Look and Feel Decades Younger by Removing Senescent Cells, with Dr. Jerry Mixon

Hello and welcome to the Feel Freaking Amazing podcast. I'm Wendy Trubow, and Ed LeVitan is with us today. And today we have Dr. Jerry Mixon. He is a physician with over 50 years of medical experience, and he's also the founder of the Longevity Medical Clinic, where he has helped thousands of patients reject normal aging since 1997. He's 78 years old, although you wouldn't know it by looking him, and he runs 3 miles a day. He maintains a lean athletic body, proving that getting stronger, faster, and leaner and sharper with age is not just possible, it's the standard that his patients live by. Gerry, welcome. Thank you for being here today.

Well, thank you. And as for that kind, uh, introduction, I saw something on someone else's website a few years ago that I've adopted. I love it. It said, let's make 90 the new 60.

Mm-hmm.

I am almost 79. I have, I'm within 2 months of completing my 79th trip around the sun. And you're right, I can run for several miles before I get short of breath. I bench press over 200 pounds. You know, I carry about a 5%, or sorry, carry about 11% body fat, you know, and I am above the 99th percentile in muscle mass, which is not bad for a guy pushing 80, you know.

Better than not bad, Gerry. I think that's a pretty low bar.

It's not bad for like a 30-year-old.

So, well, as it turns out, uh, yeah, you know, 30 years ago when I started my first clinic— I, I have 3 clinics now in the, in the Puget Sound area— um, the only thing we could think of that really helped other than diet and lifestyle, although those are, are important, Was we looked at the global decline in endocrine support. All of your hormones from testosterone to growth hormone to estrogen to pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone, progesterones, thyroid, adrenals, everything was going downhill. And we had no idea why. But all we could do at that point was measure them all and measure, put every hormone we could measure back to the level of a 25-year-old.

Wow.

And try to hold it there. So we measure all of their blood every 3 months and adjust, tweak all their endocrine balance. And that helped a lot. It shifted metabolism away from fat towards muscle. You know, it made their brains work faster and sharper. It provided a lot of the drive and ambition and self-confidence that, that we lose as we age. But about 2019, the first papers were published showing that senescent cell accumulation was a critical factor in at least mammalian aging. They treated 20-month-old mice with one set of quercetin and dasatinib. They added 36% to their lifespan. But more importantly, those mice started Breeding again. They ran their treadmills faster. They solved their mazes quicker. Uh, they actually recovered their hormone balance on their own, which was pretty fabulous.

Uh, I just need to interrupt you there. No, because you might not know this, but Ed and I are married, and I am not going to start recreating procreating again, just for the record. If you turn the clock back, we're not doing that anymore. That factory is closed.

Just so you know. I do understand.

I've got no comment on that.

You can get another wife.

I'm not kidding.

No more babies here. That factory is closed. All right, Jerry, back to you. Sorry about that. I just needed to make sure that we were on the same wavelength.

I do understand. No, this is part of human biology though. I do a 4-hour Dr. Colin radio show every Saturday. And one of the questions I always get from guys, never from the women, Is, my wife has lost interest in sex, how do I fix her? And my answer is, oh, you don't have to fix her. She's doing what women are designed to do. You know, from a biological standpoint, the purpose of sex is reproduction.

Right.

And women start with about 6 million eggs before they're born in late gestation. They burn— they use about 500 of them during their reproductive life. But by the time they're 45 to 50, they essentially have no fertile eggs left. Those eggs have been in storage for 50 years, and they don't last that long. And so when, when biology says you cannot reproduce anymore, the drive for sex normally fades. Okay, it's a, it's a reproduction thing, you know, from biology as opposed to our society and our male wishes. The reality is that women are supposed to lose libido midlife. They just are.

Does that go over well with your radio listeners? Just out of curiosity.

The guys hate it. The guys hate it.

So what's a guy to do? Like, what's a guy to do, Jack?

Well, and that's a problem, you know. For much of human history, of course, polygamy was the thing. Many of the Islamic world still practice polygamy. That was one answer, you know. In China, up until the revolution, 1949 or so, when a woman lost her libido, she could get her husband a concubine whose job was to take over that part of the life. But the concubine became the wife's servant. She worked for the wife, not for the husband. The French, of course, have accepted extramarital affairs for men, but not for women, for hundreds of years. I don't know. All I tell people is I don't have answers. You know, I know what biology is doing. How we cope with it is a whole different issue.

Yes. I mean, I think just for the listeners, all hope is not lost, and we can improve your sex drive and your response Into and through menopause with proper endocrine balancing and hormone treatment. So just so that the listeners aren't like, oh, I've got to get my husband a concubine.

No, I mean, my wife is not happy. What's the answer? I mean, what?

I mean, seven. Let's give you one per day because you know you don't want to get bored of things.

You know, I appreciate your thinking about this.

I really am here to take care of you.

You know my the reality is that when we restore a woman's androgen balance, we put her testosterone levels back to youthful levels, about 30% of them increase their libido significantly. So about 1 in 3. And it's fascinating when I talk about that decline in female libido, that's not universal. Okay. About 1 woman in 3 does not lose her libido. 2/3 do, but 1/3 don't. And then of those that have lost it, about a third of those we can bring it back pretty easily. And so that means about 50% of women altogether either never lost it or can get it back. Okay, there's still that other half that we don't have a great answer for yet. Yeah, and at some point there are simply accommodations to your partner's needs. For both male and female. Some women say, well, it is part of a marital relationship and a duty. Others say, no, not really. Some guys very willingly accommodate to their wives' changes and others less so. I don't have all the answers in life.

I thought you did. Hold on.

Why are we— I wish I did. No, I, I, God, I wish I had a magic pill or a shot or something. But, you know, reality is we, we cope with the world as it is, and we make the absolute best of it that we can.

Let's go back to the senescent cells, actually.

Let's do that.

Because I think that's a wise idea at this moment. Let's go back to senescent cells. Because first off, please tell the listeners, what are senescent cells? So that they're— we're all on the same page.

Sure. Every cell in our body is designed to do a particular job for a particular period of time, at which point it runs to the end of its lifespan and is supposed to die. We call it autophagy, that is self-eating. It's supposed to die and fall apart and be replaced by a new cell. But a small percentage of cells hit that endpoint and instead of dying, they basically become cellular zombies. They stop doing what they're supposed to do. They start kicking out anti-growth, anti-healing, anti-repair chemicals into their environment, and they become the living dead of the cellular world. The problem is those anti-growth, anti-healing chemicals that they kick out poison healthy cells and turn them into these cellular zombies. And so as we age, we start accumulating these. And the scary part is that the second most susceptible tissue in our body that develops senescence is our immune system. The CD4, CD8 cells that are responsible for finding and killing viruses and cancers and all the bad stuff that try to, to take us off of this world. Wow. By the time we are in our 70s to 80s, the majority of our immune cells are now senile and actually are interfering with healing and repair. So, and we now know why, by the way. As we age, our hormone balances are dropping. Every gland in our body— your testicles, your ovaries, adrenals, thyroid, pituitary— every gland in our body is being invaded by these senescent cells and being poisoned. And as that senescent cell accumulates in our glandular tissues, our hormone levels are declining. The fascinating question that we don't have an answer to yet is if we reduce senescent cell load in younger people, in their 30s and early 40s when we're first seeing that decline, if we wiped out their senescent cell load, then would their hormones all turn back on? Women and men, would we be able to avoid hormone replacement therapy for the rest of their lives? Great question. I just don't have the answer yet, but we're working on it.

So have you— are there ways that you are Helping the body clear the senescent cells out?

Yes. Yeah.

Can you talk about that?

Sure.

Please.

The most, quote, natural, non-pharmaceutical is simply weight loss and muscle mass. Working muscle produces over 600 peptides, enzymes, hormones, growth factors that actually kill senescent cells. And so Someone who maximizes working muscle mass will be able to reduce their senescent cell load by up to 40%. So that's a big help. Also, fat produces over 50 compounds that promote senescence in our tissues. And that's one of the reasons I made a point to lower my body fat level as low as I reasonably can and kick my muscle mass up. Because I want to make as few senescent cells as possible and kill them in the most natural ways possible. But we've also got medications.

I wanna make sure we talk about fasting 'cause fasting does a good job with that.

It does too. Sure. Intermittent fasting. Yeah. And, you know, what your intermittent is, is whether it's monthly, weekly, or daily. Is a, a point of still research and, and observation. You know, there's a lot of people still looking at this. My personal is I eat twice a day. I have a nice robust breakfast and then I go out and do about 3 miles on the trail and then I clean up and come to work and then I eat a, a good lunch. But then that's the last time I eat till the next morning. And so I have a daily fast, if you will. And so for me, that's the most comfortable.

Yeah, you clean up pretty well, Jer.

Well, thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

Okay, so we've got fasting, we've got muscle growth. Out of curiosity, and you can tell me to pound sand if you don't want to talk about this, but, uh, are you using anything to help your body decrease its body fat, such as a peptide, such as an injectable peptide?

I have not. Um, I use it in my patients. But 11% body fat is about as low as I really feel like going anyway. You know, I'm not trying to get down to bodybuilder sort of levels where you see every vein and every muscle fiber. You know, if I can see my abdominal muscles, I'm lean enough.

Yeah, yeah. Were you always lean like that, or like—

Oh God, no, no, no, no, no, no. At 50, I was round. I wish I, I could show you a a picture on this. No, at 50, I was round, I was fat, I was depressed, I was damn near sexless. I could not have run around the block if my life depended on it.

So what shifted?

Um, I started into this whole hormone replacement milieu. I started looking at what could be done about the aging process. And so I I moved all of my hormones, you know, thyroid, growth hormone, pregnenolone, progesterone, dehydroepiandrosterone, testosterone, estradiol, all of them back to the mid-range of a healthy 25-year-old and measured every 3 months and tweaked and adjusted and put that together with a diet and exercise.

Wow.

And I started losing weight and I started getting stronger.

You know, what was that moment that you said, I need to alter my path?

Um, again, it was just before 50. I was 49 years old and I was a stressed-out, sedentary country doctor working 14, 15-hour days. That had cost me my first marriage because at the end of a 15-hour day, I had nothing left to give. When I came home at night, all I wanted to do was collapse. And then the phone would start ringing about midnight and I'd answer, you know, 4 or 5 phone calls after midnight. I was still delivering babies, so I'd be up at 2 in the morning doing an emergency cesarean section. You know, horrible lifestyle. Absolutely awful. High stress, low reward. Yeah, just would never ever want to go back to that.

But what was the moment, Jerry, like when you were like, this has to stop, I'm pivoting now? Did something— did you have one of those watershed occurrences or was it just sort of—

I was just, you know, I got a phone call at 2 in the morning and they needed me at the hospital. Baby was in trouble, heart tones were dropping, mom needed an emergency section. And as I dragged my fat ass out of bed and I couldn't get the balance to put my pants on one leg at a time, I had to sit down and pull my britches up because I didn't have the balance and the leg strength to stand on one leg anymore and get my britches up. And I, at that moment, realized that my life was pretty shitty.

Wow.

You know, I was doing important stuff for a lot of people who needed me, but I was falling apart physically and emotionally. And so I started looking into what's happening to me. Why is it this way? You know, I mean, I started life, I was born on military base, raised on military bases. My father spent 32 years in service. I joined the Army at 17, ran off to be a tough guy combat paratrooper. I was very proud of my physical prowess and personal courage under those trying circumstances. I earned Purple Hearts and a few gunshot and shrapnel wounds through the years. But to go from that, from that tough young paratrooper, To the old man that couldn't put his pants on standing up. Yeah, it got my attention.

Thank you for your service to the country and for the way you put your life on the line.

Thank you. Although I have to admit, it was more way a young man with way more hormone than brain at the, at the time.

So— Just take the compliment. You, you did a good deed for the country. So, so you pivoted. You were 50 and you pivoted your life and your entire thinking. Did you also start working less at that time?

No. Um, I mean, I was already divorced, you know. Um, I was single for 17 years between marriages. And, uh, so I had nothing in my life but my work. And so, yeah, I worked as my I worked as a country physician in the day, and then I spent my nights, often till 2 in the morning, I would drive 2 hours to the local medical school library, dragging myself through the literature, 'cause we didn't have internet in those days. I couldn't do searches. I couldn't tell Grok, find me this. You know, I would spend hours for each paper I found. But I realized the literature was there. to do a whole lot more than we were doing. It's just that as a profession, we weren't doing it. It, it, for some reason, it wasn't the standard of care.

Right. Okay. So you kept working like a dog, basically, but you started to learn more and then you opened up your clinic. And then, okay, so let's go back to the things that we can do. Thank you for sharing your story because that's like Gives some context to you weren't born this way. You actually had to overcome something in order to get where you are now. You were not a lifelong sports enthusiast at ideal body weight. You actually— you were round at 50, and now you have 11% body fat at almost 79. That is the transformation. So, okay.

Well, a lot of it too is also brain and attitude. You know, restoring your hormone balance to a 25-year-old range, you know, we call these sex hormones and they are in adolescence when we're preparing ourselves for reproduction. But once you're an adult, these are primarily brain hormones. These alter how we think about ourselves and the world around us, how we perceive the universe in total. You know, once you have the endocrine support of a young person, your brain works differently. The drive, the ambition, the self-confidence, the stress tolerance all improves.

So how do you distinguish, you know, when we get our Quest Labs for all of the things you're listing off, they don't give us the healthy 25-year-old range necessarily. They just give us, are you dying? Or are you too high? Are you dying because it's too low? Are you too— that they don't, they don't really suss it out. So how did you get to what's a 25-year-old healthy, healthy level look like?

Well, basically that, uh, that data was in the internet back in those days. You just had to find it one paper at a time. So it took some doing, but actually the labs, the big labs all have age-normed values. You know, the fact is, if you're 60 and you ask for your dehydroepiandrosterone level, they'll give you the normative ranges for your age. If you're 25, they give it to you for your age. And so they've got it. You just have to get it.

How'd you pick 25? Like, why 25 and not 20 or not 30? Why there?

We age at different rates. Speed of processing peaks in our late teens, 16, 17 years old. That's why you watch the kids on their phone and their thumbs are flying along 1,000 miles an hour. And people our age are going, duh, duh, duh, you know. Physical power peaks in our late teens. Peaks at about 25. And by 30, we've lost 1 to 1.5% of our physical power. The decline has already begun by 30. It's just not grossly noticeable by then. But every decade, the rate of decline picks up and gets faster and faster and faster till by time you pass 70 or so, you're headed downhill at a furious rate. So On the other hand, executive function doesn't peak till you're around 50. The ability to have judgment and ability to juggle conflicting sorts of data, it takes a degree of maturity that we don't have when we're young.

Right.

So my idea was I want to give my patients back as close to their physical peak as possible. Life has given them the experience. And I deal with a lot of business owners and executives. And so what I tell them is, if you can give back someone with 25 or 30 years experience in a field, the drive, the ambition, the self-confidence that they had in their youth, and the physical capacity for work, they're not gonna be beaten by some young, young kid coming up. Nobody beats that person because they've got it all. So that's basically how I put it all together.

Nice. I do want to go back to the senescent cells and find out the drugs and the supplements.

Oh yeah, sorry, we got very sidetracked.

I need to feed my brain here.

Oh yes.

Well, yeah, the original studies were done with 2 compounds. A drug that was initially approved for chronic myelogenous leukemia, dasatinib, and a polyphenol over-the-counter supplement, quercetin. So 100 milligrams of dasatinib with 1,200 or so milligrams of quercetin was a combination that they used in the original studies done by Mayo Clinic. And so I basically just swiped Mayo Clinic's protocol from their early studies, and that's what I used. If it's good enough for Mayo, it's good enough for me. Now, they have modified their protocol several times since then because they're trying to get as little risk as possible balanced against some improvement. The problem that Mayo and in fact every research clinic on the planet has had is they're judging based on very crude criteria. How fast do the mice run mazes? How— with the humans, how many sit-stands can they do? How far can they walk in 6 minutes? Okay, uh, these are pretty crude clinical measurements. The thing I want to know is, how low did you actually drop your senescent cell load compared to where you started, and what particular physical, mental changes did that level give you?

And how do you measure that?

Well, no one has measured it until now.

Can you measure the level of senescent cells?

I just spent $200,000 getting a transitional laboratory to develop a test for me that lets me measure the senescent cell load, the CD8, uh, TEMRs in your blood, to tell me what percentage of your, of your immune system has now become senescent. Okay, um, and so yes, I've had mine measured. I have all my doctors are getting it measured. I have 10 physicians who work for me, um, and we are just starting this week measuring patients. Uh, so yes, we can now measure the senescent cell load, then we can treat you and measure you again to see where it is, treat you some more, measure it again, and Move down. I'm basically 79. I currently carry a senescent cell load of a man in his mid-50s. My target is 20s.

So I have 2 questions based on what you just said. When you were— I mean, you couldn't measure this when you were 50, but you obviously feel better and are way healthier than when you were 50. Do you speculate at all what your levels were when you were 50? Because they were probably more Like a 79-year-old.

Yes, they probably were.

You flip-flopped.

The things that cause senescent cell load are body fat. The fatter you are, the faster you accumulate them. A sedentary lifestyle. The less muscle mass you got. This, this, um, progressive age-related decline in muscle mass is putting us at higher and higher rates of accumulation as we age. Sure.

And are there— my second question is, are there any downsides or risks to the protocols that you're doing with your clients and your doctors?

I have 4 rules of medicine that I beat into all my doctors. First rule of medicine: anything strong enough to help is strong enough to hurt. There is a downside to every decision we make in medicine. Your doctor's job is not to give you things that have no risks. They don't exist. All right, your doctor's job is to try and give you as many benefits balanced against the lowest risks practical, and that's practical. Second rule, the proper dose of anything is just enough to do the job. Third rule, if you don't measure, you don't know, which is why I've spent so much money developing a test that will let me measure. Okay. And the 4th rule is the one I hate. You can do everything right, things can still go to hell. As physicians—

That's true, I think, for life, not just medicine. It is.

But as physicians, we bump up against that too often. You know, you're following the protocols, you're doing it all right, and things still go wrong.

Yeah.

What are you gonna do? So yes, the medicines we use have side effects. Uh, so the dasatinib and quercetin— I've got several hundred people that have been put on that combination, and I probably got 30 of them that simply do not tolerate the drug. Just don't. They get blinding headaches, or they're so fatigued they can't get out of bed the next day. Or they got vomiting and diarrhea.

Is this a Herx reaction or a drug reaction or both?

Uh, I think it's a drug reaction. Um, so I'm interested in a different polyphenol from the quercetin, which is called fisetin. And fisetin in high doses— and I mean really high doses, 100 milligrams per kilogram of body mass on a mouse, um, does a great job of reducing their senescent cell load. The proper dose for humans has not yet been elucidated. And so one of my projects for the next several months is, uh, I want to take my people that wanted dasatinib but didn't tolerate it, and I want to put them on high doses of quercetin for variable periods of time and then measure their senescent cell load before and after. Because if an over-the-counter polyphenol that doesn't require a prescription, because we, we really know of no serious side effects that it has yet, um, that would be preferable to using a cancer drug. But we don't know how well it works in people yet. We know it works really well in mice, but mice are tougher than us. It's hard to kill a rat. People, we're pretty fragile in comparison.

Do you ever ramp the dasatinib up? Do you start, do you start at the 100, or do you start a lower dose and then ramp them up?

It depends. Um, I usually in the beginning I started exactly with the, the Mayo Clinic protocol, 100 milligrams for 3 days each week for 3 weeks, along with 1,200 of quercetin the same night. Um, and then if people did not tolerate that, I dropped it to 50 milligrams. But then I would do it for 5 days instead of 3 days with a lower dose, and more people tolerated that. But some people tolerate none at all. They simply have a strong reaction to the drug.

You looked like you had a question before.

I was gonna— one, I'm very curious. We have one. I was gonna move on to kind of hormone balancing and Testosterone and injections. So I don't know if we're done with this subject yet.

Uh, well, I guess my next question is, is the senescent cell test widely available, or is it only in your clinic?

Right now I have the only clinic in the country that can do the test. Um, I would love to make it widely available, but Right now, it is classed as an experimental in-house protocol. I am talking to the regulatory folks. And if we get enough experience with it, let me try it on 600 or 800 people over the course of the next year or 2 and get it refined and then come up with a normative value. I mean, the most important value we've got right now is What are people's senescent cell load when they come into the clinic and get their first test before therapy at different ages?

Correct.

Because there is no international really standard for that. You know, everybody that's done this sort of research, it's been done in different countries, in different laboratories with different reagents and different equipment. And so the scatter plot for the normative values are all over the map. And so by doing it consistently in one lab, one set of equipment, one set of reagents, you know, I should get a much better normative value for older people. And I'm also running it on much of my support staff, my, you know, young people in their 20s and 30s at the front desk. And I also have a little, uh, uh, Beauty department, you know, where they, they do Botox and laser therapies and so on. Those ladies are in their 20s. So I'm, I'm measuring every young person I can along with our older patients to try to develop a better curve so we know what normal is and we know where— what we're shooting for long term. Good.

Okay, now I'm good.

All right, we can go to hormone balance. All right, so hormone balance. I know one of your questions is, can testosterone injections backfire? That's a very interesting question for me because we do a decent amount of those.

Yeah.

And are we talking men, women, or both?

Mostly we do mostly men.

Oh, we do both.

We give women testosterone, but it's usually not necessarily injection. We'll give it in their cream or Things like that.

Yeah, we, we use transdermal for both men and women for a vast majority of the time.

Okay.

We've got a few guys that want the injections. The injections, I— are not my favorite because you usually end up with this high peak level, and then over the next week or two it declines and declines, and I get this seesaw too high to too low. Um, with a transdermal cream, you know, by adjusting the amount of hormone in the cream, the amount of cream applied, The amount of surface area is applied to, and which surface area— thin vascular skin versus thick poorly vascularized skin. You have almost infinite ability to adjust your blood levels. So we try to do a peak draw about 2 hours after application of the cream, and then we can raise and lower doses quickly and easily. Uh, So we're, we're not kind of stuck to 3 or 4 months with the pellets or a couple of weeks with the shots. You know, if someone calls us and they've got an issue, we can adjust it right like that.

So awesome.

By the way, you asked about women. If you haven't read it yet, look up, um, Glazier In Ohio, Christine Glaser, and Dr. Donovitz out of Atlanta. Between them, they've got 2,700, 2,800 women that have been on testosterone supplementation for 15 years.

Wow.

And the women that have consistently used their testosterone— and they, by the way, use pellets, they get a higher dose than I normally carry women But they cut their breast cancer incidence by 85%.

Wow.

Which I think is just fabulous. Yeah. So we don't carry our women with that much testosterone. We try to keep them closer to a 25 to 30-year-old woman level. But even there, we have very rare cases of breast cancer in our clinic.

Do women get road ragey when you get them to the 25-year-old level?

I'm just curious.

No, they get husband agey. That's right.

You know, I think I look at what they did when they were young, women and men. You know, mostly the wives were worried, well, if you raise his testosterone, is he gonna become a raging beast or something? And I say, look, if your husband at 25 was a well-socialized, nice guy, he will still be a well-socialized, nice guy when I put him back to that level. If he was an antisocial bar fighter, you know, son of a bitch, I don't want to put him back there. I'll raise it from where he is at 60, but we're going to take it up very slowly. And you, Mrs., are responsible for telling me when it's enough.

Okay.

Yeah. With women, I have a little different test. When you were a— the week or 10 days before your menstrual period, were you a sweet and loving woman, or were you a PMSing bitch?

Because— please tell me you don't say that to them.

I asked her husband, was she or wasn't she? But that's not— the reality is that one of the problems with menopause is it is a long-term version of your PMS situation. You know, it was that profound drop in progesterone Progesterone makes you mellow and relaxed, and you know, you go with the flow with high progesterone. When you drop that progesterone rapidly, that's when PMS happens. Okay, and you've got the same effect at menopause. You've only dropped your estrogen about 50% when your period stops, but you've dropped your progesterone by 65 to 70% and your testosterone by 80%. Okay. And so it's that, that profound drop in progesterone that results in the menstruation stopping. And so if you did not handle low progesterone in your youth, you're probably gonna have a lot more PMS symptoms during menopause. And women that did well with their cycle in their youth tend to just go right through menopause with no problem at all. But the reason for asking that is those women, we never let their progesterone drop that low. We keep them a peak, a valley, but the valley doesn't go low enough to get the mood swings. So even in their 50s and 60s and 70s, we maintain enough progesterone level to keep them mellow and relaxed and content with life.

All right, this is fascinating. Thank you.

Awesome.

I think this is probably where we need to cut it just from the listen length. But this has been— I love the senescent cell conversation and all about how do you age well. So that's really well done. So on behalf of me and Ed and all the listeners, Jared, let me say thank you for joining us for this episode of the Feel Freaking Amazing podcast. Can you please tell people how to find you? We'll put it in the show notes. And I see you have a book behind you. So anything you want to say, we'll put it in the show notes. All right.

Well, there is a book.

Okay.

And hang on one second. Let me pull it back over here. All right. That is this one. Can you get it up? Yeah.

Okay.

And so it says Lifelong.

Okay.

Stronger, faster, leaner, smarter, sexier at any age. Okay, um, if they want to get to our website, it's lmclinic.com. So that stands for longevitymedicalclinic.com. lmclinic.com. I got a lot of videos, uh, I do a 4-hour radio show. We video those so you can actually, you know, watch it, stream it anytime you want to.

Beautiful.

Amazing. Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Thank you for your service, and thank you for the work you're doing.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you, folks. Appreciate it. Bye-bye.