Ty discusses whether entrepreneurs should monetize their hobbies or keep them as creative outlets. He shares how he used Final Draft to write scripts during COVID, the role of AI after doing the work yourself, and how hobbies like golf and Madden can lead to unexpected business opportunities.
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Unless you are rich, right. Your hobbies start to take up so much of your time. You start being like, I gotta figure out how to justify this, right? That's what happens. It's not more so like if you are a person who is genuinely like really, really, really like involved and happier with that hobby. And I don't, I think it's really hard. Like having multiple, multiple, multiple hobbies that you're trying to monetize is like building multiple multip the same time. If you are doing a hobby that starts to be able to be valuable, that's just a plus. It's just a plus. It's just a plus. But you can't go. In my opinion, I, I don't think you can go into it being like, like me when I first started golfing, I didn't go into golfing trying to make money. So what ends up happening though with your hobbies is that unless you are rich, right. Your hobbies start to take up so much of your time. You start being like, I gotta figure out how to justify this.
Right?
That's, that's what happens. It's not more so like if you are a person who, who is genuinely like really, really, really like involved and happier with that hobby.
Yeah.
And I don't, I think it's really hard like having multiple, multiple, multiple hobbies that you're trying to monetize. Like building multiple, multiple businesses at the same time.
Right.
I think it's one of those things to your point, like there's going to be things that you just, some things you just can't, like going out and feeding the hungry, feeding the homeless. And that's something that you have turned into a hobby that you're passionate about. That's something that you go and kind of like. And you don't see it as charity work, you don't see it as philanthropy. You see it as a, for you to just really be able to connect with people.
Like trying to figure out how to work.
You gonna go work at a non profit, what you gonna like, you know what I'm saying? It's a whole bunch of things that ends up happening from that perspective. And I think it's the same thing like some people hobbies is to play basketball, right?
Yeah.
You ain't going pro, you're not going pro, you know what I'm saying? So I think it's certain hobbies that's just like you're not gonna be able to monetize. Like some people like to bet on shooting, shooting jump shots and all that type of stuff. But that ain't gonna change your life. You know what I'm saying? It's not like. Like if you was. If your hobby was playing, playing spades or playing 21, right? Yeah, y' all play blackjack all the time with my family. And all of a sudden you beating all your family members and now all of a sudden you in the casino trying to run it up on the blackjack table.
But then it becomes something else though, right?
It's a liability.
It becomes a liability to some degree. Well, listen, this is another episode of FYN with Tyo. That's Ty. Yo, today we are talking about hobbies. Ty, I guess the question is, as a businessman, as an entrepreneur, as someone that has a lot of time spent working, why is a hobby important?
I think that it is a very important mental exercise, right? So me, I like. I love stories. I like telling stories. I like the. I like to climax some stories. So when Covid first happened, I was like, dang, nobody answering the emails. Ain't no money to be made. Dang, it's kind of crazy. It's like nobody answering the emails. So I downloaded Final draft and that's about rice scripts. As a hobby.
As a hobby.
As a hobby, during COVID I downloaded Final Drive and I started writing script. I'm talking about, I got like a hundred page scripts. Jane would be like, what did you do this? I like, bro. During COVID it was like nobody was answering the phone. I literally, I got. Cause I was already in doing my master's program. But right before COVID happened, my march was looking so crazy because I was like super heavy recruiting the two of them. We might go on tour. So I said, you know what, I'm going to take this like this quarter off. I'm gonna start back up in like May, right? But then Covid happened. So literally all of the rest of March and all of April. But I was like, bruh, school gotta start back so I can hurry up and get back in it. So during that like six week period when I couldn't do school, cause I didn't start back up until May. Nobody was answering the phone. Obviously nobody was doing business. Everybody was panicking and I. But I started writing. I started writing TNA and movie scripts from 7 5, teaching myself.
But that was a hobby. You didn't think about it as a secondary business that you were hooked in. I'm gonna sell these scripts and make money on the side.
Well, I mean the thought process of when it first started is like I remember having ideas and like wanting people to just do it for me. And I was just like, man, I just do it myself now. And I didn't really have no, no plan. Like I ain't like, I was doing it because I was gonna go pitch it. Cause some of those scripts I still have and I never really went out and was aggressively trying to like pitch it right. So. But it was a really, really great mental exercise for me because writing this is before I wrote culture plateau. So when people like, man, he's such an arch value. I'm writing trips before we even start writing this book. No, I remember.
So I'm.
I'm writing full fledged TV film.
You sent me one though. The one about the stripper.
Yeah, yeah. Request request.
Yeah. I remember reading it and being like, yo, why does Ty have like a really good script here? It was. I remember he told me about. He's like, I'm gonna send it to you. And I was like, four things, but title, right? Script.
So what is this?
And I read the whole thing. I was kind of like, damn, that. She was like. But I didn't know it came out of you just like looking to express yourself.
Yeah. Cause when you manage artists and you are a. So first of all, I feel like everybody's creative. Yeah. Right. If you are a business person, I feel like you gotta be creative on how you go about your business. If you are a data person, I feel like you gotta be creative. Like if you are purely artiste, you just come from that side of your brain that's focusing on. I just feel like you gotta be. We are creatures. Like I feel like everybody, everybody's creative. And so when you are managing talent, you're gonna have ideas. They're gonna think your ideas is trash. They are, yeah. 1,000%. Then they're gonna think some of your ideas is cool, but still don't wanna do it because they feel like their ideas. Right. So you have to have an outlet to kind of get some of your ideas off to feel like you are serving yourself. Right. Because in music you either have those managers that are strictly. Strictly business. Business managers that know how to business, not bullshit the contract, introduce you to people, right. Then you got creative managers. They don't even want to see no painting. I just want to be in a studio, on set, in the photo shoot, whatever the case might be. Then you got those ones that are like twins, right? When they got taste. But they also can understand contracts, know how to express it to the lawyers. It's not many like that. You know what I'M saying I happen to fall into that bucket because I know a song, I can help them, like put the song together. But I don't know the technicalities of songs. Right. I just know like that it needs structure, you know, I can't really tell you the technicalities of the structure or how it should flow or like what you should be doing. So for me, I feel like everything is a big ass conversation. Right. And so when I used to grow up, my mom used to always call me a liar when I was growing up because I needed. I used to lie all the time when I was young. And so now when I got older, I just like, man, I'm not gonna be lying, right? I'm not gonna be making shit up.
Why?
Why? But when you're like acting like somebody else or, or you know, writing these creative ideas for somebody else that is not actually being themselves, we're talking about artists that like this a Persona. For me, it was very liberating because I'm like, oh man, it might not like my marketing idea. Cool. I got this idea. Cause that script that I was saying, that could have easily been a music video. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when you telling somebody, you pitching somebody a music video, they're like, ah, I don't know about that. Then you turn that into like your own idea and you just don't never know what you might run into or what you might fall into from those different aspects of things.
But it felt good for you to express yourself in that way at a time where you feel like business wasn't really active.
Yeah. Because I had no clue on how I was going to make some money from it. I just felt like it was. For me, it was a personal accomplishment to be able to sit down, really write, you know what I'm saying? That's not with me when it comes to people and the AI. Oh my God. No. I started out and wrote all this shit. So if today I'm gonna use the AI to do it. Because I started out and wrote all of this shit before. So I'm seeing the benefits of being able to utilize it when you have actually done the work and the research and you know what files to use. You know what? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But a lot of people are just trying to skip the line, like a fast track with the fast track. You know what I'm saying now?
Okay, tell me this before we move into hobbies for a final draft. Did you read other scripts to get the template down or did you just jump into it. What did you read?
Players Club. Player Club with my reference format. Yeah. So I had downloaded Playing Club offline and I was looking at the format, I was like, okay, so you gotta do that. Okay, then I gotta move that.
I don't know what that is.
Let me Google that. So literally I would piece I was piecing it together by looking at another script. Structure wise, it's genius.
And it's not genius.
Right.
It's like obvious, right. You should look at something. But you love Players Club. So as a film, right?
Yeah.
So you just took the thing that you like, like and use as a reference to make something of your own, which is, I feel is currently creative.
Yeah.
Or did you always feel like you were a creative manager or did you become more creative working in a creative field?
You know, when you are. What happens from my experience is that when you lean, you really seem to be good with business. And people see you that way. It's hard for them to see you any other way. I think that's just like if an actor want to be an artist. It's hard. It's still hard. You still acting like you're somebody else. That's all musicians are musicians or not. Michael Jackson was not moonwalking and with gloves on.
And he.
Sit down, sitting down, having a conversation with me, you know what I'm saying?
It's hard to imagine the conversation. Once you see a man move.
Right, right, right. It is hard to imagine Beyonce is not, you know, she's not, you know, Cowboy Carter when she's sitting down, talking with her, her parents and like on Sunday dinner, you know what I'm saying? Like, she is the human who is the foundation of this world that was built. So it's like for me, although I understand the references like, oh, man, you an actor. You can't be no artist, Right? No. Musician. Are you a musician? You can't. You, you, you shit. Why you act right? Humans like structure. No matter how much we want to talk about, think about breaking the law, they like to know what the box is, Right. Ah, you in that box. They're in that box over there. Because if you're in that box, I can identify you. Right. And so for me, I've always been around some level of either business men or women or hustlers. I didn't grow up around creative people. Not from my vantage point.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? So I grew up around athletes, hustlers and business owners, you know what I'm saying? I never grew up around creative. So I never even thought about myself as a creative in no dynamic, you know what I'm saying? From that perspective. And that's why when I would have these conversations with artists, I would say, hey, we all creators. I got to create this marketing plan. I gotta create the opportunity to make some money, right? I gotta create, you know, infrastructure so that you can be your best version of whatever art that you're trying to, you know, get out of. Only difference now is if I got an idea and I really believe in it, I can take the chance on betting on. That's what. That's what happens. That is what is happening with me before, you know, when I'm. When I'm sitting down, like. Like, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to be a rapper. You're not going to catch me in the booth trying to rap a song about all different things. But like, anything that's attached to trying to tell a story, I'm probably going to be diving into, you know what I'm saying? That's why when I. When I started writing, I was like, I'm not an author because I'm just writing what already has happened in my life, and it's my life, so I'm not, like, making nothing up. But when I started writing down the different books that I want to put into the world around my knowledge, I'm like, dang, I got to actually be an author because this has nothing to do with my life per se. These are concepts that I've learned along the way that I'm putting in a format to kind of get out of. Get out of the world, you know what I'm saying?
Especially once Ty write down the chapter titles. Like, I know he's about to, like, lock on because they're so clearly, like, there's such a clear, milded idea within the title, and they're always, like, really unique to Ty. Like, you'll never see a chapter title like the ones that's in Culture Playbook. He really is going to come up with a unique title, but it's going to make sense to the chapter. Like, that's something I think you're incredibly good at. I want to swing back to hobbies, but I got one more question. Where do you think ideas come from?
God, yeah. Yep. Yeah. Everybody get the same ideas 1000%. You might not be. I mean, me and you might not be getting the same ideas sitting inside each other, but there's somebody in Africa, they got the same ideas that I might speak about. Oh, Brazil. You know what I'm saying? Everybody get the same ideas. It's funny you asked me that. I was talking to one of our staff members. No, no, no, no, no, it wasn't. I wasn't talking one of my staff members. I was at vocal lessons with a vocal coach named Nick Cooper. I would have met with him because he had just started doing vocal development and artist development for New York la, and he just wanted to talk to me. We were sitting down talking, and he brought a client that he had in that was. I can't remember who the. But the young man come from millennials of incredible artist, incredible voice. And he said, todd, what is some advice that you would give this new artist, Right? And I can't remember all of the advice, right, what the initial thing was, but in the conversation I was telling them, you should never have a creative blah. If you do have a creative block, that means that you're not having enough conversations. That means that you're not having enough interaction with humans. So whenever you have. You don't. You're not having a creative block, you're having a lack of dialogue, right? And I walk them through with this concept. I said, because me, I never had ideas. I have so many ideas is like the fountain of youth of ideas. But you're always talking to people, though. I'm always talking to myself. Like, yeah, when I tell you I never run out of ideas.
Really?
Like, yeah. I feel like it's impossible, but I feel like everybody's like that. Yeah. But if you feel. If you're dealing with depression, if you're dealing with anxiety, you're dealing with, you know, stress, you're dealing with what you think is lack, you're dealing with abuse. If life beating you in the fucking face every day, you know, you got no ideas.
It's a concussion.
Ideas might be on the very, very bottom of the list, right? So me, I like wake up, I'm like, God, family, you know, or more so God, health, family. And then, you know, it's like ideas.
But you feel like that combination just like having that relationship with God, having that relationship with your health, sleeping well keeps you youthful. As far as ideas springing, 1,000%, bro.
Listen, it be coming like, I can't even keep up with it. Promise you like crazy. And now the fact that I have just enough technology that I can create like a pitch deck or I can create like a sample logo that I can show it to a graph for designers, right? Whatever the case may be, a lot of people don't know, like, I drew the first the Culture Playbook cover, and then I dated to a designer and he kind of gave me a whole bunch of ideas. Oh, I like that. So for me, I think that the thought process of it is I'm not trying to be a painter. I'm not trying to be a R B singer. I'm not trying to be a rapper. You know, I'm not trying to be a photographer. I just be wanting to get my ideas out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
You don't care about the title that comes with the idea.
You do. You care about the storytelling. Yeah, that's really what it boils down to. Because I feel like storytelling. I watch all movies. Good, Bad. You could tell me, Ty, I would have seen this movie. It's terrible. Do not waste your time. Go see it. The only film that I said that with anybody that I wish, they follow me was coming to America too. It was terrible. I would have watched it. If I tell you it's terrible, I watch everything that's bad.
Wow.
Good, bad, ugly. I watched because for me, it's all like, ideas. Me watching a terrible movie is like me looking at somebody to fuck up your life and be like, I ain't gonna do that. That's how I look at terrible films. You're so funny.
Did you see Synergies?
Of course I seen Sinners. How did I do? I love Sinners. Yeah, Yeah.
I feel like watching that as an original idea inspires you to get more original ideas out.
Nah, I just think that shit was dope. When they said original idea, I'm like, what? I thought a lot of this shit did original ideas, like toss them like, you know what I'm saying? Well, Freddy Krueger had to be an original idea.
It was, but then it becomes ip, which becomes spin off. Okay, okay. So, you know, the current model that I've heard a lot in Hollywood is that they want IP ideas, which is something that has already been done, that we can recreate and make a sequel. A spin off or some reference to it can be used to get the image that like the idea. Right. Versus an original idea that has no prior audience. They're not as interested in those pitches currently because it feels like we want shift things.
There's a list though. Yes. I like some Risk.
Ty likes Risk. But that's why when you were saying your ideas, these are all original ideas. These aren't based off of things. Since you were like, oh, I want to make Player Club 2.5 or something like, no, I want to have requests, which is my version of what I think stripped of experience is like, I.
Got this black politician TV series that I'm a writer. It's so phrased.
There you go.
You gonna be like, yo, when you be getting this, you think I'm in. You think, I got them shrooms, boy. But they couldn't put me on those shrooms, boy. I turned the spike here. They don't need no drills. Why you put them shrooms in the. I don't know what kind of ideas I might come out of this fat, but we go off camera, I'm gonna tell you about this politician.
It sounds like storytelling is your hobby.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely. I sit down and I proact. Cause I feel like we're here to leave a mark, right? You leave a mark through knowledge that you learn and pass down. You leave a mark through mediums and platforms you create that can serve people in different ways, through inventions, through solving problems. And then I'm a firm believer in entertainment, laughter, activity. All of those different things is, like, comforting for the soul. You know what I'm saying? And so when we sit down, we start talking about hobbies, we start talking about, you know, what you would say, Rituals, things that the family do every year, or you and your friends get together and do every year. To me, I think it. I think it really balances out life, you know what I'm saying?
I think it's interesting. When I started writing in 2011, I also would be invited to concerts. So I bought a camera. It was like a little camera, kind of throw it on the street for effing money. And I started taking pictures. I started to get hired for photo shoots because people would just see the camera around my neck going, yo, yo, yo, can you. Can you take pictures? Pictures? I'm starting to get all of these opportunities to shoot. Well. I started to make more money doing photography than I was making money writing, right? But I'm trying to be right.
Like, that was not a hobby, but.
It was supposed to kind of be. I won't shoot live shows, so my articles would have pictures of the artists at the. You know, at the events. Before I know it, I'm doing graduation pictures.
I'm doing barnesvas.
And I'm just like, yo, for up this year, I'll just. And people like the pictures. So then I would get referrals, and I started doing other events, and I started to feel like, why am I taking so many pictures? It stopped being fun, right? Like, it was fun at first. Before I knew it, I Had four shoes a week, couldn't write. I was just like, yo, I gotta writing. Kind of took off. People call my hair, shoot them and I'm not shooting. I felt like I could transition out of it, but now I kind of miss it. I kind of miss it because I didn't. Rick. I didn't realize how much of a. Like, it was just another like, problem solving or like a creative exercise where you would show up and figure out how to shoot at your settings, all these things. But I didn't see it as a hobby because of how quickly it became like. I wouldn't say it was a business, but it was opportunity to make money doing something that should have just been a hobby.
Right, right, right.
Do you feel like as a creative person, somebody just was like a tie.
All of a sudden?
They hiring to write scripts? Would you be interested in turning that?
No. You wouldn't? I wouldn't be interested in anybody hiring me to write scripts.
Why not?
Because for me, when I sit down and I like, oh, I got this idea, I want to write the script. For me, it's more so about the ip, right? Because let's say I decide I'm gonna fund my own movie, there's probably gonna be some writers that come in that's gonna do some rewrites to try to make it as best as possible. Right, Right. What I do ain't gonna be the final.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? I'll be highly surprised if experts sit down and be like, damn, we gotta. Let's do a little touch up. But this is pretty great. Oh, shit. You know what I'm saying?
But I'm not.
I'm not trying to be a. That's why I say I'm not an author. Because I'm not trying to like, identify as that. You know what I'm saying? So, no, I wouldn't take my job. They're trying to hire me to write scripts now. If they want to say, hey, we're working on this film, you know, we need some. We need some music for. Right. Can you help us create the music? Because we don't know the business around it. Right. I'll be like, yeah, I'm down with that. Because I can get a producer credit for contributing and helping build out the music. Right. If they're like, hey, we got this film, we got distribution through Hulu, we need a little bit more capital. Would you mind investing? Oh, yes, that's great. I don't mind investing with her. Right. I will probably maybe be open to Participating in it from, like, them using my likeliness before I'm like, oh, I'll be in the writing room and help me with some writing. Yeah. Nah. No, but you can write. I think that is where the line gets drawn, where the hobby and the storytelling is, where I'm just here getting the ideas out that I think is cool. And I might just. I might fund one film myself. Just something that I really believe in. 1. Because I don't like not being able to execute an idea at least once. But then it gives me another way to serve people, because I know there's aspiring directors, aspiring actors, established actors who have a shortage of work. Like, you know, I'm super inspired by, like, Tyler. Tyler Perry. Right. Obviously, I ain't finna be in boy no dress. That's Tyler Perry style out there. And I'm not doing no plays and all that type of stuff, even though I will invest into the white Broadway play. But I'm inspired because he took unknown. Unknown actors and older actors who probably had lost a little. That sauce.
Yeah.
And reintroduced them in different ways in different parts. And I felt like that was super cool. And he was taking a lot of risk on people, and it paid out for him in a really big way. So for me, I could probably say if it wasn't as many people around me that was really interested in TV and film, I probably wouldn't take too much of a liking to put my money into it. I probably will be like, just keep writing these scripts and get my ideas out. But I see so many people that I know that might struggle with getting a full script for whatever reason, because they might just be a perfectionist. See, I'm not a perfectionist. That's another reason why these ideas be.
You care about quality, though.
I care about taste and quality. Yes. That ain't got nothing to do with being a professionalist. That's true. Not the dreams. Perfectionist. Yeah. And then you're gonna never hear that shit that he working on.
But you. You feel like, I want to get it done, move to the next day.
Yeah. There's a quality that I think that I should be hitting that I want to be like, that's fire. And then keep it moving. But I'm not fitting to just spend too much time on something trying to make you live right. Every little Nicky. No.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
Okay. Okay. I was at a Pitch Master event that Trillin Studios threw.
Okay.
They let five aspiring TV script writers pitch five ideas that they have that could be, you know, TV shows To, like, three guest hosts who all work in TV info. I thought it was interesting because a lot of the advice they were giving people was make it yourself.
Make the film, make it yourself.
Right? Like, build the cap, they said, don't spend your life savings, but try to, like, raise the money. Build the following. Create the audience for it. Hollywood's gonna come to you.
Yep.
If you do it that way, it's just interesting to hear. Time be. So I would work in the writer's room, but I won't invent my idea because, I mean, I feel like that would just bring the jobs to you 1000% and be like, hey, I saw your film. I would love for you. So. Right.
So this is the thought process around business, and it does relate to hobbies, because your hobbies are people can be surprisingly good at hobbies. You might. Dang, I didn't even know that person. That good at that. They've been spending years doing it, right? Well, nobody knows. And business is the same thing where you. You'll look up and be like, man, I didn't realize that person was that shocked. And you look up and they've been doing that level of business or that type of business for that long. One thing that I've learned about film that's not necessarily the same with music is that if you're in that world, right, and you are savvy enough to raise the money, shoot the film, get the right talent in it, and it's, like, decent. It don't end up being incredible, you increases your chances of opening that door by, like, 65%. Right? Now, is that a surefire shot that you just gonna get it done? No. But if you are aligning yourself with the right people that work in the business and you really do something really dope, you can take it to the film festivals, you can do a lot of different things when it's made. And I just am in a place now where I'm like, yo, we just gotta start making shit. Make some. We'll take some big, big bets, but then you gotta start making shit. Cause for me, it's about opening up the doors and the opportunities so that, you know, we can continue with this conversation about funky money, right? Because outside of funky money being like this ignorant conversation about wellness on, like, your finances, your mind, your health, it is about being a representation of what you're talking about, right? So if somebody's like, yo, man, how do I get it? How do I book in the TV and fit? And if I got an opportunity at tnf, yeah, I'm gonna tell them how I went about doing it. Like, I literally just got an opportunity to do the music for a documentary that's gonna be on one of the streaming platforms just because of my knowledge in music, right? I got an opportunity to invest into Othello just because of me doing the wellness retreats with women. Just me looking for sponsorships for the wellness retreats led to me meeting a woman who said, hey, I. Like, I should do it. You should think about these things that I'm doing. You can jump in. I'm like, oh, wow. So me creating this world to help service women. There are high level executives that need to relax, need to get a recap and retreat, right? This is, this would be the fourth year that I'm working on getting that done. But the three years before, me now be like, man, I gotta try to find some sponsor. They gotta find people that can handle the sponsorship. Literally led to me having the opportunity to invest to a hotel level. So I am the definition of like, bro. If you service people and you're serious about it, you just keep working, you keep servicing, you keep just chipping away at it. These opportunities will come to you. You know what I'm saying? And so when I'm thinking about hobbies, when I'm thinking about these different opportunities, when I'm thinking about your creativity, when I'm thinking about, you know, f you money, I'm like, it's about just taking the step one step at a time. You know what I'm saying? One step at a time. And that's really what makes. Makes hobby so incredible. Because you're not trying to make a lot of money off of, you know, you're just trying to, you know, I like throwing darts, right? You know what I'm saying? And I do that every day after work. I go and I throw darts. I'm just, I'm just making some shit up. Yeah, I know I got a dartboard, but I hadn't do them in a while. But it's just, somebody might just find relaxation in that. So when people come over, you might be like, you want to throw darts? It'd be like, I never threw ducks before. Okay, cool. They start throwing darts and you having a conversation, throwing darts, no different than like shooting pool. Like all of these different things.
You never know what the hobby might introduce you to a person, how that introduction might lead to something that you have no way of battling because you were just doing your hobby. And your hobby opens a door. Now it doesn't have to be you want to monetize the hobby day two or don't want darts and next thing you know you send up four cameras because you want a YouTube channel. But if it happens, it happens. But I do agree with you that like doors open surprisingly if you just find a passion and stick to it.
It's crazy because the thought process with Madden. I just played Madden all the time.
Really? You was a Madden player?
What?
Okay.
Watching it.
Wait, what sister?
PlayStation. PlayStation, yeah, I played PlayStation and so it became something that was a conversation piece, you know Bob Shaw.
Yeah.
Playing mad for some time, I bet. That's right. Yes. And when I would go my recruiting visits in college, going to coming out of high school, it would be Madden. They'd be crowded around, you know what I'm saying? But as I got busier, I just never really, I never could keep up with Madden because it is, it's very similar to golf. Yeah, you look up, you play three games of Madden, that's four hours you online, you playing. The only thing about what keeps you safe from golf, I mean from Madden, that like something like golf where you got to go out and get a play. It's like three hours, three and a half hours. Four hours for around. Is that Madden mad? You look up, it'd be 10 hours pass, you start playing around like 8 o' clock at night after the work, you look up, it's 4:00am you like, whoa, what am I doing? That's real. And so that's why I really can't do the video game. Because I'll be in Grand Theft Auto coma from that perspective, because it ain't no triggers. Like you go out and golf at 4 o', clock, it's gonna get dark by 7:38.
Right.
You can't hit the ball at night. But, but Madden, yeah, ain't no stopping it. That hobby. That's a crazy hype which a lot of people start monetized. Yes, they, they have monetize their game plan.
But I do think this has been a great conversation about hobbies and just like exploring new ideas as an exercise and just not knowing where it might take you.
You know, it is important to have hobbies because it's the one place where you can kind of prioritize yourself. You can do it in a lot of other different ways. Because I look at hobbies as a wellness exercise, you know what I'm saying? Like, like I like fishing, even though I haven't been as fishing as much. But I do take an interest in it and I won't Turn it down. I like the thought process of freely writing. Yeah. Not without. Without. With no restraints. Not with no grammar. Not with no format. Just jumping, just. Just writing stuff down. You might sing something that inspired you. Oh man, that would be dope. Yeah, I put together full blown marketing plans and never presented to the. To people. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just the way that I find myself being healthier the more that I participate in hobbies and have a really good balance on. You know what I'm saying? Because you have significant others. I have my. All my friends will tell you before I started golfing, I be going to topgolf. One time we was in. I think the first time I met Vanessa we worked together was in Vegas after a festival that I hired her for. And man, there was so many people. She was like, where you at? I said, I'm at topgolf. I had. I got the vip. The VIP section at the top Golf in Vegas. Had to had the. And it was just me, Vanessa, like one other person. Yeah, well, I'm just playing topgolf while everybody else at the festival.
I'm gonna leave the music festival to go play topgolf. But why topgolf? Was it something that you were like attracted to because somebody took you? Like, what was it?
I just think that it was an interesting thing because like, golf never looked fun. Topgolf actually looked fun. You know what I'm saying?
I give you that.
You're like, oh man, I can see if I got fast, I can just hit this ball in the hole and then everybody can do it. When you go out and really play golf, oh, you really start to realize like Topgolf is like for the golf PRs. No disrespect, golf positive. That's how easy Topgolf is compared to actual. The fact, the way that they made that game so easy when you actually got to go and play real golf, you'd be like, oh, no.
Way more.
There's way more aspect of it. They made it so fun that it's gotta be some kind of trick they did because the people that I see be hitting the ball crazy. They would never be able to do that golf course, I think because it just make it really fun.
But what made you transition to actual.
Golfing and leaving the top golf pe Alps? I was. That's a good question. I think people that was. I think it was a tribal thing, right? What I mean by tribal thing is I would meet so many successful businessmen who was picking up golf, right. And I Was like, what is with golf that so many successful entrepreneurs are, like, always bringing it up? Right. It's like that game, right? It's like, oh, that's what the deal get made on the golf course and things of that nature. Right. And a lot of that is true, but a lot of it is not right. What. What does happen on the golf course is that you're meeting so many interesting people, and this is why. And I never knew this until I started playing. If I wanted to go putt, putt, I go putt, putt. And then I just sign up and I go, put, putt. They don't put me with nobody. Right. Right. If I want to go to topgolf, they put me in my section. I pay for my session.
Right.
The first time I went golfing by myself, it was in Miami before I started taking lessons. I went down to the building, found a public one I hadn't got. Golf clubs and everything. Can do golf. Played topgolf, got it easy. So I go, I pay for one person. I pull up, they put me with a four piece, with a four player, with three other players, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this? I'm not with these other three people. I ain't that good.
You don't know them at all.
I don't know them at all, and I'm not that good. So what happened was I started to realize, like, oh, shit, that's what they mean by the deals happening on the golf course. Because if you are a person that don't know how to talk to people, and you go out and golf and you only go as yourself, more than likely, you're gonna get paired with somebody and you're gonna have to engage with them.
Right.
And that is how those relationships are made.
Yeah.
Because people are forced to be around each other.
Yeah.
To famous strangers. Damn. I never knew that until I started playing golf.
How was that first experience? Did you feel like y' all Nashed?
Well, bro, first of all, I was like, yo, I ain't that shit. They just don't say that. I was so in my. I'm a pretty confident person. You are. But I was so. It was so My self esteem. I was like, lord Jesus. I was. I was thinking it up, and then it made it worse. One of the niggas was down like a scratched golfer from just playing a golf team for University of Miami. He slapping that bitch. I'm just like, oh, Lord Jesus. Oh, Lord Jesus. I ain't know. No, I. I didn't know nothing. About no mannerisms. No. No golf etiquette. Nothing.
Nothing.
So I'm out this thing. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 strokes on one hole.
God damn.
And then I was like, yeah, I just start picking the ball up. I just. I was in the next hole. Yeah. But, yeah, so. So it was the. The starting of golf was like, man, it must be where, like, the business people really be. Meaning that? Because all the business people keep talking about one night. How do they know? How do they know each other? Like, you just say that it ain't you, and I don't know your resume, but it's because the. The golf clubs and all those.
Yes. But after that, she was like, I'm gonna get me a teacher. I'm gonna learn this thing.
Oh, yeah. Cause I ain't gonna be trash.
Right. I'm surprised. We just.
Yeah.
I love that you went back, though, because some people have been like, I'm not going back.
No, no, no, no. I'm not a quitter.
You're not a quitter?
Yeah. No. And I'm not gonna be embarrassed now if I play them. I'm like, you know, this is the first time that I felt like I played the other day. And when you playing with somebody that really can play good enough. Right. This is usually what happens when you're just starting. They'll hit the ball once, and they probably say they hit the ball for, like, 180 yards. And let's say that the hole is, like, 300 yards or 350. You hit the ball, they didn't go 180. Then next thing you know, the people that are in the unit, like, they might take two, three scrolls right. Before they get caught up to you.
Right.
And the way that the etiquette is with golf has been like, I'm heavily invested as one of my hobbies.
Right, Right.
That the person that's the furthest back always hit first. So if you just think about this, if you tee off and you slap it 180 yards, 200 yards. Right. And then the people that you're golfing with, it takes them two swings to get past 180 yards. Right. You're pretty much at your ball just waiting for them. Right. And so I experienced that the other day.
I was like, you had that?
I was on my phone. You know what I'm saying?
Like, that I might be doing good.
Yeah. I'm starting to figure this thing out.
Do you feel comfortable with golf just being a hobby? Do you imagine that it could potentially be, like, you get good and people Aren't tied up and golf all the time.
Oh. So the whole joke was always, I'm gonna go pro when I'm like 50, 60. Like, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna retire 55, and I'm gonna go pro golfing. That's always been. That's always been the joint jokes. You.
That's a joke that would actually happen to you, though.
Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's still currently just a hobby. You're not. You're not imagining pro.
No, I'm just trying to be good enough so I can actually get a really great score.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, well, when you come to Tiger based, then. And then we will see you at 60.
Yeah, you know, 55.
55. I want to see you at 60. Personally, I think 60.
I might be, you know what I'm saying? Cooking.
You know what I mean? He gonna find out profession.
Okay. Because by the time I'm 60, they're gonna have the virtual golf leagues, mind you. They're gonna have PGA virtual for amateur golfers. Your boy gonna be there. Your boy gonna be there. Virtually.
PGA is. He's in the future, guys. Obviously, he is not into it.
Well, I'm getting assimilated at my house. Definitely. You need to simulate in the house.
That is another episode. We gotta talk about that. But, hey, is that a hobby?
What?
Your interest in AI?
I mean, hey, no, that's infrastructure.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's the next conversation.
Okay. Well, guys, that was another episode of FYM with Ty. Yo. That's when we had Ty. Alan. Yo. Please leave in the comments some of your hobbies and how you discovered those hobbies and why those hobbies have been important for your wellness. And we'll see you guys next time. Peace.
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