How Do You Actually Make Money From a Podcast? | Don Vito

The most powerful way to monetize a podcast, or really any business for that matter, is to attach it to a paid membership community. So if that is the case, then your podcast is the platform where you establish yourself as an authority in a subject or a subject matter expert or a thought expert.

Welcome to another episode of The Profitable Creative, the only place on the interwebs where you will learn how to turn your passion into profit. I am your host, Christian Brim. Special shout out to our one listener in Landing, New Jersey. Honestly, it just sounds like you mailed that one in, guys. But in any case, thank you for listening. Joining me today, Don Vito, the Podfather. Don, welcome to the show.

Hey, happy to be here. So what do you want me to call you, Christian or Chris or CB?

As long as you call me for dinner, you can call me whatever you want.

Hey.

But I do go by Christian, uh, yes. All right, that's fine, you know. Yeah, I, I did get a lot of that when I was a kid because back when I was a kid, that was when, uh, like Smokey and the Bandit came out and there were, you know, trucking— truckers was kind of a cultural, uh, phenomenon back then.

Okay.

Smokey and the Bandit was a great film.

By the way, Burt Reynolds, right?

Burt Reynolds and, uh, the sheriff, uh, what the heck was his name? Uh, he played in The Honeymooners.

Um, Jackie Gleason.

Jackie Gleason, thank you. Uh, it was just escaping me. He was fantastic in that film.

Yeah.

Um, so why do they call you the Podfather?

They call me the Podfather because that's the name I've adopted. I've, uh, been very instrumental in the podcast movement. I've been, uh, you know, producing podcasts since 2008. Actually, my background story started in the music industry as a 2-time Grammy-nominated multi-platinum music producer. So over time, I transitioned into podcasting and digital media after helping, you know, a few— launch a few shows like Candy Burrs from The Real Housewives of Atlanta, you know, Earn Your Leisure platform, which is Inside the Vault with Ash Cash, and a slew of others. So I've been doing it, podcasting, since I'd say around 2009. And so I think, uh, the title is befitting.

I— you know what, no one else has claimed it. It's yours. Uh, so, so how do you go— so you were into— you were in music production and then you moved to podcast production, which isn't a, a big leap, but what— why, why that change?

Well, uh, once the music industry tanked after the, like, about 2008, the fees changed. And so what was getting $30,000 to $50,000 to go in to produce a song. The labels, when I would have the conversations, they would say, "All right, cool, let's do it." And then it went from that to, "Why would we pay you that amount of money? We got Joe Blow who just mailed us some beats and he only want to charge $500." So I knew I couldn't make a— I couldn't make no living like that. So I had to pivot. And it just so happened around that time I was searching and a good friend of mine, Candy Burris, who also was a writing partner of mine in the in the music industry. She has started an online show called Candy Coated Nights. And so she called me one day and she's like, hey, man, I got this idea. We've been doing a couple of episodes and you technical, you know how to do that computer stuff and all that. Why don't you come by and check it out and see if there's something you'd be interested in? Went by, saw it. I was like, oh, this is the future. I'm doing it. And so I committed to it and we were on off to the races from that point.

Well, it— I mean, I haven't been in podcasting nearly that long. This is just coming up on my second year, but a lot has changed since 2009. Yeah, absolutely. So how has the business model for you changed in that time with podcasting?

So when I first started, it wasn't no business model. We were having fun. Right. Actually, it was a you know, it was a live show. But it was essentially a podcast, we'd have guests on, come on every Wednesday. So really was no business model. And so the business model was bring people on the show, and hopefully we get some ad sponsorships, right? And a bunch of roles that I had to fulfill at that point. It wasn't until 2020 when I started producing another show on a platform called Earn Your Leisure with Inside the Vault. We started producing the show. And so my mind, or our mindset, was, man, they got a big platform. Oh man, we about to kill the game with all these, you know, with the views from YouTube, downloads from the audio. And so, you know, we producing shows, having these big guests on the show. And then the first check came a couple of months later, we like, all right, we finna eat. And that check came, Chris, and when I tell you, it was $800.. And we was looking at each other like, man, I can't, we can't—

How are we gonna split this?

How do we sustain? Like, I remember the host at, uh, Ash said, man, I can't keep doing this for no $800. So I clicked in, I was like, I gotta figure out a way to figure out how to make money. So I identified a couple of revenue streams, uh, when it came to, uh, monetizing the podcast. So that was my mission. It was like, I mean, most people are focusing on starting or growing the audience. My thing was, nah, I gotta get to the money. And so once I did the money streams, the revenue streams, that's when I started actively going deep into just focusing my energy on that. Because, you know, you can have a podcast with 100,000 guests or 100,000 subs, and I can have a podcast with 100 subs. But if I have an offer, and I'm making an offer to that 100, and I convert 10% of that, or that's 10 people, and let's say, for instance, my offers $2,500. So that's $25,000 that I've made from that one offer. But you still have the followers and the subs, but you don't have an offer or call to action to get on the show. So therefore, does it really make sense to have those followers or subscribers? It's more of a vanity metrics, if anything, in my opinion.

No, I agree with that. I, you know, just since I've gotten in and talked to folks that have been in the game longer than I have, and I guess 2020 was, you know, COVID was the boom, like the real boom of people launching podcasts. And since then, you know, it has continued to grow. But, you know, the number of ears hasn't grown. I mean, maybe some, but like, you're still chasing listeners if you're If your intent is to replicate a radio show or, you know, you're trying to go on an ad sponsor, uh, you know, money-making, uh, model, that, that doesn't work unless you're really, really good and can attract a lot, a lot of people. And to your point, even then, the, the money's been squeezed. So then it's kind of like, okay, why do you have a podcast? What, what is it that you're using it for. What's the business intent behind it? And that's frankly something I still kind of am trying to figure out. You know, like exactly what is the business purpose of having the podcast beyond just, you know, top of the funnel, name recognition, credibility, long-form content. Yes, it does all of those things, but does it make you any money? Correct. So when you are looking at those situations, where do you start looking for money? Like, what's the process you go through there?

Well, the one thing— first, let me rewind the tape a little bit and say that the fact that you've been doing your podcast for 2 years, which means you're probably right at or a little over 100 episodes, which is great, you know, because I usually call it the pod grave. People go to the pod grave at around 12 episodes when they realize the intensity, the work that has to be done behind the scenes. Because at a glance, most people look at podcasts and they say, oh man, all I gotta do is sit in front of a mic. I know a lot of people want to hear what I got to say. So it's 2 people on the couch in front of a mic with a, with an opinion.

Right.

That fizzles out after a while. So one of the things I mainly advise people to think about is what is the business of the podcast, because really the podcast is the platform, right? Mm-hmm. Build business around and you leverage that platform around expertise, right? So it's the business of what you're at, right? So like I said, I became obsessed with solving the problem of helping creators turn attention into revenue because, you know, Creativity without a business model really is just a hobby, in my opinion.

Yeah, no, I agree with that.

Yeah. And so, you know, there's affiliate email lists, you know, ads. But the most powerful way to monetize a podcast, or really any business for that matter, is to attach it to a paid membership community. So if that is the case, then your podcast is the platform where you establish yourself as an authority in a subject or a subject matter expert or a thought expert. And, you know, people get used to you talking, that's where you spend time, you get to nurture your audience, and then they want more of you. So where do they get more of you from? If you don't have like a call to action at the end of the show, besides subscribe, which is a vanity metrics, you want to send them somewhere or have them purchase. So it's like, wow, Chris was really dropping some bombs on profitable creative, man, I need to get more time with him, I need to get more. But if it stops after the podcast, then it stops after the podcast. But how about rather than that, you say, hey, listen, if you want more information like this, you should join my paid membership community of like-minded people where we collaborate and share and exchange ideas and decide this, this, this. Hey, click the link and just go there because now you got these people that are your tribe. And it's unlike social media in a sense because, you know, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all those channels, you really don't own that media. So for any given reason, you could be shut down. And then how do you connect with people at that point, right? Or maybe they think your language is offensive. But inside your community, that's your tribe. And you can speak to them the way that you speak. And so let's say for instance, if you have— let's just start with a conservative number, maybe, maybe your reach is 20,000 across all your channels. But if you converted that $20,000 to about 1%, what is that? 200? No. Yeah, 200 people. Yeah. Imagine you had 200 people in a paid membership community paying you $47 a month. What does that money look like? And that's recurring revenue every month, right? At the beginning of the calendar month. So most people, if you don't have a— if your business is not making money every month, you really don't have a business. You really have a promotion because each month You got to get out there and shake your ass or dance to bring in new customers. You know what I'm saying?

You don't want to see that. I can promise you.

Promise you I don't want to see it. You got to go out there.

So, okay. When you are talking about building a community, I find that very interesting because that's kind of a thread that I have been exploring. Paid or not paid, I don't care. What, how do you connect people? You know, that you've identified them as your tribe, they've raised their hand and say, yes, what you say resonates with me, I find value in it. Where do you gather? Like, what does that look like?

So there are different platforms where you you know, outside— well, actually YouTube has a community platform within itself, but I'm not sure. I don't use that platform, but there are platforms outside of YouTube or other channels to use, right? So there's, you know, Kajabi, Mighty Circle School, and you get those platforms and then you want to really drive the traffic to one of those platforms where your community, where you build it out the way you want it to be, whether it's, you know, if it's paid courses or free courses or weekly events where they can do live Q&As, or you can bring in guests. But the main thing is, it's your tribe, and on that platform, and you could do free. I wouldn't advise it. I mean, you're doing a YouTube show for free, so you're gonna just take them off another channel to give them some more free, you know what I mean?

So yeah, uh, you know, I, I think the interesting thing about that is, because I mean, that I agree that that has been the model Um, you mentioned some of the, the giants. Uh, I was on a webinar, uh, about podcasts with Alex Sanfilippo's, uh, PodMatch, and one of the speakers that was on there was a guy that had sold his business to Mighty, and he stayed on with Mighty. And, uh, this is January of 2026. And he said, you know, online content sales, education sales, I don't remember exactly how he defined it. He said, is actually shrinking like that. That market has peaked. And at Mighty, what they were really interested in is creating communities. Where potentially you had the community creating the content, not just one, one person creating content for many, but more of a tribe where they're collaborating and sharing content together. Have you seen that trend?

So are you asking me, is the trend going to Mighty Networks?

No, no, no, not Mighty, but just the, you know, regardless of the platform, I think what they said really made sense to me in that the whole buy a course thing seems to me to have been played out. I mean, I'm not saying that you can't make money, right?

Of course, if that's what you're leading with a main course, then yeah, absolutely. It's played out, right? Because a lot of times people don't know what they're talking about when they're doing those courses. Of course, it's really right. It's the companion to your subject, to what your, what your superpower is, right? And so sometimes, you know, you— the course to me is if you're an expert in the same music industry or podcasting, then the course is being able to answer some questions of you to take time It's like on demand. So you can get— go through the course, you know, and raise some questions or get better understandings of the thing that you're trying to learn. And then through that course, it should answer some questions or raise some questions so that when you inside the community, then you get on a call with the host of the community, and then you'll be able to ask questions based on the course material.

Right?

Not just a set it and forget it. Of course, go join it, look at it, right? Good luck. You know, it's right companion to your subject.

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I think you answered your own question, right? Because again, inside of the community, it's like-minded people, and you're collaborating, your tribe, right? And you'll find that inside of those communities, you know, they'll start answering each other's questions, especially when you have Q&As, right? And you're facilitating the community as the host, right? Think of it as a party, and you got people coming to your party, a gathering, and as the host, you're not talking to everybody, you're moving around the room and letting people talk to each other, you may talk to them for a bit and go to the next person, so on and so forth like that. And that's, that is the power of the community, is the, is the collaboration, because it's siloed, it's trust, right? Because, you know, I'm in here with Chris, and me and Chris share the same thing. And I'm not embarrassed to tell them where I'm at, right? Making mistakes or where I could use help, or maybe I'm helping Chris to grow. It's a, it's a give and take type of thing.

Yeah. And, and I, I think, I think for a long time Facebook groups provided that, uh, channel, uh, for people, uh, you know, it did and it does.

The thing with Facebook though, uh, it's not paid and no, it's, it's the concept is there is what I'm saying. Right, right, right, right.

But on your point— And they kind of pivoted, like Facebook kind of pivoted. Like there was a time where they were really pushing and supporting that, but now they kind of have moved on to other things. And from people that have had Facebook groups, they said, you know, what I've heard, I never have curated one, but like they become a victim of their own success and they get very popular. And so you get too many people in there that aren't on the same page, that aren't having the same conversation. And so you have to be very careful about your curation of who's actually in the room.

Correct. Yeah. And so as the facilitator of your own paid membership community, you can monitor that, right? You can have a community manager. And I don't think that someone is paying you a monthly fee is going to join something, you know, saying that they can't. In other words, if they're not like-minded, they're not going to be there anyway, right? Yeah. And people who pay pay attention. You know what I mean?

So that's exactly right.

So if they come over to that paid membership community, I'm gonna keep emphasizing paid, paid, paid. Because, you know, You gotta take, take into consideration your time, right? The fact that you curated the people, got 'em together, and now you're gonna give 'em some information for free. Well, I mean, I don't know too many people that value free information. You have to be a—

no, it, it, it could be brilliant. It could be brilliant advice, but if you don't pay for it, you're not gonna value it.

People who pay, pay attention. I'm one of them.

That's 100% right.

Right. So, you know, it's like attention is common, but Monetized attention is rare.

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So, so you, you mentioned in the green room, uh, Digital Citizens. Talk a little bit about that. What are you doing there?

So Digital Citizens is a service company. And so basically what we do at that company, and we're literally steering away from, but as a, as it stands, it's a content marketing company, right? And so Oh, Christian comes to me, says he has an idea for a podcast. Vito, Don Vito, you're the expert. And so what we do is we work out something. And so what we do is help you to start your podcast, how to set it up, get distribution. You know, if you're doing it from your home, typically it was like a done-for-you service, right? And which means everything for you. But I'm only one person. And, you know, me, the days of me really trading my time for money, is really not the move because it's expensive. No, right? So it's easier for me to show you how to do it, set you up, walk you through the steps, then give you the keys and let you drive it, manage it for a couple of months until you get the hang of it. Or you can join our, uh, community, which is the Podcast Money Academy. And that's for starters who don't know what equipment to get, how to set it up, how to get major distribution. That's that. I don't really have time for that. I'll jump in that weekly to answer some Q&As. But mainly, I'm more focused on helping someone like you who has several episodes to get the concept of the podcasting, you know, know that it takes some work in the backend. And then so then we set you up as a media business to monetize.

That's an interesting statement. I was doing some thought exercises last week. And I'm going to tell you what I came up with and get your opinion on it. You have not prepped for this question, except your lived experience. So I just want what comes off the top of your head. I see disruption where a lot of traditional models are shifting or have shifted entirely, such as advertising creative agencies. And I'm talking about larger ones, not small ones, where they used to have all the things in-house— videographer, graphic designers, web developers, you know, copywriters. They had everything in-house, and then they would be a one-stop shop. That model is really broken and going away. Um, and, and what I came up with is, is that a lot of the people that were doing work, uh, for agencies subcontracted out are, since those, since those agencies are, are struggling or, or gone away, that they're becoming, they're becoming media companies, right? Uh, where they, where they have to, uh, figure out the whole thing that where they only had to know one thing before. So what, what are your thoughts on that?

I think that, uh, You know, I wouldn't focus on building an audience, I'd be building assets. And so yeah, if you're looking at an agency, that model really, I mean, it still could work. But why? I mean, it's like, the internet has leveled the playing field, right? And so think about it, you're, when we get through with this interview, you're going to edit it. And you're going to distribute that to the world, right? Right. And so then the focus would be okay, now that I create content, is create content, market it, sell. That's the— those are the pillars. Create content, market, sell. Any business, really, that is the model for any business, right? Whether it's Coke, Coke is the content. The bread and thing, they pay ad agencies to create this marketing material, whether it's a flyer, whether it's a banner, whether it's a commercial, radio commercial, whatever, that is the content that they're creating to market to create more awareness around the product. Or the thing, the product being the thing, or the content, and it's to generate sales.

Yes, I would agree with that. I think what you said is what I'm saying, is that the game has changed and technology has collapsed everything where content creation for a creative, unless you're doing a physical medium, like I'm making stone sculptures or I'm painting paintings, Everything else in the digital world, from audio to video to the written word, the cost of production of content has gone to zero. Like, anybody can do it for nothing and distribute it. The question is then, what does that do for the people that that's how they make their living? And I contend what it's requiring people to do is become problem solvers. We, we had a client event a few weeks ago, and one, one of them was a, a videographer by trade and training, and he had a, a manufacturing client that came to him and said, look, we, we want to fire our agency. Can you do everything else for us? And he's like, well, I don't know how to do all of those things. I know how to make video for you to sell your product. And they're like, that's fine, we understand you've never done it before, but we really hate the agency we've got. Would you, would you give it a try? And, and he described it— he's been doing this for like 4 or 5 years— he said he became a reluctant, uh, agency owner. Like, he doesn't even really want to say he's an agency owner, but because he was solving this problem for his customer, which was help me sell my product, he had to learn these other skills. And so no longer was he a videographer that just made product videos. He was now a solution provider to helping them sell their stuff.

Yeah, I mean, it's all solution, right? The Profitable Creative is a solution-based podcast. Somebody has a problem. You're speaking to an audience, a group of people who you identified as business owners who are looking to leverage their medium, or whether it's podcasts or whatever, to generate for client acquisition. And so the podcast, what better way to do it with than with a podcast, especially on YouTube, the video, right? It's the ultimate media, right? Because it's everything. It's video, audio, and text or graphics. And you're leveraging that platform for client acquisition because it gives you the opportunity to, you know, find your tribe, nurture your tribe, establish yourself as a thought leader, subject matter expert, authority in a field. And, you know, drive the traffic. Most people's problem is they fail because they don't have a model. They don't approach it. They approach it with the mindset of it's a hobby or vanity metrics instead of, okay, what do I have to sell? What is it that I can do that I can, at the end of the day, do a call to action to say, hey, and if you want more of this, do X, Y, etc.? In terms of the agencies, I mean, life is about pivoting. You have to pivot. I mean, because think about it, when I was producing music, I wasn't producing music on a computer, I was producing music on a drum machine and a keyboard, right? So those who were complaining about, you know, oh man, when, you know, when Pro Tools or Logic first came out or whatever those music platforms were, they were complaining. Well, guess what? They got left in the dust. And for those who are complaining about music— I mean, the video— where I gotta have the Red Camera, this, that, well, guess what? You got left in the dust. But the principles are the same.

You're 100% right.

Create content to market and sell. And so each one of those buckets have something— there's a science to creating content, right? First, you have to identify who your audience is. Most, most often I see not just people in the podcast, but just in business, you'd be amazed if you ask them who their audience is, or their avatar, or who they're talking to, either they're going to answer one of two questions. I mean, they're going to answer the question in one of two ways. Either it's, I don't know, or everybody. Well, if you're talking to everybody, you're really not talking to nobody, right?

That's 100% right. No, you're exactly right. And I guess the way I would describe what's changed from what you experienced in audio to what's happened recently with everything else is that the people that had a skill, that, that, you know, they had a creative skill, they were good at video, video editing, audio, audio recording, writing, design, whatever, they had a skill and they could trade that time for money, right? And, and, and, and make a business out of it. And that to me is no different than if you're a plumber, right? Like, you've got a skill, you're gonna go do something, and you're gonna trade, you know, money for your time. But now that paradigm has shifted, and if you're still, if you're still trying to chase time for money, uh, as a creative professional, you're doomed because the cost is, is low and is getting lower.

Absolutely. But the key word is skill, but it's a transferable skill. Some people stuck in the ways, like, it's like, man, back in the day when I—

you were—

that's back in the day. It's today. How about that? Yeah. And so there's editors still exist. It's just, you have to listen. If you're an editor, if you're a videographer, if you're a I don't know, a musician, the smartest thing to do, in my opinion, the smartest thing to do is we talked about trading time for money, we're trading time for money as an editor, videographer, or, you know, musician is, hey, I need you to come and play this keyboard or lead guitar, whatever that is, right? Or as a videographer, come to this said location. And film or the editor, I need to send you this footage so that you can create a long-form video, right? But that's one person and you're still trading your time for money. The mindset needs to shift. So 100% as you have a skill, whether it's videographer or editor or musician, well, you can package that up into something and then say, hey, look, my name is Don Vito, my name is Chris. And a lot of times people are always asking me, you know, how do you start a podcast? What do I do? Where do I start? Who do I do? What kind of cameras? Well, look, I want to show you that along with Sony, X, Y, etc. So if you're interested in learning how to start a podcast, how to make money, how to grow your audience, click the link below, join my community, and I'm going to show you that. But the course is already created. You've already done the heavy lifting, right? So, so me charging, let's say for instance, if I charge a fee of $5,000, I mean, you know, hourly rate, project rate, or, you know, a day rate, whatever that is, right? Well, as a musician, videographer, or editor, I'm trading my time for money. And let's say, for instance, I get $5,000. And that's for 2 days, or, you know, as an editor, whatever that number is. That seems like a lot of money until you— let's put it in perspective. I can charge one person $5,000 for 8 hours worth of work, if that's what it costs, or if that is how long it takes. Or I can charge 10 people $2,000 for less time. And that's $20,000. 10 people at $2,000, less time. It's, it's, it's, it's packed. It's, it's a comp— it's compressed into a Yes. Community, right. And so this one hour could have been me on a group call, coaching call, mentorship call, or whatever, whatever that is with those 10 people that paid me $2,000 in the comfort of my home, and asking questions about the video that I made that they liked, and that helped them to start the podcast or learn how to edit or learn how to play the keyboard. I mean, everything is a subscription model. I mean, Riverside, what we're on is a subscription model, right? Your power bill is a subscription model. Your utilities is a subscription model. Your phone bill is a subscription model. Netflix is a subscription model. It is. And so just get with it or get left behind.

Well, I mean, I use this analogy and I think it's a great illustration. So you, you need a ditch dug in your backyard. Maybe you got to lay a new sewer line, I don't know, but you need a, you need a ditch. And you hire a guy and he shows up with a crew of 3 people and some shovels, right? Um, or you hire a guy and he shows up with a backhoe, right? One's going to take a lot longer, going to involve more people. Uh, setting aside, say they cost the same, they're not going to take the same amount of time. Do you care? No, I don't care how you do the ditch digging. I just need the ditch. That's, that's the outcome. That's the thing. I need that thing, right? And I don't really care how long it took you to learn how to run the backhoe, or what you had to do to go find the other 3 guys to help you dig the ditch, or have to go to Home Depot to get the shovels. I don't give a shit about any of that stuff, right? I just want the ditch, right? And we as business owners get, get focused on like our skill. Well, like, I'm really good with a shovel, I'm really good with a backhoe. What happens when someone can come in and do it with a robot? Like, I mean, that's my point is we're focusing on the wrong things. You got to focus on the outcome that people are willing to pay for. That's what you're selling.

Absolutely. Yeah. And to your point, you could show up with a batco or a crew, right? But I think when it's just one person, I think you're doing the world a disservice, right? Because you have this accumulated skill through time. Right, and experience. And so now you're serving one person at a time. Well, that's a disservice, because if someone in Montana, Utah, Wyoming, or another part of the country, they can use that skill. So package it into some kind of teaching, right? And let them be able to ask questions and put it in a group setting. That is, I don't see no other way. You know, even if it's dig, ditch digging, right? Well, that's a skill you've been doing a long time. Maybe you could teach some other people.. But you can't just— if it's just you showing up to the location and you're locked in digging that ditch for however, how long it takes, whether it's a 3-man crew or however long, that's just one thing. But there are ditches that need to be dug across the world. And if you have that skill and if you are as good as you say you are, then you should strongly consider a paid membership community teaching people how to dig ditches.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a one-to-one or one-to-many?

I mean, hey, I like the one-to-many.

Yeah. Don, how do people find out more about you, the Podfather, if they want to work with you?

Well, they can go to my IG, which is Don Vito XL. That's on my IG. That's D-O-N-V-I-T-O. Or they can join the Podcast Money Academy. I'll share the link with you and you can post it. And for those who are interested in, you know, for those business owners who really want to just get their feet wet, and just see what it's like before they jump all the way in and commit, then they can join the Podcast Money Academy where you'll have courses and be able to meet with me once a week in a group setting. That's the operative word. And ask questions based on the course material. We have experts that come in there once a month to ask the questions and talk about how they were successful as well. There's just so many resources inside of the Podcast Money Academy.

I love it. Listeners will have those links in the show notes. If you like what you've heard, please rate the podcast, share the podcast, subscribe to the podcast. If you don't like what you've heard, hit the little message button and tell us what you'd like to hear, and I'll get rid of Don. Until next time, ta-ta for now.