Inside Exit Five | Behind The Scenes Launching Our First Event and Exit Five's Recent Growth

Exit. Exit.

So good to have you on the podcast. Thanks for all you do. Good to be back. First time, long time. We want to talk about Drive. So we want to talk about the decision to do our first event, how we did it, how it to be selling tickets. People like the behind the scenes stuff and I figured what better format than to do a podcast about it. But really quickly, if I could just put you on the spot, it's been about seven months since you've decided to come on the egg to Exit 5 Incorporated. Well, actually legal. The, the legal entity is DGMG LLC doing business as Exit 5. So what, what, what's your response? What's your reaction so far? It's been seven months. Maybe talk about what you thought it was going to be and what has actually happened over here.

Yeah, this is like my live performance review.

Thousands of thousands and thousands of B2B marketers listen to this. So don't blow it.

Yeah, well, no, I actually again, I think this sounds like this feels like my performance review, my seven month retro. And I get to do the self review first.

I'll do that. I'll do that. Let's see, where to start?

I mean I remember when I wrote, when I wrote that I was joining and I wrote my announcement post and I was saying like, you know, you reached out and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. But like I hadn't seen behind the scenes and then you popped the hood and kind of showed me some of the metrics behind the scenes and I was like, wow, this is actually a lot, this is doing a lot better and there's so much more indications than I realize until you look behind the scenes that the business is doing really well and we were ready to scale and I was really excited about that. And seven months later we, you know, we just had a meeting with our team and reviewed a bunch of metrics and lo and behold, you know, we're scaling and we just hired our fourth team member. We're about to open up our fifth. So it's like, it's kind of rare that that actually like that plan comes. Like, I don't know if you and I have had that. Like we had crazy growth, but like we say this is what we want to do and we're going to go do it and then it actually works out the way you intended it to on the timeline you intended it to. And so yeah, I mean it's been great to be here and be part of it and do this. And now I'm like Writing a lot on LinkedIn again and talking to members and just enjoying it. And I'm doing so much more than just marketing, which is fun, and doing operations and analytics and stuff that I really wanted to do. And so for me personally, it's been great. And I think for the business it's just been awesome to see us grow over the last six months.

My guy right here had it. We were just on a call and I saw he basically has a CRM, which. Well, we should maybe get a CRM at some point. We probably have that with HubSpot.

We have one.

We don't use it right now. It's in this. It's in it. But you have this like sponsor CRM, which is unbelievable and I haven't seen it. And it said you have all the lists of the deals that we've closed, but also the people who said yes, but then backed out. And I was like, what? And he has it like that list perfectly, perfectly color coded. And like, look, this is like I'm being silly and talking about this, but like when you talk about just like we're always as marketers, we're always like banging our heads against like ideas to get more, more and more. Like what you just showed me is like 20 people that we should go reach out to. Like me. Like, hey, you said you wanted to do something. Do you still want to do it? Like the stuff like that is amazing.

Yeah. But also needed. Right? Like, that's kind of what was needed in the business. And as a one person operation. And this is not a knock on you as whatsoever. You can only do so much. Like there's three people. There's only so much we can do right now. And so this was the next evolution is we have to have sort of organization and be able to scale. And like this is the stuff that gives us the opportunity to go hire amazing team members and go grow this business, you know?

Yeah, it's pretty cool. And then we just. So we just hired somebody. We can't share it. We'll. We'll share. Well, we'll have her come on. We'll have her come on at some point. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, we'll have her come on at some point. But thank goodness we got a lady in the mix. Somebody emailed, somebody emailed me and was like, you don't profile enough women. I'm like, look, I, I'm sorry, I'm trying. So like, I really. It's something that I am so conscious of. And like, we just happen to Have a bad email where, like, the webinar we promoted was a guy. The podcast that week was a guy. The AMA in the community was the guy. I was like, damn it.

But it's just the way it works out and that's how this is. You know, sometimes that happens. But I'm glad we're addressing it too. I agree.

Yeah, but, but it's, it's, it's so cool to be able to grow. What, what I also think about all the time is the, the very first conversation we had was literally basically like, hey, man, I got this property. I want you to be the property manager. Just like, keep it going, keep the lights on. And then like, how. What has changed? Like, how much that has changed from that conversation to now? We'll have a team of we're going to hire. We have one more open role that we're going to hire. So I think by, like, by mid June, we would have five, including myself. We'd have five full time employees. And it just, it speaks to like, there's nothing wrong with solopreneurship. I'm not going to bash that at all. I think that's a totally great path. It was really good for me for a year or two. But there's just something so underrated that I didn't appreciate about like, just being on a team, working with other people, having a shared sense of doing something. And, you know, I fall in this trap sometimes too, where it's like, man, I'm not saving the world. I'm just doing B2B marketing. Like, does it really matter? And I haven't had that thought one time since, since we've had a real company and real people. Because, like, that doesn't matter. We're. We're hiring people. We're. We're helping change people's careers. We're building a team, a company, a culture. Like that is just something that was so unexpected for me and that is such such a fun part about this business that I did not expect to have that.

Yeah. And I wasn't calling myself a solopreneur, but I kind of was being a solopreneur. I did consulting for a year after I left Privy. And I've told you this, I spent a bunch of money on an office that was literally two minutes from my house. And I had an office in my house, but I was paying like $7,000 a year. I looked at the end, I was like, why did I just spend all this money to drive two minutes with my dog and sit in a smaller room and not be near my kitchen or, like, any. Like, just be undistracted.

I was like, now you have a child also.

Well, that's the. And that's the other reason why I got rid of it. But it's like, I was like, why was I doing that? And I realized in. In. In hindsight, it was just, like, I was lonely. And, like, the solopreneurship is lonely. You're not gonna bash it. I will. No, I'm just kidding. But, I mean, it's. It. I think it is. And I kind of had that experience, too. And I feel like in November when you emailed me, you kind of decided, wait a minute. Like, this is. This is exit 5.2.0, right? Like, your first investment was, like, bringing me on, and, like, let's scale it. Then we got mad, and then we hired this new person. And then there's been a bunch of investments outside of people as well. Right. Your time and our strategy and stuff. But, like, this is the 2.0 level, and I think it's way more fun to do stuff with people and to win together. You know, I've been writing a lot about that stuff as, like, team and, you know, chemistry on LinkedIn. Like, it's so much more fun to do that together, like, to jump on slack and talk about something. Stuff. And you and I talk all. All the time. You. The funny thing, like, you just said was, like, you were thinking about. I think you framed it as, like, security. I need someone to, like, have their brain wrapped around this and keep this property secure for me, you know, and, like, that's you. And come in and just kind of do your thing and, you know, we'll see what happens. And after a year, what. Whatever. But the real unlock was, like, you being like, no, wait, I love this business, too, and it's fun working with Dan again. Let's hire some other people that are fun to work with. And, like, that was the huge unlock. And, like, all the numbers since I joined have gone up, but I really can't take credit for any of it. It was really you having this unlock of, like, no, I want to invest in this and, like, talk about it and grow it and. And not again, investing is not just, like, putting money into. It's also, like, your time and your thoughts and your resources. Like, that's like, the big unlock. And all the charts since then have just kind of gone up, which is great. And that's not us bragging about it. It's just, like, that's what happens when you have that mental unlock.

Sometimes I'll write something and somebody will be like, especially on Twitter, somebody be like, well, how? How did you do that? And I'm like, man, there's no short answer. Like, I think the other cool path is like, this is like the solopreneur path. The solopreneur path was like, perfect for a year or two. It allowed me to have like a head start. And now we know we didn't start this business at zero, right? And so we were doing like, I think last year it was like roughly 800k in revenue as a one person business. And so that was huge because that meant I didn't have to like, stress about deciding to hire somebody and pay them and then everything scales as it goes. I do think that is a. A great path where I, you know, typically the entrepreneurship path. And I just was having this conversation with Leah the other day because I was like, yeah, we're just hiring two more people. She's like, wait, what? Where are you spending all this money from? I'm like, well, the business generates money. We have some cash. Like, I want to invest in higher blah, blah. And it's like, it's like surreal because, you know, you. You have this running head start. A lot of people see the Exit 5 thing, and it's like, if you want to go become an entrepreneur, you typically have to like, well, okay, I'm gonna not take a salary. You know, I'm not gonna not pay myself for two years. But because I had started it on my own and then realized like, oh, this could be so much more with people, it's just, it is so cool to see that. And then also it is. It's just so fun to like you. It's like being on it when you're on a team. Right? You know, I'm now like, I get multiple opinions. My way is not the only way. It's like, oh, no. Actually, like, Matt is a great example of like, he pushes back on me. He's like, young Dan. Damn. It just drives me nuts. No, he's. Matt's great, but like, I'll share an idea and Matt will be like, I don't think we should do that. And here's why. Boom. Thing, thing. Number one, number two. And I'm like, he's right. Whereas if Matt wasn't here, I would have just made that change and maybe made things worse. And so I just think it's a lesson in, like, if you have the opportunity to be on a team, big company, small company, wherever. And that's Like, I think that right thing and it's given me so much energy. It's such a treat, you know, us getting to work to each other again with each other. I also think we've, we've worked at two companies in the past and we've kind of always had a, A side message about, like, man, wouldn't it be so fun, like, we have a good chemistry working together. Wouldn't it be so fun if we could remove a lot of the bs and this is not a knock on any company or people we've worked with in the past, but like, remove all the BS of a larger company. And if we just had a team of like three to seven people doing this marketing content thing, wouldn't it be pretty special what we created? And like, we initially were like, maybe we should start an agency. We're getting to do that now with the content and. Com and community business. And that is just like so much fun. I can't wait to see where this goes. That's, that's, that's what's really exciting. Now.

I also think if we, if we go back a little bit, I think like, some probably, some, some of your listeners probably don't know this, but like the real origins.

These are our listeners. These are our listeners.

Sorry, our listeners. If we really go back, I think the origins of exit 5 go back beyond. Sorry, my computer just went asleep. I think we're good, right? I think the origins of Exit 5 will edit that part out. Go back to 2019, I think, right when you launched the A list.

November 2019. Yes, the day that I quit my job at Drift.

Yep. And I think. And you did this as a side hustle. So I don't know that our listeners. Excuse me. Know this, right? Like that it, like if you think of it in like what you just described of like, we had this, we're talking about this great growth we've had over the last six months. Well, it didn't just start there, right? Like, you spent two years on your own with the business and before that you sent two years as a side hustle doing this business. And so I just, you know, we talk about build in public and we share kind of the stories and we're pretty honest. Like, you just share some revenue numbers. Right. With everybody. Like, you know, the, the real business started like four years ago. Even more than that. Right. Almost five years ago now. And so like it was chipping away and building audits. And even before that, it took you forever to build that LinkedIn audience. I was there at Drift when you started growing that and then that turned into this and that. So it's like these things don't just happen overnight. Right? Exit 5 is not an overnight success story by any, by any stretch of the imagination.

No. And then the other thing was I was, I've been fortunate to have like a, a couple of smaller wins in, in prior jobs. And I was thinking about, yeah, I'm going to just do this path where I'm going like be a solopreneur. I'm going to run exit 5. I'm going to be an investor. I'm going to invest in a bunch of different businesses and that's going to be my thing. I don't know anything about investing and.

It'S boring and you don't really know. You do. You make an investment and then you don't hear anything for.

So you know what we're going to spend. I'm happy to tell people this. Like, we will spend close to half a million dollars on Exit 5 this year. Like, I am way more invested in that money, in that investment because it's our business. Like we're, we're involved, we're growing this versus like, you know, I don't have enough money, just like blindly write a bunch of checks to people. But to apply that to this business, it's like that I want to have skin in the game and something that I'm involved with and I think bringing in people, deciding that, you know, I don't, I don't need to go put angel investor in my Twitter bio or LinkedIn bio. Like I'm gonna, let's, let's do this for Exit 5. And I, I just also think you only have so many opportunities. I think we have product market fit. How do we know? That's my favorite question. How do we know you have product market fit? I could show you a channel in our slack called Love. Love Proof. I don't know why it's called Love Proof. It's a bad name. But the messages that we get, the comments that we get, the emails that we get beyond the growth and the charts and all that stuff, like there's something here. And I just felt like the more that I see it now, I'm like, man, I'm mad at myself for almost quitting this business three times because like, what a moron I would have been if I had given up on that. And so it's, it's super fun. And I'm, I'm fine sharing it here because I know the people that listen to this, like, love hearing this type of stuff. And you and I have been trying to share more about like, the team and the culture that we're building as, as we're doing it. And you know, selfishly, we're trying to build an employment. Maybe you'll kind of, you'll want to work with us over the years and so it doesn't hurt to share some of that. But anyway, we got to talk about drive, so I want to just, I want to talk about, we don't have to talk about all the ins and outs, but I want to talk about how we decided to launch it and how it came to be. So do you remember, do you remember where the conversation of doing an event came. Came from? And roughly, roughly, I, I, I actually.

Tried to go back in Slack and.

Look at it like every week. Psa, psa. Here's two guys talking about an event that happened yet we, we don't know if it's actually going to be successful. We've sold out all the tickets.

Oh, it's gonna be a huge success. I know it will be, you know, it's gonna be, it's gonna be awesome. But anyways, yes, you were saying.

All right, so when did, when did it start? First of all, number one, when did we decide we're gonna do an event?

Is this like, do you have the answer? Did you look it up?

No, no, I genuinely am asking you this question. Dude, I don't, I don't prep for these, for this podcast. Give me a break.

I think I did a search and SL theory because I was kind of curious.

I was like, what was the.

Because, look, not to spoil the story, but we had a huge sellout event from it. It was great. So I was kind of like, wait, when did this start? And like, how did we get here? Because I wanted to do the retro myself and kind of like digest all the steps to getting there and we're not done. We still have to do the event and make sure it's amazing. And more were ahead of us than behind us, but so far, feeling really, really good about it. I think we actually started talking about it when I joined in November. I think we started talking about an event in November. We didn't get serious about it until January. We started having conversations about it and then literally, I think it was one day you forward me and I got a forwarded email from the event, from the venue, and it was a receipt from you and it said, you know, deposit booked and you. Maybe I'm imagining this a little bit but essentially, and this is kind of how things go, we both do this. You just decided, I'm going to book the venue. Like, I need to do that to, like, commit to it. And I think that was, like, February, and I just got in, like, hey, I booked. Or maybe you called me and you said, hey, you know, like, I'm here. I want to do this. Can I. Can we. Can I do this? Like, kind of like just getting an. To your point, another person's opinion, like, am I doing the right thing? And I think you said, do it right, and that was basically it. We put that deposit down and committed to doing it.

Well, I think that that's kind of what I wanted to mention, and I think that. I think it's very easy in marketing and in business and in any, any creative endeavor to let something just go on forever and not commit to it. And I think you and I, in talking about things we wanted to do this year, you know, multiple people in the community had been asking for us to do some type of meetup. I mean, we had a community with 3,000 members. Like, people are going like, hey, we should do a meetup.

People have been in there for four years, right?

People have been in there forever. They want to do a meetup. I kind of, like, say some, like, silly things online as it relates to marketing sometimes. And I, I. My joke would be like, I have too much scar tissue. You know, I'm too scarred from previous events. And really what I'm alluding to is, like, when we were at Drift, we did these massive events, and they were hugely successful for the brand, but they were just super stressful. And I was like, if I'm running my own business, why would I want to, like, proactively opt in to that stress? Like, I'm design a company, like, around my life, and I don't want to deal with that. But I think the gravitational pull of the community was really strong. We had lots of other indicators that, like, you know, thousands people, a thousand people sign up for a webinar. You know, 50 people go to a round table. Like, we had all the signals. Like, the demand was there. We just got to do it. And I think you and I had just traded off so many messages. Our event's going to be sweet. We just needed to pick a date. And I think this is such a lesson for anybody out there that works in marketing. It's like, if you have something that you want to do, you could talk about it forever, for a half a year, for quarter, for years. Like, pick A damn date. And I think that's really what I wanted to do. And like, the way that we picked a date was. Okay, well, we started talking about this idea and maybe March, it started to be like, let's. Let's really go do this. Okay, well, it's March now. We can't do the event in May. That's too soon. We don't want to do it over the summer because people have travel and plans and families and whatever. Okay, well, in the. Let's do it in the fall. Okay, well, we wanted to do. I said, let's stack the deck. I'll do an event. Dan. I'll do an in person event, but I don't want to travel for it. Said you're gonna fly across the country with a newborn. I. Let's. Let's stack the deck. Let's do it in. Let's do it in Vermont. Let's do it where I'm living. Let's do it in Burlington, Vermont. Stack the deck here. I know a place we could do it October. We can't do it. It's too expensive. Because people drive from all around the world to leaf peep here up in Vermont. It's nuts. Okay, let's do it in September. I know the venue. I'm going to go down there today. I'm going to look at it. I talked to the woman about it. It was like 2500 bucks to put a deposit down. We looked at the dates. It was the week after Labor. It can't do Labor Day. Let's do the week after. Boom. September 11 and 12. Does this work? Yep, it works. Done it go. And I think this is where speed is an advantage. And this is how you and I operate. Like, you have to just pick, pick a date, make a deadline. Like deadlines drive decisions. And so like, that was the one. And then once the credit card's been swiped and then you, you know, you had your baby, you were out for a month. We had 700 emails. They only use this. You can only respond to them in this, like, event CRM. So Dan comes back, he's got 50 messages from vendors, caterers, whatever. But I think it just was so important to pick a date and the date is going to drive the rest of the actions.

Yeah, it was a commitment. It was just a commitment. So if I can't, I'll do the. I think there's three parts to this, and I don't want to jump too far ahead, but I think there's three parts of why we were successful with the launch of our event. The first is what you just talked about which is like pent up demand, right? Like four years, really two years as Exit 5. Thousands of members, all virtual but it's like a very active. Like we've quite frankly shown the receipts of how active our community is. Like people were excited to get together and do something in person. That's the first part is like the pent up demand. The second part, let's talk about this one next. Maybe I think is Brand. I think is, is you have built a brand over the last 10 years of your career but especially with Exit 5 in the last two years and built the Exit 5 brand. It's like this is a group of people and it has a community of people that like are smart, you want to learn from, they'll teach you things, they'll help you with things. And so I think Brand was, was a huge part of that too. And just like the perception of like we're going to do something in person. And then another huge part of the brand was we're going to do this in Vermont, right? We're going to do this not in Boston or New York or San Francisco or Austin. We're going to do this because we're an alternate. Like we're not going to be that try to mainstream and like get a bunch of, you know, do a bunch of huge production value event. Like we're just going to get the right people, the right content quality all together in this, you know, kind of sleepier little town which is like a fun place to go visit at a great time of year. Like that's a huge part of this too. I think that Demand and Brand would be the two biggest parts in my mind of like what drove the success of you know, again I'm not going to spoil it but we did sell out, you know, in 24 hours when we launched it.

I, you know, and it's funny because a little bit of me, even though we've had a bunch of success, like I still had the imposter syndrome of like are people going to come up here and if we want to do it in Vermont, are they going to come up here? Yeah, I think it's a normal thing that I still feel over and over again. But I do think that we, we share this thing a lot lately. Like I, I love AI. I'm you know, spend 50% of my day talking to chat GPT pretty much and I'm like chat GBT. What's four minus two times three? But, but I, I do think that there is a strong appetite for like the in person connections. And I think especially in the world of like marketing and business type of events, you kind of have, you have Saster, which you know, Jason and team is amazing. 10,000 people, that's like a huge thing. Even he was like, I asked him on a podcast, I was like, what's the number one thing you do if you start Saster over again? He's like, I wouldn't do an event. And then, and then you have inbound. But I think there's a huge opportunity to have these smaller, you know, whether it's 50 people or 300 people, these smaller events. And so I, I just, it happened to work like, hey, let's, we're going to do a 100, you know, 80, 200 person max event in Burlington, Vermont. And like people were just like, yes. And I think that that played into the, the brand thing perfectly. And there's a story behind Exit 5 and Vermont that we, that you know, that we've told that, that that creates that connection. So, okay, so we picked the date you mentioned like people learning and the appetite for this. Here's another cool thing. This is why I talk about like the value of having a media company and being in being in content and how much value there is in being a publisher because it drives all these downstream effect things for your business. All of the speakers we source from people that have been on the Exit 5 podcast over the last two years. And so literally all I did was think about who would, who would probably say. Who would probably say yes, who would give a practical like specific talk about something that they could actually teach to our audience. And what were the most popular episodes of our podcast. And so whether it was Peter Mahoney or Lachey or Pranav or Kyle Coleman or Ross Simmons or Devin Reed or Dan from Apollo or Amrita from ClickUp, each one of those people have already been on our podcast. We already have some type of relationship. Yep. I haven't seen them present, but I've have a rough idea of how they're going to present. And so it's like great. We just really quickly sourced 10 to 15 speakers. We reached out to people, we got them to say yes and that was how we came up with the content content for this thing. And then the next play was thinking about getting before getting the website together. We did a wait list. And I think this is such an underrated play for marketing because we were going to do this event regardless. But I think anytime you can do a waitlist play. You basically get to pre test your idea. And so we announced we were going to do a way, hey, in a couple weeks we're going to announce our event. Go to this page. We hadn't put any details of the event, the name, the dates, whatever, and we had close to 300 people sign up on the waiting list and we're going to launch something new in a couple months for exit five. We're going to do the waiting list. Do you, why do you think that that thing works and was a key piece of this strategy?

I think it was commitment from most people. Because, because, because the big part, the big thing with the waitlist is like we did it seven days, like six, seven days before we actually launched the event. So it was, it wasn't that, you know, people were signing up so they didn't forget about it. It was, it was positioned as like hey, we have a small venue which was true. We only have a certain amount of seats. If you want to be the first to know and buy a ticket. We, we kind of feel like this is going to, you know, these might, this might sell out pretty quickly. Like you need to join this and we'll email you before everybody else. Right. We have a, you know, an email database of 17,000 people that you know, we, we can email. And we, and we did, but we said we're going to email people that sign up on this landing page first. And so again there was that pent up demand. People didn't want to miss it out. It was I think a well positioned with the brand, you know, Vermont, the fall, you know, everything the speakers. Right. I think that was a really important part too. And so we did it close to the actual launch. We said on Tuesday we're going to, we're going to, we're going to sign up. So the, the value of joining the wait list was much more important than I think some other than another way that people might position the wait list of just, you know, it's coming in a month, join our wait list. Like and it doesn't add a lot of, there's not a lot of teeth to it. This was like, hey, we're gonna let you know early and we think we might sell out. So you need to join this list right here if you want to join. And obviously we have an active and engaged audience on. I think we just posted on LinkedIn twice and Hero post which drove most of the signups. I think I might have written a post too maybe Matt. We didn't send an email and say Go sign up to this list as well. We just put on LinkedIn because we knew that's where our most active people were, the biggest, you know, advocates of the brand were. And they signed up. We got 300 people signed up six days before we launched the event.

I think the packaging really helped too. And I, I didn't think of this as a lever for driving demand. I thought of it because we were trying to be responsible about the type of event that we did and the budget and how out of hand it would get. And I think the venue that we looked at happened to have a max capacity for 150 people seated one way and 200 people seated another way, which was like, again, back to picking a date, having a forcing function for like the room size, I think also really helpful. And like, okay, it can only be 150 to 200 people anyway. And so I think having that cap actually ended up becoming a good part of the marketing. This is not a lie. We announced the event. We sold out all 150 tickets in the first 24 hours. And then Dan and I were trading messages and we're like, well, it is capped, but, like, we can talk to the venue about rearranging the room. And so we went back to the venue, we asked if we could rearrange the room, which would add 50 new seats. And then we came back a week later after negotiating with them and like figuring out catering and all that stuff, and we added 50 more. And so we were like, able to play off of real. If you have real scarcity and real urgency, it works. I think today people have become skeptical of marketing and skeptical of like, fake offers, but we were like, no, literally, there are no more tickets and we're going to turn this off. And so I think that helped drive demand too. But, but I just think it all speaks to the power of building an audience, owning your list, having an engaged audience. Like, there were no crazy gimmicks, There were no crazy marketing plays. The more you can have, like, this is why it's so important to build up a following on social media, to have an email list, to have that audience. Because then when you have stuff to announce, you're just saying, hey, remember us? Do you listen to us all the time? Here's something that we have for you. And so I wish I had some super neat growth hack about like how we, you know, did all these crazy, we use all these crazy tech tools to launch this. But yeah, we didn't. We didn't. We had an audience and that's what it comes down to.

And it was both too.

Right.

It was like, I don't. Yeah, we probably would have sold out if we just did LinkedIn and then sent our whole email list. But like, the reason we did it wasn't just so we would sell out in 24 hours. Right. Like the wait list. The reason we did that was for the reason we told everyone, which is like, we know there's a lot of people that are big advocates of this community in the brand. We know. We've been. You've been talking about. The other thing we didn't mention, by the way, is like, you've been. Been sort of teasing and talking about the event for what, three months? Like after we kind of booked the venue, you kind of tease it on LinkedIn. Like we. That's another level of that demand you built up. And I think a couple of us have posted about it. Right?

Yeah, Talk about it. Talk about we're publicly. Yeah, yeah.

We didn't wait for like the announcement to announce we're doing an event. That was when ticketing went live, but it certainly wasn't. We announced we were doing an event. We announced the event three months earlier. And that's a super important part too. And people are seeing every few weeks or once a month you post something about it.

Yeah.

So that's, that's really important as well. But the one thing I just want to say is like with the wait list, the reason we did the wait list and the reason it worked was because the reason we did the wait list, which is like, that's. This audience has been waiting for three months to, to buy a ticket. And so this is the place to go. Just raise your hand here. We'll give you first access to do it. It wasn't some, like, false urgency, you know, BS marketing play. It was just that those people we knew we were going to buy, we wanted to give them the, the red carpet treatment. Those are our people. Right. We want to give them the. The fast lane to buy, so to speak. And so that's why we did it and just. And it worked out well and that we sold out in 24 hours.

This is why for me, like my playbook from the beginning, for the last 10 years has been content and social media. I'm not, I don't know abm, I don't know SEO, I don't know a bunch of different things in marketing, but I know how to build an audience and I know how to listen to that audience and use content to test ideas at scale and that is what, that, that's just the huge differentiator. And so I think if you're listening and like you, you're, you know, I see questions often in the Exit 5 community, but like, hey, we want to do, you know, we want to do a webinar but we're not sure of the topic. And I'm like, well then you shouldn't do like you, you got the tactic before the strategy.

Yeah.

And I think you have to be like using these little small pockets like and testing messaging and testing ideas. And I think now we should never do something unless we have like a little bit of data on it. And I don't even mean like we've run some like statistically significant tests, but we've gotten a bunch of email replies. Like there's so much like if you, even if you have a list of 50 people, 100 people on it, sending them an email and saying like, hey, we're thinking about doing a webinar on XYZ topic. Would this be interesting to you? Or what are the three topics you would want to hear from us? And only seven people write back, but that's seven responses that you didn't have before. And then building your content strategy off of this. I mean it's why we've been able to create this into a whole business. Because you have, you know, we should coin the term like community led growth if somebody's not already talking about that. Because it, all the signals that you get from your audience is what allows you to go and do these things at scale. Anyway, I got a wrap because I got to go pick up a child. But we got Drive. The the event is called Drive. We're going to do more content around it. Also we use this really great tool for it which I didn't know was cool until, until we use it which called Zuttle. And the best part about doing the launch was that Dan set up ZTTLE to and and Zapier shout out to Zapier that every time somebody bought a ticket it would shoot it into a Slack channel that said like who the person was, all the information we asked them on the forum. So it'd be like, you know, this is Dav Manager at a 25 million dollar revenue company. Here's three reasons why he wants to attend this event. And like seeing all that information was so fun to get that into in real time. So that was cool. And we got a lot, we got a lot more to do now.

Well, I was just gonna say this isn't made up. I'm not. I'm not just saying this. We actually just got one right while we were saying that.

No way.

Yeah, we just got a sale and I got the Slack notification, which is great. The Slack integration, by the way, just gives out a little more plug. It actually, it. It directly connects to Slack, so it was super easy to set up. It just came in. The whole team's in there. We're excited.

What is this nonsense in Slack, Dave bobblehead. What would Dave do?

You have to ask our. Our new swag vendor what. What that is. That's their pitch on. On what they want to do.

Yeah. What would Dave do? Dave would not do a bobblehead of himself.

Despite the golf clubs and despite how.

Big you listen to all you listeners out there, despite how big you might think my ego.

That's their pitch on, on what they want to do. Yeah.

What would Dave do? Dave would not do a bobblehead of.

Himself despite the golf clubs and despite.

How big you listen to all you listeners out there. Despite how big you might think my ego is on LinkedIn. It's not the reality of it. Please, please, no bobbleheads of Dave in real life. But yeah, this is sweet. So this person in Zuttle, we see their company name, the Director of Demand Gen. I'm the marketing team. I want to come to network, update my skills and learn something new. I'm at a company, 1 million to 10 million revenue. This is Swee. And then I've been. I've been going to everyone that signs up and saying if they're an ICP fit or not, which is Grant says.

And then the last thing I'll just say, right on. This is like, also with this, it's like, it's great to have the information, like for your own business analytics. Right. But we ask for the information so we can actually tailor some of the event. Like, we have enough flexibility where we're going to do these breakout sessions at the event. We're actually using information to make sure that as best we can, people that are, are showing up for. For a certain reason, they're gonna get that right. Like, we're gonna put them in a group. We'll connect with other people like them in their industry at their revenue tier in a similar kind of role. Those are things we get to do, which is really fun with this event as well.

Yeah, and I stole that, I stole that idea from Pep because I went to his event for CXL Live last year and then he did another one in winter. And just people, people want to See, like, I think we got a message from somebody. They're like, people don't want talks. And I'm like, I don't agree with you. People do want talks. The talks just have to be good and practical and specific. And we're going to make sure that, that, that they're also cool about. The way that we're going to do this event is we're going to book enough time. So I want the audio. Like I'm going to be MCing and hosting. I want people to literally be able to ask the speaker questions and like not have to do it in just five minutes. And so we're going to have like a 45 minute session where, you know, 20, 25 minutes is presentation and 20 minutes of open Q and A for the audience to ask questions. But this idea of round tables, people really want that. They want to hang out with their peers. And so like so much value is going to be in the hallways, in those round tables. I think, I think PEP had a great idea for that. And that's what I felt people wanted, wanted from, from Golden Hour was just like, it's. The talks are great, but they want, they want the connection. They want to be around people. Get outside to work. So we'll, we'll share more, we'll do more content about Drive, but you can check it out. You can go to exit5.com drive there might still be some tickets. We have a small number left. You can go to exit5.comdrive and check them out. If you already bought your ticket, don't worry. We're going to make sure that you show up because we can't have an empty room. We can't have you. You know, you got to be there. We'll see you September 11th and 12th. Dan, good to see you. You back to work.

Thanks for having me.

Okay. All right, goodbye. Good job.

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