How To Use Testosterone, Peptide Stacks That Will Blow Your Mind, The Truth About Getting Peptides On The Internet, & Much More

My name is ben greenfield and on this episode of the ben greenfield life.

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In all right my guest on today's podcast has been on the show before twice he did this big podcast with me a couple years ago about hair growth and about reversing hair loss and about all these crazy things you can rub into your scalp and that was a great episode i'll link to that in the show notes and then he also came back with one of his buddies actually that that hair growth one was actually with his buddy nick andrews but then he before that he was on my podcast talking about metformin and if metformin is really dangerous and kind of like early on in the peptide days was sharing a lot of these peptides for muscle gain and for fat loss we talked about testosterone optimization therapy and a lot more and he's just a wealth of knowledge i would describe him as kind of like this cowboy biohacker who's kind of like deep into the science but really does a good job expressing it to the layperson if you're watching the video version you can also see a video of him and see that he does indeed practice what he preached my guess is a fit guy himself his name's jay campbell jay not only has a fantastic book about testosterone optimization therapy but he also has a host of other super helpful courses many of which i'll link to in the show notes which you can find at bengreenfieldlife dot com limitless life he has a peptides course he has a testosterone optimization course and perhaps most relevant to today's discussion jay sent me a package last week full of peptides now i usually go through a doctor to get my peptides but based on a few conversations i've had offline with jay and some of the stuff he's been sending me he's been able to actually make peptides accessible to people who want to order them from the internet without going through a doc and want access to some really really interesting stacks that i honestly have all sorts of questions about jay because i started using this stuff and feel like i'm a teenager right now with whatever you sent me that i've been injected into my body and and yes my wife is taking the tanning peptide and she's very very happy about it because she's developing this tan beautiful you know like not not an orange fake spray tan but she's she's getting tan and we could talk about that one and the reason i'm avoiding it because it gives me erections that leave me up for hours on end but we can't we can get into all that so again folks the shownotes are going to be at bengreenfieldlife dot com limitless life i'll link to all jay's stuff along with all these peptides and nootropics and everything we talk about i'll throw discount codes all that jazz in there for you so anyways jay you ready to do this let's.

Do it ben thank you so much for that amazing introduction i love and appreciate you my brother i love and.

Appreciate you too man and i got to ask you because i don't even know if we talked about this in the past before but i'm sure people will want to know like what is your actual background because i know i mean you're not a physician but you know a lot of stuff when it comes to the deep science so tell me about your background in all this.

Yeah so i mean i have a college degree bachelor of science my major is international relation i do have a minor in molecular biology so i was always kind of a science nerd going through school but as you guessed it and like most guys like us you know i'm pretty much self learned and you know my story which i gave on the first podcast which i'm not going to you know provide here go back and listen to the first podcast like you said it was amazing you know since i started therapeutic testosterone after getting kicked in the testicles playing basketball in my late twenties i just became this amazing you know astute student of pep pubmed you know medline what we had access to back then i mean i'm fifty two years old so i mean you know this goes way back now twenty three years i've been using testosterone in almost twenty years using therapeutic peptides so you know at that time ben it was just kind of the wild wild west on the internet and thankfully i had access to pubmed and medline from the relationships and the friends that i met and stuff like that and so i just really like you said you know biohacked myself was my own lab rat was very meticulous about what i did until eventually you know enough people who knew me were like dude you gotta write a book about this and so obviously i wrote my first book which was the definitive trt manual was actually done in twenty fourteen but published in twenty fifteen was that.

The one we did a podcast on the trt manual the one we did.

Was the second one which was the much more advanced one which is the.

Trt bible that was fantastic like that taught me so much about aromatase inhibitors and injections versus creams versus pellets it's still one of the go to resources you know you have that folder on your computer where you keep all the pdf's that you don't want to delete it's in there and i still review that i still go back to when people have questions about testosterone i've sent that to doctors who do hormone replacement therapy who have changed some of the things that they're doing just based off of what you wrote in that book and i won't i won't dwell on that too much just because we have a whole podcast on it i'll link to it in the show notes along with the book but you know just to interrupt your story i don't want to derail you too much but you said you got kicked in the testicles and that's what got you into testosterone.

Therapy yeah i mean i was a you know ex college and pro basketball player and i still played in men's competitive leagues and it was when i was twenty nine almost thirty was supposed to be in thirty when i got kicked and you know just went out of the game you know keeled over and about six seven weeks later started feeling the effects of what i had no idea at the time was you know type two hypogonadism so i was lucky enough to go to a ppo.

Doctor type type two hypogonadism that means it's not coming from your brain it's coming from your testicles that that you can't make testosterone yeah it's essentially what.

They refer to as environmental testosterone deficiency okay and the ppo doctor that i went to recommended me to a urologist i mean endocrinologist again as you know there's no coincidences only synchronicities in the universe and the guy that he recommended me to was a guy by the name of doctor raymond scruggs who happened to be a harvard educated endocrinologist who was in orange county california and i met with him and he was like this is weird let me run your testosterone and when he did you know i had like a testosterone level i don't remember this is back in nineteen ninety nine but like one hundred eighty to two hundred twenty or something so you know classically low he told me that i could start therapeutic testosterone and get myself right as rain and he said go home talk to your fiance at the time and find out if you guys are good with it and so of course she was like well you're a smart guy yeah sure and then started using it at that time even then there wasn't the obviously advanced protocols that we have now but as he said within six to seven weeks bro i felt absolutely amazing and so when i went back to him and he wanted to withdraw me i was like no no no no no i don't want to come off this and so then from that point i was thirty and a half i just became a student of testosterone and of course various other biohacking things and eventually twelve years later i wrote the book the first one which is the trt manual in twenty fourteen and then of course the tot bible which was written in twenty eighteen and then you and i spoke like three months later did you.

Know by the way did you know that i also had a testicular injury i i used to ride motorcycles a lot i was super into motocross and not really racing but i just did a lot like every i was homeschooled and so typically i'd finish school around eleven am or noon and i'd just be out dirt biking for like the next two or three hours and we had all these trails cut through our land i grew up on about six acres in north idaho and so i had this this whole track out in the backyard and as i was going around one of the corners at about i was probably doing you know thirty thirty five miles an hour so i was really busting through this corner the front wheel hit a rock and i went flying over the handlebars and the only thing that stopped me and slowed me down was my crotch like ripped into the handlebars sent me flipping and sliding about thirty feet and i laid there for two hours until somebody found me because i couldn't walk i couldn't move one of the landscapers actually found me dragged me up to the house where they actually had an ambulance come bring me to the hospital my testicles were already at that point like the size of baseballs and i had to go through a series of visits to the urologist to the endocrinologist they weren't sure if i was going to be able to have kids i remember the thing i was most pissed about was i had to miss the entire basketball season that year because i couldn't jump i couldn't run and you know it wasn't until i i conceived twins with my wife that i realized i actually was fertile i hadn't done any you know sperm morphology tests or anything like that but yeah i i the the the ultimate outcome of that really besides taking great care to protect my testicles and contact sports and motorbiking was i've been shy on motorcycles ever since but i don't think it resulted in any type of secondary hypogonadism on my part i think i induced more primary hypogonadism through like twenty years of endurance racing a low carb diet and kind of a masochistic amount of exercise and maybe we can get into that at some point but ultimately back to your story the testosterone optimization manual that you wrote you said you were in twenty fifteen and that's where i interrupted your story.

Yeah no exactly well i mean i i have more questions about you so for me you know the doctor was like he's guessing that it was a combination of environmental factors obviously and then also being kicked which as you know and we can you're right we can get deeper into this now i literally just came back from ammg's medical conference and and this is congenital doctor rudolph eberwine who works at a clinic in south florida did a presentation on edcs on endocrine disrupting chemicals and it was ben one of the top five presentations that i have ever seen at any medical conference and i've been heading i've been going to the medical conferences now for eleven years and it was just about like how bad it is right now out in the world for young men due to again all these environmental contaminants so it's interesting because then it wasn't nearly as bad for you and i back then obviously you were injured and i was injured but it's crazy how bad the environment is contaminated i know you know doctor anthony j and you know he wrote his book estrogeneration he started talking about this and was really the first guy but now it's like measured in the studies there's all sorts of peer review so he published a study or he didn't publish a study but he presented information about a study that's like three years old it shows that one out of four men between the ages of twenty and thirty five have a testosterone deficiency and the problem with that information is that that's only the men that are being measured so imagine how bad it really is.

Because a lot a lot of guys will only measure if they feel like something's wrong so there's probably more people out there but what did did it come up at all at the medical conference anything that surprised you because a lot of people are aware jay right of like plastics and styrofoam and maybe the bpa on receipts at the gas station or something like that but were there any particular elements that really surprise you as far as environmental barriers when it comes to testosterone production yeah i.

Mean i i don't think your audience is because you cover this so well and you do such deep dives with so many different people on this but dude dirty electromagnetic frequencies are in the major cities are absolutely terrible so you know obviously you already know about blue light i mean let's just put it this way it's almost inescapable now for younger men and women i mean right now we have the worst fertility crisis in the history of the world i mean again and since first world being measurement you know it's very difficult for thirty mid thirties and early forties couples to have kids especially if you live again in large urban you know coastal population centers i mean it is really really bad and i think it comes from everywhere again you know blue light computer screens you know being fixed on technology from video games and netflix and all this stuff it's rewiring dopaminergic pathways in the brain so that so that.

Would be primary hypogonadism you're not saying like if you're shining blue light on your balls what you're saying is the actual exposure to some of these electromagnetic frequencies can result in more of a primary hypogonadal effect it's definitely both i.

Mean you know if you talk to the docs you know they when they get a six i mean this is you know the normal story now sixteen to eighteen to twenty year old kid comes in their parents bring them in and they say my son you know had a testosterone test done you know with direct labs or private imd labs or you know one of the independent places and he has a one hundred fifty a one hundred and twenty i mean i had i was talking to doctors or seeing kids who are under twenty that have seventy less sub one hundred total testosterone and free testosterone levels that are like basically non existent and the only thing that they can you know extrapolate or you know basically pontificate is that it's due to video games lack of exercise obviously crappy food young men are not and you know this goes actually to women too because you could make the same argument with women in that many of them are quote unquote reaching puberty earlier menstruating earlier it's just basically the way that they are living is different than the way that you and i lived people are not outside grounding in nature they're not taking part in athletics again there's obviously various people that are but the majority is.

Not not not my sons maybe i need to buy my son some emf blocking underwear which i actually own and use i'm not like brand specific but i think there's one company called lambs there's another company called snowballs and they make the the icing underwear or the underwear that keeps the temperature cool which is a whole different discussion but man my sons are eating fresh eggs from the chickens they're outside in the sunshine all day they're rarely on devices except for school and they're finally starting to go through puberty and you know they're rolling in jiu jitsu they're playing tennis they're lifting weights and now when i you know like when you hug your kids like i'll hug them in the morning and they'll hug me back and it'll be like a vice grip and it's kind of cool to see my sons going through puberty and you know developing muscles and fitness and drive and aggression and i feel pretty good about where they're at but based on what you've just described i probably should buy him some emf blocking you know teenage boy boxers that's what you have to.

Do i mean you know my daughters are fifteen and thirteen and they're also very athletically inclined my fifteen year old is in cheer and gymnastics you know she flips across the room like twelve times but as parents we really do have to be proactive and obviously teach them you know healthy habits and again i know your books you know do a great job on all this and again i don't want to rabbit hole on this but you know the situation is that right now our society at least in the west is being contaminated it's like a multiple multi siege you know environmental contamination effect across everyone both male and females and again if you're not proactive and do the things that you and i talk about all the time you're behind the eight ball and it's happening now for younger and younger men which is just you know literally insane but to get back to like the original you know thread of you know me writing about testosterone and then just becoming my own biohacker you know i was using peptides ben since two thousand four oh wow yeah so in like the deepest part of like when i was really into the self experimentation and using testosterone on myself and by the way i've used you know as i said in the first podcast i've used every injectable i mean delivery system.

Including injections intranasal what about intranasal so.

I haven't used intranasal but i'm very familiar with it you know doctor remsami in miami is kind of the guy that was really behind doing that and now they have obviously natesto is actually an fda approved form of testosterone some people tell me that it's okay but majority of people that i've spoken to and also physicians that are prescribed it says that most patients that use it get headaches and very various other quote unquote side effects or irregularities so i mean it's like everything some things work for some people some things don't but with testosterone it's still the same old tried and true the two best delivery systems by far are injectable and again when i say best i mean to simulate the body's natural diurnal pulsar release of endogenous testosterone and that's going to be either daily injections microdose injections or every other day or what i use which is the transcrotal testosterone cream which again you place on the base of your scrotum and again the reason that is is it's eight times more permeable and that's through like eight or nine maybe even more now scientific studies that show that and again that's also the half life of transcrotal testosterone again is two hundred milligrams per milliliter testosterone is about four to six hours now all men and of course women excrete testosterone differently they cleave it in the bloodstream molecularly at different rates and speeds and so some people who are quote unquote hyper excreters of testosterone both male and female may need a second dosage of cream in the day but again everybody's different on that stuff so there are now as i was telling you a year ago there are oral delivery systems that are attempting to be patented there's a couple that are already fda approved they're so weak you know in all the studies they get guys testosterone to like three hundred to four hundred and you know free to like twenty to twenty five but you know for anybody who's a clinician who's doing this regularly and understands this that's not optimal you know especially when we understand that as we age our natural production is cessating or you know lessening so why would we want you know normal of lessening when we when we can have optimal so i mean again it's always the same thing it's like if you're going to work with a physician that does this make sure they understand how to do it and that they've been working with a lot of different patients for.

A long time for kind of like the average guy even though i know averages are tough to approximate using something like the scrotal cream approach and doing the micro dosing that you recommended simply because as you alluded to on the last podcast these big bullish injections in no way simulate the natural diurnal variation of testosterone that should occur from day to day and so you do something like the microdose injection or as you alluded to the microdose cream about how many milligrams in the average dose of cream would you use if you're doing like a little bit in the morning and a little bit in the evening.

Scrotally the bigger problem is that across the world now there's a lot of different compounding pharmacies and we're going to talk about compounding pharmacies at the end of this podcast because it's a very important point you're compounding various different milligram dosage amounts right so at the beginning as you know all of the quote unquote bad studies that were done on transdermal testosterone were androgel which was fifty milligrams per milliliter which is absolutely almost a non existent amount of testosterone when you understand how testosterone again is molecularly cleaved in the bloodstream for men as we age so that dosage and delivery system was absolutely useless because nobody ever got any kind of even restoration or optimization and now you have compounders making one hundred milligrams per milliliter even one hundred and fifty but all the studies that show benefit are at two hundred milligrams per milliliter and there's like three different three different brands there's like hrt there's atrovacious and i forget the other one but it doesn't matter they're all basically compounded two hundred milligrams per milliliter so to answer your question normally the recommendation for scripts for docs that write scripts for this for men is two to three clicks in a topic click applicator right so you just kind of twist it until it comes out twice or three times and that's either going to be dosed one time in the morning and possibly another two to three clicks in the afternoon and again everybody's.

Going to be different how many milligrams would there be in a click or in two to three clicks well so.

It'S it's two hundred milligrams per milliliter so basically three clicks is going to be two hundred milligrams right so if you're doing two clicks you're probably somewhere between one hundred and one hundred fifty.

Milligrams now so you so you'd be at like two and a half to three grams per week yes but here's.

The thing you can't extrapolate milligrams and grams from injectable to milligrams and grams in cream because of the delivery i mean because the half life is so much shorter so in transdermal even all that much the way it's cleaved in the bloodstream most of it is not used and it's not accessible so that's why it's that's much higher dosage than actually the injectable which again is a higher impact delivery system because it crosses the blood brain barrier and also gets into portal circulation faster so it's just something to understand that the difference between injectable and cream is that the way it's molecularly absorbed is totally different and that's why you need a higher dose of the cream and again it's just a much shorter half life some people if they use three clicks in the morning and they're a hyper excretor of testosterone they could literally be almost efficient by six or seven o' clock at night you know what i mean and so that's why they take a second dosage but for me i've never had to take a second dosage i'm not a hyper excreter i usually take two to three clicks if i go away on a weekend with my wife and we want to get frisky or something like that maybe i'll apply another couple of clicks in the afternoon you notice.

The effects that acutely huh yeah i.

Mean again because the half life is so short so you know most guys who start with the cream are going to notice something within you know first time users are going to notice something within forty eight hours without question you're going to notice enhanced dopamine signaling you're going to enhance well being better energy and again this is just the way the testosterone molecule cleaves and esterifies in the bloodstream but again we're all different and when you're working with a physician that understands how to prescribe this they're going to notice your effects and work with you and connect with you and communicate with you over the first couple of weeks that you do it to really tailor your dosage or titrate down or even maybe titrate up and again we're all so different i mean i see a lot of people that just are like dude i have to take a second dosage of the cream because by four or five o' clock i start feeling down so you know one of the things that doctor j and again all the there's so many of them out there now you probably know twenty people that look at people's dna and analyze polymorphisms and all that stuff they can tell you if you're a hyper excretor some people too when they take therapeutic testosterone they have magnesium magnesium depletion issues and it literally freaks them out i won't tell you stories of things that i've heard from some of my doctor friends about working with people who have that issue and what happens to them they get like go paranoid and have anxiety i mean it's a very small percentage of people but you know obviously for the most part most people who use therapeutic testosterone feel amazing.

On it why why do some folks recommend instead of getting on therapeutic testosterone to take something like clomid or some kind of aromatase inhibitor what's the logic.

Behind that well there's no logic behind using an aromatase inhibitor for testosterone optimization other than just misreading the studies or the science as you know on our first podcast and as i continue to be a beacon of knowledge when it comes to teaching people we'd never want to ever block estrogen under any circumstances and of course when i say under any circumstances there's always an outlier position but but for people using therapeutic testosterone and this even goes into the bodybuilding world who are using obviously high dosages super physiologic levels testosterone is the anabolic signal along with dht which is dihydrotestosterone but the protective effects come from estradiol which obviously aromatizes into estrogen and we need healthy and i would even argue high levels of estrogen to confer protection to all of our biological systems right so the heart the vasculature the brain bone mineral density all of these various organ and biological systems in our body are protected by higher levels of estrogen and all of the science shows this but there has been a misinterpretation and also a misextrapilation of seeing men who have high estrogen levels but also high inflammation and visceral fat levels and so what ends up happening is they correlate the high inflammation and high visceral fat with the high estrogen and then they tell people and when i say they i'm talking about doctors who misread this that there are high estrogen symptoms there's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms this is a total misinterpretation there's high inflammation due to high levels of fat obviously estrogenic fat which again is visceral body fat and that is all due to metabolic dysregulation again from like obesity too much belly fat blah blah blah so there's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms there's just high inflammation and high estrogenic body fat which again is visceral body fat which is extremely inflammatory so this is where people get confused so when you take therapeutic testosterone you never block estrogen because you need as much estrogen as possible to confer all of the healthy effects that estrogen again confers to all those organ systems now bodybuilders will take ai's and take also serms which are selective estrogen receptor modulators for various things because again they're taking super physiologic levels and when you take that high of levels and by the way we're not talking about what you and i are talking about we're just kind of just making this aside so people understand this but even when they take massive levels of steroids and other things they obviously have a lot of aromatization from all the various drugs blocking the side effects that come from that which are obviously water retention mood imbalances just kind of like not feeling stable because you have so much drug circulating in your system taking an ai to suppress again what they think are the side effects from it is so harmful there's a lot of people out there now physicians that are doing tests you can do dexa scans you can also do biological age tests and you can see what ai's which again aromatase inhibitor blocking medications do to your biological age to your telomeres i mean they're basically cell decayants i mean literally i would say over time and again when there's more data from the biological age tests aggregators you'll be able to see what people that are using when they use ai's and by the way this also is going to get into as we get deeper into this when we talk about hair regrowth and loss it's the same thing with dht inhibitors so basically all these things that block natural god given created systems in the human you.

Mean like rogaine or something like that.

Dude all of them now obviously the clinical versions are stronger than the over the counter versions like rogaine but yeah like finasteride and dutasteride all of these five dht inhibitors pd five or whatever inhibitors i mean all of these things are horrible to biological system health and again in the next three to five years my assumption and maybe it'll take even longer because everything moves so slow in medicine we are going to start seeing that men who have been using high dose ais and high dose dht inhibitors are having really poor biological age values because of what they're doing to.

The telomeres okay so i don't drink.

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You know my intention for having you on the show today jay was actually to talk about peptides and we've we've already taken a deep dive into testosterone.

And i'm but it's good because you have a huge audience people need to understand this you know i should make.

Sure that i mention again you guys need to read jay's book and listen to our previous podcast on testosterone because even though i would love to to ask jay additional questions about estrogens and liver metabolism and some dosing questions i actually really want to make sure that we talk about peptides today absolutely and by the way also read this new book by darren olian called fatal conveniences i think it's called fatal conveniences or how i got to look at my shelf it's back there somewhere anyways read it new book by darren olian if you want to wrap your head around some environmental factors that might not be so great from an estrogenic or testosterone standpoint but back to peptides jay you know you sent me this package and i've never really ordered peptides from the internet because you know the the general consensus at least to my understanding has been issues with purity issues with some of these pharmacies and issues with you potentially emptying your pocketbook on what could be very expensive peptides with low efficacy or impurities saline water you swore to me that what you were about to send me was the equivalent or safe or what i could be getting currently through a physician which is obviously a little less convenient than just being able to go order your peptides from the internet or from something like this new website what's it called limitless life limitless life website that you've made so what is going on exactly with disability to be able to now order peptides from the internet so first off i just.

Want to say i agree with you so from my personal perspective as i told you i've been using peptides since two thousand four i always in the beginning i mean first off in two thousand four doctors weren't prescribing peptides anyway there was no nobody knew anything about peptides unless you were involved insulin yeah i mean exactly but i mean from a standpoint of you know from a clinical compounding pharmacy prescribing peptides as they have in the let's say the last six or seven years there was nobody there that was involved in peptides and you got it from basically being in underground forums bodybuilding usenet groups and stuff like that and so my first foray into peptides was using ipamorelin in two thousand four and it's really funny because i think you know this i did a podcast in early march on our friends our mutual friends mindpub sal adam doug and all those guys and we went really really deep on peptides and it was an amazing podcast you know for the for the public and of course for their audience and for a lot of people but i'll include that.

In the show notes they're great the mind pump guys they are dude and.

It was an amazing podcast yeah i'd definitely point to that it'd be really helpful for a lot of people but a lot of people that listened to that to their audience heard me talk about southern research company and this was the company in texas that i and everybody else that was using peptides you know which there was obviously obviously a very rogue small group of humans back then that were using it but like there were people in that audience that heard that and they were like this guy's legit and they messaged me and they're like whatever happened to them and i'm like man your guess is as good as my guess but again two thousand four through two thousand six i was using ipamorelin through southern research company in texas whoever they were and obviously again they were back i mean i know who they were without getting anybody in trouble they were basically the back office operation of a compound pharmacy that was just selling these things on the internet you know through bodybuilding magazines and underground forums and dude ipamorelin was the most profound thing at the time that i had ever used i mean next to testosterone and then as you know and we could go deeper on this and obviously i write about this in the book with the god stack and all these other things testosterone and growth hormone inducing peptides and of course human growth hormone itself have a synergistic effect and so when you're using a surgically precise dose of testosterone and growth hormone or any peptide inducing growth hormone you know like ipamorelin tessamorelin cjc we'll talk about those they're just amazing together so when i started using ipamorelin i was like wow i got leaner i put on maybe three to five pounds of muscle my training was better my sleep was incredible but to originally your question it's weird because again with compounding pharmacies selling peptides through prescriptions with doctors in the last six or seven years and then previous with my experience using research chemical companies i was reluctant like you to talk about research chemical companies but limitless life nootropics the owner who i'm obviously a very close personal friend with chris mercer he actually does certificates of authenticity on all of his peptides he also is the only guy i know in the industry and again i'll mention names there's obviously peptide sciences is a big and great company they've been selling peptides for close to i think a decade now somewhere between eight and ten years and they're by far the biggest outfit from a gross revenue standpoint in the industry for peptides but they're not testing their peptides and chris came to me two years ago and was like look man i follow you i think you're awesome blah blah blah would you be interested in promoting my peptides there's a reason i want you to and here's the reason and then him and i obviously became really good friends so fast forward to now obviously since the book launched i have affiliate links in the book of course to limitless and limitless has exploded i mean they went from doing i mean they're basically doing seven to eight times revenue a month than they were doing before the book launched and obviously the mind pump podcast helped the book is selling like crazy on amazon of course a lot of people ben are looking at peptides what's.

The name of the book it's called.

Optimize your health with therapeutic peptides okay yeah and then there's a subtitle and.

So these limitless life peptides they have a certificate of authenticity are they doing something different that other compounding pharmacists aren't that allow them to maintain that purity.

It'S hard for me to answer that because i don't know this is what i'll say i don't know of any compounder or research chemical company we can talk about the difference between research chemical companies and compound compound pharmacies if you want i'm happy to but i don't know anybody that's actually going out on the line and paying an independent third party company to test their peptides because it costs money one and number two they're using an fda registered dea certified lab to do it right so whether they're a compounder or a research chemical company who's actually doing that now again the compound people will hear this podcast and they'll say ben that's just part of the deal if you're a compounder well is it i mean again who's.

Testing the compounders yeah that that makes sense well i i can tell you that i began to use what you sent last week and i had forgotten you know you brought up ipamorelin you sent me ipamorelin and tessamorelin you actually asked me about a few of the things that i'd want to try and i named those two because i did a stint of them a couple of years ago i think i did two different eight to twelve week stints of them during the year and saw profound increases in lean muscle gain and fat loss despite no significant changes in diet and exercise and you know my sleep score has been like ninety two to ninety five percent for the past week since i started doing that i actually do the ipamorelin injection in the morning and the tesamorelin in the evening and yeah i had forgotten how unstoppable you feel when you're taking these things and so the epamorel and the tesamorello why is it that that compound or that or that that stack seems to work.

So well that is a really good question so i obviously we wrote about that in the book so i know you know you already mentioned nick you know nick andrews and i were involved in writing the book we obviously produced the course which you were so gracious to promote for us last year and then we're going to talk about a new course that's coming that's going to be for babies and then let's just take a step back before i answer your question i think you know this you know your audience is a lot bigger than mine i mean the reality is is that peptides represent this like new form of let's call it quantum healing in medicine right and in the last three years regardless of our opinions of what have happened a lot of people feel burned they have lost trust in allopathic medicine they've lost trust in you know let's call it the system and so what's happening right now is a lot of people are coming into you know let's just call it collective awakening or mass consciousness and they're like peptides and i don't want to rabbit hole and talk to about bioregulators but i know we're going to be talking about that because that's even a bigger thing coming because they're orals and not injectables but the biggest issue with peptides as you know and you just said it you're like oh i injected this at night and this in the morning then that literally eliminates from our you know internal jay campbell team's surveys and questionnaires that we do eighty five percent of people are still too afraid to inject themselves right like you and i can sit there and we can show them that it's a thirty two or thirty one gauge insulin and you can jab yourself anywhere and you won't even.

Feel it basically what millions of diabetics.

Do daily exactly but again it's a hang up it's actually called tyrannophobia which is a fear of needles needle phobia but it's called tyrannophobia fear of injection.

Yes that was a fear of dinosaurs.

But makes sense it's the craziest name what it means yeah me too tyrannophobia but the reality is is that you got eighty five percent of the public that will not inject themselves so like we can sit up here and we can talk about how amazing these things are but there's still this like level of fear that the consumer the end user has to overcome and once they do i mean obviously it's simple right it's like brushing your teeth but it's very interesting because that's the biggest bugaboo as i've gotten so deep into this and honestly as i told you four months ago and you were obviously very gracious to write the forward for the book and i'm very grateful about that i appreciate it you guys always say man i truly love and appreciate what.

You do for me embarrassingly live on the podcast could not remember the title of the book i wrote the foreword for but i remember it was quite.

Good you talk to a lot of people bro it's okay no but seriously like truthfully it's crazy to see how big peptides are becoming right now in the mass consciousness i mean i cannot handle my assistants cannot handle the emails and the messages that i'm getting and so i'm letting you know a forewarning as when this podcast runs man you are going to be getting so many people message you asking you questions not that you don't already but you know about this because this is just such a big thing right now but at the end of the day injecting yourself is like i said brushing your teeth after you do it once perhaps twice you're never going to be afraid of it you're not going to have fear of it it's something that's very easy to do it doesn't require any kind of skill watch one video listen to me and you talk about it the next course that i have coming which is called peptides demystified is going to be a basic intro newbies total neophyte level course on how to do this with all of the questions that people have that you and i take for granted you know again how to prepare your needle how to use bacterial static water how to inject a pop diet all this kind of stuff so it's going to be much more helpful and you know i to want will apologize to the audience not your audience but the world at large and say you know i really took for granted a lot of the basics because i've been using peptides for so long but you know most people have no familiarity with them at all so i'm really grateful now that there's you know obviously you giving me this forum and obviously the mind pump guys too to really talk about this because i'm telling you man it's mind blowing how many people are.

Interested in peptides i assume for back to that very simple stack that i think is is quite excellent especially for any exercise or fitness enthusiast or someone looking for the simultaneous muscle gain and fat loss effects that with ipamorelin in the morning and tessamorelin in the evening especially based off what i've seen in sleep parameters that the primary effect going on is a growth hormone inducing effect.

One hundred percent and i'm sorry i didn't answer your question that is the strongest mixture of peptides for exactly what you said to produce size and strength gains and also to minimize fat deposition now as you know and your audience of course knows too body fat loss and muscle gain is always relative to caloric intake right like you're not going to magically put on twenty pounds of muscle by using tessa and ipva unless you eat relative to doing that which.

I have been doing by the way i've put on ten pounds in the past month and a half even though i only began taking these peptides a week and a half ago i can.

Tell in your chest right now by the way bro it's pretty swollen the.

Impetus for that thank you is that i weigh one hundred eighty two right now after being in the one hundred sixty eight to one hundred seventy range for the longest time and i'm six foot two so that's pretty light all things considered and my sons and i have a free diving course coming up and a spearfishing trip off the coast of north carolina so all three of us have been making an attempt to put on a little bit of extra cushioning and insulation so to speak my strategy i interviewed this guy named michael chernow about morning routines and habits and he has an oatmeal company it's like oatmeal with collagen and pumpkin seeds and chia seeds and obviously carbohydrates if you're lean are if you're a hard gainer carbohydrates are kind of the secret secret sauce for putting on a little bit of extra mass so all i've been doing is consuming one to two packets of those three hundred fifty calorie oatmeal doses per day and that's awesome my weight gain has gone through the roof and the interesting side effect as anyone who's been low carb or keto has probably experienced is that when you increase carbohydrates there seems to be a pretty potent androgenic effect so despite me not injecting the tanning peptide that my wife is using i have been waking up multiple times per night with a raging tent pitched and i think it's due to that carbohydrate intake so we're rabbit holing a little bit but that tessamorel and ipamorelin combo as you alluded to especially if you're eating adequate calories seems to really move the dial for people who want to put on a little bit more muscle in the gym but kind of related to that in the gym activities there was a peptide i was kind of intrigued with that i believe when i interviewed i think it was ryan smith who runs the true diagnostics age testing company had described as something that when he began taking it added something like seven inches to his vertical jump which sounds like a stupid as seen on tv overhyped commercial type of claim but it was called five amino one mq is that correct five amino one mq i never used it you sent me a bottle it's an oral peptide and so i began taking that in the morning when i inject the epamorelin my workouts have been so i use that arx machine which quantifies force production i believe what ryan was saying because i feel like i've all of a sudden sprouted new motor neurons or new muscle fibers or something but describe to me what's going on with this five amino one mq i'm very surprised i hadn't kind of i've started to use it before with the effects that i've seen it's pretty crazy before.

I do that let me just finish on tesla and ipa because you nailed it tessa and ipa have a synergistic effect ipa is a gnrh and tessa is the opposite whatever it's called the.

Gnrr gonadotropin releasing hormones yeah okay so.

Combined they create massive intracellular water retention which is going to swell you up i mean that's why your boobs are so pumped right now bro i mean like literally taking both of those increases like you said i mean combined with the carbohydrate intake it's it's swelling your muscles so you're going to be a lot stronger and then yes you will have you know through your contractual force training with arx you're going to have you know hypertrophy i mean it's it's happening and by the way now that you're using the five amino to swing into that that's going to be absolutely permanent just intracellular skeletal mass or lean muscle gain so what five amino does is it optimizes and upregulates your mitochondria right so limitless has two formulations which he sent you both he sent you the capsules and he also sent you the powder the powder actually has nmn.

In it you mean nicotinamide mononucleotide the same nad precursor many people are using.

Exactly okay right and he's got the perfect dosage in there and again remember it's a synthesized powder i mean dude we could go rabbit hole right now we could talk about some of the nmi supplements out there which i think are mostly horse manure because i don't think that they're synthesized correctly and i don't think they're in the right dosage but without disparaging supplement companies or anything like that i definitely know because i've used it myself like you have that the effect that you're feeling is totally real the problem with five amino and it's not a problem but but in my experience and others you build up antibodies on it pretty quickly so i would tell you that you probably are going to get four to six weeks of feeling unreal it definitely does it definitely does increase.

Vascular density i mean you're going to feel stronger and more energized on it and like you said combined with iplan tessa you're going to be diesel i mean you're going to.

Be so strong yeah based on that effect you noted i do with all peptides go five days on two days off and i only use them for short stints during a year eight to twelve weeks and part of that is also based on the research i've seen out of russia from doctor cavinson and this might be a good way for us to get into the bioregulatory peptides on the age reversal and also mitochondrial effects and decrease in all cause risk of mortality with some relatively short peptide bioregulator stints of around ten days one to two times a year and so unlike many supplements people might be used to like say fish oil or creatine these seem to be pretty effective when cycled possibly due to that effect that you noted of the body simply getting used to them possibly something else but these bioregulators you know you mentioned they're available orally i believe also in injectable format why is it that those seem to be even more effective than peptides.

I mean man it's an amazing question i mean i don't want to sound like the biggest hype and pitch man of all time but i will give you credit when you did the podcast with phil mikens on bioregulators i literally was calling you the day before said hey do you know can you connect me with them or whatever and then two days later your podcast runs but like so since your podcast motivated me and my team i've interviewed him and my two copywriters have interviewed him and we're basically writing the be all end all articles on all of let's say the top twenty bioregulators right so just to say what you know to echo what you did in your first podcast and what i did with mine and him and now the articles that we're writing bioregulators you know no smoke and mirrors and no bullshit have the opportunity to be bigger than peptides and again for the simple reason that you and i already announced they're mostly oral capsules they fall under you know various the various governing regulatory agencies across the world nutritional supplements they're on amazon right now.

Unlike the injections these are far easier to get your hands on is what.

You'Re saying and people will use them right so you're going to have you know patient and consumer adherence versus the injectables people either afraid or just won't do it altogether because of that but the truth is bioregulators are amazing you already said it with cavenson for a long time all of the bioregulators were due to russian patent law were prohibited from being in the west now something has happened in the last year which i've attempted to ask questions and i don't really get any feedback from anybody other than that whatever is going on between russia ukraine the us and china has somehow now allowed these things into the west now and like i said they're on amazon obviously anti aging systems through their website profound health which you and i are of course both affiliates for are pushing them into the into the wild now too i'm looking into companies that can potentially bring them to the states and build you know a lab here to get involved in them but i mean dude honestly like when you really look at what these things do there are way bigger potentially than even peptides we can get into the synergies of using them together but but they're tissue specific they're organ system specific and they're also when used in combination with peptides biological i'm sorry biological system upregulating capable and so they're just they're unreal and again they have no side effects ever measured there's like thirty five to forty years of published research in russia and bulgaria using bioregulators that goes way back again because cavenson patented them and russia patent law was preventing them from being in the west we don't have any research i mean there's some but very minimal amount of peer review on them but again that's not the case in russia and again bulgaria where they've been used but for most people that have been using them that i have talked to and i want to give a shout out to a guy that both of us know dean henry who's over in the uae he says ben might not remember me but i met him in twenty nineteen yeah okay.

Cool i met him in dubai yeah.

Awesome exactly so shout out to dean he's an amazing guy he's been using bioregulators with himself and his clients for over five years now and he just raves about like six different ones you know maybe you and i will do another podcast at some point and we can go down maybe six months to a year from now when we use more of them because they're really starting to become available now they really are profound i'll just give you this story i like to talk about it like this imagine so for men you know you are forty now and getting older i'm fifty two basically anybody forty and up as we get older our prostate you know through what is known as bph benign prostate hypertrophy increases in size and when it increases in size it obviously causes issues with our bladder you know it puts pressure on you know the machinery down there so that most guys have to wake up in the middle of night as they age and take a pee imagine taking a prostate bioregulator that literally specifically targets the prostate bend and shrinks it as you age and that's what this does now also extrapolate that to ovaries for women the adrenal glands and again on and on so forth and so forth with every different biological system and all of them again specifically target those specific tissues and organ systems without side effects and they're orals and by the way they're not expensive you take them most dosing protocols are ten days in a row within another thirty to forty five days off and then ten days in a row again and then you get to a place of like you know you can do tests or whatever and see where you are and see what your functioning is and you might not need them anymore so i mean you can imagine how big these are potentially do you.

Use the tanning peptide that i mentioned that my wife started taking that she's very happy about and mentioned the name of it too melano melanotan it's melanitan.

One melanin tan one melanitan two is also out there but i like melanin tan one i mean they're both fine but i like melanitan one because of like i wrote about that in the tot bible in the agents of change chapter and i also write about it in the newest peptide book it has the ability for people like us that are you know do do a lot of inner work and meditation introspection contemplation to enhance consciousness now when i wrote about that yeah when i wrote about that first in the tot bible it was very speculative because i was reading articles from frank barr who was like one of the leading researchers in the world on melanin cortoid receptor complexes and so i have a bunch of his research included in the tot bible in that chapter about that but then as i started reading more of it and i started using melanitan more often in my life first off i permanently changed the complexion of my skin i mean i'm white as northern european white boy and since i started using it in two thousand nine twenty ten i've definitely darkened my skin i have less sensitivity to the sun now i'm living in playa del carmen mexico i'm pretty much in the sun every single day and i stay tan year round and i don't burn i used to burn i don't burn any anymore but you know for me the most profound effect when i use it i use it maybe a couple times a week and very micro dosages the dosages are of course listed in the book when i go out in the morning and i meditate or sungaze i mean it's insane dude like i it's just a different level you know fifteen to twenty minutes i can get into what i call total stillness you know not technically leave my body although i can do that if i really want to but i just i just get into that center centered stillness aspect a lot better and faster since i started using m one and.

Unlike another popular consciousness enhancer ketamine you know such as an intranasal dose of ketamine which some people will use pre breath work or premeditation for the dissociative effect but also gives you a little bit of a droopy dick the opposite seems to occur with melanitan this priapasmic effect that dictates that i can't take it because i don't sleep is that common amongst all men because it sounds like you use it but maybe it's because i was using melanitan two yeah.

That'S probably why that's probably why and honestly i don't like melanitan two for women melanitan two darkens their skin but obviously they don't have the sexual function enhancement or anything like that obviously pt one hundred forty one is another one chris doesn't have that limitless doesn't sell that because that's a scripted controlled medication now that big pharmacells i forget what it's called it's called aphrodo beleminotide or something something like that but that's a sexual enhancing quote unquote peptide that can cause really strong erections but i am also not a big believer or supporter of that either because i'm a total non responder to that and like forty percent of men are non responders that but for you with melanin too it can cause that enhanced erection aspect i.

Seem to be a hyper responder to just about any so called dick drug as a matter of fact that pt one hundred forty one that you talked about i do have some troches that were compounded for me that i keep on hand for date nights and it's so powerful that the first time i got it i took it because i planned on taking my wife on a date that evening but i took it at like three pm prior to some phone calls and then as i'm prone to do i headed out to walk on some farm roads behind the house out in the sunshine to do phone calls and a half hour into the first walk i had a raging erection i wasn't thinking about anything sexual you know i i was in total business mode and it just wouldn't go away and it stayed i mean even on our on our date i had to wear the tight pants and you know kind of like cinch the boxers up and you know obviously the effects were as intended but that stuff is dang powerful that pt one hundred forty one.

And honestly that's why i don't like it like well first off it's weird i don't respond to that at all but yeah i mean i've heard many stories but yeah if you get you know that's obviously a condition you know called a pria prism and if you get it and it affects you that much dude you can have a hard on for nine nine hours in a.

Row and it's nightmare it is it is pretty inconvenient so how long do you think it is that this stuff stays legal like i'm just thinking about somebody listening and they hear this podcast like three years from now i mean do you do you think they'll still be able to like go to the limitless live website or go to phil's website for peptide bioregulators and this stuff's still even going to be available so.

I mean dude it's a million dollar question i mean i i definitely hopefully before we end i want to talk about glp one agnes because there's such the big rage across the world right now and then definitely talk about hair growth we'll we'll skip to this question because it's the it's the million pound gorilla so i actually talked to nick earlier today and i was like when ben asked me this question if he asked me this question how do you how would you answer this when it comes to peptides and bioregulators and his exact quote was for for bioregulators he said that because they're considered nutritional supplements he doesn't see any risk unless big pharma decides you know fda whatever the alphabet agencies decide that they want to go after the nutritional supplement space which they had never have done before so very low risk if any risk at all with bioregulars now with peptides you know this gets back to the compounding pharmacies and the research chemical companies so this is what i was told at the ammg medical conference and again you probably have heard this from various people inside the health industry or medical industry right now is that big pharma is pissed and this can seg us into glp one agonist big pharma is pissed that the compounders are quote unquote adulterating the retail versions of the glp one agonist right so you've got semaglutide which is called olympic or ozempic and you have manjaro which is tirzepatide and these are both absolutely slam dunk far and away the number one selling quote unquote peptide medications of all time i mean they've already projected that tirzepatide by the end of twenty twenty three will be the number one selling pharmaceutical medication of all time and so what's happened ben is that the compounders without mentioning names have adulterated the formulations by adding b six adding choline or acetyl l carnitine or whatever it is to the formulation which doesn't disturb the original medication which again is appetite suppressant and metabolic uncoupling to make it cheaper and so big pharma is like oh no you're not going to do this so what i was told ammg and various other people are hearing too is that they are going to have the crosshairs on all of the non fda approved peptides and what could happen and i'm not making this prediction but what could happen without doom and gloom is that but they could just shut down all off label compounded pharmacy peptides that again are not fda approved and right now and this is in the book by the way there's like thirteen fda approved peptides some of which you and i would never use and have never even heard of but some of the bigger ones which would be like tessa marellin thymosin alpha one which as you know is the immunity peptide all these peptides by the way are covered in the book and there's a section in there we talk about fda approved approved peptides but i mean look man it's possible that there will be no compounded peptides other than the fda approved ones by the end of the year and if that's the case it's ninety percent of the public will not be have access to them because i mean ben ter's appetite for one month supply through you know retail is fourteen to fifteen hundred dollars and most people are paying four hundred i.

Went out to a nice restaurant with one of my friends who happens to be a foodie and he had taken some glutide that morning and he couldn't even look at a big juicy ribeye steak without getting nauseous i think he ate one half of a deviled egg and the glass of water during the entire dinner and that struck me as quite remarkable the effects that this stuff has on appetite and it also made sense why so many hollywood celebrities etc are using it to spark some pretty significant weight loss and appetite suppression are you concerned about it at all in terms of long term side effects the use of these type of agonists no.

I mean that's a great question i mean you know there's obviously always a risk with any medication that you take but to me as i always say the difference between a pill and a poison is always the dosage there's also a lifestyle you know component you know let me just say and you know you're the perfect forum to talk about this you know doctor peter attia god love him you know right now he's got like the number one selling book in the world on whatever it's called it's longevity or something like that he is one of the biggest names in the you know they keep calling him celebrity doctor in any of the mainstream places but he has been very vocal against glp one agonists and he's been glomming onto some of the research saying that they cause muscle loss and i want to clarify for your audience and really the world that even though he's technically correct the reason that this is showing up in this research is because the physicians that are prescribing these glp one agonists to their patients are not also concomitantly teaching their patients how to lose weight slash body fat correctly right so what's happening and this is to very be very clear and i made a video about this which i'm happy to give you and you guys can link to is that the patient is morbidly obese or insulin insensitive metabolically dysregulated and they get these things and as of course let's say they're three hundred fifty pounds they start using them and it kills their appetite as you just said and it kills their appetite better than than anything that they've ever tried before it but as you know ben there's the devil's in the details you can't just stop eating without having some sort of requisite metabolic eventual shutdown thyroid disruption all these different things so it's very simple if you're going to use a glp one agonist you also have to eat enough protein to maintain proper weight loss and of course body fat loss build muscle through resistance training do cardiovascular training right to strengthen your heart and then of course live insulin controlled i mean you gotta change your diet you can't keep eating like a dumpster fire while you're taking these supplements or these meds right i mean it doesn't work like that so it's like it's.

It'S everything is context that's reasonable and it reminds me of the old studies that go back to two thousand eight showing that in the face of a caloric deficit as low as eight hundred calories muscle maintenance and in some cases muscle hypertrophy or gain is even possible in the presence of resistance training so it sounds to me what i'm hearing is that if you were to use one of these you should maintain adequate amino acid intake and do resistance and cardiovascular training exactly dude and you're always.

On it but see that's the thing that really gets me upset is because a lot of other fitness influencers and quote unquote so called gurus are you know glomming on to peter's statements because again peter's just being you know the literal scientist and he's interpreting the research and he is seeing muscle loss in a lot of these people and look man you know because i've had these people message me and email me and stuff and you know you're four hundred pounds and you've done everything in your life and you just are incapable of losing weight and then all of a sudden you start taking these and they're so profoundly effective that you stop eating right as much as you were eating and you don't do the other things because you're literally telling the person let's say it's me or you saying hey no dude you got to got to lift weights you got to eat enough protein you're telling this person i don't care i'm losing weight i'm seeing my pants you know go down in sizes blah blah blah blah so i mean like i see both sides of the coin and i understand where these people are coming from but again the devil is always in the details if you use these things contextually you have to also do the other things or yes you will have muscle loss you will have thyroid issues you will have metabolic dysregulation it's like you know you just likened it to what you like into two but think about like in bodybuilding world you know a lot of women will go on to fitness you know competition stage bikini or whatever you know physique and they do crash diets and do too much cardio themselves and they.

Destroy their thyroid i think folks understand yeah and we're running up against limited time jay and so i gotta ask you about this hair growth thing you've alluded to a few times because there's like this dark blue lotion that was in the package that you sent to me and you told me to aggravate my scalp or do some derma rolling which i've been doing because i do that for my face sometimes anyways with a clay mask so i have these derma rollers and you said that by rubbing this stuff into the scalp that you could actually grow hair which you know based on the the need for stem cell upregulation and you know oxygenation and blood flow and microcirculation a whole bunch of things responsible for sparking hair growth seemed like well honestly like an exaggerated claim tell me what's going on with this with this blue lotion what.

Is it yeah so if you remember you know make this quick so we can get we can end this amazing podcast as again bro appreciate you love you i'm grateful always be here thank you for everything you do the truth is is that a seer custom was a company that you promoted for us and helped our company blow up we sold nick andrews and i sold the company last year in march to a venture capital firm the venture capital firm for whatever reasons like didn't do what they were supposed to do and at the end of the year quote unquote defaulted on an inventory payment to us which was great for us because it broke up our non compete and allowed us to come out with new products and businesses and do whatever we want so i sent you the newest product which is called folletin and this is going to be coming from nick's newest company i am not actually a partner in this company i will be an affiliate but i'm sure you will be an affiliate and it is a three to five times and it could be more but we're being conservative it's three to five times more effective hair regrowth agent of course it's peptide based than oxana was and remember oxana was a combination of copper peptide ghkcu and carbon sixty and it was of course also in a topical form it worked really well you had thousands of your audience that used it and got great results you and your wife used it got great results you know i used it got great results regrew my hair but the issue that most people had with it was that carbon sixty because it was in a grapeseed oil extract was when over applied and as you know people always like to use more it would cause oil in their hair and so people would complain that it would get in their pillows or whatever so this newest form that you have is completely aqueous based we have not put carbon sixty in this one although at some point we probably will again when we can make it a liposomal solution system so that it doesn't have any kind of oily residue or texture but this one is copper peptide ghkcu and like three or four other aqueous based peptides that are all built on angiogenesis which is obviously stimulating red cell red blood cell and flow back to the scalp and i have been using it myself now for a week and a half you have been using it i think for what four or five days.

If you're watching the video right now i have an afro ghk copper peptide by the way is i think based on the dalton size the measurement via which you look into the particle size of the peptide or the molecular size of the peptide is one of the few that actually is absorbed transdermally you don't need to inject it into the scalp you can rub it into the.

Scalp that's absolutely correct and i'm glad that you clarified that if you're a user of this and by the way by the time this podcast runs you'll have a website that you'll be able to send people to that will have demo videos of how you apply this less is more with this peptide and again if you are like ben or a woman and you have longer hair you might make sure you get it into the scalp obviously somebody like me has shorter hair so it's easier for me to get it into the scalp but you're massaging it like you said agitating it in the scalp so if you want to use a derma roller you want to use micro needling you want to use an agitator that's going to be better as we said on the last hair regrowth podcast we did with you two years ago that was two years ago isn't it insane how fast time moves you want to use red light red light skull caps red light you know juve anything that gets red light anything that's going to increase mitochondrial optimization is also going to improve red blood cell count and flow to the area and look let me just say this you know again you were the one that broke this to the world it's still sad that not enough people still understand this but this is completely unequivocally proven now that all hair loss is called by blood flow restriction to the scalp okay it's not caused by dht it's not caused by this that and the other it's caused by blood flow restriction to the scalp which ultimately okay can be caused by a thousand different things you know heavy metal contamination overexposure to sun you know sweating anxiety too much insulin too much sugar too much alcohol i mean again it's like a thousand things can cause blood flow restriction to your scalp but i will say this that i have androgenic alopecia my dad's i mean my mom's dad was bald and i would probably be bald right now ben and since i started using this product off and on you know when i had access to it which has only been in the last couple of months now the new one oxana ran out last year in september i've regrown my hair i wouldn't even have hair i wouldn't have.

Hair wow that's that's impressive and and i'm looking forward to seeing what results i have and potentially even trying it this christmas to grow my annual winter lumberjack beard folks if you take anything away from this podcast don't wear tight underwear and as you've just learned don't wear tight hats jay and i have two other podcasts that i'll link to if you go to bengreenfieldlife dot com limitless life i'll have the show notes and i'm going to link to jay's peptide course to his testosterone optimization book and course to these peptides we've been discussing if the hair growth formula is out when this podcast comes out i'll put a link to that and hopefully some generous discount codes for you jay you're always just a wealth of knowledge of course we only scratch the surface on the dozens of different peptides out there but hopefully this gives people a pretty good idea of the general notion behind these peptides how to use them a little bit about testosterone optimization check out limitless life too if you're interested again go to bengreenfieldlife dot com limitlesslife a link to the website where some of these formulas particularly i would recommend if any of you are listening and you like to exercise try this this five amino one mq it's just it's kind of crazy how i feel on it jay thanks so much for coming on man you're always i mean you're you're a fast talker but you get across a lot of information and so we feed people through the fire hose they might have to listen to this at zero point five times speed but thanks so much man i appreciate you.

Man the only thing we didn't talk about and the reason i have so much energy is the god stacks and the next time we do a podcast we'll break that down and i'll link.

To your god stack article in the show notes because you have a pretty interesting article about these different stacks that you take so if people want to read ahead check it out bengreenfieldlife dot com limitlesslife jay thanks so much man.

Thank you my brother i love and.

Appreciate you all right talk to you.

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