Leading vs Control

Well, hello everybody. I'm Dennis Prager with Julie Hartman, and therefore it's known as Dennis and Julie. I am very open in my life in general and even in public. I long ago decided that the more I hide, the less people relate to me. I was going to say to you, to anybody. Having said that, I, I have been exponentially open on Dennis and Julie. It's, it's uncanny how, well, we both are open about ourselves on our show or podcast.

I was thinking that the conventional broadcasting advice would probably be to appear open, but not to truly be.

Excellent. That's right. Yes.

So we're—

what, we're—

we're bearing all.

Well, you know, it's amazing how we, we hit topics that I never would have expected. I still obviously I have some in mind, but I want to deal for just a quick moment about something I realized. I don't know when in my life I realized this. I, not just for moral or political or philosophical reasons, I emotionally love the real. I, I, the, in, in every, in everything. And there's I'll give you an example. All right, I was trying to— I was debating so many examples. So I've been at talk shows for 40 years. So there is— and I spot this in a second, like a pro basketball player can spot something in another basketball player in a second that the rest would not necessarily notice. When a talk show host goes like this, hi everybody, I'm here at the, uh, Phil Smith Show here, and we're gonna really— and I'm thinking, but he doesn't talk that way off the air, so it's not real. And I can't handle that.

I think I told you this, or I mentioned that it on this show, but when I first started listening to you, I could tell that you were real by your voice. Not solely by your voice, but in large part because of it. And that's, I think, when I'm And I can tell if someone— and I know you can too— I can tell if someone's real in 2 minutes, within 2 minutes of meeting them, 2 or 3. And a lot of it is their voice.

That's interesting. Well, that's why I know— I'm sure you've had this— when people tell me who work in my life or been with me, so the, the first thing people ask them when they mention knowing me or being with me.

What is he like?

What is he like? And it sort of takes them aback because they realize there's no answer to that. The answer is exactly what you see is what he's like. But people— the question proves my point. People know that they're not getting the real deal, or they wouldn't ask that question. Their assumption is if you're in public, you're not being real.

Oh, of course. I mean, because if you're entertaining people, there's this idea that you put theatricality first, or, um, you say something for a fact. A persona, right? That's a good way to put it.

By the way, you know, uh, I'm, I'm quite close to Adam Carolla. And we did a movie together. We've gone around the country doing events together. He's a perfect example of the exact same person in public and private.

Every conservative I've met, and I know I've said this on Dennis and Julie, every single public figure conservative I've met has been exactly the same in person as they have been on the air.

That's a great point.

And I cannot say the same. And I've met many people in Hollywood. I cannot say the same about every actor or actress or left-wing public figure that I've met.

That's a very, it's a very good—

I cannot think of one exception.

Yep, the, the— it's a world of the real. Anyway, what, what prompted it? Oh yes, about our talking here and, and be— it's even more real because of, of the way both of us open up on this. Anyway, everybody, welcome to, uh, Dennis and Julie, second time, a second welcome. So I, I have been thinking about a subject that, you know, I've been thinking about.

You know, I've been thinking about it too, but in a different way.

Well, you've been thinking about it. It's built— it's virtually built into females to think about it. So I'll do a little preface. Each sex has its battles, and we'll talk about the female battle. We should talk about the male battle. I'm sure you may not even know what I'm going to say.

Sexual urge?

Yes, that's right.

Yes, I know what you're going to say.

Okay, obviously. Women don't know that. Women— see, men know women are not men. Women don't know that men are not women.

Well, that's why women are the ones that are primarily pushing this gender fluidity. Men and women are the same thing.

Well, and it's certainly why they're pushing the toxic masculinity thing. It's like, I want to deny that you are who you are. I want to— I want you to be me. Which is a very bizarre thing because women don't really want men to be women.

It's— that's a real— I know I'm derailing you here, but that's a really good point. It shouldn't be that we should deny male nature. We should acknowledge it and then seek to correct it or put it in line. Well, right.

Yes.

Keep it in check.

We need to correct it. You need to work with us. And I have a lot of thoughts on that, obviously. But anyway, both sexes have their battles, and they're not the same battles. And one of the battles for women is their looks. So it's very interesting what in our sick age, the— our lazy age, it's really one of its characteristics— knowing that women battle that, what the feminist left, not feminist left, feminist/left worlds have been advocating is don't even think about how you look. That's the answer to the age-old problem. So that's what fat acceptance is about. It was a perfect example.

And dirtiness acceptance, even though that isn't a, you know, I think normalizing fatness is a term, but normalizing dirtiness isn't. But it's just something that I've observed, that it is sort of a fad among a select group of women to not shave their armpits, to not—

Is that true?

Yes, to not wash their clothes consistently, to kind of look a little grungy.

I thought the shaving thing died in the '60s or something.

Oh no, it's not dead.

It's not?

Oh no, it's definitely not. Don't— it's—

well, and you know what, you know what the statement is. Why would I do that? It's not natural. And if a man doesn't want me because of that, screw him. Well, no pun intended.

Only you would think of that, you being a man.

That's right.

Not you, Dennis Prager.

Half the population would think of that.

That's a better way to say it. That, that just flew right over my head.

I get it, you're a female and I'm a male. The, uh, that that is the reason for getting rid of the swimsuit competition in the Miss America pageant. The, the delegates, the women who won the state competitions, they didn't vote for it. They're, they're actually proud of how much they've worked out and look good. They should be. And they should be.

It's an amazing thing.

That's exactly right. But the anti-reality, life should not be in any way painful left, that is what is at the core, or a core of leftism. Life should not have any pain. And it is painful that women would ever be regarded as a sex object. Which in and of itself is worth, by the way, a discussion on Dennis and Julie. I, I don't understand why that is bad. The, the contempt that these feminists must have for men is even deeper than I thought it was. They don't understand that we can actually balance an understanding that a woman can be sexy and bright and creative and talented and, and every— all, all other good things that we would think about a male.

Right.

But, and that's an added— and isn't it a nice thing that it's added? I mean, isn't life hard? And isn't that a sort of little perk in life, the male-female difference? And to celebrate it is better than to deny it. The joyless nature of leftism drives me out of my mind. And the getting rid of the swimsuit competition in the Miss America contest was a Perfect example. Like, why? So I'm supposed to tune in because I care what Miss Montana thinks about Ukraine, right? That, that's— but, but, but I don't care what Mr. Montana thinks about Ukraine. I don't, I don't care about what the quarterback of a Super Bowl-winning team thinks about Ukraine. I care about what wise people in foreign affairs think about Ukraine. So it's not a, it's not a knock on, on the Miss America contestants that I don't care what they think about Ukraine. It's not a knock on football players that I don't care. I care about their football. Like in a beauty contest, I care about their beauty. Now if they sound like a dummy, it's, it's a turn-off, to be perfectly honest. Most healthy men are not turned on by dummy women. Okay, I mean, just You know, Revelation number 773. But it's— so anyway, back to the battles. Okay, so the battles, we'll talk about male battle another time because it's, it's everybody's battle. So I am— I guess I could speak about her. I'm married to a beautiful woman. Is that fair to say?

Certainly.

And I'm not saying it because I'm married to her.

No, she's—

I wouldn't, I wouldn't raise her as an example. Now, if she hears this, you know, this is what she'll think. She'll think, oh, that was so sweet of Dennis to say that, but he really shouldn't have mentioned it. She— there is no part of her that agrees. And if I may say—

what do you mean by that? No part of her that agrees?

That agrees that, you know, when a person said, you know, oh, to that statement.

Got it. Got it.

I mean, whenever it is said like at a table, when we, at a speech of mine, we're sitting at a table and somebody will say that, it's usually a woman, men are afraid to say anything like that now. I'm not, but I don't have a lot of fears, part of my joy of life, which is worthy of its own discussion.

Yes, it is, I was thinking that.

Yeah, fear, fear is a big one. Anyway, she will say to me, at the table quietly or afterwards, wasn't that, wasn't that sweet of that woman to say that? And I go, yes, it was sweet of her to say it, but it's true. She thinks it was sweet but not true. It was just, it was a sweet thing to say. So I, I don't have an answer to this question. What percentage of good-looking women think they're good-looking?

I don't know.

I don't know if it's knowable.

It's not knowable. And also, I've been in very particular environments. As you know, I went to an all-girls high school. And so we didn't have the— well, now, I mean, if I'm being really honest, now my all-girls high school is 75% of the grade is either lesbian, bisexual, non-binary, or transgender. But when I was there, most—

75%?

75%, according to One of the girls that goes there now, who I know, she's a family friend, she says 75% of the grade. That was not the case when I was there. There were lesbians, sure, in my grade, but no non-binary, no trans. Very few lesbians. Anyway, we didn't have guys there. And that's part of why my parents sent me to the school and why I enjoyed going to the school because it was about academics first. There wasn't a distraction of guys. We had a uniform. There wasn't the distraction of what you're going to wear that day. It was really just focused on your work.

Do they still have uniforms?

Yes, they do, but they don't— in my day, they really enforced the dress code. If your skirt was too short, which by the way, I was known— this won't be a shock to you— I was known as the girl that would like wear my skirt to her knees. Some girls would like hike it up.

I would never hike it down.

I hiked it down. Like, I remember I was, I was on the water polo team and one of the girls who was in 9th grade, we were walking to the pool and I remember she turns to me and she goes, Julie, your skirt is literally touching your knee. And I thought, oh my God, I'm such a nerd. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was really long. I just never liked that look. I just thought, why are you trying to look slutty? I never liked that look.

Okay, I disagree with you that it makes you look slutty. Sexy and slutty are not identical.

We will get into that, but of course, I'm so relaxed I lost my train of thought. Oh yes, we didn't have the guys there. So I don't, to answer your question, I'm not sure because dating and male desire of women was not a part of my upbringing or teenage years. But I think there, I would say I think there are some women who really think highly of themselves, and then I think there are a lot of women who are the exact opposite. I don't know if there's much of a middle ground. Maybe I'm wrong.

How many women see themselves objectively fit? And I'm talking physically. I mean, that's, that's really the question. And I think it's a small number. You're one of them who doesn't. I mean, to be perfectly honest, you, you, you You probably think you do see yourself.

I think I do.

Of course you do. My wife thinks she does, and so on. And so I have actually suggested to you, for example, a lot of women think men really, really want very thin women. I don't know when this was created. Someone said to me— not someone, a few people have said to me that the modeling industry is dominated, and both in the photographers and the producers of the shows, is dominated by gay men, which is an odd thing when you think about it. You, you would think that heterosexual men would dominate in the arena of female clothing because—

Yes and yes and no. They, they would probably seek more I don't know, business, economics, finance.

Who would?

Men.

No, well, no, no, it is, it is run by men. The question is, is it gay men or heterosexual men?

Well, I'm sorry, I meant straight men.

Wait, so straight men would do what?

I think it makes sense that gay men run the fashion industry because I think straight men would think that it's too super— certainly straight men are the consumers. They love buying the magazines. But as far as running the business, I can understand why they're not. Because they would probably think it's superficial or it's dealing with women all day and it's a hit on their masculinity.

Oh, that's— believe me, most men would love to be in that industry.

So it shows you how—

yeah, well, that shows you how you think like a woman. But no, it's the, the reason I raised the, the gay men dominance in the industry. If it's true, it would help explain why thinness, to the extent that it is there, is, is so dominant but is not realistic. So I said to you, look at anything that appeals to men. I used to say to women, look at Playboy magazine, but the magazines are pretty much dead because of the internet.

And is Playboy still around?

I have no idea. I don't, but it is still around. All right, Sean just got the latest issue so that he would know. By the way, don't, don't be embarrassed. My father had a subscription to Playboy and I love him for it. Quit interrupting him. He just said our task is to keep him distracted from the latest issue. Uh, none of them are thin. None of them.

Yeah, but a lot of them are toned.

No, toned, yes, toned is— tone is fine, but, but it's not toned that for When women think that they're fat or, or that their thighs are big or their butt is big or their arms are big or their legs are big, it's not toned. It's they have an image of thin. My wife is 6 feet tall and she thought her whole life that the ideal was to be a petite Latino woman. Latino woman.

Why Latino woman?

Because that's what men wanted. Somebody put it in her brain, maybe an ex-husband. I don't know who put it in her brain. I mean, there's nothing wrong with petite Latina women. And frankly, I think women of all varieties, if they're attractive, are attractive. But it's— I don't know. What it would take to convince women that they are appealing to a man. And by the way, even that is an interesting question. Is that when a woman thinks she's not thin enough, is it not thin enough for other women or for men?

So I was just about to say, I think a lot of it is for other women because women, we act like we don't judge one another harshly. We do. We judge ourselves very harshly. Harshly, but we also judge one another harshly too.

So if you look in the mirror and think critically, you're thinking— you're not thinking, would I attract a man? You're thinking, will women think I'm attractive? See, to a man, that sounds bizarre. No, almost no man thinks, how do guys look at me?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's both, but I think it's mostly women. I really do. I think it's mostly, how are my female friends going to think of me. It's both. It's 50/50. But women do silently judge one another harshly.

Oh, I have no doubt about that.

They would never say it, and in fact, many of us talk about how awful it is that women judge one another, but we're—

Right, okay.

It doesn't take away our nature that we do.

Right, okay, so that's another subject. All I'm saying is the— it comes from somewhere, this inability to understand that you're attractive if you're attractive. Either it's innate— women will just, you know, they're just this built-in insecurity— could be innate, or it's societally induced, or both. But I'm back to my belief it's not toned. I think there's a true belief. I'll ask you a question. On college campus, did you ever— you ever remember walking around thinking, wow, I just met a girl my age, she's truly too thin?

Oh yeah.

Oh, you have?

Oh, of course. Oh, I mean, and especially growing up in LA, there's a lot of that. I have known a lot of people who've had serious eating disorders. Yes.

No, those are— okay, those are girls you knew. But on a daily basis?

Not on a daily basis. Perhaps on a weekly or biweekly basis. No, it doesn't happen often. I think though, you know, you were just saying, why do So just to make it clear to the audience, we're focusing this discussion on women who are attractive who think that they're not.

That's right.

Who don't see themselves as sexual.

Right.

And who don't—

No, don't see themselves as sexy.

Sexy, yes. I meant like sexual— I hate saying the word objects, but—

Yeah, I have no problem with it. Gloria— Do you continue? Because I want to talk about that in a moment.

What I was going to say is— what was I going to say?

Well, we're talking about that the issue is women not seeing themselves as sexy.

Well, I think a lot of it is certainly this self-criticism and this judgment, but also I think that a lot of women— and I can, I can relate to, to this idea— dislike the idea of being seen as sexy entirely in the eyes of men. Like, obviously we want to seem sexy in the eyes of men, but sometimes when you get the impression—

half a century of suppressing it.

Well, when you get the sense that that's what the guy, like, all the guy sees in you, it is— it, it does feel— oh God, I can't curse on air. I think this is my first time cursing on air.

They'll bleep it. We're fine.

Okay, it doesn't feel good. And I think a lot of women find it to be threatening.

It doesn't feel good in the beginning.

Yes, probably. It probably feels—

believe me. Okay, so if you're going with a guy for 6 months, it won't feel essy, to use the term that was bleeped.

My first time ever cursing on air.

I mean, am I wrong or am I right? I mean, do you really never want the man you love to see you that way?

Of course you— it's not that you never want them. I think it's hard for women because we— the thing that we love immediately in men, or I don't mean right, whether they're sexy, I know.

So this is a perfect example.

Humor and smarts.

I know, right? Well, all right, so here's the bad news for women. All of that is great. As a bonus, men are visually driven. They can't help it. It's just the way it is.

You just, as a woman, you sort of get this idea.

It's not fair. Do you know that I once broke up with a woman when I was in my, your age. I remember it was an Israeli woman and I speak Hebrew fluently, so I had a perfectly fine social life in Israel and I would go every year. And was one of the brightest and kindest human beings, women or men, that I knew. But I wasn't attracted to her physically. And when I broke up, I, I very rarely in my life— I, I don't think 5 times have I cried. And, and I, I actually cried that, uh, for me and for her Did you tell her it was because of the— No, of course not. Oh my God, it's devastating to say it doesn't work out. I don't know, different cultures. I, I don't know what I blamed it on, right? But, but no, of course I didn't tell her, but that was the reason. And it wasn't, wasn't like she was ugly. I just, I, I just didn't visually find her attractive enough. And I— it shouldn't have to be a model. It did It's just what it is, what it is. I'm not blaming myself. I'm just saying for women, it's very rarely that way.

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If he's funny and bright and strong and masculine— as I always say, the vast majority of men are physically a 5 or a 6, okay? There are very few 1s and very few 10s. There are far more 8s in women than 8s in men. There's no comparison. And there's a reason for that. That's the way nature designed it. The female attracts the male physically and the male attracts the female through other means.

Right.

Okay, yes.

I think it really is for us, it's just, it's foreign. It's not that women are not sexually attracted to men immediately. Of course, when you go on a date, I mean, you have to have some kind of attraction otherwise.

Well, or you can believe it might happen.

Right, or you need to be able to see the potential. But for us, when we're starting out, it is so not about that. And so it's a little difficult to put yourself in their shoes. And also I think, and I am debating whether or not to use this word because I really hate the way that feminists have tossed this around and sort of cried wolf when it wasn't warranted, but I think women do find it to be a bit dehumanizing when they see immediately that a guy is just sexually Like, because you know, well, it also— that's all you like about me because I have big boobs, or I have—

you're right, you know, entirely right.

What about my intellect?

By the way, very wealthy men have the same issue. Does she love me or does she love my money, right? There is a complete— and by the way, money is to men what, what looks are to women. I mean, so in case women think they're deeper than men, allow me to bring you back to reality. It's true, okay?

It's very true.

The fattest, ugliest guy who has a billion dollars is very sexy. Okay, so let's be real, okay? There is— there's an equal amount of superficiality in both sexes in that regard.

I'm gonna steal that point. That's a— that's a very good point.

Yes. Yep.

We— we don't— we don't acknowledge that as women.

Billionaires are not loveless, right?

See, here's also— and it was, um, something I was thinking at 80.

Just for the record.

It was something that I was thinking about a few minutes ago when, I forget what you were discussing, but it came to mind that feminists now have made men more sexually driven. It's so paradoxical where we both lament that men are too sexually driven, but then we create the situation that makes them that way, and that's hookup culture. We, we say that it's empowering for women to sleep with a man on the first date and to, you know, let their sexuality out. But the reality is that it's not that women aren't sexual, but they're not as sexual as men. And women, most of us, do not want to sleep with a guy on the first date or the second date or the third date or the fourth date unless there's serious— unless there's a serious—

yes, unless there's an emotional connection, etc.

Yes. And so now, and this is what people don't understand, like I'm sure if I went out on a date— I mean, of course it depends on the guy— but I'm sure if I went out on a date 50 years ago, I was more likely to have a guy that would pay for my dinner, that would hold the door open for me, who would pick me up at my apartment and then drive me home, and not trying to bang me on the first date.

Okay, that's correct.

That was in the oppressive conventional culture. Men were more in control of their sexuality in that traditional patriarchal culture. —And now that women, you know, and I saw this so much in college, so much, and now that I'm out of it, I can see how just hypocritical it is that women would constantly, constantly complain about men being overbearing and pushing it too much, but then they wouldn't ask for commitment and they would capitulate to whatever they wanted. And that's what just, it drives me crazy. We have brought out and rewarded and exacerbated this part of men that needs to be controlled?

I just have one immediate reaction. There is not a coherent thought on the left. True. That I've realized that since college. It's all, it's all emotive and not thought through. And the reason is there's no value of wisdom on the left. Right. It just isn't. The instinct, propaganda, wishful thinking, not desiring pain. Mm-hmm. Women, you're just like men. Men, you're just like women. And that supposedly relieves pain and of course genuflects before the god of equality, because equality is now synonymous and has been for half a century with sameness. The idea separate but equal— and I don't mean in facilities like schools, I mean you are a separate entity but you are equal— or as the Bible in its infinite genius puts it, and God created woman as— and I know the Hebrew very well, it's usually not translated correctly— she is ezer kenegdo, she is his helper who is his equal. That's what the Hebrew says.

Yep, that is— that's your dedication to Sue, isn't it?

That's right, from that Rational Bible. Yes, that is, to those on the left, mutually contradictory. If she's his helper, she is not his equal. By the way, the same word for helper is used for God Who is it? Wow. Yes. Just for people who won't know this.

God's really sexist if he's using the same word for— Yeah, sexist and pro-woman. Right. Yeah. See, you know, this is why I love this show so much, because I have these realizations on air, or I come up with hypotheses. I am, because of this discussion, starting to speculate that perhaps part of the reason why women attractive women don't see themselves as such is because they're trying to close themselves up because they're uncomfortable by this overly, by overly forward sexual men.

Well, yeah, well, that's behavior. So overly forward sexual men can be a turnoff. There's no question about it. And by the way, men are stupid if they do that. I know you want a woman to fall for you. I know. Don't act that way, like you're bowled over by her. Look, strategically, I knew that at 16. I don't know how I knew it. I just knew, oh, you're gorgeous, you're gorgeous, isn't going to get me anywhere.

Okay, so I was out to dinner with Astrid, who we, we introduced on the show last week, but she's this lovely Danish girl who, who Dennis met in Denmark, and then Dennis invited her to come out to LA and we hung out, had a great time. Anyway, we were out at dinner and we were talking about this subject, how strategically it's so stupid for men to first date, push the sexual stuff if they want to. That's what they want. I mean, A, I just, I don't think that's a decent way to treat a woman, but B, also strategically speaking, it's stupid. So Astrid, I have to give her credit for this. I thought it was brilliant because I said men need to make women feel like they're in control.

I mean, it's interesting because men need to— oh yes, to have to— as if they, the man, is in control.

Men need to make women feel like—

in control of what? Especially in the beginning, in the sexual arena.

I'm not following. No, in control of the pace. Yes, but also like, you know, and they should be, of course. No, of course they should be. I'm not I'm not saying men need to make women think that, but they're actually not. I'm saying it's important that men do that, but yes, we were talking about it in the sexual realm, but we were also sort of talking about it in the sense of like, how long does the date last, or how frequently do you meet up after the first date? And yeah, so just sort of like women need to feel like they're in the driver's seat. Astrid said this, but also women need to feel like they're in the driver's seat, but there's also this interplay where they want an assertive man. Astrid, I thought, presented this great analogy where she's, because we were at a restaurant, she's like, it's like this dynamic now between a patron and a waiter. The waiter is in charge because he's getting the food, but you're the one paying. You're the one, and I thought that was a great way to describe the dynamic. The dynamic between women and men in the beginning where like, you want a man to cater to you and be assertive, but, and kind of outwardly look like that, but you're also the one who's actually in control. Does that make any sense? I thought it was funny. Anyway, back to the subject.

All right. Okay, so he's confused, Shawn.

Why? I'm getting it. With this waiter thing?

No, no, forget the waiter for a moment. You want, you want women to be in control, but you want men to lead. So he says it's, it's, it's confusing to him as a male. So look, uh, let me put it in, in terms that might, might help or might not help. The, the male-female interplay is extremely complex. Yes, it is. It is like an extremely choreographed dance of complex moves, and that when it's gotten right, you get a fantastic ballet out of it. And if not, they just bump into each other and fall down, and it looks pretty awful. My, my take on this, after decades of talking to men and women very openly— not just to, with men and women and very openly. And having been married more than once, uh, more than twice, I have, right? I've been divorced twice. Said with love. I know, I know that. Not said with shade. I'm not embarrassed by it. I know you're not.

I just want to clarify for the viewers who think I'm insulting you.

Certainly in the Okay, the first case is very mutual, and the second case doesn't matter. Life is— I know that life is complex and can be painful, and that is— it's fine. I, I'm— as you know, I was just telling you how happy I am every day, and you know that to be true. Okay, anyway, the women want masculine, strong men. They don't want to be treated, uh, disrespectfully. That should, that should be easy for people to, to manage. As a man, I have— I believe I radiate strength, and because I know it's there, it's not a, it's not a, an act that I put on. At the same time I treat my wife beautifully. By the way, in that regard though, I once said this to you, I think, off the air. I came up with a motto very many years ago. You know what I'm referring to?

Is it the 'if you could get inside of men's brains'?

No, no. Oh, but that's a good one. But this, this is, this is much more sensitive. This is a motto of mine. Husbands and wives should make love outside the bedroom.

Oh my God, I can't believe you're saying this. And have sex inside the bedroom. It really does show how open we are.

Oh yes, exactly. I don't think we hide almost anything. We really don't hide anything. Well, we assume that people who can handle reality are listening. Yes. And if they can't handle reality, and a lot of people can't, then this might help them. Okay, so then it just— it is what it is. But there is a— there is a time for male strength to truly assert itself in the— in the realm of the purely sexual. I think that for most women, that's a turn-on. Outside the bedroom, if he, uh, he, he should be loving and kind, and, and that, and that has nothing to do with weak, right? No man should think that. It's, it's, it's an absurdity. If you reach out and hug your wife or just tell her you love her regularly. I mean, it doesn't render you weak.

I just want to cut in, and I'm doing this to protect you. I want to clarify because I know what Dennis means, but the Young Turks listen to— I know the Young Turks and that woman, what's her name? Anna Karenina. I always want to call her Anna Karenina. When you say men outside the bedroom are— you should be loving it. You are— I mean, of course you also mean that inside the bedroom they should.

Yes, but I know what you're saying for both sexes. To also be animals. Okay, that the sex act is not in— okay, so I'm going to quote a guy named Stoller. I don't remember his first name. He was a brilliant UCLA psychiatrist, brilliant. And I read his book maybe 30 years ago, and I, I do not have a memory for lines or names. I have a memory for concepts. But I memorized a line of his from his book because when I read it, I just was blown away. The human species is not a very loving species, especially when making love.

Wow.

Robert Stoller. Yes, Robert Stoller. It's very honest. That— so by the way, that doesn't bother me. It doesn't scare me. I like to know reality and then live with it. The very act— I mean, I hope kids aren't watching, but, uh, the, the very act is not exactly a subtle act, right? The, the, this, you know, this throbbing and pushing, and, uh, it's— which is fine. I mean If you can allow the— that animal part of you to have some expression, obviously there are times it's just loving, of course, but it has to run the gamut. We are— we're in God's image and in animal's image. That's, that's one of my deepest views of the human condition. And you— if you can allow the animal its time within, within loving conditions, of course, then you've hit pay dirt. Right.

And it's funny because I bet a lot of women would hear you say this and take umbrage with you. But at the same time, we live in this kinky culture, as I call it, where so many women and men, but it's led by women, think it's empowering to be like really kinky. I don't even think it's the right word. Just kind of vile with behaviors in the bedroom. And this, okay, again, this shows how open we are that I'm saying this. One of the things I talked to Dennis about this recently and Sue, choking is a big thing now.

Yeah, I know that. I've heard it from other women. Among people my age.

And I must admit, men choking women in bed.

As much as I know men, I don't understand that.

I think that— I, I think that is vile.

I, as I said to you when you said it, choking, it's suggestive of death. Spanking is not. Yes. And I don't see anything sexy in, in suggestions of death. I don't know what is erotic about doing that. So my question is, and I would have to ask men, young men, I guess, on a I don't know if men my age ever, ever even did that, but, uh, I would like to ask them, is this— do you— maybe they wouldn't have an answer.

Did you see this in porn films? Yeah, it's very interesting.

Or does this come naturally to you? Is it a turn-on?

Well, I've had female friends— well, let me say that men, when they do it A lot of the times their response is that they think they're turning women on when they do that. I don't understand how that would be turning women on.

Well, okay, well then part of being a man is to read a woman.

Yeah, well, exactly. But this is where the but is important. Sorry, I had to laugh because we're talking about sex. Okay, bad joke. Oh, I hate myself. Women pretend like they like it. I mean, I don't know for certain if all women who say that they like choking are pretending. I know many women in my life who say that they do that with their sexual partners, and some of them have said that they enjoy it. This is probably not going to be a popular thing that I'm about to say, but I have to be honest. I think they're faking it. I think they're kidding themselves into thinking that they like it because it's a part of this, like, rah-rah-rah feminist We can do TGD. I don't even have a thought. I really don't understand how that can be. I mean, like, if you just go like this to yourself, what feels good about that?

Nothing, right? It's really— and what does it suggest? That he has control over your life and death?

Yes, it's very odd. And also, you know, and you said this to me when I was talking to you and Sue about this phenomenon, you said, oh, toxic masculinity. Is everywhere and so prevalent, but choking is okay. It was— it was a brilliant response. Choking isn't toxic masculinity, but mansplaining is, right? I'd like to introduce you to Monorail, America's investment app that takes you from where you are to where you want to be. Monorail is an investment and savings app that is made for patriots by patriots. Doesn't matter whether you're an Apple fan or if you prefer Android. Monorail is available in both environments and online at monorail.com. Monorail is safer for users with bank-level encryption and biometrics. Your money is protected with Monorail through the Securities Investor Protection Corporation and the FDIC. No matter how you engage with Monorail, you're getting the security and the safety that you need, whether you're adding funds to your investment account, looking to buy a stock, or putting money aside for future purchases. With Monorail, you can put your money where it matters and utilize the economic power that built this country. Don't go somewhere else to trade stocks. Monorail gives you the freedom to purchase whole or fractional shares in companies that you believe in. It only takes 5 minutes to download the app and to set it up. Join the pro-America money movement. Join Monorail. I mean, again, I know, I know we're, we're really being honest here, but was that, was that a thing among men when you were—

news to me. I mean, I I'll tell you, I would raise it on my Male Female Hour because I, I, I use my radio show, as you know, my human laboratory, and I've learned so much. But I think it's so, uh, age-specific, that behavior, that I, I don't know how many would respond because while I have a lot, mostly young people on my podcasts on AM radio tends to skew middle-aged and older. So I don't know who I would hear from if I would say, you know, call me up and tell me, do you do this? And do you really— where did you learn this? Or— I don't know. I don't have an answer.

I mean, do men— I mean, when— again, when you're talking about spanking, Obviously, if you're doing it really hard to hurt a woman, that's not fun or pleasant or sexy. But if you're doing it lightly or in a playful way, I can understand how both a man would find that to be fun and a woman would find that to be fun. With choking, is there any— do men desire to choke?

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. I don't get it.

And I'm genuinely just asking. It's not a rhetorical question.

I'm very rarely befuddled in the sexual arena.

I know that men have a violent Yeah, you're right. But do they desire to choke?

I've never heard of it. I don't know, because as I said, the endgame of spanking isn't death, okay?

The endgame— it's not pain—

tying you up, uh, is not death. It's, you know, doing what I want, and it could be a turn-on to both sexes. It often is. But choking I don't have an answer to you. Well, it shows that it's learned. I think it is.

I think it— I think it is too.

Well, you realize how much is learned. I mean, that women could believe that they want hookup culture as much as men, that proves how deeply society influences people.

Well, it shows you the, the power of the left, to your point, because women are behaving in ways that are contrary to their nature. It is not in women's nature to be as sexually promiscuous as men are and as sexually open as men are. But now the left has contaminated them into thinking they are. Even if you look at this robbing children of innocence, you always say it's in women's nature to protect children and nurture them and coddle them.

And now they're the biggest robbers of children's innocence. We live in an upside-down world. By the way, have you asked your girlfriends about the choking? You're the one to ask, not a guy.

I'm serious. I have. And it's— I, I mean, I'll be honest, it's a mixed bag. Some of my friends totally agree with me, and then others are like, I actually like it when it— when my boyfriend or a guy does that. Of course, of course they don't like to be suffocated.

No, nobody, no. And nor does a non-homicidal man think that, right? All right, look, no, it's, it's mixed. I'm willing to learn. I mean, if You know, what is it? Chacun son goût. What is it? Chacun son goût, right? Everyone to his own taste. If that's good for you, have a good time. I'm not here to— I just, I admit it's one of the few things that I've heard in the sexual realm that I don't get. I mean, there's— I don't know if it's few. I mean, I don't get— yeah, I don't get bestiality. I don't get it.

We don't need to go into it.

There are a lot of things I don't get, but, uh, that's, that's a, uh— okay, look, the, the point is I'd— I, I would love to do seminars for men.

It's— I would love for you to do seminars for men.

Uh, you would, you would love that? Yes.

I— you don't And this is not about the money. It isn't. I have been on so many first dates where men don't pay, where they just split.

Well, that— that— I was never rich. I am now comfortable, and I thank God for it. But certainly in my dating years, you know, I never had a big income. I had an okay income. I never had a big income. I would have died if we split. And it wasn't, oh, I'll get sexual favors if I, if I pay the bill. It was— I'll be totally honest— it was my way of saying to the woman, I'm a man and I take care of a woman who's in my life, right? And it always was taken that way. And it only redound it to my benefit.

And by the way, in these situations, the men have chosen the restaurant. I totally understand. That's right.

Don't go to the most expensive restaurant.

I mean, like, we're all— I mean, the guys I'm dating, we're in our 20s.

Take her to a less expensive place and pay for it, then go 50/50 in an expensive place. I would love to go to In-N-Out and get a burger. Yes, I don't care what it is. Well, when I— you'll love this. So when I was in high school, I had so little money. Basically, I had an allowance from my father, which I spent on books and classical records and concerts. So I had virtually nothing left. Do you know where I went on dates in high school? Where? So I lived in New York City, and I would take the girl to the Bronx Zoo.

Dennis, if a guy took me to a zoo, I would think it is the cutest thing. I would love to go to a zoo on the first date.

And they were free in those days. It was free.

That's such a great idea because it's an activity, it's fun, it's different. It's—

I think that's very endearing. By the way, well, I had another endearing thought that— and I even, I wrote it in my diary. I don't— I said I won't take a girl to a movie.

Guess why? Because there's the opportunity to put your arm around her.

No, I wouldn't take her to a movie. That, that was my point. I didn't take a date to a movie. You're right.

If I was— but that's the reason, right? Because you didn't want to— oh, oh yeah. I thought the reason was that you didn't want to put the girl in the situation of feeling like you were going to have to kiss or cuddle in the movie.

No, nothing to do with that. The reason that I didn't take a girl on a date to a movie was you'll get it.

Oh, you wouldn't be able to talk.

That's right. Yeah. Well, well, you'll really like this. I wrote this in my diary in my junior or senior year. I want to be the focus of her attention, not the guy in the movie. How's that?

That's not bad for 15. No, not bad at all.

And it wasn't meant arrogantly. I wanted her to be the focus of my attention. And not the act, right?

No, of course, both ways. How can you get to know each other?

Yes, talking is such a turn-on. Oh, since you mentioned about wanting to put your arm around the girl, so my senior year I, I took— I did take a girl who I was quite interested in. In fact, I ended up taking to the prom.

So I took— okay, wait, sorry, I'm, I'm so sorry to interrupt you. So many people over the age of 50 say to the prom. What do you say? People my age think it's so funny that you guys say the prom. What do you say?

To prom. Oh God, there's not the—

pathetic. Oh, to prom. There's not one— it's not the prom.

How about is it to movie or to the movie? To the concert or to concert? To the zoo or to zoo?

Sean's nodding. You're not 50. You're supposed to be—

Sean, are you with me? It just sounds— He's with me.

I'm telling you, people who are my age who are listening are so going to— Yeah, you're going to prom with Daniel. Oh, I know.

I'm sure it sounds funny to hear the. Oh my gosh.

It sounds funny to hear no the. We would all laugh because we would make fun of our parents who are going, who are you taking to the prom? Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you. And I know I'm going to get emails from Dennis and Julie listeners who are really mad when I interrupt you and mad when you interrupt me.

We did. Okay, we're pretty good at letting the other say what they want, but sometimes you've got to interrupt, including you, either one of us. Yes, otherwise— yes, you did. There you go. Otherwise the point is lost. What if there's a, you know, it doesn't matter. This was very important. So I never heard 'to prom.' Okay, I get it. How about 'to prom' or 'not to prom'? That is the question. A new read from Shakespeare. Oh my God, to prom or not to prom. Look, you graduated college. No, no, no, I, I, I have totally adopted. Thank you. And you have dropped in regards.

Yes, that was short-lived. Okay, I'm sorry, you said you senior year you went to a movie.

So the girl I took to prom I have no problem. I took to Carnegie Hall to a— I remember the concert even, not that it would interest 99% of those listening, but it was the Philadelphia Orchestra, one of the great orchestras of the world.

So cute. Oh my God, they're so cute.

It was cute. And I got all dressed up because in those days you went to concert and you got, especially Carnegie Hall, you got dressed up, which is a better thing than we have today. And I remember, and I was in love, I was already in love with classical music, and I was, I was almost sweating. It was so nervous-making. Can I put my arm around her or not?

That's really cute. You know, I, I remember when I was—

by the way, it's healthy.

To put the arm around or you feel nervous about doing it?

Yes, you feel nervous about doing it.

I wish, if I sensed a guy was nervous to put his arm around me, I would be so much more likely to like that guy than if a guy was super suave and overly confident about it. Exactly. My mom would say to me, and I know she's listening because she listens to all of these, when I was, I think I went on my first date when I was in 9th grade, and I remember my mom drove me to the Santa Monica Promenade, and I was— I actually—

How come you said the promenade and not promenade? Right? If you say prom, you should say promenade. Okay, actually— To promenade.

I will say, when people say we're gonna drive on PCH, it drives me nuts. It's like nails scratching on a chalkboard. You should say the PCH. I'm contradicting myself here. I know I am. To drive on the PCH. Yeah, you should say on the PCH.

That's Pacific Coast Highway for those of you listening in Belgium. Go ahead.

And we do. We have listeners in South Korea. I'm well aware.

Really, really cool. I was not being cute.

I went on my first date in 9th grade. I remember the name of the guy. I'm not going to say it. By the way, sometimes I think People who knew me in my previous life must be watching me now and being like, what is she doing with her life? Hi everyone, this is what I'm doing. Um, and I was so nervous, Dennis. True, I was petrified. I would have rather gone to a swim meet— scratch that, I would have rather gone to 5 days of swim meets in the Arctic tundra than go on this date. Think on this day. I was so nervous, right? And I remember my mom said to me, you know, Julie, he's a person too. He may be a guy, but he's a person. And if he puts this— because I'm like, what if, what if he grabs my hand? What if he puts his arm around me? What if he kisses me? And my mom goes, he's a person. And it was— and you're right, she was right, that guys get nervous too. But the problem is, that was then, this is now. Guys don't really get nervous anymore to do sexual things. They think they're entitled to it.

And that's 100% the creation of feminism.

Yes, it is. It totally is.

A guy called my show— remember, I'm doing this 40 years, so, so I was just barely 30. I was a very young guy, and young guys were calling me. I had a young audience. I had an audience my age and obviously older people. So I said, Dennis, I'd like, uh, like your input or your advice. So I, uh, I was on a date and I don't know what to do. Do I hold the door open or not? Because I have held the door open and gotten the, the comment, what do you think, I'm helpless? And I don't want, you know, I don't, I don't want to offend the girl. And I said, first of all, this is what I recall. I mean, I don't remember the words, but I recall the sentiment. Any girl/woman you're on a date with who resents your holding the door, you should thank her for letting you know immediately what an idiot she is, and you have no desire to have her in your life. She has saved you time and money. You should thank her. Okay, okay, this is a truly unhappy human being. A woman who says, I don't need you to hold the door open for me, I'm helpless. Secondly, a man who is worried about the female's reaction when he's doing something that is right is not masculine. Mm-hmm. You know my def— my word, did I say it on— because you know by heart, you're a living recorder, which is great for for the show, because I'm not.

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Uh, did I mention one of my working definitions of masculine?

I don't think you did. Oh, cool.

So one of my working definitions of masculinity is not intimidated by women.

I'm remembering now. You told, you told it to me off the air.

Off the air. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of that?

I think you're right. I mean, I, I don't think it's the whole picture, of course, but it's certainly part of it. So what, what would you say about femininity then?

What's— what femininity? Okay, what's femininity? Femininity is being, being true to your female self, which feminists are not. They, they are true to doctrine, not to themselves. It themselves— the female, just like the male, the female yearns to, to be with a man. The female yearns even to be protected by a male, to be dominated even. Oh, listen, God bless you. That's correct. Well, that's the bedroom part again.

Yes, but we love if a man is— if we're married to a guy who's smarter, richer, you know.

Yes, certainly, well, dominant in other ways too. Why do women generally want taller men? Yes, that's a good point. Believe me, I think there are, needless to say, fantastic shorter guys. I mean, it's a given. Napoleon was short. It was certainly a dominant male, but it's, it's, it's a built-in advantage to be tall. I've known that. I'm 6'4". I've been 6'4" since high school, and I, and I have known that. My wife is 6 feet. She is very happy I'm taller than her. She didn't expect to find a guy Who also knew biblical Hebrew and conducted orchestras. And was rational and conservative. I'm just joking about the— but yes, she— anyway, back to why do women want a taller man? It has to do with dominance, of course, and protection. The dominance hits the most primitive part of the female, is that I need to be protected. Which she does, by the way. And by the way, if you are not protected by your husband, you will seek to be protected by the state, which is another horrible consequence of feminism. You don't need a man. Oh, but they didn't tell you the flip side. You'll have the government.

Yes. What is it about the appeal of leftism that makes it such that women, not just women, men, people act in a contrary way to their natures? How does it have that power? Because there's nothing there in leftist arguments. They're convoluted, they're idiotic. I know I'm painting them with one broad brush, but I think it's apt to do so here. So what is it about the appeal? I mean, I know what part of it is, and we've discussed it on Dennis and Julie, that leftism Unlike conservatism, doesn't require much of you. Conservatism asks you to look inside yourself first and correct yourself. Leftism asks you to go run into the streets and protest and wag your finger and blame other people for your issues.

In conservatism, you're the problem in your life, and in leftism, society is the problem.

So I get that, but these things that we're talking about, The two examples that we mentioned were women succumbing to hookup culture, not just succumbing to, but being active participants and endorsers of—

It's a very complex question because it so goes against their nature, your entire life.

And the children's innocence. Those things don't have really to do with blaming society. No, they have nothing to do with it. So what's the appeal of the leftist doctrine So the first one—

these are very complex— the first one is the equality issue. Leftism does not accept that men and women are basically different, and it has gone so far as to even deny that there are men and women. You are what you think you are. There is no objective— there's no objective right and wrong. There's no objective male and female. There's no objective anything. It's all subjective. Why that's appealing is a very, very good question. Apparently, equality casts a spell on people. The French Revolution was rooted in equality. The American Revolution was rooted in liberty.

I'm going to make a speculation that I'm not entirely convinced of myself, but we know that human beings have a proclivity to chaos, and we have a sort of barbaric, uncivilized part of ourselves.

The robbing children of innocence is chaos.

I think that it's indulging that.

But the hookup culture is a result of the fixation on equality. I remember people calling my show— that's the great advantage of a talk show— and saying, look, you have to understand, Dennis, the moment you say men and women are different, it's going to always end up being bad for the women because it, it means that we will use their differences to continue inequality. That was the argument.

It doesn't necessarily mean that—

of course it doesn't.

Of course not. It doesn't mean that you, you know, because you recognize differences, that means you use them. You can acknowledge them. Yes. And behave in an honorable way.

Well, they want a risk-free existence.

God, it really is unbelievable how The convoluted way that people think. I know that not everyone is as rational as someone like you, but that's really— I just pictured this maze. That's what leftist thought does to you. It really handicaps you, prevents you from being able to think clearly.

It relies upon, it says Sean in my earphones, in order to make good people, which is the toughest thing in society, you need 4 things. I have this in my latest PragerU video, which will be out in about a month. So in no order of importance, you need truth, courage, reason, reason, and God. That's a tough quartet. You can't get a good society without those four. As I point out, reason without God gives us the chaos we're in now, and God without reason gives you the Iranian regime. Of religious fanaticism. I would love to— I say God without reason. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yes, you did.

I would love to give people a list. It would be very telling of just 10 questions and see what— how they would respond to see if they think clearly.

Yes.

What, what do you think is the biggest task in society? Right. I mean, I wouldn't even— it could be a multiple choice questionnaire, but I would even just want them to fill in the blank. By the way, you did a test, and my dad actually sent it to me. It was early on when I was working here, and it was, are you a leftist or a liberal? It was like 37 questions, or 32. It was amazing. It was really, really good.

That's a really important thing for everybody to go to.

And I had a friend the other day say, that she was a moderate Democrat. And I said, my dear, there is no such thing anymore as a moderate Democrat.

If you're really a moderate Democrat, you're a conservative.

Yes, or an independent, but by all means, you are not a Democrat. But anyway, I wanted to give her that test.

Give her the test, yes. I wish it were massively given out and people had to answer that.

And you also have a test at the, well, it's not, it's not actually tests, it's a list at the end of your book Still the Best Hope, which you know I love, where you talk about conservative and liberal differences. That's when I knew, because everything I was circling was in one category.

Oh, how interesting. Well, after I read the book.

Before I read the book, it would have been in another category, but after it, I switched.

That, I will say, Because I get a lot of people saying I've changed their lives, and I'm very grateful for that. But when you mentioned that it was Still the Best Hope, I knew you were deep. Because that, that book— people know, people are much more familiar with my happiness book or my Bible commentary, but to understand the left and America, I don't think there's a better book ever written than Still the Best Hope.

I had just— I never encountered someone who made arguments like that before, and it was so clear and so—

I worked very hard on that.

You pointed out things that I would see in my life, and I would kind of raise an eyebrow at, and you made it so clear how absurd they were. We talk so much about The Rational Bible on this show, but we really got to plug that book. When did you write that?

About 10 years ago, I don't know, 12 years ago. Yeah.

You know what? So I know we're almost out of time, but I'll end with this story. It just shows how, how, um, there was the hand of God in, in our meeting. I ordered Still the Best Hope. I don't remember ordering it on Amazon, but I think I discovered you on— I, well, I know I discovered you on PragerU, and then I started listening to your radio show and I purchased it. And when it arrived, I almost returned it. Really? Yes. Why? Not after I— once I opened the first page, I loved it. But I thought— honestly, it was because I order a lot of books. I just order a lot of things from Amazon, and I remember I was trying to be better about it, and I was like, oh, I'm not gonna read this book. I love listening to his show or his PragerU videos. I'm not gonna read that. I'm gonna return it. But something, something told me to just keep it and to try it out. And look at what happened. It really—

it's a devastating book. I know that. And, you know, it sounds terrible to say it about your own book, but I don't really give a damn. It's really important. And that you knew that so touched me.

Well, I mean, I'll take it. Thank you. But my God, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how important it is. And also, one of the things that you talked about, and I thought it was just fascinating, was that there are these different world systems. We have Islam, the American value system, and then the kind of like European welfare state. And those are the three that are really dominating right now. And you acknowledge at the end of the book that some may present the Chinese Communist Party system. But you said that's not rooted in ideology.

It's right, exactly. Well, its ideology is the all-powerful party that suppresses all dissent and freedom, but allows free enterprise.

Right. But that's a shallow ideology.

Well, not only shallow, even from their own perspective, Xi currently, as we're speaking now, the, the tyrant of China, is suppressing, uh, suppressing capitalism, is suppressing a lot of industry. He wants the government to take it over. Communism can never allow any arena of life to be free because it will engender dissent, and dissent is intolerable. So It's— they tried it, but it's not, it's not working out. Anyway, it is an important book, and our, uh, our talk today was about men and women and sex. We go from sex to communism. Yeah, I know, but it was 90% sex, and, and it— and a lot— I, I know because I have a sense of listeners and so on. Some people will be uncomfortable Yes, they will, with what was said. But I have, I have a final statement on that very subject. It is irrelevant if you're uncomfortable or not with what you hear. It's irrelevant. All that matters is, is it true? That is the only question one should ever ask about anything they read or hear. Not does it make you comfortable.

Yes. You know, you asked me in one of our earlier broadcasts whether I am happier now that I'm conservative, and of course I answered yes. Yes, you have a great answer. Well, I have a few answers, and one of them is that so much of why I'm happier is because I found religion and God. But the biggest thing that I say is because it taught me to accept reality. Not accept it and not try to do anything to improve it, but to accept it instead of try to run away from it. You are happier, paradoxically, when you accept the tragic nature of life or the uncomfortable parts of life. Like, yes, if I were designing the world from scratch, would I try to tamp down male sexual nature? Would I try to change some of the things that we're talking about? Of course I would, but I can't do that. and I am so much happier when I acknowledge it and we talk it through and try to find the best way to go about things instead of running away. We got to acknowledge reality.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why she is a gift in your life.

That's very sweet.

Thank you. How do you reach people?

You tell us, Dennis, how we reach people. By the way, someone memed us and we thought it was so funny. We had a Dennis and Julie— did you see this? No. Oh my gosh, we had a Dennis and Julie listener who, uh, is that the right— I know I love how I'm 23 and I don't even know if this is the right word— they memed us. Is that right? What did you say? They made a meme of you. Okay, that's what I just said, Sean. That's what I thought. Yes, and I asked you what our Facebook name is.

She is annoyed with you because you made meme a verb. She is now annoyed with you for pointing out that.

Go ahead. I asked you what our Facebook name is and you responded, Coca-Cola should not be drunk that often. And then there's this like visual of me going, we're never going to get followers this way because you don't know our social media handles because I always take care of it at the end of the show.

That's right.

So Dennis, I know, but you're gonna be out in the world speeches and people are gonna go, how do we follow you?

@DennisAndJulie. No. @DennisJulie.

Yes. Okay, what else?

What else do you need? @DennisJulie. Oh my God. And then you buy a lottery ticket and pray for a win.

@DennisJuliePod. Oh, this is important on Instagram and Twitter.

You whisper pod in my earphones. You are such a troublemaker. He's somewhat of a sadist.

He's enjoying And what's our Facebook name?

This is so easy. Oh, of course. Dennis and Julie Facebook.com. Dennis and Julie have faces. Dennis and Julie like books. Facebook likes Dennis and Julie. Dennis and Julie FB.

What is this? What is this that we do? Speak. Is that what you think it's called? Dennis and Julie Speak Podcast? Thank you, 80th time's the charm. Oh God, see you next time, my dears. And email me at julie@julie-hartman.com. I'm gonna quiz you on that next week. julie@juliehartman.com? No, julie@julie-hartman.com. Liberals.