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You're listening to the Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey. Give me the parasite story according to Dr. Gundry.

Well, you know, one of the arguments against the China Study and how bad meat was for you and animal protein was for you is they didn't bother to compensate for the fact that liver flukes are a really big problem in China and that if you actually correlated everything that they said happened with the China Study and meat, it was the liver flukes that were actually the problem, not the meat. Anyhow. So, yeah, parasites are very interested in us, but there are some interesting human studies that these sorts of parasites, which are temporary, can modulate the immune system. There is a communication between our microbiome, our mycobiome, our fungibiome, that, and parasitic parasites that do communicate with the immune system. I went to medical school at Georgia, and hookworms were actually incredibly common among the particularly poor people who went around barefoot all the time. And we would actually see kids with eosinophilia, a type of white blood cell that's classic for allergies. And. Well, one of our professors of pediatric surgery, we'd have one of these kids in our hospital, and he'd ask us for a hemostat, tweezers, and he'd go up a little kid's nose, and he'd pull out this fabulous hookworm out of the kid's nose, and we'd all go, whoa. And this was actually the same institution that pioneered fecal transplant for C. Difficile infections back in the mid-70s. How do I know? Because medical students once a week took a crap in what was called the honeypot. And we put the feces from medical students into a wearing blender and gave people medical student fecal enemas for the treatment of cudifacil. And it resolved dramatically. So, yeah, parasites. What goes on in the gut is very interesting.

It's also interesting that the vast majority of parasites people get are coming from plants, aren't they? Oh, and raw plants like salad greens and fruits. And you get all these radical vegans saying you're parasites. And meat. No, no, no. We cook the meat, dumbasses. That kills them. It's the salad that's causing parasites. Correct. Can you walk people through that?

Well, and it's interesting if you look at most of the big epidemics of even bacterial infections and parasitic infections, Giardia is a classic. Particularly if you go to Mexico or South America or happen to buy foods, particularly organic foods from Mexico, leafy greens, you may very well end up with a Good case of giardia, which is more than happy to take over your intestinal tract for. For quite some time. And people go, but I eat, you know, so healthy. Well, so many times the organic vegetables are fertilized with manure, and we forget that we are what we eat, but we are what the thing we're eating ate. And so you just. You gotta be careful out there.

I had something happen to me a while ago in Phoenix. I had a salad at a restaurant. Next morning, I had disaster pants, and I would crap 20 times a day, and it was horrible. So I got all the parasite samples, all the gut bacteria, all the things you do at a GI doctor. Nothing. They could not find it. I went to a specialist who sent it off to Africa. Couldn't find it. And finally I found this old, old guy right next to Central park in New York City, recommended by a friend. And he wrote six textbooks on tropical medicine in his career. And he also ran public health for New York State for several years. This is his 80s. Just. Most fascinating guy I've met a long time. And he. He says, oh, all these young doctors, they never look in there to find where the parasites are. Good parasites aren't going to leave. They're going to stay inside. Bend over, like, oh, God. So he gets his, you know, little flashlight hose thing and goes in and got there. It is 10 inches up. I'm like, 10 inches. Good God. Thankfully, it was a flexible hose. He goes, all right, I got a sample. Call me in two hours. I'll tell you what you got.

Okay?

This is after thousands of dollars of taking different stuff, of trying everything. Calls me and says, you got. You have a kind of amoeba that tunnels through the lining of your gut and forms cysts in your brain. Fortunately, I know your gut lining looks like it's still intact. Like, thank you, collagen. Thank you. Eating all the good stuff. He said, oh, and you have giardia. It looks like it's been there for a while. And take these. He gave me two pills. I don't remember what they were. I should have written them down. It was $1,200 at the pharmacy. And I stopped shitting after two days of being on the right medication for this thing. And he's saying, no doctor knows this stuff anymore. It's a lost art. But he said, why did you get this? Because whoever prepped that salad at that restaurant, they had the 3am job. You know who gets the job at 3am the people who just came in from Central and South America were Most likely to have parasites because that's their entry level jobs in restaurant, as you're learning the language. So it's a sanitation issue. But it wasn't from eating steak, it wasn't from eating pork, dirty pork. It was from eating salad. So if you're a vegan and you think I have parasites, let's do a parasite throwdown. I have less parasites than me.

You know, that's interesting. Almost all of my patients who have these really bad GI issues with, you know, chronic diarrhea or new acute onset diarrhea or abdominal cramping, almost always their open parasite tests are completely negative. And I think you're right. I think this is just a bad test to make this diagnosis.

Do you take anti parasitics regularly? Herbal or pharmaceutical just to be on the safe side?

Well, you know, interesting. Turmeric has some interesting anti parasite qualities. So does berberine. And so I take both of those nearly constantly. Quercetin also has some antiparasitic properties, so those are useful to help with your armamentarium.

Can we talk about berberine for a minute?

Sure.

All right, so for listeners, berberine's an herb that does something similar to metformin from a longevity perspective, a blood sugar control perspective. Metformin is something that some people in the longevity field have been taking for a while to reduce their speed of aging. I started taking it in 2003 when the first study came out and stopped taking it in 2006 because it wasn't working the way it was supposed to work. And I've been generally opposed to it. I've tried it a couple more times. It reduces mitochondrial function. So I don't think metformin is a good thing. And most people who start metformin and they're big cheerleaders, I'm like, give em three years, VO2 max goes down. It's not the right drug. So berberine came online. So of course I'm taking berberine, but I had two episodes of abnormally low, potentially fatal heart rate during times of stress and you know, down to 30 beats a second, the blood pressure, 60 over 30 kind of things. You can have something called heart lock that you're surely familiar with from that. And yeah, well do a search on PubMed for Berberine and vagal tone and all the other things that are related to heart lock. And what you'll find is that there are many, many, many, even er, reports of people taking berberine having abnormally low heart rate. It happened to me and one of the times I'm looking at an EpiPen. This is in the back of an Uber and it could have been really, really bad. That was after a medical procedure. Both of these were. And James Clements, who's been on the show and is another one of those, those guys in the longevity field. I've known him for 25 years. He's. He's the guy who flew around and gathered DNA from everyone over a hundred so George Church could analyze it. James had the same experience with him. We couldn't figure out why our heart rate kept going lower and lower and lower. So berberine is not without risk. And I sell these people just, you know, dihydroxy berberine. You know, I'm doing enemas with it now. It's going to save my life. Guys. It's a double edged sword. All pharmaceuticals are, and so are some of the plant compounds. But I was going to say a view with your cardiology background. You come across any of that in yourself or in patients or you ever seen it?

Luckily, knock on wood, I haven't seen that particular effect of berberine. I think some people say, well, if some is good, a whole lot is a lot better. And there is a slippery slope with supplements. So the first to tell people that.

Gotcha. So I'm, I think you should use it. But if you see a heart rate and your aura ring are telling you weird stuff, you should pay attention to that. Interesting. Melatonin can do something too. A very high dose melatonin can cause cardiac irregularities. I can see it on my aura ring. When I took 40 milligrams I ended up in the hospital with arrhythmias until two.

Right.

Until two in the afternoon. Like, oh, I figured that one out. You know, 40 milligrams of melatonin will reliably do that to me. Even though some people take 100 milligrams to deal with cancer. So it's one of those things where you just have to have your own fainting couch and then you're fine.

Now there's now a 60 milligram melatonin tablet that's commercially available.

Yeah, if I took that, it would be really, really bad. So I would say if you're going to try that, you should ramp up instead of just going all in play.

What I do with my patients, we start slow and work our way up.

And it's life changing. If you can take high doses and you need it, I mean it's a very potent thing.

We talked about olive oil and one.

Of its benefits, there's a downside to too Much olive oil isn't there?

Depends on how you define too much. The predimed study forced people to use a liter of olive oil every week. That's 10 to 12 tablespoons a day. One has to remember that many lipopolysaccharides hop on oil carriers called chylomicrons to get through the wall of the gut. And so even olive oil potentially can raise LPS levels in, in the body, which I don't think is a good thing. Interestingly enough, in the plant paradox, people didn't realize it, but for two weeks, when we started anybody's program, we eliminated olive oil and other fats from the diet for two weeks because of that problem. But I think the only purpose of food is to get olive oil into your mouth.

I'm a fan of olive oil. I worry about the amount of, you know, 16% linoleic acid that, that's in it. It's, it's got enough that I wouldn't want to replace all my oil with it. So I use a tablespoon or two in salads. So I, I've, I've seen some things around how having enough linoleic acid increases all sorts of negative things in, in your cells. And I, I actually talked with Brian Johnson about this a little bit, too. So I'm trying to figure out the sweet spot, recognizing there's hydroxy tyrosol, there's all kinds of good stuff that's in olive oil, and it is definitely metabolically slowing compared to things like stearic acid. So I think at some point we're going to look at your genes and maybe your gut bacteria, and we're going to figure out for you, you need to know a half a cup, and for you, you need a tablespoon, and for you, you need, we're going to get to that level of customization to figure out, all right, what are the types of chains of fats that are going to be perfect for you? And in the meantime, I've gone from, you know, there's times where I was doing only olive oil to times where I'm primarily saturated and I, I decorate with olive oil for flavor and antioxidant benefits and metabolic benefits. But I don't go all in on it, and I'm, I don't know the right answer to that. And I'm wondering if.

Well, I'm, I'm a huge fan of perilla oil, which is almost pure linolenic acid.

Short chain, omega 3 linolenic, not linoleic. Big difference.

Linolenic correct. The omega 3, not the omega 6. It's almost pure linolenic acid and I use about half perilla oil and half olive oil in my salad dressings. Anyone who has anti LPS antibodies and there are a lot in my practice, I take away all their oils except sesame and perilla oil and we've seen dramatic reductions in anti LPSs.

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I think the first thing to recognize is if our gut is inflamed and our gut barrier is broken and leaky, the nutrients we take in are not properly absorbed and metabolized. So you could be eating the cleanest diet and taking the best supplements in the world. But if your gut is broken, if your gut is inflamed, if you don't have the right bacteria to help with nutrient absorption, a lot of that is quite literally just going down the toilet. So that's kind of point one. Yes. And then on top of that, you're right. You know, our bacteria play an essential role in health, helping to break down and metabolize many of the nutrients we're getting from food and even from supplements. And so again, if you don't have these good bacteria in the right amounts in your gut, they als your body will struggle to get the proper amount of nutrients from the food you're eating.

Okay, so it matters pretty strongly.

Yes.

Okay. What is the number one thing harming people's guts today, especially in the U.S.

Yes, I, I honestly, it's a question we get a lot. I would say it's a bucket of things and I call them the longevity busters or the gut health busters. And the way I think about this is anything that's creates stress on your gut, and that is top and foremost, an overly processed diet. Too much sugar, chemicals, toxins from the environment, overuse of medications that disrupt the gut flora, especially antibiotics, but also, you know, other medications. And then lastly, not to forget stress, stress, mental and emotional stress has a negative impact on our gut flora. It increases stress overall in the body and also can diminish the bacteria in the gut. And if you think how many people in the US across the world are stressed right now, that's a huge impact on our health, mental and physical.

All right, we know that stress causes leaky gut. Do we know that taking probiotics when you're stressed will stop leaky gut?

Yes, we actually have the studies, we've shown in multiple studies that taking omnibiotic stress release even for just four weeks has a 48% reduction in Zonulin. Now, zonulin is a marker for leaky gut. So what does that tell us? Taking omnibiotic stress lease actually supports your gut barrier and helps reduce this system immune incidence of leaky gut. In addition, you know, omnibiotic stress release also increases your short chain fatty acid producing bacteria, which is really important also for just overall colon health and health throughout the body, and it helps reduce inflammation in the colon, which is also a huge contributing factor to leaky gut. We've seen this in, in clinical studies using omnibiotic stress release. Checking on those specific endpoints, that's a remarkable.

How many studies in total do you have, like, clinical studies on.

Yeah, so at this point, it's probably well over a hundred now. You know, many of them are published in very reputable journals. Some of them are published in German publications or in Europe. But yeah, at this point, for every formulation, we have multiple studies. And last time I checked, it was well over a hundred.

You talk about human strain probiotics as.

Opposed to, are there companies out there.

Using, you know, cabbage strain probiotics?

What does that mean?

Yeah, that's a great question too. So, you know, with human strain, what we mean is strains that naturally occur in a human intestine. There's other types of probiotic, for example, spore based, that come from the soil. Yes, they can do things in our intestines, but they're often transient. So that means they're not colonizing and living in the intestines. They're passing through. So when we say human strains, we really mean strains that can colonize and live in your intestines so that they can actually basically set up camp there. You know, you're not just taking them and they pass through. They're setting up camp and kind of setting up their own manufacturing plans for. For what they're supposed to be doing in our body.

There's a relatively famous bad bacteria called Clostridium difficile. It's. It runs rampant in nursing homes, it causes really bad diarrhea, and it actually kills people that have weakened immune systems. But most people don't know this. There are beneficial strains of Clostridium that live in the gut that can actually push out Clostridium difficile. What does your AB10 strain do that's different for Clostridium?

So AB10 contains 10 probiotic bacterial strains, and the strains are combined in a way that they have really strong pathogen inhibiting properties, including for C. Diff. So what we've seen, both in the lab, in vitro studies as well as in clinical trials, is that omnibiotic A, B10 have helps reduce C. Diff in the body as well as degrade and reduce the toxins that C. Diff produces, which can actually be a big contributor to the symptoms you experience with C. Diff. Um, for example, we actually have a study recently that they did in a Nursing home where diarrhea from just overall these multi drug resistant gram negative bacteria was rampant. And we found a significant reduction, actually a 58% reduction in colonization of intestinal colon colonization of these gram neg negative bacteria in the nursing home residents after they were taking 80, 10 for several weeks.

Wow.

Could you imagine if they just rolled this out at nursing homes?

That would be huge. And you know what? In Europe again, that's what's happening. It is being used in hospitals, it's being used in some nursing homes. And the doctors there realize it's a huge benefit to their patients. It reduces the overall cost of care. In these hospitals, patients are happier, nurses are happier because the patients are feeling better. It's an overall win win. And if you think that that can be done through these good bacteria, it's, it's not a drug, it's a dietary supplement that can be taken once a day, easy. It's a powder, you dissolve it in water, you don't even need to take a pill. You know, it's that easy. And it can have such a huge impact.

Have there been any studies in controlled environments like prisons or schools where they just give it to everyone and then see what happens?

I am not aware. I wish that would be done and actually it's a great idea. I'll pass it on to our team. A lot of the studies we've done have focused on, you know, nursing homes, hospitals, and then healthy volunteers for things like stress release.

It's kind of dark that I said prisons or schools, but there's actually surprising commonality between the lunchrooms and the two, at least in the U.S. yeah. What I have seen is older studies. One was actually at a juvenile detention facility in the US where they gave them just multivitamins. And the incidence of violence dropped so much during the study that afterwards the employees, like the guards, they put their own money pooled to buy multivitamins because it made their workplace so much safer. Because the incident violence went down so much just from basics.

Yeah.

And if we were to put that in an environment like that, well, when your gut health goes up, your brain health goes up. When your brain health goes up, your ability to self regulate goes up. So there's a lot of room for improvement in the way we treat people. And I think doing it in our young people is even more important than in our, our nursing homes.

Yeah, I mean, just, you know, think 90% of the body's serotonin is produced with the help of our good gut bacteria. If you don't have those Gut bacteria that directly affects neurotransmitter production.

What did you see when you looked at the MRIs of people taking your stress release?

I love that study. It's so cool because you can literally see the changes that a probiotic does in your brain activity. So what we did is we had healthy volunteers in two groups, a control group, actually three groups. Control group, placebo and omnibiotic stress release. They took the substance, in this case stress released, for four weeks, and then we looked at various things through an mri, and what we found is that there was actually changes in two big networks in the brain. One is the salience network, and one is the default mode network. And they're responsible for higher cognitive function and attention and focus. So what we see is these changes show that people have improved cognitive function, improved higher processing abilities, and basically a more targeted attention, which is so cool. Again, just by taking a probiotic once a day for four weeks.

That's crazy. Mri. MRI benefits. I'm getting questions from the Upgrade Collective, our live studio audience, and they're asking, do you have to refrigerate it?

No. Let's talk about the delivery mechanism here, because this is a huge component of why omnibiotic is so effective. Omnibiotic does not need to be refrigerated. It comes in these daily little pouches. I actually have a pouch here that I can show you guys. It's this little pouch. It fits perfectly into any handbag backpack on the go. You just mix it in water and you take it. No refrigeration required. The the reason why it's a powder. It was a very mindful decision. We have tested omnibiotic powder versus 10 leading US capsule brands, and what we found is that 83% of the omnibiotic powder reaches the intestines alive and metabolically active, compared to 7% across these 10 other leading brands, many of which were capsules.

That's about 12 times better livability.

Yes. And you want them to reach not just alive, but you want them metabolically active. It's, you know, you kind of want, like, a young, supercharged, happy, energized bacteria to get into your intestine versus one that's already walking on crutches because it was exposed to the gastric acids and the very low pH and the upper intestinal tract. And then it just kind of is barely holding on or possibly dead by the time it reaches your intestine.

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I think I've spent well over a hundred thousand dollars on probiotics over the last 20 years. My gut was really wrecked from all the antibiotics. For me, I was on antibiotics for 15 years. It was maybe once a month I would go on a course, so my gut was just trash and it's much, much better now, so I'm grateful for that. But I have no idea which ones survived and which ones didn't. Can I put it In a smoothie.

Yes, you could. Although you know, the best option is non acidic liquids. So if ideally it's just water, if you're queasy about just putting it in water because it then turns a little milky, you could do non acidic liquids like a non dairy milk. A dairy milk if you're choosing to drink that. Or even, you know, apple juice smoothie is okay as long as it's not acidic. So if you're putting a ton of acidic fruit in your smoothie, for example, then you would not want to do that. But you know, you could also mix it in yogurt. Some people do that especially for kids. Or applesauce. But again, nothing acidic, nothing too hot.

Got it.

So don't add it to your coffee.

Yes, honestly, yes. It's funny. No coffee. And also many people think it's a good idea to put it in your lemon water in the morning.

No, no.

Because that is also acidic. The lemon juice is acidic when. Before it gets into your body. And that would actually kill the bacteria. So then you're just negating the effects.

Okay. When I wake up, I like to do salts or electrolytes in water. Can I do it with salt water or is the salt going to kill it?

Yeah, I would be careful. I am actually not sure. I'm happy to ask our science team, but I would be careful because we also know salt can draw, you know, water out of cells. So I would probably just, you know, it doesn't have to be a lot of water, it can just be a little amount of water. I would just chug it and be done with it.

Then how much longer do I have to wait before I drink my salt water?

So this doesn't really matter because you know, the whole idea is the powder. You rehydrate these freeze dried bacteria before they hit another liquid. So if you rehydrate them in plain water, they wake up, they rehydrate and they actually begin to consume the prebiotic nutrients that are mixed in the powder so they get really strong. And that's what you want because then any other liquid they hit, like the g, the gastric juices in your stomach, for example, they are not even interested in those. They won't absorb them. And that's what actually is the detriment to many of these freeze dried capsules that then if they open in your stomach, for example, they soak up the acid in your stomach and that's what kills them or weakens them tremendously.

Oh, that's actually the best explanation I've Ever heard from omnibiotic about why this delivery mechanism works?

Yes.

It's partially because you have a prebiotic, so there's food to feed them, but it's because by fully hydrating them ahead of time, then. Yeah, there's no reason that they would pull liquid in.

Exactly.

So then they can survive. And that's why 83% survive. But if I take a capsule of any kind of probiotic that comes in. Capsule, it's going to rehydrate using stomach acid and of course that's going to destroy it. Okay.

Yes, exactly.

All right, so let's talk about he talks, which is the omnibiotic product that I like the most. I've been concerned for more than 10 years about endotoxins. And if people have read the bulletproof diet, I talk about lipopolysaccharides, these things made in the gut by your so called bad gut bacteria. And these cause brain fog. I was dealing with such bad brain fog. You were too, with Lyme disease. Right. And you get just this idea that you don't feel. You just don't feel right. Even Wim Hof proved that his therapies worked because he injected endotoxin lipopolysaccharides and showed that he could clear it with his breathing and his cold therapy. So if we can make less endotoxin in our gut or absorb less of it, we get less systemic inflammation, we get better mitochondrial function, we get better cognitive function. What does ketox do for endotoxins?

Yes. So you know, he talks is one of our main probiotics. It supports the gut liver axis. So what do we mean by that? The gut and the liver are connected through the portal vein. So anything we take in into our gut, including environmental toxins, anything kind of the gut metabolizes some of it and digests it. But anything that passes into the bloodstream then gets delivered to the liver for filtration because the liver is our main detoxification organ. If the gut is in disarray and toxins can leak into the bloodstream, then the liver becomes overburdened. And you know, the liver will try and try and try to clear as many as toxins as possible, but eventually they just get recirculated into the bloodstream. Um, what happens then? As you said, brain fog, neuroinflammation, compromised immune system, the list goes on. So omnibiotic he talks replenishes your gut bacteria so that they're really strong, repairs and maintains a strong gut barrier so that these toxins don't even have to get to the liver. And on top of that, we've seen in clinical studies that it also improves liver function. And the coolest, we actually looked at a study with type 2 diabetic patients and just taking omnibiotic Ketox, no additional changes in lifestyle led to a 70% reduction in endotoxins in their blood, a 48% improvements in triglycerides, a 53% reduction in CRP, C reactive protein and an improvement in insulin sensitivity.

So, you know, these are way in excess of what most drugs do.

Yes, and it's again, you know, it's once a day a diet like a probiotic. You just mix in a little water and you drink it and it just improves your cardiometabolic markers, your inflammatory markers, your blood sugar.

When you talk about C reactive protein, this is one of the three lab tests I've been recommending for 10 years. If you're into biohacking, you just wanna see how you're doing, people. Oh, let's do a cholesterol. No, cholesterol isn't a very good indicator of what's going on. What is a good indicator though, is these three tests. One is C reactive protein, which is a measure of systemic inflammation. And it usually means that you have an infection going on. Could be a gut infection from gut bacteria, it could be a tooth infection or something. Maybe it's homocysteine, which is a genetic thing. You need the right methyl donors, the right B vitamins, and there's one called LPPLA2. In LPPLA2 is inflammation from the lining of the arteries, which goes up if your endotoxins go up. So what you're showing though is with a once a day and a little bit of water probiotic that you're reducing endotoxins by 70%, which is kind of amazing. But you're also reducing one of the big three markers of inflammation that I measured to see if your entire system of biohacking is working, which is. It's actually pretty profound. And also in the research that I read to prepare for the interview. What about insulin resistance? What difference did he talks make for that?

Yeah. So, you know, since this was with type 2 diabetic patients, of course we also looked at that and we actually looked at the measure called Homair. So that's one of the measures for insulin sensitivity and we saw a 64% improvement, which for anyone who is diabetic or pre diabetic or even is just looking to stabilize their insulin sensitivity That's a really significant improvement.

That probably outperforms metformin.

I would guess I would have to look at the data for that, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. So the reason I wanted to have you on the show is to talk about this. We're not going to go through all 100 of the studies. Plus, I don't read German for all of them. But for years we've known that you can change your gut bacteria to improve things. And over the past 10 or so years, it's become more and more apparent that we're dialing in on the science. And some really good science is coming out of Europe and specifically out of Germany, which is where you guys have sourced this stuff. So if you're new to biohacking or even if you've been listening to the show for a long time, this is.

Not like what you would do 10 years ago.

Oh, I'll take some acidophilus.

Right.

Especially in the US you just take a pill and hope it worked. I have had some results in the very early days of working on getting my gut working with spore based probiotics though, but nothing like the kind of results we're talking about here. Can you talk about spore based versus omnibiotic, why you don't use spores?

Sure. So, you know, as I briefly mentioned earlier, the idea with omnibiotic is you want to take probiotics that can colonize in your intestines. So you want these, these strains that are natural to the human body. When they reach the intestine, they feel at home. So they start living there, setting up camp and they start reproducing. And you're now not just relying on the supplement that you keep, keep taking. You actually build your own powerhouse inside your gut. Now that gets diminished again through modern lifestyle and things like that. But the idea is that you have these bacteria now living as part of your ecosystem. Spore based probiotics usually are transient. So that means you take them, they have some positive impact, but they don't colonize in your gut, so they eventually leave your body again. That's why at omnibiotic we use these strains that are natural to the human intestine that are not spore based. The other interesting thing is, which I think is a difference also between Europe and the US is that in Europe, some agencies, regulatory agencies actually have raised some concerns about spore based because some spore based probiotics might be tricky if people have a suppressed immune system. So that's you know, that's another kind of aspect that at least omnibiotic is considering.

I do still use spore based probiotics as well. Is there any reason not to use both if you like the spore based ones you're using?

No, I don't think so. I think, you know, again with omnibiotic, the main idea is you really focus on something beyond the gut. So you're thinking, you know, what are your end points? You. You like he talks. So you are really focused on, you know, supporting your detoxification and metabolism, which you can do through omnibiotic. And then if there is a spore based product that maybe, you know, does something else that, that you like and it has some good science and studies behind it, I don't see a reason why they would be, you know, canceling each other out or anything like that. I think what you're really working on, which is why we're here today, is just making sure your gut is the strongest possible. And whatever you need to do for your gut to make that happen, I would say that's really the end goal.

What have you found works to make.

Your pineal gland work?

And how do you know it's working?

My, you know, my favorite substance probably if I had to pick one thing, would be iodine as far as its ability to decalcify the pineal gland, because it is the halogen. You know, you have the fluoride, bromine chloride and iodine. And a good form of iodine is what I've found has the ability to decalcify the pineal gland. And not only that, every cell in the body requires iodine. And it's. That's.

Do you like Lugols or do you use it topically? Do you take it orally? How much do you take?

Yeah, so I actually developed a nascent iodine, which is in a certified organic glycerin base and it was the first certified organic iodine product on the market. However, Lugol's. I love Lugol's. I just didn't want the, I wanted to kind of increase and come up with my own innovation in iodine or with iodine. So. And I, I think that. And Dr. Brownstein, who's a friend of mine who's been doing, you know, massive amounts of studies on thyroid and endocrine disorders.

Yeah, big name in that field, right?

In iodine. He, him and I both agree that about 25 milligrams a day is really, really good for anybody. And that's 25,000 micrograms I know that sounds like a lot, but anybody who's suffering from endocrine disruption. And now we know that iodine can start pulling out mercury, lead, cadmium, strontium, from the body. We also now have anecdotal evidence now from people that suffer from hypersens, emf, hypersensitivity syndrome, that have tried everything out there and they're getting the best results with taking iodine.

Now, that dose of iodine is, is larger than I've seen from almost anyone. The, the largest dose that I've seen recommended is something like 14 or 18 milligrams. From some of the books on adrenal fatigue and, and problems. But people with Hashimoto's are usually told, don't take any iodine. It might make your Hashimoto's worse. What's your take on that?

My take is they're not getting the proper iodine testing done. Dr. Brownstein and Dr. Guy Abraham are the ones that develop the only iodine loading loading test. And there's only one facility I think now in the United States that does that testing. If people go in and get blood iodine testing, it's not, it's not accurate. What I think is, and what we've seen is that when you start taking iodine, your body's going to start pulling out all the brominated compounds and the fluoride. And it could take up to six months to a year before your iodine. Your thyroid levels come back to normal. And what you usually see is, you see if, if the individual is going into the doctor, their endocrinologist, and getting all of their iodine precursors and all their T3, T4 and TSH and all that, you usually see it go in a cycle like this. So, and that's the reason why the endocrinologists say, oh, get off the iodine, get off the iodine, because you're going to have Hashimoto's, you're going to have hyper, then you're going to have hypo, and it's just going to cycle itself until all of those toxic allergens are out of the system and your body's able to repair itself again. But just like with fibrocystic pcos and fibrocystic breasts and anything reproductive, I mean, that's just a, a telltale sign of severe iodine deficiency and mental retardation in children. I mean, it's, you could pretty much link iodine deficiency to every single health condition.

It was, it's true. In my, my book on fertility called the better baby book from like 2011, you look at what even slightly low iodine does to lower IQ.

There are studies, okay, guys, this is.

10 years ago from writing. But if I'm remembering this right, there was something like an average of 5 IQ points globally lower than we should be, just because of parts of the world where kids don't get enough iodine when they're in the womb. So there, there's definitely something to be said for it. Most functional medicine doctors I know don't go as high as the doses you're talking about. And what I have found is whether I'm using it topically, you just rub it on your arm or whether you're drinking it in water, Is that when you hit your limit for the day, and mine is far lower than that, you get water coming out of your nose. It's not like your nose is running. It's like you have water in your nose. It's the weirdest thing, but at that point, you've sort of hit your limit. And I did go through for years, I would take high dose iodine. And I feel like I don't. I kind of hit my limit on that. I take iodine, I make some iodine capsules that are, you know, 150 micrograms or something. But if I do even, you know, three drops on my arm, I get a runny nose. So I feel like I finally reached ion sufficiency. But most people listening are woefully low on it. Iodized sea salt isn't gonna do much for us. Sea salt has no iodine. But even iodized chemical salt is not gonna do a lot for you.

Cause it's just such a low dose.

Okay, so you're a big fan of that.

All right.

And what is nascent iodine versus all the other forms?

Nascent iodine is just an I1 instead of an I2 or it's not bonded to something. So iodine in its original form can be a gas. It can be a gas and it can be toxic if it's coming out in the crystalline form form. So you really have to take it through a detoxification process or a bonding process. And it's very hard actually to stabilize a I1 instead of a bonded iodide or like a potassium iodide. So. But, you know, with lots of experimentation, we were able to utilize and invent actually a new form of processing, which is a glycerospheric, like a lipospheric. But this is a glycerophric Technology where we're actually able to wrap the glycerin molecule around the iodine and stabilize it. And it's normally if you were to just put iodine crystals in something and you don't detoxify it, it can be like the iodine you get at the drugstore, which you do not want to drink. It's good for your skin. But this is an active form of iodine, which means it's the I one with a, with a, a strong electron ability. So that means it goes in and it actually helps detoxify and helps repair any damaged tissue a lot faster. Now that's not to say that Lugol's, which is a combination of free iodine and potassium iodide, doesn't work. Actually, lugolose was the first antibiotic. I mean, we submitted a 17 page paper to the White House for iodine's effectiveness against COVID 19. And if you look at the studies back in around the Spanish flu, it was incredible. I mean there's no microorganism that can survive in an iodine rich environment. And that brings me to your point about the biotoxins and the mold and the fungus. When we were doing our research and iodine for that as well, on the root cause of disease and we finished it all, we basically came to the conclusion of common sense and simplicity. The root cause of all disease in our opinion is toxic air, toxic food, toxic water, toxic beverages, heavy metals, chemical exposure, electromagnetic frequency exposure, microbial infestation. Microbial infestation is huge. Fungus, mold, parasites, bacteria, viruses, mycoplasms, physical and emotional stress levels, and negative belief patterns. I mean that pretty much was the conclusion and that, you know, back in the mid-90s they were like, well, what, what do you mean toxicity? That, how can that be the root cause of disease? Well, we knew that everybody had a self healing mechanism. I mean, this is kind of what, what we found out is that we're all born with the ability to heal ourselves. We all have a self healing mechanism. And if someone's taking in 200,000 toxins from air every day, 200,000 toxins from water and food and all this, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, stuffing up our body with all these chemicals and toxins and at the same time we're not, we, we found that people weren't eliminating. So the next step that we went to was we knew that all of these things were the root cause. But then we looked at, well, how does the body actually eliminate these things? Naturally. And so men have four elimination routes and women have five elimination routes. So you're going to sweat them out, you're going to breathe them out with respiration, which is through your exercise, that, those, those you can do together. You're going to urinate them out and you're going to defecate them out. And with women, they have their menstrual cycle once a month. So we said, okay, so let's say someone's bringing in 2 million toxins on a daily basis. Let's look at what's going on. Well, this person's sick. They have all kinds of symptoms. How, how, how much are they urinating? Oh, well, they're only urinating, you know, they're not drinking any water, number one. So their urination path, their urination elimination is shut down. How much are they defecating? Well, they're not eating the right foods. They're clogging up their system. They're, they're eating and it's taking over 72 hours transit time, which means the proteins are turning putrefactic, the carbohydrates are fermenting, the fats are turning rancid. Inside their system they're having one bowel movement a week, maybe one bowel movement every couple of days.

So they're, how common is that? I don't know anyone who like poops every two or three days. Is it just because all my friends are healthy?

Yeah. Okay, just look at the animals, right? The animals that eat good live things, right? How many times does a bird poop, A bird poop? How many times does a cow poop, a horse poop? I mean they do two or three times a day.

So I raise animals, right? The sheep, they poop every five minutes because they're just reinoculating the soil. Pigs a lot less frequently, they all do it in the same spot in the corner because their job is to dig up the soil, not to re.

Fertilize it.

So I, I wouldn't compare us there, but I mean other primates do they poop, you know, 10 times a day, I guess cuz they're all eating bamboo or something.

Yes, they do, they do. And of course, like you always say, everybody's different and everybody's biochemistry is different. And so it just, it just depends on your environment really to, to, to come to the conclusion of our research. You know, when we figured out that all of the, most people that are sick, their elimination routes aren't functioning properly. So all this stuff, all of this stuff ends up being stored Somewhere in the body. And that's what leads to the root cause of disease. So the next thing we said is, okay, well, where is most of this stuff coming into the body? And we said, okay, it can come in through the skin, it can come in through the lungs, and it can.

Come in through the mouth or through social media. You forgot that, actually.

Yes, because that's. No, you're right, because that's. That's part of the physi. The physical and emotional stress aspect of it, which is huge.

Yeah.

And the negative belief patterns and the. And the. And the fear and the anger and the shame and all that stuff.

Yeah.

But we'll stick to the physical toxins. I was just kind of messing with you.

So anyway, so we. We found that about 90% of all the chemicals and toxins enter through the intestinal tract at that point in time, because even a lot of the stuff you breathe in gets in the mucus and leaks down into your stomach. So then, of course, it was. You know, this is the. The biggest secret the medical profession hopes you never find out. Right. I mean, the intestinal lining. So let's start studying that. Let's. Let's figure out how to. What's going on. And when the intestinal lining is exposed to all these chemicals and toxins. And as we now know now, you know, leaky gut and the. In the burning of the nerves, and people are eating in a par. In a sympathetic state instead of a parasympathetic state. And so we realize that there's a lot of education that has to happen, as well as a lot of cleansing and detoxification that has to happen. And one of the things that we found that was the most success and the most successful protocols that these doctors were using is the real successful doctors were always cleansing the body before they did everything else. And they would start in the intestines and then move on to the liver and gallbladder, and then move on to cleaning all the harmful organisms out and then move on to cleaning all the chemicals and heavy metals out of the system. So that's what led us to, okay, how could we keep. If people are, number one, like you say, eating way too much food, and they're eating bad cooked food with low energy and low vibration, how can we keep the intestines clean and functioning? And when we did our search, we had already known about Tesla's product that he developed, and that was something that was safe. It's not an osmotic laxative. I mean, even though it's bonded to Magnesium. It's not a magnesium laxative and it's not a magnesium supplement because you don't absorb magnesium oxide. Tesla knew that the lattices on the magnesium molecule would absorb and hold oxygen. And so I only had a little bit of that formula actually. And I set up a lab in a 40 foot shipping container and it took me four years, I almost blew myself up a couple times too to, to figure out how to stabilize the monatomic oxygen onto the magnesium molecule. And so that's that. Actually the oxy powder is Nikola Tesla's formula. And when you take slowly releases the oxygen throughout the whole intestinal tract.

Now you mentioned ozone, which is O3 and you mentioned monatomic ozone, which is basically O. So you took magnesium oxide, which is, well, we need magnesium, but oxide doesn't absorb that well. It's a supplement. So this is less about the magnesium. And so what's on there are these just individual O's that came off the ozone. So I know you have single O's tied to magnesium or are there O3s stuck on there?

So there's an energetic value that we haven't been able to really measure yet. But most of it is the only thing that we can measure in the lab is going to be the, when the O1s come off and they turn into O2. And we've measured that at, for 17 hours straight that's happening. And so we know that you're going to get a good cleanse if you, that's why you take it at night and, and it cleans everything out and it does turns all that solid.

I mean I, you sent me some, I looked at all the research going back to like 1987 and there's F, there's, there's a good amount of research on this. It's not well known. And yes, Tesla really was working on this kind of stuff. We also had. Ian Mitchell was on recently, you might, you probably haven't heard that episode yet where he talked about the way Tesla was doing a similar thing with, with different oils. So, so Tesla was definitely a health nut, but I was unfamiliar with putting it on magnesium. And when I took the oxy powder definitely the next day. You know, I normally poop a couple times a day, but there was definitely like three times. So I, I would say it was, it was a noticeable difference. How do you know what's good though? Like, how do you know you're not messing with good bacteria in the gut when you cleanse?

Well, we have lots of anecdotal evidence we haven't had one report ever that anyone's gotten colon cancer in the 20 something years that we've been selling oxy powder. And we also look at the facultative strains. I mean the, the microbiome, a good microbiome in the body is a, is a good balance of some bad bacteria, some good bacteria, a good balanced system. And oxygen is not. Has not been proven or I haven't seen anything to cause any type of damage to the microbiome. It just the opposite, it seems like it. The reports that we've gotten are that it helps heal leaky gut. We did do a study in India that on ulcerative colitis had a 98.6 cure rate, chronic constipation, Crohn's. I mean, think of all of the intestinal situations that people are suffering from today and all of the damage and all of the chemicals and everything. So we also know that when it's done, you know, you could picture it like the scrubbing bubbles commercial kind of a thing. And, and most people have, you know, 10, 15 pounds sometimes of compacted fecal matter. That hard stuff, there's nothing that I know of that's actually going to melt away all that. Um, and, you know, let's say you go in and you get a colonic. Well, what we found is a lot of the toxicity happens in the small intestine and there's really no way to really clean, deeply clean that. And then you actually get the oxygen coming into your bloodstream. So you will notice increased energy. And maybe if you use a pulse oximeter, which I know you do, even increase in oxygen capacity.

Is there enough oxygen molecules in here to move that needle? It seems like breathing is so much more air coming in. Like this would be more about delivering it to the right part of the body rather than you can't suppress that much oxygen.

Yeah, it's not something. It's not something I would say you could use as an oxygen supplement. But you will notice energy. I mean, I'm a big fan of Wim Hof breathing and breathing exercises too, and so in.

I definitely noticed an energy difference when I took it. You say take it at night. You say four capsules, two to three times a week. Why at night? Why should I just take it now?

You can you can. We have people use it for all kinds of things at night just because you're relaxed and your bowels are in a sympathetic parasympathetic state most of the time. Hopefully if you're getting some good sleep and Your digestion slows way down. So it's just gives. It's easy that way. And also it gives you the opportunity to kind of clean everything out that you ate during the day and oxidize anything that needs to be oxidized in there or anything that's harmful because. Or anything that's positively charged that's harmful. And you just, you know, while you sleep, you get up in the morning, you flush it out that way during the day, you know, you might have one or two bowel movements, but then during the day, you're not having to run to the bathroom. And if you take it, which some people actually do, Dave. I mean, we have a lot of people that are meat. They go out and they eat a big meat dinner with lots of carbohydrates. You know, I'm in Houston, so it's oil and gas. They drink a couple bottles of wine. They have dessert. They. They're. They're still at the restaurant. At 10:30 at night, they come home and they're just bloated. And then they just want to flush out their system. So they might take six or seven bottles. I mean, six or seven capsules.

I'll try six Now, I've only done four before bed. But I'm kind of curious. What. What's going to happen if I take six of these?

Nothing. You'll just have increased bowel movements. We. We had a doctor that was giving his patients a half a bottle one day and a half a bottle the next day, and he swore by it.

Well, just magnesium oxide is going to give you the runs at that level, right?

It might, yeah, it might. Yeah.

Interesting. Well, I. I did notice something, and the story behind this, we kind of got into it a little bit. But can you talk about Eugene Blass and Nikolai Tesla in 1898, like, the real early way that they work together on this stuff, because it's interesting to me when we find old technologies like ozone therapy, like iodine, like these other things that have been around for hundreds or thousands of years, like activated charcoal. And they're experiencing resurgence because they work at fundamental foundational levels. So tell me how this stuff happened with Homozone and all that. That story is very fascinating to me.

Yeah, Homozone was the original oxygen blast that. Well, it was changed a couple of times over the years, and George Frebot was producing the homozone. But nobody really has a lot of information on how long it took with Tesla working with Eugene Blass. We know it was in 1898. We know that they originally formulated the product in a hotel room. But there's not a lot of evidence out there, at least paper wise, that you know what their relationship, at least I don't know what their relationship really was. I know that they did sell the product on the market for quite some time and then also Tesla, but was working with the vapor zone machine at the same time with which is, which is an ozone machine for respiratory. It's probably my favorite favorite device. If you, if you look at it online, it's very hard to find information on that, but I build them and. But it's basically a nebulizer type device hooked to an ozone machine. And you put oil in a tea tree oil, a little bit of eucalyptus, and you bubble it through there and you breathe, breathe it into the lungs. I've used it and recommended it for years, by the way. I'll go back in time a little bit and let you know that when we presented this research, we were given a gag order, we were followed around in black vehicles, we were told to shut our mouths about it because we had a cure for cancer and a cure for all disease basically back in the, in the mid-90s. And many people have, I mean, you know, there's lots of different ways to heal. They heal the body. But what we realized is that a true doctor is one who teaches, not who, not one who prescribes. And a true doctor is really. Or a true scientist that wants to change the world is really more of a internal and external toxicologist because you really have to understand and be able to teach, you know, what people are exposed to in their external environment. I mean, in their home, the VOCs, the EMFs, the, the memory foam mattress, they're breathing in fumes from the air fresheners. The amount of physical, emotional stress in their external environment. And then you also have to be able to explain to them the internal environment as well. And we opened up a clinic. Actually, we were renegades back then. And we had a very successful degenerative disease clinic and cancer clinic. And we had the royal family come over. We had a lot of people that would come to us. Actually pretty much everybody that came to us had already been seen by 20 different people and had bags of supplements. And that only lasted a couple of years before the FDA raided our clinic and shut us down and basically said, you can't do this anymore. And I remember one instance where a guy pulled up in a black car and asked me very nicely to get in, in a black suit and took me to a little Chinese restaurant in Houston and The back and I, on the wall, I saw pictures of presidents and all kinds of, you know, high, high end people. And I was thinking, what the heck are they doing in this tiny little Chinese restaurant? And the back wall opened up and they brought me in and sat me down and they said, we need the.

Back wall opened up like a magic Men in Black switch.

Yeah.

And it opened up and I, and I went in there, they said, we know what you're working on. We've been watching you. We know that you know what you have going on. They knew about the, I mean, they knew about our technology, the Tesla stuff, they knew about some other stuff. And they basically said, we want you to join us. You'll never have to worry about money again. You know, we'll, we'll take care of you. And I mean, I know by that point because when you start going down the rabbit hole, it's a small group of people that run the world and that, you know, are doing a lot of this stuff to the earth and society and organizations, which was another thing I had to go through.

I have a hard time processing this, right? You're sitting here telling me this. So, I mean, they didn't kill you. Did you say, final sign up, I'll get my microchip implanted? Like, what happened?

They gave me a phone number. They gave me a phone number and they said, you have 24 hours to call this number. If you don't call the number in 24 hours, we're never going to reach out to you again. And I was like, I already knew who these guys were. They're trying to silence me. They're probably going to kill me, you know, whatever, whenever. So I never called the number and I never heard from him again. Except from that point forward, the FDA has been in my office like every six months. They watch me pretty closely about, you know, because I speak a truth about cancer and I speak all, you know about 5G and all the stuff, you know, that you, A lot of the same stuff you talk about. So I had to shut our clinic down at that point in time. But I said, you know what? Actually that's right when the Internet was starting. Like I remember AOL and Netscape. You've got, I'm going to put, reframe this into this simplicity, because I'm all about simplicity of teaching people how to heal themselves and just put the information up under wellness and, and use the same detoxification protocols that we used and then develop products that I felt comfortable with because a lot of the products out there. Remember Dave in the like the mid-90s and even in the 2000s they were crappy. They had fillers and excipients and binders and so that's how I got into product development and manufacturing products too is because I wanted clean products. We were the first company to start coming out with the seals on the bottles. We the first one that developed fillers and excipients using certified organic gum, acacia and even diatomaceous earth sometimes and and other things like that to be able to create like really powerful clean high vibrational supplements that are out there. So, so that's what led me to you know, starting global healing and then educating people on the on the root cause of disease and how they can clean up their external environment and how they can clean up their internal environment at the same time and take back control of their house and reactivate their body's self healing mechanism.

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