What Are You Choosing: World Peace or Good Music?

And we're back with another episode of the FYM Show with Ty and Yo. That's my man Ty. I'm Yo. And this is FYM. FYM, if you don't know, is an ignorant conversation about wellness. You know, wellness can be spread across the spectrum from wellness and work, wellness in your life, wellness in your relationships. So, you know, we try to talk about all things on FYM. Today's episode is kind of special because it is Stevie Wonder's birthday today.

Definitely Stevie Wonder's birthday.

Do you know how old Stevie turned today? Do we got a number on that?

Uh, I don't know.

Oh, you don't know? I'm gonna say young. Stevie, you know what I'm saying? That is a young, young man, you know what I'm saying? Um, Ty, do you have a Stevie Wonder song that is special to you, or do you have a Stevie Wonder album that you would say, man, when I heard that album, it did something for me?

Nah, man, like, Stevie Wonder is one of those type of like artists that you know his music because it's so embedded into culture. And if you're a Stevie Wonder fan, like, you're diving deeper into his discography, but you just know Stevie Wonder because of how iconic his catalog is.

You know, I mean, you got the Happy Birthday song, like, yeah, multiple, multiple.

I mean, he's had, I want to say I think Stevie Wonder had like 40+ number one hit records, bro.

Dang, 40+? Yeah, and I mean, and this pre-streaming too. He was definitely pre-streaming, he's selling the singles.

So as an artist, songwriter, you know what I'm saying, he like— we talk about icon.

Now a couple years ago I was in the studio, and studio conversation would be really interesting. So it started off Would you rather have Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder? If you had to pick one, where you going?

Me?

Yeah, you.

Where you going? Michael or Stevie? Absolutely Michael.

But tell me why Michael.

I think Michael— well, for me, Michael, because one, Michael is just cooler. So let's just start there.

Stevie?

Yeah, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael, bro. The level of confidence as a, as an individual that Michael Jackson had— nah, bro, Michael Jackson way cooler than Stephen Warner, bro. The moonwalk, are you kidding me right now?

That nigga could see, Ty. You gonna tell me a man that can see is cooler than a man that can't see, man?

Listen, talent-wise, unmatched.

I ain't never seen Michael Jackson play the piano blindfolded. Never saw it.

I didn't say that's about talent. I said cool, cool, meaning that growing up, growing up, niggas want to be like Michael Jackson.

That's true. This is true. Well, Stevie seemed extraordinary though. That's the thing. Stevie kind of seemed like he came out of something.

He's one of one. We're talking about true original.

So was Michael. But you couldn't even think about being like Stevie. You couldn't dream about it.

Yeah, because Stevie blind. That doesn't sound messed up, but like—

Nah, it don't sound messed up because that's how extraordinary he is.

No, no, no. When a kid— like, the, the fact of the matter is Stevie Wonder is such a one of one. Nobody's trying to be Stevie Wonder. Yes, people are trying to be Michael Jackson. It can't be Michael Jackson. People don't want to be Stevie Wonder, it can't be Stevie Wonder. Even if they wanted to be Stevie Wonder, they still can't be Stevie Wonder.

I don't disagree. Which leads to the next question that kind of happened in the studio: was Stevie Wonder the last person that could sing about being happy without being corny? That was the conversation that we were speaking on, how happiness at a certain point starts to feel corny. And that Stevie Wonder was somehow able to sing his songs and was never once called corny.

Bro, listen, it is very hard in my opinion for you to call somebody corny who is that exceptional and they can't see, bro. It is, it is. You like what you—

but it's like the subject matter though, Ty. It's not the individual, it's the subject matter, a person can be considered corny. If they remember Pharrell made Happy, folks won't really like all the way going for Happy.

Oh no, man, I don't remember Pharrell being corny just because he made Happy.

You don't remember that hat, bro? You don't remember that hat?

No, that hat went viral.

It was viral, but man, I, I heard whispers.

See, the thing about it is the, like, it's very hard because corny means that nobody wants to do it. Like, like, yeah, like it has the level of like, um, but see, but ain't—

but ain't happiness though in a way? Because like, what's like— is happy cool? Can you be happy and be cool? Yes, you did say Michael was cool. You think so?

Yeah, man, Michael was cool. Pharrell's cool. Stevie Wonder's cool. But when you had to compare them and you got to be like, yo, who's cooler, Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder, bro, that's unfair. It's just like saying who's the best musician, Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder, bro, that's unfair.

Like, no, Michael didn't play all them instruments. No.

So it's like his— like Michael Jackson uniqueness. I just heard a story with Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg got multiple Michael Jackson stories. I don't know if you've seen this recently, but he was like the guy that, that used to own Ed Hardy, the, the clothing line. He used to spend so much money, like bro was running it up, getting so much money. So he used to book these parties, pay hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to book parties. And Snoop Dogg said one year the guy booked him and Michael Jackson for his party. He said that they had trailers together, like they had separate trailers.

Yeah, yeah.

And he said they in the trailer blowing it down, right? And however the trailer was connected, Michael Jackson can like slide open the door and like peek in. He said Michael Jackson slow open the door, was like Hey Snoop! And Snoop, this is Snoop telling the story, bro. Snoop like, Mike, what's up? What's up, Mike? He's like, nothing. He said, he said, he said, he blowing it down. He said, he said, Mike, you want a hit? He's like, no thank you. All right, Snoop. And then he just closed thing and leave, right? Yo, Snoop is hilarious. But you hear about Mike hanging out with the gang members You hear about Mike buying the Beatles catalog, but then as he was a current— like, as he was acquiring catalogs, he had Little Richie's catalog, just gave it back to him with no— like, with no money. Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's a bad—

I don't know, man. Mike, Mike was pretty cool. I ain't gonna flex.

But, but Thriller, Thriller ain't like a happy song though, right? No, ain't a happy song.

That ain't a happy song. The happiest song I can remember Michael Jackson having is that, uh, Remember— yeah, Remember the Time, and, and We Are the World. And that wasn't even about me.

But to your point though, Ty, like we discussed, this, this was a long studio session for the record. We was in there a long time, right? Michael Jackson music ain't got no death in it. Nobody ever dies in a Michael Jackson song. He has no death in his music. Yeah, like no one dies, man.

I think, I think when you think about Michael Jackson, me, I think about unity. Okay, yeah, you know what I'm saying? When I think about Stevie Wonder, I think about exceptional talent, but there's like a warmth to Stevie's music, right?

Like there's a positivity to Stevie's music, like You know what I'm saying?

Musicians that play, especially pianos, that play and sing piano, that's why Alicia Keys' music feels so warm, bro. Like, guitar players like Lenny Kravitz' music don't feel warm because guitar got a different, like electric guitar feels different musically. You know what I'm saying? But pianos is just so warm. That doesn't mean you can't play like Stevie, like Little Richie had a crazy piano or like, Chuck Berry had the pace, but he was rock and roll. But like, yeah, he made warm music as a Black man who wrote about the things that his imagination took him. Think about this, bro. Think about this. This is gonna sound kind of crazy, but like, Stevie Wonder only wrote music imagining the most beautiful things because he never really seen like an ugly woman, right?

He never really seen like a woman though. He ain't never seen the, the opposite though.

But, but our minds naturally gravitate towards beautiful things. It's just, it's a spiritual thing, it's a Christ thing. Like, we don't imagine unless we get taught. We don't imagine the worst case scenario. We When you was growing up as a kid, when you used to dream, you used to think about, you would think about like, oh, it's the most incredible things, right? And I don't know Stevie Wonder personally. I don't know if Stevie Wonder had any like nightmares and that he could see in his, like, I don't know, right? But I do know all the different stories. Like all the different stories about, you know, just Stevie and who Stevie is. And it's like, bro, like, Once you come to the realization and you're comfortable with the fact that you're never going to see again a day in life, I just think life transitions differently for you and what you actually imagine. Why would you want to imagine anything messed up when you already have came to the realization that I can't see? Why, why would you want to see— why would you want to imagine— why would you want to sing music that's not happy?

That's true. I never thought about it like that.

I would want to strive to be the most happiest person in the world if I lose one of my senses.

You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, okay.

That's how, that's how I, that's how I feel. Like, that's why Stevie, outside of him just being exceptional, I just think that that's what he loved to make. But I don't think that it was able to— for all we know, that was his therapy. That was his way to paint the picture. And he didn't want to paint nothing but happy pictures.

I like, I like, I like your perspective, Ty. Ty, I gotta raise the bar a little bit. In the same session, shout out to my man Dahy. We was hanging out with Dahy for a couple days in Santa Monica, and he introduced this question. Would you rather have peace in the world or good music? Me? Yes.

Peace in the world. No brainer.

So you would get rid of all the great songs and all the good music in the world for peace in the world?

Absolutely. What are y'all talking about? This is Christ fight, man. Y'all talking crazy.

I just, I just think that, to your point, all music— you just said great songs, just great songs. Yeah, you still keep the all right joints It's a replacement, baby. But to your point, I, I like that you said peace. It seemed like it was a little up in the air in the studio because I don't, I don't like music that much. That's why, obviously you don't need that bad.

Hold on, let me— hold on, let's paint this picture, right? Your mother going to the gas station by herself at night. Yes. Have you ever seen Plurals?

The movie?

Nah, no, the TV series on Apple.

Oh no, I heard about it, but no, I didn't see it. That's the one by, uh, the guy that did Breaking Bad.

Yeah, no, no spoilers, but those people, they can't harm nobody. They're just happy. So your mom pulling up to the Quick Trip in Stockbridge, right there by the gas— by the—

by the— you know which one. You know what I'm talking about.

Skate station, right? And, uh, and, and all— and you know it's peace in the world. It's 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, she going home safe. It ain't no robbers, ain't nobody snatching no purse, running. It's peace in the world. Future made some great music, okay?

Yeah, cuz he the first one gone.

All I'm saying is If I had to pick between Peace on Earth by Future, Drake, Migos— but y'all gone, boy.

We don't get no Throwaway.

Lamar, all you gone.

Y'all, we don't get no damn— yeah, Good Kid Bad City. Yeah, because we're gonna still crank that.

Swag Surfing.

We don't got no more Sing About You. Well, we don't got no more Jackson.

Ain't no Prince, Stevie Wonder out of here.

We not getting no Purple Rain.

No, man, we getting Dunk If You Buck.

But, but everybody is safe though, right? So we not even angry, we not, we not even upset with Dunk If You Buck.

Come on, beach life.

We just, we just drinking tea. Yep. And having, having breadsticks.

That's crazy. Music be the first thing go. If I was—

so damn, we don't get no Chief Keef.

If I'm praying to the Lord, I'm like, Lord Jesus, I would want peace throughout the whole universe. That makes so that it'd be so easy for us to forgive, it'd be so much easier for us to love. And then Jesus say, what do you want to trade off for this peace, Tyrone? And I'll be like, music, the good stuff too, Jesus. Get rid of the good stuff. If we don't get peace, you funny as hell.

Hey, we don't get no clips because it's Pusha T birthday today too. Shout out to Push.

Shout out to Push.

All the, all the clips music gone.

Well, listen, boy, all we gonna have is, uh, uh, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. We're gonna have sports, we're gonna have great movies.

Yeah, cinema going crazy.

Scored though, it ain't gonna be—

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But we still, we still got Rain Man, we We still got Denzel Washington. We still got, uh, uh, uh, we still got Will Smith. We still got, we still got Scorsese.

We actually still got the Fresh Prince. We still gonna get Summertime.

Yeah. Oh yeah, we still got Summertime. I don't think people think sometimes it's a great record, but it's a happy record.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a happy record. That's a happy record.

So man, think about it. We didn't lose. We still got more, but we got a lot of iconic talent. We still got Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle. Murphy.

You have no problem getting rid of music.

Get these niggas out of here, bro. Get them out of here, bro.

We ain't get no goddamn— no Rick Ross, no Get Rich or Die Tryin'.

Why you not? Peace.

That is a— that's a reason to put out right there.

We got Memphis Bleek though. We got Memphis Bleek.

I fuck with out here. Shout out to Bleek.

Shout out to—

hey, we lose the locks, bro.

Think about it, let's put it into perspective.

Ain't no biggie.

There's only a certain percentage of great music.

It really is though, right? Great music, it carry us, Ty. It keeps us through the dark ages.

Civil rights carried us. Yeah, that's what carried us.

Yeah, but they had, they had songs too.

Yes, they did. And them songs did not take those water faucets and them bricks thrown at them. Them songs did not show up.

You ain't wrong, King. I'm just like, dang, they know.

And we don't lose OutKast. We lose all the OutKast albums.

Dang, we do lose all the OutKast albums.

OutKast gone. Sorry, OutKast.

Dang, no, no love below. Gonia. Dang, no TI. Trap music disappears.

We might got Gucci though, we still might.

No, no, no, no, no, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Lemonade. Lemonade is a great record. We— Lemonade, great record.

Lemonade gone because we got Pharrell gone. Okay, yeah, Pharrell is still here, but Pharrell is a firefighter. Pharrell is a firefighter now.

We're gonna lose at least 3 dream albums.

Matter of fact, no, no, I'm not gonna do Pharrell like that. Pharrell would just be a full-blown designer.

He'll be a designer.

He would have already been—

he's still going to Louis Vuitton.

Yeah, he'd have already been running that. He'd have been running that 20 years ago.

We're definitely gonna lose a bunch of Kanye albums. Some of these later stuff is gonna be here, but a lot of the early stuff is gone. Hey, there won't be no Dark Twisted Fantasy.

This is great.

You're, you're okay with getting rid of all of this?

Why, for peace?

Thank you. You know what we will have?

Spirit Airlines itself. What are you willing What songs are you willing to get rid of for world peace?

Spirit Airlines would still exist right now if Ty could trade all your songs, because there would be no war.

Now we probably should get rid of Spirit.

You think so?

Spirit, Spirit, Spirit should go regardless.

I'm just saying they're a casualty of war, and without war, Spirit—

oh yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

They would be here because the oil prices— we would actually probably have better flights.

Oh yeah, think about it. We— it wouldn't be no slavery. We would have been in Africa. We would have never even made it over here. World peace, right? Yo, when you start talking about peace, it goes deep, bro.

Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. But you know, if we don't come to America, ain't no hip-hop. Ain't no hip-hop. Guess what? I gotta get rid of all the hip-hop.

Worldwide Tyrese.

Goddamn. Hey man, on my shirt right now, man, it says Evil Genius. Ain't no, ain't no Gucci. Ain't no Biggie, ain't no Tupac. What we gonna do without Pac, Ty?

Look at movies. He's still—

you, you're really committed that we're gonna have cinema, like movie theaters is gonna be jumping?

Absolutely, man. We can go in them because you're still gonna have music, but you're gonna have some of the best films that never got replaced. You're gonna have Wolf of Wall Street, you're gonna have Love Jones, you're gonna have You're gonna have Harlem Nights, you're gonna have all of the— all of the Spike Lee joints, all of the Denzel joints, you know what I'm saying? Training Day, Training Day still here, bro.

I just cannot believe you have all the James Bonds, all of the Avengers. You ain't playing. Oh, you feel like you would— you'd be working in music or you'd be working in film? You'd probably be over there, they got you some film clients.

Man, I ain't gonna lie to you, if it— if I wasn't doing music and it was world peace, yeah, I don't know, man, maybe I'll be still like trying to— maybe I'll be a coach. Maybe I'll be a coach, man. I coach football or something like that in college, you know what I'm saying?

You're very okay with life being so different. I appreciate Ty being so pro-peace.

Yeah, bro, you need this peace, bro. That's why I be trying to really rock with the youngest, man, trying to like make sure that they don't fall short and feel like they got to go do something dumb. Because like, my mom still be moving around by herself, man, you know what I'm saying?

I feel you.

Yeah, I'm like, if these niggas crazy, lock them up. I'm pro lock up these crazy— like, I'm not the free— I'm not free Lil Jon Jon. No, I'm not.

Like, nah. No, you did the crime, do that time. We definitely gonna lose NBA YoungBoy. I don't—

well, I don't know, I don't know.

Well, I kind of feel like with world peace, you would— you just wouldn't need that music. Like, we wouldn't need drill, you know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of that music come out of pain.

It'll be making but it wouldn't be popular, right?

We got peace.

I mean, we'll just have lo-fi music.

Yeah. Oh, the vibes would be immaculate. Oh, immaculate vibes.

But everybody—

that's what I'm saying.

Everybody playing instruments.

Now that could be fine. That could be fine, right? We all pick up a little clarinet, little drum set, something like that.

Poetry.

Yeah, but you'll be happy.

Poetry.

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's crazy that happiness doesn't feel like something that we embrace in music. Like, like heartbreak songs and stuff like that go crazy.

But we got to do research next time we're gonna see what's the biggest songs in the world globally, historically, and measure them if they happy songs or not.

Yeah, I like that. I like that because I think like, think about Kalani's Fold It. Fold It ain't no happy song.

That is not a, uh, um, Hey Y'all not a happy song.

No, it's not.

I mean, if you're happy, but the lyrics—

yeah, you listen to what they say.

No, I don't want to meet your papa. I don't want to meet your mama. No, I know, I'm making it the world.

Yeah, see, nah, nah, that man's over there.

Hey, yeah, that thing sound like, oh yeah baby, that's it.

It sounds like a party. They snuck it in there, man. They snuck it in there. But again, that's why I like albums like Ready to Die, Biggie Smalls. It resonates with people on such a level, you know what I'm saying? If the world's peace, no one's ready to die.

Hey bro, we won't even have the dream.

Nah, I don't think so. Ain't gonna be no love-hate, it's gonna be all love.

Dang, man, you know what I'm saying?

We not— music gonna be classical. We're gonna be playing goddamn classical Beethoven records because, you know, that music, you know what I'm saying? Bro, you're a funny man. I'm just saying, man. But I, I wonder what the music business will look like if it was world peace. Do you think the music business would be a different business, man?

Oh, lo-fi, baby. It'd be DJs, lo-fi, mood music, meditation music. The lyrics are what make it— what make it—

yeah, they make it. Yeah, yeah.

So just think about this though, we'll have all of the most incredible music though.

Yeah, think about the sound. Think about Reasonable Doubt instrumental, those beats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. Oh yeah, Ye's still producing.

Dang, we just—

yeah, nothing on you, no lyrics.

Time these lyrics.

Dang, we will lose lyrics. I guess that's a great point, that lyrics is how you make a song have that sad or mad or angry, all of those emotions. Oh, you got peace?

Yeah, man, we just gonna take the peace, man. We ain't even gonna try to negotiate with, with—

nah, you're not even gonna try to like hear the other side?

Cause I still gonna have donuts. Pizza, fish, them little small chicken wings, fruit, women.

But I'm gonna be honest, Ty, strip clubs ain't gonna be the same because they ain't got no— I didn't name strip clubs because I know you didn't.

With peace, I don't see peace and strip clubs kind of going together.

They don't go together. No.

Yeah, because you gotta realize ain't no more drug dealers, so ain't nobody to make it right, man.

Yeah, so ain't no Magic City. Yeah, what is Atlanta without Magic City?

Happy City. And it'll be, you know, like another version of Chuck E. Cheese, you know what I'm saying?

Just for grown people. Dang, it's crazy. But I guess to your point though, I mean, I know things are very tumultuous right now, Ty, and I just want to kind of ask you, do you think it's hard right now to be joyous, right? Like, if artists are making like positive music. The times aren't necessarily what I would consider positive right now. There's a lot of negative things going on in the world. It's a lot of bad news. Is it hard to be happy? Is it hard to be joyous right now in a time that is so tumultuous?

I think if you are— if you in like in just engulf yourself with all of this stuff that's going on, yeah, you're constantly taking it in I think it, I think it would be pretty hard to be, be joyous. I think you have to have boundaries up about what you ingest mentally, uh, visually, auto, audibly, to kind of really protect your joy. Because it's kind of crazy out here, man. Like, you got a lot of unhonorable people, you got a lot of like vicious people, you got a lot of like mean and hatred, hatred, hatred system. You got racists, you have, you know, abusers. Like, you know, you got people trying to scam you. You gotta really like protect your, your mental clarity and your visual intake, what you hear, the people you engage with. But if you in that type of like just toxic engulfed social media, gossip, abusive relationship, all of that stuff, it's kind of hard to kind of like be joyful, you know what I'm saying? If you wake up with your like clarity, prayer, getting that word, block out the things that don't serve you, I think it makes it easy to be joy— joyful, man.

I like that. You gotta protect your joy. I like that you said that, because joy is something that you have to protect. It's not gonna just be out here, uh, free, free out in the world and not be, you know, protected. If you don't protect it, then it's gonna be harmed.

For sure, it's gonna be harmed.

Going to be harmed. Uh, well, Ty, you know, anything else you want to add to today's conversation? I really feel like I, I enjoyed seeing how much you will put peace on a pedestal over music. I'm interested in seeing what our comments are going to say. If you're watching the show, please let us know, do you agree with Ty? Would you exchange good music for peace?

World peace. And just think about your mama be going to the gas station by herself, you got Lil Durk out there, got Lil Durk out there, and Lil Durk, Lil Friends, you know, shout out to Lil Durk. Hopefully that, you know, you're able to come, come to Jesus and why you locked up. I know that's a pretty radical way to come to Jesus, but come out of that thing saved and turn, turn, turn a leaf, you know what I'm saying?

The Lord accepts all, Ty.

He accepts all. Yes indeed. But yeah, man, I mean, when you said it to me, I was just like, no-brainer. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, boom, I still got Netflix, still got movie theater, still got donuts, still got watermelon. Like, we, we rocking. Still got golf. Oh man, yeah, yeah, music is out of here.

I don't know. Now if you, if you feel differently, you would prefer music, you got to tell us why. I need to see— yeah, I got the other side. I gotta see the other side.

What I'm working on just in my day-to-day life, man, is trying to think less about myself. Because if I'm thinking about myself, I'm thinking about music because that's how I make money, you know what I'm saying? So like, yeah, great music, oh, great money, you know what I mean? But I'm like, man, I'm trying to get into practice of like really truly doing my part about not just solely thinking about myself all the time. And you know, that's a— that is not an easy task for humans who our flesh naturally leads us to like singular approaches to what we desire more so than what a community desire, what's best for the whole. So that's just what I'm working on personally. So this conversation when you have to literally think about world peace. That means that all the people that did anything wrong to you, all of the deadbeat daddies, all of the murderers, all of these individuals, now you gotta go and have peace with them. And it just happens overnight, you know. But your memory, you know, is your memory still there? Like, you know what I'm saying? This is like a question. Yeah, bad things. Are you still gonna live in the past? Will humans mess up? World peace?

That's a good question. I mean, even the fact that you, you admitted, you were like, hey man, great music means great money, and you would still pick world peace over the fact that in a world where great music exists and not peace, you will probably be more— there's way more profit for you. And you see, you still didn't hesitate. You weren't like, man, yo, I gotta turn down da da da da da. You were like, no, without question.

Because when you think about it, like, it's— bro, sometimes I go outside at certain places and I'll be not more so afraid, but I'll be super like aware of like what's going on because it's so many crazy people in the world. You don't know if somebody's just gonna lose they— lose they self and They shoot up the— they shoot up Carbon Beach. Like, oh man, how'd they even get a gun in here, man? Like, you know, somebody gonna get— you know, so it's so much. We, we, we have to be aware of what our surroundings are in the United States of America, especially with this war going on. You don't know what, you know, dark agents pop up and terrorize the US because of what's going on in the Middle East. It's just a bunch of things, man. So Being aware of a lot of the things kind of like is a gift and a curse.

Yeah.

So if I can just wake up and know like, man, only thing I got to worry about is staying healthy and I ain't got to worry about nobody doing no wild stuff to me, sound like a good trade-off. Great trade-off, actually.

That is, that is a great trade-off. Yeah, like the fact that you can wake up and think peacefully about your whole day and not have to worry about nothing. You, you are making an excellent point because us, man. Things are becoming so aggressively disappointing about how we kind of treat each other, right? Like, you just don't know at all what happens when you go outside. And I always kind of felt that way, especially when it, you know, just being Black and going out and driving at night and not knowing what's gonna happen if you get pulled over. Like, that was a very early fear, and that was something like, nigga, you shouldn't have to fear that.

No, you shouldn't have to.

Yeah, but you're going from that, worrying about the police, to just worrying about anybody or anything, because it's just— that's the climate that we live in, right?

So yeah, that's all I got, man.

Great, great talk. Hope you guys enjoyed the conversation. Happy birthday to Stevie Wonder. You said shout out to all the Tauruses, and, uh, we'll see you guys next time. FIM Show. Coach's Playbook still out right now. Get a copy if you ain't got a copy. Yeah, man, we'll talk to y'all soon.

Peace.