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Hi everybody. Dennis and Julie. It seems silly to say I'm Dennis and she's Julie. However, in the time in which we live, it may not be that silly. Dennis Prager, Julie Hartman. We're together every week. Did we ever miss a week?

I don't think so.

Since we began in my college dorm room, which is really something given how much I travel. We really are intent about not missing one.

We're very disciplined about it. Very, really, for our own sake as much as the listeners, because we love it so much.

That's true.

Sorry, I interrupted you.

No, I love that. Actually, you're right. I— for those of you listening and not watching, this will be a loss. So it might entice you to watch. You could see us on YouTube here. Julie, I want you to see this. This is something you would think would come from a satirical website.

Is it the New York Times?

It's the— but this is for real. Here it is, folks. Can you zoom in, guys? There is this— read the headline. Is that Mondrian?

Is that Mondrian upside down?

Right.

So does it matter? This is the subtext. A curator concludes that a work was hung the wrong way around. Oh, is this the front page of the New York Times?

Front page of the art section.

Oh, at least if it's in the art school.

No, no, no, but it shows you—

it's absurd.

That's right. It shows you the farce of contemporary art. They just realized that the painting was upside down.

I can't tell you how many people at both my high school and college, you know, because I would take art history classes or art courses and we'd take field trips to museums, people would stand in front of these modern art paintings and look at them and contemplate them like they were the most profound, astounding pieces of work. And I'm these— I'm the one standing there like, is this really that good? I'm sorry to say it. Some of them are quite good, but the Mondrian that the New York Times profiled is—

Contemporary art is mostly junk. Contemporary architecture, contemporary sculpture, contemporary music. I'm sorry to say. I wish it weren't true. Anyway, I just thought I'd share that. I have actually a number of things on my mind.

Well, wait, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but before we get to that, yeah, this is, this is just as a woman. Yeah, this is bothering me. Dennis has 2 rubber bands on his desk, his side of the desk, I should say. Why do we need 2 rubber bands?

So here is the interesting thing. You are right about as a woman. I know you were.

So it's totally a woman thing. Men don't care.

Alison Armstrong, have you heard her with me?

Alison Armstrong, she's a doctor, right?

No, but no, no, she's— she deals in men-women issues, but she's not a doctor.

Okay.

So I've had her on for decades, once, 4 times a year now on the Male Female Hour. So she once said something to this effect: when I enter my bedroom and it— and the bed is a mess, my pillows are screaming at me, fix me. And I thought, have I entered the Twilight Zone, or is this simply a woman's mind at work? So when you just said now, I couldn't move on. Yes, that's right. Yes, this is why, you know, you've heard me say this, and I assume many listeners have, that if we swap brains, men and women—

oh, this is a great line—

men would commit suicide. And women would go, that's it.

Well, my retort to you is what if, what a great vacation.

Vacation. Now, if I could live in a man's mind. Vacation. That's it.

Oh my gosh.

It is. I wouldn't think about entering a man's mind would be for you a vacation.

I was doing my hair and makeup this morning and I, I don't even care about it to the extent that most other girls do, but I was like, can you imagine just rolling out of bed and showing up to an on-air job and not having to worry?

Well, most men who are responsible, if they have their hair, they'll shampoo or they'll take care of it. But yeah, there is no comparison. I fully acknowledge it. I am married to a woman.

But I just want to say before we move on, and I'm sorry to shade you, Dennis, but I think the viewers would get a kick out of it. His desk at home is a nightmare. It is so interesting to me. I'm so fascinated by people's living habits because I think it reveals something about them.

Now, what does it reveal about me?

Well, I don't— as I was saying that, I was thinking I'm going to have to say what it reveals about Dennis, and I'm not. Sure. Well, Dennis is so organized and has such clarity, right, in every other aspect of his life.

Yes.

And so there's— this is what I think it reveals. Even for someone as organized and clear as you, one thing has got to give. And for you, it's the desk.

That's fair.

And the desk, you guys, we— it's like an excavation site trying to find— we—

my wife calls it an archaeological dig.

It is.

That is true. By the way, I prefer when it's clean, but, and orderly. I do prefer it, but it doesn't happen.

And I just wanna reiterate to the listeners, when I say that it's a dirty desk or it's—

It's not dirty.

No, no, no.

Okay.

That's true.

That's important.

It's a, it's messy. Messy. I don't just mean like there are a few papers. I mean there are mountains. Yes, that's correct. And you cannot see the, the wood on the desk.

That's correct. And when you see the wood, you realize I should cover it up again.

Oh my God, well we spent a week last summer organizing.

We did.

And then it went back in a week. Anyway, on to more substantial things. Now that the rubber bands are away.

I did tell you the story, right, about the cops who showed up at my apartment when I—

Oh, you did, but you have to tell the listeners, it's hilarious.

I haven't said it on the record.

Oh, maybe you have, but you might as well tell them quickly.

All right, very quickly. So my last apartment, I was in my mid-20s, this is the last time I lived in New York City, I lived in Queens. And my car had been burgled, uh, rock thrown through the rear window, and they stole the car stereo. So I, I reported it. To my amazement, cops showed up. And the cops knock on the door, police department. I open up, they look at my apartment, stare at it, and then go Holy [MASKED] word. Holy [MASKED]. Did they do a job.

Oh my goodness, I know. I love that. I love that line.

It is one of the great stories of my life. So I can't wait to write my autobiography. I got a million of those. So I spent the next 10 minutes sheepishly explaining to the police my apartment was not robbed, my car was.

How do you find things? And again, you're so— or I do.

I do find things. How do you— I don't know. You lift a lot of things and you find it.

Oh my gosh.

So here, here is a one of my topics in my brain. I— let's see, I— you provoked it in something you had said, and then it was provoked again just this week. And then I did it as my male-female hour. So the subject I did was, what if you're a woman, what immediately turns you off about a man? Immediately. In other words, I mean, if you know someone for 5 years, obviously you can answer it in a different way. But what, what immediately would turn you off? And what made me think of it was you're showing me pictures of guys on single sites, which I want to talk to you about. And I quoted you, I cited you on the show. And then the other thing was, driving into work this week, I saw a guy cross the street in front of my car. I was obviously at a red light, and the guy— there was no— not only was he not walking with anyone, there was no one visible and it's outdoors and he's wearing a mask. And my immediate thought was, if I were a woman, that, that guy would be ruled out a priori.

Yep, agreed. He would be ruled out for me, certainly.

Right. So is your thinking my thinking? It is like the antithesis of a strong or masculine—

oh, absolutely—

or even rational man.

Yes. Okay, that's— no, exactly. My, my turn-offs are masks. My turnoffs with men are if they're wearing any kind of political shirt. I talk a lot about the computer stickers, but that's overwhelmingly a female phenomenon, at least at my college. Men didn't really do that, but there were some men, small minority of men, who would wear political things. And I just— if you're in that camp, there's no way that I'm going to date you.

So I'd like to know, aside from the mask, Mm-hmm. Look, my immediate assumption is— I, and I know that some people watching or listening wear masks. I don't— I promise I don't mean to insult you, even though what I'm going to say is insulting. But no, no, I know that sounds odd. No, I have no intention of insulting anyone. And somebody may have an excuse. I don't believe there is one. I mean, maybe if you're very old and a bunch of comorbidities and you terribly fear anything you get, but then you'll have to wear one the rest of your life.

And also they're not effective.

They're not effective, that's why I said irrational. Right. Exactly correct. Go on the internet and watch people puff smoke through any of these masks.

Right.

Anyway, I just assume the person walks through life scared, which is very unimpressive and certainly unmasculine. And, and has a herd-like response to life.

Another turnoff for me is if a guy is goth. And I noticed in college a lot more guys were experimenting with gothness than—

So how does it manifest itself? With nose rings or what?

You know, I, I would see a lot of nose rings among women and among gay men. I did not thankfully see a lot of nose rings among straight men.

So what would goth entail?

You're gonna hate this one, but painting your nails black.

Hate? Not strong enough a word.

Okay, in fairness, it wasn't a lot of men, but more men than I thought would paint their nails. And I actually knew one straight man who—

It's too painful.

It's really painful.

It's like listening to the proverbial nails on a chalkboard.

It is painful, trust me.

Trust me. As a straight guy?

Yes. I knew one straight guy who would wear a choker on his neck. But okay, again, not many.

A choker like jewelry?

Yes, like it looked like a fishnet. If you, you know, those fishnet stockings or just a regular fishnet.

That I never recall seeing, but You're with a younger crowd than I am, but the fingernails, I can't get over. What is it, different colors?

Mostly black or gray.

So that's goth.

Yes. And what people would do, including girls, is they would paint it such that they looked like they were chipped. Usually when you paint your nails, you paint them fully, and then as you go, you know, throughout your week, they naturally get chipped. But now chipped nails just itself is a look. So people would intentionally paint it.

My theory on that is it's, it's an example of boredom.

Yes.

You see, when, when disorder becomes the, the desideratum, the desired end, that to me is a function of boredom. So that your chipped nails are not as nice as smooth nails. I mean, it's just a fact.

Well, sorry, the nails wouldn't be chipped. The nail polish would be.

Right. Okay, fine. Okay. I'm glad you clarified. Okay. But, but the point remains the same.

It looks dirty to me.

Okay. So it is to a certain extent like torn jeans. Mm-hmm.

Which is another thing that's in vogue.

Oh, vogue. I mean, that, that, that's ubiquitous. I mean, it's beyond vogue. What do you think of that? I, I, I'm still puzzled at its appeal.

I think it's boredom, but also, and I've said this repeatedly about other things, I think that it's that people are so desperately trying to figure out what their identity is and they think that this is an appropriate expression of it. We don't have very good role models of people who have a really good robust individual identity. So we look at singers or actors or actresses who wear clothes a certain way or paint their nails a certain way or even just people at our own school and that's what we think is expressing a proper identity.

You'll love this.

It's sheep-like.

So I was just with Charlie Kirk. We were just at a public event together.

We have the same birthday.

You and Charlie?

Yep.

That's interesting. It is interesting. I get a kick out of it.

And guess who also is the birthday? George Floyd.

I would've guessed. You didn't give me time.

Okay, then guess the other one. It's a US president who shares our birthday.

James Knox Polk.

Oh my gosh, why am I forgetting his first name? Dwight Eisenhower.

Oh, Eisenhower.

For a minute I thought, what's Eisenhower's first name? Yep, Eisenhower. Anyway, Charlie Kirk.

So Charlie said to me, at this public thing. We had over 1,000 people at this big thing in Orange County, and he's wearing a tie and a shirt. Charlie hates wearing ties. He likes truly comfortable garb. I am honored to say that he has told me frequently that I have been a very positive effect in his life, which means a lot to me because he's done a lot of good. And Charlie comes over to me and he goes, I want you to know you're the one who convinced me to wear this tie today. Of course, I never directly said—

of course.

And he said, I just want you to know— I wish I remembered the exact words— it has an effect an effect on the person when they dress up, and it has an effect on the way people treat you. Mm-hmm.

Yes.

And this is a guy who would be happy to wear a t-shirt.

It's so interesting that you say that because, uh, you don't even know this about me. My, my parents and my roommate in my apartment knows this about me, and my college roommates know.

I—

my state of nature is wearing pajamas. I love wearing PJs. I would stay in PJs all day. I just think they're comfortable and, you know, I just, and a big sweatshirt. So it takes a lot for me to get into normal clothes, even if those normal clothes are casual clothes because I just love PJs so much. But over the past few weeks, I've been really trying to establish, I moved out of my parents' house, as you know, and into an apartment. I've been really trying to use that as an opportunity to establish a good routine, getting up earlier, reading the paper every morning. And one of the things that I've started doing as an experiment is immediately getting out of my PJs, even if I'm not leaving the apartment, and just putting on, even if I put on leggings or a t-shirt.

This is so impressive that you are trying that.

Well, you're so right. It's exactly what you just said. I feel like a human. I feel like I'm not, I feel like I'm more competent in all ways.

You know my belief. We live in the age of stupidity because it's the anti-wisdom age. No wisdom is taught, none. Wisdom, elementary wisdom, tells you clothing is of surpassing importance. It affects you and the way others perceive you. Do you know when I walk onto a plane in my ubiquitous shirt and tie, I know that I am treated more seriously and respectfully by flight attendants, by others. Anyone listening to this right now, any man listening, try that experiment. I want you to go a week, you don't even have to wear a jacket, just a shirt and tie, as bizarre as it will seem to you, and tell me how you feel and how others treat you.

So question for you, you're going to Denmark tonight. How long is that, 12, 13-hour flight? Do you wear a shirt and tie?

So that's a good, So since this is what will happen, since we're doing this and since I always broadcast with a shirt and tie, so I do any public thing, I don't know if—

in other words, will I take my tie off or will you just wear a casual shirt?

No, no, no, no, no. This shirt is a given. So part of my consideration is there is no day in my life if I step out of the house that I'm not asked to do some selfies with people, right? And I prefer that I be in the selfie looking good than looking less good. That's all. That's the one picture this person will have of me. So I, I think about that. If I were true— if I were going to a desert island, uh, I, I would, uh, you know, I'd wear— I would wear shorts and a t-shirt.

Well, another thing about clothing, and, and you your point touched on this, is that it not only transforms you, but I view it as an act of respect to other people. And that's what I've come to see in the past year or two. I mean, I would go to class— I'm sure there are photos of me walking to class and I would wear Lululemon leggings and sneakers and a sweatshirt, so it's not like I got all dolled up. But I thought, you know, I should really work on this and try to dress more appropriately for the classroom. And even just in my daily life, I try to do that. When I see people who are wearing— it happens so often in LA. I think it's more the LA culture than anywhere else. You see people wearing these flowy sweatpants or these crop tops or these ragged shoes, and they're trying to look cool. And I just think it's disrespectful. I'm sorry, I don't want to see your stomach. I don't want to see anybody's— like, just be respectful. Just cover yourself appropriately.

Not a fruit. There are different issues that you've just raised, in my opinion. So women and modesty is not the same as respect for the, for the public, although some may say that they are. Uh, I don't want to get into the— I'm totally happy, as you know, to talk about sexual matters, but it is more complex in the case of the female. If a guy's wearing something stomach-baring He looks like an idiot. If a woman wears something stomach-baring, she doesn't look like an idiot. I mean, that's just the way it works in the world. We're not the same sex, men and women. But your bigger point is so important. Anyone listening to us right now should go on the internet and look up pictures of baseball games. In the 1950s. Everyone is dressed better than they now dress to church. They went to baseball games in the post-World War II, or certainly pre-World War II generation, more formally dressed than the vast majority of people who go to church now.

Well, it shows it was a more serious society.

Well, and it was part of the thought, I remember this from my parents, it's not respectful to others. That you came up with this on your own is why you're Julie.

Thank you.

Is why there is a Dennis in Julie.

That's right.

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Well, I just— I've again, I've been thinking about how much society has deteriorated, the media that we consume, the way that we speak to one another, and the way we dress is a huge part of that. And I think that, you know, constantly every day, perhaps to an absurd extent, I'm trying to improve myself. And one of the things is the way that I dress because I want to, even in a subtle way, bring— not that perhaps wearing a suit and tie around every day is too much. I don't know. I'm not a man. I don't know how awful it is wearing a suit and tie. I can tell you as a woman, I am very grateful that I don't have to wear heels all day long because they hurt. So of course, I'm not advocating for black tie to go to the grocery store, but I'm trying to, in a subtle way, set an example of that I take myself seriously and I take the person who I'm encountering seriously. That's a good point.

Taking the public seriously.

And on the point about modesty, again, I'm not a prude. I think that while you're young, especially when you have good skin and a good body, take advantage of that. I tend to dress pretty conservatively and I've been thinking recently too that one day I'm going to wake up and realize that I had smooth skin skin and a young body and maybe I should, you know, wear things that are more my age. But it has become so absurd now and so sexualized where women my age and even older wear really revealing things with, you know, showing their breasts or their stomach or really short skirts or shorts. And I just— the reason why I coupled it with the point about respect is I don't think it's really respecting yourself to do that.

Well, I can't speak to that. It's one of the rare times where I would have— I would have to— I know I would have to be in the other person's shoes. I'd have to be a female, right, to know that.

I'm not trying to judge those people. I mean, I guess—

no, no, we're fine. We don't have a problem judging as we could be judged.

I mean, it's—

it's as long as you don't persecute. Of course, I know you like, but I just couldn't imagine doing that. I would feel— All right, since you ventured into this quicksand.

Oh, no.

Yes, it's a very complex question to me. So let me, let me first say that the parallels in our lives and our inner lives are frightening. Oh, not frightening. They're startling. When I was your age, I was constantly working on myself. Constantly monitoring me, working on me. It's eerie. Anyway, so I, when I was 20 years old, I studied in England for the year, and that's when I began my world travels. And I will boast, the only thing I boast about, I've been to 131 countries. So I started during the winter vacation, I went from Leeds Central England to Morocco the cheapest way possible, which means you cross the English Channel on a boat, take a train in France, go down through Spain to the bottom of Spain, then take another boat across the Straits of— Strait of Gibraltar and onto Morocco. And I remember the first time I looked, wow, the mountains of Africa. I, I just— it was such a high That is really cool. Totally. Now, why am I telling the story? So in Morocco at that time, virtually every woman was completely covered. Not every single one wore a veil, but they were, they were completely covered, right? I didn't see any part of a female for 2 weeks. I was there for 2 weeks. And I, I monitored me. So for example, was I less— was there— were there fewer times of sexual adrenaline running in me? Because men are visually stimulated, which is impossible for a woman to fully relate to. It's, it's just the way it is. So I monitored the fact that I felt somewhat deadened compared to the way I was in Europe. I, and I didn't know what to make of it. I still thought, if part of me thought, well, maybe this is a healthier thing, right? I'm less sexually, uh, excited a lot of the time. But I felt more deadened than relieved. And then when I got to Portugal, that's how I got back to Europe, I flew from I don't remember which city in Morocco. It was the cheapest way to get back to Europe by an airplane, go to Portugal. So I got to Portugal, and of course, girls in miniskirts and, you know, and everything else, tank tops, the whole thing. And I remember thinking, it may well be too much skin. That may well be the case, right? I'll take that extreme over the other any day.

Of course.

And I'll tell you why, though. This is what's interesting. I thought, this is life. Sex is life. I mean, that's what produces life. So there's a very life-giving element to sexuality. Of course you can overdo it, obviously. I mean, if women walked around in Lisbon in bikinis, which they weren't, but I'm just saying, it would be absurd, but it would certainly be sexual. I'm not talking about the beach, I'm talking about in the streets. So I came to see young women showing not too much, but showing their bodies as a life force. And I've never veered from that belief.

I agree with that point. And I think that, again, what did I just say, especially while you're young and you have it, you know, use it or show it if you want to. I do think, and again, it's just from my experience with girls my age, it's gotten to the point where many don't know when it's appropriate and when it's not. If you're going out on the town with your friends to get drinks, Totally get it. When you're going to class and you're wearing, you know, a low-cut tank top that shows your breasts and really short shorts, right? Is that really appropriate?

You know, that's right. It's a very difficult but important question.

It is.

The context— look, you don't certainly know where that— to church, right? I mean, that would be obvious.

They're not going to church, but people are almost going to church in PJs. Right.

I mean, so, so that's, that's, that's truly wrong.

Well, what, what I, as a girl, again, when I say I'm not trying to judge those girls, there's a part of me that actually envies them because I would love to be as open and— ah, see, I just want to say this is what happens when Dennis doesn't clear his desk. He knocks over stuff and it interrupts the podcast.

He is practicing to be a wife. Sanskrit.

Wife is Sanskrit for flaw finder, everyone.

Dennis told me that, just to remind the viewers, who finds flaws in her husband.

And I totally believed him. Went home, said to my dad, I said, guess what I learned from Dennis Prager today? Wife is Sanskrit for flaw finder. And he burst out laughing, and I realized I had been played. Anyway, yeah, what was I saying? Um, we were talking about girls dressing. Oh yes. Again, there's a part of me that actually envies those girls.

Oh yeah, the envy. I was curious. Yeah.

Because, and by the way, I'm making myself out to be like a nun. I don't cover myself.

No, you don't. No, no, no. That's not totally correct.

But I don't, you know, when I would go out to parties, a lot of my friends, and God bless them, they look great, would wear these cute little tank tops and I would cover my whole, I mean, I would have like spaghetti straps, like it would show things up top, but my stomach would always be covered. In other words, I didn't really push it. And there's a part of me, again, as I was just saying, I'm young once, why don't I try to do that more? But the problem is, maybe it's because I value my mind so much and who I am so much, I want people to see me for that more than they see a sexualized version of me. And I also think that, especially, I mean, I would never wear it to going to class, but when you're walking down the street, I don't know, there's a part of me that just feels like I would be exposing too much of myself if I were wearing this tiny little thing. Look, maybe it's empowering. It probably to an extent is.

I don't know that.

I can't relate to it.

It's— look, the, the questions need to be asked. I don't know that there's one right answer, but there's the gap between all I am is a sex object and I don't want to be perceived in any way as a sexy woman is a very gigantic Grand Canyon, right? Where the happy medium is, I can't, I can't give a perfect answer.

By the way, I'm not totally the latter.

No, you're not at all. No, no, no, that is— and I'm happy to say that that is correct. But I'm just saying those are the extremes, and, and there, there's got to be some happy medium, right?

I think another thing, and this goes back to what I was just telling you about the, the chipped nail polish and people who are dressing up as goth, And it also relates to people wearing political shirts or putting political computer stickers on their laptops. I think a lot of this is an attempt to get in your face, to create shock value. You talked about how the goth, I guess, lifestyle is really stemming from boredom. I think it stems from a desperate need to get attention or to shock people. And I even find, and this may be kind of a stretch to understand, but it's very subtle and it's something that I've just kind of culturally observed. It's hard to put into words. But I think a lot of people too, everything nowadays is so political, and I think they view the way that they dressed as an act of political defiance. So for instance, when a woman dresses very provocatively or or in a sexual manner. I think, and again, it's just a subtle cultural thing that I've observed, I think that that in part is trying to get in your face and go and trying to denounce the patriarchy or combat the patriarchy. Like, oh, women for so long had to dress conservatively and now we're sexually liberated, so I'm gonna show my breasts to show you how sexually liberated I am. Or when people wear it.

You can actually read it in the opposite way too.

Really?

Oh, totally. Why did they drop the swimsuit competition in the Miss America pageant? A news item that I'm the only one I know of who even bothered talking about. I had not watched Miss America since I was in my parents' house in high school, but I thought it was a very seminal moment in American history. The whole point was women in swimsuits affirms the patriarchy.

Right. So are there other examples besides the swimsuit competition where there have been sexual things that—

Oh yeah. Oh, look, look up, just look up stewardesses, 1960s, and see. First of all, there was an age limit. You had to retire by a certain age. They wanted you to be cute. Whether that's right or wrong is not my issue. That, that was a part of the job description. On an airline you never heard of. Uh, let's see, it was, uh, Pacific Southwest. Yeah, that's what it was called, Pacific Southwest, PSA. They, the stewardesses, at, for, during it, in the '70s, wore hot pants.

What? Hot pants? What are hot pants?

Oh, that's okay, look it up. Seriously, hot pants are extremely tight shorts that just go to the bottom of the butt.

Right. Well, that stuff I do think is a bit absurd. I don't think that flight attendants should have to leave the profession. I mean, and I know you probably agree with me on that.

No, no, no. That is any— all I'm saying was we've—

there was more of that allowed.

Yeah.

More sexualizing.

And the feminist response was, oh, this is to please men, so we don't want to do it.

Well, that's so interesting because I totally see your point in some ways. Those examples are good ones of how the sexualizing has been seen as oppressive to women. But let me just tell you, people my age, women my age dress in a very sexual manner. That's the point of this whole conversation. They really overemphasize their sexuality. Again, my thesis statement of the past 20 minutes is that I think it's gone too far. So it just goes to show you.

And why are they doing it?

Again, I think it's an act of defiance. It's like we have—

Defiance of what?

The patriarchy, it doesn't make sense to me that the patriarchy—

So all I'm saying, and my reaction is, I know, both, either way, it's called a defiance of the patriarchy.

Well, of course, of course. Well, that's, I mean, that's just classic left-wing stuff. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Yeah. Silence is violence, but then speaking out, you could say the wrong thing and that's equally, you know, it's just, it's, they don't, what it really reflects is they don't know what they really believe in. They don't know if sexualizing is part of the patriarchy or not sexualizing is part of the patriarchy. But I'm just, saying that the girls my age, they view it as I'm claiming my sexuality.

So since we're so open, which is part of the appeal of Dennis and Julie, so you said you certainly get it if a girl reveals more sexually attired, if she's going a night on the town, right? Is that a term you would even use?

Not really.

I know. So what term would you use?

Going out.

Just going out, going out, like with a bunch of other girls? Yes, usually, right? Bar hopping, if you will. Okay, so did you ever do that?

Yes.

Oh, how did you, how did you feel? I felt like I was the prude in the whole bar because you were, you were, even though for you it was more revealing, it was more modest vis-à-vis your friends.

And again, it's not like I was wearing a turban.

No, you weren't. Right. A chador. You were not wearing a chador.

Yes, I would have a top that showed my arms and my chest and part of my breasts, but it wouldn't— I mean, compared to my peers, they would be wearing these tight, tight, tight tank tops that would just barely cover your nipple and then go just below the— they would essentially just cover smallest amount of breasts that they were obligated to cover, and I never did that.

Right.

So I did— I felt a little bit like, I don't know, so prudish.

What are they feeling, in your opinion?

I think they feel sexy.

So how does that—

good for them, they totally are.

So is that going back to your point earlier Well, I envy them.

Yes. I wish I could do that to the extent that they do that, but I just know that I would feel sheepish. I just would. I don't know why. Maybe I need to talk about this in therapy, or better yet, I just need to send a recording of this conversation to my therapist and then she can give me notes. But I don't know. That's just not what they need to do.

I don't know why therapy implies that there's something unhealthy about your reaction. What, what this calls for is not therapy because there's nothing at all unhealthy about your reaction. But it does call— and I, I'm not sure I'm equipped because I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but it's fascinating because you're very, very self-reflective. It's worth analyzing.

Well, I'll tell you something that I just thought of. My goal when I go out is to look pretty and elegant. And that's my goal for all of life, not just when I'm going out. But, you know, when I'm coming up with an outfit, my goal is not slutty. My goal is not, you know, sexualized, too sexualized. It's to look young and to have a nice ponytail or a nice hairdo and good makeup and wear something that does reveal some skin but nothing too—

Yeah, sounds good to me.

And heels. It's just I want to go for the classy look. Not too prude, too conservative, but classy. A lot of my peers just straight go, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on air but you can bleep me, for the hoe look. That's what they're going for. I just, I don't do that. And again, part of me, there's a little part of me that envies them.

I get that. I do get that.

But I also respect— when I'm out there, when I'm out at the bar, I'm thinking, wow, I'm definitely the most conservatively dressed person in here, even though again, it's absurd because I'm not even that much conservatively dressed. But I also— maybe that's the negative feeling, but the positive feeling is I feel like, you know what, if a guy is in here and sees me like this, he will know that I respect myself and that I'm a classy and elegant person, and that's what I want a guy to see and be attracted to.

100% respect that.

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I'm, I'm, I'm not envious because I'm a male and it has— obviously it would be absurd, but I am curious what their feeling is. In other words, does that look make that— which makes them feel sexy, presumably— is that an adrenaline producer?

I think so. I think so. Yeah.

So I wish, because of— I'm an explorer of the human condition— that you once did that I know. And then came and reported. Oh my gosh, what it was like.

My friends and I talk about that. They're like, one night we're gonna put Julie in like a bikini, right? And just send her out, you know?

Right.

I mean, I don't know.

No, no, we all understand the point. You know what, maybe I will.

Yeah, maybe I'll try.

Yes.

But again, I just think that I would be disrespecting myself.

Do you think they're disrespecting themselves?

If I'm being totally blunt, as I am on this podcast, a little bit, yes. Because as I've said ad nauseam, both on the radio and on this program, hookup culture in college is so, so, so common. And now that I'm out of college, the rare times that I go out with my roommate, I can see that it's just as common in the quote-unquote real world.

And the relationship between how they dress and hookup culture is what?

Well, it reveals— when you're wearing, you know, a skimpy little outfit, it reveals I'm down to be sexual with you.

That's right. And I think that is what men read in it. There's totally—

and I think, and I think that's what girls are trying to convey. So that's not my— I mean, I am uncomfortable with—

so let me tell you, as a man, this is an interesting— obviously, how could this not be interesting? So when I was your age, or a little older, when I— in my 20s, and I was single all of my 20s, I, I zeroed in, so to speak, if not hookup but pickup, uh, I zeroed in on the, on the girl who was more covered like you. And I'll tell you why. It wasn't that I thought that the other one— I, I'm not going to sound noble, it was actually selfish. The ones who showed the most were like the most standoffish.

Oh, interesting.

Yes, very interesting. There was much better chance of anything happening with a, a, a more modestly dressed girl. I'm again not a chador, not—

of course.

Yeah, but what you're describing, right? Is that interesting?

Yes, it is. That is interesting. Well, I think that the standoffishness is a part of the deal. They want to play hard to get. They want to look super sexy, desirable.

Yes, exactly.

But ultimately, I think they're doing that as a tactic because at the end of the day or the end of the night, they want a certain thing.

That was good.

Well, I look, am I totally against hookup culture? No. Have I participated in it somewhat on a small scale? Yes. That being said, I am not going out as some of my friends are, and God bless them if that's what they want to do. Seriously, no judgment or shade, as I like to say, coming from my part. If they want to do that and they have fun, go for it. But I am not the type of person to want to go out and just try to project that I want a one-night stand or I want to be intimate with someone for a one-time thing.

The question is, I don't doubt that they have fun. The question is, how do they feel the next day?

Well, exactly.

Well, actually, that really is the question.

Well, that's really what it is, because I've had friends that have fun, and then the next day when the guy— and this happens— disappears, won't even text, won't even acknowledge your presence out on campus. It's so vile, and they feel awful. So I just, I don't want to put myself through that. And also, I mean, this is getting really personal, but Welcome to our show. I am not someone that enjoys or is comfortable being intimate with someone unless I feel like I know them and respect them intellectually.

I believe you reflect female nature, right? But they have been taught there's no such thing as female.

Well, exactly.

And that's the whole— that's the genesis of the hookup culture. You're just like men, but you're not.

I know.

So yeah, so that was a— so one final thing we didn't get. This all started—

get even more personal.

No, no, no, I don't know how more personal.

Exactly.

This is the beauty of it. So back to the earlier part when I did my show on what is an instant turn-off.

Yes.

For a woman in seeing a man.

Yes.

Tell people what you see on single sites.

Well, I talked about this on our last show for a little bit, and Dennis, do you remember you asked me the question if I'm attracted to bald men. I had so many people write into me and say, because I said I would prefer someone who isn't bald, not because I dislike bald people or that I'm totally against it, but it's just, I feel like if you're bald at my age, you're not looking as young as I may want you to look. A lot of people were not happy with that response. I mean, they respected it, but they wrote in and they were like, You say that you want masculine men, but then a bald guy is the epitome of masculinity. So my apologies to anyone that I—

Well, no, even forgetting apologies, what would you say to that argument?

I would say, look, you don't have anything to apologize for. I know I don't.

You didn't do anything with malice. No, you were. You were being honest.

Yes. When I say I'm apologizing, I sincerely don't mean to offend anyone. But at the same time, right. I'm not, I don't regret saying it.

Right.

Because it's a choice.

But what do you answer to that? I mean, there are a lot of great looking guys who are bald.

Yes.

There's no way around it.

My answer is that, look, I would not totally say I will never date a bald person, but a lot of sexuality and your sexual interests are things that can't be explained in rational terms.

Right, exactly.

And I just happen to not be as attractive to bald men as I am to full-haired men.

Right.

So there's that.

Hence the Dennis and Julie broadcast.

Your hair's remarkable.

I, it's when I go to get it cut, they, they always comment on how rare it is. I did nothing. I was just pure genetic luck. But I mean, I'm very grateful for it.

Yeah, it really is.

So anyway, go on.

So yeah, so I touched on this a little bit in the last episode, but it's worth saying again and in fact elaborating. These— when I go on the dating apps and there are guys that pop up, they are not talking about clothing. The clothing is awful these days. Ripped jeans on men, saggy pants, you know, t-shirts that I'm sorry don't look masculine. They either have flowers on them or they have some like name of a band or something again to indicate they're cool. They often, they have their hats on backwards, which I don't mind necessarily. Like, it's not a be-all end-all kind of thing. But the hat backwards paired with the other clothing, I think, just doesn't look great.

I actually used your hair hat backwards.

Really?

On my show.

Wow. And another thing I'll say, and then I'll be quiet, a lot have necklaces. Multiple necklaces, in fact. And a lot more nowadays I see have bracelets and rings. And I'm sorry, if you are wearing any of the things that I just mentioned, it's an immediate no for me.

I, I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful men, but I totally— and I mean that, but I support you completely.

And what's even worse, why is, why is that deemed masculine? Well, that's just the tip of the iceberg, Dennis. The clothing is one thing. Then it's the way that they're posing. So many guys, they'll have their legs outstretched and it's just not an elegant— again, I'm not—

No, you don't have to apologize. I don't understand what the point is.

It's odd.

It's weird. It's unsophisticated.

Yes, it is. And it's too casual and it's— I don't know if, again, Dennis and Julie, we talk about everything. I don't know if they're trying to draw attention to their junk. I don't know what they're trying to do. I seriously can't figure it out.

But even drawing attention to your junk is not masculine.

Of course.

That's what men need to understand. They don't have models of masculinity. Did John Wayne draw attention to his junk? People don't know who John Wayne is, but I do. You— why do you, by the way?

My dad.

So I am curious, you see, have you seen John Wayne movies?

Yes.

Do you understand why I would use him as an example of masculinity?

Yes, of course. Well, my— I mean, my dad talks about him a lot. I trust anyone who my dad says is a model of masculinity or good character.

Right. I—

but aside from trusting your dad, or me, yes, for that matter, he always looked very dignified.

Well, dignified helps, but I am curious, do you have a masculine actor in mind from any age?

In a Hollywood actor that I think— I would say Harrison Ford, but what's sad— this is very interesting. I know he now has an earring.

That's right.

I used to view him as the epitome of masculinity, and now I don't. I'll try to think of another. Harrison Ford is the— I— my favorite movie. I don't know who that is. I'm sorry. Well, my mom— I, I want to shout this show out, and I'm so interested to know if people are aware of it, and please write in to me if you are. My mom growing up would show me The Big Valley. Are you familiar with that show?

Yes, it was. Uh, who was the great actor in that? I think if it's—

if I'm right, I know all the character names. Well, there's Barbara Stanwyck was Victoria, the mother.

And I don't think I—

and there was, uh, I can't remember any of the names of the—

okay, go ahead.

But anyway, the men in that show, I can remember their screen names: Jared, Heath, and Nick. They are very masculine. I don't— again, I don't know their real names, but they're masculine.

So you never heard of— this was when I was a kid, this was the most, I think, the most popular of this genre, Bonanza. Go on the internet and watch 2 episodes of Bonanza. It's a dad and they're cowboys. Dad and his 3 sons. I'm very curious how they're going to react. Oh, I will. I'm very curious.

Well, I have another homework assignment to do, which is to watch Monty Python, because when I was guest hosting for you a few weeks ago, I said that people— I was talking about the herd-like mentality, you know, among— who knows what I was talking about? There's so much herd-like mentality nowadays, but I cited the Norman Cousins quote, which you know I love. That he said that people were wearing the uniform of nonconformity, i.e., they all thought that they were so defiant and individualistic, but they all were acting the same way, and in the end they were conformists. Sean played this Monty Python clip that said, like, we're all individual, it was something.

Yes, so it's a character playing Jesus, it's The Life of Brian. The character playing Jesus— it's a very funny film. It's dark humor, but it's very funny. He's looking at this gigantic crowd of followers and he's not happy that they're sheep-like.

Yes.

And he yells at them, you are all individuals.

Oh yes.

5,000 people go, we are all individuals.

Right. So he played that because, you know, he likes to insert. And I had no idea what First of all, it was a little hard to hear. And second of all, I had no idea what the reference was. So I click my fancy talkback button so the radio listeners can't hear me, but Sean can hear me. And I go, what the heck is this? Like, please explain this to me. And so then we created this whole thing that, you know, I'm Gen Z, I haven't watched Monty Python, so that I have to add to my list.

You do actually. It should crack you up.

There was a point. That made me bring up The Big Valley. I know that you asked about masculine characters, but there was something I was saying before that.

No, I—

well, perhaps not. I wonder if the viewers get annoyed when we forget. Yeah, well, my apologies.

How could they not get annoyed?

I don't know, maybe they just love us so much they think it's endearing.

Excuse me. Oh, I see.

Yes.

Oh no, no, that's an interesting argument. It's a big question, actually. You know what, I'll tell you why it is. When you love somebody, even some obnoxious trait— I don't mean awful or evil or immoral, but obnoxious trait— can be endearing. Whereas if you don't like a person, the exact same—

oh, totally— is a I don't know though. I can think of some things, and I'm sure my parents would say the same about me. I can think of some things that my parents do that I— and I adore my parents, you know, I have an incredible relationship with them— but I get especially pissed off when they do certain things.

Well, since they watch every one of these, yeah, give an example.

I think— well, Dad, I'm sorry. His, his response to me would be, well, you need to load the dishwasher more. I think the way my dad loads the dishwasher is awful. And it just— and also when he's cleaning out— why can't I think of the name of—

you think the way your father loads them.

Yes. So here, glasses could break. So glasses could break.

I want your father to hear this. My wife so doesn't like when I do the dishes, she doesn't want me to do any of the dishes. So I have sort of benefited from the fact that That's my dishwashing annoys her.

Well, my, my—

I would wash, but in the very beginning I would wash dishes and then she would redo them.

Oh yeah. Oh, my mom does that all the time. My dad—

so why should the guy bother?

Well, my— what my mom does is she'll— what she'll take Dawn, she'll wash the dishes, and then she'll put them in the dishwasher. And my dad's like, what, what are you doing? So it's substantiates your point. My mom loses everything every single day. Can't find her keys, can't find her retainer, can't find her wallet, can't find her purse, can't find that sweater, can't find— not— I mean, so I adore them, but nevertheless, their habits annoy me.

Right. So how did we get onto this habits thing?

Oh yeah, you guys don't want to just hear about all my parents.

Oh no, I know how. Yes, is the fact that on occasion we forget where we were Is that endearing or annoying? And I voted for annoying.

I vote for annoying too. I mean, I, I revere Ben Shapiro. I think he is alongside you and just truly one of the most brilliant conservative commentators we have. But he annoys me sometimes. He speaks way too fast. I was listening to him in the car today and I'm like, can you just slow down a little?

Yeah, he does. He speaks too fast.

But as you say, people are packing.

Brilliant. But, oh yeah, packages.

People are packages.

Everything is a package. Your society is a package, your candidate is a package, your friend is a package, and you are a package.

I was using this argument recently because I was debating with someone about the Electoral College, and they were saying that there are all these problems with it because the smaller states get more, or get some, states are allocated a certain number of electoral votes, and even though bigger states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations, still the smaller states have more of a proportional weight than maybe they should. Have you heard this argument before?

Yeah, of course.

Right. So what I said to this person is, look, the Electoral College isn't perfect, but I actually think it was like James Madison who said this in Federalist 67 or 68. Dennis Prager said, if the Electoral College is not perfect, it's very good. And I said, this is the—

It beats the majority tyranny. This was a check on the majority's power.

Right. And by the way, I actually think it's a good thing that maybe proportionally the smaller states have a little bit, teensy tiny bit more weight because already the big states are going to— that's where a lot of the money is. That's where obviously most of the population is, where the culture and the media. Anyway, what I said to this person, and I think I'm going to use this line again, I said, look, the Constitution is the contract that we all designed, or excuse me, that we all signed to become a union. There were all of these competing plans, the Virginia Plan, the New Jersey Plan, remember those compromises that were made? This is the package that we got. It is not perfect, but it's what we all entered into. In order to unify so many different people and states.

And if you wanna make it perfect, remember the motto, the perfect is the enemy of the better.

Yes, well, this segues nicely into something, I don't know if we have enough time, but it's worth quickly bringing up, that we were discussing on the phone, and I wanna share it with the listeners, is we should actually do a whole episode on Trump Derangement Syndrome. It really fascinates me. I was having a conversation, it was actually with the same person, about Trump, and he was saying that he voted for Joe Biden. And I said, are you happy with your vote? Are you happy with President Biden? And he said, it's not about being happy with President Biden. It's about the alternative that we could have had. And then he starts giving me a sermon about how the first thing that he looks for in a president is personal integrity. And I say to him, well, okay, I understand that. But if we're going to look into personal integrity, do you think President Biden is a man of integrity? Someone who plagiarized in law school, who repeatedly lies about issues as big as inflation or gas prices, or as small as growing up in the Puerto Rican community in Delaware, or, you know, a house fire that he had. And this person just could not recognize the good parts of Trump as a president. And it really, it was so interesting for me 'cause he was using the package argument, but in support of President Biden where I was using the package argument in support of President Trump. Anyway, I just, I don't, I really just don't understand people's lines of thinking when they somehow think we got a better package. We really should.

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Well, I certainly screwed that one up.

You know, you screw up very few things. And when you do, I'm not annoyed. I think it's endearing. Okay. I want to talk to you all about Lear Capital because one of the things that I've been doing is— and Dennis knows, I've been telling him on the phone— is I've been researching a lot more about issues pertaining to our economic volatility. And one of the things I read recently is that the US dollar has lost 97% of its value since 1913, whereas gold has gained 8,000% in the same period. So that's why I'm encouraging you to invest in gold and consider Lear Capital to add to your retirement, as all of us are looking for stable investments. Did you know that you can add physical gold and silver to your IRA or 401(k)? If you want to learn more, call Lear Capital today and ask about the Lear Advantage IRA. You can transfer or roll over your old 401(k) or IRA into a gold tax-free and penalty-free account. And to sweeten the deal, Lear is offering free shipping on every purchase and up to $15,000 in bonus silver to every qualified client. Call for details at 1-800-260-5075, and you can get a free precious metals investor's guide and work with the top-rated precious metals company on Consumer Affairs with a near-perfect rating on Trustpilot. Lear Capital is the gold standard in precious metals investing and has over $3 billion in trusted transactions with over 650,000 happy customers in the 25 years they've been in business. So again, call 1-800-260-5075 to get your free kit. See how gold has performed during periods of inflation, government debt, interest rate hikes, economic crashes, and even wars. And you will see that gold has been that financial bedrock asset in portfolios. And what I love most about Lear is that they're an American-owned company, proud to do business with Americans that share our conservative values. So write this number down and give them a call today, 1-800-260-5075. And if you don't want to call, you can go to their website, learcapital.com. That's spelled L-E-A-R, learcapital.com. Gold is a really good move during this time because people are not trusting money or paper assets.

So let me tell you, you're now working on your knowledge of economics, which means that within 6 months you will be capable of doing a whole show on it. That's how fast you learn and it's your mind. Here is one of the great— if I had 5 questions to ask God about economics, I have 5 about every— all right? If I had 2.

Just about economics.

I would ask a lot of other things. I agree, I agree. Babylon Bee interviewed me this week about my, my new book on Deuteronomy. And they said to me, so if you could ask God one question, what would it be? And of course, I gave my standard answer. Why did you invent the mosquito? That's my standard answer.

Is that really what you would ask him?

Well, let's hit that in a moment, because that's, that's huge. But I did want to make another point.

Sorry.

No, no, don't. Well, sorry is only because it's— it's— it's— what was I— what was I—

this is a genuine moment here. Now let's see if I was listening. You were— oh no. Oh God, this is really bad.

See, the problem is we get so taken over by the topic because this is so real.

And by the curiosity. When you said the ask God thing, my mind went—

Oh, so economics. So here it is. So the question is, were we wrong in getting off the gold standard?

Oh my gosh, I was just about to bring this up.

Go ahead.

Just about to bring it up. I think yes, it happened in 1971 under Nixon. Again, it shows I've really been doing my research specifically about gold, and I think it was one of the worst moves because now the Fed can just well, the Fed doesn't print money, but put money into the economy at will, and there's nothing that it's tied to anymore.

I can't imagine a good argument against being on a gold standard.

Why did Nixon do that?

Because it, it enabled him to print more money. Yeah, that's, that's what governments want to do. They want to print money. You know, and the people accept it, not knowing— the belief that you don't have to pay for bad mistakes seems to have taken over much of humanity. The belief that you really can get things for free.

Yes, it's a super important point. I had Steve Forbes on your show when I guest hosted for you. I think it was this summer. And he did a PragerU video on inflation, which, by the way, I encourage all of you to watch. It really helped me understand inflation. And I asked Mr. Forbes about the gold standard, and he said that that was the worst— one of the worst decisions, in his opinion, that we have made in the past 100 years. I have to agree with him. The only other— I mean, in the last 5 years, there are so many bad decisions where I'm going to take the last 5 years out of this conversation. I think taking us off the gold standard in 1971 was a really bad move. I also think JFK's decision to allow federal employees, federal employees to unionize was equally as bad.

That's right. How many people your age even know this? It, it was horrible. And it was again, pure political Because he wanted their vote and, and he got it.

Well, that's what we're seeing now.

Do you know what Reagan did with the, uh, with the, uh, what do they call them, the, um, the guys at the, the airports, the, not screeners, are they called screeners?

Security screeners?

No, no, no, no, the, the guys who monitor, the people who monitor the flights in the flight towers.

Flight controllers?

Yeah, controllers. Do you know that story?

No.

They went on strike and he fired them all.

Oh, wow.

All.

Wow. Well, what's interesting—

and by the way, that was risky because flight controllers are very important.

Yes, they certainly are.

But you're not going to play around with the American people.

What I find to be so fascinating is that in the summer of 2020, when there was this whole crusade against police, no one that I knew of on the left was talking about getting rid of police unions, which to me would seem like the most logical response to charges of police brutality because if you're a part of a union, it's way more difficult to fire someone than if you're not part of a union. But the reason why they didn't go after the police unions is because they knew if they would go after those, they'd have to go after the teachers unions as as well. They couldn't selectively hate one union and then support another. That's my theory.

Interesting.

Because the teachers unions are a disaster.

Oh, they're malicious. They're, they're worse than a disaster, right? They're actively destructive of children.

And we see now President Biden is just totally—

By the way, did you see this? Talking about actively destructive of children, an article in The Atlantic of, uh, that just came out. We have to bury the hatchet and no recriminations over mistakes made in the 2 years of COVID In other words, what?

Yes, mistakes. What mistakes?

Like locking kids down for 2 years. Don't start getting angry at teachers. Everybody makes well-intentioned mistakes.

This comes from the—

it was evil what they did. Evil. And, and it was done all over the world, not just in this country. Teachers hurt kids without giving a damn about them. They're hypochondriacs and, and they're, and they're woke. I am so angry at what they did. I'm so angry about what medicine did, not allowing people to visit their dying relatives because, uh, because of COVID In the name of health, the amount of evil that is done— I think that in the modern period, contemporary, not modern, more vile things have been done in the name of health than in any other name in free societies. And by the way, I said this years ago, my motto: health uber alles. You know what that means? So in Germany, the song in the Nazi era was Deutschland über alles, Germany above all. So I've dropped Deutschland and just made health über alles, health above all.

One of the most startling and disappointing things that I've seen in the past 2 years is the way that doctors who I growing up thought were the most morally upstanding people around us Alongside teachers too, but especially doctors because they, I always thought they have an especially high moral obligation to not cause harm. That has been so deeply upsetting. And I have to tell you, for a time I couldn't, I didn't really believe it. I didn't really believe that doctors were wreaking this much havoc. I thought, oh, maybe they just truly believe that the COVID vaccine is effective, or maybe they truly believe that lockdowns are warranted. No. It's been a real fall from grace for me. I have to tell you, I look around now in society and I'm just— I wonder who can I trust?

My heart breaks for your generation.

We— I have to tell you, I don't like—

I trusted every institution when I was young.

I don't trust anything.

And you're right. You're right not to.

Well, what scares me so much, and I talked to you about this on the phone the other day, is that people my age, like, remember, remember what you were about to say.

Okay, let's declare a pandemic amnesty. Just, uh, 2 days ago, Atlanta, The Atlantic: we need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID I wasn't in the dark about COVID in April 2020. I, I headlined, tweeted, and wrote a column and broadcast It's the greatest international mistake in human history. I said that it was vile, always being done to children. It was cruelty, sadism, not allowing people to be with dying relatives. I wasn't in the dark and I'm not a doctor.

Well, how about what came out a few days ago about the Department of Homeland Security working alongside Silicon Valley to shadowban and suppress, quote unquote, misinformation?

Oh, that's— well, that's—

that's so— so those people shouldn't be held accountable. They should get amnesty.

Exactly.

So you were saying that you don't—

I feel safer, yes.

Yes, because when you grew up, you trusted every institution, and I'm telling you that I don't trust any institution now, and it's been a real fall from grace, and it's been very sad for me. That being said, I am happy that I am at least aware of it. Even— I shouldn't say happy. I am thankful that I am at least aware of it, because what scares me even more is that So many people, including my own best friends, totally trust these institutions and don't know how thoroughly corrupt they are. And that's worse because at least, you know, I am very careful about who I choose as my doctor, for instance.

Well, it's not worse for them psychologically.

True, but it's worse for them in the long term. I would rather know than not know.

No, no, I couldn't agree with you more. It's like the old question, If you could be given an injection to be happy all the time and unaware of what is happening, would you take it? You wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take it. I don't know if your friends would, but that's the world they live in.

Well, I would. I mean, you're right. I wouldn't take it. But the problem is they may be happy in the short term, but then long term, when they take, you know, many doses of the COVID vaccine and God forbid something happens to their health, they're not going to be happy. So the thing that continues to just amaze me is how little people know about what's really going on in this country. For instance, I keep mentioning I was having a debate with this person about the Electoral College, same person I was having a debate with about Trump versus Biden. And I said to him, this is a 65-year-old corporate lawyer. He— I could tell that he was in some ways quite well-read, smart guy. And I said, because he was talking about integrity, and I said, well, do you think what the Clintons did in 2016 with the whole Russiagate scandal is morally upstanding? And I said, are you aware of the Steele dossier? No. He had no idea what the Steele dossier was. I said, are you aware of the special counsel John Durham investigation that has found that both James Comey and Robert Mueller lied about certain very important things about their sources of the dossier? Nope, had no idea. I say, do you know that Mark Zuckerberg gave $450 million to privatize election procedures, or that Twitter actively suppressed the Hunter Biden story and in fact removed the New York Post, the New York Post's account, because the New York Post was the first one to bring it up? Nope, no idea. Do you know that the Department of Homeland Security was collaborating with Silicon Valley to shadow ban things? No idea. I can go on and on and on.

One of my models.

And they laugh at me.

We know what they don't know.

They laugh. They laugh at me like I was on QAnon, whatever the hell QAnon is.

They laugh at you like Bill Maher laughed at me when I said the left says men menstruate. People can watch it on YouTube. It's gone viral. Millions of views. I was laughed at. Who says that, Dennis? You know what? It just happened. I had Juan Williams on. Dennis Prager, major liberal commentator. He's on Fox and he writes for The Hill. To his great credit, he came on the show and I said to him, well, I'm just curious, what do you think about having 6-year-olds in so many schools go to, what do you call it, the—

Drag queen story hours?

Drag queen story hour.

How did I know exactly what you were talking about? Yes, because I saw the look.

I have a blank on that, that terminology. Drag queen story hour and, and sexualizing children at the age of 5 and 6 and telling them that they're not boys and girls because they don't even use boys and girls in most schools anymore. And he, his answer was, I, I can't believe it's happening.

You know, you'll find this to be interesting. I have a suspicion that some, not my close friends, but some of my more peripheral friends have this false notion that I've been radicalized because they truly believe that the things that I just mentioned to you, which are 100% true, and by the way, shouldn't even be deemed right-wing beliefs because they're just facts, they think that those things are conspiracy theories. They look at me, they think that I have gone on to QAnon. Again, whatever the hell QAnon is, I still don't know. And I do a lot of conservative research, never met anyone who's been on QAnon, never heard of it before the left made a huge deal of it. They think that I go on these like crazy rabbit hole radical right-wing sites and come up with these conspiracy theories that are not totally fact and mainstream. I mean, do you— I know it seems obvious to say, but it just— I can't believe that this is our world. There are real, really bad things going on, and they think it's just made up.

That's why I told you these two stories.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, so I, again, I get the sense that a lot of them want to distance themselves from me because they think I'm nuts.

I think we'll end with this. I got a question from a young person on my fireside chat. For those who don't know, I do a fireside chat every week for PragerU. There are a lot of viewers around the world, mostly young people, and it's a half hour every week. We've done 262 of them, so that's a lot. You can really binge. Anyway, I got a question from some young person somewhere: how do I know what to trust? How do I know what's true? It's a very, very real question. So I like being under pressure because I do my best under pressure. Others are different, but I do.

I do too.

Really? That's interesting.

Because of all my swimming.

Oh, that's right. Makes sense. Well, I didn't swim. I mean, I could swim, but I'm not competitive Anyway, I came up with an interesting answer. I came up with a few answers. What do you think of this answer? I said, those who wish to censor others are usually lying. And I've never come up— I had never come up with that answer because it's a very good question. How do you know who's telling the truth? On any given— is it the left or the right? Well, if you are telling the truth, you are okay with those who differ with you speaking their minds.

And in fact, you want them to. That's right, because it exposes their lies.

Yes, if you—

what you're saying is really true, you want that.

This should be a giveaway to all young people. When they don't allow us on your campus, it's because they're lying to you.

I love that.

It's big.

I'm going to use that.

It's really big.

Well, of course it's good because you have to— it begs the question, why? Why are you censoring this person? Because how do you stand to benefit?

Right, exactly. And they're censoring, right, because they know we can expose what they say as, as lies.

Yep, great answer. You've got a lot of those. I've noticed that.

That's a good thing.

Yeah.

It's a blessing.

In the meantime, you can all email me at julie@julie-hartman.com and follow us on social media @DennisJuliePod. That's on Twitter and Instagram. And Dennis and Julie— I almost said Julie and Dennis Podcast. Whoa. I was getting over my skis there a little bit. A coup. A coup. Dennis and Julie Podcast. Maybe we'll change it to Julie and Dennis Podcast. On Facebook. And I'm so excited for next week. I love these.

I love them too. And then before then, I'll be in Denmark.

Yes. Speaking at the parliament. See, you say you're going to Denmark and you're modest. Say that you're speaking at the parliament. I'm all right today. Bye, everyone.

You're gonna find a way to cross and you're gonna get there.

And I'm on fire today.

Ain't no water here to calm or even put me out.