Metta World Peace - Winning The 2010 NBA Championship With Kobe Bryant

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All right, what is going on, everyone? Casey Adams here. Welcome back to the Rise of the Young podcast. On today's episode, I am very excited to say that we have the one and only Meta World Peace on the show with us. Thanks so much for coming on the show, Meta man.

Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me. Everything's really good. And I see your Instagram is blowing up, so you're obviously doing something good, something that you love.

I appreciate it.

It's always good to be a voice.

Absolutely, man. And for everyone that's listening, man, you've had such an incredible career in the NBA with a championship title, and your story is just absolutely amazing. And the first question I want to ask you, man, because I grew up playing sports. I played hockey for 10 years, and I played hockey and football. I've always had a passion for basketball as well. But when did you know that you wanted to go into the NBA? And what was your childhood like when it comes to basketball?

You know, I knew I wanted to go to NBA. I would say, as a child, you dream of the NBA. I didn't think I could. I didn't think I could play in the NBA. I didn't even care about the NBA. Like, playing in the NBA. I don't think that started to happen until I was around, like, 13, 14. But I always knew that maybe even before the ages of 13, I was like, oh, wow, like, I might be able to play in the NBA and. But I didn't believe it. I'm like, I'm not that good. You know, I got to be really good. So when I started to work hard and I got older, I'm like, oh, my goodness, I might have a shot. So I didn't. I didn't. I never wanted to play in the NBA. You know, there was other things that I wanted to do, both good and bad. It was a couple things I wanted to do good and bad. More important than the NBA?

Yeah, that's what's up, man? When. And I want to just, you know, I want this conversation to be very impactful for young athletes out there, for people that want to make that decision to go to the NBA. What was your mindset, like when you committed to saying, hey, I'm not sure if I can do this, but I'm gonna commit to working my ass off and go into the NBA? Like, what was your mental frame of mind when you decided to make that choice?

I mean, well, originally, like, you know, so like, my couple, my family members that did time for, like, selling drugs, you know, they were all in the streets, right? So it was times about being a house and, you know, cooking up, making. Making the drug stretch, selling it. You know, you buy it for amount, sell it for three times the price. And then that was more. That was really intriguing. I'm like, well, I want to be a big drug dealer, you know? And then when you see people dying, getting hit, my family, my cousin got beat up with a bat really bad. And I'm like, I don't think I want to be a drug dealer. I'm just like, I don't think I want this, right? So I just like. And through that whole time, I'm just like, okay, I'm playing ball. I'm not that good. I'm losing a lot of games. I remember I couldn't really win at an early age, so. And then, so basketball, streets, right? So it's like, okay, education, I'm not that great, but I don't want to really be in the streets, so I gotta work hard. But then I'm failing every class, right? So I'm not even passing. So I'm like, damn, I'm dumb, right? So I was like, okay, just keep working hard. So I started to play basketball, then I started to play other sports. And the reason I was playing football or baseball was it was time away from the neighborhood. Because if you sit in the neighborhood all day and you're not being productive, you're eventually going to get in trouble.

Yeah.

So it was more of a thing for me where just play sports, sweat, play on an empty stomach, play seven games on an empty stomach, eat a banana, maybe a bag of chips, played another game, you know, drink some water from the faucet, from the. From the fire hydrant, you know, and that was. Was to stay positive, you know, it never had anything to do with, you know, going to the league, so.

Yeah, that's so cool. And going from that to, you know, 2010, winning an NBA title with Kobe on the Lakers, just. Your journey has been so incredible. Going from someone that's like, hey, maybe I want to become a drug dealer or that life's not for me. But take us to 2010, when you won your first NBA title. What was that day like for you? You hit the buzzer beater, Kobe passed you the ball. Talk to us about that moment in that day.

Amazing, man. Yeah, yeah. When you think of life, man, you think of something, you know, it's like anything you want in life. Right. Some people grow up and they want a family, they want to be married. Right. They want a dog, they want to be a scientist. Like, anything you want out of your life. Right. And basketball was like, for me, as I got older, I'm like, I'm pretty good now, man. I would love to play basketball. Oh, wow. Not only would I want to play basketball and make some money, but now I would like a championship. Yeah. Right. So now, if you look at my career, 2003, 2004, I was pretty solid player. I was on my way to becoming a great player. Yep. Averaging like 23, 24 at the age of 23. Yep. And then, like, you know, I go through the brawl, and then, you know, things change. My career takes a huge turn. Very similar to if you're driving a car and it's wet and your tires are slippery and you gotta gain control of the car. With that being said, I think winning a championship was not on my mind anymore. It was like, more like, get stable, find yourself. And that was it.

Yeah.

And 2010 comes, you know, I'm a more stable person. I'm more focused on the game. I'm doing better. And Kobe's there for me because I don't need the lead. Because you got to be. To lead, you got to be stable. Right. You got to be LeBron Kawhi, Dwyane Wade. Right. I was on a level at one point in time, but I wasn't leading. Right. So now you've got Kobe Powell, Bynum Fisher, Lamar Sasha, Luke Walton, Coach Jackson. Right. Leading the act. Like, oh, wow, I can follow the lead. 2010 comes, I win a championship. Major part of the championship, and wow, I got one. And then when I thought about it, I'm like, as I think about psychiatrists, thinking about therapist, I'm like, oh, I get it. I. I accomplished one of my goals. Right. And I mean, it was one of the best feelings in the world. I should have had three championships. Definitely two. One or two at Indiana. Maybe three if I stay at Indiana. For my career.

Yeah. For sure.

Maybe three. You know, you talk about trade, you talk about Donnie Walsh, you talk about team that was ready to best in the league, and you talk about keep. You know, you win, then you adjust the teams. You know, woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Yep.

I like woulda, shoulda, coulda sometimes. Okay.

What did that championship mean to you, man?

It meant a lot, man. It meant that the basketball gods really understood, you know, my pain inside, which was it's like, you know, probably making millions. You're on television, everything should be perfect, but it's not, right. And not only is not perfect in your life, but you're self destructing, so you're. And because it's not perfect, you're killing your career. You're throwing it away. You're throwing it away, right? I don't want to throw it away, but I am throwing it away, right? So it's like, I think the basketball guards were just like, son, you're throwing it away. But I understand. I understand, because if anybody was in my head back then, it was just like. I don't know how else to explain it. I don't know how else to explain it. You know, I tried my best, and then, like, you know, to win the title, I'm like, wow, this is the best feeling outside of my kids. And, you know, when you get. You get married and different things like that is amazing. But damn, basketball to win a championship.

Yeah.

I mean, I literally didn't want anything else in life after that.

That's so crazy, man. I want to just address something that I know a lot of the listeners would love your opinion on, and something that's a subject in 2020 that a lot of people just had to mourn over it, which was Kobe's passing. How did that affect you? And how have. How has that experience and situation taught you something?

Colby's passing, huh?

Yeah.

That was crazy. I was at my house and my wife told me. Did you hear? And I'm just like, no. Actually, my wife didn't tell me. I was downstairs about to make like a bowl of cereal or something, and a guy that I brought to a game to meet Kobe, one of my friends to meet Kobe, first time he ever met Kobe. I got a ticket. I said, hey, I got a ticket. Let's go to the game. He calls me in the morning and says, yo, Kobe. He texted me. Since Kobe died, I never call him back. Usually I text. They meet me at the game. What's up? How you doing? Just text. And I called him back and said what I thought it was like a fake. You know, sometimes news just people dying and stuff. Sometimes. And then when I said, then, I got a text from some friends. My wife came downstairs, and I called Kevin Garnett. I'm like, yo, this is true. I never called Kevin. I just. Me and Kevin text. I said, yo, did you hear this? And he was like, yo, it's true. I said, you sure? It's true. It's true. Then I spoke to Lou Williams. And then once Williams say it's true, and you know, damn. And then the Williams was like, damn, all the babies passed away. I'm like, oh, my goodness. It was just non stop, right? So I'm just on my couch. And then I got a call. It wasn't all the babies. It was all the other kids. One of his children and other kids. I thought it was the baby, Gigi and the rest of the kids. Then I'm like, where's the bus, Vanessa? On the plane. Oh, boy. I'm on helicopter. It was crazy. It was, you know, it was crazy. I still. I moaned, you know, off and on. I was trying to be. I was trying to be tough because, like, I know Kobe. And I'm like, how do you honor Kobe in this moment? How do you honor Kobe in this moment? So I personally feel that you honor him by staying tough. You know, you honor him. You honor him by, you know, by just being yourself and getting through it. Fighting. Fighting through the grief. Fight through it, fight through it. Try not to show no emotions. Try not to show no. No pain. Get through it. And then, like, that's impossible to do. So then eventually I said, okay, just let it out and whatever, you know, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts. And then, you know, so I was able to start becoming more emotional, which I was happy with because it was all bottled up and I was so angry. I was so. I was so angry, you know, when he passed away, you know, just like, you know, I need to get a hold of myself. So I had to identify that I was angry, you know, so then, you know, just start meditating more, breathing more. And then Covid happens. Yeah, we. I didn't even finish mourning. I didn't even finish grieving. I didn't finish, you know, Covid was super, you know, now multiple people are at risk of dying, right? So it's like, oh, whoa, switch the channel. Switch the channel. I could die, right? Good Lord. Right? So, you know, 2020 was an interesting year, right? Very, very interesting year. And then the death on television happened, right? That, you know, it's sad to say this, but it wouldn't have been as bad if he would have got off his neck in a minute. Right. I don't think you would have seen protests. And that sounded. That's really bad. I'm not giving no advice to just lay on somebody's neck for a minute. No, no, I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying is the way it happened, it caused the world to like, no, this is enough. The world, the world, the world, the world. Right? And even before that, social injustice, Covid brought the world together on a positive note, which is really cool, because, you know, the world was like, the older people can die, right? So the world said, stay in the house because we know we got a chance to survive. But the people in the nursing homes, that's on their deathbed, people at hospices, your grandparents, that's who we're fighting for. And nobody was saying, we're fighting for the black parents, our Indian parents, our white grandparents. We were right. People would just protect the older people. That's why you stay in the house. That's why you stay in the house. That was an amazing thing. Right. You seen the world come together. Right. And then the world came together more on a negative note with the social injustice.

Right.

So. And then the world came together when Kobe passed. Right. It's like.

It's just like, this is unbelievable moments this year.

Yeah, you said what I said.

There's been a lot of, like, big moments this year that have brought people together. Positive, negative altogether. I do want to. I want to touch on something, too, that, you know, that changes the subject a bit about the projects that you're working on, because I know that you have some cool things that you've been working on that can really be a positive impact to athletes all over. So I'd love for you to touch on what you're working on and what it means to you and how people can get involved.

Yeah, man. So, like, my projects is great. So it's been tough because of COVID happens. In my basketball project, X versus X Sports was. It was dependent on people being together. So I can help you find basketball games, right? So Covid happens, and it's like, whoa. So even before that, I was already focusing on turning athletes into digital assets. Not even just professional athletes. Any person that wants to play. So that's one of our goals, and turn athletes into digital assets. So we was already going down that path. Luckily, I was already going down that path, and I was able to say, okay, we don't know how long people are going to be not be able to play or there's going to be rules. So experts at sports is, you know, want to help you find basketball games and also we want you to have a good experience. So, you know, we have different features where it's gonna be engaging whether you can play basketball or not. I think, I think basketball players would be really, really happy with the product. So we've been raising some money, you know, on the business side, raising money. We got influencers involved. We're in beta right now, so I'm really excited about it. I still think there's an opportunity to serve as basketball players, even if we have issues, even if we go through a second wave. What if we go through a second wave of COVID Yeah. Right. So what does a basketball player do at that time? Right. And I'm. That's what I think about a lot. Like, how do you keep a basketball player active and emotionally happy, you know, through this time? So that's what Extras Exports app is about. And it's out. We're in beta. We have an invite code and it's basically a 24 to 37 for three. Yeah, we give it out, but we don't. We ask people. If you tell people about the app, only tell a couple people. We don't want a lot of people on the app right now.

Keep it low key.

I mean, I'm Martin.

Yeah, you're keeping it low key. I love it low key.

Yeah.

Very cool. So talk to me about your transition from basketball. You know, now that you're building these apps and you have these businesses, I mean, I think that's a topic that someone that grew up as an athlete, nothing professional, but it's like, okay, what does that transition like mentally? Right. When you step off, when you step off the court, where does your mind go? How do you think? What's your daily habits and what was that transition like for you?

So I played 18 years pro, they say 16 years, but the one year I got suspended, I was still a hell of a player. So I count that year, that's 17. And then the year I went overseas, that was not my fault. That was the teams didn't want me, but I was good enough to play. So that's another one. Then I came back for two years, Right. So when I officially had no more opportunities to play in the NBA, but I was good enough, but they just said, yeah, we don't want you. So it was shocking. I'm like, what am I going to do with the Rest of my life. Right. Because I want to play. I want to finish playing basketball. I want to do 20 years. That was my goals. I wasn't thinking about anything else. Right. So when they, when they said no more, I'm like, darn it. I was very nervous. It was very scary just because, you know, you do something for 18 years you used a schedule. So I said, okay. I was really sad that day. I woke up the next day, I just said, I'm gonna go to school called ucla and I applied for digital analytics. Social media. Digital analytics, social media. And then at Irvine on Saturdays I was doing business analytics. So I said, you know, I was either going to go get my Series 7 or I was going to get into digital marketing. Now I knew about the licenses on the finance side.

Yeah.

And you know, I knew I can get it because I just study, you know.

Yeah.

And then I said, you know, I had to pick one. So I started studying for the Series seven and I also started to attend classes and I said whatever I have the most endurance mentally for, I'm going to do and whatever I love. So I stayed in digital marketing and that led to other things, you know, so I'm not hands on. I mean I can come up a few things. I can do a little, some Google Ads and Facebook do a little bit, but it's a lot. Right. So I'm not going to do everything. But that's what I've been doing for the last like four or five years.

That's tight. You know, like your drive to continue to learn and grow. I mean as an athlete, as a champion, that just shows, you know, your mindset on how you live your life. So speaking of digital advertising and just everything you've transitioned to, do you have any daily rituals or daily habits that you have continued to do throughout your journey?

No, honestly, that's tight. I don't have any. Right. I mean I used to, but now, you know, I'm just like, wake up, open that laptop and start connecting the dots. You know, I'm using so many different products now. I'm using Klaviyo.

Yep.

I'm using which is like mailchimp a little bit, you know, more advanced. I use a segment which is a great data product. I use airtable, I use CRMs, I use, you know, every. A lot of products obviously slack and trust. I mean every day is like. And I gotta onboard new people that might not know how to use these products. Right. So wake up and do that and you know, try to, you know, you know, build Your team? Yep. So, like, I mean, and I like to talk about it because it's really interesting, you know, it's really interesting as an athlete that you really can do something else. You really can reinvent yourself.

Totally.

I even got rid of my. I got rid of my Instagram, my Twitters. For a long time. I said, I'm only focused on this. I'm not posting. And that's why I only have 100,000 followers, because, you know, I just wipe them out. And Instagram, you don't get your followers back. Twitter, you get your followers back.

Yeah. You deleted your Instagram. Yeah, I deleted my Instagram way back in the day. How long was that?

Three, four years ago.

Wow. So you just actually.

Longer than that. Long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, I went off the grid, you know, no influencing, no interviews, no. I don't want to be on Fox Sports because it was so hard. And the crazy thing was, when I launched my company, I was in startup. So when you're doing a startup, you have more time to have other ideas. But once that company launches, oh, my goodness. I had to get rid of a bunch of shit. I'm like, you know, once the company launches, you gotta. I gotta have to really zone in and lock in. So, you know, that's kind of what I've been doing, you know, we'll see.

No, that's super cool, man. What would you say has been the biggest lesson you've learned when it comes to launching businesses that you want to tell a young entrepreneur?

I would say breathe, man. Because ups and downs. When you're launching your business right, it's only you, so you got to do everything right. And then when you're launching a business, you're like, should I really launch this business or should I launch this other one? Or just other one. You might have 10 ideas.

Yep.

So now you're going. So you're moving all 10 together. You're getting some feelings to see what's working. People saying you're doing too much. Right. You're becoming discouraged. Right. You don't have any capital. You don't want to use your own money. Some people don't even have the money. So now you're like, oh, my goodness, what am I going to do? You don't know how to use product. You don't know how to use Google Docs, don't know how to use Google Slides or PowerPoint. Oh, my God, what are you gonna do? Right. So that was me, you know, and it's like, fight, fight. And then like, I was Fighting so hard where sometimes you can just push. It's like trying to push a brick wall. You cannot push it down. So take a step back, try to, you know, how can we get around the wall without trying to push it down? Right? That's patience, right? So I would say have patience. Look at, look on YouTube. So many, so many great people on YouTube giving you advice, you know, on critical thinking and different things like that. You know, try to, try to absorb as much as you can. There's a lot of people that are doing things with social impact on social media, on YouTube, so take advantage of it. And some people can get caught in a rabbit hole. So, you know, 10, 5 years, 10 years just doing a startup and you don't got no capital for yourself. So do you have another job? Yeah, you know, you can't. You gotta have another job. Like, you make sure you have another job, some income, so, so you can eat, you know, so, so you don't have to give up on your dream. Because if you keep going without a job, then you're gonna have to get a job and then you're gonna have, you can't do. You can't pursue your dreams anymore, Right? So if you can please have us, please have some income coming in, you know, so you can survive.

Yeah. What, what I would say, what did you learn from sports that you've applied to business today?

Man, Great question, man. The defense. And you know what's crazy for me, it was when I would, when I was young, I couldn't really win games, so I had to win with hustle. When I got to the NBA, sometimes I say, I'm not going to score today. I'm just going to be the best player on the floor without scoring a point and without getting rebounds and be the best player on the floor.

Right?

And I would do that a lot, right. Just control the game, you know. So I said, I'm gonna apply that. I have to apply that, right? So it's like, what did I do when I was trying to be a defender? I wasn't just, I didn't just pop up, you know, you know, on the Indiana Pacer floor and just, you know, this guy's an amazing defender. I worked at it in the summertime, you know, no ball. No ball for the first 45 minutes, just running and sliding and that. And then that helped me become a great defensive player. It's not rocket science. So I was like, do that. You know, focus on the fundamentals. And so I tried to apply that. And how do you apply that, you know, to what you're doing now. Just start. Start somewhere, you know, So I even took coding class. You know, I'm doing an application website.

Who's gonna.

Who's gonna design it? Who's gonna pay for all this? Right. So I gotta learn it. And then now when you learn it, you're able to talk to the developers, you want to talk to the marketers and say, I just need this. I just need that, you know, and your cost starts to go down, which is a huge part of a startup, you know, the cost, because you can just get, you know, you could just be throwing tons of money away.

So.

It'S been a hell of an experience. Like I said, I tell people all the time what I'm doing. People don't need. People need medicine. You don't need a new app. You can live your life happily without my company. Yeah, right. But I'm doing this because, you know, it's something I feel like I want to do and I'm happy about basketball. You know, different things like that.

Yeah. If you had to summarize what you learned from playing in the NBA or just playing professionally for 18 years, what lessons did you take away from the 18 years, man?

That's a good question, man. The lesson I learned was don't throw it away. Like, every time I speak, it's not. This is not how I would have wanted to be speaking to someone, you know, 20 years later from when I came. 1999. Yeah, 21 years later. I would have preferred to be speaking like, I had a great career, a lot of defensive player trophies. I'm looking forward to next season. Yeah, I had a great. I really enjoyed playing with Yao Ming, you know, Actually, no, I really enjoy playing with Jermaine O' Neal and Steve Jackson for 20 years. And we got three rings and things as well. I'm just really happy. I would have loved to be that typical, you know, Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard. That's ideal. This is not what I want to be talking about. But I give the stories, you know, you gotta give the story because it's my life, you know? You know, so it's okay. It's okay, you know, but yeah, you know, you know, I had a long journey. Yeah, it was great, man. I don't know. It was great. What was your question again?

Yeah, just like the biggest lesson from playing an mba.

Biggest lesson. Yeah, the biggest lesson is don't self destruct. You know, I remember at a time where I just told myself, like, I don't want it And I'm throwing it away. Like, I'm like, f this, I don't care if I get suspended. I don't care if I don't make the maximum amount of dollars. I went from getting a max contract with Donnie Walsh to being offered $3 million a year, which is a lot of money. I mean, so for NBA players, it's not a lot of money. It's not a lot of money. But for me personally, that's a lot of freaking money, right? So Donnie Walsh is like anything, any team offer you, any amount that any team offer you, I'm going to, I'm going to match it, right? Then I get in trouble. They speak to my agent. My agent calls me back and says, hey, they're not going to offer you what you wanted. They're going to offer you $3 million a year. I'm like, oh my goodness. Throwing it away. My first contract, right? 3 million a year for the best defensive. Yeah. So self destruction, right? Don't self destruct. As a player, sometimes we want to just let things out and what happens is you hurt yourself. Right? That's the biggest lesson. I always tell people at the end of your career, I got everything I've been through. People don't even know how good I was. I got all star, third team, all NBA. This is all young pushing off young defensive player of the year, two time first team, two time second team champion. I probably got something else up in there somewhere. Now imagine, right? Imagine if I was able what it shoulda coulda. That's why I'm a big what it shoulda coulda. Because what it shoulda coulda is real for me. Yeah, it's real for me. So I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. I'm very comfortable with what a shoulda coulda. And I like thinking about it. Just give me one more defensive player of the year trophy. Give me one more. Give me one more all star. The year I got suspended, we all know that was my all star year. That would have been two, right? And then, and then I made, you know, 13 more NBA the year before that. Come on. I was averaging 18 when I was on 13, all NBA. Now I'm averaging 25. This is first team, all NBA. Yeah, absolutely. Don't throw it away. Like I talk it to myself. But I always tell other people, because you see people going through it now. I see athletes and I'm like, man, please, please, please don't throw it away. Please don't self destruct. Please don't Self destruct.

Yeah, I want to. I have two more questions before we wrap up. One of them being for athletes out there that are listening to this. What's your advice to them as they're starting their career? Whether that's a high school athlete or a college athlete. What do you tell someone that wants to become a pro? You know that you'd say hey, look out for this or be cautious of this before you pursue this career.

I mean one thing I would say is, you know, if you got any close family members, you want to take them on a journey, you don't want to spoon feed them, but you do want to teach them how to fish and you want to take them on that journey and teach them what's going to happen because you're going to have other opportunities 20 years in, you're going to want your family members to know how to help you.

Yeah.

So take your family with you. Take your brother, your sister, your mama, your daddy. Take them on a real journey with you. Bring them in the meetings and teach them. You know, I think that's really important because sometimes you often give your family a house or car or money and they don't really learn. So take them on the education journey with you because it's going to be a long journey. You know, it's going. And that's what I, that's something that I always try to tell you athletes even I have my own business management company also. We got athletes, we got some of the highest paid athletes in the sport. I mean in sports. Yeah. My business management company is called Intrinsic. It's on our test management group.com and you go down to my investments, you look at Intrinsic and you see but you know, and the reason I was, I started, the reason I invested in that company was because I remember when I was young and I didn't really have anybody I could relate to that I would listen to. Right. So I try to have my best. At least I don't focus on finance. Like I said, I started because I thought I wanted to be in it, but I'm not in it no more. Still have the company but is there, you know, if I had to lose, need anything is there.

Love that last question before we wrap it up and it's something that there's a lot of 18 to 25 year old entrepreneurs that are listening to this. If you were to give your 18 year old self a piece of advice, business wise with what you know now, what would that be?

Man? Keep all the cards you get. Don't throw the Cards away, you know, Build your relationships now. Really build your relationships now. Ideas take a long time to simmer and to blossom. I'm saying that maybe at minimum four years. Unless you're a genius, it's going to take you a while to have patience. Relationships will help you get a long way. Some people protect their ideas a lot because they don't want somebody else to steal their ideas. I mean, you can try that if you want. I think in some ideas you want to protect, but you want to collaborate. I would advise you to collaborate. The more you collaborate, you're gonna meet other people, you're gonna get other ideas. Yep. You know, so be very collaborative, be patient, be resilient and set goals, people. It's crazy how people tell you things when you're young and you don't listen. They say basketball could take you a long way. They'll say, you know, keep your relationships or set goals. Like what? No, I don't need to set goals. I'm 20 years old. That's who I'm set a goal for, you know, but when you set goals and if you reach the goals, you can milestones, then you can say, okay, I'll set the next milestone. If you don't reach the milestone, you don't reach the goals, then you can tell, you can ask yourself, what happened? Why didn't I reach these goals? What could I have done better? Mark that down as a failure and it's okay, right? So set the goals on what you want for your company and when you want to reach, you know, your long term goal, your short term goals and, and try to meet them. Try never to be late on a due date, on a deadline. Never be late. Meet your goals. No matter what the goal is, by any means necessary, try to reach it right? And that's my advice for a young entrepreneur. And good luck too.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Mehta, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show today. Last thing, where's the best place that everyone can stay up to date with everything you have going on?

Man. Thank you. Artistsmanagementgroup.com Definitely follow me there. Subscribe. Also subscribe to the newsletter. Yes, like overall what I'm doing in my life and then obviously following x verse exports, Download the app and follow me. Whether you're a player or a sports enthusiast, there's a platform for you and it's great being on your show. Thank you for having me, by the way. Also, you have a big platform and you're growing. You're going to continue to grow. So this is the honor to be on your platform.

I appreciate it, Meta. Thanks so much.

Thank you.

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