Rush to Equivocation

Dennis Prager here. Thanks for listening to the Daily Dennis Prager Podcast. To hear the entire 3 hours of my radio show commercial-free every single day, become a member of Prager Utopia. You'll also get access to 15 years' worth of archives as well as the daily show prep. Subscribe at pragerutopia.com. Hi there, everybody. Welcome to the Dennis Prager Show. You wonder, you should wonder if you don't wonder actually, at what point do universities lose their credibility? At what point does the media lose its credibility? There has to be a breaking point for most people. This should offer one example. The headlines in the Los Angeles Times and New York Times, I have the physical papers in front of me, we subscribe here. It's painful, but we do. So the New York Times is: US backs Israel as cause of blast remains disputed. Hmm, remains disputed. The evidence is rather overwhelming that Israel did not send a missile at a hospital. The evidence is overwhelming that it was in fact an Islamic terrorist organization whose rocket did not detonate properly. Los Angeles Times. Dual— this is the front page, both cases. Dueling narratives fan conflict. Finger-pointing ire, as in anger, after Gaza hospital blast highlight risk of wider, wider war. Well, here's a dueling narrative that the New York Times reported. In the 1930s. Dueling narrative. The Soviet Union is starving millions of Ukrainians to death deliberately. Ukrainians say they are, and Stalin says they're not, right? Is that a dueling narrative in the 1930s, 1932 or '33? By the way, you gotta think, in the many single years that were particularly awful in the 20th century, that was one of them. Hitler and the Nazis elected in Germany, or at least gained power, and the Ukrainian famine, Holodomor as they call it, their version of the Holocaust. If you read Red Famine, you understand what the Soviets did. You understand that starving to death is a form of torture. Starvation is torture. Waterboarding is terror. Starvation is torture. Dueling narratives. So you have a free society with various battles among its citizens and its news media, and you have a totalitarian state. If you deviate, we kill you, probably torture you first. There is no freedom of speech in Gaza. There is no freedom of press in Gaza. There is no freedom of assembly in Gaza. There's no freedom for any other religion other than Islam in Gaza. But dueling narratives. Well, I gotta keep these headlines, you know. They're really— I think I will. I'm gonna keep the physical paper. And the New York Times is subtle, more subtle than the LA Times. 'US backs Israel as cause of blast remains disputed.' So in other words, the United States is not backing Israel because what Israel claims is true. The United States is backing Israel because Israel is our ally, and the lowlifes known as Hamas, the Nazis of our day, Well, we don't back them. So did we just pledge $100 million to them? Is that correct? What is that?

Palestinian aid.

I know. Well, where is it going to Palestinian aid? Hamas. That's what I said. Yeah.

I mean, that's not how they're phrasing it.

That's not how they're phrasing it. Well, if Hamas is not Palestinian, you are. Oh, maybe it's going to you.

100 million?

Yeah, no, no, I also— not only 100 million would help the Estrin home, and you are— you have deeper roots in Palestine than they do. Yours goes back 2,000 years, 3,000 years. By the way, in your case, it really is true because you are a descendant of Aaron. That's genetically provable because you're, you're a kohen, you're a priest in English terms in the Jewish religion. So this is, this is our media at this time. Ami Horowitz. Ami Horowitz apparently went— I didn't get to see it, but we're going to have him on. So where did he go? To the the village, Greenwich Village? I think so, yeah. And in Manhattan, and he asked people if they support Hamas? Well, what was the actual question? Because it's hard to believe, even for me, I do find that a bit hard to believe that people would acknowledge, that people do it. I mean, that people, it's, of course it has nothing to do with Hamas. It has to do with, if you support Israel For the left that is supporting colonialism and apartheid and whites versus blacks and rich versus poor and strong versus weak, the left doesn't ask who is right, they ask who is white. Which is ironic because most Israelis or half of Israel is not white. They're as white as the as the average Palestinian, if you will. They're indistinguishable racially from most Palestinians. Who is this latest one? Are you with the New York Times? Yes. 65 police injured in Berlin as pro-Palestinian activists riot, set fires during banned protests. Well, You know my phrase, Germany is always wrong since Bismarck. A lot of individual fine, fine Germans, but Germany is always wrong is a fair guide to modern history. Angela Merkel led the crusade to enable millions of people from the Middle East, most of whom share none of the average German's or average European's values. Into Europe. And the— I was alone, pretty lonely voice, uh, in, uh, in the West. I mean, there were voices like mine, clearly. I was not alone, but lonely, because you sounded like you were mean-spirited if you said what I said. They're bringing in, for the most part, alien values to Western civilization, among them hatred of Jews. I mean, genocidal hatred of Jews. And I can't say that Angela Merkel was a regular listener to my show. She should have been. So now, here are the consequences. You know my Guideline, one of my guidelines, I have many. The moment you ask, what is the price, you become someone who has left the left. The left does not ask because they're children. Among the many awful virtues of leftists is that they are immature. This doesn't bother them because they never think in terms of maturity. But it's a fact. When you don't ask what is the price, you do what feels good at the moment. That is what children do. It feels good. The candy bar feels good at the moment. It felt good to bring in all of these people. I am virtuous. That's what's called virtue signaling. By the way, the signaling is not just to others, it is to oneself. People like to feel good about themselves, and nobody has mastered that art greater than people on the left. That's why they developed the self-esteem movement, because they are into self-esteem for themselves. Chaos in Berlin: 65 police officers injured as pro-Palestine activists riot and set fires during banned protests. Now, why are they setting fire to parts of the country that extended a staggering goodness to them by letting them in? Because, like the left, they're ingrates. That's why. We'll be back. Gold dealers are a dime a dozen. They're everywhere. What sets these companies apart, and whom can you really trust? This is Dennis Prager for AmFed Coin and Bullion, my choice for buying precious metals. When you buy precious metals, it's imperative that you buy from a trustworthy and transparent dealer that protects your best interests. 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Let's see, so some Jewish homes in Berlin had a Jewish star painted on their door, just as in the Nazi era, the Jew lives here. The ability of people to deny evil is almost infinite. The pro-Palestinian crowd supports evil. Does it make them evil? God will judge. It doesn't matter. They support evil. Many of them are evil. Protests were held throughout Germany following the explosion at a hospital in Gaza. You can thank the Western media in large measure for this, because they took the Palestinian— they took the Gaza— they took the Hamas report immediately, because Hamas is known as dedicated to truth, al-haqiqah, the truth in Arabic, which international media initially blamed on Israel without evidence. Evidence, schmevidence. Hamas said it. Why isn't that enough? In the Berlin borough of Neukölln, or Neukölln, hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists gathered despite the city's ban on anti-Israel protests. The demonstrations devolved. Isn't it? I mean, when you think about it, how ironic. How really sad this is. 80 years after Auschwitz, you have anti-Jewish riots in Berlin. Yeah, it's really something. On Wednesday, protests were held throughout Germany. In the Berlin borough, hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists gathered. The demonstration devolved into violence and rioting. That's right. We believe Hamas about Israel. We want to destroy Israel. Therefore, we will burn parts of Berlin. Get it? Isn't the logic impeccable? Isn't the moral logic impeccable? The West does not understand. The vast majority of people living in the West do not understand that antisemitism is the first blow against them. They don't. They didn't understand it with Hitler. Hitler was dismissed as the Jews' problem. Hamas is dismissed as the Jews' problem. Well, let's see, how many people died in World War II in large measure because Hitler and the Nazis were dismissed as the Jews' problem. There were 100 million. Does the 100 million include the Pacific theater?

Yeah, I'm not sure.

Yeah, no, it is, it is. I believe it is accurate. Anyway, take a look how many people, how many civilians died during World War II, and how— and break it up into Europe and, and the Pacific theater. Maybe 100 million includes the victims of communism directly. So I want to give you the accurate number. Let's put it this way. If non-Jews, who constitute the vast majority of the Western world, understood Jew hatred, then they would save their own lives. Dismissing Jew hatred as the Jews' problem is stupid, really stupid.

The total death is generally regarded between 75 and 85 million.

The total death in World War II? Yeah, 75 and 80 million. 70 to 85 billion, right? So we have to figure out though what is attributable to Stalin alone to come up with the Hitler-induced deaths, but it's tens of millions of non-Jews in addition, obviously, to the Holocaust. Yeah, that's what they did. So when a handful of people said, you know, importing these people from the Middle East may be injurious to our civilization, they were called racists. And Islamophobes by the— you fill in the word now— by the dash left. Mm, okay, I gave you time. The answer is the word entire. The entire left dismissed anyone who said maybe these people are bringing despicable, hateful genocidal, murderous values into Europe as Islamophobic. Isn't that funny? Islamophobic. The left is always wrong in a way that makes Germany look angelic. The left ruins everything. This is an example. These are not indigenous Germans, if you will, since the left loves the word indigenous. These are people who came in from the Middle East. These are overwhelmingly Muslims. Not all Muslims, but overwhelmingly Muslims. The demonstration devolved into violence and rioting, with local police reporting that the demonstrators attacked officers with stones, bottles, and makeshift pyrotechnic missiles. According to the Berlin police, 174 people were arrested at the banned protest, and 65 police officers were injured during the rioting that lasted until the early hours of Thursday. So you could thank the whole left for bringing these people in and the left-wing media for promoting a lie.

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It will not ever be able to be said if the United States does decline from within, it will never be able to be said that books telling the truth about what is happening at the time, what happened at the time if you will, were not published. And I am happy to bring to you— well, happy is actually not fully true. I wish the book didn't have to be written. But one of the greatest crusaders for free speech in the country, Greg Lukianoff, and his co-author Ricky Schlott, have written the book The Canceling of the American Mind. Cancel culture undermines trust and threatens us all, but there is a solution. I have Greg Lukianoff on the line. He is the head of FIRE. FIRE is the foundation for individual rights. And as it says here correctly, one of the country's most passionate defenders of free expression. So Greg, I'm curious, do you think— well, I'll put it in a different way. What is the most recent time in your life that you would have Dennis Prager thought, what, why would I write a book about cancel culture? Because it seems to have invaded us rapidly. Is that correct?

Well, I mean, a part of our definition is that something strange got much worse around 2014. So we're trying to give a historical explanation of cancel culture. And we talk about the uptick in campaigns to get people fired that was really noticeable in 2014 and went off the rails in 2017 and 2020, sort of a private policing of speech that got incredibly intense, and nonetheless, people— there are still people out there trying to claim it isn't even real, which is, of course, with the book, uh, shows how you don't have to listen to those people anymore. And if you have— and by the way, if you have cousins, friends, etc., um, who actually tried to argue to you that cancel culture is a hoax or not real, um, this book makes a perfect stocking stuffer.

Yes, a happy stocking stuffer, I might add. So my theory, and I tell every guest I have, it is not only permissible, it is welcome to differ with me. I want to hone my own thinking. My take is, because my field of study at the Russian Institute of Columbia was communism, I learned Russian to read Pravda, I went to communist countries regularly, and so I started a lifetime study of the left. I don't know of an instance where the left— and I, every day I distinguish between left and liberal. Liberals do welcome free speech, leftists do not. But wherever the left takes over a university or a country, it stifles free speech. Is that a fair statement?

Historically, I can't speak to all the history, but certainly that's what happened on campus. Um, the— I talk about the free speech movement of 1964, immediately followed by the anti-free speech movement of 1965, started by Herbert Marcuse, you know, someone who gets treated like he's this great intellectual hero. He was considered the new guru of the left. He was a Marxist, and his argument wasn't more sophisticated than good people like me should have free speech. But, and he literally, like, I forgot that he literally just calls out so-called conservatives and so-called right regressives as people who shouldn't have free speech rights, because if we want to be truly free, the language that only a totalitarian could find themselves saying, we need greater government power to suppress the regressive voices out there. And this was written in 1965. There were people who really thought it was true. Thankfully, the liberal left was better on freedom of speech, and this, by the time Marcuse died, this was considered kind of like a fringy thing. But in a very real sense, and we make the point in the book, his philosophy has won on campus, and it's It's very dangerous for everyone, really. It's one of the points we're trying to make. Because even if you think you will never be canceled by cancel culture or have any risk of being canceled, cancel culture destroys the production of ideas on campus. Because if you can't disagree, if you can't actually, you know, engage in thought experimentation, devil's advocacy, all of these things, you're gonna not produce very convincing ideas, and you're just gonna go along to get along.

What is the percentage, according to Pew, who— of young people in America who say, I believe in free speech but not for hate speech? Is it 45%? Are you familiar with that poll?

Uh, there's a lot of polls on that, and particularly for younger people, particularly for left-leaning younger people, it's bad.

Um, all right, hold it there, hold it there, because I want to promote your book. Will you allow me?

Absolutely, I would love to.

I know, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. The Canceling of the American Mind. By a man who's devoted his life to free speech, Greg Lukianoff, and Rikki Schlott. I want to announce the co-author as well. The book is up at DennisPrager.com, The Canceling of the American Mind.

The Dennis Prager Show.

Hi, I have Greg Lukianoff back. He actually thought I ended the interview. He had— he explained to me off the air, he's so— he's so in the world of podcasts, he forgot that there's commercial radio. Yes, we have a lot of listeners, in fact.

Hi everybody.

Well, I was saying while you were off the air, but you heard some of it, uh, that I am an example of exactly what you wrote on page 87, how COVID cancel culture undermined faith and expertise. Yes, I don't know when it will recover, but why don't you expound on that for a moment?

Sure, and I can actually do it by a different example. Carol Hooven, you know, at Harvard, she got forced out of her job after a campaign led by a DEI administrator, but then also, you know, students that they like, you know, collaborating along, because she went on Fox News to explain that biological sex is real. She said it, by the way, in a very compassionate way. She said we should be nice to trans people. She even said they should people should use their pronouns, which of course as a First Amendment lawyer, I'm like, well, you can't force people to do that. But nonetheless, she was still targeted. And she actually left because she got suicidally depressed. Like, and here's what I have to say about kind of like how this destroys faith in expertise. The public isn't stupid. And if suddenly every other expert starts saying, oh, by the way, biological sex isn't real, you immediately go to, but wait a second, the last person who said that it is real, which we all know it is real, the got canceled. So I can't trust your opinion on any of this stuff. And, and it's amazing, back to COVID, it was like the lab leak theory. Um, the fact that people in April of 2020, when someone proposed the lab leak theory, even earlier, immediately jumped on that person and tried to get them canceled for saying that, uh, was one of those things where it destroyed trust and expertise. Because everyone knew we hadn't done an investigation of China, we haven't been let into the lab, there— nobody knows this for sure. But Well, definitely one thing I know is you on Twitter, or you at the university, does not know this either, but you're acting like you're dead certain that it can't possibly be a lab leak. That, that by itself destroys credibility. Then when the people end up being right, like Jennifer Say, who got canceled at Levi Jeans for saying that shutting down schools was going to be devastating for kids, particularly for underprivileged kids, she's now proven that now her opinion is considered, you know, like the everyone agrees on that, but she's not uncanceled. People, people don't even remember why they didn't like her in the first place. So I think we've destroyed faith and expertise, faith in institutions, because of— largely because of cancel culture.

The book is really important, The Canceling of the American Mind. So I'll have to, uh, I'll, I'll have to forgive you I'd have you on again because the book is simply too important. And remember, we do have commercial breaks on radio. We should now tell all our guests, I realize, in advance. All right, thank you. It's a great book. It's up at DennisPrager.com, The Canceling of the American Mind. Thank you.

Take care.

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On the topic, I mean, in terms of your sort of strategy currently, you're obviously taking the pop populist pathway.

What does that mean?

Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess. I mean, certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently. Like what? Left-wing, you know, this and that, right-wing, you know, I mean, it's that type of ideological stuff.

I never read talk about left-wing.

Anyway, it's a lot of people would say that you're simply taking a page out of the Donald Trump playbook.

Like which people would say that?

Well, I'm sure a great many Canadians, but like who?

I don't know who, but you're the one who asked the question, so you must know somebody.

Okay, I'm sure there's some out there, but anyways, the point of this question is I mean, why should Canadians trust you with their vote, given, you know, not just the sort of ideological inclination in terms of taking the page out of Donald Trump's book, but also—

What page? What page do you mean? Give me the page.

You keep saying it. In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and all of this. I mean, you make quite a, you know, It's quite a play that you make on it. So I'm just wondering. I don't know what you're—

Okay.

I hope you heard that. It was priceless. While he's eating an apple. He's a good-looking guy. I hope he becomes Emperor of Canada. By the way, had it been a woman and I'd have said, he's a good-looking woman. There's no question that the left would have spoken of my sexism, but if I describe a guy as a good-looking guy, that's fine. Everything about the left is despicable. Everything. That reporter was despicable. Well, you take a page out of Donald Trump's book. Okay, what page? People say you're like Donald Trump. What people? Because he describes Justin Trudeau as left-wing, that's a page out of Donald Trump's book? And he— see, here's the amazing thing, there is no self-awareness on the left. You, the conservative candidate for prime minister of Canada, you appeal to people's emotions, right? That was what he defined as populism. I don't, right? When I say you sound like Donald Trump, I'm not speaking emotionally. The superficiality, the intellectual superficiality of all those on the left. Is often unremarked, goes unremarked, because people understand that they are amoral and often immoral, but they don't realize the intellectual shallowness that permeates the left. I did when I was at Columbia. My professors at the Middle East Institute— I was at two institutes, Russian and Middle East And my professors were knowledgeable and often nice people, but the shallowness of their understanding of the Middle East blew my mind. And I was 21 years old, 22 years old, 23 years old. You really think the Middle East dispute is about land? You have devoted your life to studying Arabic and studying the Arab nations of the Middle East. And you think that the Arab-Israeli dispute— it was not known then as Palestinian-Israeli, that came later— the Arab-Israeli dispute is about land, not about religion? You're an ignorant teacher. I knew it then. They, the left, thinks that others think like they do. They're secular, so they assume that the Middle East is secular. Or the dispute is secular. It's an intellectually vapid world, the world of the left. The Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and, uh, to name two of their heroes of the black issue. You know what is interesting? Everybody listening, even if you're not conservative, knows of left— of right-wing intellectuals. Name a left-wing intellectual who is considered particularly intelligent, like let's say Jordan Peterson on the right. Name one. No, no, I'm not kidding. Can you name one? If you're asking me, it's different than if you ask— ask a leftist. Imagine you're a leftist. This is not a challenge. It's— I am curious. Who is their Jordan Peterson? Who is their Victor Davis Hanson?

Okay, two of the people you just mentioned.

Okay, Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi. Okay, Cornel West. Well, all right, so you're naming three. So they're all the leading intellectuals are Black? Or maybe it may well be. I'm just curious. But they're all known for their stances. Jordan Peterson and, I mean, if you named the best-known conservative intellectuals, okay, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Victor Davis Hanson, I guess I would be included there, Larry Elder. I mean, there are so many, I'm just naming a handful. We talk about every issue. Ibram X. Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates are one idea. America's racist. That's the only idea. Okay, it's the only idea. No, no. Okay. I don't want to get bogged down. I want to know who has the stature of intellectual thought on the left that the names I gave have on the right, not to mention Tom Sowell. Name me a left-wing Tom Sowell, a left-wing Jordan Peterson, etc. Go through the list. I don't know. In any event, it's an intellectually shallow world. That reporter was a nincompoop. A mink and poop. He was indistinguishable from an artificial intelligence. See, you could have had an artificial intelligence robot ask those questions. Well, you took a page out of Donald Trump's book. You're a populist like Donald Trump. That artificial intelligence could come up with. The responses of the conservative were human. Really? What page did I take out? Really? Who are the people who are saying that, since you're saying people are saying that? To call Justin Trudeau a left-winger is populist? He's not a left-winger? The man who profoundly admires Fidel Castro? The man who was prepared to order banks to shut down the accounts of striking truckers who refused to be forced to take an ineffective vaccine, a dangerous vaccine. Oh, he's not a left-winger? Yesterday I was on Meghan Kelly, Washington Examiner, had a nice featured article on the appearance and noted that I said that the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, which was founded to fight anti-Semitism, has probably increased anti-Semitism more than it has decreased it. The ADL is just another left-wing group. And here's a little interesting proof. It's from the ADL. Listen to the headline. Fringe left groups express support for Hamas's invasion and brutal attacks in Israel. They're so left-wing at the ADL that they have to confront an issue. You'll find this insight interesting. What are they? What is, what is a left-wing organization like the ADL What, what is it going to do with the fact that so many leftist organizations support the annihilation of the Jews of Israel? Because it's a Jewish group, supposedly, the ADL. So they have a cognitive dissonance. The left is despicable. They're on the left. So what, what do they do? Ah, they've come up with the word fringe. So I looked up, okay, look, there's such a thing. Maybe there's some cuckoo cockeyed group I never heard of on the left. And they're the only ones supporting Hamas. So you read it from the ADL, which is a destructive organization, unfortunately. It actually hurts Jews more than it helps them. And so listen to this. Some fringe left groups. Oh my God. Not even all fringe left groups. Can the ADL name one fringe left group that is pro-Israel? The whole report is dishonest. Some fringe left groups are aligning with anti-Zionist organizations in the wake of Hamas's attack on Israel. That's an anodyne way of describing it. Attack on Israel. The wiping out of Jews. By expressing support for Hamas's atrocities. Okay, that's a good word. In the name of resistance and liberation, quote unquote. The Party for Socialism and Liberation. I admit that's probably a fringe group. The World Workers Party. Sounds like just a communist group. But now listen. Chapters of the Democratic Socialists for America. Democratic Socialists for America is a fringe left group? Isn't it mainstream left group? Is AOC in it? No kidding. Here's another fringe left group. Chapter— independent chapters of Black Lives Matter. Notice they don't want to say Black Lives Matter, just independent chapters. Because for the ADL, the thought of attacking Black Lives Matter causes them to choke. This is such a giveaway, this piece there. But there are Jews who still believe the ADL helps them because most people don't think clearly. These groups are also helping to organize. I'm just curious, ADL, Independent chapters of Black Lives Matter. Okay, can you name an independent chapter of Black Lives Matter that's pro-Israel? Yeah, it bothers the ADL to even have to list Black Lives Matter, which is another despicable organization. By the way, the left loves the— loves that. It's not a fringe group. Black Lives Matter is mainstream left. I know because I am routinely attacked for attacking Black Lives Matter, like I'm attacking kind, fine, peace-loving, morality-loving, freedom-loving people. Okay, well, I just thought I would bring that to your attention. It is, it is an important thing. While we're talking about the Middle East, this is from the Stanford Review. Stanford students promote terrorism. Did you happen to see that one? I stayed awake late last night to read the reports of Israelis being ruthlessly murdered in Hamas's surprise attack on Israel. Soon after I woke up this morning, this is written by Julia Steinberg. A student at Stanford. Maybe you should have her on. Let's find out what's happening at Stanford, you know. Stanford Review, I assume, is the conservative publication at Stanford. Let's see here. I texted my father that I was not excited to be a Jew on Stanford's campus today. Let's have her on. This is the— these are important people to speak to. Even when typing these words, I had no idea what was coming this morning. Let's see, what's the date on this thing? 7 October, the bad day. This morning at Old Union, one of the most popular gathering places on campus, anonymous students hung up a banner stating, the Israeli occupation is nothing but an illusion of dust. I don't even understand that. Do you? It sounds like it's not real. It's an illusion of dust. Oh well. On Instagram, my classmates posted a photo of the banner in support. One even wrote, every martyr that fought today and in every moment against the occupation is so deep in my heart. May the freedom of Palestine be something we get to see in our lives with our own eyes. Also on Instagram, my classmates posted infographics declaring that, quote, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." My classmates asked their followers, "Do you support decolonization as an abstract academic theory or as a tangible event?" Decolonization. So Israel, by definition, is a colonial regime. If you deny that the pro-Palestinian groups and many Palestinians want Israel destroyed and see the Jews there murdered, you have decided to believe a lie, to tell yourself a lie. This is just another of the many, many examples of the uselessness of the conscience. People lie to themselves and then they sleep well at night. Back in a moment. And let's see, how are we doing with Ami Horowitz? Is it phone? Is it, uh, he's on the phone. I am with the Ami Horowitz, ladies and gentlemen. This is not merely Ami Horowitz, who puts out some of the most important videos available in our time. He asks people the questions they need to be asked and he videos it. He has gone around the world. He has actually crossed the Mediterranean with refugees from the Middle East going into Europe. It's, uh, his life is an adventure. Ami Horowitz alternates LA and New York. He's in New York right now, and he has a new video. Let's hear the beginning of the new video. Which you could hear at our website or at his, Amihorowitz.com. He asks folks in Manhattan about, well, you'll hear. Go ahead.

Does Hamas have the moral high ground here?

I feel like Hamas are just defending themselves.

An Amihorowitz digital show.

I'm Amihorowitz, and Hamas committed a brutal, vicious, unprovoked attack provoked attack against Israel where they indiscriminately killed women, children, and the elderly. The whole world understands the brutality of this attack, right? Well, I'm here in the East Village, woke capital of New York, to ask people on the left what they think. Their attack on Israel was justified?

Um, obviously just the cause and effect of oppression.

You understand why would do what Hamas would do, what they did?

Um, yeah, it's just as if, if we were bombed, if we were bombed, an American, you know, you want to, you want to retaliate. If you have someone, if you have families that are dying around you, obviously want revenge.

Does Hamas have the moral high ground here?

I feel like Hamas are just defending themselves from years and years of oppression and looking around, living through the rumbles, and I feel like it's just justified and they're traumatized.

Yeah, a lot of my friends kind of side with Israel, but I feel like there's more than one side to this.

I wouldn't say the attacks are fully unjustified. I'm on the side of Palestine.

The Israeli government has kind of been kind of brutalized the Palestinians, so I understand why they try and fight back.

Do you understand why Hamas would strike against Israel?

Yeah, obviously. I feel like to me it seems pretty obvious if you think about any, any other situation like this. I understand where they're coming from and I understand why they're doing what they're doing. I understand why Palestine struck back because it obviously sucks watching her.

Okay, we got the idea. So I'm going to go to Ami Horowitz. Ami, my first question. Which I often ask you, is you went out, so I'm gonna speak to some left-wing New Yorkers in the East Village. So did you pick them knowing they were left?

20 out of 30. 20, oh yes. So I picked, look, I chose East Village because East Village, like I said in the introduction, is kind of where the leftists reside in Manhattan. So the Upper West Side where I live is mostly liberals. But the East Village, also parts of Brooklyn, very leftist. So I self-selected the leftist. And, you know, you always say, Ami, did you cherry-pick? What are the numbers? So I actually put it in the video at the end. 28 out of 30 people that I spoke to justified the attacks on Israel by Hamas. 28 out of 30. And this was not even This was done a couple of days after the attack. So there wasn't even the excuse of Israel bombing Gaza that you see the liberal media starting to use as justification. But this was all you had with the naked brutality of Hamas to look at. And what this is, Dennis, essentially is the intersectional partnership at its most base. And its most despicable. This is the natural extension of what that intersectional partnership looks like when it comes to this.

It's interesting that the way they phrase all of this, like the guy who said there are two sides, it's so— it so betrays not thinking the issue through. There were two sides in World War II. There were two sides in the US Civil War. What does the statement "there were two sides" mean?

No, what he means to say is that, that there's a justice—

Oh no, I know what he means to say, but I know that. But there were people who could have said that in the Civil War. There's the side, the South has its arguments and the North has its arguments.

And like the Civil War, there were people who were evil who took the side of slavery.

Yes.

And in this case, as crazy as it sounds, there are people— not people in Amman or Istanbul or Riyadh—

but in Manhattan. We'll be back in a moment. You got to see the video. I'll tell you how when we come back. Hello, my friends. Dennis Prager here. My guest is laughing because I assume because you've heard that often but never in person, and it's amazing.

This is bucket list for me. I'm so excited to be here.

I'm very touched. Thank you. Her name is Alexandra Locke, and she has a story that I want to share with you. Because I'd like others to embark on the mission that she did. So I have been telling people who are afraid, and totally understandably afraid, of coming out as conservative because they're afraid what it will do to them, their name, their business, even be fired from their jobs So you run a business, a jewelry business, HRH, Her Royal Highness.

Yes, I do.

And when— well, I'll even precede that. Did— was it a debate within you whether to come out?

Oh, absolutely. I was afraid to lose more than 50% of my, my business if I did, because 50% probably wouldn't agree with me. And I built this entire business by myself from the ground up. So it was a huge risk. But I remember I was listening to you during COVID and you specifically said— it was during the lockdowns, actually— you said, right now, if you have a platform or a following of any kind, it's time to speak up, and you will be greatly rewarded. You said those exact words. And then I thought, I trust him so much, and I spoke to God And you were right. My business has grown so much since I came out, since I spoke out. And it's all because of your words.

Very. I'm very touched and I'm very happy. And when I said greatly rewarded, I meant in a human sense that God rewards goodness. I believe deeply, but it doesn't always happen in this world.

Yeah, you did say because it's the right thing to do.

Ah, okay.

So sorry I didn't add that.

Yeah, well, that's the number one. But also, there is a built-in reward. This I know I've said often because it's logical and therefore true. If you hide who you are, how will you meet kindred spirits? You, you are hiding from the left, totally understandably, but you're also hiding from the right.

Yeah, true. As a business owner, it's a big risk because you want business from both sides, right?

Of course, of course.

But when you said, for some reason, Dennis, when you said you'll be greatly rewarded, I took it in the right thing to do and a financial reward, and it was.

That's fascinating.

I know.

Well, so did you lose clients?

It didn't matter because I gained new ones.

No, I know, I'm just curious though, do you know of clients that you lost?

Yeah, I would get emails, I'm never buying from you again. You're crazy. You don't wear a mask. You don't believe in the lockdowns. You're irresponsible, this and that. But I don't— it didn't matter because other people purchased and supported.

No, that's clear. I just love to know what they're angry about. They were angry about the fact that you publicly didn't wear a mask, that I talked about it and I said, why don't you guys open your eyes?

And this is— wearing a mask doesn't do anything. Staying inside and being locked down is not going to do anything. You know, use your, use your brain. I mean, staying 6 feet apart is ridiculous. You're still gonna catch it if you catch it. You can't live life locked indoors. Like, our society will be destroyed if we do that. Oh, just think about it a little bit. And they were really, really pissed about that. Really, really mad. So mad.

So mad. It's unbelievable.

But it made me wanna, wanna talk more.

So here is the interesting thing You, you don't know the answer and I don't know the answer, but it is interesting now that we know the amount of destruction it has wreaked in the lives of children, these despicable lockdowns of schools. Do the people on the left still admire teachers unions? I'm so curious, is, is there any level of destruction the left can engage in that would have the average leftist rethink his or her position?

I don't think so. And I think they're getting worse with, you know, the trans thing inside, you know, in schools and, you know, the pushing the crazy LGBTQIA+ agenda in schools. I mean, they just won't stop at anything. So they just constantly want to destroy and they want to destroy because they want to control to be able to get your vote. That's what it all comes down to, to securing your vote.

What was the first thing you came out publicly with?

The lockdowns and the crazy masking.

So what did you say? I basically— And where was it? On what medium? On YouTube.

I have a YouTube channel called HRH Collection, and I'm a little bit— I'm crazy outspoken on there. I do rants, and my delivery is different than the normal conservative is. I kind of, you know, do— I yell a little bit, and I'm a little more eccentric on there, which catches people's people's attention. And I'm able to speak to people who normally are not reachable, you know, made a lot of left, a lot of gays. They— a lot of people have kind of woken up because of my rants, like they say, and my views, because I'm able to attract them with how I deal with my delivery, my unique delivery. It's really unique.

Not for everyone.

Now I really You might not like me, Dennis, after that.

It's a little crazy, but it does— it, you know, it touches a lot of people and it does change the amount.

And are you still doing it?

Yeah, of course, about everything.

What's your latest issue?

I talk about body positivity, I talk about trans, I talk about wokeness, I talk about just anything that kind of bothers me. The destructive— basically how the left destroys and wants to ruin your life. And wants you to be unhappy, and it's all because they want your vote. That's all it is.

They keep you down. It's, it's beyond that, in my opinion. The unhappy, often not all, don't like the happy.

They're jealous of it.

That's right. And they want you to— they want you to be one of them. And, and it works. Has anybody ever gone to the left— I don't mean liberal, left— and become happier?

No.

Or kinder?

No, I really don't think so.

It's almost impossible to imagine.

And I do, I have several people in my head who I'm thinking of that, and no, they're all more miserable for sure.

Is your whole extended family conservative?

They are, they are, yes.

Where are they from?

Um, Greece and the States.

And where in the States?

Orange County originally, born in LA.

Right, when Orange County was in fact reliably conservative.

I know, can you believe it?

It is hard.

They always say they are dying to become LA.

Oh, that— well, they literally dying.

They want to become LA so bad. Letting the homeless in. It's just the same crap. It's so sad.

Yes, that's a very good way of putting it. That's why I'm quiet.

Because LA is cool.

They're dying to become LA.

I know.

LA is cool.

They think LA is so cool. You know, we want to be like LA. That's what it is. And also it's a new generation and the parents are weak.

That's correct. So I had asked you, as I do everybody, male, female, are you married? You said you are. You said you're pregnant.

Yes.

And when do you— if I may ask, when is the due date?

May. So I'm still kind of early. We're at about 10 weeks.

How are you feeling, by the way?

First trimester, kind of sick.

Yes, exactly. I recall what I've done it for my own children. First trimester's rough.

It is.

Then it gets easy. Tempts you into thinking it'll be easy till the end, but it doesn't happen.

That's what I've heard.

Exactly. So how did you meet your present, well, not present, how did you meet your husband?

Yeah, my actual, so that's true. My husband, also a testament to you and your words, Dennis, seriously. I mean, you've been in my life for so long. You told us you should cast a big net by going on online dating. Whatever you can. So I totally did that. I listened to you, but I also went into Facebook and looked for conservatives in my area because I thought, why not? Why not go into Facebook groups and look at guys who I might think are attractive or how, whatever I like about them and talk to them. And I did because of you. Um, and I met a guy in, um, my new husband Jason in in LA and he was in a conservative group on Facebook and we just started talking and basically that's how I met him. So I think that's really good advice too, is, you know, single people out there to go to Facebook and go onto your groups and like a group that you would like, say you're like fishing in LA.

What was this group? Do you remember?

Trump's, uh, Conservatives for Trump in LA, of course.

So what was the ratio of men to women in that group?

All men, very few women.

Yeah, boy. So that's really ripe picking for a conservative woman.

It was. And he was, I just saw his comments. He was so funny, so witty. And I basically fell in love with him because of that. He's the most hilarious personality and very smart. And yeah, I met him on there. I met my husband on Facebook because of a group.

I love it. Yeah, we'll be back. We'll be back in a moment. How do people contact you?

Um, you can go to my website shophrh.co where we hand make all our jewelry in LA, which is now Orange County.

shophrh.co.

Correct.

Back in a moment with Alexandra Locke. I'm Dennis Prager. So I have a remarkable young woman, Alexandra Locke, AKA Pierce.

Yeah.

How long you married, by the way?

Um, since June, so not, not too long, but I was married before.

Right. So I gathered that only because when I said present and I changed my, I, to tune.

Yeah.

And you reacted that he's indeed the president. So I want to tell everybody once again, you decided during COVID during the lockdown, yes, to come out of the closet, as it were. And even though it was a real risk to your jewelry business.

Yes.

And it turned out that you exponentially increased your business.

Yes.

Well, you really were rewarded for doing the right thing. Which I'm very happy about. Then you— so everything— you really embody what I've been preaching.

Well, I listen to you. I don't know, I just— I listen to you and I trust you. And I don't think I would have— I think I would have— it would have taken me a lot longer to come out, um, had I not heard those words from you that day. But things were just getting so crazy with all the lockdowns and things.

Well, not only that, when you— when you come out of the closet you not only meet kindred spirits, which is essential to a happy life, you are— you sleep better. Because when you have to stifle who you are out of fear that people will trample you, it is a terrible price to pay.

And the amount of people that DM me and email me about how I've changed their life by waking them up, as we say, is— it feels It feels so good. It's very rewarding to know that you're helping people.

Yes, of course. You imagine how I feel. Yeah, that's right.

I'm sure you get—

yes, well, I get the other two, but it doesn't matter. It's an— that, that other part is inevitable. So again, you met your husband by joining a conservative Facebook page.

Yes.

So I don't understand. Maybe you can help me. The number of single women who want to meet a good man and won't go on a single site. I know, and I— their arguments don't make sense to me. And I, I, I said, Dennis, what are you missing? I— because what is the downside of going on these sites?

Well, what I think that they're doing wrong, and it's something that I think will help weed out the idiots or whatever, the people you don't want, is to be very upfront on your profile of what you're looking for and what you're not looking for. Just be honest.

Exactly.

That's what you have to do right away because you'll disqualify. Exactly. And then you can, then you'll have the honest pool of the ones to choose from. So then the date, the dates you'll go on will be probably more real dates.

I have told women and men for that matter, say you like me, Yeah, that, that alone is the kiss of Dracula.

Exactly. It's that easy, right?

It's that easy. That's exactly right. Yeah.

I mean, when I met my husband, I actually reached out to him because I was looking. So I reached out to him and started talking to him. He, he initiated the date, but I started talking to him. So you can talk to them and tell them, you know, you can initiate It's nice if they set the date up, but yes, that's a good one. You have to cast a big net. You have to try different things.

I, when people say to me, I feel like, what am I missing? Is it because this is not my generation? But then I think it has nothing to do with generation. It has to do with numbers.

Yeah, numbers.

If you can meet 1,000 people or 4 at a bar, aren't your chances better if you can meet 1,000? I don't understand why that's not logical.

And then you can immediately weed out the ones you don't want by just being honest of what you're looking for, what you're not looking for.

That's right.

Yeah, for me it was no liberals.

Yes. So by the way, in light of that, isn't that funny? Because I didn't even know that our conversation might even go there. So I did— you— I don't know if you wouldn't have heard, you were probably coming up from the parking lot. Yeah, but I— somebody sent me, because I— it's just— it is from June, it is from 4 months months ago, and somebody sent me a piece from Fox News that a TikTok, uh, video has gone viral of a woman saying, 'All the masculine men I meet are conservative.' That's so true, though. Tell us, as a woman, why you think that's true.

Oh my gosh, um, because I think that weak men— oh gosh, this is hard, you're putting me on the spot. Why are conservatives—

no, it is, it is a hard question.

Why are conservatives conservatives alpha? Is that what you're—

more, more alpha, more likely? If you're going to meet a, if you're going to meet a masculine man, he's more likely to be conservative than left, probably because they have some sort of faith behind them.

And I think that men who have faith have good values, like familial values, and they want to protect and provide.

Well, that's great. So you're identifying masculine with wanting to take care of a family.

Yes.

And by the way, just for the record, what is more masculine than that?

That's what I think.

That's the way I— you know, uh, you'll really get it. I don't know if you've ever heard me— you say you hear every day, but every day you can't memorize. So I, I actually hope you didn't hear this, but it doesn't matter. When a Jewish baby is born, boy or girl, the wish that traditional Jewish life offers. And every, every Jew who is at all traditional knows this phrase. This is not obscure. May your child grow up— and then they use the Hebrew— for Torah, marriage, and good deeds. That's it. That's all. That's that. You've now summarized what they want.

It just makes sense.

Yes. And that's the way I was raised. I knew I would be— I knew I would marry and have a family when I was 5.

Right. And not all men are like that nowadays. And I think it's because we don't have— so many people don't have faith in their lives. I think it has to do with that.

Oh, well, that is a big factor. I would admit that there are secular conservative men who are also masculine, but they also want to take care of a family.

So then it's that.

That's right. I, I, that You're an example of how I learned so much of what I know. Asking you what you as a woman define as masculine helps me understand the way women look at men, right? I'm not a woman. I acknowledge that. Yeah, we're different. So yes, and, and that's a big one. Is it not a turn-on to most women? Wow, I met a man and you know what he said? I want to marry, I want to make a family, and I want to take care of a family, which is rare now. What woman— yes, of course it is. I mean, what woman is not going to find that a turn-on?

Yeah, 100%.

Yes. We'll be back in a moment. Dennis Prager Show. Alexandra Locke, who runs HRH Jewelry, correct?

Yes, HRH Collection is the full name.

That's it, HRH collection.

Yeah.

So this is a final segment, then I'm going to take your calls. If you're on, I'm going to try to get your call. But I didn't know where this would go. The reason Alexandra is on is that she decided during the lockdowns that she would risk, literally risk her business and come out as anti-woke book, and it ended up exponentially helping her business, which I'm thrilled about. And I'm not, I'm not at all surprised.

Then she met her husband, and now mostly, like I said, is because of Dennis's words. So that's why I'm just so happy to be here telling you.

Well, tell everybody I haven't slept for 2 weeks.

I literally have not slept, and everyone— I haven't slept for 2 weeks. I've been so nervous. Coming to be on his show. I've met him several times but never really spoken to him, and I'm just so happy to be able to get some sleep tonight.

Yeah, no, I know, what a relief. She will not need relief factor sleep tonight. Yes, not tonight. But this— you've given me another hour of radio that I have to do. I actually did on the Male Female Hour, which I know I'm sure you're familiar with, I did once women call, only women call in, what do you consider masculine? And I didn't know what they would answer. I know what I consider masculine, but I didn't— I wanted to hear from women. And overwhelmingly, the key word was responsible. This was a turn-on. But, but that's, that's totally up your alley. Responsible for what, right? Not responsible for, you know, hitting a baseball.

Well, they can be responsible for themselves, I think. Them wanting to be responsible as far as creating a family or a union.

Yes, I think it was— yes, fair enough. But both are, both are true. They have to be responsible for themselves and for others.

Right, right.

But that, that is, uh, I— when I think about it, that's the way I'm going to phrase it now, because I'm going to put it in an interesting different way. What woman would not be turned on turned on by a man who said, you know, I actually really want to marry, to take care of a wife and children, and, you know, and to earn as well as I can to do so. What woman— and there are women who would not be turned on by that, I have to believe that. Do you think— no, you tell me if you think I'm wrong, that's fine. They're like a woke woman. Oh, Right. The ability to lie to oneself—

they're lying to themselves—

is, is—

that's for sure—

infinite. Okay, but there are women who would be turned off thinking, oh, he must be conservative, because they haven't—

their, their, their vision isn't clear.

Oh, I agree with you, I agree with you, because— but that's why it's worth asking.

Yeah.

So I would ask people to call in, like, would your daughter be turned on by a man who said that? It would seem to me—

yes. Yeah, I think most.

Well, then the viral TikTok video—

that's why it went viral, because everyone was watching it, because it was getting around and it was true. And I bet you the comments—

the masculine men I meet are overwhelmingly conservative.

I mean, just visually, even when you think about a liberal man and a conservative man, that I can picture them both. And liberal men are usually not masculine, not as masculine.

Yes, I agree.

No, I'm totally, I'm totally prepared to probably pick them out if you put them in a line. Yeah, unfortunately for them.

So here's an interesting question, which may be more complex. What is a feminine woman? If that's a masculine—

yeah, this one is hard, but I think I know.

Yes.

A feminine woman is a woman who is submissive to the man and can be, because a lot of us, and me included, are a little more masculine in nature, and we have to learn to be more feminine, softer, and more submissive to the husband, which is difficult nowadays because we're very independent.

So you run this huge business and you're saying this? Yeah, you see, it's difficult. So I— people should read my Bible commentary because when Eve and Adam are told the consequences of their eating from the Tree of Knowledge, one of the consequences to the woman— pain in childbirth— and another is that she will be submissive to a man. And but then I documented with study after study that women love dominant men, not bullies, Yes. Not a-holes.

Yes.

Even not, not beaters. Nothing bad. But, but that's, that's a big deal.

Even strong women, like, especially, especially. I need that.

That's correct.

Yes, we need that.

You are healthy, my dear. What a joy. Yay!

Oh my gosh, biggest compliment coming from you ever.

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