You Wouldn’t Believe That “Quantum Energy” Works Until You Hear This & See THESE Photos.

My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast.

We're all part of the quantum field, and we're never out of the quantum field.

We're constantly bombarded by electromagnetic fields, by blue light and LED light, by all these other things that completely stress our system, because stress is the keyword here. And now, if we provide these super coherent fields, suddenly we, we vibrate in a coherent way as well.

We get back to our core your muscles function more effectively, your brain functions more effectively.

And suddenly, our physical body follows suit and starts to improve.

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My guests on today's show are Ian Mitchell. He's pretty cool. He has a ton of patents in nanomedicine, material science, biochemistry, and he has a lab where he does super crazy experiments and also studies of all things quantum energy, which leads to my other guest, Philippe Seymour von Holtzendorff-Fehling. I think I did that right. He's a coach, he's an entrepreneur, and an international bestselling author. And also, he runs Leela Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrade. And he has also been ranked number 1 in the U.S. in tennis for men 50+, which is pretty cool. Man after my heart. So, we're going to talk with these guys about all things quantum technology. The shownotes are at BenGreenfieldLife.com. Quantum2026. Let's jump in. Well, it seems like almost an annual thing now where we have the Quantum Podcast party, fellas.

Yeah.

We're glad to be back here.

So, Philip, one question I just have to get out of the way first/comment. I started playing tennis a little bit more regularly. What's the latest on the tennis front with you? And perhaps just as importantly, have you gotten Ian into the game of tennis yet?

I haven't, but maybe we should do at some point. A fun double would be nice. Heck yeah, let's go. I'm in Germany right now, and on Saturday I'm going to help a friend's team here in Germany. They signed me up to help them last year, and then we advanced in the league, and now I have to be back so that they hold the league. That's what I'm doing right now, besides all the business stuff, obviously. But in terms of big tournaments in the US, I ended that in 2024 in December. As the number one. And I may do it again once I turn 55, but it's very time-consuming.

All right. We will have to get on the court at some point. Is there anything that is quantum in the game of tennis besides just the fact that you use your technologies for recovery and stuff?

Well, I use it during the game, and then I suggest you do that too, like a full booster on the Quantum Upgrade during the match or practice. During the practice, try Brain Support. And then, during the actual match, I would go with World Champion or the World Champion frequency over the Olympic Performance frequency. It makes a huge difference.

Oh, we just jumped right in. We just jumped right into the deep end. Ian, as the resident scientist here, can you decode for people what Philipp just basically explained you could do on a sport court?

Yeah, absolutely. So, a lot of the game actually is more neurological than muscular. And so, you're trying to rewire your connectivity. And so, if you go to the support frequencies for those, a lot of it is going to enhance that. And then, when you're actually competing, you're going to want to use the performance frequencies that allow you to kind of sync up that take you to a whole nother level. But kind of the precursor to that when you're training, a lot of that is neurological because your muscular system is going to connect And, you want to develop championship muscle memory so that every time you do a stroke, everything is wired.

Okay. But, backpedal even more. What is it that Philip is doing on the tennis court as far as these frequencies because he's not out there with a boombox on his shoulder blasting himself with quantum energy or embedded in the racket handle? I don't know.

It actually is an old-school 1980s boombox that's pumping out— No. Yeah. We're all part of a quantum field and we're never out of the quantum field. In fact, I would go so far as to say that our entire body is built to operate in a quantum field. And you guys have heard me say this is one of those things that I kind of differ from the mainstay of science where everybody says ATP is the energy currency of the cell. And I think that is a gross hubristic miscalculation of science because back when the electron transport chain was decoded, there was no precept for wireless charging. But I would posit that in fact, at the very end of the electron transport chain inside the mitochondria, the very last step is the production of water. And everybody always said, oh, it's ATP and water is a byproduct. I disagree. I think ATP is a storage system. It's a battery. It's like confusing your cell phone battery with power, right? You have to charge it. The water actually picks up quantum perturbations in a quantum field, and that converts to energy, which is then stored in this handy-dandy phosphorylated battery, which is made in conjunction with the, the actual power source being there. So we're all part of this wireless network that is everywhere and everywhen. And so when there are perturbations in that field, we pick it up as energy. And what Philip's doing is he's immersing himself in different frequencies that are modulated through a field to any position in the world instantaneously. All of this functions— that's the beauty of quantum, is it functions irrespective of distance and irrespective of time. So instantaneously, the moment he flips that on, on the Quantum Upgrade— and this is what we've shown in a lot of the experimentation that we've done— is we can have these huge jumps in energy levels. And we measured it with ATP because that's what everything is geared towards measurement on. But 20 to 29% jumps instantaneously across distances of hundreds or thousands of miles with no breaks. And so, that shift in the field instantly changes your performance. Your muscles function more effectively, your brain functions more effectively. So, when Philip puts on the Olympic frequency, that makes him function at a much higher level both mentally and physically.

Ben Greenfield: So, Philip is going to, on his laptop or his phone or whatever, to the Quantum Upgrade website, before he gets on the court or while he's on the court, he's selecting the frequency and then heading out and playing and experiencing that quantum frequency blasted from afar on his body while he's on the court.

Exactly. Yeah. And, I do the same thing. I'll go to the boost setting and I can shift it up to max boost so that I can kind of experience whatever I'm doing. If I'm feeling like I'm going to be taxed because I've been flying a ton lately, I'll put it on the Heal frequency and then boost and then give myself the maximum amount and it's instant. You can feel it instantly.

Ben Greenfield: Okay.

You mentioned that water could kind of store energy and act as a sort of battery for the cells. When it comes to something like these frequencies that you're blasting on the body from afar, I know you guys have looked at cellular production of ATP. We talked about that a lot. In our last podcast, but have you been able to look at any way that it changes water like in a test tube or in the body or anything like that?

Yeah. The Emoto Institute has actually looked at the structuring of water. And in fact, they, I think, said that our system structured water more effectively and faster than anything they had ever seen, which in fact, they actually opted to distribute the blocks because of that, because they had never seen anything affect water this greatly, this quickly.

And for the blocks, that would mean that you would take one of these blocks that you get from the Leela website and you would put a glass of water in it?

Yeah, exactly, or approximate to it.

And there's more research by now. The Emoto Institute, that was already done 4 years ago with our weakest device. By now, There was a study done in a chemistry lab in Germany that looked at the redox potential of water and then approved each and every time they ran the experiment, which I think it was like 18 runs or something like that. And then also the Bion Institute ran a triple-blind study and they went as far as saying in their report, given the fact that if you— and that is actually already published, it's published on ResearchGate. I'm paraphrasing now, but if you drink this type of water, that's how you get your body into homeostasis. That's basically what they wrote. It's quite phenomenal what comes out of it. And it's all these different testing methods. Now, we're talking about Quantum Upgrade today. And so you could do that with the Quantum Upgrade, but only if we— for the public, it's not possible right now to put your glass of water, like have that be charged by the Quantum Upgrade. But in theory, it's possible for us because, you know, we can— with the Quantum Upgrade, you can target a car, for example, or a home, but also an individual or a pet. In theory, it could also be a bottle of water if you wanted to. But it's a little bit complicated with that. That's why we're not offering it to the public. So if you want to charge your water at this point, you wouldn't use the Quantum Upgrade for that, you would indeed use a block.

Okay.

Well, let me ask you this. I have the Quantum Upgrade turned on for my house here in Idaho and I have a nice water filtration system, a whole house filtration system. Would the mere fact that I have it turned on for my house be affecting the water anyways?

Yeah, it should have a positive effect on the water, but it wouldn't be as effective as if you just took the container off where the water is stored, for example, and then put that in the block.

There's one experiment that was just done recently a couple weeks ago, a fellow named Kay Elmer did that I thought was absolutely brilliant. And I've had students do this before because it's a great experiment. So, you take alfalfa sprouts and you just have natural spring water and you try and get the alfalfa sprouts to sprout. Normal spring water, you get about 100%. Then you boil the water and you boil it on a flame and then you either use an electric coil or an electric induction to cook it and then you microwave it. And so, you boil it with all these different samples of water boiled through different mechanisms. So, with the flame, about 95% of the stuff boiled on a flame will sprout. With the electric, either a hot plate or an induction coil, about 70% or so will sprout. Once you've microwaved it, Nothing. Zero will sprout. But, and this was the brilliant stroke, he took the water that had been microwaved and also did a run that was microwaved and then was charged with our system. And after that, more than was sprouting with the flame sprouted from the water that had been restructured after it was microwaved. So basically, it kind of demonstrably shows that it reinvigorates the life force in the water.

Oh, okay. I have questions. Yeah.

And, that's a great one because anybody can replicate that. I mean, it's a very simple experiment.

Okay. So, a lot of people use a microwave. I don't. I was never convinced that it did that much to the food, although I'm more concerned about just the radiative effects in the body, people standing next to it in the kitchen while it's turned on and running, et cetera. But, it sounds to me like what you're saying when it comes to microwaved water affecting, deleteriously affecting sprout growth, that there is something that happens to water or food when it's in the microwave?

Yeah, it effectively strips the promoting life force component of the water. You can't sprout anything after you've microwaved it.

I don't think people are going to accept the description of nuking life force. Can we get more scientific?

Let's put it in a more scientific framework. Okay. So, water has oxygen molecule and and a bond angle of 104.5 degrees in between the two hydrogens. A microwave at 2.4 gigahertz causes those to oscillate. That little fluctuation is thermally emissive. Just a little vibration is what you actually perceive as heating. That's why you can only heat something that has water in it, right? You can't— you're not going to put a piece of completely kiln-dried wood in there. There's no effect, right?

Even though, even though one of my favorite things is microwave beef jerky for lunch.

I don't know how great that is, but you know, hey, To each his own.

I have not completely tried it, baby.

Yeah, you know what? I might try that later today. But that's the thing. So, you oscillate this stuff and I would posit that those fluctuations cause actual damage to the integrity of that setup. And so, in order to get it back to a point where it's reintegrated, the quick oscillations, I don't know that anybody actually knows specifically why, It's doing that, but the net effect is it doesn't allow you to sprout anything.

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What's quantum energy?

Well, it's the energy that exists in everything.

Every unit of matter contains quantum energy and every person constantly interacts with other quantum energy fields. And your energy field can be affected, some say disrupted, by a lot of the toxic stress that is thrown at our bodies every day, in many cases with modern technology that creates electromagnetic pollution. EMFs are something you may have heard of. And no, I'm not telling you to throw away your phone and move to some pristine Himalayan mountaintop, but you can look into this thing called the Quantum Upgrade. They documented a 29% increase in ATP production when comparing the use of the Quantum Upgrade in the presence of electromagnetic pollution versus not having it there. Now, I'm no quantum scientist, but I do know that quantum entanglement isn't limited by distance or time. So, you can use this thing anywhere you'd like, at home, while traveling, New York, Tokyo, you name it. You have your own login and this dashboard where you get to choose the frequencies, you get to choose the type of quantum experience you desire. And, if you are skeptical, you can actually try this for free. You get a 15-day free trial when you go to quantumupgrade.io and use the code BEN15. That's quantumupgrade.io. Use the code BEN15. I've been running one on my home. I think I'm going on about 2.5 years now and my phone and my body. And, it's It's very, very interesting and it's definitely worth exploring. So, quantumupgrade.io with the code BEN15.

After it's done. So, I would say there's something happening with the rapid oscillation or affecting the bonds, something to that effect.

Which brings us directly to electromagnetic fields. And for the people that don't know that, but I used to be vice president at T-Mobile for several years in Europe. And, also in the US. So I know a little bit about electromagnetic field, and that is the reason why the water is dead after putting it in the microwave. And that is also the reason why our bodies are feeling so freaking bad if we're exposed to 4G, 5G, 6G, Wi-Fi, microwaves, electric cars, being in an airplane, because our water is being attacked, our brains are being attacked, our cellular function is being attacked, and you can measure it in the blood. So we've done all this research and it's quite significant. If you've seen the data, and I've been in these labs seeing firsthand how it stresses people and how it disrupts even the limbic system, it's terrible. And the good news is we're talking today about the solution.

What does it do to the blood?

It tends to clot the blood significantly, actually. So you end up— if you have relatively normal blood, you usually end up with stage 2 of blood clotting relatively quickly when you're exposed to that. You see that white blood cells tend to get paralyzed, the oxygenation in the blood almost disappears, and then you create an environment which is quite a toxic, bad environment. It's an environment that parasites can thrive in. It's an environment that also other toxins can thrive in. And that's pretty much what happens.

The other things that's really bad is it forms these chains. You're in a perfect state, your body should have happy little 8-micron-wide red blood cells scattering about, individuated. And when you're exposed to EMF fields, it throws things off pretty greatly and they start to cluster together in things called Rouleaux formations, and it's R-O-U-L-E-A-U-X. So a Rouleaux formation is—

okay, got it.

Yeah. And so they can't get into all of the microvasculature. So if you put a pulse oximeter on somebody and you're looking at it, it might actually read that they have 99% blood oxygen saturation. That's great, but it's like starving to death being chained at a buffet table. It can't actually get the oxygen where it's supposed to go because the microvasculature is set up to receive little 8-micron packets, not 15 to 55-micron long chains. You literally can't get it delivered where it needs to go, and that impinges everything. You know, your brain is 2% of your body mass but sucks down 20% of your oxygen. So if you quite literally can't deliver the oxygen to your brain, it doesn't matter what your saturation reads, you're still in a state of deprivation.

I've heard that PEMF, like using a PEMF mat, can actually help to re-separate the cells and improve the charge so that clumping doesn't occur. Have you guys actually looked at blood after it's been exposed to one of the quantum frequencies or the Leela Block or anything like that?

100%. So, the Quantum Upgrade has been tested extensively in randomized double-blind studies in regards to the blood. And not only that, we actually just offered it at the— we just talked about it before you came on. We were at the largest, world's largest fitness event or like conference in Germany, in Cologne. 160,000 people were there and we had a huge booth. I had 4 talks and right at the booth we offered live blood analysis testing with 2 microscopes. I mean, that was not us offering that. That was an independent institute. So, you could get tested before and after and see right there what was going on. And, it's amazing if you can see with your own eyes what happens. But, in lab environments where you can actually also completely block off electromagnetic radiation, for example, you can do very proper before testing what happens if no Wi-Fi is turned on, then you can test what happens when Wi-Fi is turned on, and then you test what is happening when Wi-Fi is turned on and the Quantum Upgrade is turned on. And yeah, in 100% of the cases, you see significant results. You see that there's a reversal of even stage 2 of blood clotting within 10 minutes. Again, reversal of stage 2 of blood clotting within 10 minutes. I repeat that because for some people it takes a while. This is a lot. We're not talking about marginal changes. We see that white blood cell activity, motility is increased. You see that even the duration of the life, liveness in blood that you can see under the microscope is extended significantly. We have proven in randomized double-blind studies that parasitic load in the blood reduced by 40% on average over a 6-month period in a study. While at the same time in the control group, the parasitic load increased. So, the net gap is actually larger than 40%, and that's quite significant. That's just for the blood. Okay.

So, parasitic load, I'm sure this freaks a lot of people out. You can get a stool test for parasites and yeast and fungus and things like that. Talk to me about the blood parasitic load thing because the way you describe it, it sounds like A lot of people have parasites in their blood.

Yeah, that is true. Well, Ian, did you want to say something?

No, I was just going to say that having done it on myself, it's kind of shocking actually to look at your own blood and see all of the handy-dandy little critters that are floating around.

And they're opportunistic. These aren't beneficial microbes or something like that?

No, these are opportunistic. Now, of course, you do have some beneficial things floating around in your system too, but Yeah. What we're talking about is specifically detrimental parasitic load.

Okay. And somehow frequencies are interacting with these in a way that decreases the load.

I'll take a step back real quick and then I get into this specific question because for the viewers that don't even know how this technology works, what is it that we even have? Right. And most people haven't heard about it still. Right. Which is amazing. We have figured out a way on how to provide a super concentrated coherent field for any biological organism, whether that's a plant, a pet, or a human, obviously. And every human and every animal and every plant also has a core primal vibration that they vibrate on. It's like their unique blueprint vibration. That vibration, if you vibrate fully in that, then you're in homeostasis energetically. And the can't be any other way than to also be in homeostasis physically. Now, we're constantly bombarded by electromagnetic fields, by blue light and LED light, by all these other things that completely stress our system. Because stress is the keyword here. It's all stress on all different levels, and that throws our frequency and vibration off. Now, if we provide these super coherent fields, suddenly we we vibrate in a coherent way as well. We get back to our core vibration, and suddenly our physical body follows suit and starts to improve. That's the mechanism. That's how it works. And that's also how it works with the parasitic load in the blood to go this full loop. Because what actually changes is the environment in the blood. The environment in the blood suddenly changes and improves energetically on a vibrational level. And suddenly the red blood cells, like you can say, become stronger, right? In a way, they become— because it's oxygenated again, they're separated like they should be. White blood cells that are part of the immune system force, basically, they get activated again. The environment suddenly starts to be really bad for parasites. Because they need a bad environment to thrive in. So, it gets worse and worse, so they need to start to degenerate, and that's the mechanism.

Ben Greenfield: Okay.

Let's say back to the Wi-Fi router thing, you said theoretically it'd be possible that I could charge up a bottle of water from afar with the technology. What about if I have Wi-Fi at my house? Could I somehow point it at my Wi-Fi router and affect those frequencies in some way, or would that just destroy my internet download speed or something like that?

Well, it would not do anything to your download speed and the Quantum upgrade in theory, we could do a customized setup for you for your Wi-Fi router, but it's absolutely irrelevant.

I mean, well, I should clarify, I don't personally have a Wi-Fi router because my house is hardwired with Ethernet for some of the reasons you've already brought up. Well, let's say someone did have a Wi-Fi router, could they do that?

Well, they couldn't because we don't publicly offer it. It's not necessary because you could just put your whole home in there and then, You can have 10 Wi-Fi routers in there and then they're all covered.

Right. Your whole home. Even though I always forget to do this, but you could do it when you're traveling and you could just point it at your hotel room, right?

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah. Do you guys do that?

Yeah, I always do that. But you wouldn't use a specific home location service that you can really crank up because you also obviously have other people in the hotel, right? That's not really what you would want to do. We offer these so-called free fields. It's like a free reward field that everyone gets. They get like 2 or 3 over time just for free, and then they are limited in their strength, but they're strong enough to provide a really amazing support. And you can set that for your Airbnb, for your hotel. And then you can— I mean, if you were to travel to a new hotel every day, you could just keep changing the location.

Yeah. Okay. So now what we need is, is we need Claude agentic AI to have access, you know, with your username and password or whatever to your— I'm not kidding— to your, to your Google Calendar and to your Quantum Upgrade website. And then you could just basically set up custom instructions so you could set it and forget it. That theoretically could be doable, right?

Theoretically it could be doable. We want to offer that or if the users want to give that away, that's up to probably—

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You just know it's hard to remember when you travel a lot to just point it at a new hotel, but I'm writing a note to myself, a new business idea for me.

Have your assistant do it.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yet another thing for my EA to do. Okay. So, studies, you mentioned this new one on parasitic load. Spoke at this German fitness conference about that. What else since we last talked has been studied?

So, we have gotten extensive research in regards to the brain. And so, we have about 4 studies, really big studies that have been performed. One with a most advanced EEG device on the market in the world, a 256-channel high-density EEG that looks into the brain like an MRI. And there was another study done with that one. So the first one was so positive and so encouraging that there was a follow-up study that was even larger, randomized and blinded. At a top institute near Frankfurt. And this, we can talk about the results of the first study. Of the second study, I can only tell you it was incredibly positive across the board. And I can't share anything more because this will be published internationally and we have to wait until it's out. And then, you know, you'll be the first one to get the paper and you get a summary from us. But it's, it's going to be mind-boggling, absolutely mind-boggling what we've been able to show. But what I can talk about, and, you know, obviously you'll find a lot of that in that second study also, I can talk about the first study that was done. So again, this is a clinical, clinically proven, scientifically accepted mainstream testing method The 256-channel EEG, there's nothing better in the world. And you can visualize in the brain what happens at all times. So what they do is they have a completely electromagnetic-free room. So you get a baseline read. So you see that everything in the brain is calm. Then they get in nowadays, it's always the iPhone or cell phone of the latest generation. I think they've been using the iPhone 16. It gets put near the ear about half an inch away, I would say, and it stays there. No one is talking. There's a 5G call for 30 minutes and no one is talking for the reason that you don't want to provide content. It needs to be always like a white noise so that it's always the same so it doesn't impact the brainwaves. Now, then you measure that and you see, oh my God, the stress levels in the brain go up significantly. Once you've seen that once, you'll be like, oh my God, I need to do something with this because it's terrible. And Ian will explain to us now what you can even see.

And by the way, especially I know that the effects vary based on distance, but really strong case for not holding your phone up to your head. I know it's still an issue if it's by your body, But I mean, yeah, speaker or headphones preferably whenever you can.

It's already an issue if you don't even have a phone with you because we live in an EMF soup. You can't hide from it anymore. You have 5G towers, you have 6G already rolled out in many, many places even though they say they're just starting with the rollout. That's not true. It's already been happening for a long time. You have Starlink now being put pretty much all around the Earth, and you can't hide that stuff anymore. In most places you have Wi-Fi, so you're always exposed. If you're in an electric car, you don't have to have a phone with you to be blasted.

Unless you live at my house, which has shielded painting and shielded windows.

Unless you live in our house, which is— And a fraction of the cost.

Yeah, so I don't have an electric vehicle yet. I just put the payment down on the Tesla website for this. It's like a pre-owned 2024 Model Y, and I'm already talking with Brian Hoyer at Shielded Healing who makes, you know, 'cause the back seat is the worst place. He's creating like an upholstery for the back seat that we can use to shield people who are in the back seat. But sorry, I derailed us. Back to this study. The people are in the room, They talk on the phone, you see the EEG just go scrambled and haywire for their brainwaves. And then what happens?

So what you see is all the stressors go up significantly. You see everything that's linked to your calm state gets destroyed through the electromagnetic radiation. And then once the quantum up— so then they do the same run again. iPhone here, 30 minutes phone call, 5G call. And the quantum operator is turned on again, it's happening blinded, right? So, people don't know and you see nothing. All the stress goes down. And, Ian, I know you wanted to mention probably some specific data and all that.

So, on that, yes, we can. And, the data is kind of crazy, like an 11-fold reduction in the stress on the limbic system, which is what governs kind of emotional interaction and And you're— so your stress load precipitously drops just amazingly. But, but I actually— this is one of those times where truly, and, and it's on our website, a picture is worth a thousand words. I, I literally keep this on my phone so I can show people. So this is everyone, this was 10 people whose brains on a 256-channel QEG, very clear. Then this is with the iPhone kicked in for 30 minutes.

Okay. And then, by the way, when you held up the iPhone one, it looked like there was more color, more activity.

Yeah.

And that's exactly what it is. That is stress in the brain. Yeah, it's stress centers in the brain. Everything is lit up. There's just a ton of stress. And then, literally immediately after you kick on the Quantum Upgrade, the stress dissipates.

And then, this was blind. They didn't know it got turned on. Correct.

It has nothing to do with that. By the way, you couldn't tell people and it would not be possible. Every scientist will tell you that about the 256-channel EEG, those spikes, you can't do anything with that. But indeed, blinded. And we see that, we'll get into that. But it's not the only study. We're replicating this data pretty much all over the world and it's just phenomenal.

Yeah. And truly, this is one of those things where the data is great and you can read through it and look at reductions in stress load across the entire limbic system, increases in focus, increases in acuity, all of that. And it's terrific. But truly, the reason I have this on my phone is because when I'm trying to explain this to people, you know, I say, look, this is the most advanced tech in the world. It's better than anything anywhere else on the planet. And this is what it shows. And when they see the picture of 10 people who are blinded to what's going on, even the researchers at the Institute did not believe that that was going to happen. They were flummoxed when it kicked on and all of the stress dissipated. It was jarring to the scientist actually doing the study because even as a scientist who works kind of in the quantum realm, so much of it is still unknown. And, in the mainstream part of science, there's a resistance to it because we're mechanistic things. We think of ourselves as kind of a meat machine a lot of times, and that's fundamentally wrong, but still, that's our experience of reality.

So yeah, you guys get called out for that in the comment section and on social when I post these interviews. People are like, oh yeah, easy for them to say, charge money and they blast you with invisible frequencies. But I mean, you hold up photos like this and we could put the high-res version on the channel.

Yeah.

And we see it. That's nice to me.

Clearly, proof is in the pudding.

Yeah, I'm giving you a heads up here. So, because at this point, like, there's so much evidence, it's just absolutely, you know, nonsense if someone says, oh, you know, they could do anything, or this doesn't work, they just say that, or whatever. Look at the science, look at the papers. And people are really curious, really open, and really interested. And, you know, by now we have world champions and top scientists that are being convinced by this and now teaching in their classes about it. But if there's someone at some point that just doesn't want to believe it because it goes against his worldview of, oh, that can't be because I can't imagine that it works, therefore it can't be. I'm like, I bet you $50,000 that it works. Do you want to get tested in that institute? I take that bet right now. I'm happy to even pay for all of it. It costs €3,000 to get tested at that institute. You can see with your own eyes if it does work.

So you're going to make $47,000, basically.

Exactly. And at that point, everyone remains silent because they're like, oh my God, this is legit. We can prove it each and every time. This is not random. That's what people need to understand. We're not a vaccine company that needs to invite 2 million people to show a 0.0001% positive effect on one marker while like 100 other markers destroy your system. This is something, as you turn it on, suddenly your brain destresses and at the same time your cognitive function improves. And it happens to happen each and every time. It's like if you pour water on something, it's wet. It happens every time. It's just a very normal function of something that you do.

You referenced or alluded to the fact that you you have gotten some other studies done recently?

Yes. In regards to the brain, there was also another study that's in the process of being published that was done at a lab in Portugal, also in regards to EEG. And then, the BioCybernaut Institute with Dr. Jim Hardt ran a study with also an advanced EEG tech and he looked at mood scales and he was able to prove just within just a few minutes of the Quantum Upgrade being turned on, I am asked quite a bit what I light my home with.

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During certain states compared to before, and by the way, that was also randomized and double-blind, very important, with control group and everything, people that didn't get exposed and the experimental group people got exposed to the Quantum Upgrade, there were significant effects in these mood scales. So, I give you an example. What does that mean? So depression level went down, happiness went up, cognitive function went up, things like that. Right. And by the way, I forgot to mention that this institute in Germany that also uses this 256-channel EEG, they use one of the top HRV devices as well that you can buy several thousand dollars. Device, and they also have that run with it. So they're not just doing EEG, they're also doing HRV testing, again, randomized and double-blind and with significant effects because it calms the nervous system, which is no surprise to anyone that knows anything about StressLink brainwaves. Because if your brain destresses, obviously your nervous system destresses as well. And I wanted to say, though, that the limbic system, that's sort of our sacred system in the brain. And it's very important people understand that these stressors, these electromagnetic fields, they get even into our limbic system. And maybe Iain, you have such a wonderful way of explaining what the limbic system is and what it does so people understand what is actually going on and what's possible.

Yeah, so everybody's familiar with, you know, people being in a sympathetic, you know, kind of a fight-or-flight state, or a parasympathetic, you know, rest, relax, recovery states. And your limbic system governs your emotional and behavioral responses, so it's what's in control. And so if you can calm the limbic system, and we showed, you know, in that previous study that I had the imagery from, you know, you get an 11-fold reduction in limbic activity. So, you're very relaxed. And Ben, you had asked me prior to starting about Penrose-Hameroff, right? And so, Sir Roger Penrose, for those who don't know, really brilliant physicist, Nobel laureate. And then, Stuart Hameroff is an anesthesiologist. And they have this thing called the orchestrated objective reduction theory, which basically says that nanotubules in the brain because of quantum fluctuations are actually what stimulates consciousness. Now, I know that Philip and myself would disagree. We would actually say that consciousness is the precursor to any of the things that are physical. But they're able to back up a lot of their assessments using anesthesiology and with the anesthetics, put people under and then see shifts in their brain function and their brainwaves. And supposedly, devoid of consciousness. I would argue that that's not actually really what they're seeing, but they're still kind of scratching at this, the edges of saying consciousness is greatly affected by things at the quantum field. And I, I agree with that. And what, what we're doing is actually, by virtue of placing a very, very highly concentrated beneficial quantum field around and throughout a person, we affect everything. And so what you see with regards to the limbic system is you see calming effect, and you also see an increased potential for focus and for clarity. So, your mental clarity goes up, your mental acuity goes up, your access to your mind goes up. You actually have better recall. Everything that we consider a positive is enhanced when you subtly manipulate the quantum field in a beneficial way. And so, that calming of the limbic system allows people to respond to the everyday stressors, not just EMFs, but literally anything, your family, if you get hurt, anything like that. You basically, as Philipp had said earlier, it makes the resonant field that is you stronger. So, you're literally just more effectively you.

Right. And we should note that you can adjust it on the website for the hours that you're sleeping if you didn't want it to be as stimulative. I work out at 8:30. I use one of those, I forget the the one I have set up. It was the one you advised me on last time, Philip. But basically, I have mine set up to turn it on to a pretty high frequency for when I'm in my home gym from 8:30 to 9:30. Kind of dials back after that, relaxes a little bit in the afternoon, and then I've got going into kind of like a sleep mode at night. By the way, the orchestrated reductive hypothesis in biology, I thought that was the theory that violinists should have shorter bows. There's your joke for the day.

Exactly.

Okay. So, here's a question. People don't have the hundreds-plus lead EEG at home to test themselves, but let's say I'm at home and I want to do just a practical 30-day trial on myself. I'm suspecting based on what you just said about the limbic system, Ian, that HRV or readiness, stress, whatever on an Oura or a Whoop would be one thing to pay attention to. But let's say you could wave a magic wand, somebody could theoretically do a pre and post blood, nothing super fancy but just something that's accessible to a lot of people or look at specific things on a wearable. What should someone track to see if this is actually working besides just how they feel?

Ben Greenfield: I'd look at HRV. Philipp, what would your go-to be?

HRV, sleep. I would possibly give it 3, 4 days for for it to settle in. Some people see effects on that pretty rapidly, but for others, you know, it takes a little bit because also the quantum energy can stir some things up in the first few days. Definitely, you know, markers in terms of what you're capable of performing. So you will probably see relatively quickly things that you can count. So if I don't know, you're doing 10 pull-ups usually, and then you turn on the Olympic Performance the first time at a huge booster. Maybe not just on the first day, because then actually we advise, like, don't crank it up all the way, like, right away. Just give yourself a few days of getting used to this, because even though it's subtle energy, it's not like an electricity shock, right? Obviously, but it's powerful for your system. So, be gentle with it at first. But then, when you do that, you'll see increase in lifts that you'll be able to do.

Ben Greenfield: Where my mind is kind of going is like, so for under $60 or nothing for a copay, you could get a complete blood count and a comprehensive metabolic profile as a basic blood from your doctor. If you have something as simple as like, I know a lot of our listeners use a Carol bike, that has a VO2 max test on it. You can do grip strength. You can do body composition. And you could do some of the things that you mentioned like HRV and then possibly something like— and there's apps that you can do this with for free on the App Store like a CNS tap test, which is basically using your thumbs on either hand to see how many times you can tap your phone screen. In 60 seconds and something like an n-back test, which is a short-term memory test. Even just a few parameters like that, and this is just kind of an interesting field in general, it's like using some pretty simple tools at home beyond just testing the effects of Quantum Upgrade, you can create your own monthly longevity profile that you do on yourself, your own monthly Longevity Olympics.

Yeah, the n-back, the tap test, and the grip strength would be epic for that. Yeah, you'll definitely see it. And HRV.

And what— and it also depends on what frequency you're using, right? Because we have about 35 different frequencies. And if you put it on calm and rest, for example, you're not going to see yourself lifting more because that's not frequency for it, right? But you'll be able to see yourself rest better. So it depends a little bit on that, of course. And here's the thing, we offer a free trial, no credit card even needed for people. Like, you don't, you don't, there's no strings attached. You nothing like renews or anything. Go to quantumupgrade.io and sign up for the free trial and then see for yourself. And I think, Ben, we set up a code. If I'm not mistaken, the code is Ben15, Ben 1 5. And with that code, you get actually 15 days free trial. And then that's the time for you to really test that, crank it up a little bit, feel into this.

Yeah. After 20 years of health podcasting and interviewing people like you who have websites, I just tell people to start with the word Ben and then just start typing in random numbers and Ben 10, Ben 15, Ben 20. Get lucky. Try Ben 50. Yeah. One's going to work at some point. There was one other thing that you had mentioned to me, Philipp, early on when we booked this interview. I'm like, "Well, what's new? I don't want to do a repeat of our last study." And, you kind of gave me a list, some of the studies you've already talked about, but then I think you mentioned one on melanin.

Is that correct? Yeah. So, that to me was not a full study, but it was a set of experiments. So, let's call it a pilot. Where they looked at melanin levels in the body. And that's quite important because most people don't know that melanin acts like a photoreceptor for light. And melanin is sort of responsible to be our, I would call bioenergetic shielding for our body. And it protects us also from things like electromagnetic radiation. It gets destroyed by blue light and LED light. And by not having enough exposure to natural sunlight. So that's a huge issue. And then if on top of that you're getting blasted by EMFs, you're basically, I mean, you're defenseless and you're hurt. And it was shown that the melanin levels optimized in all cases. But at this point, we need to be a little bit careful. I'm not making claims on that yet, but there's some really positive indication regarding that.

Yeah, yeah. Just don't advertise it as the InstaTan quite yet.

Oh, yeah. Not quite yet.

Okay.

We'll have the Melanotan 2 frequency.

Yeah, yeah. And, we should clarify, by the way, yeah, blue light does have a deleterious effect on melanin production, but that would be isolated because as people know, you get blue light from the sun but it's balanced with your natural infrared frequencies. That even comes down to about how we light our home, right? We have LED and we have infrared and we have a combination of both of those. So, we're getting as close to the natural spectrum as possible. What you don't want is just modern fluorescent LED backlit screens, blue light in general in the absence of infrared. That's where the blue light, if we want to call it toxicity, sets in.

And Ben, maybe it's also of interest for you and the viewers here and listeners, there are a couple more things. One is, you know, people may be wondering, okay, so the brain, all these tests with the brain, that sounds amazing. Was it just like a lab environment? Yeah, lab environment, but with actual people. That's very important to know. Like, it was not just like some thing. It was actual humans, actual living beings. And then there was a study done with 100 women by the reputable Health Institute that was not an EEG study. It, it just looked at specific biomarkers that they tested and self-reporting. It was also randomized and blinded, and it showed phenomenal effects. Also, depression levels went down, cognitive function went up, anxiety and stress levels went down by over 30%. Which is quite significant. And it all shows the same thing pretty much just through different testing methods, right? One is the really hard data of an EEG that doesn't lie and can see pretty much everything in your brain. The other one is people just measuring other biomarkers and interviewing the participants. And I don't want to forget this. Just wrote down, you know, what we're currently working on because there's always more research that's coming and it's quite exciting. There is research in regards to cognitive function, even though that's been already shown to be improved, but there's a specific study now with that, you know, reaction time and things like that. And then there's a study in regards to Lyme that is currently being performed by a clinic in Pennsylvania. Which is also quite exciting and I can't wait for the final results.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah, super interesting. And I know you guys do a pretty good job on your Instagram channel as well kind of highlighting some of the new research. And what I'm going to do, and I am serious, send me that photo especially of the EEG effect on or the L-Upgrade effect on cell phone use because I would love to embed that in the shownotes. But for those of you Yeah, just email it to me and me or someone with more technical proficiency than me will put it in the shownotes. So, BenGreenfieldLife.com/Quantum2026 is where the shownotes reside. I just checked, the code actually is BEN15 to just try it out for free for 15 days. But, BenGreenfieldLife.com/Quantum2026. Philipp, I will await with bated breath our chance to meet on the tennis courts. You'll probably need to turn off your frequencies just so I can at least maybe win a few points. But in the meantime, guys, thanks so much for doing this.

Absolutely, Ben. Good to see you, man.

Thank you so much for having us on.

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