100: 9 things to know while you’re still in mold w/ Dr. Jill Crista | Live

Hello again, everyone, and welcome to today's show. If you're one of the 130 million people that are dealing with Sirs Lyme disease, autoimmune disease, or other conditions that are impacted by mold on a daily basis, and you need to learn how to eliminate that exposure, then you're in the right place. My name is Brian Carr, and you're listening to Mold Finders Radio.

Hey, everyone, what is going on today? It's a very special day. Today is going to be the first live recording of molefinders Radio. I'm actually doing this live. I'm doing it on Clubhouse, and I'm going to have Dr. Jill Christa come on and she's going to join me, and we're basically going to do this thing in real time. And so for those of you who are listening on the podcast, if you're hearing this afterwards, basically the way that these things are going to work is I'm going to kind of give a heads up. And if folks want to jump into the room and kind of be a part of these conversations, then they can. Right? So today, how this flow is going to work is Dr. Krista and I, we're going to chat about some stuff. The overview here is that Dr. Jill's actually just created a new mold specific training course, which is also very affordable, which is nice. And it's the nine things to know while you're still in mold. So what we're gonna do today is kind of like touch on those and get a feel for her thoughts on that stuff.

And have a chat at the end if we have time. And there's anyone in here that has questions, maybe we'll take a couple questions. So that's the flow. So. Hey, Jill, she's back. Hey, what's going on?

Hey, can you hear me okay?

I can.

All right.

Maybe if you could be a smidge louder, that would help.

Oh, sure, it can be louder.

But yeah.

Is that better?

No, still no, huh?

Yeah, still no. You're still a little. Not super, super loud.

Dang. Okay, let me try this. Let me do some headphone situation here.

All right. Hey, we got a couple people in the room. This is exciting. This is like we're sitting in, like, front of a room and having, like, a real talk. This vibe of the podcast moving forward, I'm going to be super into. I'm really excited about this, so this is going to be cool.

All right, so let's test you out now, how you sound?

How's this? Is this better?

Is it me? Am I not allowed to try again.

Okay, is this. How's this?

There it is. That's it. That's money. That's what it is. Cool, everyone. Dr. Jill, say hi.

Hi.

So this is going to be episode 100. So for those of you who have checked out the pod before, Jill was my first actual guest ever on episode 50. So I did the first 49 of these things. Just me ranting on my own, wandering around my daughter's nursery, pacing.

And Joe was my first guest. And it's exciting. Now, 50 episodes later, I thought it'd be super cool to have you back. So thanks for coming back.

Yeah, thanks for having me. And that was 50 on my 50th, so that was pretty fun.

That's right, it was.

Yeah. Yeah.

What a day.

So, yeah, I kind of set up before you jumped on, but I really wanted to sort of talk about what you just put out, this resource that you put out.

Those of you who don't know Dr. Jo, I'd be kind of surprised if you know me. You probably know her. But she wrote the book Break the Mold. Amazing book, super helpful for people. And so things that she puts out there is actually valuable. Guys. So when we were talking last week, right, and you mentioned that you were doing this thing, I was like, ah, we should come on and like, talk about this and dive into it a little bit and just give a breakdown of some of the information that's there. So that's what I was hoping that we could do today.

So.

So maybe just give kind of a quick overview of what this thing is and we can kind of dive into some of the general topics. Then you and I can kind of riff back and forth on stuff and get our thoughts.

Yeah, nice. Well, thanks so much. Thanks for inviting me back on. It's really amazing. It's so amazing the work that you do. It's wonderful. As a body expert who really knows enough about building inspection remediation to be dangerous, it's nice to be able to have you as a resource to say, you know, if you have a question like that, go check out Brian's podcast, because that's you. You're just such a resource for people. So I want to just commend you on that and how valuable what you're doing is for people who are really struggling and struggling with something that affects their brain, you know, so you can't. It's hard to make good decisions when you have your brain affected.

No, it's definitely true. I feel like you're buttering me up. A little bit. It's fine. You're already on the second time. I don't know if anyone else is on.

I'm just going for three. I'm going for the future feature.

Third. No, thanks. You know, for. For people that don't know, like, how Jill and I met. We met at a medical conference. How many years ago was it? Was it three years ago now? I think it's like three years ago at TFIM in Seattle.

Good question.

Up in that area. And it was before your book had kind of come out, but it wasn't finalized yet.

And that'd be four years ago.

So it's four years ago that we met and we met randomly at this medical conference and totally hit it off. We were talking and then the next thing I know, when Book formally came out, we Inspect was a referred company in the back end appendix, which wasn't there at the beginning. I was like, oh, my God, it's so cool. So.

That'S how we first met a long time ago.

Yeah. And I remember sitting at the lunch table, I was answering a question on a naturopathic chat group about air sampling. And you were on one side and Corey was on the other side. And I was like, what do I tell them? And you guys just like, fed me this sentence by sentence education. I was learning. I was able to share it with, you know, 3,000 naturopathic doctors. It was just amazing. I thought this is going to be an incredible working collaboration because it's going to spread this solid knowledge so quickly.

I remember that I forgot until you just said that, but I remember that. That's so funny. We were like sitting there, like, writing out the response together.

Yeah, yeah. And you were teaching me. And then I'm like, oh, okay. How can I say this? That an antibiotic doctor Will. And yeah, it was great.

So cool. Anyway, so for those of you who wonder why we chat, this is why we chat. Because we met each other and we like each other. So it's cool.

All right, so tell us what you got going on. So what is this thing that you just put together? And we can kind of dive into some of the topics and give some of the highlights of stuff.

Yeah. So I created a course to answer the question I commonly hear that I most hear. So I get a lot of emails all the time. We read every single one. And so often I'm hearing, well, I'm stuck. I can't get out of mold. Either my employer doesn't believe me and I can't find another job yet, or I can't get moved to another department in a different part of the building, or I'm in a lease and I can't get out. So there's a lot of sense of disempowerment for people because they are in a situation that's very real, where my number one thing of getting better from old is avoidance. Well, what if avoidance isn't possible right now? What if there's a delay and is it even worth doing anything? Do you just sit as a, you know, kind of, like, disempowered and not be able to do anything while you're working on the solution to get out of mold? So I created this course called 9 Things to Know while you're still in mold. Words have a lot of power. So I'm not using the word stick stuck because I don't want to reinforce that. I want to use the word still, because then it reinforces that, okay, you are in this situation where you can't get out of mold yet, but we all are in agreement that you do need to get out. So some of my colleagues are a little frustrated that I created this because they say, oh, no, you've just given people permission to keep being a mold denier. That's just not the experience that I've had. I've had people feel truly paralyzed by their work or lease or home situation.

Or, you know, they're at school and it's school housing. You know, there are certain situations that are very limiting and very real, and there are so many things that you can do, more than nine things. But I tried to narrow it down to some nine core things that you can do so that when you do get out of mold, you're coming out of it in a better place than had you done nothing. So that was the whole point of creating this.

Yeah, I think that's great because I think sometimes, to your point, you go around on the Internet, you go into the Facebook groups, right? And it says until you're out, your life is basically over. Right? Like, just burn down the house, deal with being sick. Don't even try to get better. It's a disaster. If any mold is around you, you're just gonna roll over and die. So why even try? And. And it's just. It. It's not realistic. Like, yeah, I say this a lot, like, on the. The home side of stuff, right? Like, there's. There's like the. The. If you did something in a controlled laboratory setting, point of view, and then there's the I live in the real world point of view. And nobody lives in a lab that's a controlled lab. So like you talk to some doctors like, well, you know, you can't ever get better until you get out of it. Like of. Yeah, duh, thanks. Right. That's why we paid you for the consult. It's. We know that. Right, but that, but you can't live like you are doing like research papers. You know, you actually have to help people like navigate situations. That's why I like a lot of what you're doing because it's helping to empower people with that stuff. Right. And so, so that's, that's why this thing is really cool.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. It's an hour. I mean it's a, it's not a short thing. I tend to be a little verbose apparently, but it's an hour because it is dense and you get a PDF that comes along with, gives you specific actionable information. Just like my book. I tried to make sure that, you know, mold brained people would have steps and the steps would be laid out and it would be very clear. And I tried to do the same thing with this course and corresponding handout. So it can become this resource that you can either save to your phone as a PDF or print out if you're not too afraid of paper. Because that is something that multic people are like, I don't know if I can have paper. So there's a PDF, it's digital if you need it and you can take notes on it and all of that so that you can really customize your plan.

During the months that it's taking to either get out of your lease or change your job location or something like that.

Cool. All right, so can we do just quick, there's nine things. Can we rattle off the nine things?

Sure, yeah. Number one, I mean the biggest question that I get is, is it even worth doing anything? And so number one is yes, start treatment.

It's so important.

Number two is air filtration. Not a big surprise. Number three is exposure reduction. There's some real key things that you can do to reduce the exposure, especially to mycotoxins. Number four is a low mold high binder diet. So some specific dietary recommendations to make sure that you're reducing your mold and mycotoxin exposure and binding through food. Number five is prevent colonization. So there's some specific things that you can do to keep the colonization down. So that's not a big barrier or hurdle to jump out over once you get out of mold. Number six, you're gonna love this one. Duty is your duty. And yeah, I do mean number two. So like I say in the handout, your number one prior body priority while you're being exposed is number twos.

That's so funny. I literally just went back to, like elementary school and made a duty joke in my head.

I know, I had to. I was like, you know, poop is your duty. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, that's not funny enough at all.

No, this is set up on a silver platter right now. You got to take this.

Yeah. And then number seven is protect. A lot of the things that I write about in my book that are protective, they give to animals full well, knowing they're going to be in a moldy barn or eating moldy food. So let's take that lesson from animal research and give it to ourselves in our own feed. Number eight is the big question. To detox or not to detox. And that's where we talk about accumulation versus detoxification, which we talked about on the last podcast. People want to get more detail. It's on number 50.

It's on 50.

And then nine. And final is the well meaning but not helpful things to do while you're still in mold. So your molded or a doctor may be really, you know, gung ho and trying to give you certain things. There are certain things that in my experience have really flared my patients and made them worse for trying to make them better. While when you're still in mold, things can act a little differently for treatment.

Awesome. Okay, cool. So this is the overview. So this is like the little clip for people. This is just the quick overview of stuff. So what I like to do for the next, like, short period of time, maybe let's just hit on each one of those. Give like, you know, one or two sort of highlights on each one of those. Right. So we kind of have a feel for generally where you're coming from. And then if people want more information, they can go get it. And if they don't and they feel like they learned enough, then good for them. They learned enough too. And that works too.

Yeah, right, Exactly.

Yeah. So let's start at the top. So, yes, start treatment. Right. I've heard this too. It's like, don't start. We just talked about this. So what does that mean?

That means I can tell people with full confidence. This is from my experience treating many, many, many hundreds of people, probably thousands of people. It is beneficial to start despite your exposure situation. It's so, you know, I, it's the data that I am pulling which I need to publish sometime, but it's just my own little markers in my head that I'm keeping track of. The people that did start treating in a safe way and in an informed way got so much better, so much faster once they got out of their moldy environment. So, yes, start treatment and with an asterisk, make sure, you know, avoidance is still your number one priority. But these are things that you can do where you can not only feel empowered, it's not just.

Giving you a task. Like, you know when a woman's going into birth and they have the guy go get water boiling, you know, that's just to kind of make the guy have something to do so that he feels like he's doing something, that kind of thing. That's not what we're talking about. I'm talking about real things that have measurable changes and make measurable differences once you get out of your exposure.

Yeah, yeah, I, I think that's so important, right, Because I, I mean I obviously, I work with a lot of people in the home piece of it, right. And I do this initial talk with them very similar to like, if you're going to work with a doctor, there's an onboarding process, you know, history, all that stuff, right. And, and I've, I've literally had clients have been like, my doctor said they won't treat me unless I'm out of the mold. And I'm like, listen guys, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your doctor. Right. Like, I don't know who they are, but I mean, do you feel good about that? Like, does that make you feel okay? Like just, just think about that, you know.

Let me ask you like a quick. It's not really follow up, it's like an adjacent question, basically.

So, sorry, I only do follow ups.

Only five. I should have, I should have cleared this through your, through your team before I gave you an adjacent question.

Okay, so let's say we find a number of things in a house. Let's say there's 10 things that we find, right? So when I say 10 things, I mean there's 10, like source areas where there's an issue, those sources are obviously moving through the house. There's exposure issues going on, right? Let's say somebody can't remediate everything. Okay, so is there benefit for people? And I know everyone's gonna be different, right? Because I'm sure kind of their individuality in terms of what Their load is. And kind of all the other stuff that's going on with them will impact that. But just like, generally speaking, I guess there's still benefit in doing what you can in your space, if that's your best option. Yeah. So, like, even if there is still some exposure left, if you reduce, let's say you're reducing exposure by like 50%, is there still benefit there for that person? Would they. Would they potentially still see, you know, kind of an increase in their overall, you know, health? I guess it's not the best way to say it, but you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I totally know what you're saying, and I love this question so much, and I get it a lot. And so I give them the.

The reference of smoking, which is another known, you know, aerated toxin. If you went from two packs a day to four cigarettes a day, would that be improvement? You know, so, yes, of course. Lowering your load, taking some action. And we have to remember in occupational studies, they show that half the people that get out of that building get better on their own. We don't usually hear that side of the story because, you know, we're trying to defend the one or two members of the family that are symptomatic, not. And trying to convince the one or two members of the family that aren't yet symptomatic that they. That that's a real thing. So, you know, we're sort of, like, focused in our biases toward defending the sick people that this is a real thing. But what we can lose sight of is that there's one or two members of the family that aren't yet sick, sick from it. They will be eventually, with the amount of exposure, but they're not. And that message of hope also is really important for people to hear that by just getting out of the building, that coin flip, you could be on the heads or the tails side of that and just be better. So why not take the steps that you can take? Let's say it's a financial issue, which that's the case for a lot of my patients. They could only afford to do the bathroom to do the tear out, and definitely not the rebuild, and couldn't afford to do the master bedroom tear out because they need to make more money, you know, so it's going to take six months before they can rebuild the coffers to be able to do the next stage. And even that first tear out. If we go to the worst space that improves people's symptoms, it clears up heads, it reduces fatigue they can probably show up better for their jobs, that might actually help the financial state, and then they can move forward with the next step and the next step. So every step matters and does make a difference.

I love that you clear that out because I tell people that too. Right. But then it's obvious, like, well, you know, I'm not a doctor, right. So like, it's like. And you know, I give analogies and things kind of similar to what you did. But, you know, something that I do with folks, if that's coming up, right. Is, you know, we deliver. Obviously, here's what we would do to fix everything, right. The best way we know how. And then if it's not possible, what do we do? And I have like a prioritization framework, right. And so if we need to do that, then I help people sort of prioritize things. And it's just part of sort of the consult process with us. But it's like, listen, if you can only do, you know, a certain number of things, here are the areas that I think you might get the biggest bang for your buck on. Right. On the exposure piece. Right. And that's helpful. So I'm glad that you. Justified, I don't want to say justified, supported, validated, whatever.

Sometimes I don't know where the things I tell people come from, but it comes from talking to like, you offline and other people offline. Like, that's why it's in my head. And then I kind of forget where it came from. And then I'm like, wait, did I just make this up or is this real?

Well, I mean, a little bit of a problem. We're kind of we. You build from your experience. And I want to say all that with a big asterisk. That also defending the doctors that their perspective is they want to do the best for their patients. They want their patient to get better all the way and as quickly as possible. So. So where they're coming from is they don't want to be enabling a message or, you know, sending a message that the person doesn't really have to address the environment. You 100% have to address the environment. That's the way out of this. 50% of people are better just by doing environment and nothing else. So that is the big kahuna. Working with you, you know, working with a good remediator and getting the environment taken care of is absolutely the right thing to do and the most necessary step. That said, you may not be able to do all of it or do it perfectly or do it right away. And so what do we do in the meantime? And that's why I created this course is because there's lots and lots of people in that situation. And by not offering anything, we are actually setting them up to have a harder time to get better once they get out.

Yeah, absolutely. 100% cool. So. So let's not move to the next one. I feel like I just. We just did so long on that. This is going to be like a two hour long thing. I'm going to. I'm going to try to be a better moderator. Okay. So.

No, it's fine. This one's going to be fast. Number two is air filtration. Yeah, I mean, you've talked a ton about that, so I don't know that we really need to go into that. It's just the game of clearing ultrafine particulates. I think my only big caution from my mold research is to avoid ozone at all costs. I know there's a lot of ozone treatments out there too, like the fogging and things like that. Ozone makes mycotoxins more toxic. Mycotoxins make ozone more toxic to your lung tissue. So I'm just very wary of anything that's going to be putting out any kind of ozone.

Wow, I did not know that. Hold on. I'm literally writing that note down for myself.

Yeah, yeah.

So ozone makes mycotoxins more toxic. Mycotoxins, lung tissue to lung tissue, and then mycotoxins make ozone more toxic to the same thing.

Yep, yep. So when they tested lung tissue, ozone was bad, mycotoxins was bad, were bad. Grammar. But when you put the two together, the sum was much greater than the parts on the damage that it did to the lung tissue. So together they're way worse. So.

Okay, I want to unpack this just a little bit. So is it that ozone actually does not break down mycotoxins and instead it makes them worse, or is it that if you happen to breathe in ozone and mycotoxins at the same time, them combined creates a problem in your lungs?

I don't know that I know specifically that mechanism. I would guess that it is the combination. I think ozone probably potentiates or bioactivates mycotoxins either by allowing them to soak into the tissue faster or by creating a pre existing inflammatory state which then the mycotoxins can take advantage of. I'm not really sure, but it's the together.

Part that makes makes them both worse.

Interesting. So I'm going to ask you another follow up you may or may not know does. Is that. Is that breathing ozone or is that like an ozone 10 pass, for example?

Oh, great question. So that was lung tissue.

Got it. Okay.

Yep. And our sinus tissue is different than our lung tissue. And so some people have said, wait, wait, wait. Why do you recommend ozone in the sinuses for treatment? And that's because they are completely different tissue type than the lung tissue. Our sinuses don't have surfactant and they don't have a bunch of, you know, other things that the lung tissue has. So that. But, you know, if you're breathing, you're not just breathing to your sinuses.

Yeah, yeah. I think the first time I learned that was from you. You're breathing to lungs, you're breathing to gut all at the same time.

Yeah. I'm writing all this ozone stuff down while we talk.

Yeah. So for air filters, I make sure to ask for independent.

Validation, you know, so independent testing. Not them testing their own machine, but they should pony up a. An independent test on their ozone and that it should be within the ozone standards. And I have that on my YouTube video about how to choose an air filter. The organization, which I'm blanking on right now, but there is an industry standard organization that monitors ozone output of machines, even copy machines output ozone.

Any electronic does.

Yeah. So I mean, yeah, that's what people have to understand. It's not just an air filter issue. It's a. It's an electronic issue. But certain air filters, they add ozonation as part of the sterilization. And for a moldy environment, that is the worst kind of air filter you can be putting in there.

God, that's so good. That's like such a good little gem.

Yeah. So I. When it comes to air filters and stuff, like, people have heard me talk about it, I won't go crazy. It's honestly, it's all about the filtration size, the particle size of filters down to all these other units that create ions and create stuff. And that's usually where you're finding the ozone production is in those things. More so than just a standard more filtration unit. That's where you'll get more of that from. Filtration is the most important piece because the. The particles are what you're breathing that's getting into your system. So if you're removing the particle load as much as you can, then there's less. Obviously you're exposed to. To breathe. And so that's why I would imagine in these nine things to know that's, you know, kind of doing the first step on just kind of reducing overall exposure in the house as much as you can with the filter is something that's a quicker thing that you can do and at least have some level of impact.

Yes.

Yeah. Got it. Okay.

Yeah.

Cool. I learned stuff from you every time I talk to you. Okay.

Likewise.

All right, so number three is exposure reduction. So this is get out of the house, you're going die. Right?

I mean, get out as much as possible.

Sorry. I'm kidding, guys. I know. I'm sorry.

We're not feeding that negativity.

I know.

Yeah. So, no, it's. It's obviously exchanging the air with outdoor air in it, if it's possible. There are some occupational situations where or a hotel situation or a restaurant, you know, and they're like, there is no outdoor air coming into this place. There's no way to open windows. You know, what the heck do I do? And in those cases, I try to have my patients use a dehumidifier in their controllable space. So at least what they're doing is keeping the humidity level down. So a dehumidifier and an air filter in their space, if it's an office situation or something like that, that can help to. From, you know, feeding, watering the mold that might be in that environment. But another really cool biostasis technique, if you tolerate them, is using essential oils in your space. Essential oils have a very unique ability to not only be mold static, some of them are mold cytal. And what that means in medicine is mold static stops the mold from growing. Mold cytal kills it. So it has, like, a mold stopping effect. But the other really cool thing that they do is they stop the mold's ability to make mycotoxins. So spores might be a problem. Mycotoxins might be a problem in the space. You can knock down one whole level of that, Two whole levels, actually, because we have spores, chemicals, and mycotoxins. Chemicals are made while mold is growing. It's just part of metabolism. Mold farts and mycotoxins, as you know and your listeners know, are made in defense. So you can knock down the chemicals and the mycotoxins by stopping the mold growth and stunting its ability to defend itself with mycotoxins. So I have my patients, rather than adding humidity to the air, which you can do with some of these essential oil sprays, what I have them do is I put them on cotton balls, just the oil itself, or on an essential oil diffuser, and you can tuck the cotton balls into your problematic space. Let's say it's a base or. Yeah, base cabinet in a bathroom. You can tuck loaded cotton balls in the space and then seal that area off with plastic until you can get the remediation done. And now you've just done a biostasis with a containment in a small space.

That's freaking crazy.

Isn't that amazing?

What are the oils for?

Some people they're just like, oh, wow, that really, that really cleared up my brain fog. Or oh, wow, my, my pelvic pain and tinnitus are better. Or oh, I'm not running to the bathroom as much since I did the biostasis thing. So, yeah.

All the things I have in my book. So cedar. So any of the pine family. Cedar, pine, any of the Jesus spices. I call it frankincense, myrrh.

Rosemary. So a lot of our cooking herbs. So rosemary, basil, holy basil, ajuane, which is sort of like one of those cumin, coriander spices, cloves, eucalyptus, tea tree, and thyme. Thyme is.

What we use for Listerine. So it's a very good antiseptic and it's also an amazing, not only mold stopper, but bacteria and actinomyces stopper. So I like to use thyme in all of the mix that we make because it has that mixed activity.

Wow.

And it's affordable. Frankincense gets a little expensive.

I'm like literally writing so many notes. I know people are like listening, like, Ryan, why aren't you talking? Sorry, guys. This is how I learn. So I can talk to you guys. Selfishly, everyone that's listening, I really bring people like Jill on so I can learn more stuff that I can share with you guys. So every now and then I take some notes. So bear with me. But no, that, that's super, super cool. I didn't, I never even knew that. I didn't know the mechanism. I've heard of like antifungal, right. But then the mechanism to, to actually stop mycotoxin production.

Yeah.

In an enclosed sort of isolated space. Like that is super awesome. That's really cool.

Isn't it neat? And it's so, again, it's so empowering. It's like, okay, that's your problem space. You're not going to get that remediated in a long time. I mean, obviously if it's like the wall on your headboard on your master bedroom, don't sleep there, you know, but you can also then lay cotton balls along the base of that wall, and then close the wall off with plastic. And you've just sort of created a containment area until you can afford to get to it.

Wow, that's super cool.

All right.

Need to be re.

Soaked every so often. So, you know, just kind of check in on them every so often. Of like, okay, does it smell like essential oils in here anymore, or do they still look wet? And if they don't look oily, then that means all of the oils have volatile off and you need to just re soak them. And, like, one cotton ball can hold about 20 to 30 drops of essential oil.

Amazing. This is so cool.

Everybody always asks, like, what are the things I could do in the meantime? And a lot of what you said is, you know, what I would say, you know, diluting the air. I always quote your quote that you took from Dr. Kernan.

Yeah, and I always say as dilution. Yeah. And I always say, as Jill says from Dr. It's like this whole, like, thing. I always say the same thing, but yeah. So I always use that. And then obviously, air filtration. The other thing I talk about that could be helpful is actually just doing a spring cleaning on steroid kind of concept in the house and just getting rid of as much of the dust as you can because that's what's carrying everything. So if you can get rid of some of that, then you won't breathe it in. But this piece is a cool, cool thing, too. That's awesome. Okay, cool. So number four, which is low mold, high binder diet. So I know your book has a lot about what to eat, what not to eat, like a lot of that stuff. So. Yeah, yeah. You know, we don't have to go, like, super into it, but maybe just general concept on this one.

Yeah, I'm getting. I think I can kind of highlight the. And on the low mold, it's things that are either fungus, so, you know, mushrooms, blue cheese, Those kind of things need to go. Bye. Bye.

So that's one category of foods that you want to avoid. You want to avoid foods that will be more prone to have mycotoxin contamination. And so that tends to be dried fruits.

Aged meats, aged cheeses. Some of the fruit, you know, once it starts to look a little funky, like grapes and raspberries, or if apples have that little white fuzz on them, that's fungus. So be aware of those. Grains can tend to be pretty contaminated with mycotoxins, corn, potatoes, soy. So some of those things that tend to be more mycotoxin contaminated to either reduce or cut out of the diet. And third category of those foods would be things that are so much rich in sugar that they're gonna encourage candida or fungal overgrowth in your body. So that's the idea of a low mold diet. You're trying to get rid of fungus, mycotoxins and things that feed fungus. But the high binder part is I've been getting a lot of questions about binders. You know, can I take them with food? Can I not take them with food? Why don't you talk about binders more? And it's because for myself as a, as a naturopathic doctor, we put so many of our patients on certain diets that are really high in insoluble fiber. And I think we talked about this last time. If you think about the path of a mycotoxin, once you, when you're in a water damage, building exposure, so moldy building, you're going to be breathing those toxins in. So they go into your bloodstream via the lungs, so they're not loose in your gut. So you don't need to bind them in your gut. What you're binding in your gut is the bile, because then once that mycotoxin is in your blood, it either goes to the kidneys to get peed out, or it has to go to the liver to get packaged into bile. And then the liver sends it down in this bile package. So we're binding bile. Insoluble fiber is the best binder of bile. It's the best binder of cholesterol. That's why even medical doctors, if someone has high cholesterol, they'll put them on a high fiber diet. There's a reason for that, because they're really good at binding. So the high binding part of it is things that are very high in this insoluble fiber. And that's going to be things like, you know, old school metamucil, which is psyllium husk, flax seeds, chia seeds, bran, not, not the whole oat, but the oat bran.

Because the oat will have the sugary part, the bran doesn't. The bran just has the stuff that grabs bio. And if somebody has sibo, they can use sibo friendly things like sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds. And I have done, patients do up to 2 tablespoons of the fiber and then sprinkled throughout their meals with their meals because their meals are inducing the bile dump. And then the binder, which is fiber, grabs it when you eat. So it's very uncomplicated.

Is that what then pushes us to the next number? Wherever this is about pooping, is this what helps you get regular?

Yeah, yeah. Or for some people, insoluble fiber can make them really constipated. And so that's where we use pre binders, things that encourage more bile to be made or to make your bile more runny so that you. Bile is a great inducer of bowel movement. So you can use those pre binders. If someone is not going to the bathroom, we can, you know, that's in the duty as your duty section. We can just jump there. Because if someone's not pooping two number twos, two number twos every day, they will be recirculating that toxin back up to the liver. And that's what I call the definition of detox insanity. The liver's like, hey, bile. You just brought this back and I already packaged this. Now I gotta unpackage it, repackage it, and send it back down to the gut again. And then if you're constipated, the bile brings it right back up to the liver again. So we have this recycling of bile. The purpose of it was to save are fat soluble nutrients like vitamin A and D and K. But what happens is that when you have a fat soluble toxin like mycotoxins, they just get pulled back up into the liver. And every time the liver has to look at that, it uses nutrients. So it's just like wearing down the liver.

It depletes the nutrients, basically.

It depletes them over and over and over again. So for me, binders are not a given until I know for sure that we can keep that person pooping if they're not pooping. I use pre binders before binders and for some patients, they can't ever use up to 2 tablespoons of fiber because it's too constipating for them. But it's interesting, as we get them detoxed, they can handle more and more and more of it.

What are some of the pre binders?

Pre binders would be things like bile itself. You know, you can take oxygen bile, which is a more higher intervention thing. The lighter intervention would be things that like taste the bitter. So there are a couple blends called Swedish bitters and bittersweet elixir. The taste of bitter on your tongue is what induces your body to make more bile bitter. The communication of bitter on your tongue communicates poison to the brain. And the brain says, uh, oh, we just ate a poisonous Plant detox. And so it starts making a ton of fresh bile and pushing it down into the colon. And as it's making that bile, it's picking up any toxin that comes by in the blood, because the signal was just sent to the brain that said, we just ate a poisonous plant. And so you're kind of like pushing the body into a forced detox in a healthy way. So that's a simple thing you can do is take a little bit of bitter on your tongue before you eat. And we, a lot of chefs know this. Like, they send out an arugula salad before the big greasy meal, you know, because it's going to help you digest and enjoy the meal better.

Oh, interesting. That's cool.

Yeah.

On the liver piece, just a couple more questions. So one, castor oil packs.

Yeah.

Benefit. No benefit.

What does it do? Super big benefit. Yeah. Thank you for asking that. Because so much of the time we focus on all these things that you're putting in your mouth. But, you know, castor oil packs you put on your belly or over your liver, and they're very wonderful, gentle detoxifiers that people can do at night before they go to bed. Or a lot of my patients, they just wipe the castor oil on over their liver and then go to bed with a T shirt. They don't mind getting icky. And that's about as easy as it gets. You know, while you're brushing your teeth with one hand, rub your castor oil in the other. If you can do that at the same time. And then just put a T shirt on and go to bed. And then you've done your detox assistance, and you didn't have to put anything in your mouth.

So I actually sleep with a castor oil pack on.

I forget. I mean, I was doing it every night, and then, you know, I had a baby and forget to sleep. So I do it when I remember. But it was the Queen of Thrones one. Do you know that one?

No.

So there's this part of this brand is Queen of Thrones because it's heat activated. Right. That's how the castor oil works. Right. So, like, if you're just doing castor oil on yourself, don't you put, like, a heat pack on it if you're gonna do that for it to work?

Not necessarily. I mean, the body heat can do it too.

Got it. Yeah. That's what this one does. It's like, it comes with a wrap, so you don't have to, like, put like, a flannel or something over It. And it kind of ties around your abdomen, and it ties and stays there, and then it kind of like traps in your body heat, too. That's kind of the mechanism on how it works.

If I don't notice any sort of difference when I'm doing it and sleeping all night with it, like, would you. Would someone notice it? Or just something, you know, that's helping behind the scenes?

A lot of people don't notice it.

Okay.

Yeah. And that's actually why it's so nice, because for super, super sensitive people, it's something. It's a way to detox that they can usually handle without having any bad Hercules reaction. So it's pretty common to not notice anything. You're like, why am I even doing this?

And, you know, you might notice little things like fatigue improves, but it's so subtle. Your vision might improve, but it's really subtle. Skin might clear up, but it's really subtle. You know, it's all these little subtle signs that are showing up in multiple.

Different places, but the same thing's happening. Right. Like you're detoxing out of your liver, but it ties back to the bile conversation. So if you're not pooping, you're recirculating.

Right? Right. And what the casserole pack is doing is pushing the bile from the little lacteals that come off of the gut back to the liver. So there's no backup in the system. So it's perfect time to do it at night, because our liver is the most active at night while we sleep.

On the detox side, because all day we're eating, and so it's having to deal with managing blood sugar and assimilating nutrients and all of the things it's doing during the day because we're in a fed state. When we go into a fasting state and a resting state, that's when it can work on detox. So doing castor oil before you go to bed helps deliver all the gunk that's been backed up in the channel so the liver can clean it all up. Then you don't get as much bio accumulation of the toxin.

Nice. Okay, so my last question on the poop stuff. Enemas, good.

Yes. I mean, coffee enemas are a wonderful way to detox as well. They're a little more aggressive than a castor oil pack.

Sure. Yeah. I'm afraid to do it. I don't even. Like, you can't find a video on how to do it, because no one's gonna show a video of themselves doing It. Right. So then it's like, am I actually doing this right? Like, I don't know if. I don't know if I'm ready to try this yet.

Yeah, no, actually, Dr. Joe Carnahan has a great coffee enema kit that has good instructions and everything. She imports it from. From Europe. And the kit is really easy to use. And also it's clean coffee. So that's where I send, like, doctors who take my course and then, you know, people in my membership and stuff, I send them to her website because it's just a really well put together package and it makes it so easy.

Oh, super cool.

That might be a way to go.

Nice. I'm gonna be talking to her in maybe a month or so, I think.

Oh, nice.

Yeah. Hey, I heard you have this really awesome enema pack.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing with coffee enemas that I see is that then when people do it and they're like, oh, my gosh, I felt so much better. And then they can overdo it. So our body does need certain nutrients to make bile that we can deplete if you're doing too much bile pushing. So, you know, anything more than once a week as a detox, in my experience, has been more depleting than helpful.

Good to know. That's awesome. Okay, so let's backtrack off of this. So we skipped prevent colonization. So let's talk about this a little bit. So what do you mean here?

So colonization, when the moldy building moves into you and you become the moldy building. Yes.

I use your quote all the time on this. All the time.

You become the moldy building. Yeah. So, you know, I see that a lot. Like, people say, this can't be from 20 years ago when I was in my college housing, can it? And I'm like, yep, because you became the moldy building, it moved in. And so the way to prevent that is to use nasal sprays, because that's our first interaction with a moldy building is through our, you know, that's the gate to our respiratory system. So if we use nasal probiotics, we're helping to encourage a healthy microbiome and defend against the mycotoxins, changing your microbiome into a bad colony. And if you really. So anyone should be doing, you know, if you're still in mold and it's going to be a while, the probiotics, I think, would be for pretty much everybody. But if you have sinus symptoms, then I would use more like a homeopathic nasal spray to As a, like a morning thing. Then you do your probiotics at night or so alternating to make sure that if you already are symptomatic, you are getting more and more invaders, and your body's telling you that with the symptoms. And so then I recommend using something either that or, you know, someone has a lot of allergies or something like that. I love propolis.

Is that. Yeah, I was gonna ask. So, like. So it's a. It's like a nasal specific probiotic. Is that what you're talking about? Like propolis?

Yeah. Mm. Nasal specific. Yeah. And it's from the. It's from kimchi.

So actually, in, in Korea, I have a friend who's Korean. Whenever they get a sinus infection, they snort kimchi juice. Which sounds interesting, really painful to me. But yeah, maybe just kimchi. Kimchi. Not the hot kimchi.

But I mean, I, I, My daughter got me sick because, you know, you send your kid to school and they come back with all the things. And so I was sick, sick last week for, like, a whole week. So frustrating. She's sick for, like, three days, and I'm sick for, like, an entire week. So frustrating. And at the end of it, it started turning into, like, a sinus thing. Right. And then I lost my voice for three days at the end. It was great. But so, like, I was doing, like, neti pots, Right. To kind of help with that. I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but is it like, the same kind of idea that you're, like, washing stuff out, or is, like, a straight spray more of something that is going to, like, stay in there and continue to kind of work for you? Is that kind of what's happening?

It's kind of the same. I mean, a Nettie versus a spray is sort of the same idea. And the, the probiotics you do as a neti pot, usually.

Oh, you do them as a neti pot. Got it.

Yeah.

And is this something that you can do is, like a maintenance sort of thing, or do you need to. Like, when would you be doing, like, a nasal probiotic? And when would you not be?

That's a good question. I think when, you know, like, when you have little kids, like, in your situation, I would do them at the first sniffle in the child. Like, not only on the child, but, like, for yourself is what I'm talking about. Like, to protect yourself. Sort of like how we use gut probiotics. If someone around is getting sick, either with a fever or something, it's like that's a really good time to take your probiotic. Just a little vitamin, a little probiotic, and probably some fermented food if you're not mold sick and try to boost up your immune system.

Interesting. Cool.

Yeah.

Okay, so when you say colonization, you're basically saying that the mold is growing in your sinus. Is that what you're saying?

The mold wants to. It wants to move in there and then that also seeds your gut. So I generally have people do a probiotic in their sinuses as a preventive and then some sort of gentle whole body antifungal.

That would be. And we kind of pick it for the person to see how strong their constitution is. So that's where it gets it a little bit into the art of it. But just to try to make sure that if there is any mold that wants to seed or even change the flora of the sinuses, that's going to affect the whole tube. So we want to make sure we're addressing the whole tube.

Got it. All right, we got three left. And then maybe if we have a few minutes, we've had a couple troopers in here that have stayed. We can maybe do some.

I know. They're doing such a good job.

I know. It's so awesome. So, guys, thank you for hanging out. We'll get to you here shortly. I'm going to try to speed through these last three. Although I have actually. It's so funny. I'm like, I'm personally curious about all this stuff. So then I ask follow up questions, which I know was not in the original agreement with your PR team. Okay, so next is protect, right? So this is more of like supplementation and things like that.

Yep. And those are going to be things that they give to animals knowing full well they're going to be in a moldy barn or eating moldy food. They feed these, they add those to the animal feed. Things such as bioflavonoids. That's the colorful pigment in fruits and vegetables. Things like green tea, turmeric. The things I talk about in the protect section of my book, dha, that's a big one. That fish oil is a big, big protector against mycotoxin invasion into the skin cells. So DHA can preserve your brain function, but also protect the cells. It's called cytoprotective. So cyto, meaning cell. DHA is a big one. So is green tea. Those are two biggies. So yeah, that would be the. Should I do anything? If you're going to do a supplement, I think definitely those things have Been shown to protect animals from exposure since I'm an naturopathic doctor and I've used a lot of these tools in people. I just did the translational research of, like, well, if they were giving animals this much, that's probably, you know, this many milligrams per kg. That's probably translating to this many milligrams per kg of a human.

Got it. You're just kind of doing like a weight thing or something like that.

Yeah, it's a little bit different. Like, you know, it depends on if what kind of animal they did. If it's chicken versus a rat versus a mouse. Yeah. So there's some. There's some drug translational drugs conversions that we can use.

Got it. That's cool. What about general supplementation? Vitamins? Not specific to like, the mycotoxin piece? You mentioned vitamin A. I think you mentioned K a minute ago. Like, are there certain things that we should just be taking all the time?

Food?

Yeah, I. I just think, yeah. So many people are trying to supplement their way out of a junky diet, and you just can't, you know, the time it would have taken you to get online and order that supplement, get up and go steam some kale or saute some broccoli or, you know, steam some carrots or something like that. Like, or even just chomping on a raw carrot instead of making that supplement order. I really, really want to emphasize for people, food, food, food, food, food. Now you can have the perfect diet and be in mold and your body is plowing through those nutrients. So, you know, I can speak to the mold thing. I think that being on some sort of essential fatty acid, so the fish oil type range, some sort of vitamin D. Because we know now that mold blocks vitamin D and then some sort of bioflavonoid or bioflavonoid mix. I think those are just good, hearty overall things to help. And then if there's something where. Then we can get into the tweaking, you know, if you're chemically sensitive, maybe something for your liver and detox. If you're really neurologically affected, then certainly some B complex. So that's where you get into the individualization. But I would say, you know, a good healthy fat, some vitamin D and some bioflavonoids. Those are things we know that mold will plow through or block.

Got it. Okay, so one more question. On the body not. Or being depleted of some of these things because of mold, does that. Is that correlating to weight? Like, if somebody can't gain.

Sorry, I cut out for a second. If somebody is like having a hard time gaining weight, does that mean that that's because they're being nutrient depleted or. Or is that not what that means?

Little more complicated than that. The depleted thing can be with somebody who is overweight as well. So depletion doesn't necessarily always mean body weight.

And quite frankly, I think that it's the other way. I see a lot of people who have overweight problems, meaning their body fat percentage is high, who have a lot of nutrient depletions. And that's why the body is doing that in its wisdom is having to stockpile and store things until it can deal with it later.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, cool. So we got a couple left. So we have detox or not to detox. So let's summary on this one.

Yeah, so the. We had a great conversation in our last podcast about the accumulation versus detoxification meter in your body. So if you think about sort of a half circle meter and there's this needle that can bounce from left to right and it wants to be right at true north, it wants to be at that 50, 50 place, which means that if we have accumulation on one side and detoxification on the other side of that needle, that means that as exposures come in and it tips the needle to accumulation of the toxin, once the body is away from that toxin or once it ramps up detoxification, it can ramp up detoxification and get back over to the detox side for a little while and then come back to center. So the body's always wanting to do this, like, okay, I'm going to try to, you know, if you were exposed to, I don't know, pollution, say you went into the city and you got exposed to pollution, and then your body ramps up the detoxification nutrients and then the needle pops over to detoxification for a little while until it can come back and it, you know, can catch up with the pollution you're exposed to and it comes back to true north right in the middle. Being in a moldy environment puts you into a perpetual accumulation side. And we want to push the needle back to true north so that we can keep up with the detoxification. But if we push you too far.

When your body is in the needle of detoxification, you can have a lot of Herx type symptoms, pain, brain fog, mood problems, sleep issues, gut problems, all that kind of stuff. So we want to really, whether to detox or not to detox while you're still in mold. From my experience, I try to have people doing gentle detoxification without going too far. So like, I wouldn't have them necessarily do really frequent coffee enemas while they're in mold because that sends to the body a message of woohoo, we're in detox, let's go. And unfortunately then it will find way more toxin than it was expecting to dump and it'll have some symptoms. And that goes into kind of the ninth step. Things like.

Sauna therapy. Like doing a sauna every day, you might feel horrible with that because it's asking too much of a body that's already having to deal with a daily accumulation. A weekly sauna could feel great, but a daily sauna might be just too much. And that's one of the things that I'm seeing as a, as a trained naturopathic doctor with a lot of experience with some of these measures. Some of the people that come to me that I'm doing consultations with, they're just doing way too much detox. Part of detox is the nourishment part. Detox is supposed to be an on, off, on off, not a continued thing. And if you aren't giving the off part, you're not giving your body a chance to rest. Because accumulation also means accumulating nutrients. So if you're in detox mode all the time, you might be depleting yourself of nutrients.

Yeah, that's a good one. Because a lot of people, I mean, saunas are a big thing that people see of things to do to help. But yeah, I mean, it's why you need to. There's, we talk a lot and share what we can. Right. But it's, it's really why you need to work with somebody who's like looking at you specifically. Right. Because there's like these high end concepts of, yes, detoxing works, this works. But like it's, it all needs to be tailored to you. Right. Like, where are you? Right. What, what can we do and not do? You know, so, so, and listening to.

Your own body, if, you know, if your body is saying this is a lot, okay, I just told you that, you know, this is a lot, so take a break. You can always take something away and see if it was improving the situation or making the situation worse. And that doesn't mean throw the whole thing out necessarily, but probably just back off a little a bit. Yeah, yeah. So in the, in that, you know, number eight, I talk about in the course things like what are Things that we can give you. What are the primary components of making good bile? What are the primary components of feeding your microbiome and your sinus biome? What are the things that we can provide that are nutritive and allow your body to move that needle into the detox in its own way at its own pace?

Yeah, that's great. And just one thing for four folks listening. So I know we talked a lot about this stuff, right? And this, this happens, like, on our end, too. It's like, oh, we got. We learned everything we need off of this podcast, right? Like. Like, we've been talking for about an hour, but I've been talking for probably 25, 30 minutes of that hour, right? So, like, so. And I'm not the one that's. That's coming with all of this stuff, so you know that, that's why we create these things to help. And, and one thing, you know, with this course, with what you're talking about, like, and the same thing, like with me with ermicode that I just put out, like, these things we're putting out. We're trying to put things out there affordable, right, where you can get a hold of it and get actionable information that you can do things off of, which is not the equivalent of going to a doctor that doesn't take insurance and spending $600 to see somebody for 30 minutes, right? So, you know, something like this, I mean, you got. I'm learning things on this, right? So, like, you know, for those of you that are listening, if I'm learning things on this and I'm literally talking to all these people all the time, I am sure there's all kinds of value in here that we haven't even talked about, right? So I would encourage everyone to go check it out. I put the link here in the clubhouse room that people can see, but obviously people on the podcast later are not going to see this. So where can somebody come and check out the course?

Yep, they can go to my website. It's drkrista.com-r c R-I-S-T a.com in the courses tab at the top. Awesome. Yeah.

Cool. So if you have a couple minutes, I know we're, like, at an hour, but I. I know we have a couple folks in here. Do. Do I. Does anybody in here have any questions, like, for me or me or Jill that we could jump on? And if not, that's okay, too, if you don't feel like chatting, but if you do, that's the fun part of being Able to do the podcast live now is that we can do little interaction things. All right, we got a hand raise in here. I'm gonna. We're gonna bring Rebecca up here, so here we go. She's gonna pop up in here in a minute. Hey, Rebecca. What's going on?

Hi. Can you hear me?

Yeah, we can hear you. Great.

Yeah. Oh, hey, guys. I'm actually in Jill's membership, so I'm cheating with another question for her.

Thanks for doing this. I need to hear this stuff, like, over and over again.

So. Yeah, it was great. I mean, I've taken the course, but this was really helpful too, just listening to it again. But I do have a question about the bitters and the bile. And you mentioned over detoxing.

Is it possible to take too much of the Swedish bitters, like, too many times per week, too many meals? It's possible, but not probable if you have mold sickness. Yeah. I mean, I have some patients that will take two teaspoons before breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and then, like, in between if they feel a little bit sluggish in their digestion. So bitters, I think you're pretty flexible with. Great. That was my only question from all of that.

That's pretty good. That makes me feel good. Like, you got. You got it.

Yeah.

That's awesome. Well, thanks for coming in and sticking around and asking and being a part of it. This is cool.

All right, here we go. Here comes another one. This is the fun game. I love doing these things. Okay, let me get you up here.

By the way, while you're. While you're pulling the next person. Becca is part of the membership, and we have Q and A sessions and member shares and stuff every month. And that's how I can see her face in my mind right now as she was talking. It's really nice to be able to connect with people and help them. And they are so. They're such an amazing group of people and supporting each other, going through this journey together, and it's just really beautiful to see. So I'll put a little plug in for the members. They are incredible.

That's actually really great. Nary one second, please. For people that don't know what you're talking about, you just want to give a quick, like, 30 seconds on what that is.

Oh, sure. And maybe Becca can speak about that, too. It is a. It's a monthly membership where we have. It's built within my website. So once you log in and become a member, the interaction is sort of like Facebook. It kind of has A feed like that. But there are also discussion groups you can join, and then there's a bunch of resources there that are for members only. I have mycotoxin fact sheets for each mycotoxin. So you can know, like, what kind of mold is it from, what does it look like? What organ systems is it affecting with me, what do people do for it, that kind of thing. So just there's. That's an example of some of the resources people can get with inside the membership. You get to see me cooking in my kitchen if you're a recipe person. And I don't know if there's anything that Becca wants to mention about it, but it's really. And I think the greatest resource is each other, you know, so they're helping each other as well with a slightly moderated.

Feed by me.

Awesome. Yeah.

When we first launched Mold Finder's method, we included a free month for folks who actually enrolled in our course that teaches you how to find mold in your house into yours, because there's just such value in there. So I think that's super cool.

Okay. Sorry. So nary am I pronouncing this right?

Yes. You got it right. Yes.

Victory. All right. What's going on?

Hey, guys. I just. I had a question about ozone.

I was wondering if it would be useful for maintaining a mini split unit clean rather than for preventing, basically, mold growth. I. They're very hard to clean, and I recently found a device that uses ozone for maintenance. So I was wondering what you thought of that.

Yeah. Personally, I'm not a big fan of using ozone for stuff like that, because, I mean, first off, what we just heard Jill say earlier, but aside from that, ozone is very corrosive, and it doesn't just target mold or toxins or anything. It's like, anything in its path, it starts deteriorating. Right. So if we're starting to push that into a unit, into a system, then there's seals in that system. There are things that are going on in that system. They're supposed to, you know, kind of protect it from other areas, and you're gonna start breaking that stuff down and. And ultimately. And, you know, I think you end up starting to compromise the system in its entirety if you're pumping that in too much. So I wouldn't really do that. I know that mini splits are not, like, the easiest thing to maintain.

But, you know, with those guys, it's taking the front filter off, getting to the coil. You can, you know, cleaning the coil at that point where you can.

And obviously, getting into, like where the vents are, making sure that everything looks good there. And then with the mini split, there's also your condenser on the outside. Right. That's kind of. It's usually like right on the other side of the house or something, wherever that is. So just trying to make sure that functionally they work. The thing with air conditioning units and whether it's a mini spit split or like a full central system or whatever, is that the reason that mold starts growing in them is because the system is failing. That's why it starts happening. Right. So the water from the. From the coils aren't. Aren't getting moved away from the system properly. It's increasing the humidity in the system. Now, mold can grow, things like that. Right. Most H vac systems, air conditioning systems, all these, you know, the mini splits, all the different versions, the ptacs, all these things. Most of them are not impacted by stories source growth in the system. Most of them are impacted by cross contamination from sources that are in other places. Right. And so if we know that cross contamination basically moves through is particle that's essentially moving through a space and basically settling in dust reservoirs and collecting there, then simply keeping them clean. Right. And getting rid of the dirt and the dust buildup that's in them is going to be a really huge piece of. Of that. So I would lean more towards making sure everything is clean in there on a regular basis versus trying to, like, spray something in there that's going to prevent stuff that's not necessarily happening yet.

Gotcha. Thank you so much.

Yeah, no worries. Thanks. All right, well, I think that wraps us up for now. This was, in my opinion, a very successful first live podcast episode.

Yeah, I would say.

So this is excited. So this is going to be episode 100 on the podcast. I'll probably get it up in the next couple days or so. But this is super cool and super fun. So thank you. Thank you, Jill, for joining me. Thank you, everyone who popped in and out during the time and some of the questions we got at the end. I love this. I love interacting with people in this way. I think this is gonna be super fun moving forward.

Nice. Hey, congratulations. 100. That's a big accomplishment.

That's crazy. I can't even. It's nuts. I remember when I was doing like three a week. Now it's like, you know, with a baby screaming at me all the time, it's a little different. Oh, hey, Corey Levy has something to say. Welcome to the room. Welcome to the room. CO FOUNDER OF WEINSTEP Corey Levy here. Let's get him in.

He was coming up. I was just wrapping up and now here comes. Here comes Corey, fashionably late, trying to get him up here. There he is. What's up?

Hey. Hey, Corey. Hey, how are you, Dr. Jill?

I am good. Nice to hear your voice.

Nice to hear your voice. Are you doing well? Family's good?

Yeah, we're doing fantastic. Yes, thank you.

Awesome. So glad to hear that. I know it's been a while since you and I caught up and I just stepped out of a meeting and remember that you guys were doing this. I thought I'd see if you were still at it.

Of course we are. We're both very verbose people.

I know. We never shut up. Like everyone knows if you put me and Jill in a room, we're talking for three hours.

The two of your combined knowledge together, I'm sure can fill a room for. For days and days and days. I always enjoy listening to the two of you talk. So, you know, I, I appreciate all the knowledge you guys share with everybody.

Aw, thank you.

Thanks man.

Hey listen, I like your picture on the ermi code picture you guys in your gear. It's good.

Yeah, yeah.

It's now the only picture that we have of each other together. So that's the go to.

It's very, it shows you really, you know, it's very tech. We can trust you. You know what you're doing. You're wearing the gear.

We were, hey, we, we were in it. We were actually inspecting a home that day. So we were doing it. It's a real photo.

It was a real client's house, a real deal. It was all happening. Day off.

Nice.

Yeah. Hey, so we. So you just jumped on. I have like maybe five minutes.

Corey, you've never been a part of this yet. Jill, you could jump into if you want to. You guys want to do like a Parent Corner segment real quick?

So I'm going to start. I.

So, so my daughter's three. My son is three months for everybody that doesn't know, which is so freaking weird. So. So by the way, Corey, co founder, we inspect my. So the, you know, my partner and everything that we're doing. He and I had a baby within four weeks of each other just recently. Oh wow. Which was great for trying to run a company during that time. But yeah, so that was a good time. So we both have. I have a three month old. Corey has a two month old and some change now at this point.

So I am now learning what life is like with two. And it is way, way different and way more difficult. And my 3 year old is like demanding attention at all times and scream and yelling and all the things that she never used to do. And on top of it, I just mentioned before. So Corey, you have this to look forward to. Whenever it comes time for her, for him to start going, you know, it's like daycare and stuff. Just get ready to be sick all the freaking time. And I'm so. I pay money to send her to this school, right? For her to get sick, bring it back to me, spread it around the house, and then for her to miss like a week of school. I'm paying for all of this to happen. I just can't. It's hard for me to wrap my head around this. It's just very frustrating.

Well, look, you know what? If you think about it and maybe, maybe doctor, maybe Dr. Jill's gonna say something different here, but you're. You're paying to build your son's immune system, right? Because you're exposing him early on to some bad things that he will have to learn to fight in the future. Or you're paying for it to get everybody sick, whichever way you want to look at it. But maybe there's a positive to that. Hopefully.

You know what you should start doing is just start bringing Art into inspections. Just expose him to mold at a really young age.

Yeah, that's a bad idea. Well, look, you didn't say that she was getting sick from mold.

No, I didn't.

Yeah, if she's getting sick for a mold, then you need to pull her out of school.

That's true. That was, that was the first thing I did was like, hey guys, I want to come check out the room. And I like, I just want to see where she's learning and stuff. And you better believe I freaking rolled through that room looking at stuff like, I just want to make sure there's nothing going on in here that is causing a bigger problem. We actually did not put her in a school because I walked into the school and the front entryway of the school, there was a roof leak coming down. An entire wall that was like a 30 foot wall.

Was.

It felt like I was like, nope, out of this place.

Didn't go, look, turn around. Yeah.

Actually I was the parent who brought air filters to the classroom. I donated an air filter to the classroom. That's how good for you.

Yeah, amazing.

It's great. The other parents should be thanking you. They don't even know. They should have been.

They don't even know. And the teachers are like, wow, I feel really good this year. And I'm like.

I think I might know why.

Yeah, that's crazy. So Corey, what's the. You're two months in now or two months and some change. What's like the one big massive thing that you feel like?

Well, I mean, he slept for seven hours last night. So like.

That was huge. It hasn't been that for a while. So, you know, getting sleep.

Thoroughly. My wife is middle of the night duty still because she's still breastfeeding and I've been, you know, capping nighttime feed and morning feeds with him, but last night she got to sleep in. So Dara's been running around the house all happy this morning because she got.

Seven hours of sleep on it.

But you know, it's.

There are times when you want to pull your hair out and there are times when you can't imagine not having him and never realizing you could love someone so much in your life. And I've had all the emotions in the past two and a half months and it's at the end of the day just the most amazing thing.

Yeah. So Jill, yours are a little older. So what are we looking ahead to?

Oh yeah, mine are 21 now. I have 21 year old twins. So it's been a very long time since I was where you guys are right now.

Oh man, you had twins? I didn't know they were twins.

Yeah.

Oh wow, that's crazy. How was that? Did you have any other ones or. Those were the. You had the twins and that was it.

Yeah, no, that's enough. I was solo parent so that was plenty. Trying to do two by myself was.

I can't even imagine. I can't imagine having two of the baby thing going on. Like it's, it's enough having one toddler or one baby. I can't imagine having two of the baby thing going on.

Well, you know, nursing was very efficient. I had like a little horseshoe pillow and everybody ate at the same time. I was like. And I can remember thinking, what would I have done if I had three? You know, where would the other one go? I don't know. Yeah, it's a whole other twins is a whole other experience.

I mean that's the thing for us. We, I, I've always kind of wanted three. And now after the second one, I'm like, I can't imagine a third one. Like we would be outnumbered. Like right now we divide and conquer. Some nights like what do you do with the third one? Who's handling that one? Like, just running around on their own? I don't know. So I don't know if three's in the books now that we're. Now that we're into two, but that was. We'll see how it goes.

I know hormones do weird things with your brain that you start thinking that that's a good idea at some point, but I always say to people, never get outnumbered by your kids.

So get like. Get like a sister wife and then get a. Yeah, there you go.

All right, well, we'll end it on.

That's so exciting, Corey. Congrats. I didn't realize that you just had your baby.

Oh, he just. He popped off, I'll tell you.

And I've got to go, actually, too, so.

Yeah, I got to go, too. So this works out. All right. Thank you, everyone, for spending some time with us. Thank you, Jill. We'll obviously talk to you soon. Have a great one.

Yeah, sounds good. Bye.

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