be scared. So basically I just took the money from the sale of the business and just pass it through to her. Which also meant that I'm like, starting over again in 2013.

So what, what age were you then? 2013.

40.

So at 40, which is when a lot of men and women go through, like, the 40, that's another story, right? 40s downhill, which I think is complete bullshit.

Totally, totally bullshit. 40 is literally the new adolescence.

It feels like it sometimes. I'm about to be 42 this year and I'm just like, whoa. I feel like I am literally starting over all the time. Obviously that's not a totally true story in your frame. The usefulness of that, though, is that it keeps me humble and it keeps me hungry. That's the usefulness of that story. So it is useful.

Totally.

So what you do from that place where you're getting ricocheted into the universe and starting over, that's crazy.

Yeah. Well, and. And that's where all of these philosophies and things that I tested it all. Then I was like, okay, well, how much of the stuff that I've been thinking is useful and how much of it is and how much of these things that sound nice that I've been like, preaching in my martial arts class? Well, here I am, like back on the. In the street fight again. I'm about to find out how useful I am to the world. And if I'm not useful to the world, I'm not going to pay my bills. And if I am useful to the world, then I would expect to be received in proportion to my usefulness. So in 2013, didn't know what I was doing, but I had two clients who I had had just very serendipitously connected with. And one of them was Garrett White. And this was. He was, like, just getting warrior going. And so we met at a bar after he spoke at Yannick Silver's Underground, and we just had this conversation, and it was just like. Like, I see you. And I. He gave me his number, and we're like, all right, see you around. Next day, I'm walking to the airport or walking from my taxi to the airport, and I just sent him a video. And I was like, hey, man, it was really cool to meet you last night. You're on. You're on an awesome path. See you around. That was it. He sends me a message back, and he's just, do you know Garrett?

I know of his work.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's very polarizing, but a lot of the stuff he says I resonate with.

Right.

Well, I don't.

And he's. He's very authentically himself.

Yes, he is fully himself.

Right, right. And so you. You don't have a question of where he stands.

Yeah.

So anyway, Garrett sends me a video back, and he's like, I don't even know where to look on this damn thing. But that was the most spiritual conversation I ever had at a bar. Anyway, he ended up becoming a client. And then I had one other gentleman, Kevin Thompson, who was an Internet marketer. I didn't know anything about Internet marketing, and so I'm working with these guys and very appreciatively paying my bills. Didn't really know what the message was. Didn't have anything to share. And this is why I bring up all this whole point, truth versus usefulness, Because I started to feel the exact same pattern of when I was 23 years old, opening my school. And here's these Google gurus and business consultants, and they're like, oh, here's. Here's what you say to sign somebody up. And I'm like, but that's not what I believe that I. I can't. And I fast forward. I ended up feeling the same thing. You know, people are like, oh, man, dude, your. Your posts are great. Like, we can blow you up. And, you know, I got the marketing bros come out, and they're just like, oh, we're gonna just do this thing for you. And you can scale. You can scale. I'm like, but I don't feel good around you. Like, I'm sure you're a genius at what you do, and I'm sure there's other people that you mesh really well. With. So I decided not to go the traditional marketing route and I decided to do what I've always done, which is just feel my connection to my purpose, feel of service and of usefulness, and go about my life. And as I did that, I got this idea. I made a video, posted the video, started calling them mind vitamins. And that's been the basis of everything that I've done. And we've tested traffic, and it's done very well. But like, it's not interesting for me, the usefulness question. Is it useful to do paid traffic, for example? Obviously, yes, for a lot of people. For me, it's not at this particular time. Maybe it'll change, but I've never felt an intimate connection by running paid traffic. I'm sure that's some sort of block and, you know, thing that I have. But if I can do a training or video that is just in flow and is authentically coming from recent relevant experience, and if I can turn that into an engaging, entertaining and useful lesson for somebody else, that they can go apply and receive benefit, now I feel like we're getting somewhere. And absent any of those elements, I don't deserve a fucking penny.

A lot of your success, I feel, has come from your ability to connect head to heart and articulate that connection. You know, I mentioned Hawkins on this show quite a bit, and he has the emotional frequency scale and he talks about that. The biggest space for many of us is between our head and our heart. It's so hard to connect those two depending on our level of process. Trauma, capital T, lowercase T. And also just the ways that we've learned from the education system. When I was on my vision quest, I realized, wow, I've actually been traumatized from the educational system.

Anybody who's been through it has.

I was in public school. We really need to presence this right now in our conversation. The educational system, the ivory towers, they're showing cracks and they're going through a decentralization process because fundamentally, on an energetic level, there is evil and corruption there from the. From the get. From the jump from the plantation owners that would try to schedule curriculum so that it would keep people in slavery. It hasn't really changed that much. You know, there's football teams and there's stadiums that hold 100,000 people. But really, when you look at who funds the curriculum and how that unrolls, it's incredibly traumatizing. Now, this is a polarizing conversation, which I love because it's my truth. What is your truth about how you were educated Versus how most of the people. I don't know the percentages of homeschool versus university. But you were homeschooled, which is amazing. And that's absolutely what my children will be is homeschooled. Juxtapose your experience of being homeschooled with what you see in the past 40 years and present day in the traditional educational system.

Yeah, that's a great, great topic. So, you know, having worked with thousands of families in the martial arts schools, I would hear frequently, on an almost daily basis, parents would come to me and would say, what you're teaching should be in every school. Life, skills, communication, Chin up, chest out. Hello sir. Hello ma'.

Am.

And this very, just empowered. We have four year old kids that will look in the eye and shake your hand and say, how are you doing, Josh? Like, and before they were like sucking their thumb and holding onto their mom's leg. And now they'll come up to you and that's all learnable. You know, it's in, it's our default actually. Anyway, parents would come to me and they would say the school system is broken. And I would agree with that for a couple of years until I started to understand a little bit more about cycles in history. Understand the, the precursor, the genesis and then the rise and then the fall of, of nations and of, of empires. And you need, if you're, if you're an empire, you need a. Just intelligent enough to produce, but not so intelligent to take you over. So you've got to keep. There's a pretty, pretty narrow bandwidth of, of cognitive ability, emotional intelligence and physical resilience that you have to keep people in.

This is where bread and circuses came 100.

Yeah.

In ancient Rome. We'll link that in the show notes. Tons of material on that. Keep them just educated enough so they won't overthrow you.

Right.

And entertain them and give them some bread, right. Just enough like a parasite, not sucking just enough blood.

It's not exactly what it is. So when I began to see that this is what was happening. You know, like the school system as we understand it today was put into place right after the Civil War because the Civil War happened and the, the, you know, the, the United States, which was at that time became a corporation, is saying, we can't afford for this to happen again. We cannot afford for this amount of division. So we have to centralize the propaganda, we have to centralize the education. And so that was the beginning of institutionalized schooling. Prior to that, it was like Little House on the Prairie. You Know, it's like all the kids, ages all together, it's very healthy. After that, the army would, would move through towns and villages and cities and say, your kids are coming with us and we're going to put them in school. The very last village to hold out was Barnstable, Massachusetts. The army came in at gunpoint, removed kids, American kids from their house and took them to state sponsored school year.

Was that, what time was that?

1890, 95. That's wild. Yeah. So anyway, the educational system is not broken. It is doing exactly what it was designed to do with ruthless efficiency. It's not broken at all. The falsehood is for a parent who thinks that the job of the educational system is to educate their child, it's not. It takes roughly a hundred hours for a child to develop all of the reading, writing, arithmetic, basic history. Even that is completely subjective. You know, according to like William Wallace.

You know, how many books have been burned.

Right, right, exactly. History is told history in Braveheart, History is written by those who hanged heroes.

Oh, such a great movie. Yeah, that's in my top five of all time. I just got chills.

No, it's, it's a, it's a. Well, and, and right now a tutorial. Right now it's a how to. So parents have a, A, a very common illusion and in some cases a fantasy that the job of the school system is to educate. It's absolutely not what the job is to do. The job is to divide. The job is to dumb down. The job of the educational system is to confuse and overwhelm because topics are presented that have no apparent connection to each other. And so what the child learns very quickly is that learning is complicated. I'm dumb. Let me learn from the teacher. So it's a mechanism of control. Even Robert Kiyosaki was onto something when he talked about preparing the schools, preparing for industrial factory workers. That is a euphemism, that is an absolutely optimistic way of looking at it. It is actually designed to keep people stupid. The default of a human being is genius. But genius has become so rare that it's celebrated. But the actual natural state of a human being is a genius until it gets tampered with, until it gets bastardized, confused, diluted, fractured. And then people make it out and they go, I didn't turn out so bad. I'm like, can you play a musical instrument? No.

Yeah.

Can you fight? No. Can you throw a ball? Can you run? Can you, can you carry somebody your body weight half a mile? Can. Do you know how to cook? Food. Do you know how to hunt? Do you know how to write a poem? Do you know how to write a movie? Okay, then you didn't turn out all right.

When's the last time you laid on your back in a field looking at the stars? I bet you somebody right now is like, it's been 20 years watching us, right? It's been 20 years since I've had the presence to do that. Emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally, financially. Like, am I full? Are my cups full or not? I mean, the financial might be full and overflowing, but the rest of the things that allow you and I to connect and make us human, those might be starving. Those might be just dry like the Sahara desert.

Exactly, exactly. And so the school system is not broken. It is performing with magnificent efficiency. And so for a parent who recognizes this, then they're left with, okay, well, what do I do? You know, because maybe it's homeschooling, maybe it's not. Maybe it's pod learning. Maybe it's a couple of families all just pulling their resources, hiring a teacher and saying, we want all of our kids to learn together. Here's what we want the curriculum to be. We want them to have 15% of their time structured. The rest of the time is up to them. And you just kind of keep them safe and watch their tendencies and put resources in their way to let them discover it, and if they don't go for it, take the resource away.

How important is. I've heard Jordan Peterson talk about this. I think I've heard you talk about it as well. How important is safe danger allowing critical. Allowing kids to be in dangerous situations, but like with elbow pads and a helmet.

Yes.

A lot of these helicopter parenting that, you know, they come from a great place. I mean, I've seen people in my immediate family and my exterior family helicopter around their children and not let them play on things, and the kids end up getting hurt anyways. Kids will hurt themselves and myself as a parent, too. So how much of that safe danger is important?

Yeah, this is such an important topic because every healthy, rational adult is only limited in their life by two things, creativity and courage. That's it. Those are the bookends of human experience. And so if your creativity and your courage shrink, then your whole life experience becomes less. If your creativity increases and your courage increases, then the entire scope of what you're able to experience in life increases. So encourage cliche as it sounds, courage is not the absence of fear. It is action in the face of fear. And so for a child who never experiences a truly dangerous moment, they never become fully human. They grow up to become the human equivalent of a domesticated houseplant that requires care and feeding and watering. And you become dependent on others, not in an interdependent way. And so the school system and this helicopter culture. Be safe, be safe, be safe. Take a shower and hand sanitizer.

Yeah. The worst is emails from people. Be safe. I always respond, be safe from what?

Right, exactly. Yeah.

I say be safe. No, I'll be free.

Yeah, yeah, safety third. That's where it's at. So danger is critical. And I believe that the role of a parent is to continually live in a way where you're confronting your own fears because little lion cub is going to be watching that. And then if you are continually doing things that are exciting and engaging and fun, your child's going to find their own edge. And you're over here and you're like, come on. And they're like, I can. You're like, okay. And you just keep going. Watch them jump, watch them take the leap. And then they get the reward of actually having courage. So it is essential for kids to have dangerous experiences. Richard Branson tells a great story about being four or five years old. His mom was driving, he's in the backseat, she stops the car and she says, richard, do you know where we are? And he looks around, he's like, I think so. She's like, do you think you can get home? And he's like, yes. She's like, good, get out like a mile from home. So little Richard Branson gets out. Mom takes off. Two hours later, he makes his way into his house. I love that.

That's powerful. You know, it reminds me, it's fresh on my heart from the quest. Two guys that have 40 plus years experience leading men and women deep in the wilderness, fasting through really emotional thresholds. And a lot of men don't have these rites of passage. It's an art form that Ben Greenfield sends his kids to. T Aubrey Marcus introduced me to Tim Corcoran. I really trust Tim and Mark as guides in, in the wilderness. I think they're at the top of the food chain. We'll link Purpose Mountain and some of my experiences there. But the reason I'm sharing that is because there was some 18 year old, 19 year old kids in there. You could tell they had never been dropped off a mile from home. And they were, they were their souls. Jesse were yearning for the rite of passage.

Yes.

There's something inside of us that's Just like please give me a rite of passage, please give me something to create meaning and strength and courage to develop this in my life. We have lost touch with the ancient way of being where they would send 13 year old boys out overnight with no food.

Correct.

And you would have to come back feeding yourself, clothing yourself, taking care of yourself. How do we, how do you see that being in modern day society? How do we take that ancient wisdom?

Yeah.

How do we, how do we do this? I mean maybe this segues into freedom farms and whatever you feel more about education and the road ahead with what's to come, which I believe could probably be a lot darker than most people think that's coming. So how do you see that coming to fruition?

Yeah, well, nature's perfect. I mean there are no lies in nature and on a long enough timeline everything makes sense. And so when, let's take an indigenous culture that intentionally put these rights and rituals and routines in place because they knew what life required and so they front loaded those protocols and those structured experiences for their youth to then have this thing to be prepared for real life. But even if we don't do that, nature knows what she's doing. Nature is like, oh, oh cool. Y' all aren't doing that here. And so that's what we're experiencing right now. We're experiencing the end of all the old stories and the beginning of something that's never been written before. So to make this tactical and, and you know, you're hearing this and watching this, this is the beginning of April 2022 and you can hear this through the lens of fear, you can hear this through the lens of curiosity, you can hear it through lens of disbelief, you can hear it through a lens of inspiration to be inspired to do something. We are in an absolute black swan perfect storm that humanity has never experienced before. And I'm specifically talking about food. The fifth largest producer of grain just invaded the fourth largest producer of grain, which means there is going to be no harvest exported if there's even a harvest at all. Point number one. Point number two, Russia is responsible for a significant portion of the ingredients in fertilizer that is used all around the world. Russia is not exporting now. They're, there's sanctions so they're not, couldn't export if they wanted to, but they're, they're taking care of themselves right now. And what that has created is another domino where the price of these ingredients for fertilizer, nitrogen, potassium, potash, etc. There's one particular ingredient I don't Remember, if it's potash or, or nitrogen has gone from $200 to a thousand dollars for this, this batch of and I don't know what the batch is. It might be a ton, I'm not in the, and I don't recall, but it's very easy to find 200 to 1,000. Now, what does that mean? And how does this get back to a rite of passage? We'll get there. So if a farmer is used to spending, let's say $200 to get enough fertilizer to cover X number of acres, and now that same fertilizer cost $1,000, that means the farmer is going to produce 20% of the food that they produced last year. Then you have fuel costs being added onto that. And as recent as a week and a half ago, you have the United States government, Canadian government. Both Biden and Trudeau go on camera and tell the entire country food shortages are coming. So this is not like it's a secret conspiracy thing. The supposed leaders of these countries are looking at the camera and saying food shortages are coming. Now, Trudeau has an incredible plan for how to handle it. His plan is we're going to get through this together like we always do. We're going to be here for each other. That's the plan. Cool.

That really worked out with the truckers.

Oh, fantastically. Yeah.

Great job, Trudeau.

And then, and then Biden, the administration was questioned in a, in a, in an interview is, is food shortage something you're worried about? And the aide who is answering the question said, yes, it's a top focus is. And what are we going to do about it? We're working on it. We'll get back to you. Okay, cool. So we have a looming food shortage that is, I'm open from, for anybody who's ever watching this to, to help me to understand how it won' happen, but I don't see that that's possible. So this is what is currently happening. It is a slow moving disaster that cannot be reversed at least for a couple of years. And so what that's then creating is lots of opportunities for people who do not want to accept responsibility for their own food sovereignty, for people who do not want to even think about this and instead wait to see what happens. There is a historically 100% chance that they will end up in food lines. And so food, what food there is, will be rationed and you will get the food if you've got the secret thing in your arm and, and that's a great thing. If You're a controller, a so called leader, and you would like people to do what you say. Well, food is how you control the population. So for people to hear this and go, oh shoot, so like how soon is this going to happen? Well, I think we're from the time of this recording and I don't know when this is going to be published, so I hate to be month. Okay. Yeah. So by the time you're listening to this, I think we'll have a couple of weeks before it begins to enter more of the collective consciousness and people start to go, oh, oh, I should take this seriously. Which is when people will begin buying en masse. And at that moment you're going to start to see some unrest.

How long have you been studying this? When did this first awaken inside of.

You, this awareness, this exact scenario and this possibility? The first time I sort of war gamed it in my own mind was 1999. I read a book called the Sovereign Individual which totally changed.

Robert Breedlove just told me about this. I just started reading it, check it.

It's amazing.

It's incredible.

Yeah, it's very, very dense.

Predicted a lot of things that have occurred.

Yeah.

99.

Yeah. So I saw that coming. Not exactly the way this played out, but in 2020 when, when the, the COVID theater started.

I call it Covet theater as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, theater. Phenomenal. It's like, welcome to the show.

It's like so good.

Excellent.

You know who's missing though? The cast of characters. Fauci. He's nowhere to be found.

Oh yeah, that's right. Anyways, probably ascended to sainthood or something.

Yeah.

So when in 2020, when this like in February, I just like, my spider sense started tingling. I'm like, okay, what's going on? And so I just started buying food. Just every time I was at the store, I would just get a little extra.

What kind of food are you buying?

I'll give a full, like some, some tactical tips for everybody. But the long story short, back to rites of passage, if, if somebody hears this and they're like, okay, cool, I'm going to become more food sovereign. I am going to see how much more of our family's food we can source from people we know, from local farmers, local butchers, et cetera. And I'm going to create a. Of a value exchange so that I become more important to these people. And if it plays out the way that I have envisioned it in the more sober moments of my planning, we're going to see Armed Guards at the grocery stores. You may see this is already happening in some grocery stores. But you know how you go to buy a. Like if you got. Buy an Xbox at Best Buy and it's got the security wire around it that's going to be around meat, you're going to have security devices around steaks because the price of beef is going to go through the roof. Meat's going to go through the roof. And that is also part of a beautiful design. Like if you want people to lower their testosterone levels and decrease their cognitive function, then you deprive them of animal fats. And so phenomenal. If you want to.

Spoken from an ex vegan, right?

I was vegetarian for 13 years and loved it, absolutely loved it. And one morning I, or one night I had dreamed that I had a cheeseburger and I was like, let me try it. So I did it. My body was like, yay, welcome back. So, and, and I've got like one of my best clients is an absolute beast of a human. You look at this dude and be like, this is a gorilla. And he's plant 100 plant based. Has been for years. So the bio individuality that we each have, there is no right or wrong way to eat. It's only what's right for the individual. But in mass and throughout history, culture, every single culture on the planet has had animal fats as a staple in their diet. Until industrial farming and fiat food and everything came around. So back to rite of passage. If somebody's watching this and they're like, you know what? I'm going to be more responsible for, for myself because I don't want to be part of a food riot. I don't want to be part of a food line. So I'm going to take care of myself. That choice and the behaviors that come from that choice are a rite of passage. And so these cycles are always happening. Whether we choose to participate with them consciously or not is totally up to us. There is a. I was just reading a great book, Natural Born Heroes by Christopher McDougall. McDougal I think is his name. And there's a story in there about a volcano that exploded in the, in the Caribbean. I think, man, I could be butchering this. Bottom line is 29,000 people died and a population of 30,000 people. Very few people had the presence of mind to notice what was going on because there was an election that was happening and the elected officials that morning were saying, oh, everything's fine. Our seismologists and our geologist said, everything's fine. Remember to vote. So everybody's distracted by this thing. Whether they knew it was going to happen or not is irrelevant. But they were definitely thinking about themselves. And the only people that survived were people that were willing to think different, do what everybody else wasn't. And they're literally the only ones that got off the island.

And Sovereign Individual talked about this too in Rome, where the morning that Rome fell, you had officials. I remember, I was just listening to this in the car yesterday. The officials in Rome were saying, oh no, everything's fine. Rome hasn't been sacked. Rome is fine. Rome is still all powerful.

Yes.

But nobody noticed because shit had been so fucked up for so long that people just assumed, I guess they're telling the truth. But Rome had already fallen.

Right.

So this is the same paradigm that you're speaking about.

Well, and the American empire is over. People don't understand this. The, the era of American dominance and influence is, is gone. And whether the Republic and I, and I'm, I realize this is getting into a lot of different areas. I think we, we are at the end of the, the era of the nation state. This idea, this experiment of centralized power structures that have a monopoly on violence, that have a monopoly on their language, that have very recognizable corporate logos, red, white and blue. In this case, that is only, you're only able to do that if you have centralized violence controlling physical wealth. And one of the, one of the points in Sovereign Individual is that as physical wealth began to change to non physical wealth data. And because of the miracle of encryption, the same computational power that it takes to encode something requires many thousands of times the same computational power to untangle, which basically means you can make wealth disappear and place it beyond the reach of the parasites. The parasites know this. And so they thought, well, let's throw a big old pandemic so we can get everybody into this digital corral. So we have digital IDs, we have social credit scores, we have CBDC, central bank digital currencies so that we control this Fedcoin programmable currency. And as long as your Social Credit score is acceptable, you can buy what you want. As long as it's what we tell you. You may go to Whole Foods three years from now. If this is the system you're playing in. If you don't, if you don't take the rights of passage to become, if.

You don't heed the call.

Right, right, right. And I have no judgment about it like this. Every human being gets to make their own choice. I just see the divergence that's happening. So somebody maybe six, seven years from now, maybe less, will go to Whole Foods and they'll go to swipe their card and a little blinking happy face will come up and say, you've already bought a steak this month. So here's your other choices. Would you like a cricket steak? Would you like a worm steak made with mealworms? Would you like an impossible burger? These are your choices. But you already bought a steak this month and you've exceeded your carbon credits, which is absolute horseshit.

But that's if you participate in the structured system.

Right? Right. Which overwhelmingly most people will and already are. So the further. The further further the gap, the tougher it's going to be to make the jump. And so I think right now is a critical time. Right.

It's exciting. It's not just doom and gloom. Like, for sure, in my heart chakra, I feel heaviness. And I also feel excitement. Ever since I was a little kid.

Yeah.

I was just like, what is this existential tension I feel all the time? Why are you adults going to jobs you hate? Why are you bickering with each other? What is this magic? You know, like Neo pulling the cable out of his head and the gooey pod. I'm like, there is something wrong here. And I knew it at the earliest of ages.

So I actually.

And I was talking to my brother James about this. I welcome this war. I do. I welcome it. I don't welcome violence. It's not something that I condone. Like, but, God, like, when you protect a child, like, if somebody attacked my child, I would defend my child to the death.

There's a out of love.

There's a loving defense. Love isn't always being on a mountain with hands together, head bowed. Love sometimes means that you take matters into your hands, that you are properly trained in firearms, that you're knowing physically how to move your body away from threat. Like, it's important. It's important for us to talk about this.

And, and if somebody makes the choice, for whatever their reason is, that they're going to enter your home, for example, and they're going to. They're going to harm your child or your partner or they're going to take your food or whatever. If they, if whatever life circumstances and whatever their interpretation of their events. Because everybody's doing this.

Yeah.

Has led them to the point where that's the option they now see. They understand that they are taking a risk. And so I can only speak for myself in this. If somebody were to enter my home, I Don't have a home right now. But when I have a home, or let's say the form, somebody enters the form and they're, and they're intent on harming me or harming somebody that I'm somebody that's under my, you know, protection, then a non violent response is, is natural. Because, you know, jfk, I think, said that whoever holds you must play fairly when you hold the winning hand. And so, so it's just like music, it's like music to hear that. So if somebody is coming in with the intent to harm and damage, then they're, they're really setting the, the tone. So if I can take a non violent approach, then of course I want to do that. Yeah, because you can't reverse violence. Like it's a, it's a one way thing. And that being said, if somebody is communicating in the language of violence, it is a, it is a language, then I, I, I would prefer to be fluent. I would prefer to have a communication in that language. And if somebody has decided that they're going to enter my home and do harm to somebody that I love, somebody I care about, or me, then I am completely at peace with fulfilling my role in the creation of a consequence which is very natural based on their choices. And so if somebody's choosing to jump off a cliff and end their life, there's nothing in nature that's going to stop. I mean, there's weird freak occurrences. You know, some dude jumped off a cliff in Hawaii to kill himself. The wind came in from the ocean, blew him right back up to the top. So there's those moments. Yes, but if somebody's intent is to, is to kill and damage, then they can't be surprised when that also happens to them. But I'm not looking for that. And I don't, I don't and neither are you. I mean, it's, it's being aware that that's a possibility, but like, it's not.

It'S a, it's a valid point because I'm not one of these people that's like putting my guns on Instagram and you know, you know, touting how, how skilled I am. I mean, I'm still learning how to use firearms appropriately, but, but I know there's an intuitiveness that's, that's been activated actually long before we moved to Texas. We moved to Texas in early 20, 20, 21 and way before this. Talk about food shortage and have you on the podcast, like, I've been feeling this swell building for quite some time and I don't think we've actually seen the white water yet. From COVID and lockdowns and mask wearing and bullshit. I think it's actually still building. So this is like a call to loving arms, right? It's a call to loving arms to. And I want to hear a little bit more about food before we, before we round out. Get your food right. Get your firearms right. Get your physical, mental, emotional, spiritual practices right. Get your community right.

Most important right there.

And just make sure all those categories are right. And by right, I just mean that you are an interconnected part that adds and receives value. And then from there, nature will support you.

Yes.

Nature will love you.

Yes.

Mark, one of my guides on the quest said, the earth will never lie to you, but the earth knows when you lie to it.

That's beautiful.

And my whole body lights up when I share that with you because I'm like, everything I just said about those areas that need love and support and really fortification. We know this without being in crisis. We know that all those things are important without being in crisis. So can you go just a little bit more into the education about the food and freedom farms? How far is it outside Austin? What are you doing with the csa?

Sure.

How can people model that in their towns as well?

And, and that's, that's the most important part. I'm far from an expert in it. I'm learning all the time. And, and I want to link it to something you mentioned a couple of times about, you know, this, this, like, war that we're in and this call to arms. And I, I just released a video about this a couple of days ago, how to deal with bullies and tyrants. And the, the, the language that controllers speak is the language of fear. And so they are expecting opposition, they're expecting pushback, they're expecting protests, they're expecting all of that. What they're terrified of is being ignored. What they're terrified of is not being needed and relevant. And so when you're growing your own food and you could say, yeah, you're doing your food line, your cricket burgers, cool, I'm going to do my stuff over here. And they're like, you have to use the universal basic income, and we're going to use fedcoin. You're like, nah, I'm good. I'll be over here on Zion. I'll be over here with my completely parallel economy. Black markets matter. I'll be over here with all my friends and the people that I trust. But your kids can't go to school if you don't do this good. You know, it's like one by one, you're like, no thanks, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. But that's a rite of passage in itself. So when I acquired this property in the summer of 2020, it was just such a strong feeling, like I just have to do this. I've never had property before. I've been nomadic a lot of my life and love the freedom of that. But it was so clear. I also know and knew then and I know now that I am not the guy who is supposed to be in the ground doing the thing I do sometimes and I enjoy it and I love it, but I also know that there's a different game that I'm supposed to be playing. So as we just have continued to attract just an amazing team. So we have Orion. Orion Black is the team leader and he is responsible for everything. So he and I connect on a. On a conceptual level, philosophical level. Like, we're. We have a wonderful and developing relationship and his genius is taking the vision that I'm seeing and, and asking for his feedback on and then translating that to the team. So then we have Darren is a produce manager and we have Ann, who's the orchard manager or the animal manager. And then we will have an orchard manager. And then they've got people under them. So this whole thing is just very entrepreneurially coming to life. And then the CSA community supported agriculture is a group of people that have already said, hey, we're in. And this is how much we want and this is how, you know, we just tell them this is what we're going to be producing and they go, check, check, check, check, check, check. They pay a very fair price for the quality of the food. In Bitcoin, it's either bitcoin or metal.

Amazing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're moving away from fiat. That shit's dying.

Awesome.

Yeah. So on a practical level, somebody watching this is like, okay, get to the food shortage piece. Like, what do I do? Well, get three months of food. Like, it's very, very simple. A very loose rule of thumb, but it's good for. For doing some of the bigger math. A million calories per year per adult.

That's practical.

It's very simple. And then just divide it down by how many days you want to be prepared for. I did a program a couple of months ago called Global Prep Club and it was like last. I don't even want to say when it was. Might have been October, November, and we talked about this million calories per person per year. And then you have your existing food that is, it's got an expiration date that goes out a couple of years that could be freeze dried. There's a lot of great companies, although the nutritional value of that is questionable. But calories first, this is like insurance.

So are we talking about grains here, like rice?

Yeah. So there's a few different categories. You have freeze dried, which you can do your own if you want to get a freeze dryer and cool home project to do, or go to a company like Mountain House or Auguston Farms. And I don't have any affiliation with them, but I have a lot of their stuff. And you can get scrambled eggs and you can get shredded beef and you can get chicken and onions and powdered butter and all this kind of stuff. It supposedly retains 90 something percent of its nutritional value even though it's an electrically dead food, but it will handle your calories. The second thing is you can do bulk, so bulk rice flour, corn, oats, seed wheat for sprouting, and just get these 50 pound bags and get them on Amazon and just those will stack for a long time. Then you have canned. And canned is, you know, it's canned is canned. But as an augmentation to whatever fresh produce you're going to be growing, whatever fresh meat you're going to be procuring, it's a wonderful addition. And what it does is it pushes out what we call your food horizon. So you just look at what is the date at which your current stores will run out if you are only using your current stores. So if you're using 100% of your, if 100% of your daily calories are coming from your supply, what we call your food library. If you build a food library and then you have a food horizon, that will just tell you 2750 calories per day per adult. And it's just a math.

Are you also plugging in refrigerated and frozen foods into the food horizon?

You can. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah.

Or are you, are you assuming, I don't know, maybe you can expand on this. Are you assuming that if there is the food shortage and this is pontification, that would also interrupt the grid?

Good question. Really good question. In our community and the people that I've coached on this, there's different levels of preparedness. So I recommend, and I personally started with the absolute worst case scenario, which is total grid down, no power, right? So you have no power, no refrigeration, and you need to eat. So having canned, bulk, freeze dried and preserved, you know, pickled, preserved, etc. Build your food library with that as your foundation because it will last a long time and then you can augment it. So the next level up is to have frozen. So you just get a deep freezer, a couple hundred bucks, stack it with meat, fill it with meat, all the other stuff is going to be easier to get. Meat is going to be the hardest thing to get. If, if things go this way and I don't see how they won't, I'm very happy to be proven wrong. So fill a deep freezer with meat. So no power needed power for that. Have a generator that is running on solar. There's tons of great one out there. Find a generator. Also get a dual purpose generator that runs on fuel and propane. Propane will store indefinitely. Fuel can store for a couple of years with fuel stabilizer put in and then you just rotate it out.

So do you have a. I've heard jackery is really good for the.

I don't personally have one, but I know people that have gotten it.

Got it. And this can be. I'm feeling the audience right now. Like this can be a troubling conversation to have. So like it's okay if you feel uncomfortable, right?

It's natural. It's natural. It's a sign that you're going through a rite of passage if you even want to.

Yes.

And I, I recognize, I mean if I would have been listening to myself, let's say three years ago in 2019 and thinking that now I'm going to be like this recognized voice in resilience and preparedness, I would be like, bro, I don't want to attract that in my reality.

That's so true. That's so honest.

Yeah. But now here I am and I'm like, well, I can not want it all I want, but I'm put on earth to be a leader. That is the reason I was born. And the only way I can lead is through example. Which means I'm only as good as my last leading edge experience. I'm only as good as the last time I tested my courage or expanded my creativity. So then sharing the invitation for somebody to say, I'm sure a lot of people listening to this have been to Burning Man. So when you go to Burning man, part of what makes it such a kick ass experience is the first principle, radical responsibility. Like you are responsible for yourself. And it's the desert and you can die out there. So don't die Bring food, bring water, bring shelter and the environment that's created because everybody out there is self reliant, opens up so much freedom and so much creativity and so much connection because there's zero entitlement. You know that not a single person is going to come to you and say, hey man, can you please give me. No, I want to give because I want to give, not because you need it. That's a very imbalanced way of living. Nothing in nature does that except for humans. So you can think about this as an invitation. It's like just because in our lifetime most of us haven't experienced the need to be self reliant doesn't mean that it's not an amazing life upgrade. It's like martial arts. You train martial arts initially maybe so you can defend yourself, but once you get your competence up to a certain level, like, I can't imagine walking into a room and being afraid that there's somebody in there that can physically hurt me. Once that box is checked and you're like, wow, I don't fear anybody, then you just keep training because it's fun. You train because you learn about yourself. You train because it's a better quality of life. Same thing with resilience and being prepared.

With all the things up for all of us. Is there anything that keeps you up at night?

Yeah, a couple of things. One I still don't fully understand. Every once or twice a year I will have so much energy going through my body and I don't know what it is like, it's.

All the astrologers are shouting out things.

Yeah, I'm sure. Fourth house with this. I'm sure, sure. And I'm, I'm open to that. But at the same time, it's like it, it, what it feels like is, is getting upgrades is all I can explain. Like I'm just laying there and my body is just like this restless, crazy energy. My thoughts are swirling a mile a minute. It's very prophetic. I, I see things.

And this is a man who, in, in earlier in life, you had anxiety.

Oh, yeah.

That was something that you moved through.

That you've worked through.

So you know the difference now?

Yeah, from the body, man. This is not anxiety.

It's not anxiety, no.

It's just, it's getting dosed with some extraterrestrial level of just something. And on the backside of it is always profound equanimity, calm and clarity. So I just accept it when it happens. I don't know what causes it. Maybe one day I'LL figure it out. So that's one thing that keeps me up. It's pretty, pretty weird. No, other than. But actually one more. I will sometimes, if I feel that I'm drifting a little too close to mainstream comfort levels, like, oh, I'll watch a movie. Oh, that's cool. And then, oh, let me just read a book and that's cool. And, oh, let me mess around social media. Okay, that's cool. And it's like 10 o' clock at night, I'm laying in bed and I'll realize that, wow, like this is the beginning of the end. You know, this is like how you kind of get seduced into being basically not fully embodied human. So I will sometimes get up and just go for a walk. I'll go for a hike, I'll go for a 2 o' clock in the morning motorcycle ride. And these are also the features of not currently being in a relationship. So there's that. But sometimes I will inoculate myself on purpose against fear and stress. So I will go deep into the rabbit hole. And the research on, let's say the Holodomor, which is a famine that occurred In Ukraine in 1932 and 33, Stalin starved 10 million, maybe, maybe many more Ukrainians to death. Just cut off their supply chain and they just starved. It was awful. There were signs everywhere in the villages reminding people that it is not legal to eat your neighbor.

That'll keep you up at night.

Yeah. And the pictures and the stories and everything. And I will do that to inoculate myself, not to harden myself, but to go fully through it so that I can both, from a tactical perspective, be more sober. Because fear is just a sobering agent. That's what fear does. It just electrifies you. It narrows your focus. What you do with it is up to you. But that's fear's job, is to make you present. So I'll use that, that fear to double check my. My plans and my supplies and my relationships and my community and my team. The same way that, you know, if you see storm clouds on the horizon, you just go and like, okay, shutters are good. Shutters are good. Maybe it doesn't storm, but if it does, I'll be glad I did this. But then the other thing that I'll do is just meditate on this time in history and these souls that are all participating in their unique way. And I really see this from many dimensions, that even the ones who seem to play these opposing roles, these paid scientists and doctors, they're still playing Their part, well, they're doing fantastic. And I just imagine all of us in like the spiritual green room before we were born. And we're like, love and light. Love and light. What's up? What's up? What's up? I'm going to be love and light. I'm going to go down there and I just imagine some politician or some dictator saying, all right, you're going to be love and light. Well, I'll tell you what, I'll help you because you can only be light if there's dark. There's only Luke Skywalker if you got Darth Vader. So I'll be Darth Vader this time. And I'm going to go and I'm going to be doing what I think is the right thing by controlling you. And then that way you can experience freedom. Cool. And we're like, all right, high five. Behind the curtain. And then we're born.

Sounds like a DMT trip.

It's can be. Mine are a little different than that.

On one side, there's like this cynical pessimism. It's like, well, the world's fucked. Nothing we do could ever. And I understand that because maybe that's them playing out their role. But on the other side, Jesse like, and I quote, Alan Watts all the time. Because I love him so much and I love his teachings. I don't know him as a person. When I say I love him, I mean I love the way that he articulates value and worthiness in the world, how he did. And he said that nature abhors a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. So anytime, sodium, potassium, high, low pressure, chaos, order. Anytime we're in a vacuum, nature's gonna do everything she can to collapse the vacuum. So, dude, we're in a pretty fucking intense vacuum right now.

And it's wonderful.

So I feel it. You've done probably one of the best jobs I've ever heard somebody describing what's really going on. And we've had Leslie Manukian on here and Robert Breedlove recently. Like, this has been awesome. But, you know, on the other side of the vacuum, there's love.

Yeah, there's love.

There's neighbors caring for one another. There's us meeting on the farm. There's so many beautiful things that come from this vacuum that we couldn't have unless Fauci and his cronies put us through this two year theater. Can you expand on that?

Yes, you said it perfectly. That these roles seem to oppose, but really it's still just Information. And this is how we as individuations of consciousness back up a little bit. If consciousness is omnipotent, immortal, timeless, endless, beginningless, just everything that ever is, will be, etc. That's consciousness. Maybe people call it God, they call it source, they call it infinite intelligence, the isness, whatever. If that's it and there's nothing, it's not, where do you go from there? There's only one thing left to do and that's to create amnesia. So then you create this place, maybe a bunch of them, and then you put part of yourself in there. Like if next to your chair there, if you had a bucket of ice water and you put your hand, you're like whoa. That's a different experience. But it's you having that experience. And then there's maybe warm water here and you're like whoa, now you're getting all this contrast. And you as a being are experiencing through your different limbs all this contrast. And your experience expands. And then maybe somebody's giving you a shoulder massage, you're like wow. And then somebody's like feeding you chocolate, you're like, wow. And there's all. You're just having this intense expansion because of all this contrast. Well, if God is everything and there's nothing that God's not, then the only way you can grow is to create an environment where part of you can go into and forget that you're God. So then that's the soul and we're part of God. And we're born and we remember for a little while and then after a couple months we forget and we absorb and we assimilate into our family, our society or the vibration of this planet. But you can never totally forget because as long as your heart is beating and you have life spark in your body, you're never not connected. And the larger part of you is non physical. Most of you doesn't have a body. And so being here in this physical experience, we're here to observe and create. And we create by feeling our emotions. Our emotions are a constant beacon of not only attracting but also giving feedback. And so our emotions, when we feel good and we feel well being and we feel just like happy, then we're in alignment with the universal frequency, the one song of the universe. Universe, one song. We're in harmony with that. When we don't feel good because of our perception or because of other people's influence that pulls our perception and we don't feel good. It's just a sign that we've gotten Away from who we really are. And so everything that happens is either a positive experience or it's a negative experience. And it has nothing to do with the experience, has nothing to do with the stimulus, the information, what you see, what you hear. There's nothing that's inherently good or bad. That's a human moral construction. So if we say, I like that, then we call it good, or we say, I don't like that, and we call it bad. The only reason anything bad exists is so that we can decide what is good. And so if I'm experiencing the perception of restriction, and I go, oh, I don't like that. Well, I can keep giving it my attention, which makes it expand, or I can go, okay, cool. I don't like that. And this must be pretty important, otherwise I wouldn't be feeling such a strong emotion around it. So since I don't like that, what do I want? Ah, I want to feel more confident. I want to feel more free. I want to feel more myself. And I actually want it more now than I've ever wanted it, thanks to this stimulus. This is the antigen. Here's the antibody. And I wouldn't develop these antibodies without the antigen. So thank you for the sand and the oyster that creates the pearl. It would never be there if not for that. So I have a absolute, massive appreciation for anyone or anything that creates contrast in my experience. Because when, like, all the mask stuff started and I began to wonder about taxes, I was like. And I began to feel fear, and I began to feel concern and overwhelm and all this kind of stuff. And I began to feel infringed upon. And so I'm like, okay, cool. So this is obviously important. Otherwise I wouldn't be feeling all this emotion. So what do I want? Well, I want to feel like myself. I want to feel free. And that led me down all this study of the law and all these other things. And if not for that motivation, I wouldn't have studied, like, 450 hours of the law. But because I did, and because I obsessed over it, all of a sudden it was like, oh, I get it to the point where I got a. A letter from the IRS last summer, actually, from a lawyer that I give some money to. He said, you got an examination officer from the IRS and they want to audit you. I was like, cool, send over what they've got, Because I know the truth. I know who I am, and I know that I do not ever break a contract that I'm a part of. I also know that I do not participate in contracts that I'm not a part of stuff.

Are you talking about taxes?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I pay taxes. 100.

Yes.

Like I. I paid taxes today, put a tank of gas in my motorcycle. And I know that there's. I don't remember exact percentage, but there's a significant percentage of the money that I paid today.

Yes. That goes to tax when you buy anything.

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. So I do pay taxes.

I love that. I gotta pause you right there before you go into common law so we can round this out. Because, Jesse, you have so much to give, man. And it's interesting, people know you as this high level, really visionary business coach that's helped Garrett way. That's so cool. I didn't know you helped Garrett and I know you've worked with so many people, but it's about frequency.

Yes.

And I know you've said before whether you're talking about all is God, that we all are made in the image of God. We come here to forget and then remember and experience life as a part of God, which. Which I 100% agree with. We did a three hour series, actually almost a five hour series with Paul Check called All is God. So I'm familiar with this concept of no thing and everything at the same time. It's not spiritual pontification either. Like, it's something that I've had journeys. It's something that I feel that's the truth when you share it. So I'm really grateful that you shared that. But, you know, the big question for all of us is to exit the matrix, we first have to know all the tentacles and the common law and growing your own food and the community aspect and all these different pieces. It can be overwhelming for people, I feel like for the majority of us, and I felt it too. You even said when it first came on, you were like, okay, I'm feeling this emotion because it's so intense. It's offering me the gift to discover why I'm feeling this emotion. Someone right now is with us and they're like, possibly I'm going to speak to them and can you please speak to them? They're feeling that sense of overwhelm which might turn into sadness or grief. What do they do from that place? Because tactically, I know what you're going to share. Well, I don't know what you're going to share. I know you'll share about common law and things like that, but from an emotional standpoint, from a frequency standpoint, because you say you leash your frequency how do people first be at peace, recognize, assimilate, and then where do they go from there, emotionally?

Yeah, they're very connected, actually. So if somebody experiences fear or unrest in themselves when hearing about some of the things that we've talked about or that we're going to talk about, my invitation and my request for somebody would be to just put your hand on your solar plexus or your heart and just go, I'm here. I'm here. I'm good. Like I am. I am an individual having a human experience, and I'm safe. I mean, if you look around you, if you got the presence of mind to watch this and listen to this, you're probably not being chased by a tiger, you know, and if you are, massive props, you know, like, thank you.

That's multitasking.

Facebook, live it if you can.

Watching.

Great.

Watching wellness wisdom by being chased by a tiger, man. Come on.

Right, but the chances are you're not immediately under any sort of physical threat. What that leaves is imagination and memory. And so when you become truly present, you're always safe. The present moment is always safe, and you become very aware of the thoughts that are outside of the truth of safety. And then you can say, is that useful? Is it useful for me to think that I'm not safe? Because the reality is you are. So start there. And then when it comes to breaking free of the matrix, it is very, very simple. If somebody knocked on your door today and you open the door and you don't know who this person is, but they're dressed in, like, a jacket and a tie, and maybe they have a little pin, and they look very presentable and very kind of formal. And they say, hi, Josh. You don't know me, but I have a map of the neighborhood here, and there's actually a circle that I drew around your house. And what I decided is that anybody who lives inside that circle has to give me, like, 10% of your income. Now, what would be your response to this person you've never met, you don't know, who arbitrarily produces a map with a circle on it and says, you're inside my circle?

I first would ask, who are you and where you're from? And then I would say, get the fuck off.

Right, right.

My doorstep.

Right. Because innately, you know that all human beings are created equal, and no human being has more rights than another human being. Yes. Another way of saying that is that person one has zero more rights than individual number two. So they leave, and they're all upset because you didn't do what they told you to do because they have no authority to tell you anything. They didn't create you, therefore they can't control you. Next day they come back and they've got a friend who's also dressed very presentably, and they match and, like, look great.

This reminds me of the Sopranos. The Mafia.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they're very similar, actually. So they present the same map and they say, look, we both agree that this circle, you got to do what we tell you. Well, you're doing the math in your head and you're thinking, okay, well, guy number one has zero more rights than me. Guy number two has zero more rights than me. Zero plus zero, still zero. Fuck off. So they leave and there's nothing they can do because you don't have an agreement with these people. You never agreed to anything. They showed up in your experience and presumed to have created this fictional circle which only exists, only is valid in their mind. And they're just asking you to agree. And you're like, no, no, thanks. That peacefully. And that's simply because you know that no. You might play the game and say, well, what's in it for me? How do I benefit? They might threaten you. They might say, if you don't, then we're going to kill you. Now you have a new choice to make. Okay, do I fight back? What do I do? But you still know that it's wrong. It's a basic understanding. Now, what if 100 of them get together and they call themselves legislature and they all agree among themselves that we have this fictitious circle and we're going to call it Joshland? And then they come to you and say, look, you live inside of Joshland. You need to do what we say. Well, 100 times zero is still zero. And so this is where the individual gets to kind of be tested a little bit, because most people have little to no ability to stand up for what they believe in when there are more people who disagree with them. And so most people would not. Would they do. Most people do go along with the majority because at the end of the day, what we want is connection and we want to be safe. So it takes a phenomenally strong individual in the sea of a thousand people who are all going one way to stay where they're at or to go the other direction, especially if those people get very loud and then they sound very official and then they're making all these noises and all this kind of stuff. But there's an innate knowing that we all have that we are part of the natural world. Taxation does not exist in nature. It is impossible, it's ludicrous to think about. Imagine a Canadian goose flying from Vancouver to Seattle and all the trees are like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Stop, stop. It's stupid to think about. Everything in nature operates in perfect harmony. If it doesn't, it doesn't last forever very long. But if you took that same goose in your car and you tried to drive across the border, you're going to be surrounded by border patrol guys with guns. They're like, what are you doing with the goose? So at some point we, I think.

We all understand that on a story level.

Right? Right. Well, and at some point people forgot or allowed themselves to be, to be convinced that they're not part of nature. And since you're not part of nature, you have to abide by these circles and rules and all this kind of stuff. And then I hear this all the time, people are like, well, are you talking about anarchy? Like, well, do you know the definition of anarchy? First of all, because in your mind, most people's mind, it means chaos, really, it just means self organization. So long story shorter, because I abide by every contract that I'm a part of, if I make an agreement with somebody, then I'm going to follow through. And if something slips through the cracks or I forget and then it comes back to my attention, I'm like, oh, that's right. All right, here we go. And I expect the same with people that work with me. That being said, I don't ever use contracts with my clients. Like, I've never used a contract with a client. Anyway, I began to question this thing of, you know, why am I, why am I compelled to give my income to these people that I don't know? So I decided to test it and see what happens. So one year I just didn't play the game. And then next year came out, I didn't play the game. The next year came out, I didn't play the game. And this wasn't out of bravado or curiosity. It was mostly laziness and overwhelm. Like, I was just so overwhelmed with the thought of doing that that I was like, I put it off. And next thing you know, the fear went away. And I'm like, well, there's next year. Okay, let's see what happens. Meantime, I'm waiting for a knock on the door. And so for like seven years. Yeah, 2014-21, I was like, I don't know, I don't know. But then I really started studying the law. I really started educating myself and realized there is no law.

When you say the law, what do you mean by that?

Specifically, that there is no law saying you have to pay income tax for personal income tax. There's. There isn't. If. And if anybody listen, if the IRS or you're listening to this, please show me where it says, and I'll be happy to abide by any contract that I'm a part of. But I had a lawyer that I gave some money to. I'm like, you know, if any letters come in or whatever, handle it. So he calls me last summer. He's like, Mr. Elder, we got a letter from the examination officer in the irs, and they want to audit at you. I'm like, great. This is new experience. Never had this before. Send me what they have. So I got a Word document that was. I mean, it looked like it was like your son would probably do a better job. Like, there was just several different font sizes and margins were all over the place. And it's a work of art. And I was asking all these questions, but. Because I know what I am. I know who I am, and I'm not confused about what I am. I am not a corporation. I am a human being. I'm a natural living man, and I'm a part of nature. And since nobody created me, nobody has authority over me unless I grant them situational authority to guide me in a particular area of endeavor that I wish to become better in. In that case, I will grant them my authority the moment we start the class and that authority ends the moment the class is over.

Is that what a birth certificate is?

That's a totally different thing. The birth certificate is, like the whole strawman thing and capitalized name and all of that, but I went down that road. It's a thing, but it doesn't matter, because if you know who you are, then you know that no one has authority over you. Now, if you've harmed somebody or damaged someone's property, then, yes, you make it whole. That's what decent human beings do. But I. So I get this from this letter, and. And I started filling it out for the novelty of it, and it's like, what's your title? So I'm like, I'm the guy that gets shit done. Then what is your. Oh, how many hours a week do you work? Like, only the ones I want to. What?

This is on an IRS form?

Yeah. Well, supposedly, I don't know who this person is.

Yeah, okay.

I Mean, they are a stranger to me. I've never met them. I don't know this person is. But I'm filling it out because. Because it's like a novel experience. I don't know if there's any contract anywhere that I signed that says that I have to do this according to what I've agreed to. And I'm open, always open to being shown that there is. In which case, if there is, I will gladly do. I will fulfill the terms of any contract that I am legally and lawfully a part of. But I don't have any such awareness of understanding of such an agreement. So I'm just filling it out for the experience, chance of doing something new. How much money did you make this year? More than last year. And then I got bored. I got tired of answering it because I. I have questions now. So I. I sent it back, kind of mostly incomplete to the attorney, and I said, I'm. I will happily continue to answer this, but I require clarification. I need to understand the identity and the intent of the individual who is presuming to have jurisdiction over me and my business. So here are six questions that I want you to ask them. Once I've got the answers from this individual to these questions, I will then have the information that I need to make a choice about how I'm going to proceed. So I send the email. He mails me right back. He's like, Mr. Elder, I can't represent you if you're going to challenge the tax code. So I mailed him back. I said, brother, I'm not challenging anything. I'm simply requesting clarity about the identity and intent of this individual who is presuming to have jurisdiction over me and my business. They have to prove jurisdiction in order to have authority over me. Now, if I had harmed a living being, if I had damaged property, then anybody can come to me. If I saw some dude trying to punch or choke out someone else, I can go up to them and I can physically stop them. And I can say it's a second degree felony in the state of Texas to obstruct someone's airflow. I'm going to put you under citizen's arrest. And I will testify in a court of law that I, with my own eyes, saw you lay hands on this person. I will. And I will hold you until the law enforcement gets here. I'll take you there myself. This is all lawful, but absent an injured party, there's no actual crime. There's corporate law which invites you to play in their Contract. I'm just not accepting the invitation.

This is a rabbit hole that I don't know if we're going to be able to complete because it's so deep.

It is and it's not.

Tell me that. Tell me the part where it's not.

Here's where it's not. Are you an honest person?

Yes.

Do you keep your word?

Yes.

Okay. If you don't keep your word, do you ever. Do you make it right?

Yeah.

Right. Do you agree that it's healthy and natural that if everybody in the world were to operate according, to do no harm and take no shit, that this would be a better place?

It'd be beautiful.

Yeah. So. And is there anybody that has more rights than you?

Of course not, no.

So if anybody tells you to do something just because they said so, then the question is not why. The question is, who are you? Who are you? And in order to ask that question, you have to know who you are. And that's why this is so simple. Because once somebody understands, remembers who and what they are, which is a child of God, a divine creation, an outcropping, an individuation of immortal consciousness, then it's like, what's your name, buddy? Because I'm a child of God and so are you. So we're just playing this beautiful game together. Even if they come down to the point where they're like, there's a warrant. I'm like, great, let me see the warrant. All right, I see here that there's no magistrate signature or there's no clerk signature, which means that there's no injured party, which means that this is an invitation, an offer of contract for me to come with you and do these things. But there's no clerk's signature. And this is where it is not so much a deeper rabbit hole, but just very basic understanding of the actual law then is to say to this agent, to this officer who's operating as a. A enforcer of the homeowners association known as the city of Austin or County of Travis or whatever, these are homeowners associations, corporations for profit. And he's doing his job, which I respect the hell out of. Like, imagine. Imagine the dedication you have to have to put Kevlar on to go to work. Holy shit, man. And it's like most cops I've met are badass. They're so awesome. My first black belt that I promoted was sapd, and I've many, many friends cops over the years, and they're public servants. And I'm a member of the Public. So my job is to make sure that the servant is doing their job properly. So if I know the law and I say there's no clerk signature on this, which means there's no injured party, there's no verified claim before the common law court of record, which means, brother, what you're doing is you're violating U.S. title 18, Section 241 and 242. You are committing a war crime against a civilian population because this is not following due process and you're coming in here with lethal force and you're coercing and threatening and trying to do this. I'm not threatened by you. I appreciate you doing your job. I just don't want you to get in trouble for this. For this. Because you're violating US Title 18, Section 241. 242. And that is a 15 year felony, brother. So what you need to do right now is get the D A on the phone right now and I want your supervisor here immediately.

Have you had to do this or are you planning to potentially do this if necessary?

I'm never planning to do any of it.

Okay.

Just like I'm not planning to choke somebody out tonight.

Yeah.

You know? Yeah. And if I find myself in the situation where that's what I do, then that's what I'll do.

Got it. So you're proactively prepared. You're a peaceful man who's proactively prepared.

Well, the thing is that I just want what's best for everybody. And I don't want this police officer to get in trouble because they don't know the law.

Jesse, I've told you this a few times when we've hung out. And I gotta say, if you yourself aren't called to take people through an educational program about common law, who is, you know, if not. I'm not pressuring you to do it, but I'm just inquiring, like, where do we go? I mean, we could do a quick Google search. We could do a duckduckgo.

I'll tell you two names to look up real quick.

I mean, let's add it to the notes. So people really want to dig into common laws?

Yeah, if you want to dive into that. I've learned a lot from listening to these guys. Alphonse Faggiolo. A L P H O N S E Faggio F A G G I O L O. Amazing, dude. Super sharp. And has applied this stuff and developed a whole process so you can go and learn from Alphonse. Very Cool. His website is a clunky website. Im has sentmetoyou.com wow. And he's not a super spiritual guy.

Yeah.

But he was inspired. And that's. Anyway, but Alphonse Faggiello. And look up Crow Triple 7. Radio Crow is on there. He runs a great show and he's where I found out about Alphonse and has just phenomenal understandings of the law. And he has amazing guests on. The thing is, there are so many people doing this stuff. It is awesome.

Yeah. I'm excited to see how this plays out. I really am. I. I know that taxation is theft.

Yes.

You know, you're echoing, you're echoing a lot of what the conversation around bitcoin was when we had Robert on the show. And. And I really. It's not that I'm like welcoming the conflict, but I would be.

It doesn't need to be a conflict.

I would be proud to be able to be educated enough to enforce my.

They're just. Just doesn't need to be any, any conflict.

That sounds incredible. I mean, I'm going through a potential paradigm shift right now just sitting with you. I think a lot of us are. We're. Somebody's probably like, Jesse, are you going to get arrested like movie stars? You know, like, like that.

Here's.

Here's the thing that's kind of the narrative. Who?

Who? Wesley Snipes. Willie Nelson? All these guys. Yeah.

He went to jail for taxes.

Well, I don't know if he did or not because I wasn't there.

Yes.

But that's the narrative.

Yes. Yeah.

And that's what every. That's what Aubrey said when I was talking about this. He was like, you're gonna be Wesley Snipes.

Interesting.

That's what everybody thinks of because that's the programming.

Yeah.

And so better to just go along with it. A great, great, great piece of education. If people want to watch this, go on YouTube and look up Spirit of 43. And it's a six minute video that was released in 1942. 43 in the movie theaters, which was like the Facebook of the time. You know, you go to the movie theater and that's where you're getting news and all this kind of stuff. So the United States government. This is so awesome. The United States government hired the greatest propagandist of all time to create a six minute video. Walt Disney. So the video comes on as Donald Duck. Donald Duck. And it opens with this scene of a factory whistle and it's going payday. And these dollar Signs are coming out of it. And this very friendly, authoritative narrator comes on and he's like, every week, millions of Americans receive their paycheck. And I won't spoil it, but it's worth a six minute watch. Because in six minutes, you watch Donald Duck go from getting paid to having his kind of playboy, spendthrift uncle pull him towards. Go to the bar and spend money. It's your money. And his wise, spendthrift Scottish uncle pulling him over towards, oh, yes, sonny, you couldn't do that. But you got to think about the boys on the fighting front. And next thing you know, they're bringing in Hitler and they're bringing in Hirohito and they're bringing all these war images and they're saying, we need your taxes. Taxes to fight the Axis. Income tax is voluntary. It's always been voluntary. And when the government came out with that movie, I don't want to quote the exact numbers because I don't know them offhand, but it was a minuscule amount of Americans that were voluntarily paying income tax, like 15% after that film came out, it skyrocketed, 80, 90% because people wanted to. And that's the only reason why they do. Why they, why they pay taxes. Income tax, not corporate. If you're a corporation, you're agreeing to play the corporate game. But the only reason an income, a person, a human being, would pay their money is if they choose to. And so that movie was created to get people to want to do it, and they did. And then their kids grew up seeing their parents do it, and it was just never said otherwise.

This is wild. And this is probably why now I feel the excitement about the nation state dissolving.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's really what this is. As we say goodbye, Jesse, this has been amazing, man. I don't even know how long we've been going, but. I know, I know. It's been a minute. I have one final thing to read, and it was about this concept of non resistant flow, which it really inspired me. And you said that time behaves very differently when you're operating in a vacuum of judgment. When you're completely free of the past and free of the future. You are filling this time and space with who and what you actually are. You're being fully, really powerful yourself. It's beyond cathartic and a restoration of your childlike qualities of being timeless. Share with us that wisdom as we say goodbye.

Did I write that?

You did. Well, actually, you spoke it.

Okay. That's why I don't remember. Yeah. Okay. Where's that from?

The conversation you had with. With our good friend Cal?

Oh, with Cal. Cool.

Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. See, well, and that's actually kind of an example. I don't remember that at all. I. I live it and I experience it all the time, but I don't remember saying that. And so linking back to our first. One of the first things we talked about today, I think even before the recording started, about outcomes versus byproducts.

Yes.

When you are. I don't even know if it's possible to be fully present, but when you are more present, you. You are less influenced by memory and imagination. And so what a lot of people do is they have memories that are constantly calling the shots and then they have imagination, fearful, hopeful, that's calling the shots. And there's very little bandwidth for what's here, for what's actually going on. And so as I began to test being more present, letting go of the past, letting go of the future, and expanding my awareness to the present moment, I began to realize that there's a data layer that's available that borders on precognition. And so I continually tested this over and over and over. I went on tour and went to like 20 something cities and did a different gig in a different city with no preparation whatsoever. And just right before I go on stage, just close my eyes, take a deep breath and then just walk out there and would just riff for 90 minutes and know exactly what I was going to say right before I was going to say it, but not know what I'm going to say two minutes from now. And so it expanded the present and I began to see that the quality of the information that was coming through, it's not like channeling. I'm just like that.

I love that. You haven't said I'm getting a cosmic download.

No. God, just go rub my lingam with a crystal. I love it.

Thank you for not saying that.

Yeah. And people that do. Great. Yeah, that's awesome. Or you could just take responsibility for it. Like your, your expression is as good as. I love what you said earlier about leading edge experiences and, and get out there and do it, then assimilate. And now you've got a. A wisdom bank to pull from. I did a 24 hour Facebook Live once. Same thing, like no planning. I'm going to just go live for sleep. No, no, no, no. But it's that same sort of timeless in the moment experience. So when, when we're present, you're outside of time. Time is an emotion, it stretches and it's malleable and you can make as much of it as you want. And so being in a union, in a communion like this, it could be six in the morning outside, it could be Tuesday, it could be five minutes. Because those are external indicators, external descriptions of what we've been in. The reality is we've been outside of time while we've been in this thing.

Yeah. This is the flow, or as you had said, the non resistant flow.

Yeah.

And I think it can be so fleeting and maybe it's part of the theater too. And in the middle of all this, there's well being, there's us living well.

Yeah.

What does that even mean to you? You know, as we.

Yeah.

As we say the Italian goodbye. I feel like we've been saying goodbye for 20 minutes here.

It's works for me.

It's been joyous, man. At the middle of all this, there's. There's us living well or there's us living unwell. There's ease in my system or there's dis. Ease that my body is manifesting and trying to get my attention. How do you make sense of that? What does it mean for you now with everything you've been through, man?

Yeah.

All the lessons and journeys and wisdom.

Yeah.

How do you define wellness? How do you live your life in well being?

Sure. And this relates directly to time. Again, one of the spells that we're under is that we've got a finite amount of it and you know, we, we look at, oh, you're gonna, you know, your average person gonna live to be 80 or whatever. And we just accept that. And so, you know, you're gonna be 42. Yeah. So that if you accepted the common, you know, thinking of like average guy. I don't even care about averages. But let's say, let's say somebody Sundays average is 80, 82 years old, then you would be now operating in a limited capacity thinking, well, I just passed the half halfway mark and I've only got 40 years left in the last 40. Oh God, now you can really get yourself into a tizzy. So I observed that in a lot of other people since I was a kid. And I was like, well, fuck it, I'm never going to get old then. Like, I'm just not going to get old at all. And then that choice to not get old led me to all sorts of other resources and conversations to back up that choice. So, you know, having a conversation with Aubrey De Grey in New York a couple of years ago, this you know, longevity expert and all these other things. And I just thought, okay, well, then why don't I just choose when I want to crap out? Like, why don't I just choose when I want to kick it? Or at least why don't I just choose whether or not I want to renew, you know, my lease here?

Yeah.

So I just thought, well, let me pick a day. 150. That sounds good to me. Me. So I decided years ago that I'm going to live to be 150 years old. And then once I made that choice, then everything started to reflect that I began to understand things about my body. I was absolutely gifted with injuries so that I could understand what the body actually is and what it's not. It's not a dumb machine that's prone to entropy. It is a collection of energetic frequencies that are always affecting the cells that are being birthed into it. So those cells are like tuning forks, and they start vibrating at the level of whatever the dominant resonant emotional frequency is. So if my emotional frequency is one of wellness, then disease literally can't exist in my body. And my body, being such a smart thing, will let me know, just like you said. It will let me know, and it will give me a headache or a backache or something else. And if I listen, I'm like, oh, what do you need? Okay, got it. Cool. Now chill out. And then my body's like, okay. And I just tell it what to do. So all of that to say. I personally don't operate in time scarcity because I'll be 49 earth years this year. And I'm just getting started, man. Like, just getting started. That being said, if I'm on my motorcycle tomorrow and I get distracted looking at a hawk, and some armadillo takes me out, you know, and I come out of the wreck and I look back and my body's, like, smeared across the highway. I'm like, like, oh, wow, that's a lot. Okay. And I just don't have a body anymore. Great. Makes no difference to me. I'm not attached to this. If my body is not part of my vehicle anymore and I'm just moving to whatever is next, great. Like, it doesn't matter to me.

You'd miss potentially some experiences.

No.

You wouldn't miss.

No. Because you're always missing things. Like right now, we've had this experience.

Yeah.

We've missed every other thing in our life. We've missed every other possible thing. We've missed swimming in the ocean. You've missed Play with your son. Both of us together have missed literally everything else that we could have been doing. But. So you're just always missing things.

I think there's a part of me that, you know, I used to. I truly did used to fear death. Before breathwork, psychedelics, and vision quest, I feared death.

Yeah. Very, very. It's a very, very common fear.

But I don't fear death. It's more.

There is no death.

The fact. The fact that. That my physical body isn't here and that one day I won't get to hold my son or hug my partner or just love my people. Like, there is a part of my soul that would truly miss that. At least at my current level.

There's a part of your belief system that believes you would miss it.

Touche.

Which means it's true.

Yeah. Which means it's true. So. But. But the fear isn't there and that's relieving because actually I use, you know, is it useful? Is it truthful or is it useful? I use my. The ache that I feel that one day I won't hold my son. I use that to love him as hard as I fucking can.

Yep, up. Exactly.

So it's useful.

And there's that. There's that pushing off.

So my story is useful.

Yes. Well, there's the contrast. It's like, oh, here's this thing I don't want, which makes me want this even more. And then you just go and grab him and love on him and cry and laugh and he's just like, being himself.

Jesse, we're in the quantum, man. It's been a joy. Tell people where they can learn more and get the vitamins. The mind vitamins.

The mind vitamins.

Or tell them wherever you want to start with you.

Yeah, yeah.

Where do they go to learn more with?

Yeah, I'm pretty active on Instagram, Essyelderlive, Facebook, Jesse Elder. And then I've got a website which candidly, at this moment is being overhauled, but it's Jessielder.com so they can check that out. That's probably the best places.

It's been a joy, man.

Likewise.

Josh, what a wonderful conversation.

You're a great, great collaborator, dude. This is fucking great.

Thanks. Yeah, this was like a tennis match that got recorded. A fun one.

Yeah.

You guys, we're talking about Jesse's work a lot. All this week, actually. Wellnessforce.com community also, just look wherever you're watching this or listening, we have a full show, notes, all the resources Jesse mentioned about common law and food and what's coming, it's all there for you. So until Jesse and I see you again, we're both wishing you love and wellness. We'll talk to you soon.

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