Sales and marketing teams need shared goals and aligned incentives to work together effectively. When both sides understand what the other is trying to accomplish, they stop working at cross purposes and start building something that actually works.
You can't really be a great partner without a shared goal. Similar to how you build credibility in anything really is getting in there and like working on something together. It's tough to build a relationship with somebody until you actually get in there and do the work together. Even just saying that like wanting to be a partner and going to the marketing leader and saying like hey I want to be, I want to be a partner to you, I think that's definitely step number one. Step number two is you can't really be a great partner without a shared goal. And so if ultimately if Matt and I have different incentives we can have a partnership on the surface and might know each other's coffee order and enjoy working together but something's going to break down the road. So I think really getting aligned on, on a goal and then understanding how at your company sales and marketing contribute to that goal and then work together right.