Joey Graceffa says he was a rule-following kid who never challenged authority, but as an adult he shifted to an "ask for forgiveness" approach. The conversation explores whether breaking rules is actually necessary for success.
Pullman's also talking about the perspective of institutions and control and power censorship. Do you have any recollection of that as a kid? Of the control from— I don't know. When I was a kid, I didn't feel like I fit in. Oh, yeah. That made me automatically want to challenge authority.
No, I never challenged authority. No? Never. I was definitely a good boy who followed the rules. But now I kind of am like, ask for forgiveness.
Yeah, I was going to say, there's no way you're as successful as you are that you haven't broken some rules.
No, it's definitely shifted.
That's part of the recipe of being successful is breaking rules.
No, I think maybe that's what I'm saying.
You probably broke rules today.
Oh no, never.
Yesterday, at least.
