Make More Marbles Podcast with guest Tri Nguyen - The POWER of Good Leadership

Foreign. Make more marbles. My name is Brad Hart, and today I have the distinct pleasure of welcoming a very special guest. She has been a corporate maven for many years. She worked in Fortune 500 companies and HR professional for a long time. I'm probably going to get reported to HR on this podcast, but luckily she's not there anymore. She has a wonderful new business that she's been running for the last few years out of COVID which a lot of people make change in Covid. She has a leadership program called Tree Wisdom, and we're very, very excited to have her on the show today. Tree Nguyen. Hi, Tree. How are you?

Hi, Brad. I'm doing well. How are you today?

Doing good. I'm always excited to talk to folks from California. You're out in Huntington beach, is that correct?

Absolutely, yes.

Wonderful. And well, we were connected through my fiance, Jasmine, who, as we both know, has a wonderful course creation agency, and she was one of my clients. I had to fire her because, you know, hashtag integrity. I didn't want to get reported to hr, so. So that's how we got together. And then you and I just got connected by Jasmine. We don't know a whole lot about each other, so we caught up a little bit before this call, and I'd love to do this podcast and just kind of get to know you a little bit better. And this is me learning about you for the first time. So I'm very excited to do that and to hear all about your incredible win so far and what you're working on. So give us a little bit of background that got you where you're at, and let's do that.

Okay. Thank you for teeing it up, and thank you for having me, everybody. You know, I started like anybody else in the corporate world, landed in human resources after probably 10 tries in college of different careers, finally ended up in hr. But I think I had the best training because I started my career with Johnson and Johnson, and this was right after the Tylenol scare, so there was no such a lot of companies, there was no such thing as Six Sigma, but we learned the Six Sigma because JJ implemented then. So I attribute my experience and everything about me today back to that time, because it really opened up my mind, my mindset, my everything about my leadership. And so that set me on to staying in HR for a while. 26 years, to be exact. And prior to becoming a coach and a Vistage chair, I was in human resources, did everything. And then now, you know, I love what I do. Being a visage chair, being a coach. And then, you know, with the launch of my program, it's been really exciting.

Yeah, that's Wonderful. And over 26 years, I'm sure you learned a lot. So the Tylenol thing would have happened in the 90s or early 2000s, somewhere in there.

Early 80s. It was in the mid-80s.

Oh, 80s. Oh, my Lord. So that's. I was born in the mid-80s, so 37 years ago, roughly.

Yeah, I'm really dating myself.

So that's interesting because, like, I remember that happening in my lifetime for some reason. Maybe it was another thing similar to that, like Advil or something's going to kill you. Like everything's going to. Going to save your life and then kill you. Alternatively, like, eggs are great. Eggs are. Are the devil. And then, you know, butter and then this and then oils and then that. You know how it goes. So that's really interesting. So what were some of the biggest leadership lessons you gained working with Johnson and Johnson and seeing Sig Sigma, which now is kind of a household name, come out of the. Out of that?

Yeah, well, first it wasn't called Six Sigma back then. It was actually Kaizen. So that's even further dating. Myself, I learned so much about leadership and, you know, I learned what to do. To do. And most of, for the most part, it was more what not to do. And I. I don't mean this as a disrespect for any leaders out there, but the corporate world operated. And back then in the mid-80s and early 90s, there were not a lot of women in the workplace. Women were starting to enter the workforce, and women were also starting to take on leadership positions. There weren't that many. And so there were a lot of things that. Around the glass ceiling and really that integration was a change for both male and female. So what I learned, the biggest leadership lesson, really was about integrating the need for both the masculine and feminine energy in leadership. I feel like prior to, and thus far I get, I would say probably maybe of late, before 2000, there were just a lot of misconception about what true leadership is about. And for a lot of women who are trying to play in quote, unquote, a man's world, it was very difficult for them to really be who they are and really live from their true gifts and talents. So I feel like what leadership's about is a combination of both male and female, but also three distinct components, which I think has been something that's kind of missing for a while. And this is something Jasmine and I really worked together on, you know, we. I felt that leadership had been about iq, which is definitely execution and productivity. No doubt that's necessary because that's how we make money. Right? And then EQ came along in the mid-90s, which was amazing because for the first time, someone quantified and said, actually, I know who it is. I can't think of his name right now, but he quantified Goldman. There you go, quantified. And he said, basically, EQ is even more important, or at least equally important. Well, I feel that both of those attributes are very important, but I also feel that there's something missing. And the biggest missing link I feel is what I call MQ or mentorship quotient. And mentorship quotient is really about being the leader that others want to follow and passing on your knowledge and guiding the next generation of leaders.

Oh, I love that. And, you know, my background is in masterminds, and that's basically a lot of mentorship and guidance and peer accountability and all that. So I think that's definitely the missing link. And it's so funny. Like, you could look at a problem for 20 years and not see that piece missing. And you might separate in your brain. You might have, like a scotoma where you're like, oh, I see leadership being IQ and EQ over here. And then I see mentorship really as really important thing. But it's a separate thing. But the reality is mentorship is a part of leadership, and it just takes somebody like you yourself to come along and be like, oh, yeah, these actually fit in the same puzzle box to make it really known to people. So how is that breakthrough shifted your perspective as well as the way you teach and mentor and serve others?

Well, it's a great question. You know, when I embarked on this, I had no idea to even call it mq. I just knew it was something missing. As I worked and developed my leadership program. I put it, you know, when I left corporate or when I left my last employment job in 2015 and embarking on this journey in leadership and leadership development, working with leaders at the C suite level, I didn't know what to call it. All I could see was, there's something missing here. But I just didn't know what to call it. So I put around, you know, worked on my leadership, felt that there was a lot of, you know, stuff about the inside, what I call the leader, leading from the inside. Because leaders need to be who they are and who they want to follow first before they can lead other People. So that was always the way I felt like leadership was missing. Well then as I embark further and try to teach people how to really step into their authentic gifts and their higher self and their greater perspective, tapping into a deeper sense of knowingness from a leadership perspective, that was when I realized I had the breakthrough, probably around 2019 when I founded the Wisdom Tree and was still putting all the piece of puzzle pieces together. And it kind of took shape, you know, right around after Covid. I just had this epiphany one day I woke up and go, you know, I really want to create a life where I don't have to work as hard, but I want to do it. Create a life where I can reach so many people. And the only way to do that was to have that scalability piece, which was to do it through an E learning format. And that took another shape. And then one day I was meditating on this iq, EQ and this piece that I don't know what to call. And then someone said, a friend of mine said something about the need for mentorship. I'm like, oh my God, you just took. That's it, it's mq. So that was how I came up and I coined the term mentorship quotient.

That's beautiful. Okay, so you went for bigger impact scalability. You wanted to, you know, not be in that corporate world anymore. I've never been in the corporate world. I've been in very small businesses, medium sized organizations. What would you say? Some of the. It's not all bad. Right? There's certainly lessons that you maybe didn't realize at the time, but like have, have helped set you up for success because a lot of people have either that get into business, they really tend to struggle because it requires you to think in different ways. You know, you trade one job for seven jobs. In a lot of cases you don't realize you're doing that, but that's what you're doing. Especially at first. You, you know, maybe we're a cog and a wheel on the bigger machine. Now you're the whole machine. So you're, you're stuck on that. A lot of people don't realize just all that takes to actually run a corporation or business, you know, and just keep all that straight. So like what are some of the things that you learned in let's say Johnson Johnson, some of the other Fortune 500s you worked with that actually do translate to the startup and medium sized business?

Yeah, so definitely of all three key things that come to mind, number one, is the need for continuous improvement. You know, that was honed in when I was at J and JJ. And so JJ was always looking at reinventing itself. And so I think that translates to continuous improvement from a leadership perspective. And a lot of people, and you've probably heard this terminology, leaders strive to be the best versions of themselves. Because who we are today, if we don't continue to change and reinvent ourselves, then we're not going to be the best versions of ourselves and eventually we'll become stagnant and obsolete. So I think continuous improvement is one of the biggest lessons that I learned. The second, I think I didn't learn this in corporate because I think in corporate America and I don't want to badmouth corporate America because I think there are a lot of great things about corporate America. America because you know, you certainly have a lot of resources, you have a lot of people. You, you learn a lot, right? Because they, corporations have a lot of resources to put in for development. And which is what I appreciate. That's the second thing is continuous development, not only for yourself, but for your employees and your product and your services. You have to continue to, to develop and refine and always find that next S curve, whatever that next thing is in your field, in your service.

Let's break down what an S curve is for people that don't know that at all.

Well, the S curve, if you think about the, the, the, the curve, it looks like an S. Right. When you start off, it's the, the way companies grow. So you start off a startup and then maybe you, you know, you dip a little bit and then eventually you grow and then you get to maturity at the top of the S. Right?

At the top, yeah.

Yes. If you don't reinvent, you go into decline. Okay, but that's, that's the reference into, you know, looking for a next S curve. And I think that's the key companies that didn't continue to invent itself. You know, there are a lot of companies that you, that maybe you once heard of when you were younger, Brad and that are not in business anymore. Sears. Right.

It's only going to go faster, honestly, with the way daos are coming about. I mean think about a top down organization. The only advantage they have is money really at the end of the day now like a dao of 10,000 people working incentivized, under the same structure around the world can spin up a billion dollar line of business in a few days, few months, a few weeks. It's like crazy how fast things can happen. And look at what Uniswap and AAVE and Curve have done on the blockchain, which is nuts. Like you couldn't do that at a corporation. You couldn't innovate that fast, especially with regulations.

Right, right. And look, you know, not to look how quickly we innovated during COVID The potential is there. Right. But here's the thing in corporate America is that sometimes the. It's like turning the Titanic. It doesn't have to.

Yeah, that's. That's a great analogy. Yeah, it's like a speedboat versus the Titanic.

Exactly, exactly. However it can be done. And I think it starts with really. And this is the space I play in which is continuing to develop and hone in your people because those are the people without people, you. They can innovate. And the, the development for people both in the eq, IQ and MQ space that actually can accelerate. It needs to accelerate outpace the physical growth or the fiscal growth of the organization. Otherwise you're going to go into obsolete.

I like that. That. Okay, so what have been the lessons so far? You started your business literally before the whole world changed.

Yep.

And were you already getting traction? Were you still figuring it out? How long did it take you to get traction? What's been your experience so far? What are your big lessons so far? I would just like to hear how the last four years have been for you.

Well, everything that I just told you I experienced because here's what happened in 19. When I founded my company and put together my leadership program, it was still delivered in a brick and mortar perspective. Not online, not virtual like now. And so going into 2020, I actually had two contracts. And those two contracts alone I had just started, we're talking like six months in. And I had gained two contracts. And those two contracts were worth about half a million dollars. Okay. And so I was going to go in 2020 looking pretty. And then of course, we all know what changed March of 2020.

What changed? Tree. What changed?

Right, exactly. So that was like, oh, you know, the four letter word, whatever one you want to fill in there. And so as a single mom, it was like, okay, now what do I do now? My vistage and coaching clients, we obviously adapted to Zoom. Okay. But this piece that was so passionate for me came to a complete halt. And I just, it. I spent a few months just really in the blues down in the dumps and going, what next? And then I start reframing, I start looking at, okay, how can this be a gift? Because everything happens For a reason. I might not like it, but obviously, whatever it is, how do I make lemons? Lemonades out of lemons. Right. And so I spent probably about a year honing in my skills, honing in my coaching because I knew I had a vision, I want it to reach the greater audience, but I didn't know about the online and E learning world. And so I honed in my craft, continue to fine tune my material, and then, you know, really kicked it off in 2021. And what I learned really is what I just shared with you is that number one, you can't do it alone. Right. You mentioned in corporate or in business, in even small to mid sized businesses, there's a team that you can delegate to, but when you're starting off by yourself, you're it. You know, I, my old boss used to say it's a fine line between the person that signs the checks and the person that plugs the toilet. And literally, when you are running your own business, that's exactly what it is. You're everything.

You just described my morning. I signed the check, I plug the toilet, then I call somebody, unplug the toilet, the whole thing.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then, you know, you gain some traction and you start to delegate and you can start to put, you know, money back into the business. Bootstrapping it is one of the toughest things. It's a, it's a, it's a way for you to really test your resilience, test your patience. It's truly the. Those motivational speakers that say, you know, obstacles are put in your place to see how much you want something. I literally have to knock down some brick walls to be able to get to where I am today. And I mean, like, you know, I love Jasmine dearly because it was when I met Jasmine, because I was having, I was struggling, like kind of pulling it together in the right format for the E Learning format. And man, Jasmine did wonders for me.

She's incredible.

She is, she's amazing.

And people might think, oh, it's product, it's not that important. You got to market, you got to sell. But like, when you're really confident in your product, your marketing and sales, even though nobody else can see it right away, you feel more confident and your marketing and selling gets better, you get more persuasive, you get more influential, you get more, you step up in your leadership because you know you have something really great versus if you're kind of like, you know, subconsciously wonky about your product and you don't know if it's really great, yet you don't know if it's really polished, you might hold back, you know, you might pull back a little bit. So, yeah.

And you know, to that point, shout out to Jasmine, because even though I had so much stuff, like we're talking 30 years of leadership stuff, right. And stuff that I developed long time ago and stuff I developed recently, but I couldn't pull it all together. And Jasmine helped me. And then that really boosted my confidence. It was like after, you know, a morning with her, I'm like, oh, my God, I can really do this.

Yeah. You know, when you, you strip away all that stuff, it's you and the camera and the people you just sold into this thing. And that's like, it requires a little bit of a mental magic trick to get yourself to do it. So I'm really grateful that you two found each other. And I mean, Jasmine does some incredible work. I mean, I show people this workbook all the time. It's like 160 some page workbook. We have an award winning program and this is even her best work. Like, she's gotten way better since she did this. So I'm always blown away by the quality of what she can do.

Oh, yeah, I will. I will say something. I'll have a team, of course. Not just her, but yeah, yeah, I appreciate. I mean, I can have a vision of something and then she'll like, kind of like, you know, do a mock up of it and then the team comes back with something so amazing, it's like, oh, my gosh. Yes. It's even better than I. What I had imagined.

Well, it's beautiful. Well, thank you for sharing that. And I'm loving these little leadership nuggets. Now, when you left your job, I would imagine you've been in corporate for a while, you had some money saved, you had some Runway. So how was that experience? Or I don't know. I don't want to assume. But how is that experience I'm assuming compared to like the Buddha bootstrap startup? Like, do you consider yourself a more risky person? Are you more risk averse? Like, how did you approach the whole, okay, my income is leaving me, and now how do I replace that? And like, how's that been for you so far?

Oh, my gosh. It was really a test of faith, I'll tell you that. Because when I was in corporate America, I was making like, top of. I was at the top of the food chain. I was an executive vp. I had all the perks, all the bonuses.

So what does that mean, just for people who don't know, like myself? I don't. I don't really get what that means is that like, 100 grand is a 500 grand. Where are we at?

No, my total compensation was 300,000.

Okay, got it.

Okay. But I was also a single mom, and I had gone through a major solid salary. It was really. I mean, it was. I mean, you can really do. You can really earn a really great living. Right. And I had a great living. That's on top of all the other perks. Okay. But what I found was I wasn't happy. Right. And so I had to make a change. And when I made the change, it was on the heels of a divorce, on the heels of a. A contentious custody fight.

Yeah.

So. So financially, it impacted me.

Sure.

When I went off and. And really, like I said, was a test of faith, there was no more cushion, no more safety net. It was really me and really believing in me and really, really selling me, so to speak, which I had a tough time with.

Yeah.

Because I. That wasn't who I was. You know, I was just this. I hadn't really found my voice. So at the time, so. But, you know, bootstrapping it, you do learn a lot, too, because you learn to be resilient. You learn to. To rely on yourself. And again, it's a trust of faith because if it's too easy, everybody could do it. Right.

Right.

Yeah. So.

Well, on the other hand, if you knew how hard it was going to be, like, I've been an entrepreneur for a while now, like, coming on 20 years, give or take.

Wow.

If you. If you knew how hard it was going to be, you would never start.

Yeah.

I really feel like the universe is benevolent in the sense, like, it gives you just enough of a viewpoint of the future to where, like, you'll get in motion, but you won't want to quit. Because if you knew how hard it's going to be, how many ups and downs and how many times you'll have to reinvent yourself and how you'll have to keep growing, like, who you'll have to become, how hard that is, like, you just wouldn't do it.

Yes. And also, you know, here's the thing, and I touch on this in the course, is that there's the element of, you know, your left brain, logical thinking, and then the right brain or the creative brain or the, the part, the knowingness that. That you really tap into with the universe. And so in this journey, if I relied solely on my brain, you know, my brain was telling me I couldn't do it. The odds were against me, you know, and I was going to fail. And matter of fact, a lot of people told me that. But I was resilient, and I really meditated, prayed about it, really tapped, and the universe. You're right, gave me nuggets. You know, it was like Hansel and Gretel gave me little pieces of crumbs of bread.

That's all you need sometimes to keep going, and it's just staying in the game until you finally get to the wind. Because the winds come few and far between the big wins.

Yeah.

And the faith is, like, every day. It's constant.

Yes.

You know, so that's. That's been my experience anyway, and I'd love to hear how you feel about it, because, you know, we just had a huge event when we just had a huge, like, big, big win that just took, like, months and months and even years, if you really think about it, of, like, planning and. And when you start to connect all the little breadcrumbs and the dots going back, it's like, years in the making to have this one thing right, where now I can finally be like, oh, God, it finally paid off. And, like, it doesn't even feel real, you know?

Totally. Totally.

Now I gotta pull that same magic trick again in six months. You know.

You. You persevere. You focus on persevering, which is what's going to fuel you. Never to give up. Right. And secondly, the other thing I learned in this, and that's what kept me going to get to that big win, is to focus on how I want to help people versus focusing on the win. You know, focusing on the money or achieving 100. Yeah. So every day I got fueled by how many people I talked to, how many people I helped, how many of my coaching clients that said, oh, my gosh, it's transformative working with you.

Yeah. So maybe that should be qualified as, like, win equals help a lot of people have a lot of fun, make a lot of money. Not just one or. Or two or whatever.

Yeah. Or just not just make a lot of money. Right. Because that's just the longer win.

But that's just a scoreboard, you know.

Absolutely. The shorter wins are what can help fuel you, and that can get you just enough. And then along the way, it's just really a test of faith, trust, and just knocking down those brick walls to show how badly you want something.

Yeah. And there's this great show that just came out on Netflix called Beef did you check it out?

No, I don't ever watch tv.

Well, for, for those of us that do, it's this really wonderful thing where they. They study two people getting a road rage incident. Right. And it's a dramatization, Right. But it's like they. They end up being mirrors of each other and going through this crazy. They have like 47 different opportunities to get off of this crazy hate train that they're on with each other. And they just keep escalating, keep escalating, keeps getting worse, keeps getting worse. And eventually they're just so in it. And then they have this, this shift where it's like all this humanity comes to be and they start to see each other empathetically as basically different versions of themselves. And. And it's really wild. So it was a really, like a tour de force. And it's been on my mind a lot. And the reason I brought it up is because you just, you just never know where you're at in that general scheme of things. And you don't know how other people see you, and you don't know where you're going and you don't know kind of where all this is heading. But if you just like, you can get off the train at any time.

Yeah.

People get so caught up in the game of like, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I gotta do this. And they never just step back and be like, well, what is, what am I actually doing here? Am I actually going where I want to go? Or am I just. The path of hell is paved with good intentions or bad intentions. It's like if you, if you aim at the money, you're gonna miss every time. If you aim at the service, at the connection, at the gratitude, at the fun, at the whatever, you're probably going to end up with a lot more money.

Yeah, absolutely. I think I believe in doing well or doing good. And if you focus on service, the money will come. So. And if you focus on the money, not only will it not serve you, but it actually could deter you and it could actually backfire because then you get so beaten down because you expect the money to show up at a certain time and it doesn't.

Right.

And if that's your only scorecard, you're going to be in for Rudolph Awaken. And then, you know, you'll just get off the train and not do it anymore and just go back to playing it safe.

That's right. That's right. And. And that's it. Like I tell everybody, you know, there's only so much you can save before you're at zero. Constrict yourself and worry and you know, we have so many forces working against us right now. Inflation is record high. You know, things are getting more expensive. People's salaries aren't even close to keeping up. And as entrepreneurs, we have this ability to scale up, right?

Yes.

We don't have to wait for anybody else to tell us what we can earn. We have to provide that level of service. But we really, it's up to us, you know, if we're willing to do the work.

I think entrepreneurship is a great. It's a great. Sorry. Entrepreneurship is a great thing because you're absolutely right. The sky's the limit. You know, when I was in corporate America, even though I made good money, great money to a lot of people, I was capped. Right, right.

But there's no way you're making 3 million in that job. It just was.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. And now it's just relying on myself and knowing that I can create the magic and really trusting and for. In the guidance and, you know, growing from there.

That's the game. That's what keeps me coming back. And there's a conversation I have with people all the time is like, you can only save your way to zero. Your income's technically unlimited focus on that, you know, even versus investing. Like I'm an, I'm known as an investment guy and I've been managing investments a long time. I've been a hedge fund guy. People come to me for advice all time. My best investment advice is make more fucking money. You know, you can make a lot. You're going to do a lot better with 10 million a year coming in than 1 million coming in or a hundred thousand coming in. Even if you make a lot of mistakes. Investing.

Yeah.

Like, I have a friend right now who's. He's bringing in like a million a month after all his expenses.

That's great.

That's a big problem. Put a million dollars.

I think I want that problem, Brad.

It's a good problem, but it's like, it's a problem like, where do you put that money? Where it's like safe and well diversified and like, like there's only so many deals around. There's only so many managers. There's only so many funds, you know, like, where are you gonna put it all? Yeah, that becomes that, you know, you have issues either way. It's like decide which issues you want. I want those kind of issues.

Yeah, me too. You and me both.

But yeah, I'd rather have that problem then. Oh, I can't afford to live the way I want to live, you know?

Yep, yep.

So. All right, Tree, so tell us about your program. What's it about? How does it work? How can people find out more about it?

Okay, well, like I said, it's an E learning format. It's a leadership development program called True Leadership Courage, or tlc. It's about leading from the inside out. And what does that mean? I believe that leadership starts with you have to first have self leadership. And so a big part of the program is understanding who you are and what really makes you tick. Right? All your gifts, all your talents, maybe in a way that you might not have heard of in a traditional leadership program, because it's really going to push you out of your comfort zone. We talk about authentic self, we talk about egos, we talk about failure. We learn everything about looking at yourself from a holistic viewpoint. Because I believe that before you can lead other people effectively, you have to lead yourself effectively. I've been in so many other leadership programs where that's not the case, and I feel like this is the game changer for my program, is that people have to look at themselves and look at their powerful self and owning that powerful self first. And then we get into iq, which is how to better execute and really marrying what we call book smart and street smart. You know, book smart is being able to know what you're doing. Street smart is the ability to apply what you know to really creating results. So how to put those two together and, you know, living in this vuca world you talked about, you talk about the ever changing world. This is the world we live in. You know, everything is exponential at this point, whether it's inflation, whether it's growth, whichever side of the ledger you want to see it, everything is exponential and heightened. We got to keep up with that. And then the other port is mentorship quotient, which is how do you really, truly be a mentor? What does that mean? You said earlier it makes a lot of sense. Everything we talked about is about mentorship. But how do you really do it? So we, we go into that. How do you really lead and guide and mentor and more importantly, love the people that you work for? Because leadership really is about lovership as, like, as I call it, not just leadership. So it's really operating from that space and bringing together both, you know, the left side of the brain and the right side of brain. So the program is just that, you know, just a lot of stuff a Lot of inner work as well as well as outer work as I call it. It's both what I call the inner game, dealing with stuff inside your head as well as the stuff that how you act and show up, you know, in the best versions of yourself.

And who is it great for? Who would it not be a good fit for? Like who's your target person? That would be a really good leaders.

Who are really caring, who really want to create a culture where they value people. Not just profit, but people along with profit. You know, if you're really looking at execution, execution and really not looking at building a great corporate engaging culture, then this is not the program for you. This is one where you're willing to be vulnerable. You're willing allow your team to be vulnerable and really adopt a growth mindset in terms of failure, in terms of development, in terms of the way you look at things. So those are the kinds of leaders that I would love to work with. The program is a eight week eLearning where you can sign up, take the course and then take the course itself. Pace you can also along with the program you can join on Thursdays for live Q and A where you can be coached, ask questions, engage with your fellow participants and then you have access to the whole module and all the workbooks for life.

Great.

So yeah.

And where can people go to learn more about it? Where's the website?

Okay, they can go to the Wisdom Tree and it's my name T R. I'll play on my name there. So the wisdomandtree.com okay, they can see a little bit about the program. They can click on the let's chat and they can book a call with me and we can chat or they can download the syllabus and take a peek into the program and then, you know, give me a call, book a time with me. I'm happy to share more and learn more about what companies may be looking for and how I can help them.

That's perfect. Okay, so the wisdomtreetri.com and that's go to the let's Chat, grab a time on Trees calendar and see if it'd be a great fit as well as the syllabus and all that great stuff and I'm sure you have other content whatnot on the site. That's wonderful Tree. Thank you so much for everything. Any parting words for the folks at home that you'd like to leave them with? Death.

Well, you know what, in the spirit of Easter, since today's Easter Monday, by.

The way, I saw the Easter Bunny Twice.

You did. What's that?

There's a bunny outside my house that's like, oh, you around my house? And he's now the Easter Bunny. Because I saw.

You literally saw.

I was really happy.

Wow, wow, wow. I'm envious. I haven't been outside yet today, so.

I'm a few little Easter eggs around, too. They're brown and didn't look like candy, but, you know.

Well, one final word of wisdom. First off, thank you, Brad, for having me. Thank you to the audience for taking the time. Love to hear from you. And one last thing is in the spirit of Easter is Easter is about awakening, right? It's about a rebirth. And I believe that we've been through so much the last three years. It's time for rebirth. It's time for new. The new part of ourselves to emerge. And I see that in leadership. I see that in everyone. And I encourage everyone to really tap in and look at what is it, what is in them, who is in them that they can bring forth more of and be of service to others, Their community, their family, their friends.

I love it. Really beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you everybody there for listening. All you marvel makers out there, is there any way we could support you, serve you? How can we add the most value to your life right now, Tree?

Oh, you know what? Send me good, positive vibes. I have a big mission to really reach a hundred thousand leaders by the year 2025. It coincides with 2025, coincides with 50 years of me being an immigrant from Vietnam. So, yeah, I know. Fifty years, long time. And so to me, it carries a. For me, it's about helping, being of service to others. And I feel like my place and my voice is in helping leaders find their voice. And so please, send me positive vibes and, you know, keep me in your thoughts and prayers.

Thank you so much, Tree. Really appreciate you and thank you for all the work you're doing in the world. Have a blessed day.

Thank you. Take care.

Bye.