Finding Your Big Impossible Goal

I'm super excited for today's incredible guest. Olubode Sean Brown is an author, public speaker, and entrepreneur on a mission to inform, inspire, and celebrate our human journey. Author of Finding Your Big and Bloom: The Essential Journey Oluwadé is the founder of Bloom, a global collective of creatives, visionaries, and changemakers. So Oluwadé, it's great to see you. It has been a long time. I want to welcome you to the V Spot and thank you for gracing the space.

You look great. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Andrea. Thank you so much for inviting me on. You know, I am here and I know you're full of questions.

Yeah, you know.

So yeah, let's jump in.

Let's jump right in. So we're here at the top of 2022, and I thought you were a perfect guest to invite to the V Spot. You know, it's the time of year where people often think about their goals, set resolutions. And so I wanted to kick us off by asking you to describe the big impossible goal, also known as your big, and talk to us about the importance of finding it now during this particular time.

Finding it now, I'll speak on that. It's 2022, it's a year ending in 2. And the worldview of the Dagara people, Dagara people who I ascribe to, which I ascribe to and learned from Maliduma Some, who recently passed, is that years ending in the number 2 are fire years. And for me, that's a year to really begin to step into the fire, to step into the light of our visibility and our value, to step into our own light, not so much the light of other people, but it's a year where I'm being challenged to turn on my own light. And so I want to pass that on first as a context for this year, to connect deeply to ourselves, to our ancestors, and to the legacies that have been passed on to us that are full of light, and to turn that light on and to not stand in anyone else's light, because that's when we experience rejection and shame and all of that. But to really begin to turn our own light on. So finding your BIG— uh, B-I-G means Big Impossible Goal— and, um, that's one of the things that is a foundation of the work here that we now do at Bloom, which is aligning, uh, each of our members, providing the opportunity for our members and our clients to align themselves with their Big Impossible Goal. I believe we're all born with one, and some people refer to it as your life purpose some people your mission, your vision. We call it your big impossible goal. It's kind of like what Muhammad Ali declared when he said, I am the greatest boxer of all time. I mean, it was very specific, it was very bold, and it was very much out there. It lives in the domain of, of what it is we're here in the world to accomplish. It's rooted and excavated from our pain, our trauma that we experienced as very young children growing up in life, but also what did that trauma cause us to remember. So it's first born in our bones, the trauma that we've experienced, the earliest traumas, and the vision that those traumas prompted us to remember, to, to imagine the world. It's rooted in our passions, the things that move us naturally. It's rooted in our talents, the things that we're known for and what we do well in the world. And it's rooted in healing the people closest to us. What is the gift that we can make to heal the lives of people closest to us? But it's grounded also in a specific measurable result that you have no idea how you can accomplish it.

Wow. Wow. I love that. So first I'm taking, I'm just so you know, if you see me, I'm writing, I'm taking notes. I am a note taker. Wow. There's so, there's so many different parts. I mean, first and foremost, I wanna highlight going back to what you first said pertaining to finding the light, finding your big now, this idea of going inward to turn on your own light, I think that that's incredibly powerful. And it makes me think about like, you know, how a candle, right, we— a candle can go on to light thousands and thousands of other candles. And so the power of what occurs when our light gets turned on representative of our own self versus in comparison, like you said, not what it looks like for somebody else. So that's, that's like such a key that I wanna share to the audience, highlight, spotlight, pun intended, you know, to really turn inward for, for this particular piece. And so what's also really powerful to me is the fact that what you're highlighting is oftentimes our pain is the piece that drives the passion? Is that accurate? And there's a connection?

Yeah, there's an elemental connection because I just outlined 5 things. And in the Finding Your Big Journey, there are 5 steps and each is inspired by an element of nature. So there's a mineral element, nature, sometimes called air in some traditions, fire, water, and earth. So all the frameworks of Bloom really are a nod to each of those 5 elements. And those 5 elements create a channel through which we show up and we bloom in the world. So if we want to bloom and grow massively, then what if we turn to those elements as metaphors and say, do I have all these elements inside of what I'm doing and what I'm up to in the world? So what we do in the Finding Your Big process is we turn those elements into questions.. And those questions begin to turn on the elements in our nature. So the first question is, what is your vision? is a mineral question. And mineral is the whole idea that this is the element that empowers the blueprint of our lives. It's like our bones, they hold our memory. And so when we ask that question, why are you here? What is your vision? We are going to the bone. You got it? And very often how the bone first wakes up, Andrea, is, "Ah, this should not be." That's that first trauma experience as children. That's how the voice, 'cause the bone now holds the voice. And very often again, it's, "Ah." So we look at that and we say, "Okay, great. So what is the memory of the world that that is stirring, the vision of the world you come from?" Because clearly that, "Ah," said this is not it. So if we can remember this is not it, then we can also begin to intuit what exactly is the vision of the world that you come from. A vision of the world where everyone is heard, allowed to change, seen, connected, and at home. So that's how we use a trauma. Trauma is actually repurposed and it's repurposed in that step of mineral.

Wow. So it sounds like a real journey that you, you bring people on in terms of starting with the, like, the root, you know, and the mineral question, and then bringing them through a particular process, which we can certainly at the end, we're going to circle back so that you could tell folks like how they can connect with you about that. But, um, no small journey to go on.

It's a big step. And I just want to say this, after that, now We go to passion, which is the air quality. That's what is the thing that moves naturally. Then we go to talent. What is the fire qualities in the world? Then water. What is the healing gift that you're bringing to create connection with others? And then earth. What is the specific goal? So in the process, you'll walk through 5 elemental questions that align the elements within you. And they're in the same order of the chakra system within us. You know, mineral in the throat, Inspired the voice, nature in the air, fire in the chest, you know, in the diaphragm, water in the stomach, earth in the root chakra, as they call it.

So, wow. Yeah, what an amazing journey to go on, right? One that certainly sounds, based on what you're describing, would be a gift for each of us, you know, to really allow ourselves to go on that particular journey. And I love the state, the, you know, correlation, the metaphor to nature, you know, and how it's— we're all connected. And, you know, how the— how you really connected the elements to us as individuals. And that's, that's beautiful. All right, so we're going to circle back to that. I absolutely love that. Um, so yeah, let's rewind the hands of time before we actually go forward. Um, born and raised in Jamaica, right? Tell us, tell us a bit, a little bit about little Olubode and how his experiences paved the way for the Bloom Movement?

Wow. I was always a kid that was trying to do right. And so I grew up more presenting rather than present. I always wanted to prove that I was a good boy. And so I came out of Sunday school and the teacher saying, my mother asking this teacher, is Philip a good boy? My name then was Philip. Is Philip a good boy? She said, yes, he's so good. And so I felt I had to live up to that. So I did that all the time. I grew up in a world of wonder. I was always an introspective child. So even as I lay on my grandmother's bed as a young child, I could feel the nurturance in the countryside. I could also feel the idea of being shamed as a child because my mouth got me in trouble. I said I loved my teachers. Daughter, and I shouted it out on the playing field. And that was wrong, because I was called out for that. And so in those moments, I remember losing sight of myself. Like, what did I do? Did I speak out of turn? So I remember those. I remember a childhood framed by wonder, but also feeling the shocks of being unsafe in the world, of being taken to a hospital and realize that I couldn't be taken care of there because in a particular way, because my parents didn't have the money or because I'd aged out of the system just by a year or a month or so and somebody tell us you have to go to the adult hospital. So I remember a childhood framed by that. I remember a childhood of love. I remember growing up in the tenement yards in Jamaica where everybody seemed to cooperate and tolerate each other and work together with each other. And so that gave me a love for collectivism and a wonder at what's possible if we could all work together to create something fun and beautiful for our communities. Yeah, that was my childhood.

Yeah, you know, and so much of what you— well, a couple of things. So, you know, I hear you speak of love, I hear you speak of wonder, and it's very much a part of the you that, you know, I experience today. And, you know, when we first met, it's like such a part of, the fabric of your being. So it's a beautiful little alluvion thriving and with you the seeds of love. But this, you know, what you highlighted, a distinction so powerful, presenting versus presence. That's, that's powerful. Can you elaborate a little bit more about how, how that— so that people listening can really hear that?

You know, even as children, we discover what we need to do to get the love we need, you know, once we wake up to the reality of the world and we have that first, ah, this, this is it, where it is, where is that, you know, kind of like, oh, what do I do now in order to keep getting the love that I need? And, and for me, um, you know, I always have to watch myself about presenting, you know, presenting in order to be valued, presenting in order to not excluded, um, that kind of stuff. But we all do it in different ways, you know, and it comes out of part of the strategies that we develop again to get the love we need. And whatever transformational program you're involved with, um, uh, I find that each, each time there's been an excavation of what is it that we do in order to avoid feeling bad. Yeah, totally. And how do we— what is the strategy that we develop? And those strategies walk with us into our workplaces, they walk with us into our relationships, where we don't get to speak our truth, where we don't get to authentically say how we feel and what we need.

Yeah, excuse me, it makes me think of like sending in the representative, right? Like not showing up as ourself and really sending in like You know, especially I think when you say relationships, excuse me, how oftentimes in the beginning, right, it's like the representative could be sent in and present a certain way and yeah, things are great or whatever, all the, all of the, uh, attributes or whatever that's really showing up because the rep is there. And then what happens when the representative, you know, is done and goes home and the real person reveals and it's like there is the shift in the dynamic, you know, the dynamic. So this idea of being present as opposed to presenting, that could be a whole segment in itself. That's powerful. I love that. Excuse me, I have a little allergy happening. Um, yeah, that's, that's powerful. Presenting versus present. Gonna connect with that a bit more. Thank you for that. Well, you know, you graciously accepted the invitation to be here on the V Spot without knowing any of the questions that I would ask you. And I said to you before, and I want to highlight now publicly, you know, first and foremost, thank you. You know, and second, I really want to applaud your courage because that's vulnerability at its best, right? Risk, uncertainty, showing up not knowing what to expect. And You know, showing up anyway. And so first and foremost, publicly, I want to celebrate you and say thank you. Um, you know, and I often speak about this in my work, like this idea of choosing courage over comfort. Uh, so talk to us, what does it look like for you these days to choose courage over comfort? Paint us a picture.

It's interesting that you asked it, Andrea, because as you know, I'm in Accra. In Ghana and I've been here for 2 months. And it wasn't so much that I was uncomfortable and I chose to be uncomfortable and to go forward in spite of. I think for me, I keep mining grace. I keep reminding myself that there is something that is calling me forth and that is naturally on my side that's unfolding. And my job is simply to get out of the way. And so in every circumstance, yeah, in every circumstance, I'm simply looking for what's working, what is the opening for action and stepping into that action. You know, I didn't do a business plan or Excel spreadsheet. I simply asked myself, Where is there opening for action? Where is it that spirit is moving? Where is it that life is calling? And then I step into that, and then the whole thing unravels. For instance, we're doing another Finding Your Big Journey here in Accra. And one would say, we're not properly resourced to do it. You're just starting out.

You shouldn't go.

You should go slowly. But the movement and the action is happening there. So immediately what comes up is that the membership levels that I need to complete comes up. The subscription comes up. The website comes up. Everything comes up because that strategic direction, the opening is there. So people look at that and say, you know, you're stepping, you're stepping into discomfort. Um, but for me, I've been learning to step into ease. The trick is, is that my mind, when I'm in those crazy moments, is going to go into that sense of panic and dread and fear and anxiety, and that is very real. So that's the discomfort.

Yeah, I know, I know nothing about those feelings, by the way.

Yeah, that is the discomfort. Yeah, that's the discomfort. Yeah. So I just want to expand this a little bit. So what I've learned— yeah, please— what I'm learning to do is to begin to hold myself, to allow myself to hold myself. And I'm going to credit Tara Brach recently. She's a Buddhist psychologist who I listen to, um, and I recommend the viewers listen to her. Tara Brach. And she's there on Spotify. And one of the things she has been emphasizing and that I've dug deeply into is the whole idea that I can talk to myself. Like, I can use the words "you" to me. That I can know when the "you" is upset and anxious. And I can say to Myself. You can hear yourself. You are wise. Tell me the way that you want to play today. I can say, I allow you to play today. I allow you to be seen as you are. You are connected to all life. 'You belong.' I can speak those words to myself. But not only can I speak it from a mental point of view, I'm learning that embodiment is important because very often you can speak that in the mind, but I now know where the tightness is and I can understand what that tightening is about. What are you anxious for now? What is it that you need? So I'm actually learning to ask myself those questions and to speak to myself in ways that connect me again to life's nutrients. The thing though, and finally, that I've also been learning is there's a point at which that's not possible, where I lose all facility to speak to myself, at which point I grab someone like you. Right. And I get a therapist or I get a friend who's able to say to me, Olu, what are you feeling? You know, but what is it that you need? So they're able to give me the love that moment that I'm unable to give that love to myself. And so I have trusted people around me, um, who are helping me to work through the discomfort. And I'm often in discomfort.

Yeah, listen, right? I'm right there with you. I love this for so many reasons. You know, I'm just going to go back, so to bring it back to the moment, but, um, I love what you said about you know, not— you are someone who doesn't have a business plan, and that resonates with me, like really going where guided and then take it, you know, seeing openings or being pushed towards openings and then creating, you know, accordingly. And why I think it's so valuable to go back to, for anybody who's listening, is because it's really a call to action. There's a tendency, and I certainly relate at different times, where there's waiting until, right? Like, I'm gonna wait until I have the business plan plan to start the business. I'm going to wait until I have the entire book written to take action around it. And so for anybody who's listening to this, this is such a powerful piece pertaining to trusting yourself and going where you feel guided, and then take the steps, you know, that, that are required and wanted and needed, as opposed to waiting until the master plan is created and moving.

I want to add this context to it though, which is once you set the frequency, then you can hear the direction where the action is calling from. Once you have set your big, you know, this is the finding your big book.

Oh yeah, it's a—

yeah, there it goes. So we'll post it with the link. Yeah, thank you. Once you set the alignment, once your passions and your pain and your vision, your gifts and your talents and the goal is aligned, then listen for where the strategic move is. Many of us are listening for what's next as though, but we have no context. There's no frequency on which we're listening. So that's the thing that I wanted to put in there, you know, that do the work of setting a very clear intention that encompasses all of you and holding that intention. We do not need to know how.

Yeah.

But listen for the movement? Where's the action taking place? Is it in line with the frequency that you've set?

Yeah, totally. And, and the— excuse me— and I hear again the importance and significance of presence, right? Because being able to hear the, the calling really requires a presence, you know, and it's— and the attention to receive, you know. And this is also, you know, for anybody who's listening, for the folks who like to busy themselves and pile on distractions, which, you know, is very much part of culture at some points, to really start to like peel it back and allow for yourself to receive the messages, because I think that's key, you know. I, I love that. Um, the other thing that I really this powerful piece that you speak of in the work that you talked about pertaining to being able to speak to self, you know, and what I love is that you then highlight, I mean, what a gift and blessing, right? To be able to get so in tune that you can speak to self and give self what's needed and then recognize when it's about bringing in someone else, right? Because I think that's so key because sometimes on a healing journey, um, we can go inward and, and then start to focus so much on the self and leave out, you know, but this call to action around trusted people who, when it's not possible to give yourself the conversation or the whatever support, the holding the space, you have that place to go. I think that's so significant.

Absolutely important.

Yep. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I love that. Thank you for that. Well, you know, you and I are both passionate about personal development work. We are, um, I like to call us brave hearts, you know, who are very willing to, um, despite the what it looks like, really be willing to go on the journey and, and develop. Um, so what would you offer to anybody who's listening who's reluctant to step into healing and transformational work at this particular time? What would you say to them?

I don't think it's so much stepping in as much as transformation is always happening. You know, does a flower say, no, I'll not bloom today? You know, life is always actively transforming us as individuals, as groups, and as a human species and all the species. We are in a state of constant transformation. And so for anyone who is listening today, just know that you can hear yourself. You know, you can feel the ways in which life is calling you to change. You have the ability to see yourself fully and accept yourself fully. You know, you can in fact sense your connection to all of life and that this world is for you, not against you. And so when we pause, we come to those realizations. And I want to go back to something you said, Andrea, which is allowing ourselves the time to pause, to do those listenings and do those realizations, and to allow our wisdom to come through, allow our own change to manifest, you know, allow our own eyes to see ourselves and to really acknowledge the journey of grace that we've been on, that life has given to us, that breath still flows through our body. It takes time to pause. So for anyone who is, uh, do I go on this journey? You are on the journey. You know, the question is, uh, you know, are you now at a point where you're willing to allow more of that journey to manifest? And are you willing to pause? Have you reached the point of pausing to ask yourself existential questions? Why am I here? You know, when and what brings me alive? You know, who am I? You know, what is my healing gift and where am I now and where do I want to go?

I love that. And what's resonating in this particular moment is when you say, you know, you are on the journey. And it makes me think about, you know, the power of intention, right? Because this, this idea of, yes, being on the journey and choosing intention in terms of the process and how we sort of navigate through, you know, the journey. So it shifts the, the experience from living life as it happens to living a life that we design, you know. And so in the conversation of healing and personal development and transformation, I think it's so significant to highlight it is happening, as you say, and now inject, you know, infuse the power of intention so that it really is happening according to how you decide versus how, you know, the world decides.

That's, that's big. Yeah, it's aligning with the best of what's unfolding in our awareness. You know, there's a lot of stuff that's unfolding that's not too cool, you know. So how do we develop singular eyes to listen to the best within ourselves and, and the best in, in all that we experience and to align with that? That's really the work of awareness, of self-awareness.

Yeah, yeah, that is the work, right? That's the, that's the process of it all. Um, a beautiful one, but certainly, certainly a process. Well, this, uh, this is actually the last question before we move into, uh, the final segment, you know, and this is really about reflecting on what's next. And so I read on your website that your big, your big impossible goal is to use the steps from, from finding your big book to empower 1 million collectives of 5 people or more to work together to accomplish their big impossible goals by the end of 2022. So this is like really a two-parter. Um, first, you know, what's so far— and I know that you said don't worry about how, um, but if you could share a bit about so far, what has that looked like in terms of your plan, excuse me, for accomplishing it? And how can the intentional healing and wellness community support the mission? Like, let us help you help us.

Talk to us about that. Yeah, um, how it happens is, again, as I said, I set the intention and things happen. You know, I, I go to London and I begin to work with people there. There's a call now for me to go to Nigeria. You know, there's an opportunity here to be interviewed on the radio in Accra. You know, after that, I'll return to United States and I'll begin to step into opportunities there. And each time I go, I speak that big impossible goal, and I I speak to you, to others, Andre, in exactly the way that I'm doing it now, and I speak with clear integrity. I make sure that in my speaking you can understand what it is that I'm healing for myself on the planet, the vision that I carry for the world. You know my passion for bringing people together and throwing parties and collecting beautiful people. You know I have a passion and a talent for public speaking and just being there organizationally and interested in how people grow and develop. So I just keep speaking who I am and what turns me on, and then I move with the next thing. So how the Finding Your Big book came was simply that, you know, it was time for that book to come out. Um, friends of mine rallied around me and said, let's get this book out here. Uh, they came and they said, okay, you're in the world for the next year. So I have a group of people surround me. So, um, you could call it my mastermind. I call it my seed collective. And so I go to them and they listen and they say, well, it seems as if you may want to do XYZ. So they You know, they give me my marching orders. People in my collective, how we did the masterclass, I hope you got a chance to look at that, Andrea. My friend Sekou Louka, filmmaker, came with $20,000 worth of equipment, walked up the 5 flights in my apartment and shot that in a world-class manner. So we appreciate value. So he took the frameworks and the work that I had, he brought his filmmaking to it, and voilà, we have the product. Same thing in Accra here. You know, I'm staying at the hub of a collective that I've been working with for the last 2 and a half years. They say, "Come, Alou." They bring their resources, the people they know, and things blossom. So we're using the principles of the Bloom philosophy to reach those goals. So my eye's not so much on the goal as much as it's honoring with integrity the work, knowing that for me to accomplish one, I cannot do it by myself. Yeah. I need to be in the company of other people who also have big impossible goals. So I'm very careful about the frequency of the people around me, right? I know that it has to be valuable for myself and others. So what exactly is the value that I'm creating for others, and what is the value that a big has in it for me? So I'm very clear about those things. I'm very clear that it needs to be specific. And it needs to be measurable and called in from very high vision, from an aligned big. I know that my meditation work helps me to ground it and to embody it so that I can speak it clearly and it's with integrity and its full power. That's all I know. And the big, by the way, it's a symbol. It's not a goal that I put out there like if I don't accomplish it, my ego's gonna be shattered. No, but I speak it clearly. Time I speak, a million collectives impacted by the end of the year using the principles of finding your big. It sets a frequency up in the world. So each time I speak it, uh, you know, someone knows, okay, let me stand back, you know, let me come forward. Like you, Adrienne, I never knew you were watching.

You know, say that we don't know. It's a perfect opportunity to remind ourselves we never know who's watching, who's inspired, who's really, you know, accessing hope as a result of the work that's being witnessed, you know, and the work that's being created. So it's— yeah, I love that. And I, you know, I think about like the movie from— I don't know when it was, the '80s and '90s— Field of Dreams, where it's often said, like, if you build it, they will come. And it's this idea of, you know, setting forth the vision And then, you know, and it— and, and keep— and the integrity of it all serving as the anchor, you know, to the work is the difference, I believe. You know, I believe that that's— I think it's experienced. I think that people, ourselves included, um, you gotta love Brooklyn and all the, the horns honking. It's funny, the difference, right? Like, I'm hearing the sounds, I'm hearing the sounds that, you know, different animals, or there's, there's nature behind you and there's like traffic and chaos behind me. Um, but yeah, you know, integrity being the anchor is the world of a difference. Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, that's the two-part of those. That was one part of it, like what's the problem? And then what's the other question?

How can the intentional healing and wellness community support the, your big, this idea of like letting us support you, support us and back and forth.

Well, the intentional wellness community can support because I think that community understands energy work and this work is energy work. Each of the questions, and we're simply an institute for the study of activating the elements of nature within our being by asking questions. And experience in the physical body and in the world. And so when we ask those 5 questions, again, they're elementally calibrated to create a balance and alignment and open a channel, the same channel Martha Graham speaks about that is moving through us. And we don't have to believe in it, it's always there. So the intentional wellness community can hear this very, very clearly. And it's another tool in our arsenal when we're working with other people. I'd love for everyone in the wellness community to know this system and to be trained in it so that when you are speaking to people, whether in, in therapy or as coaches, you can actually begin to ask those questions, use it as a methodology, a sequential methodology to help give direction to the lives of the people we serve. But first of all, do it for yourself. You won't be able to apply it unless you've lived it.

Yeah, that part, right? It's really, it's, it's the call to Action. And this is really, you know, especially for— this is going out to everyone who is, you know, a healer, some people who are in service to others, you know, coaches, guides, mentors, all of it, right? There's a tendency to pour out, you know, and really want to support and go there first. And I think that the most effective way to support the people is by starting with self. So yeah, the work gets to first happen, happen there. Yeah, I love that. Well, we're gonna in a minute, you know, share out how folks can find you and so that they can, you know, really go on this journey, which is exciting. So we're moving into the final piece, which is speed rounds. And so I like to call it the Forwarding Four. So no mistake, right? I will ask you 4 questions, and you will answer quickly with the first thing that comes to your mind, knowing that there's no right or wrong answer here. It's just really where you feel guided.

It.

So tell me when you're ready and I will jump in and ask you the first question.

Ready? Go for it.

Go for it. All right, number 1: What is one thing you learned about yourself during the pandemic?

How to love myself.

Great. Number 2: Name one area of your life where you are intentionally healing.

Fun and adventure.

Having fun. Oh, that, that one stings. I would do that. I love that. I love that. All right, great. Number 3: What does self-care look like for you these days?

Yoga. Meditation.

Breathwork. Yeah, love that. All right. And number 4, what's your call to action to the collective?

To my collective? To find your big. Find your big. We all have one, baby.

Yeah, I love it. I love it. And given what you shared about it, It's, you know, yeah, it's an invitation to really go on a special, a special journey, you know, to arrive. I love it. Well, Olubode, thank you. This has been, this has been amazing. And I want to really give you an opportunity to share out where can folks find you? How can they get the books? How can they go on this particular journey? Share, share all the good, the good.

You are amazing.

Thank you.

You're absolutely amazing. And thank you for just continuing your work and blossoming in the way that you have. And are. So just thank you very much for providing the platform. Um, the main website for Bloom Education is Bloom Education Institute. We're an institute, so Bloom— put in the www.bloomeducationinstitute— no.com— bloomeducationinstitute.com— no, no, no.com—.institute.

Even better.

And then on Instagram, I'm Olubode, O-L-U-B-O-D-E. @olubode. That's it. And let me see if there's any way— I'm also on LinkedIn as Olubode Shawn Brown, S-H-A-W-N Brown. Um, let me see if there's any— that's it pretty much. On my Instagram, there's a, there's a Linktree, um, where my website is, so you can access all the information, my bio, uh, the topics I speak on, etc., etc.

There's amazing, amazing. All right, so I will absolutely, in the, uh, show notes of the podcast episode, I will outline all of that so it's easy for folks to find you. Um, we want to make it easy for them to get on their, you know, their journey to finding their big, uh, thank you for, for joining me. Thank you for being willing to, uh, go where you didn't know where we were going to go. Um, I'm incredibly grateful. Yeah. And I am inspired by the work and, you know, looking forward to, uh, have the book in my possession. Um, and everybody, thank you for tuning in, you know, to this episode of the V Spot. To be continued.