From Mercury's Mad Hatter's Disease to a Message of Hope, with Dr. Dan Pompa @DrDanielPompa

Foreign. Welcome to the five Journeys Feel Freaking amazing podcast. I've got ED today. So we have a celebrity sighting and we have another celebrity sighting because we have Dr. Dan Pompa here. He is an author, speaker, media personality with degrees from the University of Pittsburgh and Life University. He's considered an icon in the alternative health and wellness industry and has spent most of more than 20 years educating practitioners and the general public on the root causes of inflammation driven diseases. We'll get into it. His mess became his message. He's the founder of Pompa Program health centers.com cellular solutions and the author of Cellular Healing Diet and Beyond Fasting. Welcome Dan, we're super psyched to have you here.

Yeah, I love this conversation. Two people who really love, love detox, getting to the real cause of why people don't feel well, that's why we're here. Right?

Exactly. So tell me, you kind of alluded before we hit record that you got your life back. So what does that mean? What happened for you?

Yeah, this was back in 1999. So while exactly the Internet was like, you know, there wasn't like what it was out there today. Right. You know, just some research articles on PubMed or you know, all the sexy stuff wasn't around. But needless to say it was still enough to, for me to finds things. You know, by the way, when I was searching to get my life back, people will laugh, I'll date myself but literally I, I was digging micro fish. Do you know what that is? Yeah, that's when you actually had to go to a library and like look for studies and things on this, this archaic thing called micro. Yeah, exactly. It's like so yeah, I mean some of my research was there but yeah, you wouldn't have to do that today. But yeah, 1999, I mean it started like, you know, I mean like so many fatigue. Then I was like running a very busy practice at that time and training on my bike, very, you know, busy. Two young boys at that time, five kids now will get there. But yeah, I mean life as I know just came to like a screeching halt. But starting with fatigue, then it went to like just like weird anxiety. Never had that before. Then it went to these weird headaches that I never had a headache like that. Right. Lasting and I thought I was over training. My adrenals were fried so I would, I backed off my training that I was doing on the bike. I can't say I cut back my hours but you know, that wasn't it. Right. So. But I Cut back the training. I didn't get better, actually. I was getting worse. And then it was like these weird gut issues that started. Never had that before. Then it was insomnia, panic attacks, sound sensitivity, irritability. I literally became someone I wasn't. My wife and I were going, like, what is going on? Like most people, you're searching and searching. I went to. I read books back then, like I said, there wasn't as much Internet, but anyone that I thought knew something, I read their book, and I would go see them fly across the country. We remortgaged our home. I mean, I. I, like, you know, literally tanked our income trying to figure this thing out.

You've been married at that point? Just out of curiosity.

Young kids. So we were. I would say. I would say not many years. Maybe four years at that point. And, you know, life was good, you know, Actually, no, we were married. Let's see. How old was Daniel? I would say we were probably married about six years at that point. So going through the. The dates in my mind, my wife's better at that. But, yeah, I mean, it's. You can imagine what that does to your life. Um, you know, I became a bit unfunctional. You know, I. I hid it for most people because I was the guy who was healthy. I was the guy who was supposed to be the healthy one, took care of people. I hid it from my family, started not showing up at family events. Right. Was very, you know, uncommon for me and making excuses, you know, and I. They could tell something wasn't right. They just didn't know what wasn't right. But, you know, everything I teach today has come out of that pain.

What was that moment, Dan, when you were like, searching and searching and searching, and then you found something that you're like, I'm on the right track. Do you remember what that was?

A few times. You know, I mean, I. I literally. You kind of feel like you're on the right track a lot sometimes, right? And then that what helped you then didn't last, right? So I, you know, I knew my adrenals were fried, but of course, at one point, I thought that was the answer, right? And it's like, hey, start supporting my adrenals. I think that was it. I think I was. Yeah, not so simple. Thyroid. My hair was thinning. I had these thyroid symptoms. Dressing my thyroid, not so simple. Blood work was normal, even though I did have all the thyroid symptoms. But thyroid conditions are subclinical for 10, 20 years, you know, so. Yeah, but Again, I was addressing the thyroid, the adrenals, my hormones, all the stuff that most people I would say would do, thinking I was on the right track. Many times, you know, and then I thought I was online and I found Mad Hatter's disease. Now. Know what that is?

We have it in our book, actually. Yes.

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Most people probably don't even know what it is, but people making felt hats. I'll simplify. Use mercury as part of the process. They were known as mad Hatters. And I had every symptom. I did. And so I went and got a blood test that I found. The head of toxicology, Allegheny General Research. I. This guy was known, you know, in Pittsburgh. And I ran $5,000 worth of blood work that day, and my insurance didn't cover any of it.

So painful.

So my deductible was too high, blah, blah, blah. But anyway, I was ho. I didn't care. Right. Again, we remortgaged our home, and I just wanted to find something. Honestly, if he came back and said, you have cancer, I'd be like, great. Because at least now I know. Because you have to understand, it was years not knowing. I. I needed something to fight. I needed something. I needed an answer. Because at this point, I was saying to my wife, too, you know, maybe I am just crazy. You know, maybe this is just my outcome, Right? And of course, she was the rock and said, you know, you're not crazy.

But anyways, you might be crazy, but you genuinely have a problem.

I was crazy. Exactly.

You might be.

I was absolute, absolutely certifiable. Matter of fact, there's a part of the story where, you know, I was like, you know, my wife thought maybe we would have to put you on, you know, a psychotropic drug of sorts. Because I didn't. But it was debatable. Yeah. I mean, because she was wondering what she would do with me. But I didn't. But anyways, that day, I ran a mercury test, too. Came back negative. Matter of fact, that doctor came in. I still remember. I remember that scene like it was tomorrow, yesterday. And. And he looked right and said, son, you're healthier than me. That's what he said. He looked at my blood work. You're healthier than me. I mean, like, I just wanted to find something. And of course, the mercury was in normal range a year or so later.

Can we pause there? Can we please pause there for the listeners? Because I get this question a lot. People are like, can't you just do a blood test? Why are you doing these specialty tests? My, my insurance will cover a blood test for mercury. And my response is, unless you have an acute exposure to, to a heavy metal, like if you live in Flint, Michigan, your blood test will be positive for lead. But otherwise, within four to six weeks, it's stored away. You're not going to see it in the bloodstream. So for the listeners, it's good if you had something happen, but it's useless if you've been sick like I was and like you were right, it's a useless test.

Absolutely.

Just makes you feel good.

I usually, I have to make that point. You made it. Well, and Flint, Michigan. Yeah, you're right. You know, the sad part is they brought me into Flint, Michigan to teach the doctors, like really what was going on about the lead, you know, and it was so worthless. The politics, long story, I won't get into that. But you know, it was terrible because they did blood tests, of course, to your point, they saw it and then they did, you know, oh, you know, now we don't see it anymore. Everything's okay because their blood's clear. I'm like, no, it's in their brain, it's in their body, it's in their bone. The lead, it went deep, right? Anyway, long story, but the point, Mad Hatters, of course, their blood tests were positive because they were getting a daily exposure using mercury, right? So anyways, he said this. I was working with this bright endocrinologist, read his book, and you know, because I again, I was still chasing the thyroid. I knew my thyroid, my body temperatures were so low, I had all the symptoms. And he said to me, I think you have mercury toxicity, you know, just some of the symptoms. You have the low body temperature. And I said, ah, yeah, I thought so too, but I. The test was negative. What test did you. Blood test. He told me what you told me, you know, wrong test, wrong test, you know, try to challenge it out. But he said something wise too. He said, you know, even on a challenge, it's not perfect because it could be in the brain and deep enough, sometimes it doesn't show, but start there. But I, I got a very bizarre pattern. And it, you know, there was some that showed. And so that led me on a different road. I said, where do you think I got it? He said, did you have any dental work done around the time this all came about? And I said, I may have because I got these two fillings, silver fillings out, which contain 50% mercury. And I had a gold filling put in. I still had about six fillings in my mouth. Anyways, I looked back because I was cycling. I had my symptoms logged when they started. It was days after I had that done that dental work. So I was like, oh, wow. Like, I, I, I remember that not feeling, I just thought it was the anesthetic. I thought it was something. Who knows, right? Here I am, how many years later, putting that together. But, you know, it was a perfect storm. I also was living in a low grade moldy home that I was adapting to. You know, mold's not good for anybody, but, you know, because my bucket was full with the metal, I was the one in the house that, you know, was not dealing with it. And, you know, I learned that because it was like once I started getting the mercury correctly, we're going to get here, folks, of how to do it correctly out of my brain, which that was the problem. And then I still was like, okay, certain symptoms weren't going away haphazardly when we moved out of that home. It was like, oh, my God, another level cleared. Because now even if the mold wasn't what made me sick, it was definitely keeping me from getting well and kept me, you know, because once sensitive to one neurotoxin, you become sensitive to another. Another part of my journey was I had, you know, infections in my jaw that I didn't know I had. My body was dealing with it. But once I got challenged and my bucket was full, overflowing, so to speak, right? I, when I got rid of this infection that I happened upon a whole nother story, it was like, oh, my gosh, it's like that was like another world had opened up. Like all these other bizarre symptoms. My gut that I was like, still not well. Even though I was getting rid of certain things all of a sudden got better. I mean, like, just like that. It was so one of the things I've learned in this. And again, I said it, everything I teach today came out of that I would not know. My years of school, all of it, none, none of it, you learn. I learned it because I dealt with it. I've been through it, right? And there lies my boldness and confidence, you know, but, you know, everything I teach came out of that, right? And when someone's not well, we want it to be one thing, but it's never that way again. I'll say it again. Even if it wasn't the thing that made you sick, now it could be the thing keeping your bucket full, keeping your immune system from regulating, not attacking itself, you know, keeping you in a State of inflammation. You have to then start emptying that bucket down and you have to start getting rid of these things. And typically it's three big ones. Like all toxins aren't the same. You know, I know there's a lot about plastic right now, and I know humans are ingesting at least a credit card size of plastic a week. That's a true figure. All the forever chemicals, all these chemicals. And I educate people on social media about them. But look, it's. It's when you get hit with these big ones, which I call super toxins, that decimates your cellular detox pathways. And that's really where real detox is. That's how I got my life back. That's what I teach for. Taught for 20 years, still teaching it.

So let's talk about that. I mean, actually. But hold on. Do you know the guy and you might know the name Dan. There's some. I think he was a pediatrician and he died. And he said, if you're sitting on attack, all the Motrin in the world is not going to help until you take the tack out. But if you're sitting on 10 tacks and you take one tack out, that's not really going to help. You're still sitting on nine tacks. So you have to actually systematically remove all, all of the pain points. And when you get to, you know, 50 to 60% or more, then you start to tip the tip the balance towards health. Do you know who that was? I can't remember his name.

That's a great analogy, though. Right? But here's the problem. I would argue even with alternative medicine, the shift it's taken, they're not even removing tax anymore. Right. It's, you know, all alternative medicine, it's kind of made this shift maybe even in the last five years. I don't know, it. It seems to just be evolving worse to where all they're doing is, you know, they're running fancy tests and giving people a lot of fancy stuff instead of focusing on the cause. Every seminar I have the privilege of speaking at, I hit that. It's like, let's get back to why. Truly, if you remove the interference, the body will heal. And again, you know, yeah, you know, vitamins and things like that. But it's not deficiencies that really most people are really sick from. It is too much of these absolute devastating toxins that are really causing the epidemics. And again, there's. I talk about, you know, five deficiencies that many people have today. And, and so I'M not throwing that out. Right.

But I was going to challenge you a little bit. Like if you have a methylation issue, if you have a detox genetic issue, that's partly why you build up the toxins. So we do have to deal with it.

Yeah. And by the way, it's one of my five R's of how you fix and detox a cell. R number five is reestablishing methylation.

Right.

Because it is a problem. But let's back up there. I think that's a great point. So what are doctors doing, alternative doctors. They're saying, here, take this better form of B12 folate. Right. Maybe even supporting the methylation chain or you know, in other ways. I do it too. Okay, this is good. However, let me use my wife as an example. We did, my wife started getting hormone symptoms. Okay. Bizarre things. We did a urine, a 24 hour urine hormone test which showed a buildup of a dangerous form of estrogen, estrogen metabolite called 4 hydroxy estrone that leads to breast cancer, which her mother had. So that's pretty scary when you see that. Right? And she had very high levels on the test. It showed her methylation was tanked. Okay. So we spent a year doing everything. I researched methylation, learned a lot. It was good. I did. We spent everything. We could never get that methylation to truly come up or it would come up and seem better and then go down. We then discovered that she had extremely high lead levels like her mother who ended up not dying of the breast cancer. She treated that 10 years later, ended up with uterine cancer, never got to the cause, died of the uterine cancer. So my wife was heading in that same direction, did a lead test. I was just looking at probably general things, trying to help her out. Her lead was literally off the chart at that time. Under 5 was normal, hers was 110. What the heck? Where did she get that? She got it from her mother. The number one source of lead is mom because it's normal to lose bone during pregnancy. But out comes the lead. Most lead is stored in volume in the bone. And by the way, I always, in some of my lectures, I show my kids lead because they were had digestive issues. That happened young, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, their lead levels off the chart just like hers. But the point I want to make is that the lead was crushing her methylation. Methylation is an adapt adaptation to all stress. I mean you need a methyl group to turn on cortisol, anxiety and turn it off. And you need methylation to get rid of toxic hormones, you need methylation to drive detox pathways. It parallels glutathione in the cell. So when you have a lot of physical, chemical, emotional stress, combination methylation gets depleted. So, I mean, yeah. And I mean, I, of course, I utilize all these things because we have to build up these levels. But if we don't get to the cause, and that's where alternative method, alternative medicines, kind of like ignoring. It's like you have to figure out the cause. If you're not asking these patients what their home environment's like and, you know, are they in a mold? And if you don't know what that fingerprint looks like, these people are just going to go on and on and on and. Right. And if you're not asking, you know, if they have silver fillings, you know, how many people go to the best alternative doctors, like, and I won't mention names, and I'm like, do this again. They have silver fillings in their mouth. It's like, do you know those are vaporizing mercury into your brain every day? Every day. Oh, and you know where the mercury goes into the hypothalamus, pituitary. At least studies show that's where most of it goes. You can go to any place in the brain and manifest different symptoms and diagnoses. But, you know, when I was getting. When I was downstream and trying to figure out the adrenals and the thyroid, one of the things I backed into, it's the control tower. It. There's something my pituitary, hypothalamus. Because that's why when I do this for my adrenals, that with my thyroid, and it was like. So I realized it's here. But the problem was I just didn't know what it was. I didn't realize mercury had built up over a year since the time I was a kid. Oh, I wore contact lenses in the 70s, 80s, and guess what? Thimerosal was in solution going right into my brain.

I used to. I didn't know that was mercury, Dan, But I knew back in the 80s and 90s that I was actually reactive to Timerosal. And I would say, I can't get a vaccine if it has timerosal in it because I'm reactive. I didn't know that that was a nice name for mercury at the time. You know, I was like 20 years old. I just knew that when I got these vaccines, I mean, I blew up. And the common denominator was tamarasil. So I knew for a long time. I was reactive. I just didn't know that's what it was. But I want to go back to something you said, because I just want to say this.

That form of mercury in there is called ethy mercury, and they used to call it the safe mercury because they couldn't find it in the blood. You know why they couldn't find the blood? Because it went so quickly into the brain. Yeah.

It's stored. So for, for our listeners, I want to go back to something you talked about because, I mean, I only see women in my practice and a bunch of them want to reproduce. And I'm like, okay, let's get you optimized before pregnancy and get rid of as many toxins as we can. But as soon as you're pregnant and when you're nursing, that's automatically a detox event for you. So we're not going to amp that system up while you're pregnant or nursing, because you're already doing that. You're already giving your baby a legacy that they don't want. So let's not make it any more powerful. So for anyone listening who's thinking of getting pregnant, you want to do as much as you can because a portion of what you have is contributed to the baby, your generosity. Right. Inadvertent generosity. So. And think about it. All of our moms grew up, no matter how old you are, essentially you grew up in lead paint, lead pipes, lead gasoline. And that was phased out in the 60s and 70s. So if you came from someone who came from those times, they had lead.

Yeah, I caught the lead generation. Yeah, I was in the lead generation. Right. But. And then, you know, there's the mercury generation, too, which kind of goes on, of course. Yeah. But, you know, we all had silver fillings. Our parents had silver fillings. The draft study, a German study, was the first study. There's others now that showed, ladies, the number of silver fillings that contain 50% mercury in your mouth on the study was proportional to how much mercury they found in the baby's brain. Now, that was autopsy studies. Very, very accurate way to assess brain mercury. And that's a scary thing. So where did we get our first mercury load in utero from the womb to the tomb. Oh, and then we start putting silver fillings in. Right. Innocently enough. And by the way, my dentist, who is our friend, you know, back then, it's like, you know, that's a pretty deep cavity or crevice in your tooth. We're just going to fill that. Yeah, that's what they do.

The more, the more the better.

And then don't forget the wildfires.

Yeah, good money.

Don't forget about the mining and the wildfire mining of, Mining of the forest which releases the mercury and then the wildfires which releases the mercury. So travels for thousands of miles potentially. And then you get it.

Well, the thing that I really don't get is that there are still tons of dentists that still use the mercury fillings, the amalgams. That, that just blows my mind like.

Ed, because the ADA still says they're safe. They, you. And they've changed their story, their song. How many times before they would say, okay, you know, the mercury's bound and it doesn't release. They couldn't say that anymore. It was just, you know, so easy to disprove that. Then they said it's too little to ma matter. Then they said it stops leeching. Anyway, I, you know, I mean, it was like, you know, what are they going to say next? And they just make these blanket statements and you know.

Well, the challenge is most, if you think about it, most of the upper class people don't get it. And then you have lower class people that are get most of the amalgams and then they pass that on and become such a legacy of a vicious cycle.

Yeah, they estimate four generations of inheritance of that bad lead. Oh, and it turns on genes that inherited three or four generations. Right. So. But yeah, you're right about that because see, insurance companies will pay for silver fillings. Why? They're cheap and they last long, so they'll pay for those, but they won't pay for the white stuff that the rich kids get. Right. The composite or the ceramic. No way they'll pay for that. So there's cheaper insurances will just pay that. So that's why dentists that serve those communities are just, it's an insurance, you know, they don't have the money to upgrade to the white, of course, so they're just getting what their insurance pays for. So I mean, think about that. And who's even talking about that? Who's even talking about that?

Nobody.

We are. Come on.

Right, so I want to talk about. So it's so funny you mentioned that your gut was messy because I have celiac and was not diagnosed for, I don't know, 20 years maybe, probably 20 years. But then once I got diagnosed, I was the canary in the coal mine. So anytime I got a gluten exposure, I mean, like, I could tell you down to like six parts per million.

Right.

We're not, it's way below the FDA recommendations. But what I noticed, and I've been in this journey for five years personally, in terms of metals, was that when I started to treat the mycotoxins issue and the mold issue, my reactions to gluten went from being six to 12 weeks in nature. So every time I got a gluten exposure, I was down for the count. My brain didn't work. I was irritable. My gut was messy. I mean, it was just. It was awful for months sometimes, and then it went from 12 weeks to six weeks, and then it went to two weeks, and then it went to 10 days, and now I'm down to, like, 12 hours. Not that I ever eat gluten on purpose, but if I get exposed, I'm not as messy. And it's just so interesting to me because these. These substances are corrosive to the gut and make it so irritable. So.

Well, you know, that's a point. A couple points there, right? Number one, celiac, folks, is far, far different than just gluten sensitivity, right? Meaning there's a gene that's triggered there, right? And you'll never be able to eat gluten, you know, the rest of your life. Like you said, you've decreased that sensitivity dramatically. I was so gluten sensitive when I was sick. Now I can eat it. You know why? Because most gluten sensitivity is a leaky gut, right? The microbiome was disturbed. Everything, all these proteins were going across undigested. My immune system started building antibodies. And, you know, I. I just did the most sophisticated gluten test, and I had absolutely, like, zero reactivity. It was like. The irony was they were like, gosh, we usually don't see that, you know, and, yeah, that was a blessing because that wasn't the case when I was sick. So it can be absolutely controlled. But here's the main point I want people to hear. You don't. The reason why people are struggling to fix their gut today. And this is kind of back to the comment of, like, where alternative medicine's missing it. We already know regular medicine misses it. So I'm not. Not being critical there, but it's. We are taking a lot of different things for guts. Arguably, a lot of really good things, right? A lot of good bacterias doing a lot of very nice things, but yet people are going, I still have a gut problem. That's because if you think about this, a river analogy, 20 miles up the river, if you have a factory dumping lead or mercury or whatever chemical in the Water, you're down here trying to repopulate the fish, meaning, analogous to our bacteria in our gut, you're down here trying to fix the ecosystem in this beautiful little river going, what is going on 20 miles up the river is the problem. Right? So we're not going upstream far enough. Oftentimes I would never fix my gut if I didn't get the mercury out of my brain, out of my, you know, jaw, you know, obviously the fillings out of my mouth safely. You know, if you're in a moldy home, you're not going to fix your gut. If you have hidden infections, cavitations in your jaw that you didn't know about that are leaching bacteria into your bloodstream and your gut 24, 7, you're never going to fix your gut, you know. So the point is, is that we again reminding practitioners we need to look to these causative factors if we're truly going to impact people today. Because these things that we're talking about decimate cellular detox pathways that detox our cells every day. It gets rid of even the toxins your cells make when it makes energy. But all of these things, they're there for a reason. We'd be dead without them. But when you get hit with these big ones now, these detox pathways are slowing down. They're not working. The cells build up toxins genes. Now, because those genes are in your nucleus, in that cell start getting turned on. And then the diagnosis is. And the unexplainable symptoms. So we are down here trying to, you know, do foot baths. We're down here trying to do saunas. I have nothing against these things, by the way. All these, like herbal detox plants. But we're not fixing this. What's decimated in the cell, all these things are not going to work long term.

So let's talk about that. I figured you were going to say that. I was going to say it. So let's talk about what a girl to do, Dan. Like really.

What is a boy to do?

What's a boy to do? What's a human to do?

What is that and I gonna do? No, but it's trouble her.

Come on.

No, no, it's just a saying, you know, there's no saying.

What's a. I, I, I know the saying. I was just kidding because your audience is girls. But what, what a girl to do is true. But you know, the fact is, is that I suffered pain to purpose to teach this message what to do, you know, in I, I don't want to bore people with too much of the science, right? I, I, I think at some point it's, you know, loses people and gets people bored with the topic. But I, my five Rs of what to do, how to fix a cell and really how to upregulate these detox pathways, the five Rs came about. I was lecturing to a group of doctors in California and I was so excited about all what I discovered, you know, and this was like, you know, when these opportunities start opening up to teach people because I was helping people like you help this person come teach this. And I'm excited about it. But I could tell that I missed it, or at least they missed it, but I missed it, you know, not teaching that well. And it was just, you can tell their eyes, right? And I, I was on the airplane home just like, gosh, man, like what? I know they didn't get it. Why? Anyways, I literally prayed about it and all of a sudden I start getting this idea, that idea. I reach down on my bag on the airplane, pull out my notebook and I start. And it came and the five R's was born. And it was a little haphazard at first, but the fact was is, you know, R number one has to be what we already said. We made the point. If you don't remove the actual sources upstream, you know, forget about everything we do right, Methylation doesn't work right, Everything doesn't work. R number two is regenerating the cell membranes. Cell membranes. I do entire lectures on this. I can just totally geek out about it. This isn't my saying, but the saying is life and death begins on the membranes. Bruce Lipton, who wrote Biology of Belief, he most of that book is about the cell membranes and the fact that innate intelligence, that's the intelligence God puts in our body, that fixes everything, heals us, runs us, you know, we don't have to think about it. That is in those membranes, literally in these integral membrane proteins that are receptors to even our thoughts, receptors to hormones, receptors to nutrients. These are all on the membrane. If you look at this hormone disaster that we're in right now, what are most people, even in alternative medicine again doing? They're taking biological or bioidentical hormones. Hormones, hormones. There's a time and a place. So I'm not truly being that critical there, but it's not the long term answer. Meaning if it were just that simple, we'd all feel well, but it's not because we're not getting to the real hormone problem. These Receptors on our membranes. This membrane gets inflamed by toxins that are building up in the cell and that membrane becomes inflamed. Now the hormones can't even get their message in the cell, even if you force your blood levels to be normal. That's why so many people watching this right now are on thyroid hormone, other hormones going, yeah, I'm taking those hormones. I still have brain fog. I still don't have energy at the end of my day. I still don't sleep well. I still have anxiety. It's because your cells are inflamed. That membrane regenerating that membrane is R2. If we don't regenerate the membrane, your hormones are never going to work. If you don't regenerate the membrane, you're not going to get the good things in the cell and you're not going to get the toxins out. You literally impede cellular detox. Everything shuts down.

So can we pause there for a moment and talk about what are some things that the listeners at home can do about cellular regeneration? That's not fancy. What are some of the things you would say, top three things. Do these three things to help your cells regenerate?

Okay. The two biggest causes of cellular inflammation, not my opinion, absolute fact, toxins. Okay, watch my social media channel and start to eliminate some of these big, big toxins. Right? But to, to my point, a lot of it's unavoidable. Let's get to the second one. To your point, you could start doing, you and your family today, eliminate the rancid bad fats and oils, especially the omega 6. Now I, I, I take a breath there, because in our space, Omega 6 is like a bad guy. I'm going to argue the reason it's such a bad guy is because it's such an important good guy. What do I mean by that? Omega 6 is critical to reestablish, to regenerate these cell membranes. It's more important than Omega 3. They're both important. They're both called parent omega fats. But the Omega 6 is more important. That's why rancid oxidized bad, if you will. Omega 6 is so dangerous because it's so important. So step one, get these rancid Omega 6 in the form of vegetable oil, canola oil, soy oil, I will say most seed oils. Now, seed oils can be good. If you get the right ones, it can be good sources. But if you're buying just regular sources of seed oils, yes, they're bad too. So we get Those out of our life. And unfortunately, you can't go to Whole Foods and be immune, because if you pick up most products. Oh, all the food in Whole Foods that you buy, you know, on the.

Package, let's say in a package.

Yeah. It's. It's loaded with the stuff. They don't care. So don't be fooled. But you have to learn how to read ingredients. It's not that hard with this. Any vegetable, any canola oil. And if it doesn't say organic in front of the seed oil, no doubt it's rancid. Get rid of them. Step one. That's it.

Wait, wait, wait. We got to dive into this, though. When you're saying you can have a packaged food, what oil are you looking for then? Because all of them are made with something, right? Saying no packaged foods.

Well, right. I mean, let's say most packaged foods. If you're in a conventional grocery store, I would be bold enough to make the argument that every packaged food's gonna have a bad oil in it. So. And that's kind of the point you're making if you're in a health food store. Okay, maybe not. Right? You. You have to be more clever. It could then have extra virgin olive oil. It could have avocado oil. It could have coconut oil. You know, it could have real butter. It could have. You know, those aren't going to be rancid fats. Right? So. And there's alternatives today if you go in the chip aisle, you know, the. I always say, when I'm in Whole Foods, I do videos. Like, I'm in the most dangerous owl in a health food store. Right? It's like chips on this side, you.

Know, cookies on the other.

Yeah, exactly. And everything is like, rancid oils. Right? It's like, yeah, that's a dangerous aisle. Um, but the. The point is, is that if you go there, though, you can see, like, potato chips just in avocado oil, Right? And they're even doing ones in, like, different lard oils. People are like, wait a minute. Lard? Yeah, lard stable. Actually, saturated fat and butters. They're stable. Ghee is a good oil. It's stable. Duck fat's amazing, right? It's stable. It's saturated. Why weren't we told that saturated fat causes heart disease? That's a whole other show. Okay, I don't have time for that. Yeah, we can. With three of us, we could just keep taking rabbit holes, right? Because, you know, the. The lies perpetuate, but, you know, the. The bottom line is let's get rid of the bad ones. And then I'm making the argument you need good Omega 6 to replace it. Here's the unfortunate part. Have some dessert every once in a while. Sugar. Sugar constantly is bad, okay. But every once in a while, your body burns it. Here's the problem with these oils. They stay in our cell membranes, driving this inflammation that impedes your hormones and detox pathways, as I just pointed out. Not hours, not days, months. Months of cellular dysfunction. Because these oils accumulate and you and your family are accumulating them. So you eat a little bit, it's just a little bit every once in a while, but it stays for months. So it accumulates and then more, and then more. And all of a sudden, you're cellularly inflamed. Not getting rid of toxins. So now the toxins are building up in the cell. Oh, your energy is going down. Because that's one of the things it does. As the toxins build up, it affects the mitochondria where you make energy. Energy goes down. But here's a problem. As energy in your cells goes down, it affects something called glutathione, the Gibbs free energy equation. So energy down, glutathione down. What is glutathione? That's how your body gets rid of toxins, deals with inflammation. Oh, so now the equation shows inflammation goes up. More inflammation, more. More energy loss. You see where we are, America, So, you know, this is where we are. So we need these good Omega 6s. And I think that we're the good.

Sources of good omega sixes.

And I just got to say that.

Okay, thank you. I want to make sure we didn't miss that.

The thought of like, we better tell. So look, I mean, you can get like really good cold pressed, some seed oils, like hemp seeds, flax seeds, even sesame seed oil, if it's like cold pressed, done, right. You can get. And it's. We've tested them and they're good. You can buy products that are focused on good oils like that, right. That, you know, that have a focus on making these Omega 6 really good. Here's the problem. Many of the products that have fish oil in them are actually the dangerous products. That's a whole nother show. Because I believe most fish oils are very, very bad. And not even because they go rancid in the bottle, but because they go rancid even in our body. And exhaust of our own antioxidants. Cochrane Collaboration, they looked at all of these studies. That's kind of What Cochrane does, right, they look at the studies and they get rid of the, what they think are the bad ones and they keep the good ones. And they came out that holy cow, fish oil doesn't prevent heart disease. Matter of fact, they started linking it to cancer. So I'm not a fan and I, you know, I get into fights with people all the time, but I always throw studies at them and they go, oh, I never saw that. All right, well, good, let's have the conversation. But anyways, the bottom line is we need good Omega 6 and we need good Omega 3, right? But you typically, if you're eating grass fed real food, you're getting a perfect balance of omega 3 and omega 6. Grass fed meat has great omega 6, right? Real nuts and seeds, they have great omega 6. I always say I'm a fan of vegetable oil when it's in vegetables, I'm a fan of fish oil when it's in fish, I'm a fan of seed oils when they're in seeds, right? So if you're eating those foods, it's really, it's not hard, you know, so eat whole foods as much as you can and you'll get the good fats.

I want to make sure we get.

To the 3, 4 and 5 too. So let's go back. So we got 1 and 2. You told us what to do about 2. And then what are 3, 4 and 5 for the Rs?

Well, I kind of let into it R number 3 is you have to restore cellular energy. If we don't fix the energy, I just kind of made that point. Right, But I'm going to actually draw this.

So I'm a terrible artist, especially when I draw female body parts.

I'm like, I'm the worst. This is, this is a cell and the cells are the mitochondria. That's where we make ATP energy. Just think of it as energy and, but as the cell. Well, let's start back where I said. Okay, so the membrane's inflamed, right? That's, that's our number two toxins. And these bad fats are inflaming this membrane. And I already made the point that this is where your hormone receptors are. And when membranes get inflamed, those receptors become blunted. We're familiar with insulin resistance, meaning you have plenty of insulin out here in the blood, but your cells are resistant. Well, this is the cause, right? So we know that. But hormone resistance against thyroid hormone, estrogen, testosterone, we don't talk a lot about that. But this Is an epidemic. Right. It's like when your cells are inflamed, you're impeding those hormones to getting into themselves. Sometimes the hormone itself has to get in the cell or the message. Either way, we impede that process. That's a problem because plenty of people, that's an artery, improve their thyroid hormone in their blood by taking a hormone, typically in the form of T4. But they take the hormone and if it converts to T3, which is the active form that attaches to this receptor, gets in the cell, we feel well, we make good energy, we burn fat all as well. But if that doesn't convert, that's a whole nother story. But the point is, is if we take the hormones, we can improve the blood level. But just because the blood level's normal, if you have cellular inflammation, doesn't matter. My blood levels were normal, if you recall $5,000 worth of blood level, but my thyroid wasn't working. No one showed me that. Right, no one showed me that. And people aren't explaining that. So even in alternative health, as they're giving a lot of bioidentical hormones, if you have this problem, you're not going to get feel well, your blood levels are better. Oh, also I said mercury was in my control tower of my hormones. We're not explaining that to people well either that if that's the case, we don't control our hormones normally. So it doesn't matter if we're taking them. Makes sense. Okay. R3, as these toxins start to build up, which they do once this membrane's inflamed. Now cellular, this membrane in here, this mitochondrial membrane is even more sensitive. It gets inflamed. Now we don't make energy, so energy drops as energy drops. I said that something called glutathione, it's abbreviated gsh. That's how your body is set up to get rid of these toxins. Oh, and that's also protects the cell from being over inflamed. So energy starts to drop and then glutathione drops. Because to make glutathione in the cell. So you, you could do all the IV glutathions you want, but if this pathway in the cell is impeded. Now the problem is, is that you need two molecules of ATP to make glutathione. Glutathione's dropping, glutathione's dropping. And now inflammation is increasing. And if inflammation increases, energy drops more glutathione. You see, it's a perpetual cycle. R3, you have to restore the cell energy. And there's a lot of conversations there. Right. Obviously, this is where diet can play in. This is where fasting can play in. This is. You know, we, through fasting strategies, oftentimes we can get something called mitophagy, meaning your body will get rid of bad mitochondria. We make new ones. It helps decrease the inflammation. But all of these R's work together. If we're not working on the inflammation of the membranes, we're not going to improve energy. If we're not improving energy, we're not going to work on the infl. You see, there's this.

So what's R4? We talked about methylation, right.

Wait, did we talk about what to do for R3, though? I don't think we did.

So what do we do about R3?

What do we do about R3?

That's a great question. I. I did mention a little bit, Right. Like I, I mentioned, you know, a lot of dietary strategies can obviously help here. Right. Mentioned fasting. Right. Where you. Mitophagy. When you fast, something called autophagy happens where your body's so smart, it gets rid of bad cells, right. That don't perform. But mitophagy is where literally the. The body will get rid of the bad mitochondria and you start making more. But you. You can imagine, though, trying to do that without dealing with the toxins is useless. Trying to do that without dealing with what's inflaming these membranes is useless. So you can see how these things. Right. And the five Rs is a road map, meaning you can't just isolate one, they all affect the other. So you can't have this conversation without understanding all of them. Go ahead, Ed.

Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm always. Because everybody has a different opinion. What's your fasting strategies? I guess. What's your thoughts about that? Because.

Does it differ male and female? Because.

Yeah, yeah, you know what? It's. This is a great conversation, right. It's almost another show, which I'm welcome. I would love to come on and do. But. Yeah, so I think it does differ from male and females. Mindy Peltz was a student of mine that, you know, she sat in my front row and was the only one eating at one of my seminars. And she looked around. It's a funny story, because I love her. She looked around and realized she was the only one eating. She was eating healthy food, but she was just eating the whole time. Right. Because when people came to my seminars, we would put like, we give them the experience of fasting, but, you know.

No food for you.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, we made it very experiential. But yeah, I look, I think though that there is a really good point there. Right. So, you know, Mindy has done such a good job of telling you that girls really do has to fast. Different people with thyroid conditions and adrenal conditions have to fast different. Today people are fasting too much. I mean, in our space, I. I would say, you know, but even now, generally people have caught on that intermittent fasting daily works wonderful and they lose weight, but then what do they do? They start doing it more. And they actually start to. Eventually the body thinks it's starving, it starts to lose muscle, gain fat, you know, it starts to work against them. So I find myself at a lot of the seminars telling people the feast is as important as the fast. So one of the things that Mindy, you know, based on my teaching, because this is something I discovered, was the week before a woman's cycle is the best time to feast because your body's making hormones preparing. One of the better times to fast is during the cycle. So she kind of, in a clever way has laid out like this is a better way to do it around women's hormones. So to answer the question, there is different strategies for men than women, but let me just keep it general. The problem with fasting is it's a stress. Now that doesn't make it bad, it sounds bad. But exercise is a stress. And when you adapt to the stress, you become stronger, faster, etc. If you don't adapt to the stress of exercise, you literally become weaker, slower, worse. Cold plunging does amazing things if you adapt to the stress. Cold plunging only works because it's such a stress that the body thinks it's going to die. And then it upregulates norepinephrine, which potentially upregulates growth hormone. And, you know, all these wonderful things happen if you adapt. If you don't adapt to the cold, which happens so many times to people, you actually get worse, not better. Saunas. I mean, I can keep going down the list of things. It's all a premise called hormesis. Means if you stress a system and it adapts, it gets stronger. If you don't adapt, it gets weaker. Simple as that. Okay? Fasting is a stress. If you adapt, it's great. But see, here's what people do. They do the same thing that they're doing with cold plunging. They apply. I heard three Minutes in the cold plunge is, you know the number. Well, I might be able to do three minutes, but you may be not because you have a thyroid condition, because you have whatever, whatever, whatever, and you don't adapt. Three minutes is bad for you. Ten seconds may have been wonderful for you. So everyone's doing the same with fasting. They apply the same fasting strategies as everyone. You know, this many days, this many hours. Everyone has to be looked at as an individual. Fasting has to be known as a stress. Without feasting, fasting becomes a problem because I already said it, too much fasting, your body thinks it's starving and will actually slow metabolism down to save your life. So feast famine cycling is a premise that I teach Ed, where if you're going to fast, you have to feast. So if you're intermittent fasting, some of you may need two days, maybe one day, maybe three days of feasting a week, a day where you don't intermittent fast. You get up and you eat three, four meals that day. Maybe if you're low carb, you eat high carb, healthy carbs that you know on certain days, feast famine. It's not my opinion. It works for weight loss resistance, it works to regulate. I talk about how mitochondrial fitness, how it helps our mitochondria become better through adaptation, through this hormesis principle. And it's one of the ways we regenerate the mitochondria is feast famine cycling. Fasting. Feasting, fasting, feasting.

Okay, very cool. I love that, I love that approach. In terms of. It really is individual. It is, it's. I, I would even add, it's not only do they have a thyroid issue, do they have this, that. The other thing is, do they have, do they, are they working 60 hours a week? Do they have a marital issue? Are they what, what's going on in people's lives? It's not just the biochemistry. It's really everything combined and ed.

And that changes, doesn't it? In other words, let's say you're doing three minute cold plunges and you're adapting. All of a sudden you have this major stress thing in your life, right? The tendency made to do more cold plunges. But now you're super stressed. And now three minutes is another addition, added stress. And all of a sudden you realize you get sick two, three days later. It was because that cold plunge that you were adapting to, you didn't. And now it became a negative and you got low immunity. Happens all the time to people. So to your point, you have to Assess your stressors, you know, whether. Whatever the stressors are, you know, so you don't just assess male, female. You don't just assess, you know, assess where you are. The best way to do any stress assessment to see if you're adapting, whether it be a hot sauna or a cold plunge or a fast. How do you feel later that day? How do you feel the next day? How'd you sleep that night? Because if it's, you know, I actually didn't sleep that great after that. You probably didn't adapt, you know, the next day I was more tired. It seemed like, yeah, you know, you probably didn't adapt, whatever it is. Right. So how are you feeling? Well, you know, you have to assess those things. But here's the problem. We ignore things. We don't assess ourselves very well as humans. Right. So.

So we think that things have to sometimes get worse before they get better. Right. I'll just, I'll just muscle through this. And I mean, when we have people on detox regimens, we'll say to them, you know, the goal isn't to torture you and you may have some reaction. So if it's tolerable, keep going. If it's intolerable, don't push through, back it down, do less, but pay attention to how you feel.

Yeah. See, people like said, I mean, we have to look at. Detox is also a stress, right. If you look at life through this hormesis principle where things are stressors, if you adapt, it's good. If you're not, it's bad, right? Then you go, you live life a little differently. You know, I, I look at everything through those lenses and therefore, like, if I'm more tired, it's like I can feel my body's down. I don't work out that day. I take a day off. I've learned, right. It's like. But anyways, most people don't do that. The other principle that I teach around all of this too is diet variation, where feast, famine, cycling is a diet variation strategy. And, and that could be done weekly, where you throw in these feast days, it could be done monthly, and it can be done also seasonally. Diet variation, where change your diet in our space. You know, this. How much debate is over what diet. You have your vegans, you have your vegetarians, you have your carnivore now you have your ketos, you have your paleos, and they all insist they're right. Oh, and they make good arguments. Oh, and then the people in those camps will tell you, this is the diet. Because when I got on this diet I felt so much better. I'm sure you did. Any variation off of the standard American diet will most likely make you feel better. But here's the problem. If you dig into it, if you stay on a vegan diet, you're going to get sick. Genetics will determine when you'll start to get deficiencies. It'll start to show itself if you stay on a keto diet. Oh, the anti keto people show you that this 4 hydroxynenolone builds up and it's a nasty free radical and over time it drives cancer. There's actually solid research around that. But they ignore the research that temporary keto diets are absolutely incredible for you. As a matter of fact, every healthy culture on the planet was forced in to keto and probably carnivore too at times. But if you stay on any of these diets too long, they become problematic. If you're just eating this high protein diet all the time. I will argue with the vegans on this and say it's going to age you prematurely because of MTOR pathways. But short terms of the high protein can be incredibly beneficial in healing. So the point is vary your diet actually creates more diversity in the microbiome in diversity of microbiome is key. It's a whole another topic.

Nature loves diversity and so do we.

Exactly.

One of the first books I read was Healing with the Seasons like and Eating with the Seasons like every. Just because all the food is available all the time doesn't mean we should be eating it.

Yeah.

You know Ed, there is so much principle around that. And in with today, being able to go to the grocery store and get any food you want anytime has really made that a complicated diet. I mean it's very intentional to eat that way. Otherwise you just end up buying whatever you want. Right. And everyone does it. But I agree with the principle, matter of fact to even another point. This is incredible. I did a social media piece on this. Oh my gosh, the controversy. Bananas. When you look at the research on bananas, it's like so bad, so good. So bad. Listen, don't tell me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, the principle is people that live where bananas grow. Bananas are incredibly healthy for them, microbiome is different. Your eyes know what latitude you're at and where you are. I know it sounds crazy, but it is true. I mean it's like. And all of a sudden now you know your body will start, you know, to function at that latitude which things grow with that latitude that don't grow in Canada, I would make the argument that Canadians shouldn't be eating bananas to any, you know, extended part of their diet. Right. Periodically, you know, I'm not going to say your body's not going to deal with that, but if it's a mainstay in your diet and you live where bananas don't grow, I think that's where a lot of the bad rap becomes. And I'm using bananas as one example. We can pick anything.

The poor banana.

Yeah, yeah, but, but again, it's all this controversy in our world, right? What's good, what's bad, what diet, what food. It's like, you know, it's like I think we have to throw the science out because we can oftentimes make science say what we want and just look at ancient cultures and go, what do they do? No ancient cultures stayed a vegan diet. No ancient culture stayed in a keto or carnivore diet. Either they switched as they the seasons changed or they were forced to change when they feasted and they famine, didn't they? When they had it, they ate it. When they had kill, they ate high protein diets. When they didn't were forging. I spent some time in a, an African tribe that just came out of the mountains. It was fascinating and I wasn't even there for the dietary stuff, but I learned so much. But anyways, different subject.

All right, so let's go to number four. We're both tracking this very tightly. Like we're counting. Yeah. So what happens with four, Dan?

Okay, yeah, so inflammation, reducing inflammation. This one kind of seems like after all of our talk, the most logical. Right. And again a lot of these dietary strategies and there's supplement strategies around this too. But reducing the cellular inflammation, if you don't do that, then again we're not going to get the good stuff in and the bad stuff out of the cells. We're not going to get the mitochondria. Inflammation of the mitochondria is a big problem because we can't raise cellular energy. Remember what I said? If we can't raise cellular energy, we don't. We do. Glutathione drops, inflammation goes back up. So we have to be doing all of these things at the same time. There's nutrients we can take to decrease cell inflammation. Herbals strategies, dietary as we're talking about. But that has to be part of the goal is to reduce cell inflammation. And back to the original conversation. If we don't get upstream to what's driving it, like getting rid of these toxic, bad, rancid oils. Then we're violating R4 and then let's R5. We started. Ed and I started the conversation right at reestablishing methylation. Had pointed out how important it was, and I agreed immediately. It's one of my R's that if we don't re. Establish methylation, we will never detox normally, ever. Right. As methylation goes down, glutathione goes down. Remember, glutathione is how we naturally detox. As glutathione goes down, methylation drop. I mean, so there's all these parallel. We can't even detox our own hormones if we don't have normal methylation pathways. So methylation is critical. And we already said there's, you know, there's different nutrients that absolutely have to be utilized in, in these methylation pathways. But again, we won't raise them unless we deal with the sources. Right.

That's kind of obvious. I mean, that's like, goes without saying. Right. But when you, when you refer to nutrients, what does that mean to you?

Well, yeah, good point. Because there's macronutrients, carbohydrates, proteins, fats, and then there's micronutrients, vitamin A, B, C, D, blah, blah, blah. Right. So nutrients.

So general, just like your multivitamin nutrients, essentially.

Yeah, general. And, and that's kind of hard to say, multivitamin nutrients, because as we know, there's multivitamin nutrients can be very bad. They can be good. But there's. That's a broad topic. Right.

There's a lot of things there. Yes.

Yeah, we were just talking about one of the other podcasts we recorded about a year was Joe B. Who talked about this study where they looked at in like the 1950s. They just decided that certain things were critical and certain things were not. But they essentially ignored like 25,000 phytonutrients. Phytonutrients and just said, okay, these are the important things and these are the not important things. But, but really we're. We need all of it. It's all happening in our body.

Right. Another category, F, you know, phytonutrients. Right. That's again, eating these whole foods and it's very important.

So is there anything we haven't asked you that we should ask you?

Well, you know, we, we hit on a lot of topics and I think that when we, I mentioned it in the beginning. Right. Because if we look back, I think someone in this conversation right now could be like, oh, my God. It's like what you said makes so much sense, but I still don't know what to do. I mean, I get that, right? I mean, there's. You know, it's. That's. This is tough, right? This is tough stuff. One thing I would say, you know, to oversimplify it, is. And I referenced this in the beginning, but I'll build on it just a little bit. Think about us all having a bucket, right? Genetically, some of us have bigger buckets, some of us have smaller ones, right? That's our ability to hold stress, not just physical toxins. But I'll call this the stress bucket. I already pointed out this doesn't look like a bucket.

I just have to say it doesn't look.

Oh, it doesn't. That's not a good bucket.

It looks like something else.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And. And because you and I already discussed our inability to draw. I mean, how do I make it look more like a bucket? That doesn't. That didn't do anything.

We usually draw a rain barrel. That's, what, square?

Square on the bottom?

I think square is better.

Square bottom.

Yeah, that's good. But I'm afraid if I draw that, it could be worse. So we'll just stick with this now, because everyone knows this is a bucket now, so. Okay, but we mentioned in utero, this bucket starts filling, right? We mentioned mercury, lead, such others, right? This is where it starts, right? Then we move into a moldy home, right? We start makeup. All the things we're putting in our. All these forever chemicals, plastics, right? I mean, all these exposures today, which, by the way, if you look at. I did a video on this. I showed people from 1931, you know, even like, 1950s, right? And just these are random pictures in cities. And I said, what don't you see? And some people got it. I don't see fat people. I'm like, nope, you didn't. Now, was it because they were eating less carbohydrates? No, not really. I would argue they had. Had better. Better oils. They were eating with lard. They were eating with butter, right? So I absolutely get that. But when we look at when all of the hormone problems started, weight loss pro. The chemical revolution occurred after World War II, right? And give it 20 years after that, and then you start seeing all of it happen. And it's like, the biggest reason why people don't feel well, have hormone problems, can't lose weight anymore. It's a toxic issue. I can prove it further. I go to Italy a lot and again, you don't see fat people in Italy. It's like. And they eat 20% more carbs than we do. Now, I am all for eating, you know, non processed food, but they eat a ton of carbs, right? But you know, the toxin levels there are massively different because glyphosate is outlawed. Most of the chemicals that we're dealing with in a lot of our food is outlawed. But anyways, the point is though, I don't want to lose the point. This bucket one day overflows and that's when the symptoms start, right? When the bucket finally overflows. And of course we start.

Wait, wait, you have symptoms before your bucket overflows? But I would say it's not bad enough. You haven't hit the bad enough level, right? You went off the cliff 20 years ago, but you had signs. They just didn't, they didn't register as a problem until it was like, oh my God.

It's like you said earlier, right? Normal. Is it normal? Is it normal? I was.

I mean, it's normal as we age that we lose our hair and get tired and don't have sex drive. It's all normal. That's what they supposed to be.

I sat in a conversation. I heard three women in a waiting room in my friend's office. And I was listening. I wanted to video it it because it was like basically they were saying everything that they had was normal. But isn't that normal? It was one thing, but, you know, but it's, you know, everyone has that. It was like, it was like, oh, my gosh, this is like the perfect conversation. I didn't, I should have. I should have like flipped out my cell phone. That wouldn't have been very nice. But anyways, so you're right. Symptoms start, but boom, that's when the bottom falls out. That's when we typically start reaching for medications, right? And then maybe that doesn't work. Then we move on to natural things, right? Then we're so clever. Now we end up in the biohacks, right? We end up doing a lot. And I. People criticize me because they think I'm critical of biohacks. I do them, I do them. But what, you know, but it's. It's fractional to compare to what we're talking about here is like getting to these big causes, right? It's like all the biohacks in the world, and I love most of them, honestly. It's really. It's not getting. Get people's health back. It's not it's just fun.

I say to people, do you say, I don't know if you. I don't know if. I don't know if you say this. I say, people, look, I have the best supplements in the world. Like, we've vetted all of them, but they're useless. If you're going to abuse yourself, if you're not going to sleep, if you're going to be a stress ball, if you're going to do all kinds of things that don't work for your body, the best supplements in the world are not going to keep up with that. It's just too big of a gap.

But, you know, until someone, boom, overflows, that message doesn't resonate. You just said. Because they would rather live the life they're living, drink the alcohol, whatever amount they're doing, stay up. Bad enough, not bad enough, until the bottom really falls out. Then they go, okay, I'm willing to give up this. I'm willing to do that. Right? You know, but then, you know, then it becomes complicated, okay? Ultimately, to disconfuse the conversation, how do we get wealthy? We empty this bucket and, you know, my five Rs, you have to do that in every cell of the body. If we can just get those cellular pathways functioning again, the body starts to do what it does, and we can't. We're not clever enough, doctors, you know, or anybody. It's. The body's innate intelligence, has to work. And the only way to get that working for us is to empty those buckets. You know, imagine if I had two glasses here, one filled near the top and the other one barely filled by stress. This one filled near the top, little bit of stress, symptoms overflow. Oh, can't handle it. Oh, my God. Right? It's like, you know, or just headaches, whatever it is, more pain. This one, if I empty out and bring it down to this level, I can stress it like this. No symptoms. That's where we need to be. That's where I am now. But I was this guy, right? But that's it. I mean, so to oversimplify it, we just have to empty our buckets, but we have to do it at the cellular level. We have to open up the cellular pathways, you know, and. And that's what I teach. And. And that's, you know, that's why I actually taught this, this concept. I'm looking for my cap for 20 years to doctors. And I. My. My children were the ones who said, dad, you need to take it directly to people looking for the answer. And then that's how Pompa program was born. It's a. It's basically saying, this is what I've taught for 20 years. Here's somebody looking for an answer that hasn't found one. This is what you do. And it educates them with a coach who I've trained to go through this process of cellular detox, cellular healing.

It's not the best way because that's actually.

That was our next questions. How do people. How do people find you? And we'll put all this in the show notes so they can click on it. But how do. How do people reach out, get in touch with. What should they be doing?

Yeah, I mean, two ways. If you go to pomprogram.com there's a great webinar. I did teaching training on this. Watch it. That'll help you. And then you can, you know, speak to someone even about the program that I was just speaking about. If you're interested in being, like, certified in this, which I, for, you know, 20 years, just certified doctors last year, it's the first time that I'm certifying the average person, pain to purpose, like me, right? Who's been through it and goes, I want to do this now. You know, and coaches, you know, I'm certifying coaches in what I do, but also people who just want to do it. That's healthcenters.com if you want to be certified, which is a new thing for me. I'm trying to. Obviously, my impact is to, you know, take this message to the world. By the way, I'll end here. I said in the beginning, you know, I didn't choose this. You know, it chose me. When I was real at my worst, my wife, true story. She literally was on her knees praying for not just me, for our whole family. Well, I only had two boys at that time. And that's a whole other story we didn't get into because I ended up adopting kids when I started getting my life back. But she was on her knees praying for us, and God spoke to her heart that not only is he going to get me well, but I'm going to take a message to the world. And when my wife would tell me that, I never wanted to hear it. My exact words were, I can't even get myself better, you know, how dare you put this on me? And here I am today, you know, through that prophetic word and, you know, everything I learned out of it. Pain to purpose is what I'm teaching today. So I always like to go from there's pain to purpose. But there's a promise. That promise my wife held on to, that he was going to get me. Well, she held onto it. At a certain point, maybe I did. But, you know, there's a promise out there for everyone looking for an answer. I believe it. Yeah.

Really don't give up hope because there is a future that moves, touches and inspires you in which you feel well.

Yeah.

So 100% well, we can be doing this forever.

I know. But I would say for the listeners, thank you for listening and for Dan, thanks for being here and sharing the message and the. Really a message. Inspiration and hope. Right. And possibility. So thank you for joining us.

Yeah. Thank you for being here.

Our pleasure.

We'll. We will do another show maybe on a whole show on fasting or.

Definitely.

Yeah.

And so thanks for being here. And then again, thanks for joining us for another episode of the Feel Freaking Amazing podcast. Ed Levitan, Wendy Trubo and Dan Pompa. You heard it from the Source, Sam.