Live with Sheila Slick - Founder of PodtoBook.ai

We are live. There's Sheila Slick. Okay, a little different, a little different, because I do know Sheila, so I could say she's absolutely beautiful, as you can see, and I could say she's bright, brilliant, and bold, but at the end of the day, I know Sheila. So, Sheila, what? We got matching books.

What, what, what, what?

This is— I just talked about this book. This is my book from Sheila's— Sheila, the founder of pod2book.ai. So Sheila, you create this program, you spend 6 months head down. Love it, love it. You look so pretty. And you— so you create the book. First of all, you have the idea of having a podcast. Let's hear the whole story, Sheila. Doesn't really— she listens to some podcasts, and one day, one weekend when I go away, she creates a podcast. So you got to hear the story.

Well, first of all, I want to thank you for having me on your show today and for being an inspiration and a motivation in my life. And I think you're part of the reason how I even arrived to creating an app that turns podcast episodes and more into books. So thank you, Adrianne. And yes, a few years ago I was co-chair and then chair of SCORE, where I was mentoring many aspiring business owners and existing business owners and how to leverage technology to, you know, start or grow their business. So My technology background dates back to about 15 years ago when I learned how to code. And fast forward to today, after completing SCORE, I had that void where I wanted to continue meeting, you know, these fascinating entrepreneurial stories or stories that make an impact or stories of transformation. And I began guesting and being a guest on other people's show. And that's when I decided to start my own show. And about 50 episodes in, I start looking back and I'm thinking, wow, you know, all of these episodes are there. How can I preserve them? How can I share that same message, that same story in multiple formats? Because In the end, the message is beautiful, but maybe not everyone listens to podcasts. I know I'm a reader, and I also think there's something about legacy when you can preserve it in a paperback book. And in today's day and age where technology is still evolving, something like a CD, for example, if you don't have an external accessory, How else can you still listen to those songs that are in that CD or a cassette? So I think there's a beauty in this same day and age where the paper book is priceless.

I agree. And I, I want to take a second to point out the chapter with Summer Woods. Summer, who you may not know— Summer, she's a beautiful young lady that plays a guitar in Pasadena, California, loves loves, loves Weird Al Yankovic, and I'm sure he loves her. And she has done so many different songs, but she probably wouldn't have an opportunity to be a contributing author in a book. So you gave the opportunity to shine spotlights and create a legacy for people that it may not even be in their future. And yet now she actually has a book with her name on it. Look up Summer Woods Music, by the way. I, I just absolutely love her. And Sheila, because of you, I've made a commitment to make sure that in every book that I have people that have not appeared in a book before and have the opportunity to go first time to see their selves in print because it really is a great feeling. Tell me about the Green Book Milestone Moments. Tell me about that book.

So that one is still in production. I've actually been helping other people publish their books, because my initial idea was to take the podcast conversations like you did with Unscripted Brilliance and convert them in a book. But then I wanted to create the same book that's been sitting on my desk where I wanted to share some of the very same practices that I feel I repeat over and over again with a lot of, uh, the consulting that I've done. And I wanted a different format than yours. I wanted to test it. So this one I created a bit differently. These are so solo episodes where I first introduced myself and what the next 10 episodes were going to be about. And I broke it down into 10 chapters. So 10 audios, each breaking down each practice that I wanted to share. And then I wrapped it up at the end. So my format's a bit different because it also— part of the reason I wanted to share my first book, because now I'm addicted, Adrian, and I want to keep writing and speaking into the microphone because I know I can just start telling it, my story or my examples, and in the end the format will be analyzed, um, and rewritten into that clean narrative. It's going to take away all of those awkward sentences, or perhaps I rambled, it'll clean all that up. So I feel really comfortable where I can just talk into the microphone and, you know, press record or press pause. And so once you have that outline, I was able even to go back into some of my learnings from my master's degree where I did a lot of writing. and I wanted to cite them. So in my book, I even included, um, all of the citations when I'm referencing research or other people's work to make sure that it was properly cited. So I do want to make sure that people understand that this isn't an app where you're gonna put in a prompt and 2 hours later you're gonna have a book ready to publish on Amazon. What the app does is it takes all of those audio files. First, it transcribes them into text, right? And it does it in chunks. And then it goes to a whole different AI where it analyzes that conversation. It rewrites it and transforms it. So you're not just reading the transcripts that came out of that conversation. You're actually reading it in a whole different form. So I think that's the beauty of it. It's like the calculator. Your output's gonna depend on what you say in that conversation. So that's where I wanna make sure there's no misconception, people thinking, oh, that's just AI writing a book.

I mean, I think of it like fried chicken. Yum, yum. That you have the secret recipe. I think I said this to you. This is not something that someone can— well, I'll share with me. In January, I wanted to do the book. And so I thought, okay, I'll feed each transcript into ChatGPT. And what happened? And then the second chapter, it forgot what I was asking for. It was making, like, was making mistakes, grabbing things from the first chapter, putting it into the second chapter. And, you know, no, no, no, this has to be individually. Then it would do one kind of right, and then the next one. And I was like, Sheila, this is like almost 3 hours per chapter, and I still— it's aggravating. Anyways, Sheila, before we continue, I want to hear some of those reviews because I've gotten them too. I, I'll tell you what I've gotten: 100,000% approved. A lot of people are like, no edits except for my name, because how do you know? Favor, that's a hard one. So the title will be bright so we notice that. Lance with two L's. That's been fixed, Lance. And so, but the different things that could go on, but the content on this book, the only time I ever saw anyone want to make a change is I feel like when they looked at it and thought, oh my gosh, this is so good, I forgot to talk about this, let me add it to it. But nobody said, oh, I didn't say that, or those aren't the words I use. But let's hear some of the beautiful reviews you've received.

Well, I received one today, but you're gonna make me teary-eyed because I know who's giving me this review and what he wrote. And I wrote him back, I said, that's almost the way that you felt when you received that recognition from the White House or the UN. I said, but maybe not. But it was that emotional for me because of who was giving me feedback on what their manuscript looked like. And so I think the beauty is when you are able to share a chapter, which I'm doing with a lot of the guests on my podcast, because it's really important for them to read what they said, right? So they can listen to the episode and then they can read how it analyzed and rewrote the episode. And it does extract a lot of the quotes as well, right? So to receive that feedback from someone that knows what he or she said and then come back and say, Sheila, I loved it, or in capital letters, OMG, I had no idea AI could do this with storytelling. And I guess I get proud of that moment because it took me a while to perfect that output, right?

Because I'll say, Sheila, Huh? 6 months, Sheila, head down.

Well, I'm a perfectionist, Adrian, you know that. I don't like to do anything, you know, half, halfway. I'll leave it clean because I don't want this episode to be marked as explicit. So no foul language. But you know, when I do something, it represents me, it represents my brand. And when you've been in business and you know the importance of that, I thought I can't make public anything that's not good enough for me. And I guess, you know, the proof is in my hands right now. I have my name and I'm very proud of my first book. And I didn't imagine that this tool, I thought it was for podcasters. Let's just repurpose the content. But the more and more I am receiving feedback and I'm meeting with a lot of people, it means a lot when I learn or I speak with the publishers who say, Sheila, a lot of times ghostwriters, or, you know, the way that the books are created is by compiling these notes or we interview them. And so your tool is saving us so many hours. And it gives you the foundation. The manuscript is a rough draft. It's your first step when you're going to look for a publisher or you're going to self-publish. And so when the editor or the publisher says, this is a wonderful tool, then I get really teary-eyed too, because it's taking me in that direction. When originally, and this is the importance of testing and validating ideas, right? What is in your mind in that idea? May not end up being what that final end product may look like. You have to, you know, get that feedback. You have to validate the product. You have to spend many hours having these one-on-one conversations with the users.

I have to say, I've seen it in action, so I totally understand. And that's why I keep saying to you, it's a— it really is a secret sauce that you have and how you work it. And it's fantastic. And I love that you had mentioned about an event. And then I kind of took it to another level because we were able to also show how this book can go from event to page, which I love. So the event on chatter, 22 speakers, 2 full days within— don't expect this all the time, but Sheila, within 24 hours after the event ended, had the baseline manuscript for all of the speakers to look at, and they're in shock too. And this money really— I mean, this, this money, that's what my head is going because this is kind of money for podcast hosts. This is the money. Like, this is another one. You're thinking sponsors and, you know, where can I get money? Ad revenue, maybe sponsorships, maybe, maybe you're charging your guests to come on the podcast, maybe you're charging them to produce the podcast, maybe you're charging them for all the clips and all the other things. How about charging them? How about giving them the opportunity to be in a book that is worth its value? And honestly, we're not gonna tell you what the value is because you could price it yourself depending on what qualities you have, right? She'll— if you're a great artist, if you know how to do cover, if you've already published before, well, you've now got an amazing program that in essence you can white label.

So I'm actually working with some of my clients on white labeling certain solutions where the output put won't be a book for Amazon. And it is so industry specific that I'm having a ball, you know, even working on the code a bit because it's not changing the infrastructure, it's just changing a portion of that code. So it's not going to affect Pod2Book as is. This'll just be perhaps a niche tool for that specific industry. And you know, if you have more ideas, your Podium2Page, which if you want to learn more, visit podium2page.com because you can see the process. And when you said that it took 12 hours or within 24 hours to provide a manuscript, Pod2Book AI processed it in about 3. What took so long, the hardest part of the process was we had 18 hours of video that had to get chopped up or cut up into 18 individual videos. But that was our learning curve, right? How is this one event going to be turned into a manuscript? And I'm looking forward to seeing it published very soon. And that process required everyone revising their own chapter, making sure it was what they said it was, her voice, and it represented their expertise because they were all experts. And what I absolutely loved is that you tied in each presentation with the SWOT. So it's important to have a theme tying it in together. So this anthology or the summit book, you had everyone tie in the strength, the weakness, the opportunity, and the threat of their business or industry. And so each chapter reveals that no matter what the business was or who the expert is and, you know, what their topic was, it ties it all in. And I believe you're working on an event in December that's also being turned into a book. I'm personally participating in an event as well that we are turning into a book, and I learned a few little, you know, tricks along the way by having participated with yours. So Thank you again.

I love it, Sheila. I actually have to say, when we talk about building a business and taking Podium, Podium to Page, which is really using Sheila's idea, but what we did was we, we also had a longer thought to this, right? So that we're gonna have the podcast, which we already have 22 episodes. So we have the podcast already, and then we're actually going to be doing SWOTs with clients. So because at the end of the day, whatever you call it, you really do very well if you have an outsider look into your business and see what those strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats. And Sheila and I have been doing it for many years through SCORE. I'm no longer with— neither of us are no longer with SCORE, but that doesn't take away all the experience of the many hours. And Sheila, so very excited about that. And guys, if you've got an event, why are you just doing an event? That's crazy. And you want to charge your speakers? Charge them 5 times more because you're going to give them in a book. So talk to Sheila or myself. We will help you. Now, my next book, Sheila, I'm so excited because there's so many, you know, etiquette books out there, right? And I have many of those etiquette books because I learned too. But I always felt that there's like a debate. Do you call in sick? Do you not call in sick? Do you allow your employees to call in sick or do you tell them to stay home? Like, so I created the first AI ever podcast-driven from something you shared with me. And I'm like, oh my God. And within that weekend, I think I had like 8 episodes already done. I want to, I want to book Professional Global Etiquette Podcast. I'm not going to change it. No fancy name. It's the name of the business I've had for 10 years. And that I already have 20 episodes. I can only pick 15. So you guys, it's really hard because I love all of my debates, but I'll pick the 15, my favorite. And my next book Also, after SWAT and Order, which will be— the SWAT and Order book will be the SWAT and Order team. There's not one particular author because we're a team. We've all worked together. So that's it, by the way. And all the sponsors get their own page in the back of the book. So I'm excited about that. But Sheila, what I'm trying to say is that I'm really excited to do this book on the Professional Global Etiquette podcast, and they're only between 14 and 17 minutes long. So The idea is that if you don't even want to record anything, use an AI program and have that become your book. And I bet you there's a million other things that can be done. So you've got your— show your book again. And everyone get this book. It's amazing. Momentum: Daily Practices to Build Your Business and Thrive. Sheila's showing a picture of it. Lovely light green color. Thrive is in yellow. And take a look at it. It's great price. And we need Sheila and I are so different. Sheila is very process-driven, a perfectionist. I'm kind of the opposite. I, I jump in and I just keep swimming. Um, so it's a fun combination, but, you know, I need more of Sheila and Sheila probably needs a little more of me. And that balance is really found in that book where I could take the advice and say, okay, this makes sense to me. This I'm going to do a little different because I'm not as— I'm not as processed as Sheila is. But this is how Sheila could put her head down for 6 months, March, April, May, June, July. Well, maybe it's a little earlier, but it was full months that you, all you did was pod to book. How did you even, how do you code and do all the work every day? I can't even, I mean, wow.

You're gonna have to read the book if you want that same question you're asking me is why I built this book where I share some of the practices on how you can take something to the finish line during the hardest part. How do you keep momentum when that initial idea that is so exciting and it just sounds so wonderful at the beginning, how do you get through the boring and the consistency and wearing multiple hats at once? Because when you're developing that, that's not feeding me. My businesses. So now you're having to wear multiple hats. You need, you know, mental, you still need to spend time with family. You have a lot going on. You have your clients. And that's exactly the premise why I built this. And it's all over the place. And I give examples even of some of my own mistakes. So I keep this by my bedside as a reminder. If I, if I'm having an issue, I built it like a toolbox. It's 10 tools depending what you're struggling with. That's the medicine for that particular problem. That's the practice. But I wanted to go back to what you were saying when you said you're on your 20th episode on your AI-powered etiquette where they're debating, which I think is genius, right? Because there's always so many different perspectives to especially when you incorporate etiquette and you're dealing with cultures and, you know, a variety of ways to do something properly or diplomatically, so to speak, is an inside secret. When you're publishing books and you have a series, you're kind of marrying them to each other. And so the algorithms like Amazon, they prefer to have these bundles. And so when one book pops up, the other books are tied together. So if you're looking to publish and you go in, okay, I'm going to do 3 series or 3 different volumes. When you're promoting your third volume, that first volume that perhaps isn't that new release, will still be popping up. And people that like your third one may say, oh, Adrienne has, you know, part one or part two. It becomes almost like a Netflix series, how you have different seasons.

I love that.

So if you like one, now you're kind of wanting more, right? You're left with that cliffhanger where I want to watch that next season. So consider your books that way. And the way that I have it packaged right now is that you can buy one book credit up to 15 episodes at about 5,000 words each. And so when you size it down and you format it to a 6 by 9, you're looking at a 200-page book. So if you want more than that, yes. And you don't want an encyclopedia all at once because Amazon also has a limit on how big a book can be. You can buy— and I'm gonna rename it to the Series Package instead of the Pro Package— where you can buy 5 book credits, get a significant discount because you're buying 5 credits, and each credit allows you to run up to 15 episodes at once. And so then you can tie them together because the manuscript is delivered in Word, and so if It is meant for you, you know, to make sure that you go back and edit. You may want to change the font. You need to add that special dedication, right? You have a dedication page. So when you receive that manuscript, it does come with either templates or pre-written, meant for you to rewrite. You know, your dedication ain't mine and your disclaimer ain't mine, but, um, it does come with, you know, the COVID page. Of course I changed my phone.

Beautiful.

It does come with a copyright page. Now you have to say, you know, who your cover design was. I don't know who your cover designer was. Um, you have to put in your own ISBN. That's not included when you're running, you know, the app. I've included a disclaimer page. So this is all the interior pages that are included in that manuscript when you run it. And the table of contents, you have to insert it yourself. Because that manuscript can be formatted for paperback and it can be formatted for ebook. And so each format requires a different kind of table of contents. The ebooks are meant to be more dynamic, and depending on the user settings on their tablet or on their phone will depend how many pages that book has, right? So your book on an iPhone may have 400 pages, on an iPad it may have 300 because the iPad has a bigger screen, and in your paperback it has 180. And so we can't control the user settings in the ebook. And I'm not going to get too technical. The whole bottom line is that those interior pages are meant for you to have to do some work in making sure that it works, you know, for you, and it's your dedication and your table of contents.

Yeah, that's what we're doing. So for SWAT and Order— and hi Jonathan, if you want to come up, just let me know— the— for SWAT and Order, so Jonathan's working as the honorary host, he's working on his back page, and then I'm like, let's add a QR code You know, let's put that in there. That'll be nice for the sponsors, not for the speakers, but for the sponsors. And, you know, Debbie and Jonathan and you, Julie, I think that makes another special gift. As a matter of fact, I've been talking about how this makes an amazing gift for nonprofits that are holding golf tournaments or any nonprofit event. You have your chair actually interview your board of director members, pick some members out, maybe pick last year's golf winner. And then look at now, you're not just selling hole-in-ones or mulligans, you're, you're selling your book, which I think is really incredible. So I've got my next book is going to be the Professional Global Etiquette Podcast PodMatch book. I've done the 15 of the community members of PodMatch and along with the founder of PodMatch. That's the next book. Thinking of sticking, if you guys, what do you think? I was thinking of this color, my orange. I mean, Same book cover, but just changing the COVID to a nice green. But Sheila, next year, 2026. I'm excited. Okay, so let's go. So January, where are you going? I heard you're a sponsor of two events.

We are going to Orlando. We are part of Podfest 2026. It is in Orlando, Florida, a 3-day event. There will be thousands of podcasters and they also have an author track. So we're going to get to meet all kinds of aspiring authors, publishers, authors, podcasters, and there's tons of booths. We will have one and we are going to have a collection of all the books that have been generated using Pod2Book AI so that we can give them away, right? So that people that Want to learn more, fall in love with the format. It works for marketing. These are marketing materials. Why give away a business card when you can give away a book? And I received one in the mail today. Let me see if it's here. Oh, I have to find it. From David Meltzer.

Oh, I love David.

No, it was genius. I signed up, um, it was through Clubhouse and because you joined and replied in the email list. He said, I'm going to send you a copy of my book. And it was so beautiful to open up this package and not just receive a book, but an autographed book. I thought, oh, now I know. I, you know, I'm just, I'm really loving the format. And I'm—

now you're going to be a fan. And he's on, I think Fridays, but, uh, yeah, follow him on BWC. I actually caught him live the other day. And, um, I got off talking to you, I think, and I went to go listen because I, I absolutely am a David Meltzer fan. Okay, so we've got— and then where are we going after Podfest Orlando?

So first in November, you're all invited to join us virtually in CreativeCon Amped, where I will be one of the presenters. And it is an incredible community of very intelligent bright, creative, step out of your comfort zone, bold, beautiful people. I just don't know how else to describe that energy. And in February, you have the opportunity to join and meet all of these people and their special guests and their lineup of speakers. These are like meet and greets, but you also learn, and that's in Chicago. And that is CreativeCon, creative, C-R-E-8, the number 8 like eternity, T-I-V-E dot com.

And the co-founders are Julie Loken and Dominic Damaski. So, so Gary helped interview Julie today, and he wrote to me and he said he loved her. I mean, I'm like, of course, who doesn't love Julie Loken? Like, if you don't even know who Julie Loken is, then that I apologize to you. I feel bad for you. I feel like that is, uh, that is just— she's just an amazing woman. And, uh, when I met her dad, I, you know me and crying, because all I could think of is like, sir, you had— like, how did you give birth to this amazing woman? So, um, not how did you, because obviously the mother, but, you know, anyways, Julie, we love you. Okay, so we've got— so that's just the start of the year. There's a lot going to be taking place with Pod to Book. Podium to page. I did want to say one thing, Sheila, also going back to the idea that this could be the foundation of your business. And with Jonathan and SWAT in Order— and I just have to confirm, I really want to make sure that Jonathan is like 100% yes as the co-host because he's such an amazing human being. And I see this generating income, but I also will say that this is a really strong way to get your business started. So a lot of people, it takes time to even Well, first of all, some people don't even have a Google My Business page. So, and I think it's harder to get from what you told me, Sheila. But have you ever Googled your business? Where does it pop up? I will tell you within 5 days of the slot and order, when you Google, the AI has picked up every article I wrote, every LinkedIn, every Facebook, the LinkedIn event, all the 45 days of posting. I didn't stop posting once I had the idea and got the commitments from everyone. That moved along for the 45 days. So what I'm trying to say is that when you are looking, people say, well, how do I get found? This whole idea of starting a podcast, turning it into a book, whether you do it solo or you actually do it with guests, that is one way to really get yourself sticky. I mean, I feel very sticky with SWOT in order. I'm comfortable as long as someone understands SWOT and the ampersand in order or AND in order. I will pop up. They won't be like, where is this? I can't find it. And I contribute that to really the whole premise of how to do something like that. I only created this story because Jonathan is the reason why, because I had his idea of storytelling and your idea of turning it from event to a page. But I just want to say that. So it's also a great way to take your business and move it forward by doing this. So you get Sheila's book and then you start a podcast. And by the way, it is not difficult starting a podcast. And I think we have packages. Sheila has a package to help you if you want to start a podcast. That, that's not the problem. It's what happens with the podcast. And too many people start a podcast and how much— what's it— I don't know what the numbers are, but, um, only a small percentage make it after 10 episodes. What, do you know that?

I mean, when I see the insights, I feel like a superhero, but my milestone's 100, and thanks to PodMatch I don't know. I have Alex, I'm interviewing him in January and he did too good of a job programming that AI because it's just amazing the quality guests and how it is so intelligently, you know, suggesting and connecting the host with the guests. So kudos to you, Alex, and the boss of the founder, his wife, because customer service. And I was talking about this with my husband yesterday and I said, hold on, someone's sending support from Patobook AI asking me how to be able to process more than 15 of her speeches. And I said, I'm going to answer her back. I said, imagine a big giant company. I'm not going to mention any names, but we all know who these giant companies are. You can't even get through the bots, Adrian. Sometimes you can't even like cancel an account or you can't get help for 2 weeks. And here I am, the founder, the CTO, saying I'm willing to pick up the phone. You can text me, you can email me, we can set up a meeting. Let's discuss your specific needs. And my hats to Alex and his wife that at this point have built such a beautiful network and an app that has really evolved. I mean, I can appreciate the size and the infrastructure. They've paid out over $1 million to the hosts. I believe I saw them sharing that. And here I wanted to reinvite my guests and I'm like, hold on, I don't know how to do it through Pod2Match. I'm still, you know, figuring out the system. And she answered like within an hour. I put a support ticket and it's her. And she's like, she left for the time being. You can only, you know, do one at a time. You can use our calendar and so forth. She gave me the explanation and I thought how beautiful that I've got customer support and a human. So realize that not all companies that are leveraging AI don't have humans behind them and embrace and cherish those that do, because we're all at the end competing against these huge, huge, huge, huge corporations that sometimes they don't value your business like we do.

That's something I have to say. So Alex was saying to me, and he may be listening to this one, he— I guess he had walked by, he was listening to the podcast and I was talking about him. I think it was with Rachel Allen, a really cool guest. And he said, thank you, Adrian. And his wife's like, wait, why are you like, thank you? Like, what is that? He's like, oh, let me show you. And so he repeat— he showed her that I was— I just happened to be talking about him because every episode of the 15, including this one, because they're Podmatches community members, like, of course I'm mentioning him. So as I mentioned, Chatter Social and everything I do. But anyways, I love that, Sheila. So today, I actually, when I interviewed him, I said, can we look? Can we go behind the scenes? So he gave me a tutorial on how the workflow really works because I was confused with all of that. And he said he thought it was funny because he's never really actually done that on a podcast interview where someone's taking him and showing. But it was good. I learned a lot. I got a 1-to-1 tutorial, and he was proud of all the the reviews I have. And so, you know, it's just a great program. He's got some great plans for next year. Excited to meet him. And, uh, and, and I, I was one of the ones that got a little money paid, so I was excited about that. So yay to the commission idea, yay to everything he's doing. He's an amazing guy, handsome too, really lovely human. Sheila, I kept trying to think, is there anything that I did not ask you that I should have asked you as we're talking about Pod to Book, Podium to Page.

Well, since we are going to turn this conversation into a chapter so that I can be a chapter in your book, Adrienne, why don't we go over the key takeaways that we want to be highlighted? So Pod to Book turns conversations into manuscripts so that you can then edit, revise, and publish and turn them into books. And it can work for your podcasts. If you have individual audios of sessions, thanks to other collaborators I've met along the way, like Natalie, and she's out in Europe. She actually has a tool where even if you don't have a podcast, you can create your own RSS feed. And that's actually getting tested as we're speaking. A book is being generated with individual conversations that have been stitched up from the audios and then uploaded to a unique RSS feed. So it is not a podcast, they're still with the feed. And so once we get that one down packed, I need to make sure that that's something that any user understands, that they don't have to be a podcaster to be able to use tool. Third, if you have an event, whether in person or a summit, record it, and those audios can be broken down into individual audios so that each one is a chapter in your book. Those are our key takeaways. You can join us virtually or in person at CreativeCon and and Podfest and CreativeCon in February in Chile, Chicago.

I know I'm so excited. Wait, I can give a few more key takeaways. Add this to the key takeaways. You can make money. You could charge your guests to be in the book. You could use it as a fundraiser. So if you have a chamber— chambers are great. Chambers should be— every chamber could do an interview with their entire board of directors. They usually have about 15. If it's only 10, that's great. And now you have a Chamber of Commerce book highlighting your entire board, because once they go off, it's such a lovely thing. So there's, there's so many different things that you could do with it and to make extra money, which is what people are looking for nowadays. So I love the whole idea. I love everything that you just said regarding the key takeaways. And it's fun how you could create the book this way. I also— there was one other thing I wanted to say, but I'm just trying to think of what it is. So hold on, my crazy fans out there, one of you. Oh, gosh, you're so beautiful. You kind of like— because I look at you, I just— your smile, you're just so lovely. And I've known Sheila for years, so don't think I'm crazy. I just love your heart. And I know that I could see this shining and how happy you are with this. And, you know, we sometimes struggle to find like where our passion is going to be and what we're going to do and what that looks like. And you left the program with a legacy. And I think that that's a beautiful thing, is you can really look back on your life and, and, you know, it's not just my legacy, it's the all the contributing voices that their children may find it on the bookshelf and say, oh, oh, Grandpa, you love was in a book. Oh, I didn't know that Grandpa Ulof was in a book, or, oh, I didn't know that, that my Uncle Sean Wynott was in a book. So my cousin Favor. Anyways, it really is fun. And the last thing I did want to say is that it is a way to create the momentum. Now that you have the guests in the book, 6 of these guests were in the slot in order, it's easier to go back and ask them to do other things, create masterminds with them, create— this is— everyone talks about a community, but here as a podcast host, we have so many people in our community, and yet we interview them and then we drop them and forget about them and go to the next one. So you have found the solution to just one interview and done. So I love that, Sheila. So I love you. Thank you for being here, Jonathan. Thank you to ChatterSocial for being another source where we could go live. And the, you know, guests love that too. Sheila, have a great rest of the day. I'm really excited about everything coming your way. I'll have links in all of the show notes and everything so everyone can find you. And Sheila said, I agree with you, Sheila, the phone number, you don't have to give it here, but yes, being able to talk to the founder, the CTO, and get back to them, that's huge. That's really going to make the business blow up. So as people, and one more thing I want to say, I'm not going to mention a name, Sheila. I'm not going to say the name of the company, beep beep, that couldn't do it, couldn't pull it off. They pulled off a press release. I mean, who— they did a press release. Oh, Sheila wants me to stop.

Okay, we're only going to focus on the positive. We're going to move forward with ours. Remember, a lot of times people don't finish what they start. So I'll send them a copy of the book. I did want to just add one key takeaway. It's not just about, you know, the publishing, but what it really does, it saves time. And for those of you that have already published books, or for those of you that are editors or ghostwriters or publishers, Go ahead and try a free chapter. Visit pod2book.ai and run your free chapter, and then reach out to me if you'd love to give me your feedback, or if you have any questions. We're here to serve you.

Okay, she'll stop me from being a bad girl, so I was naughty. Now I'm gonna be nice. Yes, listen to Sheila, run the free chapter. It really is amazing. Don't trash people. I didn't say their name.

Doesn't matter. We're keeping it positive. This is my chapter in your book.

It will be. We'll take it out of an e-book. Oh, I love it. Real, raw, and authentic. That's it. That's it, Sheila. Thank you for being brave, bold, and beautiful and coming on here live. I love it. And thank you so much. Thank you, thank you. I love you. I will close this out before Fez streaming. Oh, there he goes.

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