Tips for Running Your Small Business from Home – Small Business Show 135

The Small business show episode 135 for Wednesday, September 6, 2017. Greetings, folks, and welcome to the Small Business show here at businessshow Co. The show by, for and about small business owners here, as always or as usual. In Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton.

And in Lafayette, California, I'm Shannon Jean. How's it going?

It's going, man. It's. You know, I am. And this show will be no different, but I'm always like, Mr. Positivity, you know?

Yes.

It's how I am.

It's important.

I am a human, though. And this, like, the last, I don't know, four days or whatever has been like, not Mr. Negativity for me. But, you know, I have my down times. Like, all of us. Like, we all do. Yeah. So this has just been one of those. Those weeks where I'm just a little blue for no particular reason. But, you know, any of the crap that happens, it is. Is far. Is felt far deeper than it usually is for me. But it's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I think that, you know, I've just went. Finished up this massive transition of shutting this warehouse down out here as we shifted all our stuff to another state and everything. And. And I. I found myself having that kind of more frown on. On my face during saw. And I was like, man, you know, I don't. I'm like, Mr. Positive. Try to keep things going.

You and I are the same way. Like that.

Yeah. And. But I sat here. Wow. I'm really going to have to actually make a concerted effort to put that, like, smile. Or in my case, I, you know, maybe a smirk, which is a great word. Yeah. And one of the things, like I've always told my kids is I always say, hey, you know, one of the best ways to really bother people is if you want to, is to have a smile on your face because people are like, what is this guy so happy about all the time?

Right.

You know, and. And it's great because it's just sometimes it really pisses people off and you're like, yeah, whatever.

Yeah, I got you. Yeah.

It's like, it's. I'm living a charmed life and I'm gonna be happy about it. But.

Yeah, and that's really what it is. It's like I just. Most of the time, and even today, I mean, I just choose to be happy, but there is that undercurrent that is, you know, the human in all of us. And it's like sometimes it's just like you know, that's just a little blue.

Yeah, that's normal. And yeah, it is.

It's okay, right?

It is okay.

Right.

And you know, one of the things in, in my case, there's lots of new things going on because for the first time in 24 years, I don't. I have no office to go to in the morning.

Wow.

And now I have a place to go. I go up in the studio, which is up the hill behind my house. I mean, it's not a studio in the sense like your music studio, but you've been here.

Yeah, yeah. It's very similar. It is detached from your home.

Yes, it is. Which I think is very helpful.

Yes.

And so being I'm a new work at home guy where, you know, my warehouse is in Texas now and, you know, I guess telecommuting, that kind of stuff, I thought since I talk with a guy each week about, you know, small business and you've done, you know, work. Been working out of your home for. Ever since I've known you. Yeah, yeah. That we would talk about this and maybe you could give me some tips. And I found some couple articles and I could, you know, ask you some questions and we could, we could share with our readers, you know, the journey of me making this shift. So far, it's been a little bumpy, but, you know, I think it's just going to take some time to kind of get my routine and get my setup.

It will.

Yeah. And I'm gonna be perfectly honest with.

You right out of the gate. Yes, you will, you will go through this routine and then you will enter a zone where you're like, totally stoked. And you may actually already be in that zone. Right. Where you're totally stoked to be able to kind of have the flexibility of that working at home provides and all of that. And then after some unspecified amount of time, and it might be years, in fact, it probably will be, you will miss having that office environment. And so there's many things and, and I've learned to do some of them, but I still miss having the office. Sure. To. To sort of account for that and, and take the place of that.

Yeah, yeah. And I, and I definitely, you know, I mean, the pros and cons, you know, like you're talking about, and I mean, the camaraderie, that kind of thing.

The motivation of being around other people, even if it's other people that you are ultimately responsible to pay to work it, like there is that. That energy is a real thing. And it, it actually, you Know, it's a, it's a motivator.

Yeah. So what have you, what have you put in place of that? I mean, to like. It's also sounds like it's that structure, right? Yes, it kind of. Oh, I've got to be in the office at 8 o' clock because everybody's going to be there. I'm going to have to answer some questions. You know, I would do my normal walk through. How's everything going? What do you got on your plate? Any problems, Anything I can solve, you know, for help you solve. And then I would go in my office, you know, so now I don't have that. I don't have to. Well, I, you know, I hit, you know, come up to my office up on the hill here and you know, I have questions. Certainly people are answering me and I'm helping, you know, the, the group that bought my company. I'm, I'm still answering questions with them all daily and helping them and in Slack and that kind of thing. But um. So have you put something in place of that that you know, kind of kicks your butt up into your office?

Yeah, I have. I mean I have a routine. I generally. And it's, it's easier in a sense when my kids are back in school, which they are now because I get up with them in the morning. Like all summer I was up before anybody else in the house, but that was even later than I am now. Right. You know, but so I'll get up and the kids actually were in one of those school districts that's, that's trying desperately to be progressive. And so we moved all of our start times later this year. So the kids are at School at 8:15. That's when their first bell is.

Yeah.

Which is great. So I get up about 7:30, but I'm in the office. They leave, they like to get there early. So they leave about 10 of 8, which is great. I'm in the office by 8 because I walk over with them and it works, works out perfect. And then once I'm here, I do, I launch Slack, which we use and it's always been something. I mean we've been doing this almost 20 years and so it used to be Skype or actually it used to be aol. Aol, right, Exactly.

We did it too.

Yep. And then Skype and then Slack. But whatever that is, I launched that and I say hello and actually two different Slack rooms in our backbeat Slack room and our Mac observer slack room.

That's interesting. So you come like, oh hey, good Morning, guys. You know, kind of thing. So they know you're there.

They know I'm here now.

That's cool.

Often I am the first one in. Okay. And that's just how it works now. Not all the time. Sometimes somebody else is there and they'll also say hello, but I just say, hello, hey, I'm here. You know, and I might even say, I'm here all day today, or I'm here, you know, here's. If I've got something that is going to bring me out of the office or whatever, I just sort of like, here's the deal. And then that encourages everybody else to do that, too. And it starts sort of the water cooler conversation, which is. Which is the one thing I've found. And this is different from being a solopreneur where, you know, you don't have anybody that is, you know, I mean, people always say your employees are, you know, beholden to you or responsible to report to you. I feel certainly that's true.

But.

But I feel that the opposite is true. Like, I am here working for them, too.

That's right. We've talked about this on the show. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah. So. So it's sort of. It encourages that. But I've found that I have to create the artificial inter. Like an artificial need for interaction that would normally happen. Like, it seems bizarre. Like, we have staff meetings. At Mac observer, we have staff meetings every day. Now, if we were actually in an office, I would never let that happen because it's massively unproductive.

Yes, yes.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

At Backbeat, we do them four days a week. And because I like the idea. Now at Backbeat, we also. Most of the year, although not in this time of year with Q4 and stuff coming up, because that's our big time. Most of the year, we actually officially take a day off in the middle of the week. We take Wednesdays off, or the sales team does. But even during Q4, when. When we don't take any time off, we don't meet on Wednesdays because I think it's. I know for me, it's good to have a day where you can just sort of dive deep into something and you don't have to worry about, you know, if you. If you want to schedule other meetings, obviously that's up to you, but.

And maybe I missed this. Do you do. Do you have that meeting within Slack or you do it in Skype or.

Yeah, we do it on video.

You do video? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask is because that's another thing that you get that face to face interaction.

Exactly. So we do it on video. If you have a paid Slack account, you can do video group meetings in Slack. If not, Google Hangouts is right there. And it works totally fine.

That's great.

So, yeah, so we do a video meeting with Mac Observer. We do it every day. We really try to limit the Mac observer meetings to 15 minutes.

Yeah, that's good.

You know, it's just talk about the content, sort of get an idea. I mean it. We have things that we do and we meet. But I am keenly aware that when there's five, six or seven people in a meeting, you know, if you've got five people in a meeting for 30 minutes, well, yeah, you know, you just burn two and a half hours of time.

Yeah, that's true.

That's bad, right? I mean, well, it's bad if it's not abs. If it's not two and a half hours worth of value for your company. Right, that's correct.

Yeah.

So. So I'm aware of the risk of it. But at the same time, you got to have. I feel like you've got to. If you don't have that regular meeting, everybody starts to feel like they're in their own little silo and, and gets into ruts in their own little silos. And that's bad.

Yeah, that's.

And I, and I say everybody, and I am very much including myself in that.

Sure.

Now, there are times when it's, it's nice and there, there will be days where any one of us will say, hey, I can't make the meeting today. And that's okay. We don't generally question that unless, you know, we need that person at the meeting. But sometimes it's that, you know, they're on another call or they've got, you know, some. Something booked. But other times it's, you know, I've got my head down and I am kicking ass on whatever it is I'm kicking ass on. And I don't want to interrupt it with, you know, the daily dribble. And I use that term dismissively, but it's not. Yeah, but it, you know, like minutia, the minutiae of the day. Like, you know what? Everybody else, we all know how to do this. We all cover for each other. Today is the day for the rest of you to cover for me is what a person is saying when they do, when that happens. And it's fine. Yeah, that's cool. But that's a departure to the structure versus, you know, the norm of just showing up and, and just, you know, winging it every day. Yeah, because that's bad. Showing up and winging it every day is, is what you want to avoid.

Yeah. And, you know, this, this article that we'll link to from inc.com they talk about, you know, really identifying what needs to be done and, you know, whether it's a to do list or your slack stuff, whatever, however you want to do it, but, you know, knowing that or being disciplined to say, okay, here's the things I'm getting done, but, you know, by the end of the day, by the end of the hour, whatever you're going to do, you know, we've had that. We did the 20 minute. What was that technique? The 20 minute timer.

Yeah, the Papa Doc technique. It's not Papa Doc, Whatever it is the Papa Giorgio.

Some sort of tomato. The 20 minute tomato timer.

The palmetto method. I don't know what it was.

No.

Pomodoro.

Pomodoro.

That's it.

Yeah, yeah. That Bob Levitis talked to us about, where he sets 20 minute tasks and takes small breaks to keep him, you know, focused. And I thought that that's another great idea to, you know, to do that because I could see yourself kind of, you know, or wallowing or getting a bit lost without some sort of guidance, you know, especially coming from an office environment where a lot of my day was, was kind of left unstructured so people could approach me and have me help them with things.

Yes. So. So here's some advice for you. You want to keep that because that's, that's valuable. But it's very different when someone walks into your office. They can see what you're up to. Right. And that person may have walked by your office three times before they walked in with whatever that problem is. Maybe, maybe not. But if they see that you're on the phone or, you know, you're knee deep in something like, you know, you get visual cues that like five minutes later than right now might be a much better time to interrupt. Shannon. Right?

Yes.

You have to remember that this is, this is one of the hardest things to do, especially for me, because suddenly somebody will have, you know, some issue that is my job to help them with. And they are interrupting me at absolutely the worst time. Like I'm.

Yeah. So a slack message comes across to you, right? Yeah, yeah. Because they don't know.

They have no idea. How could they possibly know? Right, right. And so here they are interrupting me and, and instantly there's that frustration of, oh, seriously, like right now, you know, but again, you have to remember they just don't know. So sometimes it's, in all cases it's, you have to remember they're not doing this maliciously because that, for me, that's like, the human reaction is like, why are you doing this to me? Like, it'. Vindictive. They're just, they have a question, they work for you, it's normal. And so, you know, you sort of have to remind yourself of that. But also you have to figure out a way for yourself to manage that because there will be times when it's like, hey, not right now, you know, I got your note. Ping me in five minutes or I'll ping you back in five minutes, whatever that is. Or, yeah, you know what, I can put this aside and I can take this call or talk to this person or do whatever it is I need to do for you, and then, and then I can get back to it. But those interruptions will come at, those interruptions at infrequent times or inconvenient times will come far more frequently when you are alone in an office and no one can see what you're doing.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yep. Yeah, it totally makes sense.

And so you just have to, you have to be ready for that and just deal with it and know that whatever emotional reaction you have to it is yours and yours alone.

Yeah. And don't let that taint your, how you respond.

Right, Correct. Because I found where I'm like, you know, rushing someone, rushing through something, it's like, whoa, this is the worst thing that I could possibly do for my business. And yet it's, you know, I want to get back to whatever it was I was doing. Yeah, that's fine.

Well, for me, yeah. What I feel already just a few days into this is the, the stuff starts piling on. Right. Where before I could easily respond instantly. And if you're my finger snap like that, that's how I did it. But you know, I could say, oh, do this. But when I'm now, you know, I'm getting contacted via Slack or an email or something and you know it's going to take me, I have to stop what I'm doing in a much more formal manner to respond and it may take some, some back and forth interaction that's not as fluid as responding quickly. And so I have to be careful how I, how I structure this. So.

But you don't want to get into a habit of ignoring your employees either, right? I mean, that's right. It's a balancing act. That's, it's one of the most difficult things.

Yeah, yeah. And I find myself, you know, I'm using the term standby, you know, much more frequently. So they know, hey, this means that I'm going to get to you in a few minutes, but you're just going to have to hang tight until I finish this other task or something.

And if you are using Slack and if you're not, you know, think long and hard about why you're not. Yeah, exactly. But Slack has a reminders feature.

Yeah.

That most people don't know about. So it, it has two very, very different ways of implementing it. One is if you just, you know, like float over a message. There's the little message actions thing. And one of them is remind me about this inner 20 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours tomorrow or next week. That alone is huge. Right. Because I can, if I need to do something where I tell somebody to stand by, I will always set a 20 minute reminder. Even if my intention is to get back to you in five minutes, I might, you know, find myself down the rabbit hole of whatever it is I'm currently doing. And five minutes isn't enough. So that comes back up. So at least I'm not forgetting.

Yeah, that's great.

The other thing you can do is you can actually just go into Slack and type a new message and say slash remind and from there it will actually explain to you how to do the rest. But if you type slash remind, I can type a reminder for you at 9am tomorrow to do something for me. That's great and you'll get. I won't even get a reminder at 9:00am you will. And so this is one of those things I use when it's. I don't like pestering my team during what I call non working hours. We are all obsessive about our email and our Slack. And Even if it's 2am on a Saturday, if I'm awake, I will see whatever someone sends me. And I know that is also true of all the people that work for me. But I don't want to get in the habit of them feeling like they need to respond to me at 2am on a Saturday unless there's an emergency. And then yes, I actually do want them to respond so as not to be the person that cries wolf. I will set reminders. Like if it's 2am on a Saturday and I realize, hey, I would like to have, you know, Jeff do this thing for me, I'll put a reminder in on Monday to Jeff to say, hey, man, you know, will you do this for me? And then that way it's off my. I don't have to remember it anymore. It's off my plate and it's not yet on his. But it will be when the time is right.

No, it's great. I like it. Yeah, I think it's totally cool.

Yeah.

So another, another thing that I, I like in this article is one of their tips is get dressed. And you know, I think that routine, like you're talking about getting up, getting your kids ready for school, I mean, do you do this? Do you make sure you get up just like you're going to work and you get, you know, get dressed, shaved or whatever if you, you know.

Yeah, yeah, I might, I might. That. That's sort of the one thing that I, I don't necessarily do. Like, that's the, that's the, the, the bonus that I give myself.

Yeah.

I don't have to bother shaving.

Yeah, yeah.

But school, I do. I get up, I put on. I generally try to put on, you know, not like sweatpants.

That's good. I like that.

Okay.

No sweatpants.

No sweat. The no sweatpants rule. Right. You know, because I'm going to work and I am ready. I know. And this is part of why I do this. I know that I'm going to be on video chat with my team at some point in the day.

Yes.

And we'll talk about timing of those calls later.

Oh, yeah.

But I know that I'm going to be on, so I'll put on. I usually try to put on like a collared shirt or something nice and not just a ratty T shirt. I don't actually care all that much if one of my team members shows up in a ratty T shirt like you do.

You.

And like, I understand that one of the perks of working from home is that you can actually do that and it really doesn't matter. So I don't care. But for me, I put on, you know, what I consider a nice shirt or a not ratty shirt.

Not ready shirt. Pants. Doesn't have to be a collared shirt.

No, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

But I'll do that. The no sweatpants rule. And I will comb my hair.

That's great. Yeah, I gotta remember that one. Yeah, that's. No, no hats.

No, I. And I, I mean, look, there are some mornings where, Yeah. I, you know, like, if I get up at like 4am or whatever, sometimes it happens. I Wake up really early. I, you know, my mind is racing, can't sleep. It's a. To me, that's a great bonus of having the office within, you know, walking distance of my. My home.

Yeah. You can run up there and do some stuff.

I can just go and get work done. And then suddenly it's time for a meeting and it's like, oh, I look like a freaking maniac. So, yes, I'll grab a hat. And I always keep hats in the office for this reason. I also always keep a collared shirt in my office. If I wind up, you know, like, I got to do a video call with a client or something like that, I can. I can throw a collared shirt on, even over a ratty shirt if I happen to be, you know, ratty that day. And it's just good to go. So that's great. But, yeah, I comb my hair to me, because that's something that's easy for me to not do. And so the intention of combing my hair is part of that mental prep of. Yep. You're going. You're, you know, you're going to work. Yeah, you're going to work. Yeah, exactly.

Just wallowing around your house, getting some extra stuff.

Exactly. Right. Because my kids, you know, they actually love it when I come down and my hair is like, you know, crazy or whatever. They're like, oh, wow. Yeah. You know, but yeah.

Yeah, that's cool. And how about. So another tip on this list was don't let friends stop by. You know, have a clear, you know, if. If, you know, if you want to go to lunch, great, you can do your friends over. But if somebody comes over or wants to come by in the middle of the day or in the morning, whatever, and you have to say, oh, you know, I'm sorry, I'm at work. And it's like, you know, boundaries are only as effective as they are enforced. This. Yeah. I mean, have you. Have you found that. That. I mean, I don't know if you live remotely or not. I mean, out there and.

No, we're actually around lots of people. So I. That is something that I have to be. I, I mean, I. I don't. That I don't have to work at anymore, but I do remember initially having to work at it. And it's not just friends. It's your family, too, especially if you have kids at home.

Well, that's the next thing I was going to ask about is letting. Setting those boundaries, you know, this article suggests putting a stoplight on your door, you know, Red, yellow or green? You know, it's green. It's okay. Yellow. You need to check with me. Red. No way. I'm working. Don't bother me.

Right?

And.

I don't even know that you want green or yellow as part of.

That, because you're at work.

You're at work. And I remember, you know, because I've been doing this since before either of my kids were born, so they were used to this. And now I do have an oven. For the last 12 years, I've had an office that's separate from my house. I mean, it's on the same property, but like you, it's a separate building. Initially it was just. We had converted half of our garage, so it was right off of our playroom downstairs. And. And I remember hearing through the door one day, you know, my daughter had a friend over or something, and they were like, you know, four or five or something, and her friend was like, oh, let's go say hi to your dad. And I remember hearing my daughter say, no, no, he. He's working.

Yeah.

And it was like, oh, okay. Yeah, they're trained. Like, they understand. But I also, same daughter, one day she just burst into my office on her way in saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But. But what she was there to tell me was that her two year younger brother, who at the time was like one, was choking. And my wife had asked her to come down and get me. Obviously, that's okay. And she knew it was okay, but she was still apologizing on the way in. And I'm like, no, you don't have to apologize. What's going on? She says Lucas is choking. It's like, okay, I'll be right there. I'm coming with you, right?

Yeah.

Here we go.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

So.

But that. I see that as a perk, like my kids choking. I don't. I'm not 20 minutes away. This is.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Now, I think it is a real big bonus to have a separate structure to go to. Like, one of these tips here, you know, is stay out of the kitchen. You know, is that you really have to, you know, keep away from that. And for me, you know, I have to walk down, you know, through our backyard and all kind of stuff back to sophisticated. However, I do have a fridge about five feet from me in the studio, but there's, you know, the only thing in it is beer, which can be problematic as well.

Yeah, that's a whole other conversation that's correct.

That's correct. But I would think that could be. You got to have discipline to be like, okay, I'm gonna have lunch and I'm going back and you know, get my thing. And, you know, I think that's, that could be challenging.

Although there are times where if I feel myself and this probably, you know, if I codified this, it would probably be something along the lines of that, you know, pomegranate method, whatever it is, where if I notice that I'm sort of drifting, I will take a walk back to the house, get some nuts or whatever. Because we keep a bowl of nuts or whatever in the kitchen, eat that, you know, just sort of reset my brain. And you know, we're talking about a four minute excursion here and then I'm back in the office. Because keeping snacks at your desk, like, that's a, that can be a dangerous thing. Yeah, yeah.

Well, and getting up and moving around I think is really important. And I think it also, you know, it goes back to the, that the benefit, the flexibility of, you know, why you're enjoying working from the house is it allows you to get up and walk around or take the dog for a walk or, you know, and I think it's important too, not to, you know, or what I find myself doing, even when I was at my office is always just grabbing something quick for lunch and sitting right at my desk and just work, powering right through it. And you know, I took 15 minutes. That's enough. Where you really need to step away to keep yourself fresh and to keep the creative, you know, juices flowing, you know, and keep your, your, your attitude up and.

Yeah, totally. No, no, no, you, you need to have those breaks away. And if you, the good part is, and I'm actually curious as you sort of get into this, you are coming very fresh from an experience of being in your office every day. And so I'm curious as you get into this, working from home every day, you will, I am almost certain that you'll find that you're spending more hours at your desk than you did previously because you, like you said you can walk around to do those sort of check ins with people, but at the same time you were also walking. It wasn't like, you know, you're doing something in email and then your web browser and it's like, oh, I should check in with people. So now you bring up the slack window. You do that for, you know, 42 seconds and check in with the team. Then you're right back to email. That was A, you know, seven and a half minute excursion for you, even if nobody had anything. And those breaks, though, you know, they're the focus. Breaks are important. Yeah.

Yeah.

I have a couch in my office.

Yeah.

And I leave an iPad on my couch.

And.

And sometimes I will just go over there. And one of the things I try to do every morning is go through all my feeds, not just for my news feeds, not just for me, but also looking for articles or things that perhaps the team at Mac observer should cover. And I'll send those off to their slack room. But I never do that at my computer. I always do it. I get up, I refresh my tea or whatever, and I go sit on the couch and I do this. And it's all like. I feel like I'm in a different world when I do that.

Yeah, I like that. That's great. I think that to me, you know, just in the short time that I've been here, it's. I think that is critically important that you don't get just stuck in that habit. I mean, we're all looking for habits. It's kind of a human thing, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Like right now, I mean, my life is chaos because it's completely disrupted. I've got, you know, four different computers running on this big table which might not, you know, which is not quite my desk yet. And, you know, I'm like, okay, it'll be great to get into a routine eventually, but then that, that can become dangerous as well.

So.

Yeah, become a rut, which is horrible. So, so coming up with these ways to, you know, break up the, the. I mean, let's face it, sometimes you get some monotony in your day. And so that. I think that's, That's a really good thing. And, you know, I'll continue to. We'll check back in and see how things are going. And if I hit. Hit any walls of, you know, where I need some, some expert advice, we'll ask listeners. And if you've been working at home forever or you have some tips, we would certainly love to hear from you. Feedbackusinessshow Co. Or jump over to, you know, businessshow Co Facebook and talk to us in the small business support group.

I have one last thing I'm gonna add.

Yeah.

Because this is something that I've done with myself only recently, like in the last, you know, maybe not quite year is. And this is probably good even if you're in your own office, but certainly if you're in an office environment, but certainly at home. Just like you would for your employees, where you kind of might give them guidance on, here's what I need from you this week or this month. Treat yourself the same way.

Interesting. Yeah.

Make yourself accountable to you, like, because there's all kinds of stuff that you can sit down and do at your desk every day. But it's really. I found it really helpful to say, okay, what do I want out of me this week? Okay, great. You know, here's these. These two things, and I am, you know, very aware of the fact that I can't possibly fill up all of my time ahead of time, because then I can't do the things I need to do for other people.

Sure.

But, you know, saying, okay, look, there's going to be, you know, a day and a half of worth of work that serves this longer, this greater purpose, and this is what I need out of me this week. And I found that to be really helpful.

Yeah. Yeah, I like it. That's great. Well, those are some great tips, I think that, you know, so far, so good getting the start on things. Just have to kind of, you know, get things settled down here and, you know, enjoy the change of scenery and. Yeah, man, keep. Keep pounding ahead and. And, well, that's what it is.

It's just figuring out how to. How to keep your energy up and your focus up and. And all of that stuff. I mean it. You know, there are huge benefits to working from home. Sure. And you just need to make sure that they don't become the pitfalls.

Yeah, that makes sense. Awesome. Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

It's what we do. Keep living that charmed life, man.

Yeah, I'm. It.