A Reason to Smile with Guest Dr. Adepeju Igun, DDS

When I had kids, I was surprised to know how early they really do go into the dentist. Like when I had my first daughter, they were like, she's got to go like right now. And I was like, she has one tooth. Like, what do you mean?

Well, I had a friend of mine had said she was really, not really happy, but she was relieved, I guess is a good way to put it, when people wore masks. She's very self-conscious. About their teeth. And as people have gotten less mask wearing these days, right, she still wears one.

And they didn't know they had it. And I'm like, we need to fix this. Like, you need to know what's going on in your body, just like you would for like a medical issue. Like, you wouldn't have a medical surgery and be like, what did he do? Like, you're going to know all the details. And because you want to know and it's your health. So I love, love, love educating patients.

We're Erika Radis and Marie Lifschultz, a San Antonio area realtor and lender. But most importantly, we're working moms.

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Welcome to this week's episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio podcast. Today we have a guest who is a working mom and also a dentist that owns and runs her own practice. So I'm going to turn it over to her and let her introduce herself.

Hi, I'm Dr. Adepeju Igun, but my friends and outside of the office, I just go by the name Buki. Just shortened for my middle name. Um, so yeah, thank you for having me.

Well, thank you for coming. I love your name, it's beautiful.

Thank you. Most people get frightened when they see it, so thank you.

So Boogie, tell us a little bit about running— tell us a little bit about your— the story behind your office. Like, I know you recently opened, you had told me, and kind of tell your story about that.

Um, so my husband is a physician here in the Alamo Ranch community, and he opened his office in 2015. And, you know, I was pregnant with my second— like, I had her the week he opened.

Oh wow.

I was not going to open an office, and so, um, that wasn't on my mind. And then in 2021, um, we converted half of his office, um, into a dental office, and I opened it in May 2021. So we are a medical dental office.

And what kind of— I guess, what kind of clients do you have? Is it just adults? Do you do pediatric stuff?

So I see all ages. I see pediatrics also. As soon as they get their first tooth, I will see them. My favorite patients are 6 to 12 month olds because they're so cute and they actually open up for me. Yeah, because they're teething. Um, so yeah, I see as soon as the first tooth comes in. As far as treatment, I would refer to a pediatric dentist if they need a lot of treatment. Um, pediatric dentistry is, is tough in terms of behavior. The actual dental work is not hard, but, uh, it takes a lot of skill and energy. And I, I, uh, I— my first job was actually heavily pediatrics, but I was like, ooh, I I think I just want to focus on adults, but I love seeing kids for preventive care and educating parents on how to take care of their teeth, educating the kids, um, and how to take care of their teeth. So 10 and up, I usually do treatment. It's like one or two things, I'm not going to refer them because that's just frustrating, probably for the pediatric dentist. Um, but yeah, so I, I see all ages.

Yeah, I was surprised when I had kids. I was surprised to know how early they really do go into the dentist. Like when I had my first daughter, they were like, she's got to go like right now. And I was like, she has one tooth. Like, what do you mean?

Yeah. And, you know, a lot of people get confused by that because they're like, well, they don't even do anything. They just brush their teeth. And I'm like, okay, so the appointment is really for the parents, right? They tell you like, so this is what you should do and this is what you should expect. This is what is going to happen. Um, so, and it's also to get kids, you know, comfortable in the dental office so that by age, yeah, you know, 3, 4, or 5, they'll actually let us take x-rays on them. They're used to the environment and what we're doing, you know, the suction tip we call Mr. Thirsty, all this stuff, so that they're— it's not like they come in at 5 and like, what are you doing? What is that? And freaking out.

Oh, that's true. Yeah, and I never thought about that way, like making sure they get comfortable and it's not something strange to them.

Right, exactly. So they're used to the environment and, you know, it's kind of a little bit more smooth sailing for most kids. Some kids just will always be anxious and, you know, that's okay. Um, but yeah, that, that's kind of why we want to see them early on, both for the parents.

Yeah, well, I agree, Erika. I don't, I don't think I, I knew, becoming a, a new mom 15 years ago, that they would see them so early. I had no idea. And so I think it was my pediatrician said, hey, you should start taking them to— you should get a pediatric dentist or something, start having their teeth cleaned and so forth.

Yeah, no, it's awesome. I mean, I've seen as young as 2-year-olds that have a lot of decay. That's usually in lower socioeconomic status. And it's kind of sad. It's just because no one told them or they didn't know what to do. I've had moms that are like, I just wipe their teeth with water. And I'm like, No, no, you can use toothpaste. Like, just, you can do this, it's fine. Yeah, you just don't know. So that's why it's good for the parent as much as the kid, um, to come in early.

Well, knowing how you can help, help them and teach them, you know, brushing their teeth and the right way to do it, because a lot of times I always have trouble getting to the, the back.

I, I, um, have my— so my youngest is 2, and, um, I think I think she has a little bit of a gag reflex like none of my other kids did. And I'm like, what is happening? So like, whenever I go to the back on her, it's kind of tough. And you know, 2-year-olds, they don't want to stay still. It's like wrestling an alligator. And I'm just like, I'm not hurting you, just let me brush your teeth. So I just tell parents, as soon as if they're upset and they're like, ah, that is perfect. Just go straight to the back teeth and just brush, brush, brush, brush, brush while they're yelling at you., and then you can work up to the front. So just, you know, try and go back there as fast as you can. It doesn't have to be the full 2 minutes we recommend, you know, to adults. Obviously, we're just trying to get something on their teeth at that age. So yeah, there's little—

my youngest did the same thing. He, um, has a— he still does, he's 13 now, but he has always had a gag reflex. Like, it was— I was embarrassed actually taking him because my oldest one, he did fine, didn't mind brushing teeth, but brushing his teeth, he you know, do that bit. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, they owe texture. So when he got older and they started putting— they try to do the fluoride, um, pasty stuff, I don't know what it's called, but they would. And he's like, oh, that was just a nightmare, because he would just make— I think the texture of it on his teeth just really bothered. He's gotten a whole lot, a whole lot better.

Oh, good, good. Yeah, poor thing. I do feel bad for my patients that are gaggers. Some offices carry like a numbing spray that you spray on the tongue, kind of decrease the, the reflex, or the— not the reflex, the sensation of whatever is setting it off. Some patients, it's like a certain spot, like it might be their tongue, it might be their cheek. So I kind of have to like figure it out and avoid that area or work around it. And of course, they're the ones that always need treatment on the back tooth, and I'm like, why? Oh, so, um, and And then another trick I found out later in my career is salt on the back of their tongue, and apparently this helps. I've tried it on a few patients and it decreases the sensation a little bit also. So we try all sorts of things, but gaggers are just— yeah, they're just— they have a hard time with the dentist.

They're special. Yes, it's getting better. They're getting better, but thankfully he didn't— he I'm very blessed that he doesn't like a lot of sweets, so good with no cavities. No, nothing. I mean, he's always done really well. But yeah, he is like every time, Erin, really?

Like, oh God, I know they just can't help it. It's, it's sad.

I recently took him very recently to see the dentist and they were going to do sealant and he's like, they're going to do what? What, Mom? Like, deep breath, deep breath through your nose, breathe through your nose. His mouth was going to be open a little bit longer.

And oh man. Just let you know, it's stressful for us also. Yeah, we just try not to show it.

Yeah, I'm sure that's true. Emma had that sealant done sort of recently, but she liked it because she said it tastes like pickle. It was like, okay, kid, whatever works, you know.

How old is she? How old is she? She's 11. Oh gosh, kids are so fun. And this is why I'm like, pediatric dentists have the funnest times because they have the funniest patients and they just— they do— the kids say, like, some kids, the fluoride varnish you're talking about, just, yeah, love the taste, and others are like, oh, it tastes so gross. And I'm like, I don't know what you want. But that's so funny. I'll have to look at that.

So what does a typical workday look like for you? Are you seeing patients all day?

Yeah, so we open at 9 and close at 5. So we try and, um, we can see patients as late as 4 o'clock depending on what they need. If it's a new patient, we try and give an hour and a half block so we can really focus on you and everything you need. So usually those start around 3:30, and I try and get out there by 5, but it just It does not happen because I'm the owner, so there's always something at the end, and then I'm like rushing out the door to go pick up the kids and everything like that. But, um, yeah, it's 9 to 5 Tuesday through Thursdays is when we see patients, and then Mondays and Fridays, uh, we're not actively seeing patients because we're still kind of growing. Um, so we haven't filled in the whole week yet, and then Fridays is 9 to 12.

Okay. Yeah. And what kinds of procedures are you— is it just like preventative care? Do you guys do any cosmetic stuff at the office?

Yeah, I mean, we do everything. So, um, you know, we do fillings, crowns, bridges. I restore implant crowns. Um, I don't place the implant, but I have a specialist that does. Um, I do extractions, you know, taking teeth out. Um, preventative care. As far as cosmetic, we do, you know, veneers. I only use tooth-colored fillings. Um, and then there's this new treatment that I've implemented, it's called Icon, um, resin infiltration. So it's basically if you're born with like these— you know how some people have like really white or brown spots? So there's a way that we can remove that without drilling on anything. So it's just some stuff that we put on your teeth, leave it on there, rinse it off, dry, all the things we do. And then by the end of the session, it's either severe, drastically decreased, or it's gone. I did it on a patient and she like cried. I didn't know how much that meant to her, but I guess she was like, it's always bothered me. And I was like, okay, well, we can try it. And it worked. And she was like emotional. And I was like, oh, I did it.

This is great.

Yeah, and I didn't need to numb her or use a handpiece or anything like that. So, and of course we do teeth whitening, um, in-office and take-home. Um, so I always have a special going on that if you see the ad and you mention it and you're a new patient, you get like a free whitening, um, syringe, um, with a customized bleaching tray that we make for you. But you have to see the ad, so not everyone knows about it. And they're like, I saw your ad on Facebook, and I'm like, okay, then you get, you know, There you go.

Yeah, yeah, that's good. Well, that's a lot. I mean, being— obviously you have young children and opening your practice, so can you share some of the, the, the challenges of having your own business and running your office and having small children? Can you— oh, any—

just chaos.

You talk about like trying to leave on time, right, to go get them since you're the owner.

Yeah, it's just, it's a different level of— it's like running two homes. Ah, yeah, it's exactly like running two homes. So, you know, I get the groceries for home, I have to order the surprise supplies for my office, um, so I always have to know what inventory is going on. Luckily my staff helps with that. I have to manage my kids at home and I have to manage patients and staff at my office. And so it's, it's very difficult because, you know, as moms We tend to take on a lot and try and do a lot. And so I have to teach myself to delegate more at the office, which I don't do as much at home. But at the office, you try and do that. But yeah, it's tough. I'm up early getting lunch for my kids. They're out the door. Then it's a matter of me getting ready taking my youngest to daycare, rushing to work, and then you do work, work, work, work, work, which dentistry is very physical. Um, if you come see me, you'll see me stretching, by the way. Like, I'm always going like this, so it's very physical. And then, you know, sometimes the day doesn't go smoothly. You have a gagging patient, you're going to move slower. If you have a patient that has a dental phobia, you can't work as fast. Um, or they have a small mouth And, you know, there's saliva all over the place, you know. And so everything, you know, is a little slower. Start thinking, oh God, I'm running late. And then you're thinking about how am I going to get kids on time. And so it's, it's a lot of to balance, you know. And then you get home and you snap back, you know, into mommy phase. Dinner, homework, bedtime. And it's, it's pretty exhausting because whenever you're an employee, you don't have to worry as much about, you know, the things in the back end. But now I, I, I sometimes take that home with me because I have to. So I'm like working from home, and, and so it's, it's a lot. It's a lot to balance and a lot to think of. And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, I don't want to make any decisions. Can you just— can someone else say, please, for me? Yeah, yeah.

Even when you get home, sometimes it's like, I don't even like I know we all have to eat and like we all have to have dinner. I don't want to cook. I don't even want to decide that stuff. If I haven't already decided, if I haven't taken something out to make for dinner, like either we're ordering or we're not eating because I don't know what we're doing.

I know, y'all don't want to see how we eat in this house. It is not good. And like even the whole picturesque sit-down dinner time, like that's not happening. My fourth grader is doing homework and eating, you know, my middle kid is always doing something and eating, right?

Yeah, our house is very much the same.

Yeah, I'm just like, dude, I want to sit down as a family and eat dinner, but it's just not happening. Sometimes my husband and I eat after the kids are in bed. It's just like, okay, what is chicken nuggets and mac and cheese? That's 30 minutes, let's do that. Y'all eat, bedtime. And then my husband and I are like, what are we eating?

Yeah, a bowl of cereal.

Yeah, I like a bowl of cereal. Or sometimes, you know, by some miraculousness, I'm able to feed everyone, and then I don't eat. Like, I'm just busy doing stuff. Um, so yeah, it's, it's, it's chaos. And adding the third kid, like, exponentially added chaos. I didn't know how, how crazy it would be.

I have 3 kids, and I always say, like, 3 is like having 30. I mean, there's like, for whatever reason, I don't know if it's like when they outnumber you and your spouse or what it is, but like, that third kid, and in our house that third kid is like a feral animal. Like, she's so wild. I mean, I love her. She's the funniest and she is so awesome, but she is wild. And so it's like, I think that if she— like, this was like the universe or something, like, working it out this way, because if she would have been the first one, that would have been it.

No more. One and done.

Yeah, that would have been it. So yeah, we got that one laugh, luckily.

And that's how this—

Well, to give you a little hope, a little hope. As they get older, they can do things a little bit more on their own. Yeah, it doesn't get easier, it just gets more manageable.

Yeah, I think for us it was just schedule. Like, you know, when she's supposed to be going to bed, I'm still working on homework. Or when, like, when she was younger, you know, the older ones have energy to get out, but it's nap time. Like, she gets 2, 3 naps. And then it was just— schedule was just weird. And I'm just like, I don't know how to manage this. And, you know, and, um, because my kids are 9, 7, and then she's, you know, 2. So it's like this 5-year difference.

Yeah.

So I wasn't used to, to that because the other ones were like 2 years apart. So a lot of the things was happening together at the same time or similar, but they're like in different phases now. And I was like, this is chaos. But I think the third kid is just— no one's like raising them. They're just like— that's why they're just like all over.

Oh, that's funny.

I mean, because, you know, the middle kid— I mean, the first kid you're so focused on, and they're usually kind of—

yeah, right?

Yeah. And then the, the middle kid is just, you know, I've heard they're quirky and weird, which mine kind of is. She's kind of quirky and just does her own thing. And then child is too—

she would be happy to just be left alone to do her own thing and not really be bothered by anyone. That would be like an ideal situation for her.

Well, my middle kid is very— and I don't know if it's getting worse— like, she is very clingy. Like, she'll just hold on to— like, you know how they say moms are touched out by the end of the day? Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. And I didn't get that until recently. She's always like, you know, wants someone with her. But sometimes you're right, she's just by herself and I'm like, where's Hannah? You know, doing something. And then the third one, I don't know how many times I've been like, hey, where's Leia? Like, I did not— where is she? She's off, you know, playing with her sisters or, you know, watching Cocomelon, which she's obsessed with. And so Yeah, it's, it's, it's fun though. It's, it's like chaotic but fun at the same time. Yeah.

So, well, so I have 3, but they're, they're much older. So I have a bonus child. My very first was, is my stepson, and he's 19 now. And then I have Tyler, who is 15, and then I have Aaron, who's 13 now. The 2, they're 18 months apart, so it was crazy, but I liked having the craziness together because they were in similar stages. Whereas my older one, there's a there's a gap, right?

Yeah.

And it was— yeah, it's, it's, it's a struggle to keep them all on the same page. But as they get older, you're just in different places because they're all— they're now— we're just an Uber to them. We just take them everywhere and we're trying to get to every game on time and whatever else is going on.

Oh, that's the thing, like, so my kids aren't in activities yet, which is another mom guilt because I'm like I don't know, where's the time? Like, you know, I'm trying to rush out of work at 5 and I'm like, where do I fit in activities? I don't understand how other moms do it.

But we don't either.

We don't either.

Yeah, we did a whole episode about that already that we aired about kids and activities.

I was listening to that.

Yeah, and Marie and I both were just like, how are these people doing this? Like, how are they living their lives? It just seems so chaotic to be working and doing all of those things, right?

And but you own your own business, like you said, it's two households that you're running, it's not just one. And having that on top of having three, and let's say they all have three different interests, so that you're not all in the same sport, and that I'm in the same arts and crafts or whatever it is, right?

Yes. I don't know how, because my middle one's been begging to do gymnastics, and I'm like, I don't know how to get you to to gymnastics at 4:30 on a Thursday. Like, I don't know how that's gonna work, kid, you know? So it's kind of, it's kind of hard. And then you feel like guilty, like, wow, should I be exposing them to more? And all this stuff. But, uh, they seem fine so far.

They'll make it fine. Yeah, we waited a little bit older with the boys, trying to do like— we did karate at an early age and we tried to stick with it, but the problem was they changed the time and I couldn't get there between picking them up from school when they started school to the practice. Because if I went to the later one, it was their bedtime. Like, it was either too early or too late. So we ended up— yeah, we ended up hanging out and kind of waiting to get them really involved in kind of seeing what they wanted to do, um, which is mainly sports right now. And it's still a struggle. Like, my, my older one, he really is really into lacrosse. But the practice is from 5:30 to 7:30 in the evening. I'm like, if I go get you from school and get—

we—

by the time we get home and then get you, we're home for 10 minutes, we have to go back. Like, you won't have enough time. So he has to hang out after school. And I said, that's when you have to study. You have to—

okay, that was my question. I was like, when does he do homework?

Okay, he does homework. So he, he has to be disciplined. I'm like, if your grades fall below this, you're out. Like, I have to— you have to be mature enough to sit. So he does. He'll go into the locker room and he'll study between 3:30 and 5:30. And if you're missing an assignment, done. Like, we're not doing this.

I mean, that's fair. I like that. Yeah, I like that. I'll have to read that.

He doesn't get home till 7. Oh, he gets out of 7:30. By the time we get home, it's almost 8. So eating dinner is very late. So a lot of times I'm packing a double lunch so he can eat something, you know, so he's not eating so late in the evening. It doesn't get better with age, but they are more manageable. They can do stuff on their own. Okay, it is. Yeah, so activities do come, it just, it's always a challenge.

Oh, there's just, there's just too much to think of as a mom. There's just too much. Yeah, yeah, it is.

Definitely.

We, um, well, we've talked about some of the struggles, but what is your favorite part about your job? We always like to ask our guests, and I always like to hear the answers.

Well, I mean The best part of being the business owner is that I can set my own schedule a little bit more. So my motivation for opening an office was, you know, schedule. I got tired of asking off for my kids' birthdays or holidays, you know, like Memorial Day. I remember there was one Memorial Day I was like leaving for work and my husband and kids are home and I'm like, this sucks. Like, you know, that's an entire family day gone. So the best part is having control of that. Um, and then the best part of dentistry is really educating my patients. Um, I mean, a lot of people that have had previous dental work and they have no idea like what they had done, or they have like a chronic, um, dental issue that no one explained to them why. And so I kind of love educating patients, and then they have this kind of aha moment where they're like, oh, so that's what's happening. And then they can kind of take ownership, you know, um, and equip themselves with that knowledge. Uh, like my website has a whole section called, um— so my office name is Primway Dental, and then I have a whole section called Primway University where you can just click on a topic and I will explain it to you, like, you know, so you can better understand what is going on in your mouth. Like, I've had patients that are like, I've never had a root canal. I'm like, I'm looking at two on your x-ray. Like, how did you not know this?

Then no, no, then I mean, I guess people don't— when it's a, when it's a topic that you don't understand, you're like, oh, okay, you just assume the doctor knows what they're doing and they go along with it, right?

And so it's like they have this procedure and they didn't know they had it. And I'm like, we need to fix this. Like, you need to know what's going on in your body, just like you would for like a medical issue. Like, you wouldn't have a medical surgery and be like, what did we do? Like, you're gonna know all the details, and because you want to know, and it's your health. So I love, love, love, um, educating patients on that. Um, and also, um, like, patients that have dental phobia, just trying to put them at ease. So like my office is kind of designed— I designed it with moms in mind. Like you should come and, and sleep. Like that's kind of like— I have TVs on the ceiling, we have neck pillows if you want it, blankets, because I wanted it a way that moms are like, oh, this is my time away from my kids.

Yeah, yeah, not a stressful time but a relaxing time. Great idea.

Yeah, and that's kind of how I designed it. Like, you should feel relaxed. And so I also enjoy whenever I hear patients— like, I'm working on them and they're laughing because they're watching a Netflix show, and I'm like, oh, they're totally comfortable. Like, they forgot I'm here, you know? So that is like the best part. And I'm like, yes, working, you know? Like, so they'll associate a positive experience with the dental office and be like, hey, that wasn't "That wasn't too bad, you know, I'll be back." And so now then we have like a continuous care for your oral health. So that's the best part for me.

Well, do you see people that might have, you know, a dental phobia, if they have it as, you know, an adult, sometimes it can, you know, pass down to children where, and it's kind of a generational thing where it keeps going and going and going where, 'cause they don't, not see the importance of, but because of their phobia, they might not be doing the 6-month exams and cleaning and stuff like that on a regular basis.

Yeah. Oh yeah, I see that all the time. A lot of my patients that are 60 and up have a dental phobia from something that happened in the office as a kid. Like, they're like, my dentist was so mean when I was like 5 or 10, and they're just so traumatized by it. And so if they don't bring themselves in, they're not going to bring their kids in, right? And so the kids talk, and, you know, another kid friend might be like, oh, I went to the dentist's office and pulled a tooth, or they did this. And then kids start hearing stuff, but they haven't experienced it themselves because their parents are scared to bring them in. I've had, you know, um, kid patients in the chair, and then the parents are like, you better behave, he's gonna give you a shot.

And I'm like, no, I—

oh, Like, now you're associating, like, you know, something negative with the experience, but that's what they know. So yeah, I definitely see it. And so we're just trying to break, break that, you know. Granted, the dental office is not somewhere where you're like, I just want to go there right now and chill, but I just don't want you to be terrified of it and then worse, pass it on to your kids. And then I have patient parents that are the opposite, that are afraid, but they don't want their kids' teeth to end up like theirs. And so they bring their kids in religiously, and then I'm like, you need to come in, you know, and be in my chair also. So I see both sides.

That was my mom. She didn't want us to have bad teeth, and she focused on us. There's 5 of us growing up. She focused on our teeth and didn't really take care of hers. And what they don't realize is that a lot of infections start as you get, you know, and into your bloodstream. Your teeth are extremely important, right?

Yeah.

And they don't, they don't, they don't realize that until sometimes it's too— yeah.

And it's crazy to say that. I hear that all the time, like my female patients that are in their 40s, they're like, my kids are older now, or, you know, they're at the house and it's my time now. And I'm— it's kind of sad to me that, you know, as moms, we put ourselves last so much. Um, but I get it. I mean, I do it too. So, but I, I hear that a lot, a lot, a lot. Women coming in later on in life and they're like, okay, it's my time to get my teeth fixed. Women are usually the ones that are calling the office for kids and husbands. Yeah, you know, and it's just, you know, so yeah, I, I get that for sure.

I love it. I think, I think people don't realize how much your smiles and how important it is in your self-confidence until they have time to really like, hey, I wish I would have done this 20 years ago. I wish I would have gotten my gap filled, or whatever the case is. Yeah, again, as moms, we always put others first a lot of times and forget to take care of ourselves.

It's true. It's sad to me when a patient comes in and they, they're like, they don't smile, or, you know, they're embarrassed of their teeth. And everyone always thinks they have the worst teeth or mouth, and I'm like, you do not. But, you know, it really does affect their confidence. And, you know, once you fix that front tooth that, you know, they've just been hiding, they're smiling more and their whole demeanor changes. It's pretty remarkable to see.

Well, I had a friend of mine had said, um, she was really— not really happy, but she was relieved, I guess, is a good way to put it. When people wore masks because she's very self-conscious about their teeth. And as people have gotten less mask-wearing these days, right, she still wears one, not because she fears, you know, yeah, she doesn't fear, you know, getting sick. It obviously helps with allergies, that she says. But I think it's also because she's very self-conscious about her teeth. And it's— she's a mom. I'm like, yeah, you can take care of your teeth too.

Like, Yeah, it's sad. It's sad. Yeah, but that's why we're here.

Yeah, definitely.

No, that's great.

And so I guess, can you just let our listeners know how they can reach you if they want to, um, you know, contact you for your services?

Yes, so you can go to my website, www.primwaydental.com, and right on the front page, um, is a button that you can click that says Reserve Appointment. So you can actually schedule online anytime, um, and as you're scheduling, it'll let you know if we're in or out of network, um, so you don't need to worry about that. We see out-of-network patients also, um, and then we, we do the courtesy of, you know, finding information for your insurance. And our phone number, also 210-688-9320, is on there. You can email us, you can text to that number also, and we'll get it. Um, so there's all sorts of ways to find us.

Yeah.

Oh good, that's awesome. And we'll put some of that stuff in the episode also, and that way people can see all of that. But yeah, thank you so much for being a guest on here. This was so fun, and I learned—

I learned it was fun.

It was nice to chat with a fellow working mom about stuff too.

It's nice. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one having these struggles because the dinner time thing, I was really like I feel like I'm doing something wrong. So this actually is good to know it's not just me.

No, absolutely not. It is not just you.

Awesome. It's everyone, and we all manage. And if, if it's pizza one night, it's okay. Yeah, pizza two nights, it's okay.

Yeah, awesome. Well, thank you so much. This was a lot of fun.

Thank you, Boogie. We appreciate you.

Yes, and thank you so much to our listeners for tuning in to this episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio podcast. And we'll just catch you guys next week.

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