How to Leverage Media Opportunities by Being a Real Person with Chris Winfield

Welcome to make More Marbles. My name is Brad Hart and we're here to interview the game changers, the future makers, the co collaborators and creators who are here to collaborate with one another towards a better future for all of us. Enjoy the show. We've got a great guest coming up for you right now. Welcome to Make More marbles. My name is Brad Hart and today I am joined by the very special guest, Mr. Christopher Winfield, coming in from New York. New York, actually, from my old neighborhood. We used to, like, be basically neighbors. Crazy Chris, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you, Brad.

Yeah.

It's so good to finally connect.

Absolutely. We were just talking about how we have over 150 friends on Facebook we've never actually met. We know all the same people, we go all the same types of events. You're doing stuff with Scott at the unfair advantage event. You're doing stuff with Todd and his mastermind. 90 day a year. If you haven't checked out Todd Herman, it's incredible. Scott's incredible at marketing. And you're just. You're an unfair advantage to the people in your networks. Right. You're the guy who gets it done with relationships, gets these connections and access these resources. Kind of like me in a way, right? Where it's just like, there's no question, like, you just couldn't do it unless you knew the right people. I've got a saying. I don't need to know everything if I know everybody. It sounds like we're going to be friends. Because you know what? Live by the same thing, actually.

I don't know. I love that saying. And so it's funny because each day I try to find, like, one thing that I can learn or just take away. And I don't think I had my takeaway or thing I learned today, but I'm going to use that saying.

So please, Robin, duplicate R and D. That's what business is all about. I love it. You can also grab that one. That's from Dan Martell.

Yeah. Oh, Dan's another good friend. I'm going to see him in a couple of weeks.

Yeah, I love Dan. He's coming down for tnc.

You're going to be here, I'll be there. And I'll be in actually San Diego again before that for Giovanni's. I'm going to be in San Diego three times in the next, like, two months for Giovanni's Archangel Masters thing. So.

Yeah, right on. Well, I will see you then for sure. Okay. So let's hop in right into the hero's journey. Because I think a lot of people, they see the success and all the things you're doing with entrepreneur and all this great stuff, and it's hard to relate to that for them. Everybody can respect you for your success, certainly, but they'll more relate to your failures. Everybody can relate to failure, but not everybody can relate to success. So why don't you give us a few coordinates, a few stories along the way, sprinkle in some failures that kind of ground and humanized the whole story for everybody. Chris?

Yeah, so the interesting thing is that I talk about the failure side a lot because almost exactly just under five years ago, a company and agency that I had started, which had grown pretty big, and it looked really good on the outside, close to 100 employees, bunch of offices and everything. So it looked great on the outside. Our launch got covered in the New York Times and TechCrunch and everything, all this stuff. And we did all these conferences, and it looked great on the outside, and it was exactly like my life at the time. Like, it looked really good on the outside, but I was miserable on the inside. I was in industry. I didn't really enjoy doing stuff that I didn't really like. And I had been. But the way I explained it, I'd been comfortable being uncomfortable and not in a good way. There's a good uncomfortable. Going to the gym, working out, pushing yourself, and, you know, being right outside of your comfort zone. That's like the good uncomfortable. The bad uncomfortable is where you're just like complacent and like you're okay and you just kind of accept, at least for me, forget you for me, when I just accept something and just don't really try to change that. So. And I'd been in that state for a while and, you know, luckily it didn't feel lucky at the time. But that company, for me at least, it imploded and it still exists, like in couple of different countries. But for me, everything kind of just like went wrong. And, you know, there were so many different factors to that, but it had just like, it was at that point I lost pretty much everything. And it was very like, just messy and all this. But the thing for me right then was that I had that this year at that, like, jumping off point and you can either keep going and like dig yourself deeper and become more miserable or like, I had that choice where I'm just like, I'm changing everything. I'm changing everything about my life. I have no idea what the hell I want to do. All I know is that what I don't want to do. And you know, at that moment I just started to really change everything. And it took. And it sounds like such a great. Like that sounds so easy and all this. It was unbelievably painful, but it was like. I look back at that time and I look back at those next six or seven months where I just focused on myself and focused on really becoming better and just becoming a healthier person. And that was losing everything and having it be so painful. Literally. I look at that as one of the best three things that ever happened to me in my life. And I just like. And that's just one of those things. And everything has changed since then. But, you know, I believe that we need those like course corrections. Sometimes if you're. It's like God will do what for you, what you can't do for yourself. In my case, I was not ready to make a change as bad as I wanted to.

So you talk about your spirituality. Is that one of your guiding principles in your life? Can you talk a little bit about that?

Yeah. And it's interesting, I. So that became a big part of my life and not. I was always anti religion, anti this. And I'm still like, I'm just a spiritual person. I believe that there's something greater than me because if I'm all there is. And I really. And I used to think the opposite. I used to think that everything was just like luck or. And not in a good way, but like that either you had to work really, really hard to get what you wanted or you had to be blessed with some talent or something. And not saying that neither of those things don't equal success or happiness. But what I found is that they often don't. And for me, it's very important to have something greater than me to rely on and fall back on Now. I forget that all the time. Right now, today. Saying this to you right now is like, maybe since this morning, the first time I remembered that since right after I wrote a gratitude list. But it is like a huge. It's a huge part of my life. And I never thought that it would be that. And I never thought I'd be, you know, talking about that.

Yeah. Like, for example, I was raised Catholic, right? And a really good way to not be Catholic when you grow up is to be going to Catholic school for like eight years. You know, it's like you get to the end of that, you're like, alright, I'm done with that. And all Organized religion. So I spent most of my twenties not really believing in anything. And then I realized, like, I've reached the capacity of what I can be as a human being. If I'm going to find anything else in my life that's worth meaning, it's got to be something outside I had to look beyond. And then that led me to a more spiritual lane where I believe that we're all connected. So I like to ask those questions to see what, you know, where people are at with that, what they think and how that kind of affects their life. And you touched on a few things that I think are just really important to bring out and remind people is that gratitude is everything. It's a vibrational energy. If you can just say, yes, please, more of that, and be thankful for the things that show up in your life. That's you telling the universe, and you're telling the God or whatever you want to call it, that that's what you want and that's what you want to continue to show up. But if you're always worried and fearful, you're vibrating that that's what starts showing up, because you're telling it exactly what you want. And I have to remind myself consistently that how powerful I can be a manifest and manifesting wonderful things. And I'm doing it to myself all the time on both ends. It's happening very quickly. And I'm just like. I feel like I'm in the matrix sometimes. I don't know if you've experienced this, but when you start moving faster in life, the universe conspires with you and it conspires against you sometimes.

Yeah. And since we're doing a podcast, people can see me vigorously shaking my head in agreement, nodding my head in agreement, but yes. And it's so amazing. So there's so many different things that you brought up that. And this stuff just lights me up so much. But the. One of the things is that you can manifest it in either way. And the crazy thing and why I'm kind of laughing is that I know this and you know this, and you know what you can do in terms of creating, like, amazing stuff. But we still forget on a daily. At least I still forget every day.

We wake up and it's like, everything is horrible for that first 15 minutes. It's like, oh, my God, everything's falling apart and I haven't even woken up yet. I just want coffee. Why can't I just, like, wake up and have coffee? And I'd be freaking out.

Oh, my God. Exactly. And, you know, so you mentioned, though, another thing just with the gratitude side. So for about close to six and a half years, every day I've written a gratitude list. And for the last, I guess, five months, I've written two gratitude lists. And one is the things I'm grateful for today. And what I just do is I just think about the previous 24 hours. So tomorrow, doing this interview meeting, you will be on my gratitude list. And then I just look around, like, my apartment, whatever, and just think about all the things that I'm grateful for. Because my mind is not wired that way. It's wired to think kind of the other way and think about all the things I don't have or look at other people compare and all these different things. But now the second gratitude list, and this is the one that's really, like, just changed my life in the last four or five months, is this the things that I'm. I just write down, I'm so grateful these things have happened. And then I just write out the things as if they, like, whatever the different goals or whatever the things that I want to have happen. And sometimes those are just things as simple as, you know, I feel so peaceful and, you know, money just comes easily. And I don't, you know, like, whatever it is or be very specific about, like, goals or about things. And it's unreal how that. How powerful that is because that's like, just another way of just reprogramming my subconscious mind. And, you know, our subconscious minds are like gps. Like, you just program in whatever you want in there, good or bad, just like you said, and it's unreal what can come back.

Yeah, it's like I always said, I'm glad I don't manifest pink elephants because they would show up immediately, be every. There's a bad. There's like. If you think of a pink elephant, doesn't just show up and trample you because, like, that's seriously how fast it seems to happen. I'm glad there's, like, a minor delay where I could be like, no, cancel the pink elephant. I don't want it. You said something that was really great, and I think it's worth kind of just clarifying. So you have the second gratitude list, and you speak as if it's already happening. You're grateful that it already happened. So this is almost telling the universe what you want, that you're grateful for it. And it can't distinguish, right, it can't distinguish whether it's happened or not yet. It's Gonna just make it happen. And I don't believe that that's the whole picture. I think that there's that law of attraction piece, right, Which a lot you talk about, and there's the secret and all that stuff, but there's also this law of get off your and take action that a lot of people seem to neglect. It's like you can attract all you want and the opportunities will show up, but if you're not looking for them, if you don't see that you just created that and grab it and bring it closer or take that action that actually makes it real, it didn't matter. Right. It'll just go right by you again and you'll be like, oh, what about, I have the worst luck? You know, you got everything you wanted and you just didn't grab it. You didn't take the law of action.

Exactly. I heard it said it really well that, you know, God will make the bus show up, but you got to run to catch it. And like, I really like that even though I don't really take the bus. But I, like, I can get the analogy. And, you know, yeah, I don't believe that. It is just that I can just sit here all day and do nothing and just manifest something. And, you know, I do believe in having to put in the work. And I don't think it's also, just like, the interesting thing. And I'd be curious to get your thoughts on this. So the interesting thing is when I start to try too hard and start to, like, want something too much. And I found that with myself this week, like, really just like, focusing too much and not in a good way and not in like a easy, like, expectant and just putting in the effort and all that. But, like, where it's like, why isn't this happening yet? Why isn't this happening? And it doesn't happen. And I think then I can get into just, like, outworking it. And I found that. So it's like always like this, trying to come back to center. And why I also talk to so many people and love having conversations like this is because I get reminded and what you started this out with by asking about, like, failures and, you know, vulnerabilities and stuff. So when all this stuff, like, happened for me about five years ago, one of the. I made like, a couple of decisions in my life, but one of the decision was I'm going to every single day meet with at least one person. And I. And the only rules for that were that so I would do it, obviously that was the first rule. The second rule, I wasn't going in looking for anything, which was the opposite of how I had been. So I would just go in looking instead. How can I help this person now? I wouldn't say, what can I do to help you? Or anything like that, because no one really wants to hear, especially a lot of the people that I was meeting with and the caliber of person, that's the last thing they want to hear, because everyone's trying to do that. But it was more just like, what can I do? What can I bring to this? Rather than, what can I take from it? The third was being open and honest about where I was at. The amazing thing about that and just like, the stuff that we're talking about here is that I started to realize that I'm not the only one who has fear, who has insecurities, who feels like a fraud, who. You know, all these different things. So then, like, it's interesting because, like, that stuff, I saw that Jason. You interviewed Jason Gaynord, a friend of mine, and we were just talking about this recently when he was in New York. But my favorite quote of all time is, you can't connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards. The Steve Jobs quote. And, you know, I look back at just these little decisions and how much of an impact they've had on my life because they bleed into everything that I do now. Being completely, like, completely. I don't know if I'll ever be completely open and honest, but as much as I possibly can at any given point in my life. But doing that and allowing other people then to be able to do the same.

Yeah. And by the way, I love Jason. I love what you said about that push versus pull, right? That first gear hustle versus that third, fourth, fifth gear. When you're in fifth gear, man, you just had that little accelerator. You go 10 miles an hour, no problem. Like, 70 to 90 is, like, a little touch. But in the beginning, when you're just, like, you know, like, you're stalling out and getting the clutch going, that's all first gear stuff. I know. I love Gary Vee to death, but that's like a hustle message, right? Work harder, work harder, work harder. Eventually, you got to get into flow.

I love that flow.

Is third gear enough? You know, first gear is necessary. Second gear is very important. But if you stay there and try to go 70 miles an hour, it's gonna be a struggle. You're gonna burn out your engine pretty quick.

100%, yeah.

Yeah. So I love this. I want to break this down a little bit more because I really feel like the people listening, you know, they've all got their stuff going on, and you just start talked about something that completely changed the fabric of my life. I joined a mastermind group when I was about 25. I've been a part of 25 masterminds, or maybe 30 at this point since, and I've started five of my own. It's my number one tool in my entrepreneurial toolkit. The way I first started in masterminding was I literally got on a plane and went to where everybody lived. There's a hundred people in this mastermind. And I went to as many as them would have me. I would go and I'd stay with them and I would meet their families and I'll learn everything that was going on. I would just focus on serving them. That's all I did. I didn't know how to ask for anything. I was in full martyr mode. I'm like, I'm gonna come to you, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And eventually I parlayed all that, you know, all those relationships into something that actually did really well as a hedge fund I started, but I. That all kind of came, just one thing after the other. It wasn't really a plan. It just kind of fell together the way it fell together. But it started with that. It started with going into situations, not needing or wanting anything. And I was fortunate. At that time in my life, I had built up a pretty good chunk of cash doing what I was doing, but I really was coming from a place I didn't need anything. And that's hard for most people to understand, but the energy is the same. The energy of showing up in service and truly looking through conversation and questions and standards and just asking the right questions to get to a place where it's okay, so you need this. And we're really clear on this is what you need. Okay. I've got this resource, this person, this opportunity, this connection, the system, whatever it is that's going to help you solve that. And just doing that for a while and getting really good at that muscle. And then once you're good at that, because most people, they're. They're completely deprived in that area, then it becomes the balance, right? You talk about. Because like, you talking about, you're never going to be completely open and honest. That's true. There's always a pendulum swing, right? Because if you're completely open, honest. We're talking about your bowel movements, and you'd be talking about, you know, the sex you had last night or didn't have or how good it was and the food you didn't eat. Nobody wants to hear all that stuff. So you got to find that balance. And the same thing is true with giving and getting. It's a balance. There's two extremes between miser and martyr. The abundant line is finding that balance between the two. So in the giving, however, we learn how to receive effectively, and ultimately, we vibrate more of that going out and has to come back to us. So it's in giving that we receive. It's in loving that we love. It's in cherishing that we are cherished. It's in telling the truth, that the truth is told to us. You know, it's entrusting that we are trusted. It's all these things that we are holding back from the world.

The prayer of St. Francis.

Yeah, that. That we're actually wanting to give ourselves, you know, and we can give ourselves. We have to be willing to give them to others because we're all just a reflection of each other. We're all just mirrors for the things that we want in life. So it's just really important to dig into these. And people think, oh, you know, that's bullshit. And just, how do I make more money? This is how you make more money.

Exactly.

So who has all this money? You want people. So people have the money, relationships. They have the connections. They have the opportunities. If you can learn that, you've got it covered, you got it made.

Exactly. And with the mindset piece to go with it. And it's so interesting because I used to just. And even to be completely honest, when I start talking about this stuff, sometimes I think about, like, oh, exactly. Like somebody thinking, like, oh, that's all bullshit or what? And now. But I'm kind of also just at that point where I don't care. Like, I know for me, I know how it's worked. And just like you said, I've proven it to myself on both sides of the coin. So just you.

Brother John Templeton. He says gratitude's the reason he's a billionaire. I'm gonna listen to him.

Exactly. Exactly.

I'm not a billionaire, but I've missed a couple times. And I think I missed because I wasn't making the right choices in that moment when I could have been a billionaire. Bitcoin's at $0.05. Could have been a billionaire. Just saying.

I'm curious. So a big thing. So one of the things that I realized, and one of my biggest lessons, and this is I really leaned into this over the last year, but is how much just intuition is, like, everything for me. And what I mean by that is not my, like, just initial first thought about somebody or, you know, like, rash judgment or anything like that. That's usually wrong, to be honest. The intuition that I'm talking about is that feeling that I have where I know it's all right. So, like, if I'm in, let's say it's a relationship or, like, staying in a company that I knew wasn't the right fit, and feeling that and feeling that, and it's like I'm pointing to my stomach because it's like, my gut or my heart and, like, going against that and. Or on the opposite side when I really feel something and I'm like, wow, this is the right move. And then every time that I don't, you know, that I try to ignore that, I lose. Like, that's been my biggest. Like, one of my biggest things, and it's become so much more crystal clear and, you know, for me, lately. But it just. It's wild. It's really, really wild. So I'd love to just hear your thoughts on it. Not that I know you're interviewing me, but I'm curious. I want to know. This is good.

It's conversational. I think the reason people. You know, I've been on a lot of podcasts where they ask the same 8, 10, 15 questions every time, and it's just. It gets old. Like, let's. Let's be a little more off the cuff. So what's. What's present for us right now for showing up in service as vessels for a higher good is. You're talking about your intuition, your gut. We've evolved as humans to trust that. Right? That's what kept us alive. And before we even had the capacity to really understand, like a neocortex that was formed, like, we had a gut feeling where you just act on it, and we would live or we would die. And over time, that got really good. And still to this day, we have 10,000 pieces of information that our gut can process in that instantaneous blink of an eye. The funny thing is that it's not always wrong. If you feel off about something, you don't need a good reason not to feel off about it. Like, I'll give an example. My roommate and I, his name is also Brad. Some people think we're married. It's kind of funny. Got in an argument recently because I ordered food for takeout. And takeout shows up, and the lady hands it to me, and I'm like, thank you. And then she starts, you know, saying, oh, you know, you gave great directions. She starts, like, trying to start a conversation. She's trying to sell me, like, some water thing, or. I'm like, I don't have any interest in this. So Brad's at the door, too. He starts chatting up with her. I walk away because I'm like, I don't need to get pitched by the delivery lady. And I go back to doing what I was doing, and I'm eating, and, like, 10, 15, 20 minutes goes by. He comes back. He's like, this lady's great. I invited her to the Mastermind. I'm like, you invited her to her house? You don't know this lady. I just had a weird feeling about her. I'm like, I don't want to do it. So I know what the reason is. Now, looking back, right? Can't connect the dots. Is that we need to have a discussion about, like, boundaries and, like, how I feel about people. I'm at the point in my life where I'm not looking for any new relationships. I'm just not. Especially with ones that I feel are, like, you know, pushy or just needy. Like, I'm just not trying to track that kind of energy, so. And he. He was upset because he's like, you don't trust my judgment. I brought this one to the mastermind. I brought that. It doesn't make a difference, man. It's just something that we need to check in on before. It's like we're inviting this person into our shared space. Right. That was what I was upset about. It's like, you didn't really consult me, and I felt weird about this lady, so, you know, I'm sure she's a lovely lady. She was putting off an aggressive energy, and it was needy, and I didn't really want to invite her in her house. She's a stranger, you know? So that was. That was kind of where I drew the line. So it's like finding where your intuition. Like, where you can trust that and where you can't trust it.

Yeah.

And then, you know, I'm okay with being wrong. Like, she might turn out to be amazing. And, you know, he's. I just. He's responsible for that. If it's. If it's not, he's got to deal with it. I'm just like, dude, I'M not. I didn't invite this in. So you. You can handle it. Go to bed. Or if it works out great, awesome. If it works out terrible, great. I'm okay with either. I'm just. Just telling you how I feel. And, you know, the gut thing, though, like, you don't always need a good reason.

No.

Fact, it's more likely you're gonna live through the scenario and then look back and be like, oh, my God, was right.

Initially, a hundred percent. Yeah. I don't think it's necessarily that. And that's. I think that's the tricky part, because your brain wants you or other people want you to have to rationalize something and have, like, the backing evidence. And, you know, and many times we're trained.

We're trained to do that in society. Oh, we need a reason for it. No, it's okay. Just say no to something. Just. It doesn't feel right. That's good enough. You don't need to know why. Move on to the next thing. There's plenty of great opportunities out there that don't require a whole lot of thought.

So it's interesting because you mentioned, like, with relation, one of my rules that I came up with in this last year was that so I meet a lot of new people and, you know, and then there's a lot of other people, you know how it is, like, coming at you and all this. And like, there's just so much, like, you know, for anyone, for any of us, like, so much vying for our time. And so my thought, though, is just like, so how I feel is always the most important thing. And it's the most important not just for me, but for my bank account on a daily basis, for my family, for everyone around me. So I have to protect that a lot. I don't watch the news, I don't read the news, any of this, like.

And people hate me for that. They're like, oh, my God, did you hear about what happened? I almost died. I'm like, I'm sorry I didn't read your newsfeed today. I apologize.

The thing is, because when I'm like, with the news, for me was like, I wasn't doing anything about it. So I, like, I can serve and be much better in all these other ways, but I would, like, read about, like, whatever the latest outrage and just like, it's like outrage porn and, you know, like that.

So seriously.

So what I realized for myself was with people, especially if after two times, if I feel worse or if I don't feel Better after talking to them or being around them. After two times, I just cut them out. I'm just like, I can't have. And it's an amazing. It's worked really, really well. And it doesn't really matter who that is. So it's like a real simple little rule and that I created for myself. It's not perfect, but it's kept me surrounding myself with really, really good people.

Well, and if we approach this scientifically, because there is, you know, science. That's my training, right. I was a biologist in a past life. I want to be a doctor. Dr. Hart, the cardiologist, in fact, super egotoic. But whatever all good scientific method is, you're literally just. You're just hypoth. You're coming up with a hypothesis and you're testing the hypothesis. And then whatever closest to, you know, based on the data that comes back, whatever's closest to reality and makes the most sense and repeatable, that becomes a working theory. Like gravity is a theory. It's a pretty close theory we're pretty sure about. If we walk off a building, it's. We're fall to our death. Unless you somehow. So. So, like, that's your working hypothesis. Like, if I don't feel good about somebody twice, awesome. That's my thesis now. Like, and. And you're gonna miss. And you're got to be okay with. You know, you're gonna have two bad interactions with somebody who could have been a really good fit for you, 100%. But that's like the 2% of the time. And then the rest of the time you're like a spot on. It's okay that you missed a couple and maybe they'll circle back some other time. Yeah, meant to be. It's meant to be. But guess what? I'm never gonna meet 7 billion people on this earth.

No.

Never gonna do it.

And the reason I have it at 2 is because my first impression can be off. As I said before, there's like the saying contempt prior to investigation. So I could be somewhere and like, see somebody, like, say I'm speaking or something. Like there's somebody in the audience who looks like, miserable. And I'm like, I hate that person. Like, you know why? Because I'm thinking they hate me. And you know, it just comes back.

To our ego and like, how fragile it is.

It's so funny. Oh my God. And then the person, like, I'll meet the person later and they'll be like, oh, you're so great. I'm like, oh, I love this person 100%.

Your ego is getting triggered.

Oh, my God.

Sounds like you're human.

Ego is. That's like my. Yeah, that's the thing that I try and that. And I wish that that was not true. But there's other examples. But that is a true one. Like, because my mind will, like, say, there's a hundred people in a room or the audience, and there's, like, that one person who looks, like, out of it. I'm ignoring all the people that are, like, happy and, like, shaking their head. I'm, like, looking at that person. I'm not really, but in my mind, I am. Um, so it's like a good. I'm just saying this more to remind myself that that is not where I need to focus for people listening at home.

It's like, we all have an ego. We all have a thing that's, like, built into our subconscious that protects us because it's looking for what's wrong. It will ignore everything that's going right in your life and find the things that are wrong, because those are the things that historically would have killed you. So you got to get good at just saying, hey, little ego gremlin, I hear you. Thank you for trying to protect me. Go in the corner.

I got this 100%. So the. My favorite reminder with ego is ego is easing God out. And where it's again, like. And this is why, like, the. You know, that God or whatever, you know, whatever your belief is important, or my biggest. If not, like, then it's all about me, you know, and it's not like that person who looked miserable or whatever could be having a terrible day. They could also just hate me. And that's fine, too. Like, that's okay. But. So it's just. And I say these things sometimes just to remember mind myself, because if I don't and if I don't have conversations like this, then I get stuck in the same. Thinking the same thoughts.

Yeah. And I've been. I've been writing a lot lately, and one of the posts I put up was about depression, how I feel like depression in my life has been a choice. Like, I don't have a functionally disabled brain. I don't have anything that's, like, really screwed up. So I was able to cure my depression. And I think a lot of people, you know, maybe there's a small percentage that. That really can't and they need some sort of intervention. But I think a lot of people just buy the story of, oh, you're depressed. You need to take these pills, and that screws up more people than anything because they've abdicated responsibility for their state and what's going on. So I wrote this whole post about it, and I gave people actionable tips, and it went crazy. Like, thousands of people read it. I got all these emails is awesome. And, like, 99.9% of it was super great, actually. One lady's like, you saved my life. Like, I read this today, and I was thinking about killing myself, and you saved my life. I'm like, wow, that's awesome. And then you get one email about how I'm a horrible person, I'm totally disrespectful, and blah, blah, blah. Where does my mind go? Does it go to the 999 people that are perfectly happy with this post and I saved one life, or did it go to the one person who decided to be butthurt about it?

Oh, 100%. Yeah. I was waiting for the butt.

So it goes to the butthurt, right. And I'm like, how can I just not focus on that? You know, I just let that go, and I just catch myself getting caught up in it all the time. It never stops happening. But I know how absurd it is.

Now, and I think that's the difference. And I don't think. I think it's just for me, at least with all this stuff, it's just that the perspective. So, like, the time. The time of suffering and that. Be that suffering, like, focusing on that is, you know, suffering, or the time that I'm gonna allow myself to do that, it gets shorter and shorter and shorter, you know, so for all these different things and, like, perspective is just such an amazing thing, because then you remember, like, all right, how would I have handled this a year ago or five years ago or 10 years ago? You know, and then, like, that stuff, like, remembering that, for me, is so important, and having people close to you in your life that can, like, point that stuff out is so important. That's why you talk about, like, masterminds or, you know, having people, like, so that they can remind you. Because we don't. We don't want to focus on that. We don't want to realize how much it's hard for us to see our own progress sometimes.

Yeah. So, Chris, I just want to say I'm really grateful for the reflection because I think I needed this conversation today, too. It's been a lot of stuff and launches and everything. I know you got a million things going on.

Yeah.

Let's talk about some of the Million things. Because ultimately you got some cool projects that I want people to know about and you're helping a lot of people in the world. So. So let's kind of start with, you know, first and foremost you're working on the unfair Advantage. You know, you got Todd and Scott and a few really great people. Can you tell us a little bit more about that event?

Yeah, sure. So the term unfair advantage came from actually my mastermind that I'm in with Todd Herman and Jonathan Fields and Ryan Lee, we call it the dad mastermind. We all have kids and we all do similar things and they, we were in that about a year ago talking. Each person gets a half hour everyone feedback. And they said to me they're like alright, enough focusing so much on like the personal development stuff and productivity because I have a business around that like you have to teach people how to do what you do. Because for us when we describe you, we call you our unfair advantage. And I was like, so explain what you mean. I'm very good about hearing feedback and now this is a big thing in my life but implementing on that with people I trust and they're like, well, with relationships or with just figuring out how to get stuff done so quick or get media coverage or all these things. And a big part of that is because that's what I've always invested. Just like you invested lots of time and resources in myself and relationships. So with the unfair Advantage, what it is is it's a two day event here in New York City and the reason I do it in New York City is because that's where all the media is. It's also why I live here and I teach people how to figure out their message, how to also pitch but really how to have confidence to know that what you're doing needs to be heard. And I think so. A lot of people come thinking it's for just the media connections or just how to get their message out there. But so much of it is and just like, you know, with all this stuff it's the mindset side. So coming and realizing and finding out that influencers and super successful people in media, they're regular people and they need you as much as you need them and you know that they're just normal and that you many times it's not about having the best pitch or the slickest delivery or anything like that. It's about being a real person and doing what we're doing now and having a real conversation and really talking and figuring out how you can help people. So What I do is I bring in all these different experts and things like that. But then at night I have a party where I bring in like 30, 40 top people in the media. Like people that are impossible to get in touch with and like editors from Entrepreneur Inc. And all producers from Dr. All these different things. And people talk to me. They have real conversations and amazing stuff happens every single time. And then the next day I teach you how to then leverage all that stuff. Like you mentioned Scott Oldford. He'll be coming. Scott and I used to work together. We're working in a different way now. But you know, he's so good about leveraging media and making a lot of money from the media because you can.

Get all that attention. If it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, it's over.

Right, exactly. So how to leverage all that stuff? So it's just amazing. Such a great, amazing group of people that since everyone has been hand selected, like, you can't just buy a ticket. So. Yeah, that. It's one of my favorite things that I'm. That I'm doing.

What are the dates, Chris?

That's February 7th and February 7th and 8th.

Right on. And that's in New York City.

Yep.

We got our launch engine on the, on the, on the fourth. I don't know if I have to hop on a plane and come hang.

Out with you guys. Amazing.

Yeah, super fun. We'll connect about that offline.

Yep.

So, all right, so you got that, you got the book coming up. When's that due to be released? Or do you have a date?

So that's like under the radar. That will be, you know, you gotta.

You gotta call your show now. Marvel's Land. Let's do it.

That's about two years down the line, so. And yeah, that's the, that's the other. That's the focus. And doing more and more tv. So I really enjoy doing tv. Just been doing lots of interviews, just spreading this message. Here's the big thing that I believe is that we. And why I feel so, like, passionate about what I do. We live in such a connected world with so many disconnected people and social media fools us into thinking that we are all so connected. And you know, no matter what, as honest as somebody is, just like we're saying, you're still seeing their highlight reel and, you know, you're seeing the best parts of their life. And I just, from talking and having real conversations like this with people, I know that, you know, what I'm seeing is not the real thing. I Know, even with me. And I try to share a lot of the ups and downs, but there's way more ups than downs that I'm sharing and just how it is. Because if I know, who cares about, like, no one wants to hear be around that depressed person all the time. But so I just believe so much that relationships and I know what it did for me, meaning and continuing to meet with at least one new person every single day. It's like, I don't even know it's close to 2,000 people or something like that at this point. But, you know, and just making that an effort or making that a commitment to myself and being accountable and how much that changed my life. Not just from the connections and what that can do, but also from the insight into hearing, like, sitting down with a guy who's worth, you know, a few billion and hearing him say how, you know, he's miserable or, you know, or, you know, same thing, and saying, like, I'm happy because even though I have fear, I push through it. Or it's just all these different things or just all, you know, how it goes. It's just like having real conversations, getting to really know somebody. It just allows you to think about yourself so much different. And it also allows you to. For me, it tears down all these limiting beliefs because I didn't grow up with money. So I had all these different beliefs about people with money and this, and then I got money and it didn't magically cure me or anything. And, you know, so, like, constantly, though, like, especially I'm in New York, I'm in, you know, where I am the most is, like, around lots of very, very successful people that are real people. That is such an important thing to know because it just changes everything. And that's like the thing that try to get across to people about the power of just connection.

So I have a question. So we know a few really big super connectors in common. You know, Dan and Jason and Todd and, you know, who are some of the ones that you look up to the most? Like, who are the people you know, Like, Dave Meltzer is a great example in the sports world of a mentor of mine that just gets it and he's aligned and all these beautiful things. I'd love to hear more about those types of folks and who you really look up to in the super connector world.

So most. It's interesting. So most of the people that I look up to and am influenced the most by are all dead. And what I mean by that is the people that like, Honestly, really change my life are Wallace D. Wattles, Dr. Joseph Murphy, Florence Scobelshin and Neville Goddard. And I say that and not in a. You know, not taking anything away from anyone because I learned so much from people. But. And even here's the crazy part. So I was also brought up Catholic. I hated church. I hated the Bible. Anything. Like the stuff that's in. All the stuff was in the Bible. Like, Jesus said everything. Like, because. And I only learn about that from these other books or, you know, from like with the Buddha or any of these things. Like, it's unbelievable. So it's like, those are. It's really weird because I did. I've been doing a bunch of interviews because it's National Mentor Month. And I say that a lot. Like, my biggest mentors are. I've never met, I never will. They're dead.

Chapters close to, like, you know, the ones that are alive. The chapters aren't over yet. They might turn out. They like, you know, started touching people or something. It comes out every day in the news. Every time I stop watching news for a month, I come back and three of my favorite actors are off the air. What's happening?

That's. That's part of it. Is then, you know, because I have a chance to also meet.

It's safe to. Yeah. It's safe to like Wallace D. Waddles.

Because he's dead. I know. Exactly. And there's never been anything like, even Napoleon Hill. There's like somewhat controversy whether.

Yeah. Now they're all saying he's a weirdo.

And it's like, luckily he was never one of my ultimate favorite. And I have no idea if he was real. Whatever. But we don't know.

Right.

It's long for me, so I couldn't get into it.

Honestly. Everybody says, think and grow rich. I've read it nine times. I've read it once. And I'm like, okay. Desire. Got it. I understand.

Exactly.

Thanks.

So it's just interesting. Like, that's for me.

You know, we should. We should work on a book together. You ready?

Yeah.

Bible 2.0. Updated, expanded, revised with more Yahweh.

I love it.

More fire and brimstone. King James did it. Why not us?

The Bible 2.0.

We got.

We got this Winfield heart. Yeah. Hart Winfield. Yeah. I love it. So here's the thing, though, and I'm curious. One of the things I want to ask you are some of the books that had. Because books. I read a chapter of a book every morning because I always wanted to read More. And I never would do it because I'd be like, I'd sit down. You have the list?

Oh, I got them all. Yeah. Well, I'm reading a lot about cryptocurrency and trading and getting up on that because we launched the course.

Yeah.

I've been helping people with basic trading stuff. This book I love. Yep.

I have it.

Principles by Ray Dalio.

Yep.

Over here on the shelf. Mindset. Carol Dweck, who you know, Todd is a big geek. On. He's got your stuff and all that. Less safe investment by my friends Brian and Michael. Brian Callan and Michael. I'm sorry. Michael Ellsberg. Rather captivate by Vanessa Van Edwards. Like, if you want to take somebody who was a complete introvert and just learn to crush it. Like the stuff that natural extroverts do unconsciously, they don't even realize they're doing it. That she studied to the point where she's like, I've got this geeky behavior lab and figured all these pieces out. Now you can learn, too. That was a brilliant book for me. Really incredible questions from that too. There's an amazing book over here called Integrity selling for the 21st century, if you're into sales. That's a really great book by Ron. Fantastic book. Of course, Anything by Tony Robbins. I'm a huge Tony Robbins fan. I've actually, for fiction, I've been reading this book series that was recommended to me by Tucker Max over at Book in a box. Colleen McCullough. The first man in Rome series. There's five of them. They're all thousand pages long. I've been through one and a third of them now. I started reading them around Thanksgiving, and I'm just. I'm so geeking out on this because it's just a completely different era and it's all fiction, but it's based so close in reality, and the details are just perfect. It brings Rome and Roman life to Life. It's Colleen McCullough. The books of the first man in Rome series.

I'll tell you mine. All right, so Wallace D. Wallace. So the science of getting Rich. That book literally changed my life. And it's not just talking about rich from a money standpoint, but so leading a rich life. So that was 1910, I think 1926 was the game of life and how to play it. Florence Scovelshin. So I've recommended that book a lot recently because I reread it and I recommend it to my friend Nick Onkin. You probably know Nick. Nick's like a Celebrity photographer, like Justin Bieber's photographer and Usher and Lewis, all these different people. And he just texted, I recommend him like a week ago. And he's like, I just finished reading it for the second time. It's like it's changing my life. And then the power of your subconscious mind by Dr. Joseph Murphy is just unbelievable. Oh my God. I've read all that guy's books and anything by Neville Goddard is just amazing. Oh my God. The Magic of thinking big by David Schwartz. And also the only. And actually I'm now we're friends. But his book, when I first read it about five years ago, choose yourself by James Altucher, had a huge impact on my life. And especially the stuff about the daily practice and having like a strong routine, which is a lot of that also, you know, can be traced back to like Wallace D. Wattles, which is James, actually how I found Wallace D. Wattles. So those books though, I mean, honestly, like you read those books, your life will be completely different. It's unreal. And I say that with no hesitation. If you're just open to it, yeah, it's amazing.

And I appreciate those recommendations. I wish I had more time to read than I do. But I also like you. I spend at least 30 minutes a day. I'd rather skip a meal, which I do. I don't eat breakfast anymore. I haven't eaten breakfast in five years. Very few exceptions. But I fast most days. And yeah, I just spend the first little bit reading. Right. Readers to read, skip a meal, don't skip reading. And it just puts my mind in a different state. It takes me out of whatever's bouncing around and it puts on paper. I also like to write in journal in the morning. If I just even write a one page down by hand. It just takes so much stuff out of your head. Puts it on paper, gets it out. It's like just clearing the decks for the deck.

I write to the, you know, the morning pages. Right. So Julia Cameron. So I've been doing that and actually it just, it's. She calls it the monkey mind, you know, getting the. Or the gear inner critic. I don't know if she calls it the monkey whatever, but it's three writing three pages out. Yeah. So but many times it just won or I'll just write out how I want my day to go.

So Chris, I know we got to keep it tight on this interview. I want to be respectful of your time, but I do want to wrap this up in a way that I never tell anybody I'm going To do this. Before we get on the show, we talk about seeds and crops. And crops is an acronym. You've been so generous with sharing your time and your resources with us. What are some ways that we can help you move your mission forward faster? The way we do that is we connect and catalyze resources, opportunities, people, and that's the crops mentality. And how can we do that for you?

Yeah, I love that. I think the biggest would be. I love. I'm really the only social media that I like is Facebook, my personal Facebook. And it just Chris Winfield. C H R I S W I N F I L D and I'm very active there in. But not active in a way of just like pushing stuff out and, you know, but really building relationships. And one of the things that I. My team had challenged me to do a Facebook live every day for 30 days. And I started doing it and I was like, you know what? After day two, I'm like, I'm just gonna do it for the rest of the year. And I've been doing that every single day. It's only been 14 days, but I'm gonna do it for the rest of the year. And it's been extremely inconvenient and it's been extreme amazing. And what I mean is, like, how much travel I was doing, like right when I started this. So I did like a couple from the air, like having zero time or like doing. But I've been doing it. And so I would love to connect with any of your tribe and have them just get involved and join me on Facebook.

Yeah. So check out Chris Winfield is just Chris Winfield. Facebook.com Chris Winfield. Yep. Okay. Right on. Go to. Go check out Chris on Facebook. Connect to them. Say what's up? If you're in New York and you want to check out his event. Is there a page for the event?

Yeah, it's events.chriswinfield.com right on.

And that's the unfair advantage event. There's gonna be some amazing heavy hitters from publishing media. Go with a giving heart and hopefully you'll get in because it's apparently, you know, small events. And the best event I went to last year is actually really small too. Adam Borenstein, he did 212. Adam and Jordan are just incredible. They're like the powerhouses behind Tim Ferriss and a bunch of the really great guys.

Yeah, okay, I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

212 is awesome. I had a blast at it. And I've been talking about some other stuff too, so. Cool. So yeah. People can reach out to you on Facebook. You got your website, Chris winfield.com go to events.chriswinfield.com if you go and check out that Chris, you're awesome, man. I really appreciate the candid convo and I'm glad that we both could light up the world just a little bit more today.

This was awesome. Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it and just feel more energized. Even more so after talking to you. I'm so glad we connect and I know it's just the start.

Yes sir. I can't wait to have you back on the show. Talk soon.

Thanks.

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