Heal Your Gut and Look Younger using Peptides, with Dr. Edwin Lee

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Hello and welcome to the Feel Freaking Amazing podcast. Wendy Trubo, star sighting at Levitan. I know he hates when I say that, but he's never here. He's here today and today we have a really cool guest. We have Dr. Edwin Lee. He's an endocrinologist, author, international speaker and the founder of Institute for Hormone Balance in in Florida in 2008. He's board certified in internal medicine, endocrinology, diabetes metabolism and has completed special training in regenerative and functional medicine. He is a co founder of clinical peptide Safety and also started a not for profit organization and is the author of many books and the latest one is the Fountain of Youth with Peptides. And just as a disclaimer, this is not medical advice today. This is simply opinions. Take it as you will and consult your doctor. So Dr. Lee, welcome. We're so excited to have you here today.

Oh, thank you guys. Thank you for inviting me.

Yeah.

So I want to just start by.

You know, this is Ed's podcast today.

I'm a fanboy so I really admire your work and all the things that you've done contributed to forward this medicine. So I'm super excited to have this conversation.

Yeah.

Thank you for coming on board. It's really awesome.

So we're going to talk about peptides today. So I guess my biggest question is how'd you get into them? What was that moment where you went oh, this is really cool and really effective?

Well, peptides are interesting. I mean most doctors don't even know that they're using peptides. Like insulin was classified as a peptide and most, most doctors never even thought of insulin being a peptide. But the FDA in around 2020 kind of changed the definition of peptides, generally under 40amino acids. So peptides is a small little protein that are really amazing. They can turn on your body to self heal and to make you younger, to turn on fibroblast cells to make more collagen to help your immune system. So there are many, excuse me. There are many amazing effects that peptides do. There's not one peptide does it all. So there are peptides for beauty, peptide for hair, peptide for better mojo, better libido. We could talk about that. And there's peptides in terms of immune system. Unfortunately the FDA is making it more difficult. If you can go to, I don't know if you have that. There's a, that link that maybe you can share it with your.

We can put everything in the, in the show notes so people can find it.

Our QR code. But if you go to ClinicalPeopleSociety.com or SavePeopleDides.org there is a link to basically just Save Peptides. Just basically it's a petition, which is, which I founded. So we have over 8,000 signatures. We're close to 10,000. I started this like five years ago, so I don't know when I will hit 10,000. But we hit 8,000 like two days ago. So I'm super excited.

Congratulations.

Well, we'll make it definitely 8002.

Right? Well, let's tell people the value first. Let's show them the value and then we can ask them to save them.

Right.

So let's dive in like so. So we've been using them for years. But what was that moment for you? Do you remember it when you, when you just kind of the light bulb went off?

You know, I did go to a conference and can't remember exactly if it was in Vegas, but I did get to hear something about peptides. I remember this one guy from Australia, he came and he said he was the king of peptides. And I had no idea what he was talking about. It was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I was so fascinated on what I mean, he had so much energy and he was so passionate about it that I decided to do some my own research and maybe start with one or two peptides. And I would say that was like eight, nine years ago. My journey. Can't remember exactly when, but that's, you know, you learn from someone and that's how I went. So. And then I wrote a book on the fountain of life with peptides. The fountain youth. Sorry, the fountain Youth with Peptides. So you have my book, right?

Yeah, yeah, I. We bought it when it came out. It was what, two, three years ago, I think, right? It came out maybe a little longer now.

Yeah, I think it's about four years ago. Yeah, 2000. Yeah.

So talk to me about how do peptides. I know people talk about peptides for lots of things, but what our listeners really care about is feel freaking amazing. Live long, live well. And don't get all the stuff that all their friends are getting. You know, let's avert cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease, degenerative diseases. Let's avert all that stuff. So how do peptides play a role in that?

Well, the first peptide that I teach a lot of my healthcare providers to start off, and this is very simple, if you want to look younger, you want more collagen, and you want to basically help your dermis of your skin to get thicker is GHK copper. And it's a topical cream. It's used in, like, probably over 100 different cosmeceuticals sold, like, an even Marcus and other stores, but they only have a small percentage of GHK copper. But what's amazing is that you can put GHK copper on your thigh. And before you put it on, they did a study. They biopsy the thigh to see how much collagen there is. And then one month later, after applying it, a cream to the thigh, it actually increased collagen by 70%. 70.

Does that make my thigh, hypothetically speaking, look less fatty? Or, like, what does that do for me?

I mean. I mean, the GHK copper that I use all the time, and I'm in the Florida heat and sun, and I don't use even sunscreen, but I abuse my skin a lot. I mean, I. I know I'm out there on the water, sun is reflecting, and. And I. I use GHK copper religiously. You know, I just use two or three pumps every morning, and my wife uses it too. So I like. I like our GHK copper that we have. I use a compound pharmacy that. That formulates it. And so it's. Anyway, it's. It's a topical thing that if you want to use a systemic, then you have to do injection for your whole body. But that's a little hard to get because the FDA is restricting that. But every lot of my patients who've used it, they say, omg, my body's, like, getting younger, so. And I used it on my father who had cancer. He passed away a year ago. But it actually turns out it turns off cancer genes. It's really amazing. MIT and Harvard did a study called the connectivity study. They want to see, out of 1300 different molecules, which one was the best in terms of turning on your protective genes and turning off your cancer genes? The number one was ghk. And GHK is actually natural. When you have collagen and your collagen breaks down, it's GHK. GHK is a peptide 3amino acid peptide. It turns on your fibroblasts to basically make more collagen. It helps that dermis to get thicker. The thing is that as we get older, we have less ghk. As you get older, you need to balance your hormones, and we call that hormone replacement therapy. Now we have peptide replacement therapy because your immune system goes off, your skin goes off, everything goes off. The whole thing is we're just replacing some of these peptides that naturally are higher, like oxytocin. A lot of women have issues with anxiety. Oxytocin is the oldest peptide out there. It helps women contract, but oxytocin can calm you down. So that is a beautiful peptide.

Let's go back to the GHK for a minute. Is there anything you recom. Sorry. Asking for a friend. Hypothetically speaking, what would one nerves were. What base would one put it in for? Does it need a particular base for absorption? Optimal absorption, or is it really anything?

No, it's usually the compound. Pharmacy has a certain formula, so I'm not really good with their bases. So. But we use like 5 milligram per gram of GHK copper. So that's, that's usually a higher dose than you'll see sold, usually 2 milligrams, but we, we use 5 milligrams per gram. And we sell this all day in my office. People just buy it. I mean, we've had the, the cheapest looking label on the bottle and people still buy it because it's, it's. People just love it. It helps the. Like, my wife tried it and for, for like, she's the guinea pig of many, many things I do for her. And I think one time she was just tired of like, I, I got something new, honey, you want to try it? And she didn't try it. So I was kind of waiting for her to try it. But I had all my women patients, I go, hey, this is going to make you looking younger. And they go, oh, Dr. Lee, I want to try it. So they're just buying it left and right, and it's just like, we don't have to say anything. They just continue to. They just love it. And so eventually it's like six months later, my wife goes, do you remember this thing that you asked me to try? And I go, I don't remember. She goes, I love it. And I haven't heard the word love, like for 20 plus years.

Wait, Ed, we love you. You are loved. And so is ghk, apparently. Yes.

So I said, so what do you love about? And she goes, my pores got tighter. And that's a woman's talk. I mean, I mean, guys don't know what pores mean. So I had to ask my women patients go, what does that mean? And they go, come on, Dr. Lee, you're a doctor. And it took me a while to figure this out. But anyway, it's like a code for. But anyway, I don't pay attention of my pores, of my skin. But anyway, so she liked that her pores got tighter and so I can get behind that. Yeah.

What about wrinkles?

Yes, they reduce wrinkles.

Yes.

But it's not like Botox. This really helps the inside inner beauty. You have three layers of the skin, so it really helps the middle part we call the dermis. And as the dermis gets weaker, that's when the skin sags and you get wrinkles. So if you build up that dermis, it's, you know, your skin will look better and you'll have less wrinkles. Now if you have a super deep wrinkle, it may be less, but it's not going to be like Botox where this dissolves.

So what other things for let's say middle aged people?

Asking for a friend. We have lots of friends. You know, we do the podcast for ourself and then like, it helps contribute to people. So, so what are your other favorite things? So the GHK is one. Everybody wants to lose weight. So there's the peptides for weight loss. What about hair growth, brain health? Like, talk to me about all that stuff.

This is gonna be, this is gonna be a long podcast. So I actually wrote a book on all these peptides. So chapter two, I talk about hair growth. So anyway, but go read the book.

Read the book.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, if you want to get the paperback book, people can call my office, say, hey, they listen to the podcast, give you the special price of basically $20, like 50% off. It's retailed $39.99, so you can get it for $20 and then you pay for shipping. We only ship in the US So if you're in Canada or Mexico or Europe, we don't ship outside.

You're out of luck.

You're going to get the Peptide Sol.

Yeah, but you can get on Amazon the electronic version, the ebook version. So you can get that. So some people like to electronic version. But the peptide that I really love is. The number one peptide that I love is epithelin. It has tons of data. Epithelium comes from our pineal gland. And so it looks like a pine cone. For a long time, people thought that that was the window for spiritual health or for spiritual world. But the pineal gland secretes melatonin and also epithelin. And epithelin helps with, we call cell cycle. So if your old skin dies off, you can generate a new skin cell, but also you can generate other parts like new muscle cells. And you can generate, believe it or not just new liver cells or kidney cells or pancreatic cells. So the problem is that as we get older, our cells kind of get stuck and they cannot self replicate, whereas epithelin kind of kickstarts it so that you can get a new cell, a new kidney cell, hopefully a new pancreatic cell. So I have some people with mild kidney failure or they're having problems with their pre. Whether like type 2 diabetes. And some people even get off their insulin. Not type ones, but they're type two diabetics. And I've seen people, their kidney function gets better and I have people with their pancreatic function gets better, their back of the eyes get better. It doesn't make everything better, but a lot of things get better. So epithelin is critical. If you can do it two times a year, it's phenomenal.

Is there any risk of promoting a cancer cell growing if there's already one growing, if you're regenerating things?

I actually gave epithelin to my father too, because he had a very aggressive cancer. So he, he died a year ago, and a year prior to that, he was in the hospital with a small bowel obstruction. And he had a.

Basically.

Let'S see, it was a lymphoma, small bowel T cell lymphoma. Very, very rare cancer. The oncologist goes, this is the rarest of all these cancers. My dad had this rare blood cancer obstructing his bowel. He had surgery to basically open up the obstruction. And they told him there was nothing we can do. You have really a month to live. Chemo will not work, radiation won't work. So I brought all these peptides to him and I said, dad, I'm going to give you epithalin and also some other peptides there. And my dad was stoic. He goes, save it for your patients. I don't need it. And I goes, too late, I already drew it up and mom's going to inject you. So, so anyway, he cannot say no to my mom. So anyway, so my mom injected him and within a month, he went from a wheelchair to basically walking. And then eventually he was able to walk a mile a day, regained all his weight. He basically had eight months of great life, and you could see the cancer growing. But the thing is that epithalin has been shown to turn off some the genes in certain colon cancer. Epithelin is also really interesting. It actually turns off not all the cancer genes, but can turn off a lot of different cancer genes that's been studied in animal studies. Anyway, if this would happen again, yeah, I would basically do the same thing, be very aggressive. There are certain peptides for cancer and there are certain peptides for regenerative purposes. I wouldn't give the regenerative peptides for people cancer that will make them grow epithelin actually. Anyway, I think it helped him. Interesting.

I'm thinking I have a patient that is Otherwise healthy, about 50 year old patient that has his kidney creatins up. You're saying that that's something that potentially epithelium can make a difference with?

Yeah, if they have. There's a couple of things. With early kidney failure, I would use a special probiotic and it's called Renadyl R E N a D Y L. And it actually it's a probiotic that eats up extra nitrogen waste. So when you have much protein, protein is bad for kidney failure. And people just like when you're in dialysis, they limit your protein intake. But with early kidney failure there's two things is that you need something to take rid of, get rid of that extra nitrogen waste. So I see people's creatinine improved with Renadyl. So R E N a D Y L. I would recommend go to the specific website that says sell them. Not on Amazon, there's a lot of copycats on that. And the second thing is I recommend sodium bicarb because when you get older, your muscles and your bones buffer the extra acid. So when you have an acidic diet, if you lose that buffering zone, then your kidneys get a hit. So take sodium bicarb like 500 milligrams a day, you can go even higher to 1000 milligrams or 500 twice a day. That can help protect the kidneys there. And then the third thing is I would use epithalin and I like to use if you can get injection 5mg sub Q daily for 10 days in a row and repeat every six months. But people with really bad kidney disease, I actually do that more aggressively like every two months, just until the kidneys get better and then space it out.

Do you recommend those people go on a plant based diet to minimize their animal proteins? If the protein's so toxic for the kidneys, yes.

But not many people want to. That's a big change for a lot of people. So I say try to reduce your protein intake if you can, but if you be more plant based. But I can't push them to be all plant based because that's a little too radical for Them, but if they eat a little less, a little more, a little less animal protein, more on plants, that's actually healthier and more healthy fats, that's healthy for the kidneys.

And what would your third favorite peptide be? I feel like this is picking children. What's your first and your second favorite child? All of ours are our favorites, just for the record.

So the one that I'm really trying, I'm going to go to the FDA, I think December 4th, I had to get my plane ticket and fly to D.C. anyway, it presents the safety and efficacy data on TA1. I published a study earlier this year. It's called the Comprehensive Review on the Safety and Efficacy in Humans in Clinical Trials with Thymus and Alpha1. I tabulated over 11,000 patients in clinical trials around the world on PA1. It was absolutely safe. So I don't think they seen this data. That's why I want to go out there to present it. But the thymus gland actually shrivels up. So there's two peptides or a couple peptides from the thymus gland. One's thymosin, alpha one. The other one's thymus and beta four. So they work differently. But thymus and alpha one for the immune system. Thymus and beta four, it's for a couple things. It reduces inflammation but also helps with the neurons with myelination. But the thymusen, for one, I really think that it's phenomenal for the immune system. If my wife ever gets sick, she gets a sore throat. I remember she goes, I took everything. I took the silver, I gargled with silver. I took the zinc, a, C, the D. She goes, do you have something stronger? Because she felt like I'm going to come down and if she gets sick. I remember my kids growing up. It's like, it's a nightmare because I don't know how to, like, take care of the kids. I don't know if they need lunch money or if they have to take them to soccer practice. Although I was a soccer coach for 10 years, so I didn't know their soccer schedule because I just set that up. But I remember once I said, do you need lunch money? And they both said, yeah. And so I gave them money. And then later my wife goes, I paid for the whole year.

Nice. Both those peptides, though, have been banned, right, by the fda. Is that correct?

Well, it's like the one you say band. Yes, both have. I think we can save TA1 and alternatives TA11, which is actually a 34amino acid peptide, but I think we can. It's category two, meaning there's not enough safety data and they want to review that. If it gets to category one for the 503, a compound pharmacy, then they can compound it legitimately so they can do it all day long.

So what's the second one that's not okay, so TA1 is right now restricted.

What's the other restricted one time it's in beta 4.

Thank you.

It's because it's over 40amino acid and they basically said anything over 40 is a biologic, so you need a biological license to produce it. So. But anyway, so there are a couple places that giving out, not giving out. But anyway that does Thymus and Beta 4 even though they know it's on the band list, but they're just still making it.

So talk to me about when, when I mean we go to compounding pharmacies. But people who are listening, who may not be patients of ours or yours, if they want to use peptides, how do they, what did, what should they be looking for and how do they access it in a way that's, that's clean? Because I would totally agree with you not to go to. Look, we, we joke in our home that Jeff Bezos is my boyfriend and he sends me everything I want because anything I need I just go to Amazon, I buy it and I get it, right? But not supplements because they have not temperature controlled warehouses. There's a lot of knockoffs. A lot of the products have been found to be fake. So obviously not Amazon. But where do people go for peptides if they want them?

Well, first of all, I know a lot of people shop, which I tell all the doctors that I train do not go for research purpose only. On the website there's peptide science. They look great and legit, but it's for research purpose only for a doctor. They can lose their license if someone dies. There's, there's no, no one can protect them because it says for research purposes only a million times before you purchase it. So it, you don't know what's in it. And I've had, I've heard stories that people have checked the substance and it's totally different what they got. So that's the wild wild west. So anyway, if you go to a clinical peptide society, you can see people who've passed the certification test and we have basically I think every state. So you just click on that and you'll find hopefully one that is close by and you can actually contact them and get established and get peptides legitimately through a compound pharmacy. So I do have two nurse practitioners, but one's really into peptides a lot. She's helped publish a lot of studies with me and her name's Morgan Burns and, and she's kind of really, she's into wellness and she knows how to balance hormones. And so if you call my office, I'm, I'm basically closed my office seeing new patients. I mean, it's just, I'm just, I've, I just can't see any new ones, but Morgan can.

So anyway, are there any other safety considerations people should think about when they're taking peptides or when there are few?

There are a few side effects like the growth hormone peptides generally in, in class, maybe 5 to 10% has a rash to it or some of them you flush or something like that. But they're not any severe adverse effect like heart disease or stroke and things like that. But it's certainly very well tolerated. I'm collecting numbers and I think honestly there's over a million peptides prescribed in certain peptides over the past five, six, seven years and it's been jelly. Relatively safe. You may have some minor side effect like injection site rashes or overall, I mean later get, you know, a bigger rash or something like that or itchiness. But it's only very well tolerated. But the growth hormone peptides tend to have issues.

If people get rashes, is that an indication to stop or is it okay?

No, they're, they're becoming allergic to it, so you have to stop them.

Okay.

It's their, their immune system is. Don't like it, so it's just going to get worse.

So it's more, I know like some of the growth hormone like the IPamorelin, CJC as the FDA has recommended not continuing.

Yeah. So we're going on October, end of October to the FDA to debate about or discuss about hypermoreland and also cuspeptin 10. And I think AOD are the three peptides and then there's hydroxyprogesterone and some, some amino acids can be talked about. But I'm, I'm, I'm personally I'm on this task force to kind of say peptides. Mine, two, two is TA1. Other one's ARA290.

So I, I've had some really good success with the ara.

Oh, I love it.

Yes, it's, it's, it's been actually for some people, besides the price point, it's been really amazing. Oh yeah, Neuropathy.

Yep.

I have A question. It is a really unpopular question. It's not political. I just want to understand why does every peptide name have the worst name and is not memorable and has. Seems to to me have no relationship to what it does? Why. Why are they named the way they're named?

Science.

It's just. So is it.

Is that what it. I'm like, why did this. Why is it called that different?

It's like pharmaceutical, that you have a generic name and a brand name. And most pharmaceutical names are terrible, especially if it starts like Q and there's a V and a W in it. So I don't even know how to pronounce 90% of the new drugs out there. But anyway, it's. I have no idea. It's just nomenclatures and the numbers, it always has the numbers. So usually the numbers like BPC157, the 15 is 15, so it's 15amino acid. I still don't know what 7 stands for, but anyway, some scientists figures the 7 stood for something. But it doesn't always work out that way. These numbers, it's weird, but it's a cool thing. Once you learn it, then you can sound cool. So it's like medical school. You learn new words and you sound like you're educated. But anyway, so it is what it is.

Should we talk about BPC157? Just because it's so popular and we use the oral. Oral is still easy to get.

Yeah, that's another favorite peptide of mine. You can get that. It's not on the chopping block. There is the injectable one. So BPC157 oral. I just started my wife on that yesterday with kpv. She has a little gastritis, so it's going to help with tightening the les junction so she doesn't get reflux. But it also can help heal ulcers. And then the kpv, we have a peptide that's together. So two peptides for the price of one kpv. Not many people know about that, but it's a derivative of another peptide called Alpha msh. But KPV really reduces inflammation and it's great for the gut. So those two are like. If you have people with gut issues, those two combined in one peptide, same price of one is amazing. To help them to help the gut heal.

We have the only bpc, right? It's not. So are. Is this something you would compound or.

I get it from a company that only sells to doctors, but it's called healthevity and they have the bpc, they.

Usually, that's what's his name?

Yeah, Michael. It sounds like he owns the cheese factory.

But it's not injection, it's. It's oral.

It's oral. But they do have BPC injection and KPV can be injected.

Oh, I thought BPC injections were outlawed like a year ago.

I actually, I just got approval for publication. I just had to make some minor edits and then once I do that, they review it and then it will be published. But I have other studies that I have IRB approved. And so the one study that's almost ready to be published is, I've been waiting for the longest time is interstitial cystitis. So women with a lot of basically bladder pain failing over a year on pentacin polysulfate, the FDA approved drug for interstitial cystitis. So I have a friend who is a urogynecologist and he decided to basically inject bpc. Basically he scopes in the bladder, sees area inflammation, injects around it in it. Then basically he collected the data. It's amazing, I can't remember exact numbers because I'm working with so many different studies, but this was 10 out of 12 had significant improvement after the one treatment and the other two basically had like 50 or more improvement. So they're asking for a second treatment. So basically this is like revolutionary. It's like, you know, you don't need to have surgery and so this, this is a great option. So people, if you want bpc, sign the petition. You know, it's, we need, I need donations too. But anyway, just sign the petition and that'd be great. I have other studies, I did almost like a phase one study, IRB approved, escalating dose of BPC iv and I'm currently, I have a medical, he's not even a medical school or pre med student and he wants to get a medical school. So I said okay, just I want you to write this and this and this. And so he's helping me write this, but in my head's already done. I just waiting for him to finish some parts of it. And so we're going to submit it for publication. And then I have two other studies, another IRB food study on BPC for after knee surgery and shoulder surgery. So they're doing laparoscopically at the very end they get randomized. The patient doesn't know if they're going to get it or not. But half the group gets at the very end BPC just before closure, other half Just get sailing. And they're going to follow it like a, you know, one month, three months and four months or whatever. And we'll see the two groups who recover fast.

What do you use? The IV bpc. That's. I haven't heard of that.

Oh, for pain?

Just for pain?

Oh yeah. Back pain, Just any type of pain. So it, it really.

Yeah.

So yeah. And then I have another's study that it's almost IRB approved. So this morning I had a meeting and it is going to be people who inject. I'm going to have doc. I mean if you're a clinic that does a lot of injections. So if you do a lot of injections, you know, you may be in the study. So you can be a center for it. So if you get the BPC and there's upper extremity, lower extremity. So we do intra articular injections or trigger point injection and then you basically record where you injected and where you got the compound of BPC and how much you injected and all that. And then the patient actually does the safety and efficacy. So there is an app that they do and this is what the FDA wants. They don't want the doctor to say, oh yeah, it was 100% safe, there was no side effects. They don't care about that. They want to hear from the patient. So the patient actually does it like before injection, two weeks later, a month later. So they self grade and basically that's what. So this is the registry site. So it's been taking almost a year to get the study of foods because it's just been, it's been taking a long time. But once it's out, hopefully we can do this study, collect a lot of some data and then show the FDA, hey, this is, this is safe and it works. So I have, I have another study too. I don't want to bother.

Awesome. That's amazing. I mean that you're spending so much time.

It's a full time job just to do all this.

Oh absolutely.

And then go on podcast and then. Yeah, that's fun.

I like I was going to say something about a wife and that's okay.

A wise man once said nothing. There we go.

Yeah. Better to not say.

This is amazing. So where do people find out more? Is it. Do they go to the clinical.

You can go clinical peptidesociety.com or savepeptides.org org everyone gets, they go to savepeptides.com and I don't know where that goes to but savepeptides.org to sign the petition. And anyway, it's great to have. If a patient who used a peptide and put a comment. There's some doctors who write comments or there's patients who write comments. So the two comments are kind of classical. One is peptides saved my life. And second thing is the fda. Screw the fda because I've been reading it once a month and it's the same thing.

It's like, that's not going to be necessarily helpful. But okay.

Actually I want the FDA to save the peptides. They're just saying there's not enough safety and efficacy. And that's my job is I'm trying to publish some data to save BPC and TA1 and also every 290. And so, so I'm, my wife goes, why are you doing this? And like, you know, it's a lot of work and effort, but, you know, if we can continue to use it, it's to me and in your practice. In my practice and people who use peptides, it's, it's amazing to me. I call it the wolverine peptide. People recover quickly. Now some people do need surgery after, you know, it's not going to work 100%. But some people, like my mother, torn meniscus. She doesn't need surgery.

So with BPC157.

Yeah.

Wow.

My mother is, she's 82. She's. She's now a peptide addict, a junkie.

Now, do you have to do it intra articular or can you just do it subcutaneously?

Better intra articular for the joint. But this time I cannot fly to Pennsylvania because I've been. My mother lives in Pennsylvania. I'm in Florida. And it's like every weekend. Like, like two weeks ago I was in Boston. Next week like I was in Tampa. And then next week I'm like in Puerto Rico. So I just mailed BPC157 to my mom. So, so I had to do like with the phone like facetime to teach her how to draw it up. And my mom's 82. So the phone is like looking at the ceiling, kitchen ceiling. And I go, mom, I can't see you. Then I see the. Just top of her head. And it's not easy to teach your parents how to use FaceTime or the computer.

I think zoom would be better. Right? You just say, mom, go to your email. I sent you a link.

She doesn't even do email. She doesn't even do emails.

No email. Okay. She's old school, man.

She's Very old school. So. But anyway, she has been doing just sub Q and it has helped her. So it's like, thank you, because, yeah, I am booked. I am solid. I feel bad. I can't fly. So I said, why don't you fly here? But anyway, we'll see. I mean, that's. The second option is I'll fly her here so I can eject her.

We said we wouldn't talk about politics, and I think parental relationships does skew into the realm of politics, Ed.

Like, oh, yeah, how does that work?

Managing aging parents is a political conversation.

Oh, it's not. But, yeah, you try to help your parents.

Yeah, of course. Dr. Lee, I just want to really, again, thank you. Like, you've been not only a pioneer, but you've all the time and effort and energy you put into helping the rest of us practice and provide good medicine and really make a difference for people that are across our paths in our lives. And it's. It's truly a pleasure to meet you. It's. It's an honor to have you on our podcast and we definitely will want you back.

Thank you very much. Well, thank you for this time and, and, and I appreciate that. You can spread the word on signing the petition, so if you can put that on the. On the back end, that'd be great.

Yeah, we definitely will. So, Dr. Lee, thanks for being here. Thanks for joining us for this episode of the Feel Freaking Amazing podcast. We'll put all the links in the show notes and for the listeners, this stuff works. Go try it well with your doctor.

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