Is There *Actually* Any Research On QUANTUM Fields Affecting Your Health? (You'll Be Blown Away By What You Learn!) With Ian Mitchell & Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling

My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast—

same setup, exactly same setup, but the Quantum Upgrade is turned on, and that's where you see that stress-linked brain waves are reduced by about 80% and that the alpha activity in the limbic system increased by 13x through the Quantum Upgrade.

Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host, Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist, and nutritionist. And I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity, and beyond.

Ben Greenfield: Alright, everybody. I know quantum technology makes smoke come out people's ears because it's difficult to understand, but the science in terms of sleep recovery, ATP production, blood cell clumping, a whole bunch of other parameters is fascinating. So, I got probably two of the smartest guys I know in the whole field of quantum and quantum health on the show, Ian Mitchell and Philipp von Holzendorf-Fehling. That's a mouthful to discuss all things Quantum Upgrade. Put on your propeller hats and get ready to dive in. Alright, I think this is a two-peat with Ian Mitchell and Philipp von Holzendorf-Fehling. And, I probably just butchered both your guys' names, right?

Nope, nailed it.

It was actually perfect. Yeah.

Nailed it. Alright, I'm not even going to try again. We had a show, super fun show. I think it was up to a couple years ago where we talked about quantum technology and just this whole emerging field that I think makes smoke come out people's ears trying to understand it despite some kind of cool things in terms of the research that's coming out on it. So, while you're listening, just for you the listener, if you do want to put the propeller hat on and dig into all the studies we're going to talk about today, you can go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/Qresearch as in quantum research, BenGreenfieldLife.com/Qresearch. So, quick background if you guys didn't hear my other podcasts with Philip or Ian. Philip is the CEO of Leela Quantum Tech. And Quantum Upgrade. And, all they do is produce quantum technologies all the way down to the necklace that I'm wearing to address issues like energy, EMF mitigation, et cetera. Ian is the founder of Wizard Sciences. He produces all sorts of crazy stuff out of his Batman lab, advises different companies in the wellness technology and healthcare space. And, he's always kind of at the forefront of some of the crazier technologies that are happening right now in the health and wellness world. So, between the two of these guys, I think we'll be able to wrap our heads around this thing called the Quantum Upgrade and how it works. Philipp, you were telling me about this documentary, I think, or some kind of video filming where you guys did an EEG that apparently was pretty impressive.

Yes. So, it all started in December of last year where we had a study that was done with the most advanced EEG device on the market. It has 256 channels and it can look into your brain like an MRT. So, it literally visualizes everything and you can look deep into the limbic system and see everything in real detail what's going on with the brain. So, if you see people with just some $10,000 device, there's no depth at all. You can't really see what does an iPhone 16 do to your brain. And then, you also can't see anything else really in depth. So, that study was incredibly successful with huge improvements for each of the test person. And, it was so amazing that one of Europe's one of the top scientists in regards to EEG who was operating the EEG in this study, she literally, I mean, she said, "This is incredible. This is absolutely amazing." And then, we told Dr. Drew in the U.S. about it, Health Uncensored with Dr. Drew.

Is that a TV show, Health Uncensored?

Yeah, it's a TV show. He's a doctor and he talks about health technologies. It's quite mainstream, to be honest, usually, but he was intrigued. So, we showed them the study results and everything and he said, "Well, this has the potential to help so many people. So, we want to investigate it ourselves." And so, he invited me into his studio, but at the same time, they sent a whole team to this institute in Frankfurt, Germany to film a 2-time boxing world champion. Her name is Natalie Zimmermann. Getting tested. So, that was pretty much same setup, similar setup as it was in the study even though in the study, you can have blinded setups. If you do filming, it's not blinded anymore obviously. So, for 10 minutes, they do an electromagnetic-free room setup where the brainwaves are tested and you see everything natural going on. Then, they put this lady and like they did with every other test person in a chair and they put an iPhone 16 right next to her ear about, I would say, half an inch away.

Okay. And, I want to slow down a little bit here. So, the study is basically there's a person in a room and what do you mean when you say it's an electromagnetic-free room?

That's just for the before test so that you get a baseline read of how are the brainwaves behaving when they're natural. Not impacted by any electromagnetic field. Okay.

Got it. So, this would be similar to a polygraph where you're starting off by asking a bunch of questions that people are giving a true answer to that you know are true. So, you're just getting kind of a baseline.

A baseline.

Correct. That's the baseline. And then, after that, it was certainly not anymore in an electromagnetic-free room and they were sitting in the chair, the iPhone 16 was put there, and for 30 minutes, they simulated a 5G call. And they measured the heart rate variability.

Philip, phone up to the head, earbuds, do you know?

No, a phone up to the head about half an inch away or a third of an inch. I would say probably a third of an inch away. And it stayed there in a stable way because they have this mechanism to hold it there. And then, there's a 5G call for 30 minutes. And What this lady, this expert in EEG would tell you is that mobile phones of the latest generation, right? So, over the years, they've seen that they attack the limbic system and certainly the brain in general, but with each newer generation, they attack the limbic system faster. The iPhone 15 used to do it within 2, 3 minutes that it attacks the limbic system.

What do you mean attacks the limbic system?

That you see a significant stress lighting up in your limbic system, and that's where your breath and your heartbeat are managed, right? So, that's where it's orchestrated.

Yeah, it's all of your autonomous nervous system functions. The whole ANS is going to be governed and it's impacted really profoundly. I think actually if people had raw data and could see this stuff, The first thing that when you look at the brain scans is we have 10 brain scans side by side and can look at it. When you see the images, it's harrowing. And, I mean, it's stupid simple because you look at it and go, "Okay, great state, horrific state." As soon as the iPhone's been there for a few minutes, everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

Ben Greenfield: Okay. And, the EEG is measuring brain waves, right?

Correct. It's measuring brain waves. And, the part about the limbic system is that the iPhone 16 now which was used in this example here, it attacks the limbic system already after 2, 3 seconds. So, pretty much instantly when you put it here, not only your brain in general is getting stressed but your limbic system is being attacked. So, that's That's a sacred space.

I'm assuming when you say attack and when you say disruption, I— of the autonomic nervous system, you're talking about if we're using EEG as a measurement, a shift towards beta brainwaves, more stressed brainwaves?

Exactly, gamma and beta. So specifically, with this, we looked at gamma and beta. I mean, we looked at a bunch of stuff, but the big standouts were gamma, beta, and alpha. And, if you look at those, you can see, and I can prattle off the numbers, but it was profoundly different like 77.6% reduction in gamma activity, 82.9% reduction in beta activity, and then literally a 1,300% in the beneficial component of alpha activity, like a 13x just off the charts.

Ben Greenfield: Okay. So, you're depressing everybody right now who just rushed out to buy the iPhone 17.

Okay.

No, no, we're actually lifting them up because again, it shows the Quantum Upgrade is able to completely neutralize it completely.

Okay. So, back up before you jump into that. We left off where she's sitting there, phone is up to the head for 30 minutes, shows super big disruption of the limbic system. And then what?

So, that's basically— Ian already went there. So, after everything is stressed and you can see that visualized after the 30 minutes are done, then there's another 30 minutes, same setup, exactly same setup, but the Quantum is turned on. And, that's where you see that the harmful, the stress-linked brainwaves are reduced by about 80% and that the alpha activity in the limbic system increased by 13x through the Quantum Upgrade. And, it happens already in the first few seconds. And it stays the same so that you can maintain a completely de-stressed brain with full clarity of mind and full function even though you're being blasted by a 5G call and this iPhone 16, which is emitting the electromagnetic fields right to your brain. And, that is the absolute breakthrough. And, the interesting part about the— if you have a sticker that is on your phone, right? That sticker, 95% of those do not work at all. This institute actually in Frankfurt tested 30 of such technologies that claim they do something. One-third of those, they have to stop after 2 test persons because it makes it worse. Another third, well, actually more than a third doesn't do anything. And then, they found only 2 technologies that actually worked. Now, for example, Airstek, I think, is one of those stickers. They have an effect. They don't have a large effect. And, what people need to understand is all what it does, it sucks out some stuff here from this, but it doesn't do anything on the other side and it doesn't do anything with the soup, with the EMF soup that you're sitting in all the time. Yeah.

I was going to say we've got HVAC monitors, air conditioning units, washers, dryers, smart refrigerators, smart appliances, computers, laptops. There's a lot more than just the phone.

And Wi-Fi and 5G, right? That doesn't just come through this. It's in the air everywhere.

Yeah, unless you're living in my house. So, probably a solid, I'm going to guess, 80% of people listening right now have no clue what you mean when you said we turned on the Quantum Upgrade.

Yes. So, that's a good thing because now people can check it out and So, you go to QuantumUpgrade.io and then you put in this code BEN15 to try it for yourself. And, what it is, it's a system that we build where we can place someone that signs up or their car or their pet as an example into the system. And then, via quantum entanglement, that someone or something is in the field the moment You sign up and you're in the system, then you are in the field. It's not worth not sending energy to you like a cell phone tower would via quantum entanglement. You are in the field. That's a little bit difficult to understand for people, but maybe just Google the 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics because it was awarded for work on quantum entanglement. So, it's by no means a new concept. And yeah, we can prove it. It works like a Swiss clock. It's not random. It's not like sometimes it works or sometimes it it doesn't know. It works in 100% of the cases. And then, you as the user have 100% control over it, which is the important part. And, you can say, "I want more energy or I want less energy for the night, for example. I can book in specific frequencies." For example, in this test with a 2-time boxing world champion Natalie Zimmerman and Dr. Drew, the so-called brain support frequency was used that we developed specifically to puts the brain into a calm state where you have full clarity of mind and you're not affected by the issues that you are affected by otherwise.

Ben Greenfield: I'm going to play devil's advocate all day long here even though I've had this thing blasting my home for 2 years. So, I have been using Quantum Upgrade for a while now. So, I'm sitting next to somebody on an airplane, I tell them, "Look, I got this thing. It blasts my house with invisible energy." from afar, first thing that comes out of most people's mouths are, "Well, that's a great business model for whoever's doing this. They just have this invisible product and you basically have a SaaS subscription fee that you're paying and you have no clue what they're doing or how it works. You're just blasting your home with this." So, putting the scientist hat on, Ion, you're sitting next to somebody, what do you tell them? So, we have this Impressive but n 1 study that you just described. Ian, what else do you say to somebody who's like, "Dude, you're getting scammed?" Yeah.

Well, actually, so that particular— the study portion of that was n 10. We actually did it with 10 people simultaneously.

Oh, so it was more than just Natalie.

Yeah, it's 11 and soon it'll be 41. Just FYI.

Yeah. And so, we'll hit statistical significance in the next phase of this very clearly, be able to show that.

It's already there because it's 100% each time.

Yeah. When you look at the confidence intervals of things, this is off the charts because the reaction is literally ubiquitous. It happens to every single person, which is admittedly it's difficult to understand. But, when you say that the first misconception is When you say we're going to beam something to them, we're not. They're already part of this. The only thing that shifts is we modulate the field that's already there. And, for people who don't realize that, everybody walks around with a cell phone. You don't see the field propagating towards you. You're already in the field and the waves are already coming there. All we're doing is very similarly isolating a specific locus and putting a modulated field around that person, but they're already part of the field. It's inescapable.

Yeah. Okay. And quick clarifying question. You say you're modifying a specific locus, a certain, let's say, geographical region. I seem to recall it's been a while since I logged into my dashboard on Quantum Upgrade, but I can select me or my pet. So, what happens if you move outside that loci of your address?

Yeah. So, it doesn't matter because it's basically tied to your biofield and you can fly to Australia and back or go to the grocery store, go to a club, go to a dinner, whatever, it does not matter where you are, you're in the field because it's quantum entanglement. It's not that it needs to find you in a specific location, it is entangled with you. That is how it works until you pause it or you stop it, right?

But, have you studied that? What I mean is if you've got somebody in a single isolated area and you flip it on, great, but let's say you flip it on that person and then they move, let's say, 20 miles from that original location, how do you know it's still working and it wasn't just working on the location, not the person?

The first thing is it cannot be this other way. It's impossible. Once you understand it, it is impossible that it doesn't work or that it would stop working because it's quantum entangled. Okay. So, it's not even a possibility that it doesn't work. But, it's been studied. We have over 20 research studies by now that were done just for the Quantum Upgrade, over 14 placebo-controlled.

Ben Greenfield: I know. You sent me the Notion project. And again, everybody knows I love this stuff and I'm also skeptical, but then I'm looking through all this research you guys sent me, I'm like, "Damn." I still don't quite understand how it's working, but somehow, I mean, you can get into the additional studies. I know I kind of interrupted you, Ian, as you were starting to do that. But yeah, keep going on what you're seeing here.

Well, so, okay, one of the things that I think was compelling, and we did this at a university with a professor, and it was randomized placebo-controlled, and this was at a cellular level. And so, we isolated cell culture plates, took images of them, had the Quantum Upgrade geared up for those cell plates. And then, moved them from the incubator, tested how much ATP with a thing called CellTiter-Glo. We tested how much ATP was being produced. Then, we flip on the Quantum Upgrade only on the affected cell plates out of all of the different cell plates we used. So, we've got all these dishes, we put cells, get them to confluence, just fill them up. Then, we put them in the luminometer and use CellTiter-Glo and we see what the ATP levels are. The moment you turn on the Quantum Upgrade, whether you've moved them, changed the position, shifted them from the incubator in the lab over to the luminometer, in this case, a thing called a Citation V from Biotech, which is super, super accurate, you see a 20 to 29% jump in ATP output instantaneously. And literally, everybody at the university— and it was blinded, nobody knew what was what. Philipp's team didn't know, The research guys at the biochem department didn't know. I was the only person who actually knew which was which. And then, I would reveal the results after we got all the data. I would show them which were which so we could just very clearly go through and assess everything. And normally, if you did that, you'd see just this kind of random stochastic distribution where everything is kind of noise. But with these, it was nothing, 20% jump, 29% jump, nothing, nothing, 20% jump. And it was only in the affected plates. And, it happened the first time everybody was so shocked by it, we did it another 5 times.

So, if you're going to do my home, I go to the Quantum Upgrade dashboard. So, I log in, I go there and I put in my home address. When you're doing the cell culture plates, how are you describing the information of the plates to the Quantum Upgrade dashboard? Is it like— I think you've kind of a loose state, it's not their physical location. Are you just like taking a picture of them or?

It's a great question. There are multiple ways on how you can technically do it. One is with data. That's the easiest to do. And that's what we do for the public, right? That you put in clearly identifying information, like for a car, it would be the make, model, and the VIN number. That's clearly then identifying that specific car. Now, in this instance, you know, the cell cultures, they don't have a VIN number and they also don't have a name. So, in that case, we took pictures, right? So, we were sent pictures that we put into the system and it was clearly identifying only the cell cultures that were supposed to be treated, right? Because we didn't receive pictures of the other ones, and that's exactly what happened.

So, they were, I'm assuming, labeled, you could see the label on the picture or something like that?

No, actually you couldn't. I nixed that. I took it out and occluded it so nobody other than me could actually see.

Oh, yeah, because that'd be blinded.

Yeah. Yeah. And, I think the biggest thing for me, and this is the thing that I go back to, is after we had done those 6 tests, I was giving a lecture and I pointed out to people, and this is kind of an odd misconception and it's hard to wrap your brain around, but But fundamentally, the field is intelligent, it's aware. And for me, that was the single biggest shift with all this is having the hard data to go, "Okay, it might seem odd, but obviously, there's an inherent intelligence to everything." And I think people oftentimes box themselves off and think, "I'm this individual thing," without realizing, "Yeah, I'm connected to everything else." And so, usually at the end of most of my lectures, When we're talking about something like this, I will point out the single biggest thing after seeing all the data that I tell people is be kind because literally it propagates a wave that goes everywhere and everyone is very obviously connected.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah, I love that. It's very hippie of you. This study at the German Foundation for Health Information and Prevention, you guys described how you use a super advanced EEG I'm looking at the data right now, right? Gamma activity reduced by over 77%, beta activity reduced by over 82%, increase in alpha activity 13-fold. And, a lot of people would be thinking, "Well, I don't have a super expensive EEG cap to test in my home whether or not this is working and I don't want loosey-goosey qualitative feelings to necessarily drive my decision." So, what about something like HRV? Have you guys looked at like a parameter that people are already measuring that they could use to track in their own homes if they flip this thing on?

Yeah. Even this specific study tracked the HRV just on the side with absolutely significant results in every case.

You mean like an increase in HRV?

Yeah.

Yeah, an optimization, significant optimization in HRV, not just marginal.

You probably kind of answered this question by saying how quickly the cells and the person and the Ruhm responded. But, I'm assuming if someone goes to the website and flips this on and make sure they check their wearable data beforehand that you would see possibly an instant rise in HRV?

It's very possible. Now, I don't know about these wearables how good they are that people wear. Now, in this study, they use an absolutely advanced system to measure HRV. So, I don't know if a ring can keep up with that, but we've seen— I mean, people This just came to me at the last Ultimate Wellness Forum where I was in Miami just last weekend and someone came to me and said, "It's ridiculous. In the last 3 months, my HRV has optimized so significantly. I've never ever seen anything like this." And, he was tracking it with one of his Rings, so it's certainly possible.

Ben Greenfield: It's like the Dexcom though, right? With the Dexcom, and because I have a ton of people that I work with who are using Dexcoms, Dexcoms update every 5 minutes. So, you can look at the data depending on your setup, you can potentially look at it within a minute or so, but the aggregate update is usually at a 5-minute block.

Gold standard as far as a home device would be a chest strap like a Polar H10. And, you could use any number of different apps that will bring in data from that. It's going to be— things like Oura and Whoop are really accurate, but a chest worn monitor would be gold standard to get more instant feedback.

There's one important thing though, Ben, that I need to mention for people because if they want to run tests, for example. So, our system updates every 5 minutes. So, when you turn it on or you turn it on to start at 10:00 a.m. with a certain frequency, for example, right, then that frequency and strength level you set will start between 10:00 and 10:05 because our sub— system updates every 5 minutes. That's important to note. So, when you want to do a baseline, obviously, you do it before. If you want to do a first read, you need to wait at least 5 minutes until it's actually on. The interesting part is when you have devices like this super amazing Brainwave device, right? They see it in that moment it turns on. Literally, you see it and that's where Ian sees it in the cell cultures also, right, the increase in ATP. The moment it turns on, you see it.

Yeah, yeah. Well, speaking of biometric data, I was looking at the study that you guys had in Slovenia, which kind of it appears to me you went beyond EEG and heart rate variability and looked at some other physiological parameters. I don't have that part in front of me, but I believe there was a skin temperature and maybe a heart rate or body temperature. Tell me more about what you saw beyond or what you're seeing beyond EEG data and heart rate variability.

Bjoern Borg: ATP was already mentioned. We see significant improvement and acceleration in wound healing of human cells, to be exact, between 46% and 100% acceleration in wound healing. It's placebo-controlled per nature. It's randomized double-blind. That study was done 5 times by Dr. Robert Shieff at the University of Tulsa. We see significant improvements in the blood, and I want to unpack that. What do I mean by that? Within 10 to 15 minutes, the Quantum Upgrade is capable of reversing, completely reversing stage 2 of blood clotting. Activating white blood cell activity and motility. And, there were two studies that I had not mentioned or we had not mentioned on your show before, two 6-month studies randomized and double-blind with control group, of course, that one was about parasitic load in the blood and the other one was about spike protein traces in the blood.

Ben Greenfield: Okay. Yeah, these are the ones from Austria?

Correct. And, it's quite phenomenal because in the parasitic load study, it was shown that there was a significant reduction in parasitic load over the 6-month period. Not only that, the environment, the milieu in the body improved so much that parasites actually have no other chance than to degenerate and to get out of the body more and more because there was about, I think, on average, right, a 40% reduction in parasitic load. And at the same time, in the control group, the parasitic load increased. So that's important to note. Then for the spike protein traces, it's also very, very interesting. So listen to this. There were vaccinated and not vaccinated people in the control group and in the treated group. So, in the control group, everyone had traces of the spike protein in every blood sample.

Wait, how do you measure spike protein?

So, they didn't measure spike proteins, they measured traces of the spike proteins to go even deeper to see if anywhere in the blood you could see any traces of spike proteins. And, you can see that with darkfield microscopy in an illuminated fashion. It's magnified, and you see in real time what is going on. And they took blood samples from all over the body to be extremely thorough, right? Because you want to not just test in your hand, for example, then you miss— may miss out on other parts of the body. And the phenomenal part is that over this 6-month study, everyone showed traces of the spike protein in the control group across those 6 months, and no one, I repeat, no one in the treated group showed any traces of the spike protein across the 6-month period. So, that's quite telling.

Yeah, obviously kind of a can of worms here, but you mentioned it. So, I'm just curious, were you able to see if vaccinated versus unvaccinated people had higher amounts of some of the structural changes to cells based on potential spike protein infiltration?

I'm sure that they could see that in the lab, but that was not the focus of the study. And we also at the time when the study was conducted, we were being very careful and not even trying to talk about it.

Yeah, we didn't want to get banned on everything.

I said can of worms. Truly.

Yeah. Yeah. So, that's the part about the blood. And by the way, in regards to the parasitic load, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't do your great parasite cleanses, right? That's what I think. If something works for you, keep doing that. This is something that you can run in the background at all times that improves your environment that you can have a reduction and a better environment to begin with. And then, everything else you're doing will be even more effective. And, that's the way we suggest to approach this.

Ben Greenfield: So, explain this to me. Some of the electrical medicine devices or the Rife frequency-producing devices like let's say the BioCharger, have a parasite recipe, like a certain frequency you're supposed to run. In studies like this, people are listening in and they decide they're going to mess around with the Quantum Upgrade and they go to the dashboard where you can set the frequency. Is there a frequency you can choose that is for parasites or for red blood cell clumping or platelet aggregation, or do you just have a general one that sweeps through all of this?

So, the good news is already the general quantum energy settings of the Quantum Upgrade helps you with all of these things that we mentioned. We do have specific frequencies though that can help you to amplify certain effects. We want to be careful with parasites and with viral load and things like that. We do have frequencies for that, but we need to beat around the bush a little bit because we cannot make and don't want to make any disease claims. But, there are different frequencies. You can have frequency to increase your performance, to accelerate your recovery, for better sleep, but then there's a Heal360 frequency that is pretty much a broad spectrum to activate your self-healing powers. And then, there's this one maybe people can read between the lines, it's called the Exertion Response and Microbial Harmony. That is the one that I personally use when I feel sick or when I feel I get sick. So, I leave it up to you to understand that.

Ben Greenfield: How do you have yours set up? Because sometimes I go to my dashboard, I'm not totally sure what the best way to set it up is. So, I'm just curious what Ion and what Philips Quantum Upgrade frequencies or timings are set at.

So, I've got mine set on Heal 360. Pretty consistently, and I have everything maxed on the Hawkins scale.

I'm taking notes on my little Post-it note here because I'm going to log into my dashboard afterwards to do what the best guys are doing. Okay. So, say that again.

So, I'm on the Heal360 frequency.

Okay.

And then, I keep everything maxed on the Hawkins scale as high as it will go.

But, not at nights.

But, you don't have to log back in before you go to bed at night, right? Can't you just set it to You can set it. Decrease at night.

Yeah.

Yeah. You remember, Ben, because you couldn't sleep when you first started it because you cranked it up all the way at nights.

I know. When I first got it, I had 3 nights of insomnia and then I went back in and turned it down. I'm like, "There's no way that was placebo." Yeah.

One of the conferences we were at, a fellow named Larry Pham came over to me in the morning and we were debuting a different type of block. It was the Gen 8 block and it was really, really intense. And, he came over and he didn't know what it was correlating with, but he said, "Hey, man, I don't get this. When I walk across to the other side of the auditorium, my heart rate is jumping up 20 beats a minute." And, I said, "Oh, that's the Gen 8 block," right? Because there's kind of an adaptation period where your best thing is to drink a lot of water, kind of take it easy because it's a lot of flux in the field, a lot of energy there. And, as much as it can boost you up, you have to adapt to it like anything else. It's a progressive. That's why it's so beneficial is because it's like a subroutine that just runs in the background and everything else you're doing to benefit yourself can be stacked additively on top of that.

Ben Greenfield: Before we hear what Philip's protocol is, how do you describe the Hawkins scale to people, Ian?

A logarithmic scale of consciousness going from 0 to 1,000 where 1,000 would be someone who has pretty much perfected what you can do and 0 being the absolute most base things you can get. And, it's a little strange when you say human consciousness because there's so much focus on that now. There's a conference next month on science and consciousness in the UK and it's becoming more and more emergent. But, for me, it's a matter of how in alignment you are with yourself. And how much in alignment that is with everything else. So, the higher on the scale you are, the more aligned you are with things in nature.

Okay. And, this is all based on David Hawkins' book, what's it called, "Healing and Recovery"?

"Power vs.

Force." "Power vs. Force." Yeah.

Yeah. Hawkins was a brilliant guy. He was an MD PhD and he developed this based on what he had seen with muscle testing and he realized very quickly that it was actually a quantum field effect, which is exactly what happens. So, when you change things at a fundamental level, they cascade up. And, one of the things that's the reason that scale caps at 1,000 is because when you hit that point, you're flowing so much energy that literally you can't handle it physiologically. You pop. It's just like electron potentiation across a mitochondrial membrane. It can only handle so much before it pops like a popcorn.

Right. It'd be like inhaling DMT or something like that. Frequencies are just off the charts. Philipp, what do you have yours set at?

Yeah. So, I change it around quite a bit and that's what I advise for people to do in general also. I mean, you can leave it for a week or something like that, but check in every now and then what you really need. And, that's the beauty about it. So, if I play a tennis match and I played semi-professional tennis, I put it on the World Champion frequency usually, sometimes on the Olympic Performance. Those are specifically to help with workout, help me specifically with ATP production and to being very present for that match. Then, I can have one for recovery, which would usually be the Heal 360 frequency. The Heal 360 is sort of the go-to one that you can use for that. There's a common rest frequency that I usually use for the night. I think personally that's the best one for the night to help with sleeping. And then, I love the brain support frequency. I use that a whole lot. Usually on podcasts, I put it on. I don't have it on right now because I forgot. But usually, I put it on brain support then. It's absolutely amazing to be very present. That's also the frequency that was used in this brain study. And you have significant clarity of mind and it feels like you can process so much more information at the same time without being overwhelmed in any way from all the information that you're processing. And then, there are a few others. There's even a nice prosperity frequency. That one is a little bit harder to prove obviously, but I find personally that's one of the best frequencies we have.

Yeah. I'm just curious because I am a businessman and an entrepreneur, how come other people aren't doing this? If you guys just patented it and hold the secret sauce? Because I would have thought with as much as you're seeing in your research, you'd have a whole bunch of other companies blasting quantum frequencies around the globe.

Well, because they don't know how to do it. I bet there would be a lot of companies that would like to be able to do it and they have no clue how it works. So, it requires a very special skill set and understanding on how this reality works, a Nikola Tesla-type understanding, to be honest, because you couldn't just do it with all the physical things. It's very easy to build cell towers if you have enough money because you can see those and it's all on the electromagnetic spectrum. But, working with a quantum field, you need a completely different skill set. You couldn't have just a regular technician or engineer build it because they would have no clue on how to do it. So, that is why that's the case. I do foresee though that over the next 10 years, we'll see a lot more technologies come out in this realm, not necessarily doing the same that we do but in general leveraging the quantum field, leveraging consciousness technology.

Ben Greenfield: I'm actually seeing a big rise in people using quantum fields to do diagnostics. And, that's actually incredibly beneficial.

What do you mean?

Well, people actually getting into the field and then someone running a diagnostic assay on them from afar to see what system in their body is dysregulated.

People are actually doing that? There's technology that does that?

Yep. There sure are. Yeah.

And, we are even working on something like that as well.

Is it super secret sauce or can you share the names of any of these?

Until they actually launch, super secret sauce.

Okay.

All right. And, the thing there is it's kind of profound to me because the future of medicine should be about frequencies and harmonics and waves. Everything boils down to vibration in a physical sense, right? Everybody, and I say this a lot, people think of themselves as solid creatures because that's how they perceive reality, but that's not really accurate. You're a very tightly held pattern integrity that, and in my estimation, your consciousness holds your physical form in a certain state. But really, when you break it down, you are fundamentally just lots of little vibrating things that have aggregated. And there's this thing that we did years ago at a biohacking conference and the video's up where I took Todd Shipman, a mutual friend of all of ours, and he came on stage with Philip and I and he has anaphylaxis to shellfish. So he has horribly bad reactions to it. And, I opened a can of crab meat and put a derma roller in it, rolled it up his arm, and instantly it popped up with hives. And then, I put it in, at that point, an Infinity Block and just let it sit there while I was talking about how waveforms actually interact and that most things that people think are histamine reactions aren't really a biochemical process first. Fundamentally, it's kind of a decoherence in wave patterns. You've got things that are constructive, and things that are destructive. And, if you take something that expresses in your body as a histamine reaction, that's because you have a destructive interference pattern. And so, the Quantum or in that case the Infinity Block negated that for him. So, after about 3 minutes, I took it out, put a new derma roller in and rolled it up his other arm and nothing happened. And, it's not that I negated his histamine response, he just didn't have it anymore because the compound was in harmony with his system. And so, that's not something you can do if everything is truly just physical and biochemical and we're big meat machines. It doesn't work. But, we know that we're not that. And, this is why I think we're in a kind of unique position because our intent is very good. And, after realizing that the field is intelligent and super aware, I don't think it's an idiot. I don't think it gives toddlers pistols.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah, I agree. Attacking someone with a crab meat derma roller is one thing, but This is something I've kind of thought about too after my episode of first flipping on the Quantum Upgrade and experiencing disrupted sleep because I had the frequencies turned up so high. What's to keep someone from a Quantum Upgrade attack unlike their neighbor or an enemy where they just want to blast them with really low frequencies or sneak in there at night and type in their address and blast with super high frequencies? You technically throw frequencies around wherever you wanted like on your neighbor's dog or whatever?

So, first of all, what's important to understand is that the quantum field is inherently supportive to life and to consciousness. So, anything that would be negative in nature, so let's take the worst-case example. So, someone were to steal our technology and try to put in negative frequencies, be it as herbicide or a pesticide frequency, for example, and then try to blast you, right? These herbicide and pesticide frequencies would instantly be neutralized. That's nothing that we did, it's just the nature of the super concentrated field that doesn't allow for that. So, you couldn't do it, you couldn't put a death wish in or stuff like that. So, that's really— it prevents all of that. And yeah, I mean, in theory, you could And, by the way, it's not that low frequencies or high frequencies, right? So, you could certainly try to turn it up for someone in theory. We have preventions there. And, for example, for a business, only the ones that can actually sign for the business can sign up a business. We do have multiple businesses being run there, but you couldn't just sign up a Coca-Cola if you if you don't have the signing rights for that.

You couldn't even type in the physical address of the Coca-Cola warehouse instead of your house?

That wouldn't really work either because then it's not the Coca-Cola warehouse, right? So you would have to still define it, right? So if you want to have, I don't know, the Hyatt Hotel in Austin downtown in there, You would have to name it that and then put the address in. If you call it the Coca-Cola warehouse and then put a wrong address there or vice versa, it doesn't work because the information is not identifying.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I understand that. But, I guess what I'm saying is if you actually know an actual address, you could kind of throw these frequencies around wherever you want, right?

So, here's what we have created, which is quite Amazing. So, everyone that is a subscriber, and by the way, you can cancel every month if you want to. So, after 30 days and also after 40 days, you get a free Quantum Upgrade for any location in the world that you can set. It is limited though. It doesn't have any specific frequencies you can set and you cannot set it to higher levels than 600 on the Hawkins scale. So, 600 is right above unconditional love and joy. It's in the realm of peace.

So basically, the worst you could do is attack someone with peace is what you're saying? Correct. Yeah, I get it. Okay. So, you might be wasting your time if you try to throw this at me.

No, it's actually a very beneficial thing to do that people use for their hotels where they sleep in. So, if I go to a hotel, I'm not going to a hotel where I haven't set the Quantum Upgrade on that level. I would never set it on higher because you have other people there and you don't want to blast those people. But, that's the level that you can set, which is a really nice vibration. And, you can set it for a public beach, you can set it for your grandmother's house or for an animal shelter, for hospital, for school, whatever you prefer.

Yeah. Hey, so I'm curious, just in the time that we have left, I don't know if you guys are able to do or reveal what you have planned to study in the future, like anything that you're looking at as far as ongoing research or something else you want to try.

Yeah. So, I think I need to mention real quick at least, we don't have to go into details, but that there was a study done by Reputable Health in the U.S. with 100 women with significant improvements in anxiety levels, depression levels, fear levels, HRV, and basically, it was linked to fertility. So, they saw an improvement in all markers that are related to fertility. That is quite a phenomenal study.

Ben Greenfield: Oh, yeah. That's kind of important. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of women who are doing a lot or families or couples who are doing a lot to conceive.

Philippa Stoeckl: Moving on. So, we have 3 brain studies currently running, one in the U.S., one in Germany, and one in Portugal, and they'll all come out here over the next few months. We will have so much data, it's going to be incredible. Then, there's a top athlete study that is currently planned and another study that looks into specific cognitive function and IQ. So, I think that's the most exciting right now that we're working on.

Yeah. And you guys publish most of these on your website, right?

Yes, yes. Everything you can find there. And I don't know, do you have dogs, Ben?

Yes.

Okay. I'm sure that some of your listeners also will have dogs. There was a study, a randomized double-blind study with 30 dogs done in Austria that also showed significant results. And it was quite phenomenal because it had 4 different testing methods. It looked at darkfield microscopy, it looked at an advanced DECAVOL testing method, it looked at subjective surveys of the pet owners. But again, it was all blinded. And then, it had the traditional veterinarian diagnostics as well. So, if anyone is interested in pet health because biohacking isn't just great for humans, it's actually also great for pets, pets, then go check that one out.

Yeah. And, that's an option in the dashboard, right? You can choose your pet, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, or multiple pets. Super cool. Well, we have, I think, now 4 podcasts on quantum technologies. We didn't even talk about the underwear, the necklaces, the caps, all the different things besides the Block. But, I've been using your stuff now probably for 4 years, Philipp. And obviously, Ian, you've been on the show about not just quantum technology but about a lot of other things in the past and you're a well-respected scientist in the field. So, I think all this stuff even to the skeptics out there because I obviously just based on the nature of my questions today, you guys know that I question everything but I also pay attention to results. So, if you're interested in trying this out, Or, if you want to see the research or access anything else juicy including previous shows, all the shownotes are at BenGreenfieldLife.com/QResearch, BenGreenfieldLife.com/QResearch. Like Philipp mentioned early on in the show, I think we have some discount codes and stuff too for you guys. So, Philipp, Ian, this is great. You answered all my stupid questions about the Quantum Upgrade.

No, I think it's great, man. I appreciate the devil's advocate stance. As a scientist, that's what you're supposed to do is you have to be agnostic about the data because in the case of everything we've done with the quantum research, it was not what we expected or it was not scientifically what you would think, which is why in a lot of cases we repeated them so many times is because you just have this awareness at the end of seeing all the data and going, "Okay, apparently my map of reality was a little less glamorous than it really is. There's just so much more going on than you think from a physical sense. And so, you have to be agnostic to that and really pull the thread. And, if the data takes you someplace weird, which is exactly what happened here, you follow it. And, it's no different than Nikola Tesla got panned at the beginning of the last century talking about how in the future you'd have a device in your pocket where you could talk simultaneously and see someone. On the other side of the world.

I'm definitely going to be logging into my dashboard after this and making some adjustments based on what you guys have shared. So, again, thanks for doing this, you guys. I appreciate all the nerdy stuff you're out there doing.

Yeah.

Thanks for having us on.

Thanks, man.

Alright, cool. Thanks for watching, folks. I'm Ben Greenfield along with Ian Mitchell and Philipp from Leela Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrades signing out from Ben BenGreenfieldLife.com. Have an incredible week.

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