Pivoting And Materializing Ideas Into Existence With Jacquie Jordan

Welcome to the Conscious Pivot Podcast with international speaker, business mentor, best selling author of Pivot, and your host, Adam Markell. The Conscious Pivot shares the stories and wisdom of people who have successfully reinvented some area of their business and personal life. You'll gain powerful insights into how you can fully embrace new opportunities, increase your performance, and master the art and science of innovation and resilience. So please join Adam as he guides you on your Conscious Pivot.

Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Conscious Pivot Podcast. I'm your host, Adam Markell and I am taking big deep breaths this afternoon. I was just on before hitting the record button, speaking to this amazing, amazing guest, this beautiful, lovely woman that I'm going to get to introduce you to in just a moment. But before we hit the record button, we were kind of having a little rant. And I'll just readily admit the rant was about how poor the communication seems to have gotten. Or as much as communication has always been a challenge in the world, it's been a challenge in relationships. I'm blessed that I'm married to my college sweetheart for 29 years and I can tell you that if you ask me what has been the most difficult thing and the most challenging thing and the most blessed thing that we've learned in being able to navigate life together with four kids and moves, multiple moves of location and all that kind of thing, the one thing would be communication that that's been the area of growth. It's been our growth edge and it's been the place where we've been able to find harmony, to continue forward and love, love even at a deeper level. And communication seems to have fallen off a cliff. There's just so many people these days that are not responding to emails, they're not responding to text messages, they're just all these open loops and then pretty ineffectual apologies for that kind of thing. In fact, I was just sharing that I managed to get somebody kind of jar them loose after many, many emails of not responding and I wrote them a text that said have we mistreated you in some way? And that somehow got in there and then they wrote back to say no, no mistreatment, so sorry, been so busy, etc. So I don't know if any of you are experiencing that and are frustrated with that in your business or, or in your personal life or maybe you're perpetrating it. I have to look at myself clearly in that regard as well. But it is definitely something that we may cover on the show today, I don't know, we'll see. But it is not necessarily something I think is positive in our world. And I'm a very positive person and this has got me, I got to tell you, got me going. So I want to introduce this amazing guest that I have today and we're going to have a great conversation. She's a dynamo. She's a, you know, very interesting and I would say somebody that has a very varied background and is with, has diversity of experiences and opinions about things. So she's going to be a very interesting person for you guys to listen to. So whether you're, if you're on the treadmill, you know, keep walking, keep running, whatever you're doing, but pay close attention if you're in the car or you're in front of your computer, whatever you're doing, you might want to take notes on this session today. So I'll just share a little bit about her and then we'll dive right in. Her name is Jackie Jordan. She's a two time Emmy nominated TV producer, a New York Times best selling publisher, the founder of TV guestpert and author of two incredible books, get on TV and Heartfelt Marketing. And I love how we just could bullet point these incredible accomplishments. Welcome to the show today, Jackie.

Thank you so much Adam for having me on. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

I have not launched a podcast that way before. I'm more, I'm more the real touchy feely guy. Get everybody breathing, get in your heart space, be in gratitude.

I love the authenticity also of just being real and frustrating, you know, like I think that, you know, we're communicators. That's what I do for a living. I'm a professional communicator. I create narratives for a living in different mediums. And you know, we are definitely seeing a shift in how people are communicating or not communicating. And I think the fight for people's attentions and for people's lack of attention sovereignty is severely contributing to the bandwidth that people have available to complete communications and professionally it is a little crazy making. So I appreciated your realness.

Thank you.

That way.

Very cool.

Nothing to do with me.

How nice. How lovely. Before we dive into that or some other deep pool which I'm looking forward to. What's something that's not written in your bio? I mean I just bullet pointed it but it's a very extensive experience in business and marketing and TV and publishing, et cetera. What's something that's not written in any of your any version of your bio that you would love for people to know about you.

Great first question. That's like probably the best first interview question ever. What's not in the bio is. And it's really, it's probably my upcoming pivot, if I'm going to be specific, is what I do for a living is I help promote people, businesses, narratives into. Mostly I'm known for mainstream media through TV guest Burt and TV on camera training. Our guest, our publishing company, TV guest for publishing and. But what I. What I really feel like I am is an alchemist. Like, I take the ideas that have not materialized and I help businesses, people, situations, material, their ideas. So one of my favorite keynotes that I have the privilege of doing is called grounding the spiritual and the material. And I. And. But I've been playing around with the idea someone. So I had backing up earlier this morning, I was speaking with a client and she said to me, oh, based on your presentation, Jackie, I didn't know you were spiritual. And it kind of like thudded thud me. Because, you know, I feel like that's the primary principle of which I exist as a spiritual being, having a human experience. And my outgrowth of that is helping other people with their expression in the material world of that through the structures of business and finances and storytelling. So that's. So when she said that to me, I was like, oh, my God, thud. But I've also been playing with this idea of what it means to be spiritual. And because I promote experts primarily, I'm known for promoting experts in the media and helping them build their media platforms and their media businesses, which I love doing. But I'm seeing a big pivot in the collective that the guru is going away, so we're not going to be following.

Thank goodness. I'm sorry, did I say that out loud? False prophets that exist so frequently around us.

Oh, yes, yes.

What a shame that'll be to see that disappear.

Exactly.

And sorry, I don't normally interrupt that.

Way, but you and I are on the same page. This is the pivot. This is the pivot. So we're to answer the question of what's not in my bio is now my responsibility to my client base, to my future clients. And I want to stay away from calling it spiritual because the spiritual elitism can be just as distorted. So just been calling humanitarian.

Right. It can be just as hypocritical people that cloak something under the, under the umbrella of spirituality or who's done something else than somebody. Right.

Who's got more information yeah, so I've been. So the pivot is bringing my clients and this is what you do with your podcast and your work is that whole authenticity piece. So it's now it's like, it's, it's about not being a guru, not and, but still being. But we need to be out in the world. We need. People don't know about us. We can't help more people. So it's about bringing the humanitarian expert, the wealth of knowledge and wisdom that, you know, a person has brought to themselves and then bringing them out into the storytelling of mediums. And I think the other pivot that's going on that at least professionally I'm experiencing, but professionally it's happening across the board, is that the mediums are changing. So I've come from syndicated broadcast television. You know, we're moving into short form, what I've been calling micro content. So now we're telling micro content because those very same people have attention spans and bandwidths now like this. Not like it used to be, where you could sit down and watch a long form program where like we're just getting our information in tidbits and bits. But it also is why we can be so manipulatable also to information, because.

We'Re just very little context that you get. So it's more soundbite and therefore room for.

You don't have to substantiate it. If you just pop it out there loud enough, then we're all going to, you know that, you know, we can walk away believing that coconut oil is actually bad for your health or even.

As potentially worse, that we share that information as though it's authoritative, right? There was, yes.

Yes.

And as a result, there's a whole group of people around here that don't inoculate their kids. I mean, I'm taking a risk when I say this now because there'll be people who go, you're out of your mind. You don't know what you're talking about. It's like, do the research and, and know that the studies that were quoted were inaccurate and the conclusions about inoculations of children were largely not accurate. And yet now there are whole groups of people who will not inoculate their babies because they believe that it causes autism or other things. And those are patently been proven to be false.

Do your research. Do your research. Do your research.

Do your research.

You know, the coconut oil study was from the American Heart association, was paid for by the corn syrup industries or the corn industry. So it had a different Agenda and, and so it's a rabbit hole of information. And he who controls the narrative, controls mostly the consciousness. And then we're complicit in the consent of consciousness. And so that's the big picture.

So what does this mean to little old you?

Yeah, exactly. Right. So here I am with this little old me. Yeah. In Silicon Beach TV gasper. And we raise the profile of experts in the media. We help them get their messages out to the media. And I, to me, I feel like what we do is we raise. All of our clients are like balloons and we just lift them up and out there, you know, to hit the right audience, to get the right storytelling down, to get the right messaging, but to understand also the system that we're participating in and also how it is truly how it is really used as opposed to what we'd like to think it is. So that's kind of the pivot that I'm, you know, that's my multi dimensional pivot. You know, there's where we go with that. But I think that, yeah, I'm trying to move away from the whole spiritual piece and just really what is a humanitarian and how are we making a difference? Like what is our contribution? What is our knowledge base of information that we have as experts and how can it serve, you know, larger groups of people?

Sure, sure. Take us back beyond the, you know, where, where we've been at them.

We came in with so much energy. I know you're combustible. We came on combustible. Anybody who's listening is like, what did I walk in? I walked in the middle of a conversation. We just had combustible energies. But that was.

Well, these are, these are catalytic times and that is what the combustion or combustibility is all about.

I welcome it. I personally, Jackie, I welcome it. We need disruption, we need change. We need people to pay attention. We need to wake up, we need to take action different ways.

I'll seed and self promote ahead, well ahead of the publication of the book that we're writing. But Embrace is the title and it's the path to resilience in business and in life. And so it's a connection between the ever present change that exists and how it is that we, we handle it. Are we in resistance to that change or do we embrace that change? And how is it that we create alchemy out of these new opportunities, this, this unknown and this uncertainty that normally produces fear in many people. There are other people who embrace that, who have learned that alchemists formula, if you will. For embracing and turning change or the unknown into something spectacular that. That is breathtaking. So let's take a journey backward in time. It could be last year if you want. It could be birth or pre birth. But I would love to know about a significant pivot. I know it's something that our audience, our community loves to hear the stories of people who've pivoted, whether it's, again, business, personal health, or otherwise. And not only what was going on and the vulnerability piece that was triggered in that, whatever that situation might have been, but also what did you learn? What's the wisdom that you came away with? Because this show is called the conscious pivot. And I think that's what we're all about, is making conscious pivot better choices. And we do that when we're more conscious, and we can't always do that ahead of having some tough experiences in life.

So, yeah, I so love the. I love the question, the questioning. You know, it's so funny when you have pivots. Sometimes when you're going through it, you kind of can't tell it's a pivot. You know, all you know is it's a dismantling.

It's a complete annihilation of the. Of the structure of my life in this moment.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. You know, and, you know, there's that, there's that, there's that pivot, but there's also the conscious pivot. It's the one, you know, you're going through uncomfortable and you're systematically taking it down, as opposed to it just being taken down for you.

Well, it's like you're building a house. You design a house, or you. Or do you simply have them show up, like on the, on the job site with a bunch of wood and a bunch of nails and hammers? 1. One is a design way of looking at construction of something, and the other is by default, something will be built by default. And I think a lot of us are leading lives often by default and in default mode. So, yes, please take us to that.

I think I've had a couple. I've had my own versions of it, but the one that feels very significant and because I mentor a lot of business owners here in the Los Angeles area area in their businesses outside of just my own business, mostly women who are starting their companies. But I was a showrunner, so I worked in television talk shows. My background, Miami nominations are from Donny and Marie, but I produced for Maury Povich and Geraldo and Montel Williams and CNBC and Wall Street Journal Television and then I moved to Los Angeles from New York City to launch a lot of startup talk shows as well as we did a lot of pilots and so and I really enjoyed it. I was a showrunner for two TV show and around the 2004, 2006 period. One was from for TV Guide channel, the other one was for AMC. I was the showrunner and the one show was called Sunday Morning Shootout. And some of our guests at that time in 2006 included Harvey Weinstein, Brett Ratner, Kevin Spacey.

Holy smokes.

Let me see who else was in that. Oh, Jeremy Piven.

Oh, no way.

This is one of those pivots that happens to you.

Interesting.

So I was in the process of. I had just gotten my first book published by Sourcebooks out of Naperville, Chicago. Get on tv pitching the producers and promoting yourself. I was just on the COVID of Women's World magazine. This show had gotten to the hundredth episode. We did have Stephen Spielberg on who is not doesn't have the same. It's not as. Doesn't resonate with the same list but. And there was a congrats in the variety and. And I just bought my house first house. And my biggest fear, biggest fear was that I would lose my job after my first house. And they gave me.

Are you feeling that right now? Is that what just came up?

Well they. Yeah, I did see that.

Well I did. I saw the emotion come. This is available on YouTube as well as you know when we are podcasting. So it's great. That's beautiful that you let yourself feel that.

So they gave me the, you know we're gonna go in another direction lecture after the hundredth episode which was a huge deal. And here I have this brand new house in West Los Angeles and I not going to make my first mortgage payment with. With the paychecks that I've been receiving.

So your fear was materialized like that.

I'm a great manifestor.

Wow.

So I am very conscious about what I focus on and so that's what happened. But as a result of it this. I've been in the house 12 years and I'm going through a remodel right now. Speaking of another pivot like symbolically and externally I made a payment. The time I made my mortgage payment was off the business. So that business supported me. TV guest for TV guest for publishing, TV on camera training. So fear was never realized the way I expected it to be in a self destructive way. And also I later get, you know, you just watch also what happened through the industry, the wave, the crescendo last year, hashtag, me too, all of that. And you know, it's just like I got moved out of the way of something that I was not ultimately in my best interest. But sometimes when you're going through those moments and times, because it was a very fun show to produce. We went to the Cannes Film Festival. We were at Sundance. It was such a fabulous time in my, in my career. But that was a pivot. That was a. Definitely a pivot that I wouldn't say I was choosing. It happened to me, but I did pivot and got my entrepreneurial swim legs on really fast and never looked back.

Yeah, that's interesting. I even wrote down is describing pivots. There's the with you pivot and the to you pivot. And that's that sort of design and default. So I appreciate that, that languaging of it. Yeah, it's a, it's so interesting. And how many people are out there that, that are also have gotten their entrepreneurial swim. Swim fins on, you know, and have had to do that.

And that's been my give back. Because, you know, I think when you're, when you ask, when you're running a TV show anyway, you kind of run it like an entrepreneur. I mean, you're given budget. So I had, I had the architecture to run a business. But, you know, if you are not. If you don't have the architecture to structure a business, it cannot, it can go a lot of different ways. You know, so with the, with work, with the work we do here at TV Gaspart, when promoting, you know, using PR and media to promote people's business, I'm also very specific of how that translates to the growth of their business. Like, what is the actual ROI of it? Sometimes it's just the exposure. And that's enough because it is the credibility. Sometimes it's clients, sometimes it's selling books, sometimes it's a setup for the next narrative that you're going to be creating. So I pay attention to those having had that experience. And you know, in speaking.

Yeah, I mean, you spoke, you spoke reality into existence on some level. How often we do that, I just don't know that everybody's conscious of the fact that they have that, that degree of. And I don't typically discuss that or it doesn't come up often on this show because. And I don't know why. I mean, it's. It's one of those things that is sort of in the, in the book of what's true. When we speak things just like in the, in the Bible. And I don't, I'm not, I'm not religion, I'm not a religion guy, but I certainly really think there's great, there's great wisdom in the Bible and certainly there's even greater wisdom in the interpretation of those stories and everything that's, that's there to witness and even the first, you know, in the beginning there is light. And it's, it's God that says let there be light. It's speaking something into existence. At least that's one way to interpret it. And so how often we are speaking things into our existence, we say let there be light or let there be darkness all the time, don't we?

So I was not going here at all because you gave me a great lead into something that you actually don't know about because you're speaking into existence. The story I'm going to tell, the book that I'm working on personally for myself is actually the limitation of language and how our language is the limitation of our consciousness because we confine definitions by words and our ability to communicate. And I think it's always so funny. And just as a biblical reference, I think light language that you chew just said was the first language light and sound, you know, and then it got for us where we are now, it got very truncated. And I was in Scotland a couple years ago and you know, and I've been through Ireland and Scotland and really enjoyed hearing, hearing the Gaelic language, which you can see our language is a drop down from the lighter, the lightness of that language. So anyway, it's an interesting language itself, is an interesting construct is where I'm going with that. But I'm writing that out in a future book of mine as well. So you brought it up, you called it into speaking. You were making the original point about my biggest fear. Yes, and yeah, so I get that. It's funny as where has fear played.

A role in your life other than in that particular situation? Because that's another one of those topics that I think people, they sort of wear it internally. They don't walk around going, hey, by the way, I'm really scared right now. And here's what I'm really scared about. Like, who does that?

I would definitely not say I'm immune to fear. Would never claim that. I think that if you, you know, I would probably be a. Be my light and not be necessary to be on a planet anymore if that were true. But I have made a significant peace with fear in my Life. Like, I have a separate relationship with fear. Fear. Fear is no longer me. I believe that I was. I lived in so much fear and terror that it was the anxiety. And I spent my whole life running a little bit ahead of it, and that was the world I was creating. Now that it's not something that is. I don't feel like it's. It is me. It is. Has its own. I'm like, oh, there we are. Fear. Oh, we're having a fear moment. Oh, look at that. I have a lot healthier relationship to fear with fear. So I. So it's funny because I. As a pivot now, I feel you said. I love what you said. Pivot to me or pivot by me.

With. With you. Pivot or to you?

Yes. So now I'm feel that I have the consciousness to have a much better pivot by me as opposed to one that's done to me. So instead of being, you know, having the universe throw a dismantlement upon me for me to move through the lessons, I'm able to understand that I'm going to go through an internal change that's going to reflect an externalized reconstruction of my reality of my existence. And I always say in terms of fear or discomfort, my practice is getting comfortable with the discomfort. Like, that discomfort is not going anywhere. So now my work is to be. My internal work is to become very comfortable with my discomfort. And I do that with fear. I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to be very comfortable with this fear right now. And I like fear in a weird way because it's activating and nothing will move you out of your comfort zone sometimes, like, fear will.

That's true.

So fear will keep you in your comfort zone too. But.

Mm. Is. So the dialogue that you're describing, this is very much your. Your inner dialogue. Like, you're not just. This is not explaining it for the purposes of our audience. This is you actually having a dialogue with yourself, right?

Yeah, exactly. I talk like this on every podcast I ever do.

But I mean, with you and you, that's exactly it.

I'm like, okay, here I got some fear. I could feel it. Where is it? In the body?

Yes.

What's it really on or what am I trying to place it on? I love, love the displacement. Sometimes I pretend it's over here when it's really right here. I don't want to deal with right here.

Right up in your grill.

Throw it over here and do a little bait and switch to myself or bait and switch to somebody. Else, you know, like.

So I would love to know your thoughts on resilience. What do you think about the word, how you define it? What's the importance of it in your life, Business or personal life, or both? Yeah.

Because we're just talking about a book that I'm working on about language. So I see resilence in the word resilience.

Interesting. Yeah, resilence. Okay.

So immediately what I think of when I see resilience is going back in, pulling it back in and getting real quiet. And if I were to tune into where my own strength or resilience comes from, it would come from that place of tuning back into myself and pulling myself back into me, you know, into me, you know, and fortifying my own strength again as necessary. Because, you know, life happens on life's terms. You know, we're not, you know, the one thing's about the laws of attraction, conversation, or the manifestation conversation, which I sometimes offensively say is also spiritual kindergarten, is that we're also not in control of a lot of things, no matter how much. How much we wish, really think it's so.

I didn't know. I haven't noticed that actually. Right. Hmm.

Be a very different place, right?

Oh, yeah, for sure.

So with some. So resilience is something that, you know, because, yeah, we're in a lot of moving dynamics that we can't control. Resilience is a really important place within. Within this, within the self, at least for me, that I need to be in touch with so that I can fortify.

How important is it to you, do you think, in the, in your evolution, in the evolutionary process, for you personally, that concept of refortifying or going in and becoming quiet to get. To gain some insight?

Oh, yeah. I'm. Professionally, I'm like this. Personally. I'm a hermit. I put it out. I put it all out. I put it out for everybody else. I push forward, and then I have to come right back, back in. I'm like, literally like the ocean. I'm a big wave, and then I recede back in. Yeah. So that is. Would be my rhythm.

Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, it's. So the, The. The path that you're on right now, is this been the path you've been on for a very long time, or did you deviate from that at some point in the past?

You know, I was six years old. I think I was six. 1960, 1976, 1977. And I was schooled in a particular religion, but I saw Star wars and I was like, the Force. Somebody else Other than me gets it. So I kind of like had that inside all along. But what unlike people who go out to seek it, I didn't, I wasn't in a situation where it was reflected back to me. So the structures, the society, the family, you know, not to anybody's fault, just it was that, that wasn't reflected back to me. So I always questioned it. I always questioned that sensibility about myself. And it's taken me this long in my life now to be really solid about it. So that would be my resilience. And it's been a fortifying piece of certainty about who I am and what I know. So yes, the answer to the question, it's been there a long time.

And it's not endurance. I mean, when you, when you're talking about resilience, it's not, it's not endurance by itself. Right. It's not just about perseverance. Is it is about only determination or is it more holistic in nature than that resilience?

So resilience to me is, it reminds me, remember that blow up dollars like it's knocked down and then comes up again.

And he can.

Yeah, because I feel like with resilience, resilience is that inner part of ourselves that that will hold us up even through circumstances of maybe of our own doing or undoing, but also life on life's terms. And I think that we really need resilience when we're dealing with life on life's terms. Like, I think that's a really beautiful quality about resilience, but it is an endurance. And I don't think endurance sometimes can be a sister to tolerance. And I don't know necessarily if tolerance is always in our best interests.

Almost like acceptance, you know. So the serenity prayer is really, is really one of these things people love. I love it. It's great. And you know, I certainly want to be wise enough to know the things, the battles I should fight and the ones that I should just simply not fight or accept. But there's a difference between when dealing with change, what you were talking about earlier about fear and change, change, anything that's unknown brings fear to the, to the forefront. And to be able to use that, utilize it to create an alchemy, which is the word used earlier as well, around that change, we have to do more than just accept it. Acceptance is almost like resignation or tolerance the way you describe it. And to me, embracing that change, making, as I think Ram Dass said, making change, making friends with change, I would say making change your Best friend. Because in this world we're living in, the fact that change is so prolific, it's with us all the time, it's exponentially more so every day. To simply tolerate it or to accept it is still to. Or endure it. Yes.

Oh, grudgingly endure is like.

Does sound like that. I'm just thinking in terms of where even where companies are. So we've got a lot of people in this community or entrepreneurs are running small companies or have started them up on the side, etc. How important is that for companies, do you think, to be. To have that resilience be one of their core qualities, the core value even?

This is a smart question because for the company that we have, we've been in business 1212 years, we're solvent. I love that we've been through so many disruptions already. Industry disruptions that are out of our hands. When we started TV Guest Sport, there was no Facebook, there was no social media. And TV Guest spirit was this idea of creating a community of experts for television producers was in its simplicity. Facebook, we're actually upstairs from Facebook and we share a floor with Instagram. Ironically it just happened that way. But that's where we're at in Playa Vista. But they did not exist. When I started TV Guest for I was just trying to do some sort of online match.com for my producing colleagues for my media consulting clients that I had. It was really what that started at. So I have had to pivot my company many times in the culture of the entertainment industry because that has changed. I just met with a filmmaker this past week who has done some projects. I think we're going to be able to bring some financing into an upcoming project that he needs to do. But even the culture of studio systems has changed fast. Social media to me is still the wild wild west. Our company just started offering these what we're calling 365 days of social media campaigns where we pre shoot, pre produce your lineup of content so we can do a multi layer narrative over a course of a year and you're not just putting stuff up every day so that we're actually creating a story. But that to me, but the social media game of becoming famous and having followers and how does that really translate to money in your pocket or your business? A lot of those things are still to be determined. So for us, the resilience of us as a company has had to stay really true to our core business. Let go of the services or the applications within our business that are already timed out and step forward, but all while holding on to our core business. And so we've had to navigate, I am always amazed because we've had to stay technologically competitive because of where we are and what we do and where we compete, where we also prosper. So we've had a lot of shifts to navigate in a very tight 12 years. It's been amazing. But yeah, resilience would be definitely it. And I'm, you know, I'm looking at all the cannabis businesses that are happening, proliferating, you know, it's a whole nother disruption of businesses and a whole new industry that's taking on. So there's a lot of, a lot of room for opportunity. And I think the old, but the old paradigm is definitely dying out. I don't feel that the new paradigm is completely defined in its structure, which is awesome and in a really entrepreneurial spirit way, but at the same time, it's a little like you're too ahead of your time. You're literally two ahead of your time.

Yeah, interesting. I would love to get in the couple of minutes we've got left, share a little bit about that old paradigm that you feel is dying out. Because I know you and I kind of had a little laugh about that earlier, but I'd love to dive, dive below the surface just a little bit there.

Yes, Well, I, you know, I think the old paradigm was definitely self serving. I think we're, we're getting, I think, you know, especially what we're doing, we're getting way more involved in community, community collaboration, cooperation, as, you know, principals, you know, everybody's listening to this podcast, is already in alignment with that, but those structures are just, are not gonna, not gonna hold even in the entertainment industry where, you know, big studio buys an entire market share for $150 million to make a movie successful. So, and we're just, you know, I feel like what we're doing as entrepreneurs is really literally pulling the bricks out from the bottom of it. Even if we're not the main disruptor, we're pulling the bricks out, you know, and it's just gonna stack a bag, just gonna fall, might collapse down. And it's needed to be. The old structures are, you know, profit, single decision makers, not, you know, team leaders. The one thing the millennials really are bringing to the table in the workforce, in my opinion, is they're really bringing that whole team collaboration. Like they, they definitely don't hold the old paradigm structure. Not to say that their structure is perfect either, but they old. The older structure of that tutorial, patriarchal.

You know, this hierarchical.

And it's gonna go away with. Also with the. With the way we people earn their money, and it's really gonna shift out.

Yeah. Is that related to the guru thing? When you said kind of the gurudoma is going. Going out?

Yeah. And then why that's a big, big deal to me is because I am in the business of promoting. And one could. You know, I know that we're sometimes perceived as making gurus. You know, what I hope that we are really good at doing is helping people express their professional wisdom to a larger audience that can benefit from it. That's where we like to intend from. But I do think that that whole guru thing is good because people. Here's the other thing I know for my business, people are tired of being told what to do. If you're good, if you're going to tell them what to do it, they want to see how you do it.

Yeah.

They want to know that you've gone through it, which is what your books are about. They want to know that you've experienced it. Now I'm going to listen to you because you had the experience. That's where the credibility comes in, is that you're going to be. You're going to be following people because they actually have. They walk their talk. They just don't tell us because we're done with that. Like, watch what I do, but don't. Don't do what I do, but watch.

Yeah. What's that old expression? I have great advice that I'm not using. Would you like it?

Yeah, that one, too. That's exactly it.

All right. Well, I'd love to find out in terms of how it is that we are constantly pivoting and pivoting. The ability to successfully pivot or consciously pivot helps you to become more resilient. That's part of what came through in this conversation. What are the things that you do on a ritualistic basis, the things you consciously doing that are sort of step beyond a habit? I think of habits as being very much unconscious things we do, but those conscious habits or rituals that support you in evolving and being able to pivot as things change around you?

Yeah. They say if you do a good deed and you tell someone about it, it doesn't count. So. But this morning I dropped off like 10 bags of ice at the West Los Angeles dog shelter because it's been really hot here. You know, like just a simple thing like that wasn't a big deal. Wasn't a Lot of money. Just dropped off a couple like that keeps me tuned up into service for others. I'm also, I'm big on, like, sacred quiet space. I take a lot of input during the day and a lot of communication during the day. So my, my bedroom life doesn't have a lot of technology. It has no technology. I like, you know, I like the silence. I love silence. When I get silence, I'm like, I could marinate in it. I'm really about silence. You know, I'm a high. I drink tons of water. It's water with my mint leaves, like, you know. Right, Yep, exactly. And always with the hydration. I mean, I don't think it's. It doesn't have to be complicated and it doesn't have to, you know, be enlightenment on a mountain. And I love what. It's Buddha, right? Buddha says what happens when you reach enlightenment? You chop wood, fetch water, like that's it. You know, I try to make healthy food choices. I try to sleep well. I try to try to be kind to others, you know, and I take, you know, I make sure I'm in alignment with my actions, words, thoughts, deeds on a daily basis or, you know, so I think those are. It doesn't have to be that complicated. And I love, you know, that's. Did I answer that question?

You did, and I'm marinating in your answer. So I really appreciate that greatly. I appreciate you so much, Jackie.

Thank you so much.

Wonderful, wonderful person to have on the show. I hope all of you have, as I have enjoyed this time, enjoyed listening to what I feel is great wisdom that comes from somebody that's been in the business space, seen a lot of disruption and not just managed it or survived it, but is really thriving in it. And I, I think that's a daily. That's daily practice. The things that you do contribute to that. So if you have enjoyed this episode, please leave a review. If you for some reason have other feedback, we're asking you to please leave a review. I mean, I'd love the five star reviews, but what your feedback is, is so important to us. It's how we grow. So you can leave a review on itunes. You can leave a comment@adammarkel.com podcast of course, if you haven't joined our Facebook community yet, really is a wonderful group of people who are pivoting very much in the ways that we've been discussing today. And you can get there by going to startmypivot.com or you can go to pivotfb.com and that'll take you to the front door as well and join that community, which would be lovely to just have you with us. Before we finish out, I would love to remind myself and remind all of you that how we begin our day, the ritual that we have for how we start a day, is as important a thing as I know. So there's not that many things I'm that confident in. This is one of them. The first thoughts that you have, the first actions you take upon waking. So my hope, my prayer, my gratitude is that you wake up tomorrow. That we all get to wake up tomorrow, because it's not guaranteed. It was no guarantee we'd wake up today, and yet we did. And when you do wake up tomorrow and you realize that you are, in fact, oh, listen to the guy on the podcast. Yes, he said something about waking up. And you realize, yes, I am waking up now. And you're conscious of it. You're taking that first breath. You can remind yourself there are people everywhere who are taking their very last breath as you're taking your first. So regardless of what challenge there might be in your life or things that maybe you just don't want to do today, or whatever, maybe your mood is just for whatever reason you're waking up and feeling like I'm a little down or something, recognize that that's a blessing, that that breath is a gift. It's holy, it's sacred.

And.

And if nothing else comes to you in that moment that you could be grateful for, be grateful for that breath. But obviously, we have so many things to be grateful for. And I'll leave it to you to create your list and allow yourself to marinate in that feeling upon waking. And then lastly, so step one is wake up. Step two, to be grateful in that moment. And step three, if you're willing to say it, to declare it out loud. I'm actually wearing the shirt today. I don't wear it every day or every podcast, but it does say it on the shirt. I love my life. I love my life. I love my life. I hope you do as well. We'll see you soon, everybody. Ciao for now.

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