Make More Marbles Podcast with guest Dan Mangena - Becoming Successful at a YOUNG age!

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My name is Brad Hart. Today we are here on the Make More Marbles podcast live with Mr. Dan Margina. Thank you so much, Dan, for having us as a guest and being here. And we're really excited. If you're watching live, hashtag live. If you're watching the replay, hashtag replay. We're going to be going into a few really cool topics today, specifically how Dan has built his business, being from the uk, living now in Dubai, traveling the world as a child. You know, all the things that happen in life that some people say, oh, it's because of that, that I can't be successful. He's found a lot of success regardless. He's got a really great story, and he's got some interesting takes on meditation and really motivating yourself to do what's best for you and, and your life. So without any further ado, Dan, welcome to the show.

What's up, man? A.B. hey there, man. Really excited to be here, getting to it and chopping it up and maybe having people come to my side of thinking with my controversial views. But we'll see.

Yeah. Hey, I love a good campfire controversy. I've had a few over the years. I don't seek them out, but it's.

Like it's always you.

Yeah, that's what you're out on the toilet that explodes eight hours. Like, oh, what is going on with this? So. So Dan and I know a few people in common. We're both or have been members of the Mavericks community, which is Yannick Silver's mastermind. Shout out to Yannick. And we also have a dear friend in common called Joel Irwe, who's the webinar agency. Really incredible man. So shout out to him and let's, let's dive right into it.

So.

So, Dan, tell us about a little bit of your story. Kind of give us the grounding up until now and the high points, and then we'll go from there and talk about some of the bits and pieces and pick them apart.

Sure. So I like to think of my life as a trilogy. And the way that the trilogy works for me, Brad, is I'm in book three right now, which started in February 2018. And then there was a section leading up to that that started around March 2008, and then everything leading into that. And so the first section, you know, I was able to get successful very young, which unfortunately is a blessing and a curse, because unless you know how to manage success and how to hold it, it's always going to go. And the more Young and arrogant you are, the more messy that is going to be. And it was very messy for me. I actually made a loss to multimillion pound fortunes by the age of 23. Now going into what became book two, coming off the back of the second loss, I was, I was really hit quite hard because up until then I had that arrogance of youth and I didn't actually understand that maybe some of these bumps in the road were caused to stop and check your tires and make sure you got gas and your oils. I didn't do that. I just sort of kept riding the car until it fell apart. And it fell apart in a way that didn't leave me any space to still hold the illusion that I knew everything, which is what it was. Up until that time I was reading books like Think and grow rich as 16 year old, studying psycho cybernetics in my teens, ordering tape from Nightingale Conan and you know, on junk mail lists and learning about, you know, marketing and stuff like that and was able to leverage those. But without having life experience, without having guidance on business and how structures and stuff work, it was always going to be a mess. And for me it was ended up having a business that didn't have the right licenses. Government shut me down. First I went off and set everything up again and then people came and stole everything because I tried to be clever and put things in people's names. So it ended up being a thing where I just didn't have any corners, my ego didn't have any corners to hide in and be like, hey, I still know everything and I'm still this genius that's got the reality of the universe worked out.

That wasn't my fault. I don't have to take responsibility.

The worst it was Brad, is that as an arrogant little twat that I was at the time, I made sure everybody knew that I knew everything about how the universe worked. So when it was evident that I didn't, I was caught in this really dark web where it's like my entire identity was had been built on being the guy that knew everything. That now had been shown quite drastically that I didn't know everything. And that left me in a really dark place of suicidal ideation. And it was actually that became the point of book two because book two was the whole course of events that led me into accidentally finding my way out of the shadows and darkness of suicidal ideation and actually working out how to make my life work whilst not trying to make it work. Because I didn't go into that next section like I'M going to fix my life and I'm going to get back on top and I'm going to be a better person and I'm going to improve. I went into I need to work out how to be less of a loser so that if I pull off a suicide attempt, I don't fail. Because at the moment I feel like such a loser, I'm going to fail. And that became book, Book two. And tail spinning out of book two into book three was sharing that journey and everything that led up to it with others. And that's what I've been doing since 2018.

So give us some years. You're born what year?

83.

Okay, 83. So a little bit older than me. So you're about 39 now, I want to say.

Yeah, 39.

So you had a lot of success at a very young age. Licensing and thefts, both empires crumbled very quickly. What niches were you in, just so I'm clear?

So my first business was we were cross niche, so we were doing import export, we're doing real estate development. I had a training company. Basically I, in my head I was like the head of my Dan Electric instead of General Electric. Like I had my little conglomerate with no experience.

At this point. So you're subject to UK law. You know, it's never the thing that you know that gets you. It's always the thing that you don't know.

That's the thing you don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

Or in my case, you're so arrogantly believing that you know everything that you don't even realize that there's something that you can't. That you don't know. That was even worse.

So yeah, and like you said, there's a container big enough for everybody's ego. And that's what you know, God, the universe, whatever we occupy is whatever you want to call this reality. It was so large that it encompassed all your failures and made you look them straight in the face and be like, oh crap, yeah, maybe I am such a loser I can't even kill myself right.

And that's where that's literally what went through my head is like, I can't do this and fail. The thought of doing that just didn't really work for me, which I'm so grateful for because that, that, that break of space gave me the chance to make the choice, to maybe think about the path I ended up on. And that path actually led me to still being here today.

I love that. And so now at almost 40 years old, what can you say, looking backwards about that journey, what would you say to that young man that might have put him on a better path before he had to make all these painful mistakes? Or did he have to just learn? Could he not?

Even if.

Even if you came back in the future and was like, yo, I'm you at 40. This is what you need to do differently, is that a possibility that he would have listened?

This is the thing, Brad. And part and parcel of that turning point that I had on 13th February, 2018 was actually recognizing that there was an infinite number of ways I could have got to the moment of what I'd experienced in that day. But I can't for certain guarantee that I would be the person that I was on that day to have that experience unless I'd gone through, I went through. And so up until that point that, that day, I was grateful for the improvements. I was great. I'm a better person now. You know, I'm, I'm. I'm much more humble. I'm able to channel the things that gave me that aggressively disgusting ego into positive things. Great relationship, family, all the things. But I wasn't really looking at the shadow side of it, too. But I've now found the transmutation point of the shadows of it also. And so I. I wouldn't want to go through it again, certainly, but. But I do recognize the importance of having gone through it in order to be the person that I am today.

Yeah, it's not so much that you're getting better as if you're more aware of the ways in which you are terminally fucked and honest about them and willing to get.

Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Like, I'm never going to be X or Y or Z, but I can balance that out with the help of others if I'm just willing to put my ego aside and do it. So. That's beautiful, man. So your lifestyle now is interesting. You know, you have. You live in Dubai, you've got a child. It doesn't imagine that, you know, you don't see very often because they're in different places. And tell me kind of about your family life. You work three, three days a week. Kind of give us a sense of what life looks like now, and we can connect the dots in between.

Sure. So I've been in Mexico since 2018. Just recently making the transition over to Dubai, literally was confirmed like three days ago, moving the family here.

Oh, congratulations.

I'm glad. Yeah. My son, my ex, is moving here now. So we're, we're that's what enabled me to make the firm choice. This is what we're going to be doing because I basically have been sort of in limbo because she wasn't sure where she wanted to live for the last three or four months. So I've kind of been in a holding pattern about what was going on with that. But we've made a decision on that now, so. So yeah, so I work three days a week. I've worked three days a week now pretty much for the last three or four years. Three years, Four years more. The last three years of things have really scaled and what we're building. I have most of my time spent on the personal development business. I do have entrepreneurial interests also. But this first half of the year has been really, really weird. We had a lot of challenges in the personal development business which we had to overcome. Joel has actually been instrumental in supporting us navigating that. So really grateful to him. And also, you know, communities, I mean like Mavericks, JVM 7. Shout out to Dove Gordon for that one as well. Yeah, but ordinarily this one has most of my time. A lot of other things, me and my brother and assisted living in the uk. We've also got construction business and you know, some other little interests that we've got in. They don't take as much of my time because generally I'm sort of dropping in with a bit of experience or some ideas or resources or whatever and then sort of stepping back. So my day to day businessing generally is in this business but it's been more focused on this one solely this year because we've had a lot of things to navigate.

Okay, so what's the picture look like now? So how many companies running, how do you manage it? Like give me a sense because this is the situation I find myself in too. So it's interesting personally is like I've got a lot of little seven figure things. I want to either build an eight or nine figure thing or start to acquire assets, whatever it's going to be. That's like get me out of this hamster wheel I found myself in, you know, and it's not a bad hamster wheel, but I understand it's still a hamster.

It's still hamster wheel. Yes. So the assisted living business, we've just literally secured a potential investor for $20 million to dump into. So we're doing the paperwork with them where, you know, getting the pitch deck and stuff. I've actually got a lunch on that on Thursday. So my brother and I really Believe that we can get that to, you know, 20, 20, 15, 20 million in sales. The EBITDA in that industry in the UK can go up to 9x depending on the size of the organization and some other, some other bits and pieces. So that's something that I'm putting energy into because it's something that, you know, next three to five years it could do more. I'm a very, very minority stakeholder in a hedge fund, very, very minority stakeholder out of Cayman. That one doesn't require much of my time and energy. I have to have meetings every now and then and do a couple of trips. But that mainly it's relationships I bring to the table on that one. So it doesn't really say much of my day to day, the coaching business. Based on the direction we're going now, it's really doing things like podcasts, writing for, I mean I write for Entrepreneur, I do some other content creation, the day to day operations. I have a couple of meetings with a couple of team members that do the operational, then rollout to the rest of the team. So that allows me to keep it under the 10 hours and I think for anyone that's thinking about, well, what do you do with the rest of your time? So for example, Fridays I dedicate to self care. I make sure I get to the spa most weeks. Make sure you shake off the week, keeps burnout at bay, allows you to have the mental and emotional resilience and also the physical space to be able to keep up with the high intensity work rate. Mondays I tend to do my work on my personal development. So if I'm on a course, any of the coaches I'm working with I'll be working with on a Monday. I'm developing my chess game at the moment, for example, so I work with my chess coach on a Monday as well. And then I can go balls to the wall Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and know that I've got the space to do that now when I'm in Mexico, weekends are dedicated purely to family time. Now that the family's moving here, that's going to be family time again, family and friends. Um, and I generally tend as well to make sure that I have when we're in the same times and the same place, time, quality time with my son every single day, regardless, specifically the hour before he goes to bed. That's kind of what life looks like and how I, how I run it. Creating the extra space by the way that I manage my time and outsource more and focus in my zone of Genius gives me more space to do what I enjoy and to pour more into that and also leverage the points are actually giving us more roi.

So a couple clarifying questions here for the assisted living. Are you assuming up assets, building them into a larger portfolio so you could flip them on a different.

That's what we'll do. Yeah, that's what we want to do.

So you definitely want to talk to Nick Bradley. I'll make that connection. He does that all the time. Awesome. He's also moving to Dubai. If you guys haven't connected, he's done five and change billion and those types of things. Like he's definitely. Yeah, I've got other folks like that, but he's the first and perfect fit. I think at least that would be good. And then additionally, I'm curious as far as your coaching business, how you're managing that. So is that one to one? Is that a group?

Is that.

Do you have courses, books, et cetera? Like how big is this value ladder? How much are you still looking to do with that?

So what we've actually done is we stripped it down to one core offer that we're working with that's got two price points, we've got a higher price point and then a lower price point. And then what I've actually done since the beginning of this year we've been rolling that out is all of my other smaller offers, even up to like a 3K program we had, we've wrapped into a membership and then we're going to let that tick away organically through the podcast and through the email list. So we're not going to be aggressively marketing that. We focus our attention on the higher ticket item that pumps change through and then that allows me to fund the stuff I want to do like creating content and having a team that's churning out content every day to help people. And then if people want to step up and maybe have a bit more engagement with us, then they can have full, you know, full belly value from the membership program, which is like $97 a month. Because for me, I didn't come into the personal development side to make money. It just happened that I was able to put into multi seven figure business. I really did come into it to help people. I walked away from the other business. I had to come and help people, but it happened to grow. But the thing that I believe has been really supportive for me in order to make that delineation between the business and the serving is keeping an eye on the fact that the more that a business makes, the more people it can help. So I can have a bigger team, I can put out more content, I can touch more lives. But I'm finding that tightening that down to the higher ticket offer, which I'm doing some of the delivery at the moment, because we're training out a team specifically to do the delivery within six months, I want them doing all of the delivery on it. And then the lower one doesn't have any coaching. It's all content with a blueprint that they can follow.

Okay, got it. So, yeah, you thought this out pretty well. I mean, our niche and we're working with.

We've worked with Joel on that.

Yeah. Our niche is really masterminds. That's what we do the best. And I found for your dollars, like, I've done everything from books to courses to low ticket to high ticket to masterminds to everything you think of affiliate. I've been all over this Internet marketing world and back and won awards, all kinds of cool shit. Worked with all my heroes, like, time and time again, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, masterminds are the best model in my opinion.

Wow.

So. So that's definitely something that I think, you know, if you get stuck on any of this and you're like, hey, how do I go from A to B? Like, I'd be happy to support. And that's really what it's all about, gang. Like, what we're doing in real time here is just a recorded conversation of what I always do with everybody. It's like, all right, what are you trying to get to? Where are you now? What's standing in your way? What gaps do you have? And then based on my expertise or the expertise that I know that my trusted circle has, you know, how can we get you connected to the right person to accelerate your progress and get where you want to go next? And none of it matters as far as, like, the who is so much easier than the how. Right. I can find you the right who. Who knows the how? It's all about the mindset of, like, will I take that opportunity? Will I invest time, money, whatever it is, to make it happen? And am I going to be my own worst enemy? So luckily, Dan and some other folks like myself, we've been beaten down enough with our ego to know, like, it's not about us. Like, if we focus on our petty bullshit, we don't expand, we don't grow, we don't become the person that we want to become. And this is like Tony Robbins 101. He talks about the six human needs, right? It's certainty, variety, love and connection and significance. Personality ones, right? But then the other two are like, you know, contribution and growth. And I'm just going to break this down for people because I think it's so important. It's like if you're focused on certainty, you won't get enough variety. If you're focused on variety, you won't get enough certainty. It's a paradox. Same thing with love and connection versus significance. You focus too much on look how important I am, you'll feel less connected and loved by and vice versa. If you're too lovey dovey, you won't feel significant, right? People will take advantage, people step all over you, people will steal from you, et cetera. So you have to have that balance. The only way to break this dichotomy, these back and forth, is to focus on growth and connection. Because if you just grow, growth without a purpose is cancer. Literally. That's the motto of cancer. And if you contribute, you very quickly become a martyr who has nothing, right? So you can't have one or the other. But if you focus on both, if you're always somebody who's growing and always somebody's contributing, what's going to happen? Well, are you going to feel certain that you can make anything happen? Absolutely. You're going to feel like you have variety in your life. Boy howdy, will you feel like you have some fucking variety Significant? Absolutely. Will you feel loved and connected to others? Absolutely. So by focusing on those two needs in tandem, you can shortcut this entire process. Right? That was the biggest distinction. It took me 15 events to get that. But I repeat it as often as possible now because it's like I felt like I found this for life, you know, or like repetition, repetition. Tony spent 40 plus years figuring out those pieces just so I could have that one distinction. And I'm so grateful that man for doing that and other reasons as well. But that specific thing has changed my life. So again, that was a long roundabout to get to. My next question, which is how do you feel about meditation? Why do you feel like it doesn't work and what do you do instead that gets you better results?

I do feel it does work. And this is one of the reasons why I worded my thoughts on that in the way that I did. Because it creates such controversy that people actually enter the conversation with me and give me the opportunity to say what I want to say, which is I don't say don't meditate and I don't say never Meditate. I say stop meditating. And I'll tell you a quick story. I wrote an article for Entrepreneur that spoke to this and entrepreneurial. They're very gracious. They would tweet me, you know, and.

Just a clarifying question there. Are you part of the leadership program? You have your own article. How does that work? Because I've done the leadership.

No, I. I write. I write as a contributor. Yeah, I. Just curious. Yeah, yeah. So. And people were in uproar, and I said, you know, did you actually read the article? Because I went in the DM on the tweet.

The answer is no, by the way.

No, they did it.

Never had it read the first paragraph, if you're lucky. They never.

Yeah, I never. And so I was just like, if you read it, you'd probably get it. Because it doesn't say I don't say don't. And for something to stop, it has to be an emotion. And my whole thing is, is that meditation or yoga or going to your temple, your mosque, your synagogue, or your whatever, your sacred place in the woods, without following through with taking care of your mindset without following through on that, and taking action is going nowhere. And far too many people spend all of their time designing their life but not doing anything about fixing their mindset so they can actually go out and achieve it and then taking some action to actually achieve it. They spend all their time building their vision board, but not actually executing on developing a mindset that can actually execute and then taking the action to execute. And so my call, my war cry is stop just meditating, which is I could have. I could have done. Would have been less controversial. Right? And start taking care of your mindset. Start taking some action. Meditation, I do at least twice a day. Right? Yoga, I do the thing. Right. I've got my mind moved, which is moving. Vision board. I do spiritual practices. I've got Palo Santo upstairs. I've got all of the things. But guess what? I spend several hundred thousands a year on my personal development. I've always got a coach. I'm always spending my time with smarter, richer, more experienced, more developed people than me. And I take action every single day towards my goals. So it's actually doing something versus me sitting around doing a vision board of me having a successful business, not actually making a single sale and wondering why I'm still broke or visualizing the perfect partner, but spending all of my time in front of the TV eating Cheetos and wondering why I'm still alone. And that's what that's all about.

Yeah, no, I love that. And, and that's such an important distinction is like everything that I've ever gone viral with was usually either misspelled or miscommunicated how I actually meant. And it became controversial because I made a mistake, but it ended up being that mistake that was like, is divine intervention in my opinion. Like I need to have that, that conversation reach a large, larger audience. Not for my benefit. I don't necessarily need or want anything out of it, but it becomes the benefit of all those people that are now thinking about this in a new way. And for the ones that are thoughtful and do read between the lines and do form a new opinion, it could change their life. I mean, you never know who's listening to this conversation right now, hearing us speak, watching us, whatever it is. Where they're like, oh shit, I never thought about it that way. They make that shift and now they're off on a new trajectory. And it's not like their life is changing tomorrow they're getting a million dollar check in the mail. No, but they're on a different path that in this multiverse possibilities is, is potentially more in line with where they want to end up. Right? And that's really it. Like, I'm not here to judge, and I'm sure you're not here to judge anybody's ultimate destination. We just want them to have one. Like that's if you just have one. Like so many people I talk to, they're not experiencing success. I'm just like, what do you want? And they're not clear. That's like the first step. If you're not clear on what the hell you want right now, it doesn't have to be forever.

You're not going anywhere.

You're not going anywhere. Right.

At least the next steps you're going to take towards somewhere at least I'm going to a country, I'm going to be getting a plane. At least make your way to the airport before you, you know, and then you can pick up a destination. But sitting at home complaining is nonsensical.

And then it's like, I've actually built a network. And you've built a network, I'm sure that of people we know together and many others that like we, we got the who for any how. So if you're like, hey, I want to get from A to B, I could be like, introduce you to the person who can make that happen. If you're willing to invest time, energy, money, whatever to build our relationship. And that's Another place stuck. It's like, well, why should I pay or why should I do this? I'm like, because they're going to give you the blueprint of what's already worked for them to get the results they've already gotten. And they're going to be there to answer questions like, that's the biggest hack I've ever thought about. People spend 100 grand on a degree that has no mentorship, no guidance, nobody who's teaching them has actually done the thing, but they'll spending five or ten grand with somebody who's actually done the thing, who will be on call and their reputation is on the line and make sure you get results.

Exactly.

All you got to do is show up and do what they say. And it's like it's such a disconnect in this entitlement fueled landscape we live in. Or it's like, yo, I just gave you the fucking cheat codes to whatever you want. All you got to do is decide what it is and who's the right person to work with to get it.

That's it. Simple.

And it's, I feel like we need to start breaking down that where, however people got there to where they're doing that action. I don't, I don't know what the belief structure is or have all the bits and pieces, but whatever led to that happening needs to be undone. Right. Because that's just what's holding everybody back from getting better. Because when you get better, when I get better, when we all get more successful, we can help more people and the world gets better. The, the ultimate pie gets larger.

So. Exactly.

That's the whole make more marvel the Right.

The rising tide lift. Rising tide lifts all boats. Is that the way the saying goes? Yeah.

And so, yeah. So let me, let's break down a few more of these pieces. I'm really liking this conversation. So tell. Thank you. Tell me what your personal philosophy is on coaching or teaching or mentorship or however you define yourself as that role and what, what might be different from the norm and what might be more effective or less effective? What have you found that works really well for you that hasn't worked, that you've tried, and how does that also lead to a better experience for your people in your program?

Yeah, I think for me I am more effective in the teaching role. Although I, you know, the results I've gotten with people, I think do say that when I'm doing impactful coaching. So I tend to do the VIP days, VIP weekends, or like taking people through a Short program. I'm very effective at that. But I don't really have space for complaining and bitching and crying. I don't. I'm not the best. Like, I'm not the Molly Coddler. I can whip you into shape, I can give you the blueprint, but I'm not really the Molly Coddler. But the great thing is, is that knowing that people do sometimes need that mix, I've got an amazing team of coaches who can actually carry over the longer term. So we've got that mix worked out, I believe, as an organization. But I would say that one of the things with me is I don't believe that we're ever going to get it all worked out. I'm not trying to get anybody to a point of perfection. I think my journey, going from thinking that I was perfect and quite painfully being smashed into the ground to see that I'm not really. I think it supported me in being able to really humbly step forward and say, look, guys, nobody's got it worked out at all. None of your favorite gurus have got a perfect life. None of them. They've all got.

And even if they do, they won't in, like, three years, the way things are moving so well.

Yeah, right. So, like, everybody's fighting their own battle. And I think the more that we give ourselves permission and, you know, step four of my beyond intention paradigm, which is one of the core frameworks behind what I teach is the listening is about that acknowledging you're not going to be switched on every day. You're not going to be happy every day, you're not going to want to do the work every day, you're not going to be aligned every day. But give yourself space and grace to be able to navigate those times when you're not, and you'll actually find that you're on the ball much more of the time, or at least the downtrend is going to last a lot less time. You know, it's going to be a quick. A quick dip. So I think that's something. And also just my perspective on the fact that everything has the potential to be energy, to trans. Be transmuted into channeling into what you want to create. And again, that's from my journey of seeing that the shadows are what made me the person I could be in order to be the person I am today. Right. Had everything worked out for being gone hunky dory, yeah, maybe I would have got to, you know, a centi millionaire in my 20s, but I would have been an absolute Twat. I'd had no friends and I really would just would not have been a nice person. It was required. And the energy that's flown through those experiences, I'm now able to share with others and support them on going on their journey too. So I say those. Those are the key thing. I know that I'm great. The impactful coming in, you know, you know, effing shit up and then having a team that supports in the ongoing bit after that, me coming in and just giving you a quick nudge to make your choice still on target. I think that that model has been really powerful for us.

Yeah. I love that for a couple of reasons. So one thing I'm picking up on here is like the difference in UK culture and the US culture.

Right.

The US culture is like, maximize every possible minute to get the most out of yourself and just die at 50 or whatever. Right. It's like crazy where it's like nuts. But then you talk to people in the UK and they go on things called hunter holidays and they travel and they just. They off for months at a time.

Same thing.

There's other parts of the world where somehow they don't completely fall out of relevance, you know, Depends on. Yes. I guess. But, you know, they had a empire that spanned the entire world at one point.

Yeah.

And they made it work. Right. And they still take holidays, they still have a good time. And how has that shaped you and what's been your. Your, you know, change when you moved to Mexico City, when you moved to Dubai? Like, how have different cultures shaped your perspective on this? And. And this idea of flexing and flowing because it seems like you have a good balance, which is. Is admirable.

Yeah. Also, I was raised by immigrants. My. My mom and dad emigrated from Zimbabwe to the UK in the 70s. There were education migrants. And so, you know, they weren't economic, it was. It was education. My dad got as high as he could in Zim. He wanted to. I think he wanted to do his master's at British University. And then he's now got two masters, a PhD. He got bored in his 40s and when he did a law degree or some shit. And he's sort of retired now. He's 79, but he hasn't kind of retired. He bought land and now he's a goat farmer because he wanted something to do. But as you do.

Right.

So I actually. So I actually came up in a very much sort of conservative Christian household. Hard work, sort of bit more puritan. Education is the way. And I rebelled against it a little bit because I wanted to be an entrepreneur. Yeah. Yeah. Richard Branson is one of my heroes. That's why I'm so grateful for Janet. You know, through him I've gotten the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Richard and so on and get to see. But I really kind of. I wanted to create value and. And do interesting things. I was just a bit of an. When I was younger and now the life experiences. I think it's life experience really supported in finding the balance between the hard work. Yes. Education, yes. But for the right things. Not go and get another degree, but go and sit. You know, go and spend 100 grand to be that mastermind. Go spend 50 grand to get coached by that person. Go spend 30 grand to be in that room. Do that for the education piece. Bring the hard work to it. But also understand that work for the sake of work is nothing. Life is here to be lived. And so the things I do work hard at, I actually enjoy. So it's still fulfilling. I still get to. I live. I've lived for many years now in places that are holiday locations essentially. And so life is a bit of a holiday. And so I've got an environment that supports me having a flexible way of living. I channel that education and that hard work into productive things are actually going to move the needle. And on top of all that, they think the life experience that I've had, which is one of the benefits of me when I spend money with someone, I'm getting the benefit of their life experience. Just like when people spend money with me, they get the experience of mine without the pain. Right. And so I think that's definitely the formula that I followed.

No, I love that. That's awesome. Okay, cool. So how do people learn more about what you're up to? How do people get in your. In your educational world? How do people follow you? Where do they go?

Best thing to head to dreamwithdan.com you you will find that there's a couple of pop ups that will give you some introductory items that will really support you no matter where you are in your journey. We've got a really cool quiz that in 10 questions will help identify your abundance block and then gives you some completely free resources to work through that. It's got. It's a really, really powerful way for me to be able to serve people that are ready to be served. If you want to step into more, there's opportunities to do that. But dreamwithdan.com youm'll find my socials links to my blog. I've got two podcasts out there as well. You can search for me on Entrepreneur magazine as well. I've got quite a comprehensive list of articles, but dreamwithdan.com very easy place to find all resources that you'd be looking for.

Wonderful. Dan, any parting words for the make more Marvels community?

Yeah, just don't take this all so seriously, guys. None of us are getting out of it alive. So make use of the time that you've got because you don't know what you don't know how much you've got of it.

Well put. Well put, Dan. And thank you so much for being on the show. And thanks, man, for everybody at home again. Hashtag replay. If you're watching the replay, it was great to have you on the live. If you're on the live. Hashtag live. And we'll see you next time. Cheers.