Aligning Your Mind, Heart, And Soul with Jennifer Urezzio

Welcome to the Conscious Pivot Podcast with international speaker, business mentor, best selling author of Pivot, and your host, Adam Markell. The Conscious Pivot shares the stories and wisdom of people who have successfully reinvented some area of their business and personal life. You'll gain powerful insights into how you can fully embrace new opportunities, increase your performance, and master the art and science of innovation and resilience. So please join Adam as he guides you on your Conscious Pivot.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Conscious Pivot Podcast. I'm your host, Adam Markell, and I am feeling wonderful today. I've got an incredible guest to share with you in just a couple of minutes, but before we get there, I want to just take a moment to ground myself and remind all of us how important it is that we are reminded. I think a reminder of the reminder to be grateful for this moment is very, very important. And I know that we all have so many things we can be appreciative of and grateful for. We've just come through traditional time of the year when people are kind of focused on gratitude and giving thanks. And it's an interesting thing because I don't know that I love the holidays. I love all the holiday seasons. And yet I think to myself, gosh, wouldn't it be great if we just lived that way all the time? Does it take a holiday to bring us to a point of remembrance for various things? And why couldn't it be that we live with gratitude as an example each and every day so that we get the benefits, the kind of benefits that we've just been experiencing, this feeling of appreciation. And even in the midst of challenge or change or struggle or death or any of the other things that that sort of get in the way of our peace or get in the way of our happiness, that we can transcend those things through gratitude and through gratitude practice. So this is a reminder to me as I get to also remind others in our community that today's a great day to be grateful. And it doesn't take a designated holiday to kind of make it, to give us permission for that gratitude to be a part of our experience and for our, for each of us to give ourselves that gift. Because that's really ultimately what we're talking about, is our own personal opportunity, our responsibility, and the permission that we either give or deny ourselves to feel good in the moment about our lives, regardless of, you know, the circumstances. So I am very excited that I have got an incredible guest, somebody who just before we turned on the camera and the recording. I found out we have mutual friends. That's always nice when those synergies pop up. And never a coincidence either. I just don't believe in anything that's random in the. In the world, in the universe. So Jennifer Eurizio is the founder of Soul Language and a master intuitive who uses her intuitive skills to help raise consciousness. What could be more important than that? Soul Language is a paradigm to put. To put tangibility to soul, which I really want to get into that, what that looks like, because that's really exciting to me. She's the author of two books available on Amazon, Soul Language, Consciously Connecting to youo Soul for Success and A Little Book of Prayers. You can learn more about her at soullanguage Us. But without further ado, Jennifer, it's great to have you on the show and welcome. Thanks for being with us.

Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. And I loved your opening thing about gratitude. I have traditionally in my life done dry by gratitude, so I've had to really work on gratitude. Dry by gratitude is like, oh, God, thank you for blah, blah, blah. But, oh, by the way, I don't have blah, blah, blah. So gratitude is an ongoing practice for me because I tend to kind of skip that. Sacred practice.

Yeah, interesting. And I think on some level, again, I believe we all do that. I don't think this is sort of a unique thing. We take things for granted and not necessarily in some negative way. I don't think people wake up in the morning and they put their feet on the floor, hey, I'm going to take everything for granted today. I'm going to take, you know, my breathing for granted, my body, my friendships and my family. No, we don't do that. We just sort of live our lives and, and go about doing things that are sort of in the moment required, the sort of the triage of daily living, so to speak. But we can take a different approach to it. So before we get into a little bit of your work and the pivots that you've experienced in your life, as we were joking before we turned on it again, turned on the recording device, we're like, oh, man, we all just go through so much of this pivot stuff, micro pivots and macro pivots and all that. I would love to know, you know, the bio that I've written that I've just read about you. What's not written in that introduction, what's not written in that bio that you'd love for people to know about? You.

There's a lot actually not written in that bio, I think. You know, I used to joke around in corporate America about how, you know, I couldn't talk to clients because I would tell them the truth. Now I get paid to help people discover their truth and to help them kind of tell the truth to themselves, and I get paid to listen. I think what's not in that bio is I am always pushing the innovation box. I'm a huge creator of tools and worksheets and programs and. And I think that we're all creative beings, and I think there's a lot of us out there that are constantly creating and don't know how to kind of understand what to do with all those creations. So they leave all of these little babies all over the place without any proper nurturing. And one of the things that I'm really good at is helping people understand how to nurture all their creations. So that's not in my bio. I mean, how do you put that in a bio? Right.

Well, I don't know. You did a pretty great job nurturing. Nurturing. Creativity is a beautiful thing to be known for and a great kind of a legacy, if you will. So I don't know. Maybe that does go in your bio. That's a pretty good one. Let's get into a bit of your pivot story. So take us back as far as you want. I think our community is used to hearing the stories of the good, the bad, the ugly, and. And we all love them. We love these stories because, a, they tell us we're not alone, and B, they're super interesting, and they teach a lot, as is the case with most of our even more vulnerable moments in life. So take us any place you like.

You know, the. The one that just popped into my head is the major pivot I did coming out of art school. So I went to art school, which is so funny and not funny now. You know, I went to art school for photography. And I think one of the reasons why I didn't pursue that was because I was really uncomfortable being so vulnerable in the spotlight. And you have to be, you know, completely raw as an artist. And so the first pivot was, okay, so I have a degree, and now what do I do with that? And I. I couldn't. I just didn't want to work in a studio. I couldn't see, you know, starving for being an artist. And I did a major pivot, and I have this kind of tenacity about writing my own history and writing my own destiny, and I decided that I was going to work in public relations, and I knew nothing about it so much that I didn't. People like, oh, so what of public relations? What is that? My family would go and I would, like, stumble across my words. So the per. The first really major pivot was like, okay, you know, I know in my soul, and I'm an artist, but I just can't do that. What can I do now to really utilize all of my gifts and talents? And which direction will that be? And that huge pivot was stepping into corporate America, which doesn't seem like a huge pivot to people who've been in corporate America, but I'm a renegade. So to be in corporate America and to adapt that way a little was such a huge kind of mindset and adjustment and kind of a walking on a different. On a different floor for me. And so I really had to kind of learn how to manage up. You know, I'm a great manager. Down. But managing up, I sucked at it because they would be like, wait, you know, you're crazy, right? Like, you know, we can't make a round box square, right? We, you know that, like, FTD working on this program 72 hours and revising it 85 million times, you know you're going to lose this account, Right? You've already lost it. And so to really manage up was a huge pivot in my life. And when I said to my mom, you know, I took a job in corporate America, think she was so shocked. And I made it work. I made IT work for 17 years. But the way I made it work was every time I wanted something different. I literally wrote my job description for companies, and I went for it.

Hmm. Yeah. I want you to go back to something you said earlier, which I'm not sure if everybody understands entirely what you mean by the distinction between managing up and managing down. And I think we all definitely understand what it's like sometimes when our parents don't get us or don't get what we're up to, you know, kind of tilt their head on the side or our family does.

Like a dog.

Yeah. We should talk, right? Exactly. Yeah. So please explain that. Unpack that a little bit for us.

Yeah. You know, I was a great manager for my team. I always was for the underdog. I would support them. I, you know, stood by them. You know, I wasn't the type of manager that would go, okay, get it done, and I would leave. You know, I was the first one there and the last one to leave. And I really wanted to make sure that every member of my team was listened to and was really getting their needs met. Managing up, which means managing. Who's managing you was traditionally difficult for me because I was never someone who would say yes. And I think sometimes in corporate America, managing up, you have to say yes a lot more than I was comfortable. So I would go, yeah, but they'd be like, yeah, no buts. And I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, and so the managing up was traditionally really hard. I had a practice. My community will laugh at this because I had to practice my past the butter voice, and I mastered the past the butter voice. So I can say F you to someone in my pass the butter voice, which means, hey, can you pass the butter? And nobody knows I'm doing it. And I think that was a key to really get my point across with. With honey versus with vinegar. And I think that's the key to managing up. And as a little kid, my mother always said that to me, and I never really firmly grasped what she was talking about until I started to be able to kind of do that with my superiors and go, I understand what you want, but here's a different way of doing it, that this way is going to work. And so it became, you know, I became a valuable asset to my superiors because I would see things in a clear way and in a straight path rather than the traditional way that they knew or that they wanted to get done, which was mostly impossible.

Yeah. So is. Is there an element of managing up that involves your being available to receive mentorship and guidance or. Because I'm trying to get a sense. Get a sense of, were you coachable? Were you weren't coachable?

I'm more coachable now than I ever was.

I mean, back then. Absolutely.

Back then, I was always coachable, if you use the. The right phrase.

Some people right now are probably laughing, and I hope they are. I hope you guys are. Because how funny is that and how often that when we say, you know, to ourselves, oh, yeah, I'm totally coachable. I am so coachable as long as you approach me the way I want to be approached.

Exactly. You know, if you. If you didn't tell me what to do, if you valued my opinion, if it was discussion, I was right there.

If I knew you trust me, right? You ultimately, you trust. You're not micromanaging me. You know, you're just looking out for my best interest, really. You know, you have them in heart.

At heart, you know, but if you told me what to do, meaning if it was your way or the highway, that never worked. Never worked. And the lucky thing, the amazing thing was I was so good at my job. I was so good that I could write my own ticket with it, because I was that good. And so I had, you know, parts of my job that, you know, as a media relations specialist, other media relations specialists, how to write. I didn't have to write because I crafted my job so I didn't have to do it. And I think, you know, when you. When you have people in your life that can see the goodness of you, that is so key to success. You know, I. Back then, I had a strong. Like, I was a steel marshmallow. You know, I had that steel externally, but inside I was a giant marshmallow. So if you knew that I was a giant marshmallow, then you could totally work with that. But if you just saw the steel and wanted the steel to be different, then there was going to be friction.

Yeah, interesting. And, you know, when you were speaking about how good you were at what you did, I also wanted to say this. I didn't want to interrupt you, so I'll say it now. You were exhausted as well.

Of course. You know, I mean, I was working at 12. I mean, it was so funny when I think about it now, you know, prior to a big campaign, you know, just before I would have to get on the phone, I would lose my voice for 15 minutes. I know what that's about now, spiritually, right? I was exhausted, and I was the answer girl, just like I am now, but in a different way. So people all over the office would go, jen, do you know about. Blah, blah, blah. And I go, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they would go off and they would research it, and they would come back and they'd be like, how did you know know that? And I'm like, I don't know. But, you know, I was using my intuition. I was being my life purpose in corporate America. It just was a really sucky delivery system. Now I'm being my life purpose with an amazing delivery system. And I think so often pivots come when people are starting to align their sacred purpose and their delivery system at the same time. And I think most people go about trying to find their life purpose based on a delivery system, not on their sacred purpose. And so they kind of get into some rocky areas because of it.

Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm just taking a few notes here because I want to make sure we are closing loops as we open them. So that really Resonated with me deeply because in many ways, when I look back on my history. So I was a lawyer for 18 years. You were in corporate America for 17 years. Maybe that's a. Maybe that's is sort of the incubation period for figuring shit out, I don't know. Or for misery. But, you know, probably for the last seven or eight years of my career, I knew something was wrong, something was off. And to put your language to what was off, I often articulated a little bit differently. But I love how you framed it. So I'm going to just borrow your framing here and say, you know, the delivery system was not aligned for me. As it turns out, when I look back now, 10 years after I closed my law practice, I'm still teaching. I was doing then as a lawyer. And I used to call myself a counselor at law, not an attorney at law, because the counseling part was. The part I loved the most, was working with people to resolve their challenges. And it was a great business model because people are riddled with challenges. They're riddled with problems. So for me to be a problem solver and get paid really well to do it was. Was great. But the delivery mechanism, the system sucked. And you used the word sucky delivery system. The law for me was a sucky delivery system. Whereas the transition out of that into the work that I do now and speaking all around the world and training other people to speak and curating a community of people who are pivoting and in their lives, this is a very different delivery system, one that I wake up in the morning and now instead of feeling dread about the day ahead, I feel joy, I feel inspiration to start. So why don't we fast forward to, I guess, that same point in time, the inflection point, the pivot point, where you decided to leave corporate America and did you immediately transition into the correct delivery system? Was there a few pivots along the way before that? Yeah, give us. Give us a little.

So that's really very interesting because as everything happens, you sometimes only can see, you know, in my verbiage how God works when you're past that point. So I was asked to speak at a conference about essential oils and life purpose. I was still, you know, working with my best friend in, you know, her PR firm. And I got up on stage and I did my thing, and I got off. And there were people lined up to talk to me, and I was like, okay, what's going on? And people are like, can you help me? Can I be your client? And I was like, okay, let's do it. So in tandem, when that was happening, at one point during my PR career, we had this international known coach. I spent two hours on the phone with her, counseling her about her relationship with her daughter. And the next week, she fired us. And she said, me, I didn't know who she was or her business. I did. I just saw a bell on the curtain, and she couldn't take it. And that was the moment I turned to my best friend, who was my boss, and I said, okay, look, in three months, I'm going to go freelance. And she's like, great. So at the same time of that speaking engagement, the three months was rolling around. She's like, okay, so are you going freelance tomorrow? And I was like, what are you talking about? I've already made plans. She didn't make any plans. It was that lovingly push out into the universe. And so I went freelance, and I was doing some PR work for her and taking on these clients. And what I really noticed was, on the PR days was crying a lot. And I don't cry. I was crying a lot. I was so angry. And someone had offered me a $25,000 PR job, which would have paid a lot of bills for a very long time. And I had to make a decision then. And there is my what I want to do, how I want to be, my own sanity. Was it worth the $25,000, or was I going to pivot and take a leap of faith? And I made that decision, and I've never regretted it. So that was a huge pivot. It was a pivot of jumping out and freelancing. It was another pivot of saying, no, I'm not going to do that. And then it was another pivot, which I think is the biggest pivot of all, of trusting. I think if we're gonna really think about it for a second, I think I pivot all day long because there's always some area or some place you have to turn to and trust. And that's a huge practice, and it's a huge opportunity for a lot of amazing things to happen. And the moment that I turned down that job, I got three new clients, which equal to $25,000, right? And so I was like, okay, this can be real. And I think part of the pivot process is not just trusting that it's all going to work out, but it's also understanding that you're being guided in that pivoting process, that you're not alone. And I think so often when we pivot we think, oh, my God, no one's ever done this, or, oh, my God, I'm totally alone, or, you know, we tend to make up those bad stories in our head, and instead of going, oh, I've done this pivot before. The circumstances are just different. I think the reason why we pivot is always the same.

Yeah, it's. Well, what do you think the reason is that we always pivot?

I think it's always for expansion and always to bring more goodness into our lives. Yeah.

Which doesn't always feel true.

No. And sometimes. Yeah. No.

Right.

I think that's when it doesn't feel good. That's an indication, you know, in the moment when it doesn't feel good, when you're on the floor, you know, in the fetal position, eating cheese. Because that's what I do when I'm upset. Right. Is that's how you know you're on the right track.

And again, it's so counterintuitive because I'll never forget the day that closed my law practice. So after 18 years of practice, we finally got to the point where we were closing, and this was the mile marker in my pivot was having created a plan B. So I wasn't the kind of person who does what some advocate, which is jump ship. You know, tell your boss I'm quitting, You know, jump off the cliff because the, you know, the parachute will appear and all that kind of thing. I'm much more conservative. And I also had a lot of responsibility at the time, like we all do, you know, being with four kids and two dogs. And I think we had a gerbil and goldfish and, you know, a lot of life, a lot of living beings that were my responsibility, including a lot of clients. So it took about two and a half years for me to pivot out of wind down my practice. But when we were closing it, and I remember the shredded truck was sitting out in front of the office for two whole days, and they shredded.

Wow.

You know, like 10 years of documents that I no longer needed to keep. And I was in the office. Everything was cleared out, all the furniture, all the file cabinets. And I'm lying in the fetal position in the middle of the. The vestibule, just sort of writhing in pain because it was the end of an era. There was a great deal of unknown on the road ahead. You know, there's that sort of fear always fear of what we don't know. What I didn't know at the time. And devil you know, is maybe. Maybe sucks. But you at Least you know what you got. You know what you got, right? This was completely, you know, an unknown road. So, yeah, I can really, really identify with that description. So you end up following that path. And I think where you said the trust, the pivot of trust is so important because I think that's the biggest challenge for folks is if they knew people listening and watching this right now, if you knew that it would all work out, that starting your side hustle would work out, that starting that business you've always wanted to start, or changing jobs, changing careers, doing something else that you would love, whether it's to go travel or it's to do, you know, live out your. Your calling to be an artist, whatever that might look like for you. If you knew it would absolutely work out, as in, you would not be destitute, homeless, dead or otherwise, you know, despised. You wouldn't lose all respect. But quite the contrary, that you're. Your experience of living would be enhanced in ways that you can't even imagine. Your connection to yourself, your trust in yourself, your trust in the universe, your connection to spirit, that all that would just enliven as a result of moving forward without the benefit of 100% certainty. Everybody would do it.

Everyone would do it. And I think there's this misconception about trust. I think people think that it's like eye color and you should have it. Trust is an active participation. You know, just like faith, it's an active participation. It is a choosing. It is something that you get to activate and turn to. So, you know, I always use my body's divine intelligence. Divine intelligence. Fill me with a feeling and knowing of trust, and I'll do that until I can feel my energy shift. And sometimes, you know, especially in a major pivot, I have to do that a million times a minute. I do it a million times a minute. I think they're, you know, we're so hard on ourselves. And so I think that people are like, oh, I just wish I could trust more. Well, every opportunity is an opportunity for you to choose trust. And especially when you're moving through huge change, you know, it's about finding that place in you. That's that. And everyone has that place where it's never been hurt. It knows it's whole and complete and really, really tuning into that place and being guided by that. And we do have a lot of chatter. You know, I didn't have. I had a cat and a rented apartment. I didn't have kids, you know, and a car lease. Right? So, okay, what's the worst that can happen. I didn't have a family to take care of, so I think my fear was huge. But it was a lot less fear than you had because I wasn't responsible for other people's lives. Right. So it's really about understanding, you know, your greatest strength in that core belief that's unbeatable. So my core belief that's unbeatable that gets me through any pivot is I know I have courage. Right.

I love that. Yeah, I know I have courage.

Right. So you have to determine what your core belief is of. Of goodness and really sit in it. We all have that challenge limiting belief. And I think so often there's this kind of protocol of spirituality about eradicating that limiting belief. That limiting belief is there for a friend. It's there as a signal for you to choose something bigger. So I know for me, when fear, when lack, when not good enough shows up, I know that that's an opportunity for me to go, okay, going to make the choice to trust. I'm going to make the choice to, you know, do a ritual, do a sacred practice. I'm going to call someone. I'm going to, you know, sit down in my courage. I think that there's a kind of a roadmap to completing a pivot. You just need to find out what your roadmap is. And if you kind of analyze any pivot you have done before, a lot of those clues will be in that for you.

Yeah. There's no question that looking back at the road behind us is such an incredible. It is the crystal ball. People say, I don't have a crystal ball. I don't have a crystal ball. B.S. i call B.S. on that because we all have a crystal ball. And it is counterintuitive. Right, Jennifer, that this is the idea that people. And it's kind of, you know, personal development 101 to say, focus on what you want, not on what you don't want. I remember learning that very early in my, you know, on the path for me. And it's true on a level. And it's also misleading on a level because people don't are taught then and trained then not to look at what doesn't work. Whereas, and I, and I love this turn of phrase. When you know what doesn't work, you know what does work. When you know what you don't want, you also know what you do want. So it's this idea that to look at you are limiting beliefs, for example, with the eye toward eradicating them is Fine. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose. But to also look at them with an eye toward gaining clarity on what it is that you actually want to believe about yourself. Because oftentimes in our work, we train speakers. And by the way, when you talk about a roadmap and a plan, that's exactly what pivot is. So the book is that roadmap looking backwards, just like you said. So I made these pivots, and. And then I realized there was a roadmap in looking in the rearview mirror. You're in the crystal ball. I had a crystal ball for exactly what we did. And I thought, well, great, let's share this with people. And then ultimately, like you say, the bigger game was we got to share it with the world and still do. The book is just widely sold every day, which is a wonderful thing. But then we also started to examine the other folks, the case studies that we could get our hands on of people who'd pivoted and look back in the rear view mirror as well and say, well, where are the commonalities here? What are the common denominators and what they did to successfully navigate their own pivots? So that was cool. What. What I think is really neat about what you've just brought up is we talk in a different arena, this public speaking arena, about developing and getting clarity on your core message, because so many people are not clear on their core message, which means we can't position you can't position yourself, and people can't position you if you don't understand your core message, your. Your. Your brand promise. Right? Lots of ways to put it. But what's really neat to me is the idea of what's your core belief? So looking at what your limiting beliefs are, which might have to do with worthiness, deservedness, self love, any number of things. You know, you're not smart enough, not good enough, not pretty enough, not skinny enough, whatever those beliefs might be. And then saying, so what is my core belief? Knowing that these are limiting beliefs, what is actually a core belief that I can see clearly now would help me to transcend those limiting beliefs. So your core belief being that I know, I have courage about the fact that we are pivoting constantly. Like my son said to me the other day, Max, he said, dad, we're, you know, where we're always, like, involved in micro pivots. And I said, well, what do you mean about that? He goes, well, your book is, you know, like, pivot. It's such a big word. And people think, gosh, a pivot it's like, I got to quit my job and move to Fiji or something. Right? Is, you know, but we really just pivoting constantly. Mindset, like, I got a shitty thought, you know, I'm thinking negatively, I'm in the past, I'm regretting something, or I'm resenting something, or I'm hating on somebody, or I'm comparing myself to someone else. I'm looking, you know, instead of looking down the road ahead for myself and moving forward, I'm looking to the right, I'm looking to the left, et cetera. Just to just make a change in the moment is huge.

Yeah, huge. And, you know, I think so often, I think, I think so often people are looking for the golden ticket, you know, that. That big, huge, you've won the game. The golden ticket and my life, I can tell you the golden ticket moments. But the little moments, the little pivots have had huge impact. They led up to the golden ticket moments, you know, and so I'm really conscious about making that conscious choice every moment. And, you know, the conscious choice is based on that core belief. You know, am I courageous? Yep. Am I going to walk through this? You bet. Am I going to face my lack today? Of course. And it allows you to really tune into something higher. You know, I had a mentor that told me once, pain is boring. Everyone's pain is the same. It's just different circumstances. Right. But what's really interesting about human beings is that connection, because everyone connects differently and everyone describes it differently. And I think how we come out of the pivot, how we, you know, navigate the. That's exciting, because that is about the combination of soul and humanness really working together to triumph, you know, and that's what is so exciting when I talk to people about transformation, because that's where the gold is. Tell me more about that and all of the failures. You just missed your mark. You just missed the mark. So we need to, you know, go a little left or go a little right or, you know, move this way or move that way, and you eventually will hit the mark.

This is how they got to the moon. I mean, it's. It's a pretty widely used analogy or example. But, you know, the first time that we landed, landed and departed the state, the spaceship to walk on the moon, this was a series of thousands of pivots, probably millions. I mean, I've never gone and researched just how many changes in direction, micro changes were made. But those micro pivots is what helped them to get there. And there isn't a straight line in the universe anyway, so to hold us.

So do you know what? When JFK asked the scientists if we could go to the moon, do you know what the scientists said?

Please share.

If you believe we can, we can. That's a huge statement. If we think about it like, okay, well.

You know, our beliefs are so often self fulfilling prophecies.

Exactly.

So here he is, I mean, and you know, we can go back now, I guess. And I suppose it almost seems even a little trite, but at the, at that time the idea of going to the moon was literally insanity.

Totally.

They, by the end of the decade, which, you know, I think he made that, he was speaking about that in the very early part of his, his term, so early 60s, 61, 62. To say that, to throw the gauntlet down that by the end of this decade, I think I might have said century earlier, but the end of the decade we would land, you know, and you know, step foot on the face of the moon was ludicrous. And yet, you know, looking back now, it's, you know, we're about to land for the 18th or 19th time Mars, you know, not with being, but so, so things, things for sure are, are very much a part of, you're in the, in the realm of mindset. I mean, sometimes it's a corporate arena even and I do a lot of corporate speaking. We train people to do that sort of thing. We are, we are talking about, you know, what is, what is the value of mindset to, to tangible business or the actions that we take every day in business. And it's a huge, it's a huge reminder because in 1969 they had certain resources available to them to go the moon, just like we have resources today that are available to take us to Mars. Everything that was necessary to put that into action, to develop it, to iterate to practice test fail and pivot and move forward and ultimately succeed. And everything that was available in 1969 was available in 1869. Everything, all the resources were in the ground. We were not there. Mindset wise, you know, would have been heresy or, you know, they locked somebody up in the, in the loony bin to say that in, in 1869 we hadn't even flown yet. So the value of that is, I think, just bears reminding. Tell us a little bit more about the transition into the work you're currently doing and how it is, because I know you work with and coach and coach coaches. So that's both, I believe in the personal development arena, but it's also on the side of business and on the side of business development in particular. So.

So, you know, it was like the transition was like going downhill on a bike without brakes, you know, and it's so amazing. I mean, you know, it's 11 years now that since I kind of downloaded the paradigm called soul language, and we're up to 20 coaches. You know, I work with groups, I work with one on work I work with builds business development. I've been lucky over the last couple of years to help people right now marketing materials and ghosts write books. So it allows me to do a lot of the things I love. I think what. What has been so amazing about the paradigm of soul language is that it puts tangibility to something that's intangible, which is soul. Not to put you in a box, but humans love to have words for things, and so when they have words for things, they can connect in a very conscious way. And so what soul language does is it defines the three core energies of soul. Your mission, how you fuel that mission, and then your soulful personality. And we can do a personal soul and then a business soul as well. And what's so funny about business people, especially entrepreneurs, is that they think that they are their business and they're really not. You call in a business to do something bigger first for yourself and then for others. So it has its own agenda. And so I, like any other sign language practitioners, we really work with people to be conscious, to utilize their soul in a conscious way. I. Over the last couple months, you know, the phrase has come up, you know, on Facebook and, you know, here and there about, oh, my soul's crying, my soul's in pain. And I'm like, no, your soul is whole and complete. It's your humanness that is. Is revolting. And so it's about, really, soul language. And what I do is help, really help people align their soul with their humanness. It's a structure to help the mind follow the heart.

That's. So unpack that just a little bit more. Because one of those areas, again, that we end up having a lot of discussion about is how it is that you speak from the heart, move out of your head and into your heart.

So, yeah, I think, you know, here's a perfect example for everyone to play with. So if you start looking in the mirror each day, look in your eyes, and a lot of people are going to have a hard time with this, but look in your eyes, in the mirror and say that you're enough three times, your mind is going to start chasing why you're enough. The mind's job is to keep everything at status quo. And so the mind is based on pattern, it's based on keeping you safe. While the heart is always geared towards your expansion and your goodness. And sometimes those things are competing. So when we say we allow the mind to follow the heart, what we're really saying there is we're allowing the mind, which creates structure and strategy to be guided by something that is geared towards goodness, that knows that you are loved whole and complete. And when that happens, what occurs is freaking bliss. Because the mind will fill in the blanks of goodness. So it will come up with strategy of your greatest dream or your greatest vision. So I hope I unpack that a little for you.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it's a question of what is the, what is the heart anyway? Because we know what the mind is, we have a sense of that. Even though one of our clients actually wrote a book called An End to Upside Down Thinking, which is really about turning the paradigm. Well, the book isn't about turning the paradigm upside down. It's exposing the fact that if you buy into this materialism is about that the brain creates consciousness, that that's why when we die, our consciousness extinguished according to traditional scientific belief systems, paradigms, teaching, etc. And that the proof to the contrary is that consciousness exists outside of the mind or outside of the brain. And the brain is the, so the receiving set for consciousness that exists non locally. And therefore when we pass, for example, consciousness doesn't necessarily die in that moment. Now that's extreme and that's a lot of implications there.

We could do hours on that.

We could do hours on this. We won't do that here. But, but the idea that people understand basically that the brain is something that's the thinking piece. And so speaking from our heads is speaking from that sort of logical knowing or like you say, the part of our brains that is designed to keep us safe is designed to be right. Because being right means we're safe. All of that sort of amygdala stuff. And the part of us that's non, sort of non brain related, we call it heart.

I think that heart, that soul is that part of us that.

Isn'T that our subconscious though. Aren't we just talking about when you, you're an intuitive and you help.

No, it never feels that way to me. It doesn't feel like something's buried. It feels like, it always feels like, you know, a summer day. So it feels pure and clean and there's this. When I talk from my heart, there's this feeling of knowing that there's just something big out there, that I am this drop in this ocean of goodness. And that's why it's so exciting for people to understand what that soul and what that heart feels like to them, because it's so personal. And, you know, soul language puts silly human words around something that's, you know, totally intangible so we can understand it or connect better with it. But understanding that heart and that soul and is vast, and it's never boring. And, you know, the moment that I think I've got a grasp on, you know, the total capabilities of that soul of Jen, something happens and I'm amazed again. It's that part of you that knows when you stand in front of a mountain that, oh, my God, this is beautiful. That's that part of you that you know unexplainable when you see someone you love. There's that. That feeling of warmth that's. Yeah, it's all chemicals and blah, blah, blah. And we can dissect it, but there's a part of us that knows that there's something unexplainable within us that's guiding us. You know, I do this exercise with. With clients about understanding the baseline of their soul. So I'll ask them just to take a deep breath and focus on their tailbone and connect to their heart. And I'll go, okay, ask your soul to vividly and clearly describe to you what the baseline of your soul is. And I'll hear love, peace, freedom, all the big things. And people will go, my God, that's so big. Or that. Or that's so general. I'd be like, yeah, because that's what soul is. It's big and it's general and it's cliche because our silly humanness can't get the message. So we keep getting it in several different ways. So, you know, and I love this conversation because no one has ever brought this conversation to the table, which I love about really how to describe what the heart is. Soul. Yes. But, you know, I think just like the brain is an instrument for us, the heart is an instrument. Interpret soul.

Yes. It's a feeling instrument.

Yeah.

And to be in a feeling space, to be in a place where you could be guided by something that. That isn't of the thinking mind, puts people in a. In a very vulnerable space. And so from. From this perspective of communication, whether it's one on one or it's one on a lot of people to be able to access your heart through your feelings and to be safe doing it, or to at least be safe in the vulnerability, because you will be vulnerable. I mean, I've been on some very, very large stages and spoken from my heart meant, or having spoken from my heart meant. I wasn't scripted in that moment. I wasn't coming from my head to pursue some agenda, but was rather being present in the moment with what I was feeling and then guided to the words from that feeling space, which is incredibly powerful both for the person who's doing it, because it's very selfish in that moment, when you're being a channel for that kind of communication, it is. It is one of the most blissful feelings that I've ever experienced. And I've done a lot of things that have brought me joy and bliss, but this is one of the most incredible experiences. And second, it is an incredible means to connect.

Yeah.

So that. So to imagine being in China and you've got 12,000 people there that don't speak English, and yet you're speaking from your heart and there's translation happening, and you have a room full of connected souls. That is just ridiculous, right?

I mean, yeah, it's huge. And as you're talking, what cracks me up is, you know, I've traveled in Russia, I've traveled, you know, all of the world. And. And whenever I travel or wherever I go, people will come up to me in whatever language they speak, and they will tell me their deepest, darkest secret out of nowhere. And I go, okay, I know what you're saying, but I don't really know how I know what you're saying, nor do I know how to really fully express. But I'm just gonna stand here, listen, and then I'm just gonna say something. We'll see what will happen. I think that's about being connected and being really open enough to. To know that we're all connected. And I think that's huge. And I think, you know, for speakers, that's. I always call that speaking to someone's listening. Right. So when. When you're. When you know yourself, when you're connected, when you know your message, and I'm not talking about knowing the words, I'm talking, embodying the message. When you can speak to someone's listening, that's huge that, you know, people walk away and they'll be talking about that message to their friends or to themselves, or they'll be thinking about it one shape, form or another for years, and you'll. You'll. Stay with them. And I think that's about really understanding who you are, accepting it and loving yourself and being connected to that. That thing we call soul.

Yes. I'd love to know if you've got a ritual, something, some practice, daily practice that you feel really keeps you in that space that you're describing. What does that look like?

I do. I'm a renegade, right. So I get bored easily. And so one of the daily practices I always do is I write an affirmative prayer. I love writing prayers, so I'll do that. I also love to sing. I know when I'm really upset that that's a time to sing, to get all of that stuff out of me. So that's one of my rituals. Another thing of my rituals is, you know, I will ask myself a question. Well, really? God, universe, tree, Bob, cupcake. I'll go, okay, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I'll go. And I'll go in the shower. And before I'm done, that answer or that guidance has popped. So those are some rituals that keep me sane and connected.

Beautiful. I have so loved, as you said earlier, I really enjoyed this conversation. I think this is incredibly interesting to me personally. Valuable to me personally, and I know for sure to our community as well. So, Jennifer, thank you so much for being on the podcast today. Of course, it's called the Conscious Pivot, so I couldn't imagine a more apt conversation for this show. So thank you for that.

Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure and I've thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Way cool to our community. I'll sort of bring things to conclusion. It's so funny because I always find myself resisting calling it an end because it's just the beginning. Because we know. Where I'd like to conclude, though, is with how we began. So it's nice to bookend these things and see how cause and effect are really one. Supply and demand are one. You know, the illusion of time, I think, is one of the greatest issues for us. But in the present moment, there is no time. It is all collapsed. I mean, nobody ever knows how 10 years pass by. We just go, wow, it was just 10 years ago, a second. Just a second ago, literally. And now we're here. So we started with gratitude. And the reminder is that we experience gratitude even when we don't feel great and certainly when we sort of least want to be grateful. There's an opportunity to open up to gratitude. Everybody got to wake up today. This I know. See, I can look in my crystal ball and know that everybody that's watching this right now, listening to this, woke up today. I know that I don't even have to know you, and I know that that was true. My affirmative prayer is that we all get to wake up again tomorrow because that's not a guarantee and it wasn't guaranteed today and we don't know what tomorrow brings. So that's a blessing. And when it is that you do wake up tomorrow, that you have that blessing, that you can be grateful in that moment, just knowing that, knowing that there are people then out there, right in that moment, who are taking their last breath as you are taking your first conscious breath of the day. So it is a special moment. And babies will be born taking their first breath as well. So it is in many ways something that is holy. So I hope that you will remember these words tomorrow when you do wake up and you realize you're opening your eyes and you get to choose gratitude as the first, not just the first thoughts of the day, but the first seeds that you plant both in your, in your mind and in your experience of being. And that from that feeling of gratitude that you can even declare out loud something that is really powerful and has changed my life, changed my experience of living more than anything else that I can think of. I just recently gave a TED Talk on this very topic, which will be out in just a little while. But you can put your feet on the floor, stand up if you like, declare out loud, or from the standing position, from the sitting, from the lying down position, anywhere you like, but you can declare out loud, I love my life. I love my life. I love my life. What if you decided to love your life no matter what and be grateful in that moment? So what a wonderful conversation. Jennifer, again, thank you so much. Our folks, you know we love those reviews. So please leave a review on itunes or a comment@adammarkelle.com podcast leave a comment, we'll reply. We love to get your thoughts and feelings about things and you could certainly join our Facebook community or get access to other resources by going to startmypivot.com so startmypivot.com access to the StartMyPivot Facebook community as well as the six questions. It's a Kickstart guide to determine where you are in your pivot, whether it's those sort of micro pivot moment or maybe it's something a little bigger that's incubating as well. Information about Jennifer, information about Jennifer's soul, language work, the coaching that she does, all of that's going to be part of the show notes as well, and we look forward to connecting again really, really soon. Ciao for now everybody. Bye bye.

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