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What is going on, everyone? Casey Adams here. And welcome back to the Rise of the Young podcast. Happy Monday. And on today's episode, I have something special to talk about, and that is my recent trip to China. And this episode, I actually have two special guests with me. My buddy Ishan Goel and Karen Marjorie, AKA Cutie Karen. And before I introduce them, I. I just want to say our trip to China this past week was phenomenal. We went out there to work with a company known as Huawei, which we'll get in depth about. But I just want to give a big shout out to Ishan for making this happen because I was super fortunate to tag along this trip for a week in China. From Hong Kong to Shenzhen to Shanghai, it was phenomenal and we learned a lot. We met a lot of cool people. And overall, what we learned from not only the people who worked for Huawei, but about the brand itself was we're excited to, I would say, go in depth on. So that being said, Ishan, what is up, my brother?

What's up? Glad to be here.

And Karen, what's good? Hi.

What's up, Casey?

All right, so real quick, I just want to get into it before we go into Huawei. I think the people in my audience probably have a good idea of who you are. Ishan, you've spoken to my events. We've been connected for the past few years. But for the people that don't know, give a quick update. Sure.

So I've been behind some of the most viral trends, like the selfie kid from the super bowl, the picture with him next to Justin Timberlake, and then the world record ag. I was behind that. It's crazy just watching all this stuff unfold and how viral campaigns end up happening. My whole thing is working with brands and companies and placing influencers on ongoing campaigns to better connect with Gen Z. I love it.

So real quick, before I introduce Karen too, I remember for those who didn't just pick that up, he was behind. I'm sure you guys know the world record egg, which is the number one like picture on Instagram. It was. It beat Kylie Jenner. And I remember the day this happened when it was blowing up. I was calling Ishaan, like, dude, what is this thing? Every single day we're gonna be doing a whole in depth podcast into Ishaan's story. So make sure you stay tuned for that as well as Karen. But Karen, for my audience who may not know who you are and what you do, please give us some context into who you are.

Hey, guys. So it's Karen Marjorie, also known as Qtkaren on YouTube and Instagram. I am a YouTuber with almost a million subscribers. Subscribers, which is pretty sick. But not only am I an influencer, I also see myself as an entrepreneur. I started out my first company when I was 14 years old. It was a clothing line and it was very interesting. It lasted about a year, but it taught me and brought me to who I am today. I also got into fashion designing and now I'm working on the Cutie Karen brand and working alongside Ashan and Casey. So thank you so much for having me here.

I'm excited. This is like, I would say the first podcast that I've done. This like three way sort of introduction. So that being said, before we get into why we were there for that purpose, what is Huawei? Ishaan, I want you to tell me and then I'll pull it up off of what I know.

Yeah. So Huawei is a Chinese tech company that is the number one tech company that makes our towers, cell phone towers, 5G, 4G and all the tech, as well as they're the second largest phone brand.

I love it. So I'm gonna read this off wiki real quick. If those who don't know, Huawei Technologies is a Chinese multinational technology company that provides telecommunication equipment and sells consumer electronics, including smartphones. Headquartered in Shenzhen, China, which where we were. And yeah, for those who don't know, Huawei right now is really big in the media. They're getting a lot of bad press.

And in the United states, in the.

U.S. which this podcast is hosted out of. And Issa, why do you think that is right now? Because obviously prior to me going to China, I wasn't familiar with Huawei itself. I love the phones. We all have a Huawei phone now, and they're amazing. But why do you think the press is attacking them in the US So bad?

So right now though, the White House is dealing with a lot of trade issues between almost every country you can think of, specifically China. And Huawei is actually at the front and center of this trade war. And a lot of people are looking at this as a big turning point for our relationship with the overseas Chinese companies and brands. So they're looking at Huawei. And a lot of the US Media has talked about a lot of negative things like how they spy on us and how their phones aren't good. But the truth, truth is Huawei tech is used all over the United States. It's used in phone towers that you're probably connected to right now.

Yep.

And they're actually, actually, they were or they, they were on the entities list. They're actually on a 90 day retrieve right now. But it's insane just watching this all unfold and being on both sides of it, for sure.

And real quick, for those who don't know, so Huawei, they do over $107 billion a year in annual revenue and they have over 188,000 employees. So I want you to just think about this, the context of the company we visited, because this isn't just your average small business. Right. This is a global enterprise. And real quick, one of the headlines which I think people will be interested in, is it says, Huawei says US ban will cost it $30 billion in lost revenue.

We were actually there when that headline was all launched, when the CEO of Huawei actually interviewed with cnbc and then they went viral from there.

Yeah, insane.

But just watching this and hearing them on the inside about how they, how the relationship and how they don't talk anything negative about the US but the US just looks at them as a enemy. Almost all the headlines, at least coming from the White House, seem to be very, very, very negative. But in turn, in time, we've been able to see their tech is impressive. We've tried out their phones, we've tried out their VR. VR. We've, we checked out their factories where we saw literally eight people per production line and they were coughing out hundreds of phones per, per. Was it per hour?

I think it was every 18 seconds a new phone. That's insane. Out of the assembly line, thousands of phones per hour.

It's just insane, insane. Just watching your production. And we were able to get really, really in depth with the company and get behind the scenes where a lot of People haven't really been able to see a lot of people when they think of China, they think of just a negative stuff right away. The United States is prized as a land of the free, which is very true. But we've been able to really see the polar opposite of that and see how the Chinese government uses tech like the cameras and how they use Huawei tech, how they use Alibaba tech on a daily basis and what the results are from that.

No, I love it. And real quick too, I think one of the coolest things, and we'll get into this, but the campus that Huawei has, it's literally insane. I think they said they invested $1.5 billion into their new campus and it's modeled after, after 13 different European cities. And if you go after this podcast and see the content that we've been putting out on Instagram, myself, Ishan and Karen, you'll see our recap video and you'll see all these crazy buildings. But the reason I bring that up is because you may be confused right now. You may be saying, alright, why did these individuals, Casey, Karen, Ishan, go to China to meet with the company Huawei that has negative press in the U.S. right. So, Eshan, I know that you brought this opportunity to, to myself and Karen, and I'd love for you to give us some context about why we actually went there. And because we weren't just touring around saying hello and we didn't just decide to go, we got invited.

We got invited. My buddy Connor, Connor Blakely told me about this opportunity a while back. He said, yo, do you want to go to China? We got to put some influencers together and make this trip happen. And from there I kind of took charge of it. I was like, yeah, let's do it, let's make it happen. I've never been to China and I love exploring. And then I reach out to Casey, reach out to Karen, reached out to Brian, our videographer. I was like, yo, let's go. Funny enough, Casey Adams over here already had a full 10 year Chinese visa that we had from a school trip. So that made the process almost simple as possible. But Karen, me and Brian had to.

Oh, we had to take a real quick trip out to LA to even get our visas.

Yeah, that wasn't, let me say something real quick. These people did not have their Chinese visa like 10 days prior to departure.

It was five days before.

And if you know about Chinese visas, it usually takes a month, almost two months to get it, unless you expedite it. But I Was impressed. Like, Ishaan, I was off. I was like, how did you do that? But they made it happen.

We made it happen. We ended up in China.

Done.

So, boom.

Yeah, we went there. We went there.

So it's, It's. It's crazy just watching, like, being behind the scenes on all this stuff. I'd love to talk more about, like, what we learned.

Yeah. So what would you say in terms of what I want to talk about today in the podcast? We talked about what Huawei is. We talked about why we're there. So what would you say was the number one thing you both learned? And I'm going to answer myself just from that experience of meeting all these different executives and on campus and everything.

I'm going to back up a little bit, because I didn't explain why we went. I said, what? What? Who invited us? So the reason why we went was because they're trying to figure out how to put a stop to all this negative press. They want to. Huawei is a very open company. They give tours openly to the US Media. They are very, very open. They've always been open. And they're not part of the government. They're a completely separate entity, is what we learn very quickly. They are, for example, Apple. They're the Apple of the Chinese market. And Apple doesn't control the US Government doesn't control Apple, and Apple doesn't control the US Government, same way Huawei doesn't control. But the Chinese government. Chinese doesn't control Huawei. That's a very good point. That's what we realized pretty quickly. Early on, we had to go to the same system, same processes, go through normal routes. We're just normal people in China visiting Huawei. And it was quite impressive, just meeting all executives and just hearing what they had to say, what they had to say about their company, their visions for the company. Like 5G. What's going to happen with 5G? How pumped everybody was at the company for 5G? We might not see 5G in the United States because of this trade war. We might not see it for another two years, five years, 10 years, we don't know. But China, the Chinese marketplace, is already ready to pump it out. It's where I think they give us an example where we can sit on a plane right before taking off, we can click a button, and by the time we're done looking at the phone, the movie will be downloaded within seconds.

Yeah. And for those. I'm not the biggest tech guy. And just being there and sitting down and learning from Their teams. Like I was just, I was so invested in learning about what they were talking about. And I know, and I'm sure, Karen, you can speak for this too. Like we were learning so much so quickly, going from office to office to office, learning about VR and everything that, which the company's doing. So what would you say? Just what was the something you picked away and learned from the experience? Just from a surface level perspective, I.

Think the biggest and coolest thing. So I'm also not huge into tech either, but I have heard a lot outside, you know, from my dad. He's actually real invested into this Huawei thing. But when we went in one of the, their first campuses, there's a whole area full of just their, their surveillance tech. And you know, how they can monitor arenas with, with heat or facial recognition, things like that outside, that was wild. Like they can literally detect, you know, what your temperature is as you're walking outside. Like when we walk straight into the airport into China thing, there was a temperature check. I was like, I didn't know what that was until Huawei had to explain to me what that was. So seeing this sort of interface, you know, being expanded into global daily life out there in China is absolutely insane.

To me for sure, 100%. To add more to the stadium thing, that was actually the most mind blowing thing I saw was their simulation that they were running that's actually being used in real life. But they're able to from a computer program. And I have a picture of this on my phone. We might want to push this out somehow later down the road, but it's, it's their tech and they're able to monitor how long, how loud the stadium is, how many home fans and away fans they are, the air quality in the stadium, how, how close the fans are to each other.

So they can disperse them.

They can disperse if there's any type of possible collapse on the stadium. Exactly. And they're able to just see, they're able to see where emergency services are. They're able to see, see every detail and even watch the game in real time in the stadium from a computer screen. This is literally when you were, when we were little and we used to watch things like, like on TV shows.

Where they like the hologram screen and.

Like everything's on the screen, every details on the screen, like white collar where they can just pull up whatever they want right away. That's literally real life.

And didn't they say that Shenzhen was one of the, the biggest cities with the most cameras? Like every street corner had a camera. Is that what they said?

Everything is monitored. And they were talking about this and obviously to an American, when we walked in here, we were just kind of like nervous.

It's so different from the U.S. yeah.

We were just like, holy crap.

And the perception of China is different. I feel like we talked about culturally, it's a huge.

Yep, that's what I was about to say.

Culturally, it's just a massive difference in terms of what the Chinese people think and how they look at surveillance and how they look at privacy, how they value it.

Because that's what I was speaking to my dad about is like here in America, we would not be happy with, you know, our faces being taken, you know, of every single time you walk outside. But in China, you know, they, I, one of the executives spoke to us about how that has actually rose in the, the rates of like crime rate.

They solve crimes within like a 12 hour period. Anything super quick.

They're able to completely monitor everything point to point. Whether there's a kidnapping or a person, her snatching or someone going missing, they can quickly see everything and they can pull it all out. And I felt kind of confused by this. When I first, when she was telling me about it, I was like, okay, cool, like, great, you're surveilling everything. But then what if the wrong people get their hands on the surveillance? And these are questions I actually asked them and they said it's very protected, it's actually monitored. They're actually matching the same level of privacy that Apple and all these other companies are supposed to follow. The thing is, Huawei isn't monitoring anybody. They're providing the tech. They're the tech behind everything. It's like Huawei is the Apple again. So you can't blame Apple for what you do on your phone. Just like you can't blame Huawei what happens with their tech and how it's being used or even misused.

Yeah.

So that's one thing to really, I realized pretty quickly is they're not as scary as everyone says they are.

Yeah, yeah. I think for me, warned by everybody, like not to go. Pretty much everybody at all. I had comments on my Instagram. People were like, dude, can you even get back in the US like they're banned. And it's like talking in such a negative connotation.

They're like, are you an enemy of the state?

Literally, like, you sure you can get back in?

And it's funny because I want to talk about. We had this lunch and one of the, one of the people that worked for Huawei. He was asking us, like, why do you think that perception is? Especially, like, people, let's say, in our generation or whatever? It is, like, because I went to China three years ago and, like, I was like, super cool going to China, but like, my parents, they've never traveled out of the country. And the perception of even going to China outside of visiting Huawei, like, it's just a negative. Not a negative connotation, but, like, you just don't know what to expect. It's like the forbidden world. So what would you say about that?

Just, like, I just think it's just the culture.

Cultural.

Cultural difference. They're. They're very, very, very closed off from the Western world. Whether it's from the Internet, they're banning social media.

You need a VPN to access anything.

So they're very, very strict. The government is. Has a very heavy hand in everything, for sure. And for. As an American and as an American that represents a particular political party, I was a little bit blown away by that and made me very uncomfortable just seeing how much of a hand the government has in everything.

Yep.

But it was also the polar opposite of what I've ever lived through. And I was. I was able to see, like, the way everything is ran and the way everything is running, and it's just the. How quickly everything was, how clean everything was, how nobody was doing anything. There wasn't really a homeless issue with such a big population. There wasn't. I didn't see any, like, crime happened. And I was out there walking.

It seems safe.

I was walking on the streets at, like, with you guys at 2:33am and we just felt like nothing was gonna happen.

Yeah.

In the usa, you know, I'd rather walk with my pocket knife on me or have my cell phone. I just. Yeah, I just felt like pepper spray. Yeah. I felt like I was in a. A bubble of some sorts, and a very safe bubble. And it's kind of crazy for me to say this, because I just wouldn't want. I don't. I wouldn't want to live through that. But just experiencing it from the behind the scenes of the tech and then also going through it in real life was just. Which is crazy. The thing about China is they have such a large population. They have billions of people. And when you have such a large population base, controlling these many people becomes an issue. And I kind of get why Chinese. The Chinese government does.

They have their law. You can not have more than one kid after a certain year that I believe that it's still. It's still a thing. Is that still a thing? Still a thing.

They're overpopulating, but I'm not fully informed.

Yeah, I don't know exactly. I know that one child policies was taken away a long time ago, but would not be surprised if when I.

Was there three years ago it was a thing. That's all I know. So I don't know.

Yeah. So 100% though, I mean I. It's quite crazy just. Just piecing all this together now, like just sitting down, just recollecting my thoughts for sure.

And I want to say this too because I want to kind of make it so we all get to say something like as a consumer of the tech of the Huawei P30 Pro, they all sent us phones before we went out to visit them and we've all been using them as Ishan has three phones now so he's been using it as his third phone, Karen as her second and mine as well. Just what's been your experience with the actual phone itself, P30 Pro, as a consumer outside of visiting the company from a consultant perspective, what's your thoughts?

So I'll jump in on here for this. So I am an iPhone fan. I've always loved the iPhone and I've always stood stuck by it and I still will. So I've never really used an Android. Now a Huawei phone is an Android phone and the whole interface and the way that the screen is set up is very interesting. It's something I'm not familiar with so I do have to get used to it. However, I do like the screen is super clear, the graphics are very sharp and the camera is what I think would sell me on it. The camera is absolutely amazing. It has a zoom that I think goes up to 50 times plus or so I could read things that my eyes couldn't read. You know who needs binoculars when you got a Huawei phone?

For sure.

Yeah. No, this phone is insane. Just it has four cameras on the back of it has wonderful.

It takes great photos in night mode.

Oh yeah dude. When we took the first picture in night mode of out in China. I'll be posting these and letting you guys know which ones are taking in Night mode insane. It crushes the iPhone camera by 10x100%.

And I'm a loyal iPhone follower so I really.

Yeah. Seeing the other side of Apple needs.

To adapt to something like that.

I think Apple is behind on like.

From a smartphone perspective, 100% tech. The battery reverse charging, you can charge your iPhone with the Huawei phone, that.

Was the most hilarious and contradicting thing I've seen.

Like we were at the Apple Store and I'm like, wait, do they. Does this place have a portable charger or whatever? And I go to the settings to see if it has the reverse charging on the new Huawei phone and turn on reverse charging. You literally flip it upside down and put any device on it if it has the internal charging system and boom, it charges your phone. When I saw that, I was like, yeah, they're way ahead of Apple when it comes to just like the. The tech inside of it. The battery life, insane. I think it goes like 50 hours or something like that. Or more.

Yeah. Or it can go 90 plus. I've seen that online. There's like an ultra power battery mode.

That's insane.

Where it's the only thing you can do is call and it like shuts everything else off.

That's insane. I personally love the phone. And what would you guys, 1 through 10, what do you rate the phone for people that have may be considering ever getting a Huawei phone if they can?

For someone who has never tried, for someone who isn't loyal to the iPhone, I would say Huawei is an amazing place to start. It's a great bet. But it's also hard for me because I am an iPhone user for sure, and I'm just so used to the way that it works and I love iOS and I love the simplicity of it that I don't know if I can make a full transition. However, that doesn't deny the fact that it's still a great phone.

I agree.

I'm on the same page as that I've grown up on Apple. I've been using it since I was literally 12 years old. So for me to think of a way for me to switch completely over to Android, it would be. Would be hard. I wish Huawei would come out with a new software that would be completely theirs. Because Android is very spotty. I feel like it allows too much. I can see information. I don't even know what I'm reading sometimes.

Yeah, it's too much.

I want to talk about. So just after interaction with some of the employees, whether that's Joe or whether that's Chase or Emma, people that we got to truly know from Huawei, like, what was. What would you say you learned from like some of the people that are involved in Huawei and the way they treated us? Because I think that was a huge representation of what they trip was to us about how we were treated by the people that work for that company and shout out to Chase and Emma and everyone that we were with.

And Jenna.

And Jenna, everyone. So they were the squad in China.

Super friendly, super kind, and they really brought us along. I felt very welcome to China. First time being In China.

Yeah. 100%. Like, it was just insanely amazing. And it was crazy seeing how much of an international, like, employees employment base. They had. Employees from New Zealand that. Employees from America, Texas, Texas, Dallas, you name it. Like, bad employees from everywhere. So just seeing that how many people, how many people there were there and how at home I felt away from home for sure.

We land in Hong Kong and we're like. Like, the first time I went to Hong Kong, I was like, I was in the school. We were with the teacher. So me, Brian, Ishan and Karen land and we're just like, we are in China. So we. What do we do now? We go through customs, we do all that sort of stuff. And then it's like, boom, there's the sign, the Huawei sign with their names on it. They speak English. We know, like, we understand them. It was an easy process. And I think that really just shows for, like, how the company. I see that as a customer service aspect of, like, the way they treated us is they're extremely organized how they treat their customers. Yeah.

There was not a moment of complication or feeling of uncertainty.

Everything was like, mapped out down to the exact hour, which made us very, like, in tune with everything fighting. The jet lag on both sides have been. Has been a complicated.

It's still a little. I Woke up at 3pm today.

100. This is. It's been a. It's been a fun ride trying to beat this jet lag, but we can get through it on both ends. They were very, very kind to that. And it was a full day off once we landed. And it was just. I. Anyone I talked to Huawei. They were very open. They were very friendly. It was just amazing just seeing and I saw.

And tell me if you agree on this. Like, everyone that was there, I felt, was like, truly invested into, like, the purpose of the brand. And they wanted the brand to have a positive, positive image in America. And overall, everyone that we were able to learn from, they truly understood the viewpoint of America on Huawei and the direction that it was heading. And they were really people that we were able to build with. And yeah, I mean, I just want to say too, and this is a question to the both of you, something that I saw as just someone that went to China is just from a cultural perspective. I know Karen was a picky eater and I don't know about you, Ishaan, but what did you guys think about China overall with the food? Bro, it's such a good every single.

Day with these like extravagant, like see animals.

That's why it's a little biased because we had a higher end food the whole entire time we were there. From room service to full meals. Yeah. Feasting. So I never really got to experience, you know, the street food or food going into the mall, which I believe is, you know, the, the norm. The common food, which is what is the real Chinese experience versus the high end, you know, suited food.

We had beautiful, beautiful dining areas like three times a day pretty much.

But it was lovely and I'm not going to complain. It was great.

Yeah, I'm grateful.

I realized I like duck. That was cool. But I also realized I'm not a big fan of seafood and I, you know, did that reconfirmed it for me. I'm half Asian. I should, but I don't for sure.

So I want to talk about this too. Something very, I would say cool that I learned was something that I already touched on. And that was just the new Huawei campus that we visited. They invested over $1.5 billion into this campus and it sort of looks like a Disneyland overall. And if you watch the recap videos that we all posted on Instagram, you see this like castle looking like structures. And I just wanted to put that out there because if you see our content, you'll see this. So what would you say you thought of just like the way that they presented that to us because it felt like a magical wonderland, like walking into a different world.

The campus was enormous. It was.

It could have been a whole other city.

Yeah. We had to get on a train to get to certain parts of the campus. Like I'm talking Universal Studio plus Disneyland side.

That's what it felt like.

I was like, is this a movie set?

Like coffee shops and restaurants?

Coffee shops, every corner, everywhere.

It was just like they. It was like this is a 711 on property. I was just like sitting there like, what is happening?

Yeah, yeah.

And I was just impressed by just how everything was just put together and how.

Because it just opened. So we were like some of the first people I would say visiting to even see.

Did they mention why they wanted it so extravagant and so fun or.

I. I don't think we asked them that. But my guess is to make sure the employment, the employees are very it.

Felt like it's such a peaceful environment. Like, I saw. We would go outside. There's, like, lakes, and there's, like, statues of different types of animals. It felt like you're in a park, you're in Disneyland. Even though I've never been in Disneyland, it just felt like such a magical place. But it's obviously just. It's a tech company that just. I saw it as, like, you're in China. But they modeled their campus after 13 European cities. It was just, like, very unique. And I think they took a lot of thought process into that, and I think that really shows how they define themselves as a company in terms of. Of, like, attention to detail and attention to their employees and overall, how we see it as a consumer, even their smartphone. So I just wanted to say, if you haven't seen our videos on Instagram, go check them out, because you'll be able to actually see and feel this campus, because we got to get the whole tour of it. And I think that was a highlight of my trip when it comes to Huawei. In terms of, like, what I saw and what I learned from that. Like, what would you say was one of sort of like, your highlights of the trip?

My highlight was definitely. Oh, dude. The whole trip was so.

Yeah, I'm even trying to think.

Everything was just so incredible. I think the highlight was.

Oh, the painting thing, the. The color design of. Of the screen. You loved that.

Oh, yeah. I was, like, half awake. But, like, it was so we were able to get inside their creative labs, and really, I used to paint when I was like, I still love art. I'm, like, super artsy. Everything I still do.

You sound.

Art in the marketing world is still. I still tied back to things I learned in the art world.

Creative.

It's creative. I love it. So they took me to this lab, and I was just half asleep, just, like, barely looking at the screen because of the jet lag. And then all of a sudden, they take me back into this painting room, and that's where they have canvases of paint. Just the whole canvas is just a layer of blue paint, black paint, yellow paint, white paint. And then they let you seep in using the paintbrush and dropper, pick up certain colors and let it seep through the paint as it eases through and actually creates an art piece as it's actually flowing naturally using gravity through. Through the paint canvas. It's just wet paint.

It was cool.

And that's kind of how Apple.

Apple has created. They called it. It was their theme lab.

It's a. Yeah, the theme lab. And they're able to. Using certain colors. They're able to just. I'm looking at one on Apple does this too. And it's just impressive just looking at how the color just flows. Um, Apple's done it with their old iPhone X 3D Touch. The harder you press, the more the color bleeds through. I'm actually doing it right now on my, my older iPhone X. And it's just, it was amazing. And I was just mesmerized by how they actually have real people doing it. It wasn't.

Yeah, I thought it was completely digitized by Google, but they used real. It was literally something I could have set up in my bedroom. Obviously with.

Without a red camera, without cool cameras. They had like a hundred thousand dollar red on top of it with macro. I'm just sitting there like what?

Yeah.

Ishan was playing with the paint. He could have been there all day.

Yeah, I literally could have sat there and just designed stuff. It was just so much fun just looking and watching how the paint seeps. And then they had microscoped down to like a very zoomed in level. And we could see it on a screen.

Yep. Wow. So something I think was another highlight of mine was VR. And I want Karen to touch on this because we played the most insane like virtual reality team building game. And if you're not familiar with VR, I'm sure a lot of you are, but they had an entire VR lab with some of the most amazing products and services when it comes to attending a concert in a VR fashion. And they were just talking about all these different pieces that they're trying to put together when it comes to like attacking the VR space and they're crushing it. But Karen, what would you say, like just from our experience in that lab and we played that game together, like what was your experience in that world? Because that was definitely a highlight for me.

So the biggest takeaway from that that I learned is Huawei doesn't make the games, they make the technology behind it. And one thing that they really emphasized towards us was the idea of a cloud. Cloud VR. So instead of having to, you know, actually get a high tech computer, download all this software, you know, take a while for things to load, which is very expensive for the average consumer. Instead they want to develop an interface of having this cloud where you can easily upload whatever game, whatever you want to, like Netflix streaming, but for VR. And so they had various VR headsets that we could put on from seeing your favorite singer sing in front of you to you being in a basketball court. But one that Casey and I both interacted on was they had this whole room set up with cameras all above you in the ceiling. Like the whole room was set up, made for this specific game where you would walk onto this plank and if you jumped off the plank, then you died.

It felt so real.

And so I was on one end and Casey was on the other end and I had. My two physical hands were in the game. And so I had to grab this torch and light the torch and then pass the torch on over to Casey, but he was on the other end of the bridge with a giant gap in the middle. So it's either like I had to lean over and possibly risk falling over into the void below me, or, you know, jump over to the other side of the plank and pass the torch to Casey. And that was the whole point of the game. Very simplistic and I'm sure they're going to advance that in the future. But the whole concept of it was crazy because for a straight men, I was like, wow, like if I jump, like I'm dead. Like, game over. It brought the questions of like, I was real life, a simulation. Like, how is, how is VR so real? Like if you think about real life, but that's a whole another topic.

Yeah, I see it as a huge, like it already is like the advancement in the gaming world. Like we did the flight test and all that sort of stuff. And I've seen VR before, but this was the most. Yeah, I would say just complex way I've seen it.

Imagine being able to like train like 15 year olds on how to drive in a car simulation. Or like even younger, they can start off at 11, where you actually feel like you're driving and you can just drive the car as if you're there without crashing anything. So you crash the car in the simulation. So yeah, it, that's how it felt when I was just flying the virtual reality airplane test and the team building exercise where you trust the other person with your life to where you. Like if you make one wrong move, you fall and die.

Yeah.

In the game.

Yeah. Well, speaking about cars, what exactly was it that they showed us when it comes to like the autonomous driving? They won one of these competitions. What exactly was that again?

Oh, 100. So China is so far ahead in making sure the planet is green. All their public transportation buses are all, all of them, every single one, one electric.

And if you see a green license plate, that means it's electric. So the USA should do something wow.

Green license plates. I'd look to have flex. I'd rock that.

Like, I mean that versus, you know, trying to push the paper straw agenda. It's, you know, China is far ahead.

With the electric cars, 100 so. So they're ahead on the, the green side of things there.

They're paper straws there.

There were paper straws everywhere, paper forks and knives that were melting after 30 minutes of use. I was just like, bruh. So it was quite impressive just seeing that side of things. But then to piggyback on what Casey was saying was the cars, not only are they green and they don't use gas, but they're also completely, they're completely self driving. And their tech to self drive is so much more advanced than the usa. Like I've driven a Tesla before. Yeah, I've been behind the wheel and I've seen their autopilot news. But we're talking about full and complete, like autonomous driving. Completely.

Yeah.

And we saw simulation after simulation. We saw probably an hour.

Yeah.

We sat there, I was sitting there with my eyes barely open just watching this car like go through simulations. Like real life running the car in the actual Chinese road.

I think one of the coolest things that I learned from that, like that exact lab was they were saying with 5G once that's compatible with all the cars and stuff, like the difference between how fast a car can access the data of its surroundings, like that could be between life and death when it comes to when they are notified that a car in front of them has stopped. Without 5G, it's an extra meter or 2 meters that it could like delay. And seeing that they're using the 5G and the self driving cars to like make it where everything's instant. Sort of like you said when you're. If you want to download a two hour movie with 5G, you can click download it.

Instead of talking about like being able to connect with people in literally real time.

Yeah.

Like if you think it, you can do it. 5G is going to be the next biggest thing.

Which is still a concept that's even for me hard to understand because to me I feel like things are instantaneous already. But in reality it's, it's not.

There's lag, there's massive lag times. How long does it take you? How long does it take you to upload this vlog, this upload podcast?

Probably like for an episode like this, which is almost an hour, probably almost five to eight minutes. Yeah.

And that's on like fairly fast wi.

Fi, we're getting about, but imagine instantaneous.

On the gigabla gigablast plan with, with Cox. So it's. It's insane they're seeing that. And that's their top of the line Internet. With 5G, it could be just instant and dawn. And I'm excited to see what this does for the world or how quickly we can connect with each other and what changes will bring whether surveillance.

Well, bring that back in relation to the car theory or the car simulation. The reason why they want to push 5G so hard is if you imagine autopilot, there's a big difference, you know, between they mentioned something like 0.5 seconds versus 0.1 second life and death of making a decision with that car or, you know, moving a signal. It's literally a life or death decision.

So.

So I am curious as well of how that's going to be implemented and how widespread that's going to be used in the future.

So I want you to think about this. Someone's listening right now and they see all this negative news about Huawei in the US like, what do you say to that individual that may still be just questioning, oh, why did these individuals go there? Are they evil? Like just all these questions that we were getting on Instagram, like, what would you guys. To that person that's still skeptical about the brand, the company and what they're doing? And if you guys are skeptical and have research, like send it to us and explain your reasoning. We're here to take in opinions. But, Esha, what would you say after getting the full tour and experience and access to meet the team and access to the campus, what would you say to the people that may still be skeptical about the brand and what they're doing and just the way they view it?

I think they need to do their own research, not just read all the headlines and the news anchors that are just going off on it, but actually see that Huawei tech is. Phones are used in Europe, they're used all around the world. And Huawei isn't afraid to lose the USA.

$30 billion.

They. The CEO was very clear, like, if we lose the USA, so be it. He. He wasn't.

When you're rich, you're rich.

He wasn't really. Like, he isn't gonna wait. Like Huawei is.

They're changing the world.

They're already encompassing Europe.

Huawei isn't gonna wait for the usa. And I think I thought they were so advanced, bro. This whole time I thought the USA was so far ahead of the Curve. And maybe they are, maybe they're just not.

Maybe they're holding back on purpose. Maybe that's a whole nother theory.

Aliens are real people.

Oh, Lord. We're not going down that. So Casey Adams is a flat Earther, by the way. No, no.

Yeah, No, I went to China. We went.

He was actually mesmerized by seeing the arc of the earth. He actually pointed and started screaming at it.

So this is simulation fake news.

No, but I would say to people who are so, you know, skeptical is to keep questioning. It's always good to question.

Don't believe, and don't let other people form your opinions for you.

But how are research on yourself? Listen to different viewpoints. And at the end of the day, our viewpoint is still very biased. We were brought in by Huawei.

Yeah. Don't even listen to odds.

Yeah, we were brought in, we were wined and dined, we were shown around. And the things they were going to say from us are. The things they're going to say to us are things that, you know, they're going to side with positively. So we even our opinion is biased.

It's. It's your job to possibly go test out the phone and actually see the tech behind it. Like, everyone's like, oh, they have all your data. Like, so does Apple, so does every other app on your phone. Like, I was trying to, like, access. I was trying to access Airbnb. And for me to, like, log in Airbnb, I have to give them my entire contact folder, every single one. So just think about that. Think about that the next time you think that you are above the curve and you think that, oh, cool, we have privacy. Do you really?

100%.

Real quick, too. So the way that there's so much pr. Right. And like, stories about Huawei, like, for someone like yourself that's been in the PR world and like, you can kind of orchestrate these headlines. Like, what's your opinion, Ishan, in terms of, like, how they're being presented from a press?

Yeah. I mean, the press jumps on anything that they can as long as it's a controversial headline. Like, I pitched story after story after story to media and they don't pick it up unless someone's getting hurt or there's someone that's impacted severely.

Yep.

And on both ends, good and bad spectrum.

Yep.

It's suppose like the media doesn't care about you going to work and having a good day.

It doesn't care about all the good stuff while doing 99% of the news is all negative.

It's quite scary. If you go look at the most recent headlines, it's all tends to be pressed. That's like very, very like, wow, that really happened. And they, they try to one up their terrible headlines. They're like, oh, this person just killed this thing. And then, oh, they just killed this thing. And this thing. It's just like, it just keeps, like, keeps one upping and like, to the point where, like, we're getting desensitized by these headlines, like, oh, here we go again. And it's just like, so crazy just being. I've been in the PR world, I've been on political campaigns. I've seen House, how bad it can get and how stretched the truth can get from what the reality is. And it's everyone's interpretation of what actually happened. And that's the biggest thing is we have a communication issue. We have a huge communication issue in the PR world. And people aren't talking about that. It's our definitions of certain words. One word and one sentence can completely change what that entire sentence means. And people tend to forget that and how these. There are people that are just masterminds at crafting these. These headlines are creating emotion in us. And it's almost the point where, like, wow, what's real anymore? What can we trust? What news outlets are actually reliable? We went to school like, thinking like, oh, this is all like, facts. We would like, cite them in our papers. Can we, like, is there anything as unbiased anymore? And with this whole political way that has just come through with Trump, we're really seeing the full effect of that.

Yeah, yeah. So. So one thing I want to touch on just to kind of just gear towards the end of this show is like, when I got back from China from visiting Huawei, I was just very intrigued about, like, my perception going into it. I was really had no idea what to expect. And like, after going to the campus on the labs and then being here, like, I have a completely different perspective of what Huawei is, how they treat their customers. So what would you say was, like, your overall lesson of the company that you learned that you'd want to put out to the listeners today that could just give them more insight of someone that has truly experienced the company, like, face to face?

I think that Huawei is the future. I think that Huawei is going to be. No, but I agree from what I've seen, like their 5G tech, their. What they've been able to do with their cameras, what they've been able to do with their battery life.

Yep.

Like, they're ahead of the curve, at least from what they're putting out to the public. Maybe Apple's way, way ahead of things and they just choose to be very slow at rolling out things. Karen actually brought up that point the.

Other 40 years already. Like, they'll still buy them.

Yeah. So, like, Apple might be.

I mean, it's a strategy and, you know, it's been proven to be out there already.

You work for Apple.

Come on, roll it out.

Come on, let's go.

So what I'm saying is, like, Huawei tech, like, their phone, like, I can zoom in to something 55ft away and have crystal clear quality and see what's.

On their shirt, which is scary.

Like, what is privacy.

Cool. We were, we were in Best Buy and, like, we couldn't read from like 100ft. Like the back of a. The back of the box on a new TV and we zoomed in from like 100ft away.

Using our fingers. In a phone.

Yeah, using our fingers. And you can read it crystal clear, clearly. Insane craziness. And test it for yourself.

And the macro micro features of it or the micro features of it are just insane. It can zoom into, like, the follicles of your hair. It's just.

Yeah. So overall, you think they're the future. That's the summary of, like, tech on phones.

My. I think just they're building 5G towers that are just going to be.

Yeah. It's so, so much to take in.

Maybe. I mean, I'd love to. If there are any US companies out there that are killing it too, bring us out and do something similar. Like, if you know of any companies that are just ahead of the curve, like, the truth is, like, like, if the USA completely does ban Huawei, they would have to pull out towers that are in rural areas that farmers and country folk, like, rely on, and they would have to replace it with other towers that are closer to the Chinese government. Our tech, unfortunately, all comes from overseas. And believe it or not, it's made in China. It's made in China. Like, look around you right now. How many objects do you have that says made in China? You'd be surprised. Like, dang, my bicycle's made in China. It's quite scary just to think about how much. How many products we use overseas. From overseas, not just China, but from India, from, like, I have shirts from Pakistan. I've, like, all kinds of things from different places. Very rarely do I see stickers like, made in the usa. And when it's There. It's huge.

Yeah. Made in America.

Very loud. Like that thing isn't great. Engraved into it. Yeah.

I think my biggest takeaway in general is ignorance, realizing how, how much of a bubble America is in.

Oh, let's pop that. Like, us as Americans are just.

All my international friends have told me America, there's. They're so proud of themselves, you know, nationalists. But they don't realize that they aren't the best because there's things going on outside of it. I don't think Americans are ever attuned to anything that's happening outside of the US which is a cultural difference between us and the rest of the world. And I think that's a bubble that we can pop and should be popped through time.

Be open minded. Don't just believe in everything, actually explore for it. Get on a plane, fly. Like the biggest, the, the biggest way for you to become more open minded is to travel. If you can't travel, like, listen to more things like this. Here are different perspectives of both sides of the spectrum.

Yep.

Y. I was very, trust me, I was not like, I wasn't looking forward to China because I just, I've.

Oh, everyone.

We're like running out. Like, this is where I'm going to be. These are the people I'm with.

Yeah. We had to write out, we had to write out a full, like, manifesto.

Of like where we were. Emergency numbers. Yeah.

Because our parents were concerned. But when we went there, it was, we were just like a normal place, normal city.

I mean, we are going to a place 7,000 miles away. So shout out to mom and dad. Yeah, respect.

Thank you so much for letting us do what we do. Thank you for not putting us in a box. So literally we're going to be in a box inside of a bubble.

Yes.

I don't know if that's the move, but.

And I'm curious. So for people that are listening, that may have questions for Karen or Ishaan or just like overall our experience, we want to do like, like we're going to be doing so much content. We'll be rolling out from our Huawei everywhere. We have a lot of content to put out there from our vlog. So you can actually see, see inside of the places. We can show you, whether that's the campus or the factory, whatever it is. We're gonna be making sure we put out a bunch of content so that you can get more context of what the trip looked like, the people we were with and just overall what we learned and you can actually get Some more insight rather than just listening to this. You can actually see and feel what we were talking about. So make sure you stay tuned for the content.

Subscribe to qd. Karen?

Yep.

Subscribe to my channel. I'll have a full blog there coming this week.

Here we go.

All right, so on the road to 1 mil.

What is it?

You're at 700, almost 747.

You started YouTube. How long ago?

Just to recap, just a year and a half ago. I've been working on social media for three years.

But that's insane. That's insane.

That's a whole nother podcast.

But don't forget Casey Adams founded social media Modi.

No, but to wrap it up to. Just to get people falling off their seat. They're on the edge of their seat right now. They, they want to know, like, Ishan, you went to Huawei, you think they're ahead of the curve? Just if you had to summarize like a one word or one sentence statement about what Huawei not did to you, but the way you feel about their company afterward, mine would be, I would just say, like a genuine company that's changing the world. If I had to summarize it, there's a lot of different ways I could play it. But what would you have to just say to summarize it?

So Huawei is really. Yeah, 100%. Huawei is really ahead of the game. And they're very open about their tech. They really, they're releasing state of the art products and they're the processes behind that are very public and clear. They were very open about their research, from the creative to their factories. Like, there were very, very, very few people on their production lines, very few humans. It was all automated and computerized. They had mood boards in their factories where every worker all. I think they were very. I was looking around and I just saw wall to wall. It was very far, almost to the point where I could see a horizon line in the hallways. But I noticed they're like mood boards. And the workers had classrooms and it was very open space. It wasn't like what I was expecting when I would see a Chinese factory, when I, when I saw documentaries of how Apple iPhones are made. Like people are falling asleep on the production line. It's person after person, manual labor. This was all automated. This is all computerized. Yeah. Like there's one person looking over 15 different computer systems and they have lights above it that turn from yellow to blue to green to red if they.

Need to fix things.

But there are little Robots roaming around.

Yeah.

There were robots storing them away. I'm like, a person could have done that. But, yeah, automation, they.

They invested in $100,000 on wheels, automatic robot instead of breaking someone's back. And that's the one thing I think Americans need to understand is we need to automate our systems and processes and have people oversee them. Have more skilled workers working on more skilled things rather than doing manual labor, like flipping patties, sticking buttons and holes all day.

Yeah. And last thing, from my perspective, I think this is really cool. So Huawei is a public private company. Excuse me. And what they say, they put 10% of year of annual revenue to development.

Wasn't it more.

No, 10%.

You remember 10.

10% or 15%, I think. Yeah, 15%.

25. I can't.

No, 15.

15. Okay.

Guaranteed.

Yeah.

Shout out to Chase. Yeah. So into development. And they're able to do that.

And because they're private.

Because they're private, they don't have to worry about catching their numbers every single quarter, every, every year. It's like they have way more Runway to not mess up. But the test. And I think that was one of my biggest takeaways. And I. Because I asked the question. I was there. You guys ever thought about going public? And they're like, no, because they have that access. And that was one of my biggest takeaways.

They've all just Runway to take off and land if anything happens, and no.

One can see it publicly.

Yeah, it's great. It's. It's incredible. And then maybe that's something I'll take away from this 100%, maybe down the road, if I ever had the chance to. To hold things to myself quietly instead of going public. Public might not be the best.

Yep.

So.

Yeah.

So. Yes.

Any last words, or can we wrap this thing up?

This podcast was not sponsored by wall.

No, we actually.

We did not get paid.

I wanted to say that straight. I was like, we have not gotten paid.

That's a big.

To wrap this up.

We can say whatever we.

No, I'm serious, though.

Like, I can sit here and talk trash about the company freely. I chose to take this opinion on this side of things because of how mesmerized and how blown away I think we are. Truth.

It's how we felt. And I'm very excited to see where it continues and what comes of Huawei in the news.

And Casey Adams is actually getting a Wall we tattoo. Stay tuned.

Right across his forehead.

I have no tattoos, but that being said, I'm gonna be doing a full interview with Ishaan, we can talk more about Huawei personally, as well as Karen, about her journey, about what they do, about how this came about, and about what we're working on moving forward. So, that being said, make sure you follow Ishan, follow Karen, stay connected with them on the grand, send them a dm. And that being said, make sure you leave a review and a rating on itunes, because once we hit 600 reviews, that is when the next storyboard drops on Instagram at Rise of the Young. So make sure you check that out, share it with a friend, and let us know what you thought of this episode. Shout out to Huawei for this amazing trip, and I will talk to you guys on Wednesday. Peace.

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