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The great issue today is animals. Animals. That's a great issue, and it really is. How do we regard animals?

2 minutes before I sat down to listen to your show, I was actually— I leaned over to smell my cat because I thought that I'd smelled something. And she turned over and attacked my— and she just attacked my face, and I was just— it got me thinking about the very issue that you're thinking of. How should we— how accountable should the animals be for their actions? I mean, you know better than I do, in the Old Testament, if an animal were to kick a human and kill it, the animal must be put to death. And they were also included in the flood of Noah.

Right, but not because they're accountable. That's— you're right about describing what happened, but that's not the reason. The animal that killed a human, it's not so much that it's not morally accountable, it's that the biblical view, which I share, is that you can't take a human life and stay alive. It doesn't matter what you are.

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Thank you for the Grand Canyon, and good luck with the apocalypse. Alrighty, everybody, welcome to The Dennis Prager Show, the Ultimate Issues Hour. Every week at this time, I talk to you about some great issue of life. And the great issue is today, animals. Animals. That's a great issue, and it really is. How do we regard animals? Do animals have rights? Do we have obligations to animals? Are animals our equal? Are we superior to animals? Can we eat them? I mean, it is, it is an enormous issue, and it is larger today than perhaps ever before. And I will tell you my take at the very outset so you will know where I'm coming from, again because of my belief in clarity over agreement. So here, here, here it goes. And And it's very simple. I don't think simplistic, but certainly simple. In fact, it actually is the opposite of simplistic, since it's quite on the middle of the road. It neither regards animals as our equal, nor regards animals as an it, as just some, you know, toy that you can do what you want with. And that is that we have moral obligations.

Mm-hmm.

To treat animals humanely, and not to induce— and here is the key— not to induce gratuitous suffering. That's, that's the key. That's our moral obligation, is not to cause unnecessary suffering. But at the same time, we are not morally obligated to desist from killing them If it is of importance to us, like eating, and especially eating, and frankly, well, not— it's not just eating. We kill mosquitoes so that they, they don't bite us. We kill bugs so that they don't annoy our picnic, and so on. So I believe that that is okay. However, the torture of an animal is the most obvious example of a, of a morally evil act. The torture of an animal, which is certainly known to happen, and it happens in a number of ways. The most obvious is, for example, if kids simply use animals to cause pain to them— putting a firecracker in the anal cavity of a cat and watching it blow up. And kids will find that— some kids will find that cute. And by the way, the kids who find that cute are going to end up Probably finding it cute to do bad things to people. But remember, and this is part of the clarity that needs to be given here, while cruelty to animals usually leads to cruelty to people, kindness to animals does not lead to kindness to people. It has no impact in either direction. It's a very— it's never pointed out, but it's very important to point out. Cruelty to animals, yes, that leads to cruelty to people, but kindness to animals doesn't lead to kindness to people. The other way in which we have gratuitous cruelty or torture of animals is, is at play, watching animals, watching cockfights, roosters scratching each other's eyes out, as I saw in Bali in Indonesia many years ago, where even they will put their razors, razor blades On, uh, in the claws of the animal to watch it scratch the other's, uh, eyes out and, and then scrape it, scratch it, uh, to death, or just to use its claws to do so. That, uh, that to me is immoral. And I get my values, as you know, from what we call Judeo-Christian values, most specifically the first 5 books of the Bible, but not And that is where I get this idea. After all, people don't think about this, animal treatment made it to the 10 Commandments. We are instructed to have our animals rest one day a week. That is a moral obligation to an animal. It's a very profound one. By the way, that same Bible, in this case again, the Old Testament, specifically in the Torah, which Jews call the first 5 books of Moses, there is a law that you cannot plow with a donkey and an ox on the same plow because they're of different sizes and they will be yoked in such a way that they would hurt each other. That you can't muzzle an ox while it eats in the fields. It has to be free to eat while it is working. So, there is a very real, a very real biblical concern with how we treat animals, but we are allowed to kill them to eat them. And they are clearly not the same as human value. But in our secular age, they have become like, like humans. You have the most obvious one that I have brought to your attention on many occasions, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, a very morally confused organization in my view, because it does equate humans with animals. And they had a program a couple of years ago called Holocaust on Your Plate where they equated— and I emphasize the word equated— they equated the barbecuing of chickens in America with the cremating of the Jews in the Nazi death camps. There was no moral distinction to people for the ethical treatment of animals. The fact that that organization still exists after that, uh, that atrocious obscenity is, uh, is an ode to the moral confusion of the age of stupidity in which we live, inaugurated largely in the 1960s and '70s. But I'll give you another example. A woman was widowed. A woman that I met a couple of— a month or so ago was at my home, and she had been married to her husband for 50 years.

And they—

was it 50 or 35 years? Anyway, a long time. 35 or 50 years, I don't recall. And the only reason, by the way, I even mention it is because I want to be truthful on everything, even a number of a marriage that you don't even know about. But I just want to tell you. what I know to be true. Anyways, either 35 or 50 years. And she was telling me that there are people who had said to her, women who had said to her, oh God, I know how you must feel. That's how I would feel if my dog died. I can only imagine how bad your loss is because That's how I would feel in the case of the death of my dog. So that she lost her husband of 35 or 50 years, and these people were identifying with her loss in that they could understand what a loss it is by imagining how painful it would be if they lost their dog. And this is not uncommon. This is something that I have been talking about. Since I have begun public lecturing in my 20s, where people are utterly confused about the different worth of humans and animals. So again, to make it simple and not simplistic, the human being— human life is sacred. Animal life is not sacred. Animals may not be— animals may not be tortured. Animals may not be harshly or gratuitously treated. But there is— that doesn't make them our equivalent. And that's the point that needs to be made, which is not clear at all to a generation being raised in a secular emotional world. And the secular world is very emotional, as the example that I gave you just now of how people reacted to this woman who had lost her husband. That in a nutshell is the view that I have, the view that Western civilization has had. You shouldn't torture them, but you in fact are allowed to eat them, and you are in fact allowed to use them. 1-800-PRAGER-776. 1-800-PRAGER-776. And We should not romanticize animals. We should not even speak about good animals and evil animals. A rattlesnake that kills a child is not evil. Evil implies a consciousness of good and bad, but a rattlesnake doesn't think, oh, I'm killing a baby. Anymore, I'm sorry to say, I don't think one could speak about dogs doing goodness, even though they do good things. I love dogs and they do good things. But that they're programmed. Humans are not nearly as programmed. We have freedom of moral choice that animals tend not to have. Not tend not to have, do not have. So animals is the ultimate issue on this issue, or in this edition of the Ultimate Issues Show. Again, and I'll summarize when we come back, then I'll take your calls. You are listening. To the Dennis Prager Show, 1-800-PRAGER-776.

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You're listening to The Dennis Prager Show, and I welcome you back. This is the Ultimate Issues Hour. And on the Ultimate Issues Hour, I talk about some great issue of life every week at this time. And the case this time, or the subject this time, is in fact animals. And what should our view of animals be? Mine is that we have to treat them decently. We cannot cause gratuitous suffering deliberately, but we are allowed to use them. Whether it is plowing the fields, or it is riding a horse, or it is eating them. We are allowed to. But we have to always be careful about how we treat them. We even have to give them, according to the Ten Commandments, a day of the week to rest. That's a pretty big deal. Very few societies have even taken that seriously, including perhaps some religious societies. 1-800-PRAGER-776 is the number. We are— human life is infinitely holy. Or sacred, I should say. And that is not true about animal life. That's been the— anyway, what we call the Judeo-Christian value system with regard to animals. You may have a different one. Today we live in a secular age, and therefore emotions rather than standards have taken over. Certainly not the standards of the ages, because after all, what are the ages but just a bunch of old old fools. We are so brilliant, we have a new idea, and we equate humans and animals. Alrighty, let's go to Gregory in Burbank, California. Hello, Gregory. Dennis Prager.

Hi, Dennis.

Hi.

Uh, my question to you is not in an attacking way. I'm just curious, uh, what your position on the morality of animal sacrifice in the Torah would be.

I am— in fact, ironically, I'm now teaching that very book of Leviticus. Jews and non-Jews are taking my class At the, uh, at the American Jewish University, or used to be University of Judaism in LA. And there, folks are welcome to join again. I start again in January. That's very interesting that you should have even mentioned that, but because I've given it a lot of thought. And here, Gregory, and tell me if this persuades you at all. Uh, number one, uh, the vast majority of animals that were sacrificed were eaten. What it really was was a public slaughtering. And in fact, I, to this day, I wish that people did have to see that the animals that they ate were killed. Then they would have a far more respectful attitude toward meat than they do now. Now it's just packaged and it's, you know, it might as well be a muffin. But it's an animal that we're eating, and I think it's important that we know that when we eat meat. Number 2, it was, it was done in a, in a ritualized manner that was, that was essentially painless. Uh, because it was— there were— the, the mode of doing it was made very clear, and it was to be painless, and its purpose was to get people to be better humans. And if it worked, it's worth it to me.

And I, I would agree with you. I'm a Christian, so I just kind of probably have a little bit different take on it than you. But what about, like, uh, for instance, the burning of pigeons and such? Would that be like— there's not necessarily a beneficial to a human so much as an appeasement towards God in that regard. Would you say that that would be—

No, God is never appeased, and the proof that God is never appeased by animal sacrifice is that those who could not afford an animal brought grain.

Sure.

So God is not appeased by the burning of an animal.

Why—

yeah, go on.

I was just curious, like when Noah comes out of the flood and he burns the pigeon as a sweet-smelling aroma to the Lord, What would you take that as?

As the— as exactly what it was in Noah's eyes. In the ancient world, it was believed that the gods smelled things. But the phrase was kept, but the literalness was never. God doesn't go, ah, what a great aroma, my day is made.

Okay, so then as a matter of Precedents for now, would it be morally permissible to burn a pigeon as a sweet-smelling aroma to God?

If the animal were killed in a, in a, in a, in as painless and swift a manner as possible, and one sincerely was trying to emulate the laws of the Bible in expiating sin and becoming a better human, and in fact it worked, I cannot say to you that I think that that is any less noble than just eating the pigeon. But, uh, in fact, you can't do it because you have to have a restoration of the temple to do that. So you would have no religious basis on which to do it.

So, but if the temple were rebuilt and then, uh, people were wanting to reinstitute sacrifice, that would be permissible in your mind?

Yes, it would be permissible, but I can't say to you in any honesty that I'm looking forward to it happening. That may sound sacrilegious to some, but I, I can't say that I can't wait to re-sacrifice animals. I, I, uh, many, many great religious thinkers within Judaism had already said that its time had passed, like Maimonides. All right, thank you though, very good series of questions. Let's go to DJ in Alexandria, Virginia. Hello, DJ, Dennis Prager.

Hi, I just have one question. Um, I want to know what your position on, um, uh, bullfighting is, and I'll, I'll just take your answer off the air.

All right, thank you for asking. I attended one bullfight in my life in Madrid, uh, in Madrid, Spain, and the— I did not enjoy myself. I found it fascinating. I am totally open to different cultures having their different sports, their different events, but that is a case of killing an animal gratuitously for sport. That's all it is. It is a sport. I wouldn't mind the bullfight if the bull were not killed at the end. That's, you know, if the bullfighter simply had to survive X number of minutes and he was considered victorious, you know, that would be fine by me. But I saw it and I can't say I had a great feeling. And I try to be open to different cultures on cultural matters. I am not open to different cultures on moral matters. And, you know, I have no doubt that a lot of kind people just got used to bullfighting. I don't think that it made everybody who watched it a worse human being. But I did not feel uplifted by it. Or even more importantly, I did not feel neutral toward it when I saw it. And that's the reason I went, by the way, because I didn't want to judge it till I actually saw it. All righty, to some more calls here. And, uh, Bellevue, uh, Nebraska, or is that correct?

Yes, that's correct.

Dan. Hi, Dan. Dennis Prager. Are you in the, uh— where is that, near Omaha?

It is near Omaha, and I'm actually driving right next to that mall that, uh, was attacked, if that was— oh wow, it's right here to my right. I'm sitting at a stoplight, actually.

Wow.

But I wonder if I could, instead of making my original comment, make a comment on a couple of things that your caller said.

All right, well, hold on in any event, and then talk to— I'll get back to you, but bounce it off Eva, because I'm taking you because of the original one. 1-800-PRAGER-776, Ultimate Issues Hour, and the ultimate issue Is animals, how should we regard them? You're listening to The Dennis Prager Show, 1-800-PRAGER-776.

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Dennis.

Yes, sir.

Um, well, uh, I can barely even remember what I was gonna say, so I'll just go back to my original question.

Good. Yeah, it was about your cat.

Yes, yes. Uh, actually, yeah, 2 minutes before I sat down to listen to your show, I was actually— I, I I leaned over to smell my cat because I thought that I'd smelled something, and she turned over and attacked my— and she just attacked my face. And I was just— oh, it got me thinking about the very issue that you're thinking of. How should we— how accountable should the animals be for their actions? I mean, you know, uh, better than I do, in the Old Testament, if an animal were to kick a human and kill it, the animal must be put to death. And they were also included in the flood.

Right, but not because they're accountable. That's— you're right about describing what happened, but that's not the reason. The animal that killed a human, it's not so much that it's not morally accountable, it's that the biblical view, which I share, is that you can't take a human life and stay alive. It doesn't matter what you are. And I'll never forget, I actually visited a farm once where somebody showed me— I don't remember what animal. Could it be an ostrich? I don't know if an ostrich can kill a human, but maybe it can.

Oh yes, it can.

Okay, then fine, it was an ostrich. And somebody said, oh, you see that ostrich there? That killed that guy there. That killed his father. And I thought, well then, why is it still living? Isn't it an insult to the father's life that the ostrich that kills him is still walking around? Not because the ostrich deserves to die, in that it's morally culpable. Of course, the ostrich doesn't know good from evil. But there is something cheapening of a person's homicide by keeping that which killed it alive. Anyway, that's the reason, not because the animal— oh, that's a bad ox, as opposed over there, there's a saintly ox. That, that sort of— that, that doesn't exist. And the animals were killed in, in the flood story, uh, because if there were no humans, animals have no real reason for living. I know this drives people crazy to hear who believe that nature is important on its own without humans. I am not among those who believe that. Okay?

Yes.

So now, okay, now with regard to your cat, the issue was not accountability. With regards to, to, uh, Dan's cat, the issue is training the cat. You can't attack your owner or attack any other humans unless you're a watch cat, and they don't have those things to the best of my knowledge. So we train dogs, and we should, but they're not morally accountable. They are behaviorally accountable. Get the difference? There is a difference. And let's go to, uh, Let's go to some more calls. Is it Lourdes or Lourdes in Cherry Hill, New Jersey?

Um, Lourdes. Lourdes, Dennis.

All right, I got it right on one of the guesses. Lourdes, thank you for calling.

Yes, thank you, Dennis. I love your show. I'm one of those persons that have become more conservative by listening to you and your clarity, and I appreciate everything I've learned from you.

Thank you.

On this, I agree with you that it would be nice to have, you know, a cow live its way or a chicken and then have to kill it and eat it. But that's not the way in this country we do things now. In order to produce cheap meat and chicken and—

Poultry.

For everybody, there is a creation of this factory farming in which these animals, the pigs, the chickens, the ducks, you know, are all tortured and produced, and they're tortured during their life.

Well, I don't know that they're all tortured, but I don't like the way in which animals are raised often. I know I haven't eaten veal in 30 years. I agree with you, and a humane society must look into that without becoming necessarily vegetarian.

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You're listening to The Dennis Prager Show. The Ultimate Issues Hour, and it is about the issue of animals and how we should regard it. And I thank Lourdes for her call. And it is a problem, and I think that moral people have to think about the, the issue of how we raise animals. Absolutely. See, I'm stuck here in the middle, which, which satisfies, I guess, few people. We do have moral obligations to animals. But we know we're not obligated not to use them or not to eat them. That's— you see, animal life in and of itself is not significant. I'm sorry, I know this drives people nuts to hear who place great importance on animals living their lives. No, I place great importance on human life and great importance on how we treat animal life, but not the very existence of animal life. They don't think their existence is important. This anthropomorphizing of animals is a great example of how dumb the secular age in which we live is. I mean, there are many silly beliefs that religious people may have, or certainly irrational ones. I acknowledge that, and I'm religious. But, but they're about religion. About society and life, the silliest beliefs belong to the secular. Like, uh, like, uh, the, uh, like, like we're destroying the planet because we emit carbon dioxide. Oh God, I won't, I won't go there. It's not the subject of this particular hour, which is about our attitude to animals. But I, but on the other hand, we do have obligations to animals. And the way in which we breed animals for eating them is an issue to me. It is an issue. And the prices would rise, I fully acknowledge, prices would rise if we allowed free-roaming chickens, for example. I agree. So we have to figure out what really makes animals suffer and what doesn't. Alrighty, 1-800-PRAGER-776. And let's go to Greeley, Colorado. Matthew. Hello, Matthew. Dennis Prager, thank you for calling.

Dennis, thanks for, uh, this segment.

It's one of my favorites, uh, to listen to. Good, I'm glad. Thank you.

Um, I just wanted to make an observation and see what, uh, what your take on it was. Um, I really see the depreciation of the value of human life and the elevation of animal worth, I guess you could say, Um, directly correlated to the rise of Darwinian evolution from the 1850s. Um, I mean, since that time, I think you really had humanity unmooring itself from the morality that comes, um—

Well, wait, wait, wait. Unmooring from morality is different from— it's not, it's not distinct from, but it's not— it's a separate issue to the question of the, the Devaluing of— well, I guess they're related— devaluing of human life. Well, but you're right, but you're right, your essential point is right. Look, uh, it really isn't so much Darwin though that's a factor. If, folks, if we're just another animal, then we're not that important. Yes, I mean, you know, Matthew makes the obvious, and I'm not belittling his point, but it's obvious and people don't want to see the obvious. Of course. If there is no God and there's no divine image in which we are created, and we are created only in the image of another animal, and we just evolved this way, and gorillas evolved that way, and so on, then of course we're not worth that much. Obviously. You can't hold a position and then deny its consequences. You're fooling yourself. Maybe you're right. I cannot prove there is a God. I cannot. Maybe you are right and we are purely animal, 100% animal, created in the image of nothing divine, zero. But at least I want you to be honest enough to acknowledge the consequences of that, that we are no more valuable than any other animal. So yes, that is a very big deal. Exactly right. Stephenville, Texas, and Cindy. Hello, Cindy. Dennis Prager.

Hello, Dennis. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to tell you that I'm the lady who once described your show as a ripe, juicy peach that I could sink my teeth into, as opposed to the dry crackers of other shows.

Yeah, I do recall that, and I thank you again.

Well, thank you. My point was— and I have a horror story about PETA sometime if you'd like to hear it— but my point is, I am a Christian. I was an atheist, became a Christian. I do eat meat. I do support a humane farming association. For the raising of animals. But the point that I want to make is, um, I know that God is omnipotent in past, present, and future. And before I sit down and eat a meal that contains any kind of meat, I do pray that God will backdate the prayer and see to it that the animal was killed swiftly and without pain. And in the case of hamburger animals, and I just I feel that it is drawing a balance between the fact that God said that we could eat meat, and I don't think we should be higher-minded than God and say that we shouldn't, but also takes into account the possible suffering of an animal.

Well, you and I are really, really on the same page on this. That's exactly right. In fact, I have advocated— I know this is impossible, but I have actually advocated That on every, uh, uh, uh, every one of the cellophaned meats that you buy at your supermarket, there be a picture of the animal that you're eating. The actual animal. You are eating me. That's all. And then you should still eat it. That's fine with me. But I, I, I, at least I want us to be aware, as, as Cindy is, Through her, her invocation of a prayer that it is in fact an animal that we are eating. People do forget that, and it's not— and that, that's not good for us. There is something involved when we, when we kill an animal, and that is why, by the way, the sacrificial system was very powerful. It made the taking of an animal life a very, very serious act, not one to be done cavalierly. So rather than heap abuse on it, I actually believe it was a major moral improvement. We continue, final segment coming up on this Ultimate Issues Hour on The Dennis Prager Show.

Hey Dennis, it's Marty Pollack, voice from the past, Kenny's dad. Do you remember I coached David, your son, back in the old days? He could speedball. Dennis, you know, you're in our prayers, the entire Jewish community. I just want you to know that when it comes to Ashmore Nakhemia Ben Hinda, I have you in mind for every Refah Einu. You've been an inspiration to the community and certainly a kiddush Hashem for the Jewish community. I wish you a refuah shleima, a new year And I wish only health and best of everything. And certainly, if there is anything about happiness that you know, even during a time of distress, you'd be the one to be the ambassador for that, going through what you're going through right now. All the best. And always remember, you used to be also a YIC member and part of my AK baseball team. Long, long time ago. All the best.

Take care.

Shabbat Shalom. Good health to you.

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Dennis Prager here. Hi everybody, the Ultimate Issues Hour. And, uh, let me summarize some of your calls that are up here. Laura in Fort Worth says, wants to know my thoughts on hunting. We had a very interesting, uh, hunting show recently. And I, I, well, I, it's not something that, uh, I do. I don't reproach those who do, providing they eat the animal. And apparently they do play some role in keeping certain species at levels that can be sustained in various environments. Uh, let's see. And, uh, Well, all right, let's see. Here's another one. Let's take this one in San Antonio. Uh, let's go to, uh, Cletus in San Antonio, Texas. Hi, Cletus. Dennis Prager.

Good afternoon, Dennis. Uh, I've got maybe a different perspective. I've got a pasture full of fat and happy grass-fed free-range cattle, not for a moral reason, but because the market for organic beef is up. But I can I can assure people of this, if you were going to give a person's traits to cattle, they would not want to be skipping through the pastures. They would rather be sitting on the couch eating bonbons. So my cattle would happily, longingly look over the fence at the cattle in the feedlots rather than having to walk around all day eating grass.

Well, anyway, when we talk about free-range, it's chickens anyway. That's a different take. I thank you for it. Uh, let's see here. Uh, Denise in Beaumont, California says, many animals are more loyal than humans. Why shouldn't people grieve when their pet dies? A member of the family too. Okay, well, I didn't say people shouldn't grieve, uh, Denise. And I'm only not taking you because we have only a few seconds. I'm sorry. Of course people should grieve when their pet dies. It's abnormal not to because you loved it and it's a good chance it loved you. So it's a non-issue. All I'm saying is it's an incomparably smaller loss than the loss of a human in your family. Or a loss of a human friend. And if it isn't, I pity you. And I don't say that with recrimination. I pity anybody who does not have a deeper attachment to any human than to an animal. And others have called in to say that, as indeed they are right to. All right, it's been the Ultimate Issues Hour on The Dennis Prager Show from Washington, From Washington, D.C., this is Dennis. Thank you for listening. See you tomorrow.

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So I want to play for you, uh, what took place just, uh, recently on the Hannity Show, and when I was in New York on his program. And he doesn't talk about these matters, it's all politics generally, but it came about because of some talk during intermission, and I mentioned a book that I was writing. And then he went on air, Hannity, with me and said the following. Dennis Prager's working on a book, and we were talking about this during the, the break. Working title is Your Husband Is Not a Pervert: An Explanation of Men and Their Sexual Nature. And I suggested you and Norton, considering this is about— go on the road together. Well, what is the premise of the book? Well, I've done this on my radio show for years now, talked about male sexual nature. I put out CDs on it. Women have come over to me at lectures around the country, and this is the God's honest truth, and said, you saved my marriage. I now understand my husband. I thought he was a pervert. I thought he was a nut. I thought he was sick, or whatever. Male sexual nature is so different from female sexual nature, and men are so afraid to tell their wives what it's really about because they'll think they're sick. Men shut up about it. And then when women wonder, why is my husband so quiet? One answer is that he's afraid to tell you about what he really feels and thinks in an arena of great importance. I'm going to stay out of topics that I know little or nothing about. I know, I know my, my limits. Do you agree with this? I am—

I'll wait for the book to come out before I comment.

All right.

Now, that's not what you said during the break, but I, I will let you off the hook if If you demand it, but that's not what you said during the break. All right, now that's important. That was another panelist, and she did say during the break, boy, is that true. That's— I've known men, and she— these were famous men, so of course she didn't want to say it on air, and I understand that. But she knew men, and that's exactly what she thought about them.

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