From Engineer to Entrepreneur: Chad Zdenek's Meandering Path to Financial Freedom

Good morning and welcome to Ladies Kicking Assets. I am here with my business partner, the amazing Courtney Moeller. And we have a very special guest with us today, Chad Zedenik out of California with CSQ Properties. Before we get into conversation with Chad, I wanted to share with you real quickly about Ladies Kicking Assets, what we're about and the objectives that we want to meet today. We have been focused on really providing information, educational content to women, really diving in and showing you how you, too can be an investor as an LP or you can be an investor as a general partner and just to take control of your wealth journey. And so today, with all that, our guest today has had a lot of different pieces to his life. In fact, probably the most diverse person I think that we've met with in so many different areas. So. So with that, I'd love to ask you to like and subscribe to our channel and to also share with you that this information that we're sharing with you is for informational purposes only. We are not experts and advisors, but we've had some great successes. So make sure with anything that you've got questions on, feel free to reach out to us, but always connect with your CPA and your legal team, most importantly. So with this, Chad, I'd love to welcome you. There's a couple of highlights that, that, first and foremost, I'd love to mention about you. You are a husband, and I've had the pleasure of meeting your wife. She is precious. But you are a father and you have a brood of kiddos, so I'd love for you to talk about how you juggle that. But interestingly enough, you are a rocket scientist. You are a structural engineer, a licensed general contractor, a dj, a TV personality, an entrepreneur, and a syndicator who has been successful in all of those. So welcome. We have a lot to talk about.

It sounds like a lot when you list it that way.

Oh, my gosh, something amazing does such a great job of making. Making. She'll announce my stuff and I'm like, gosh, that sounds amazing.

So. And you have the best white teeth ever, so have to share about that, too.

Yes, I. I do have five kids and four of them are daughters. So I'm really appreciative of what you guys are doing, trying to educate women. And I know once, you know, my girls are older and getting on that path, I'm definitely gonna be having them tune into the show because I know you guys know what you're talking about. So thank you.

Well, thanks for having. I just love. I'M like, Chad is an actual rocket scientist. You don't always use that analogy. Oh, it's not rocket science. Oh, it's not this. And now I know an actual rocket scientist that has done super cool stuff. I know.

Yes. Yeah.

Talk about that journey a little bit, you know, because, I mean, you've done, like, really radically different things and how that all kind of led to where you are.

Yeah. So it has been a meandering path. But one of the things that's interesting, when you, when you do have some experience and you look back on things, you can kind of see how they do tie together and how you can leverage those experiences into the new ventures. And. And so I'm doing that in each of the steps. I've. And I've done that in some form or another. So I did start out technically as a rocket scientist. I was a structural dynamics engineer working on the space shuttle main engines for seven years. Super technical job, working with amazing people. Worked for a company called Rocketdyne, which was eventually bought out by Boeing. And it was amazing, amazing company, amazing people, and got to do some really cool stuff, going to different NASA space flight centers. But. But at my core, I'm an entrepreneur, and I love building things. I love growing things. I've either founded or helped found six different companies, so. So that's really who I am through and through. And working, working at Boeing, although it was amazing, I felt a bit constricted in my entrepreneurial spirit. So eventually I was getting my. My MBA actually at UCLA at the time. And coincidentally, while both my brothers were at UCLA playing football. So all three of us were at ucla. And, and my brother in his. In his last year at ucla, he was. He played football five years, and then he had a few classes to take the following year and started a lighting business, primarily Christmas lighting. And so I kind of used that as my pet projects because I was focused on entrepreneurial studies. And he was. Just started this business. I'm like, all right, well, I'll help you, you know, figure some things out, get some processes going, some marketing, and. And did some consulting for him. And he started the business. I was still at Rocketdyne. And then he wanted me to come work for him, but it was a really small company. And I told him, I said that, look, if you get the business to a certain size, I'll leave Boeing and I'll come work for you. And. And sure enough, he got the business to that size, which was still really small at the time. And so. So you're gonna kick out of this. So talking about compromise. So I, and I was on the executive management track at Boeing. I was a team lead. I was doing really well. I just got, I got my master's in structural engineering from USC and then my MBA from ucla, and they supported me through that, which was amazing. And, but I made a promise to my brother and he got the business to that level. And, and so I left Boeing. I took a 50 pay cut to go work with my brother. He wound up paying me more than he was paying himself. Gave me half, half the company. And, and we grew that from him, my sister and a couple workers. And, and then fast forward 17 years later, I, I sold the business. He bought me out. He still runs it today. And, and I got into real estate. And that was like 2019 time frame.

So amazing. So it's really not been that long that you've been in the real estate space.

Well, and I say go back to. Because I was in construction management, you know, 25 years ago, I got my contractor's license. I was doing a lot of construction, and then I was also doing structural engineering design for custom homes for small buildings. So, like, when the business was really small, it was, you know, like maybe half the year doing the Christmas lighting, and then the other half of the year I was doing the structural engineering design work. So. And that was all very real estate focused.

So when you were working for Boeing, were you only working for Boeing or were you doing construction at that same time?

So I was. It depends on the time frame, but it was a lot because I was going to school also nights and weekends. So I was working full time, working on two, two master's degrees. It took me five years. But I was also, I did actually own a construction and engineering company for a while. I was doing construction engineering consulting while working at Boeing and schooling. See, I didn't have, I didn't have kids at the time. Kids, they throw you off a little bit. So, so, so yeah, I was working a lot in the kind of the real estate space with respect to engineering and construction. And then eventually the business got too big. I couldn't do that anymore. And so I stopped doing the structural engineering. I wound up getting my professional engineer's license in civil engineering and mechanical engineering, but then put that aside for like, maybe, I don't know, eight or 10 years before getting back into real estate, but more on the, the investment side or investor side at that point, and, and into syndications, which I believe your audience understands, but I got into syndications at that point.

Okay. So what year did you get involved in syndications? I'm not trying to just lay a timeline in my brain over this.

So my first syndication was in 2019.

Okay, that's okay. So that was, it's not been that long with actually syndicating, quite honestly.

Yeah, no, yeah.

I just was in 2021, so it.

Hasn'T been long for me either.

Yeah, yeah. And, and I, I did my first deal without really knowing. Like I'd never gone to a Secrets of Successful syndication seminar with the real estate guys. I wasn't a part of any mastermind group. I didn't partner with anybody. I just did the deal on my own as a solo joke GP and, and it was a two million dollar building in Long Beach. I'm in Los Angeles. So it was, you know, an hour and a half away from me and I raised $1.2 million, had a 500k construction budget and barely did it. That's a whole nother story. It was definitely challenging as my first deal. I don't know that I'd recommend doing your first deal on your own. It's probably a little bit better and easier to partner, but that's how I did it.

So. That is a great question that our audience does want to hear, like getting started. If you might just kind of touch on some of those valuable lessons that you learned and what you would really recommend to folks that are looking at syndicating, you know.

Sure.

I just think it's important for people to hear that.

Yeah. So look, I think, I think all of us have some level of experience, if you will, or strengths within three buckets. Time, talent and treasure.

Right.

So if you're younger, you might have a lot of time, especially if you don't have, have a family. If you're, you know, more experienced, you start to get some talent, you know, that's the experience side of the bucket. And if you've been successful in some other ventures, you probably have some treasure or some, some money saved out that you can use as investment. So depending on where you are in your journey, like each of those bus buckets have different advantages to different groups of people. Even if you're young with not much experience or money for that matter. Right. You're going to have some time and that's very valuable to high performing executives or real estate people that don't have the time. So, so there's always something that you can bring to the table to get started. Right. And I think that's really, really important because in, in real estate, it's One of the things I love about it is, is there's so many different facets to it, right? If. If you're on the outside, you might just put real estate all into one bucket. But there's so many different aspects of real estate, and you could be successful in a lot of them that you can really kind of find your niche or find out what you like to do and focus on that and just become really successful in it.

So.

So for me, I. I had. I guess I had. I had treasure because I had sold a business and I had talent because I ran and grew a successful business. I had a lot of contacts, so I did have talent as well. And then I just sold my business. So I guess I did have time, right? To some degree. Although at that point, I had. I think I had three. Three kids, the fourth on the way at that point. So that was definitely eating away at the time, part of it. But I certainly had a good background. And so I went into real estate. And one of the things that might be obvious or not, but if you're getting into real estate or you're doing your first deal, you don't do your deal on day one, right? You've got to be nurturing this thing. And it's something that we've learned from Robert and Russell, the real estate guys. You got to be a farmer, and you got to kind of nurture. Nurture your. Your Persona, nurture yourself, nurture your. Your contact list, right? And it takes time to do that. Especially if you're transitioning from one career to another career, that. That could really take some time. And the longer you've been in that first career, the longer it takes to transition, but the more experience you have, ultimately, that can be a really big advantage for you. So. So I did have a bit of a transition. It took some time. I was very deliberate about what I wanted to do and. And just kept away at it. One of my. One of my core values is grit for my company. So to me, that I'm all about grit. I mean, you guys know me well enough, right? I mean, I get down, I hustle, I'm not afraid to roll up the sleeves. And grit, for me, is a big part of my success.

Oh, I love that. I love that. Me too.

And I love that you laid out those three different buckets, because I think there are misconceptions that people have about being able to get into this space. Everybody thinks that they've got to have money or they've got to have whatever they have in their Mind. But there are ways to partner with people and it's really important to find those people that have, you know, maybe you have time. You've got to find somebody that's got the treasure, you've got to find somebody that's got the talent. And it's just a matter of putting those buckets together, you know, to create the full package. And so I love that you brought that up.

Yeah.

And interestingly, you did that project on your own. And so moving from, you know, working independently and syndicating, you've then brought in partners since then for projects going forward. Is that correct?

Yeah, yeah. And it's totally a different approach. And frankly, I'd recommend partnering for people that are really starting unless you really have those three buckets. Like, you know, I was fortunate enough to have. It can be really quite risky to do a first deal on your own. But, but there's a lot of like now I partner. Right. So all my first deals that were like in Long Beach, I did all on my own and I learned a lot, I worked a ton. They were smaller deals, but now I transitioned to partnering and that was partly through, through the inner circle group that, that we're all a part of. Right. Like last year I said, hey, I really want partnerships. I want to do deals with other people, bigger deals, out of state deals. Because being in California became very difficult during COVID It kind of exacerbated some of the issues that we have as, as a landlord or business owner, frankly, for that matter, in California is very difficult. So for me, investing out of state was very attractive and was also attractive for a lot of my investors. And once you do that, like, you really need to have good partnerships and, and you need to do bigger deals to the effort of everybody. You can't do a small deal with partners. It's just, there's not enough meat on the bone. So you do have to partner with people. And, and my first, my first partnership deal was in Orlando, Florida and that was a 53 million dollar building, 200 unit apartment building. And so much different than what I was doing before. But a lot of my experiences again translated into the new partnership and, and so I, I started doing bigger deals now.

Well, that's awesome. I, I kind of sat on the sidelines in some of the asset classes that I've wanted to get into because starting out, you know, I didn't know what I didn't know. And so, you know, I latched on. I, I had, you know, this, you know, shiny object syndrome where I wanted to get involved in everything. But then I ended up kind of sticking to the asset classes that I was very comfortable in and very knowledgeable. Been really kind of tapping into some of these experts in these other areas so that I can learn and kind of figure out and just to make sure that I know everything that I need to know before moving into it.

Sure.

I want to bring up something, Chad, that you mentioned, that collectively the three of us are all part of an inner circle and the power of aligning yourself with like minded folks. So that might be a mastermind or an inner circle or some form of a group. And so clearly that's had a really positive impact in your business and scaling. And so what might you share with our audience today about. About that, about those relationships?

Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think it's critical. And I was a little late to the game. Not little. I was very late to the game in understanding that and appreciating. You know, I was kind of a formal education guy as. As, you know, and actually I went on and I got a third master's degree and. And like, I've always been very, like, focused on education. Like, I. I'd kind of be the guy that might go to a conference and, you know, be in the front row and then take it all in and then like, go back to my room and take down notes and try to figure things out. Right. Like, the whole networking side of it I totally disregarded and really, like, I don't know to my demise is the right word, but. But it was a shortfall. Right? It was definitely. It was hind. I didn't really realize it. And so I never had any mentors until just a few years ago. I never joined any mastermind groups until just a few years ago. And. And now, like, it's like I see the light like, oh my gosh, these partnerships are amazing. I can learn so much from other people. I don't need to, like, go through all this, you know, school of hard knocks and. And whatnot. And it makes a really big difference. And I think, you know, Robert Russ say it best, like, like mentorship programs or mastermind groups help you compress time frames.

Yeah.

So if you're a smart person, you work hard, like you're gonna get there. Right. You don't even have to be that smart, actually. If you, if you just work hard and don't give up, like, you're gonna get there. Right. But it could take a really long time. So if you want to compress a timeframe and get from point A to Point B, faster. A mastermind group is an amazing way to do that. And, and I, I've learned so much more that way. And, and so now, like, I, I go to the same seminars over and over again, and some people make fun of me that I'm a slow learner.

But it's, you know, I, I told somebody, yeah. Somebody said, haven't you gone to Secrets of Successful Syndication like five times now? And I said, yes, but kind of like reading a book or watching a movie, you know, every time I rewatch a movie, I, I see something I don't remember seeing last time. You know, same thing with books. What little nuggets or tidbits that are impactful that you're going to pick up that maybe didn't register with you last time or maybe, you know, different things have happened over the course of a year where information, you're going to be able to take that and utilize it and apply it in a way that you just didn't realize it before. So all of these things, yes, I've done it five times. I will continue to go because I continue to meet amazing people doing amazing things. And that's really where the magic happens, is getting in that room and talking to people and strategizing and, and hearing. So it's like a fast track. These masterminds and conferences are the fast track to getting where to achieving your goals.

Courtney, I just want to mention one thing about that. I think we've probably all come to realize that when we go to these events, we're super jazzed, and it's, you know, it's awesome. And you walk away with great information and all these new folks that you've met or you've, you've seen folks, you know, and you're strengthening those relationships. But coming back and putting the context of what you've learned into action is really important, you know. And again, we'll talk about the real estate guys, you know, education for effective action. You know, they, they say that. And so it's so true, you know, because I think in my wealth journey and business creation, one of the things that I've seen evidence of so strongly this last year is coming back and taking action on those things that's, that's occurred with our podcast, our business lines. Chad, you've probably done the same thing with, you know, investing outside of California, aligning yourself with, you know, partnering with other individuals. You, you've taken some action, bigger action in a window of time that wouldn't have happened otherwise. So all the things that we're talking about are possible. And another thing that you mentioned was late to the game and kind of understanding the power of those relationships. I think some folks may look at themselves as being late to the game because they're too old to start something that they've always thought about. And I'm. I am clearly the oldest one on this panel today. I am in my mid-50s. And I will tell you that you are not too late to the game for any piece of it. Don't look back on life with I wish I woulda, coulda, shoulda attitude. The worst thing that's going to happen soon as you're going to try something and it's not going to go well, it might go great, you know, or you will fail and you will learn. And so get out there and try put that stake in the ground and take some action. Because right here today, I mean, Courtney, Chad, y' all are action takers. And I mean, you know, there is proof of concept in your successes. And so I love the fact that your minds are bent towards doing that.

So.

Kudos. Kudos. Hey, I want to ask a question. And I only know this because, again, talking about relationships, Chad and another individual who's in the syndication business, I had the privilege of hosting them in my home a couple of evenings ago. And Chad was talking about his amazing wife and that had. And I was talking about how are you supporting her? This is really important because you do have a brood of kiddos. And he said he was her mom for a whole week while she. He supported her and going away. And I'm going to take care of the kids. So I think it's really powerful to talk about how do you juggle kids and all of their activities and all the different ages that you've got and you're running a successful business and how did you do that by yourself?

Yeah, that. That is.

I want to praise you for that because that was awesome.

I love that the struggle is real, the bags under the eyes, you know, like, I'm in the trenches right now. It's. Yeah. So I have five kids, no help at home. You know, like, like, my, my, my wife's from England and her mom lives in England. Her dad passed away last year. And. And my parents, they're not around. So. So it is a lot of. It's just us, right. And no nanny and stuff like that. And people are like, well, why don't you hire a nanny or two? And it's like, I live in Los Angeles on one income with seven mouths to feed. You know, like, like, like there's only so much to go around. So anyway, so, so we're like in the trenches with it and, and I, I travel a lot. Like you guys know, I was at 18 different conferences last year. Like really leaning into, to building that, that network and the relationships and, and it's really, really hard on her. And, and it's, frankly, it's really tough on me. You know, I mean, you guys probably know this at some point, you know, when, when the kids were saying, mom, mom, mom, can you, you know, just play with me for two minutes? And you're like, I can't, I gotta work or I gotta do this. And it's, it's really hard to say no. And I'm in the saying no stage right now, which is painful. And the thing about, about moms, you know, and, and my wife, she, she worked up until she had the third kid and, and then it just got to be too much. And, and she'll tell you now that she works more now than she ever has in her life. Right? I mean, she like wishes she could go back to work just to have like a break.

Break.

Yes, yes.

I mean, it's like, it's non, it's non stop. And I have, I have so much respect for, you know, stay at home moms that are raising kids. My mom did that for me. It was very, very helpful. And, and it's, it's really tough, right? Really, really hard. And so I, I try, I try to be supportive of her, but it's really tough. I mean, I'm working like 70 hours a week right now, at least six days a week. And it's just, it's hard. So, so she wanted to go visit her mom for, for a birthday and this was only like maybe two months ago now. And, and so I told her, I'm like, all right, well you go to London. And she wanted to bring the kids with her. I'm like, you can't bring kids for a weekend with a time change that. Like, they're gonna be a mess for half the time. So I just told her, I said, you go away, I'll take the time off work and, and watch the kids. And oh man, let me tell you, that some software, because it's not like, you know, like I tell you, I'm working a lot right now. Like, maybe I'm working like from, I don't know, eight to eight to seven or eight to eight, you know, 12 hour days. Right? Well, like as a mom and for us we have a 17 year old and we have a one year old and everything in between. So the teenagers stay up till 1:00 clock in the morning. They, the 1 year old and 3 year old, they get up at, at, you know, 6:00am so like really the house is quiet from like 1 to 1 to 6. Right. You got five hours and it's nonsense. So like a mom's day or a stay at home parents day does not end at the end of the workday. It just, it goes on and on and on. So it's tough. I try to support her when I can, but at the end of the day I got to pay the bills and unfortunately that's got to take priority right now. And I will say one more thing on that. And that's why passive income is so important to me. And I know we're trying to bring people along in this journey of creating passive income so that you, you make an investment now, whether that's in with your time or your money, make an investment now that's going to continue to pay on indefinitely. And real estate is a great way to do that and that, that's what I'm trying to do for other people, bring them along this passive income journey.

Yeah, I love that. Chad, you are like one of the most genuine real folks. And your wife, I just want to give her a ribbon for, in a trophy.

She deserves it. Deserves it.

It's hard. It's really hard. And that, you know, tr, like, yeah, yeah. True wealth to me is having the money but having the time, because, you know, that time with your family, you don't, you don't get it back. And so I'm kind of in that same trenches right now, you know, working and working. And I met this young man at Sauce a couple of days ago and he's newly married. They've got a baby on the way. And he was like, you know, what nuggets can you pass on to me? And I told him, I said, you know, you know, my husband is an undercover narcotics officer. He is on call 24 hours a day. He gets hauled out all the time. But I think one of the biggest things for us is that he's very supportive of what I'm doing and I'm very supportive of what he's doing. So we've got this big support system in each other and, and it takes both of us. I mean, we're both, you know, grinding away, trying to get things done, you know, shuffling kids and everything else. But it's, it's a team effort and it's Tough. I've got four. Two of them are out of the house now, so it's gotten a little bit easier. And my youngest one's 14, so they're very self suffic. But, you know, I'm always thinking, okay, have I spent enough time with the kids? And we have actually stopped to actually schedule out that time and putting that time with our kids and that time with each other on our calendar and booking around that so that we can make sure that we are pouring into each other and pouring into our kids because it's. I got into a really bad habit a couple of years ago in. Where, you know, Simon Bailey said something the other day, and he said, you know, his spouse said, you know, I'm tired of getting the leftovers, you know, what's left of you. And I just. That was such a powerful statement that, you know, I. I've got to schedule that in and schedule everything around it because they were kind of getting the leftovers. They were getting my leftover time. And it's.

It's tough.

It's a struggle. You know, we've got that wheel of, you know, health and time and work and family and everything, and keeping that balanced is a challenge all on its own.

But that's a journey too, you know, because I'm in a little different season of life where I don't have kids living at home anymore. I get two that are completely off payroll and which is beautiful. And a third one then.

Are they really off the payroll? I mean, does that really ever actually happen?

Actually, yeah. You do it in different ways, you know.

I'm just kidding. My. My older kids are great. They're super, super different ways.

Like, sometimes it's like, you know, you plan a trip and it's like, you know, maybe where they're at with. They can't afford airfare or whatever, and it's like, you know, you kind of pick up on that. But I think that, you know, it's like your wealth journey, your health journey, your relationship journey with. With your. Your children and your spouse, you know, you want to give them the best. And so that. That shifts a little bit. You know, you're able to kind of flip that dial a little bit. And so we're all. We're all doing that at the different seasons of our life. And so, you know, Chad, Courtney and I would share with you, you know, just continue to, you know, if it means you just got to put something down because, you know, you're just gonna spend some time or take your kiddo to whatever that practice is those will be the things that they remember. It's not that you're sitting there, you know, working some magical, fantastic deal, which we all want to do, but you know, we just kind of, kind of continue to encourage each other on that. Well, I do want to mention one more thing. You have really been in the multi family space and you are really pressing into some other asset classes and you know, it might be the economy and the state of the economy that's kind of causing you to look at some of that. I'm not sure. But you want to kind of expound on that and talk a little bit about this new asset class that you're looking at. That's, that's really a lucrative space.

Sure, yeah. Multifamily has been great and, and I've done a fair amount of it. I've been interested in self storage for a long time and so I knew, I knew that I wanted to get into that more. So, so the way I did that and again coming back to education, learning a lot more about, about self storage, you know, studying the asset class, following different operators, investing passively, which I think is a great way to learn about the whole business. So I invested passively in, in self storage projects and, and then finally now I'm just, I'm bringing my first self storage deal to market which is part of the reason why I was in, in Houston with you guys and, and you know, looking at a portfolio, properties outside of Houston. So, so that's kind of how I made the transition. I think self storage is great. It tends to be a very recession resistant asset class which could be, could be important here in the near future. And so yeah, we're excited to bring that as, as our first offering to, to investors.

I love that.

Awesome. And I love that you said that you invested in it first because that has been kind of what? Well, you know, I have invested in multifamily, invested in storage and some other things that way that I can kind of dip in, you know, get my feet wet and really check out what that looks like. But also I like to look at, you know, how are people managing these deals? How are they relaying that information? You know, how, what do I, what would I do differently? And that way I can kind of take in all of it that way if I'm looking at moving into that asset class, I've had some experience passively and how people that I look up to and, and you know, trust how they're managing it and how they're working with that type of property or asset class.

Totally. I agree.

Yeah, really true. So true in all of those areas. Well, Chad, we want to just thank you for your time today. You've shared so much. I think that touches on so many different places. And Courtney, you've brought up some amazing points. You know, even just in the last little area we talked about that sometimes our journey takes us into being a limited partner in projects for passive income. And then if we're comfortable enough with it and we all have the aspirations, moving into GP positions and syndicating deals and still creating passive income. So it's really about, you know, your wealth journey and what you're aspiring to do. The. Chad, you've really shown us how you can come from a space of really focused on education, multi businesses, how important working with family is, the sacrifices that your brother made to bring you on, the sacrifice that you made from a financial standpoint to get into a new business line. And sometimes we all have to do that or have done that and all the different buckets that we might be able to offer, offer value back to someone, which really is how we can get started in projects, how important relationships are and family. You know, we've, we've all kind of talked on that. And Courtney, you brought up some, some really big pieces on that, on, on saying no and creating time and calendaring space. So important.

Yeah.

Wow. Great, great recap.

She's good. I was just sitting here going like the best recap ever.

My journey. This is.

Are you reading notes like.

So anyway. But Chad, really you want to share with our, our listeners how they can reach out to you and how they can find you Because I know you are going to resonate with someone here that's going to reach out.

Sure. Yeah. I think the best way is on any social media is just CSQ Properties either LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, also CSQ Properties.com and we have an ebook on there on why entrepreneurs should be investing in apartments, which I think is very helpful. I mean I've been on the entrepreneur journey and that's kind of the people that I like to serve and help the most. So I put together a pretty, pretty elaborate book on that and so they can.

I'm sure it is very elaborate. I'm sure it's really good. Seriously.

Awesome interject there.

Really. I meant that sincerely. I'm sure it's very thorough. Really.

Well, it's always great to have investors need resources to tap into. I'm always looking at information and I think one of the best ways to get educated is to tap into those books and resources and everything else that people are putting out there so that you can really get educated in a space and decide if that's something you want to move into. So that's great. I will make sure to share that so that people can get to it.

Yeah.

Awesome.

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