LIve Conversation with Guest Anxiety Warrior Elke Scholz

right into it. Yeah. And Elka, right? They say yes. So hi, welcome everyone. We know we just jump right into the conversation. So there's no video, no fun anything in the beginning. But this is third time with Elka and I'm really appreciative of it because we've got some things to talk about. And Elka is here just to set the stage to give you tips, tips on how to deal with anxiety in others. So not also, right, Elke, not just the anxiety that we may have, but how do you help someone else? So, Elke, can you share your background because you got a lot of initials and I love them all.

Sure, yeah, I know, it's just funny sometimes. Anyways, I have a private practice in Ontario and so I do consider myself working full-time, so it's— I work with trauma, anxiety, depression. So those are kind of the main, main things that I work with. So I'm a registered psychotherapist. So that means, you know, we need to be accountable, we're accredited. So that's in the province of Ontario. Then I also have my master's. And actually, it's interesting, those initials with the expressive arts, I have some more. It's an international standing for a certified EMDR therapist. As well as a registered education consultant for expressive arts. So yeah, that keeps me busy. I love doing blogs, radio shows. My mission and what gives me joy is when I can help people and give them strategies so they feel better. I believe everybody deserves to thrive. This is a miracle of life and we deserve to enjoy our lives. And yeah, so I hope that's it in a nutshell.

How many, how many, Elka, how many of you are there? Like, so with what, with not only the practice that you do, but then adding the art to it?

Well, and you know, that's, that's a great question, Adrienne, because what happens is we go to school, we get our master's, and then our real education begins. So, you know, you think that university is education. Well, your education is your practical work. And so my fascination, and this is an answer to your question, is neuroscience, which is expressive arts as well as EMDR therapy. So what is interesting about that is, so, and this is really good, it's a great question because when you're looking for somebody to support you, You know, what is it that you want to look at? What they're interested in, what their specialties are, because I, I can't possibly do all genres. So let's say addictions. I don't work with addictions. Isn't that I don't want to help somebody. It's just that I haven't done all that extra studying in that. You know, there's different specialties. So what you want to do is read people's biography. You want to interview that therapist and just ask them. And people do that. People phone and they'll say, well, do you work with children or do you work with da da da da da? And are these some things that you are comfortable working with? And, you know, a good therapist is going to say yes or no. And if, if, if I can't, then what I, what I tell people is I give them resources as where they can go to get that help. And I also always tell people, you know, if they have any trouble just to come back and I'll help them. Get the proper support that they need. And not everybody needs a therapist. Sometimes we need life coaching, and that's different than therapy. So it's really understanding, you know, what you want. And interview— please don't be afraid to interview your therapist.

Oh, that's a good, that's a good point. That's a good point. So growing up, I remember my mom explained to me that she had depression, and I always was confused because You know, she— I didn't understand what that really looked like and meant, and I didn't know how to help her, but she never seemed like she had depression. So that's— I think that's where I want to start with, is the fact that— because I don't— I just— and why is it—

why—

let me ask that crazy question. Why is it that I don't have depression? Why is it that my anxiety I have is nothing more than, you know, your normal average anxiety? So why am I wired so differently?

Well, you know, and that's a great question too because it's about perspective. And it doesn't make you less than or either way. It doesn't matter. So, you can get and put 10 of us in a room. You can expose us to the same type of stimulation or situation. We're all going to feel differently about it. We're all going to react differently about it. None of it is a right or wrong. One of the things is, you know, just to know that whatever you're feeling— I had a client today, this morning before we met, and they said, "Is what I'm feeling unreasonable?" And that's not possible. So, what you're feeling, what you're going through, just honor that. Just look at it as clues, look at it as opportunities. If you need help with it, go a little bit deeper. And yeah, so It's not wrong. There's not a right or wrong. What we may want to look at is if we're always staying in one emotion. So, if you're staying in sadness or staying in grief, then maybe there you want to look at that. If you're looking at, you know, we can talk about what depression looks like and what anxiety looks like. And anxiety, you're right, it's part of our humanness. And anxiety doesn't need to be debilitating. It's not right or wrong. It's just a clue to say, hey, What's going on? Do you need to pay attention to it? However, if any of these emotions get stuck or they're debilitating, then that's when we want to get some help. We need to do some reflection. So for you, you know, you probably have set up your life in a way that you feel good about things. It could be how you feed your spirit, how you— maybe it's your perspective. And those are all things that do affect how we feel. So I say, you know, congratulations, that's great, that's awesome.

Thank you. And I've always, I've always respected that and have been pleased that I have this kind of personality with a lot of energy. And but, but I, I understand, like, you know, so I've had a family member that at one point finding out that like when you, when you do have any kind of mental illness. And if you're using medication, sometimes it can become toxic, and then that could be an issue. And so I've always said, you know, I can't— I can have empathy, but I can't— I haven't been in those shoes. But yet I do kind of can understand what that would be like. And to me, the first thing is no judgment. Like, I would never judge someone for whatever they're feeling. And then At 59, wait, was it? Yeah, 58 actually, just to give myself a year, I found out that my daughter Alana suffers from anxiety. And so she turned 16 yesterday and she wanted to, she felt that if she had gotten, if she got her industrial ear and then she wanted a nose ring and then she wanted the septum and she said that'll give her confidence. And so I'm actually saying this because I did allow her to get all three. She went in for the ear on Sunday, And then she did the nose and the ring, and I was like so nervous, but I didn't want to take it from her because she felt that it would give— she is very strong, first of all. She had like no, zero pain, and but she was able to do it. And then last night when I went to go to bed, I did have a little anxiety. I said to my husband, I'm like, oh my God, I could not ever have anything in my nose like that. Like, how is she sleeping? How is she comfortable? Did I make a mistake? And so I went into a room to talk with her, and she's like, no, I'm fine. Like, it's totally good. And I'm like, you do know that we could take it out at any time? Like, you you or not, I wanted you to have it, but it is something that can be removed. But what do you think about that? Like, do you think that could something like the, the piercings give a little confidence, or what do you think's going on? That—

well, that's, that's, that's also great. Um, yeah, so my take on it is we need to trust our bodies, and each body is different. Like, um, you know, again, it is, you know, like you and I— I'm going to say that for me too. I, I wouldn't want a nose piercing. I always I always think, oh my gosh, you know, or I see some of them anyways. And I, and I know my daughter has them too, and that's her statement. You know, I think it's got to be what feels right for you. And all through time as humans, we've adorned ourselves. Like tattoos are not new, piercings are not new. And when you look at different cultures, they do different things. And it is an adornment of sorts. And, you know, whether it's jewelry or, you know, makeup, clothing, how we present ourselves is adornment. And it's got to feel right for us. And that's so important is that we feel good inside our skin. And so, if you're not feeling good inside your skin, then look at that. What would take you to the next level? Is it a diet change? You know, is it something you want to do physically? Is it something you need to do mentally or maybe emotionally and spiritually? Is how, how are you going to support yourself? And, and it's a great question because it's not going to be the same answer for everybody. So when I, when I present something, whether it's like a talk like you and I, or, and I think that's why, you know, we have so much fun together when we talk because we kind of come, come to that place. And the way I've written my books is also like that. It's like this smorgasbord is— it's a presentation and just really listening to that person. And you did that, you listened to your daughter. And, you know, of course you want her to feel good, you're her mom. So, so then you, you let her have that. And she may have that for always and always feel good about it.

So isn't that funny? I I want her to feel good, but then I feel like I was experiencing the pain. And I'm like, holy— I could not ever in my million years. I was like, Alana, you're so strong to do that. So I asked her, and I looked up the history. So I'm glad you said that. And I said, if someone says to you, why, can you formulate what it is that you wanted? And we kind of had that conversation. And then I said, what if I did say I was going to give you a tattoo, which she's going to wait. But she showed me. I said, what would that be? And she had an eye. And a figure of a beautiful woman like laying sideways. And she explained to me that the eye represents anxiety of people always looking and having to handle that anxiety. And then how you feel when you want to just like be by yourself. I actually think I'm encouraging my daughter to really— she's a great writer— to share those thoughts because she's now at that age of 16 where she can reflect back on her youth and all the things that were taking place and her learning disabilities. And then move forward to want to help someone else. So I think she is in a good situation. But it's funny, I want to make her feel good, but like, my gosh. Okay, but now can we talk about what happened? So I told Elka, didn't know what happened last night, and I didn't watch the Academy Awards either, but with the news, I'm like addicted to the news. And so I saw it, and it's funny, I can't— people are so judgmental. Like, I saw it, and you know, I just, I cannot ever contribute to like, I feel this way. Like, when I saw it, I thought to myself, okay, you know, this happened. This is now an example of what we have to start talking about. We have to teach people you cannot just— how do you hold your anger? So at that point that Will Smith— we're talking about what happened at the Academy Awards. Chris Rock said a joke. I'm not talking the joke was a good joke or a bad joke, or he shouldn't have said the joke, but what we all saw was was Will Smith getting off, you know, laughing and then getting off stage, hitting him, coming back and really yelling, um, really. And you could see the anger. And I understand that anger is an emotion. He had very a lot of anger. And then an hour later apologizing. And the only thought that went through my head— there was no like, oh my God, I don't judge— but I was just like, wow, I hope that— I, I think that I have the control that no matter how angry I am, I could never hit another person. I would never I'm just not in a position to hit anyone, so I don't see that. I would never yell. So without— I know you didn't see it, but people watching now have these two sides and they're understanding. But really, is it the answer to discuss about the coping mechanism when you get so angry and obviously the loyalty you have to a family member and the importance of making sure— how do we teach our kids now that may have seen this that it's not okay to get up and slap someone?

Right. And I didn't see the slap and so, I don't know if it was, you know, again reactive like what you were saying. And so, here's the thing. Anger itself is not wrong. It's not wrong that he got angry. However, what happens is the strategy. So, the strategy is how we meet our needs. So, he obviously was feeling very defensive and protective towards his wife. And so his strategy probably wasn't the best strategy. So what we can do is teach our children and just say, you know, it's really important. And like you said, not to judge the anger, that, that wasn't wrong. It wasn't wrong that he got angry or that he got triggered. And like you said, now people are, you know, people do that, they take the sides. So, so some people obviously were also triggered by that on either side. So that isn't wrong in itself. What— where we get into trouble is then the strategy, and I've got my hands up here. So, so if here's the anger, and here's the outcome, you know, we have to think about what strategy is going to get us the outcome that that we are looking for. So if he wanted a recantation or an apology from the speaker, he could have handled it perhaps a different way. And, you know, I don't think it's wrong always. I don't think it's always wrong to yell either. And sometimes, but I'm not sure, I wasn't there. So it's like we need to look at You know, what is it that we're trying to accomplish? And maybe that's what he did too, after some reflection, kind of thought, okay, that's not really where I wanted to go. That's not what I wanted to accomplish. Though apologizing publicly is one thing, though it's still not finished, you see. So, so the lesson for children watching this is kind of to work through the whole thing and just say, you know, what was he like? What happened? What is it that like happened for you. So each child may feel different. Some children would just go, "Meh," or other children would be very affected by it. And so the learning is, okay, so what did he go through? You know, okay, he yelled or he went and slapped this guy. Was this really getting his need met? Because I think his need was to protect his wife and that he felt disrespected from what you said earlier. And so is that really meeting his needs? And, and no, we could say no, not really. And so he thought about that. And he apologized for it. However, you know, it's really interesting that, you know, there isn't any dialogue with the person that created that discomfort in Will and his wife, right? So, and that needs more conversation. And so maybe, and I, and I understand I understand some of these comedians and MCs, they can get pretty cutting with some of the remarks, because I have heard from other MCs and, you know, sometimes they admit these things and as stand-up comedy comics. So, you know, again, is, you know, maybe we can have more conversation. So that's what we would do as a family member or a parent to just say, okay, You know, what would have been a better solution? And TV, it doesn't really present an accurate form of, you know, whether we say a restorative circle or healing. And now the news you were sharing that now the news and whatever headline is coming out that they may take this award from him is very punitive. And again, is it really resolving anything? And so the teaching moment is, you know, how can we do this differently? And we're not gonna really hear some of the resolution or maybe some of these conversations, which is really a shame. And who knows what's gonna happen in the weeks coming, right?

So smart, Elka. The interesting part too, by the way, is that he had to walk. So he had to get out of his chair, he had to walk to the stage, he had to go up the stage, He had to walk towards Chris. So it wasn't like standing in front of someone where you're like, oh my God, you just said that and you hit your child or your spouse or family member. But like, so that anger just propelled him. And I get that too. The color of red is really a color of anger. But yeah, parents have a conversation about this. And then while you're having a conversation, I think, Elke, how do we get people to understand that you can't tell someone, you know, whether it's an employee, whoever it is, well, just shake it off. Oh, come on, just go take a walk. You're gonna feel better. Oh, just drink the coffee. It's gonna give you energy. Like, how do we get people to have more empathy and more understanding that someone is going through something and you just don't really know what it is? 'Cause nowadays I think everyone would like to put a doctor at the end of their name because everyone thinks that they know exactly what's happening and the passion of politics, you know, so-and-so shouldn't do this. And I'm thinking, you don't even really know. You're just kind of like watching the news. So how do we get people to really take a step back and open up their heart more, have more empathy, and try to help and not judge?

Yeah, great. I love your questions.

I really do. These are live questions.

Just great questions. So one of the, one of the big things that we miss doing is acknowledgement. And so whenever we have a feeling, and it's interesting, you know, when you— let's go back to the anxiety you felt. And I get that kind of— somebody describes kind of a gory thing, I get the heebie-jeebies. However, you know, one of the things you did is you acknowledged your anxiety. And then, you know, you acknowledged it, and then you went And then you just talked and checked in with your daughter and you took care of your needs. And then it calmed down. So what we tend to do, so when somebody's upset, is we tend to, and our culture has done this, is, you know, suck it up, buttercup, get over it, shake it off. We say those things which are very dismissive. And so what happens, Adrienne, is that person has been negated, and then they usually tend to feel bad, or they may try to stuff it away. However, it just keeps brewing or gets worse. They may even get a little bit louder or more agitated. So the first thing we want to do, and this is a technique, whether it's with a toddler, teenager, your partner, employee, you mentioned, is just say, "Wow, you sound really upset." That's it. Or you're with a little child, they may not understand the word upset, but maybe you're really sad, or are you mad? And just really let them know that you're hearing them. And that's so, so important. And we've got to do that with ourselves. So, when you said that, and so we got to practice too. So, if we get very activated, you know, this energy just gets us going, then what we have to say is, wow, you know, wow, did that ever get to me, right? So that's the first thing we've got to say is, whoo, that's big. Okay, just feel it, be there. And what happens, this is so fascinating, and we talk about, you know, losing losing our minds. And as soon as we do that, that question and that acknowledgement, it slows it down. So, it just calms us a little bit more. You'll see it'll actually calm the person down. And I've had kids in here, even in my private practice, come storming in, you know, angry. And I just say, what's going on? And they tell me. And then I just go, wow, tell me a little bit more about that. What's going on? Like, how is that feeling? And what's going on for you? And so, what happens is especially children, they know you're hearing them. And I'll give you a little example and then they calm down. So here's an example. And I had this little guy come in and he was so mad and he was just, you know, slammed the door and came in and stomped down and he said, "I suck at soccer." And he's just 8, right? So bless his soul. Of course, I didn't laugh in front of him. And I said, wow, well, tell me about it. What happened? So he told me and I said, wow, that must have felt really bad. And he felt he let the team down. He was just 8. And then as soon as I did that, he was, okay, now what are we going to do today? And he let it go. Now what happens is parents— and this was what was happening actually with his parents. So when a kid comes in and says, I suck, I suck at soccer, or my drawing is terrible, or I'm no good at art. "Right away as a parent, we go, 'Oh no, no, no, honey. Your art is good. It's beautiful,' or 'Oh, you're a great soccer player.'" So what have we really done? Right? We're not listening and we just negated that person's feelings. Right? We've just said, "You shouldn't feel that way. That's a terrible thing to do." And now, that person is either going to— and we do it as babies, we do it to little children. How often has a mother said, "You're not hungry right now." That kid is hungry, right? That 2-year-old, 3-year-old, they're telling you they're hungry. You know, you don't say, "No, you're not hungry." Or they say, "I'm thirsty." So many mothers say, "No, you're not thirsty. You know, just stop it." But really what we need to say is, "Honey, can you just wait? I'm busy right now." Or, "Sweetie, I'll give you a little snack. Just give mommy a minute," right? So, what we need to do is acknowledge and listen. And once a child, so I'm just sticking with the child idea, is once they get it, once they know that we've really heard them, that's when we can do the teaching moment. Or maybe we do it later in the evening, you know, when we're doing cuddle time and we're reading them a book and we can say, you know, I was watching you at soccer today and I saw some of those passes you did. They were really, really good. You know, and the child will be okay with listening to that, and that's when you can do the teaching moment and just say, you know, I want to just keep encouraging you, and I know you missed that one goal, but you know, hey, how do you want to practice tomorrow, and let's sharpen your skills. You know, we do it, right?

I know, I totally agree with you, Elke. I just, I'm going to just be honest with you, I feel like a lot of people just don't have The ability, so the, the, and the empathy. So I have two questions. The first one, I'll ask them separately. The first one is, do you remember like when I was pregnant, I would read the book like what your child's expected to do at 9 months and 18 months and 2 years and 5 years and blah blah blah? But it just, it just— not the anxiety. So I'm talking about the ability to help someone that's dealing with anxiety. So family member, employee, blah blah blah.

Okay.

Is your age make a difference in your empathy? Like, I feel right now that I have the ability to really be able to, uh, to, to do things correct. And I've always wanted to do things correct. I like things done the right way. But, you know, my strategies would have been different in my teens and 20s and each decade. So I'd love to see a book on that, actually, like what your decade means and how you can help someone. Because how do you support someone if you don't Maybe you're just, maybe that person that wants to support. So, you know, I know I'm different at every age because my brain— what is it? Am I wrong? And I don't even know how to pronounce, how to say this correctly. What do you think?

I think you are. And you did ask, you know, how do we open people's hearts? And I think it's part of that. And so not everybody is going to be empathetic. Though I think that's why I brought the model of acknowledgement. If we can just acknowledge, so, and I think that is a little bit of a small form of empathy. And yeah, so I mean, one of my favorite words is curiosity. And you're right. I don't think we're all so curious because we're getting triggered, right? And as a parent, we're trying to make things better. So when we hear this, you know, we don't want our children to feel badly, though our children want to learn, our children want correction. And even with art drawings is— so then, you know, as you're asking about, you know, does age make a difference? I mean, all— I don't know how many people have said, you know, they'd love to take everything they've learned and go back 20 years, right? Of course, we want to do that because we do learn and we, we evolve. So I don't know if I've answered the question very well, but maybe, maybe you can.

I didn't ask it very well. I didn't ask it very well, but I think that you're right about being authentic. And I feel sometimes that, you know, I was, I was at it. I was the guest this morning at a show. We were talking about the, you know, when someone says they're busy, And, you know, my parents always said you can't say you're busy, and it's relative, you know, because the woman home with her baby can be busy. And my parents just never like to hear that, and so I never use it. But I noticed that when people say it, I do get a little judgy in my mind because I think, do you not think that other people are, are, are busy? And like, is a need— but then I say, Adrian, maybe the need is to let people know, and that's because there's an insecurity, or they They want to, you know, or maybe when I was younger, I did say, oh, I'm busy. And then I got yelled at for it. So then I learned to stop saying it. On the other hand, I feel like if I was to tell someone I'm busy, then I just kind of told them I don't really care anymore. Like, I don't want to hear what you have to say. I'm not open to listening. I don't want to know anything more. Never call me again. Like, to me, there's like a whole myriad of things. And I look at our society and how many times I hear it. Oh, I'm so busy. I'm so busy. I can't, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, are they also like the— is that empathy right there? When you say I'm so busy, you're using the word I'm. It's almost like you're not empathetic to anything else around you because all you are right now is just thinking of yourself. And maybe I just try so hard to make sure that I'm always showing my empathy. Like, to me, that is so important. And I am a servant leader, so I'm always like wanting to make sure everyone is not only where they are, but that their future is going to be okay. And, you know, I just, I can't help myself. And I actually been noticing it, like, I'll go on to like Facebook and someone will ask a question and I'm like ready to stop everything. I'm ready to put everything down to say, oh, here's a link to this resource, or, or, or, oh, let me help you with this. And I'm like, Adrian, you gotta stop that. So it's almost like I'm almost overboard, like too nice and too wanting to help everyone. So Where is that? How do you look at yourself? Does a personality test make sense? Talking to someone to find out who you are? I'm going to zip it now.

Well, it's interesting what I've noticed, and I don't want to date myself, but I've noticed that things have changed radically since the 1980s. And people had a lot of more spare time in general. And there has been projections in social structures. So if you've done some studying, social work and sociology, anthropology, so studying how things have evolved. And so I just go with the '80s because that, that was, you know, my early adulthood, and I was curious. So I was watching that. And So, what I noticed and the projections were at that time that, and they said in the next 20 years because people are, or even in the next 10 years because people don't think as far ahead. Like in Japan, they plan for 20 years, 25 years. They make those big plans. We don't tend to. At the time, those projections said that we were gonna become more insular. So, this is answering your question. I think it's symptomatic of our, where we, how we live and our, you know, look at our entertainment and our, so people have, the focus is to go into the home and into the television. TV has changed so much since I was a child. And, you know, from, you know, a couple channels, black and white, We had a black and white. I didn't watch TV. I'm not a TV watcher, but it was never an interest of mine. So, you notice that. And the other projection was that women were going to work more. And the other projection was that people were going to eat out more and eat more prepared foods. Because in the '80s, you know, you went out for dinner to celebrate. It wasn't so common as it is now. I mean, Young people, some of them eat out every night. And, or you know, you get takeout, or now we have these delivery services, and I'm sure you have them too. And there are so many programs out there where they deliver baskets or food or different, and you're nodding your head. So, you know, that was all already projected. So, what happens is, and I think, You know, the bigger, faster, bigger, better. We've, you know, I've looked at that too. You're 3 purchases away from happiness, the advertising. And so, I did studying as well because it fascinated me. And also, in my, I call my previous life, I was a sign painter and graphic designer. So, my background, I did research in advertising and kind of what all those things do like headlines and colors and the speed and all that. And I want to call it a recipe. And it is, or a formula if you want to call it. So people, I think over time, and this has been an over time thing, and I hear what you're saying. And, and it's almost like they're indoctrinated to do more, that we're better if we do more. I mean, look at parents. They take their kids to 5, 6 activities in a week and it's not necessary, but they feel it's necessary. And they've gotten this idea of this competition or we need to be better or we're not good enough. So there's so much pressure, I think. And so this busyness, which is interesting, it's great because I've even thought of it myself. You know, I think, is there too much on my plate? You know, I need to be able to visit people. I need to be able to sit in the woods. I need to be able to be in the garden and not feel pressure. And so, I think you and I, we do spend time in reflection and modify that. And I think that's very empowering for people. But I think in general, people don't do that. And busy tends to be one of those labels. And, and it's kind of a sad label. And what are you busy at? You know, like that? Yeah. So it's interesting. Yeah.

Because we all have control of our lives. So I would never— if I'm busy, I'll just work a little longer. Or if I wait till tomorrow, like, it is my life. I don't know. I'm gonna end this with, with my last question to you. Which is a little deep.

It is.

And I'm just gonna be honest.

Go for it.

We actually look at a lot of mindset books. I'm asked all the time, join this group, join this group, mindset, mindset. I'm actually pretty proud of my mindset. I think, I think my head is finally screwed on correctly. I don't think I need to read a mindset book. I don't need to be part of a group. I'm comfortable with who I am. And my question to you, is that okay? Because Often, if you tell someone who teaches mindset, like, no, Adrian, you really— maybe there's a trigger out there that you don't have, or maybe there's trauma in the background. But am I okay to tell someone who wants to sell me a mindset book, you know what, my mind is really set very well right now? Is that okay?

I think it's awesome. And I would say congratulations. And so, you know, and you said something very profound. And you know what I wrote down in my note? Because I always do little cheat sheets here when you and I are speaking. We are the creators of our lives, you know, this is, this is our life and, and, you know, I was looking at like the choices I make, I'm living those choices and you're really comfortable with that so I say yes and if we feel good, you're right, no one has us, no one has to tell us, has the right to say we're not okay and if we're happy in our lives, I'd say celebrate it, you know. And so, yeah, so that's, that's great. I love it. That's a great ending.

What I heard was eat the cake, Adrienne. Just eat the cake and enjoy.

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

So much. Oh my gosh, thank you so, so much. You are really a fantastic guest, and, and I do share, and it's great. So always a little therapy for me. So thank you. I appreciate your time. So thank you. So So I'll put all the information how people can reach you, but can you show us your book, please? Anxiety Warrior.

Yeah, I have one here. Yeah. And one we haven't talked about, actually my first book, I'm just going to hold it up, is Loving Your Life. And it's like, it's, it's very dear to me. And if, you know, it's got all these creative exercises of coming back to our passion, our bodies, and it's It's like trusting, you know, like you trust yourself and that's what we want and I invite people to trust yourself. You don't have to listen to us, just trust your own body because your body's going to tell you where to go and what you need to do and we've lost track of that. An Anxiety Warrior, so there's 1 and 2, there are 2 different yoga positions. They're very, very complete in strategies and again, and there's hundreds and this is not an exaggeration, hundreds of strategies in in there and it's like a smorgasbord and, you know, there's some you're just gonna go, "Oh, I already do them," or, "They don't interest me," and there's others that'll really excite you and it's just, again, listening to your body. If it psyches you and gets you going, well, that's a yes for you, go for it, and if it doesn't and you go, "Meh," then take that as a signal and walk by it.

You know, I just, I wanna be honest, my mindset is good, my body, is not great. So like, I, I need to walk more. Like, so, so I'm gonna get the book because I really, I need to get like, that's where, and then that could get me in the head when I get dressed and I'm like, oh, I don't look, you know, and then I, I'll, that, that could actually get me. So the mind-body, my mind is healthy and my body is, uh, not healthy at all. So I gotta work on that. All right, thank you so much for your time.

Okay, and I'll be back.

I would love that. We'll talk about the, of the healthy body. For the Healthy Mind.

Sounds great.

Thank you. Have a great rest of the day and week, and I love it. Thank you